Ok, so this is going to be another one of those single purpose threads. It will document the construction of a Mars Pattern Warhound Devoted to Khorne. Yes, I will be hard coding some Khorne symbology onto the Warhound. I am hoping to be finished with this construction NLT the 25th of January. I have , in one day, gotten only this far. Wish me luck:

The toes are cut, but unassembled. The Feet pads are partially assembled. The Leg parts and connecting joints (read: PVC Pipe pieces) are cut assembled and trimmed (trimmed for the most part). The pelvis is assembled with some paneling left to be applied. This will be standing from the waste down wil at least 75% of all detail NLT Saturday night.



I did some of the chaos detail on of the upper leg pieces and decided that I needed to see if it was going to look good enough with paint on it. So I resigned myself to having to build another one to replace one of the two this model requires and set myself to learn some painting skills in my preferred Nurgle green and black:




Please, tell me what you think about the detail and paint. I am still learning the paint thing so go easy on me. I know it has issues but, IMHO, I think it looks pretty good.



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Since I have to redo that piece because I can't wait to see stuff with paint on it I may as well admit that I am just going to have to do a Nurgle Warhound or two (three?) to accompany the Nurgle Reaver. Jees, when am I gonna stop putting things on the list for me to do?

OoooO! I can't wait to see how this turns out! The Chaos pad looks very Chaosy! Very nice!

But what happened to the Khorne part? You need red and brass for Khorne! With a little (very little or it will overpower everything else) verdigris around the rivets and on the bottom of the brass parts. (for verdigris I have seen turquoise put to good use!)

Will follow this thread with great interest. Got a FW warhound to build - you're very brave scratch building it!

I think it is good, but the chaos symbols seem to perfect, If you look at the Fw one and in the IA seige of Vraks books, the titans are very warped

mxwllmdr wrote: I did some of the chaos detail on of the upper leg pieces and decided that I needed to see if it was going to look good enough with paint on it. So I resigned myself to having to build another one to replace one of the two this model requires and set myself to learn some painting skills in my preferred Nurgle green and black:

Since I have to redo that piece because I can't wait to see stuff with paint on it I may as well admit that I am just going to have to do a Nurgle Warhound or two (three?) to accompany the Nurgle Reaver. Jees, when am I gonna stop putting things on the list for me to do?

I have always wanted to quote myself, and I say that eveytime I quote myself...

RSJake wrote: verdigris around the rivets

Is that like where the brass has corroded and turned green?

Thanks, Monkeyh.


@Cappy, I haven't even started to weather and warp it. I have ideas. No plans as of yet, but ideas nonetheless.

Oh, OK. I think that looking at old cars would be a great inspiration for weathering. That's what I do

mxwllmdr wrote:
Is that like where the brass has corroded and turned green?

Yes! Exactly! Is it sad that I could remeber the word verdigris, but yesterday, for the life of me, I couldn't think of a synonym for it?!?! Like "corroded", or even "tarnished"! (witch I JUST now thought of!) Brain Fart!

S'okay, sometimes can't remeber my three son's names. At least which one is which, that is......

Milk of the Khorne flakes! LOL! Loving the stuff man!

Very, very sick at our house, Update tomorrow......


Thanks, Khaine. Didn't even notice that.....

Looing good, but aren't the icons on upside down?

Ok, so I realized I was really sick when Khaine pointed out the Khorne Icons were on upside down.



Could have PM'd that but, oh well, at least it got fixed. I know how that happened but am in awe that I didn't catch it earlier. Anyway, as I said over on the Lucius thread, not much done due to the raginf fevers and headaches but here is what I have to show for now. Hopefully tomorrow I will be able to stand these things up. Not holding breath for it though....




As for the yuck-i-fucation of the appearance I am looking at several techniques to simulate physical neglect and abuse on the exterior of this. I am gonna use plastic cement to "corrode" holes and worn away spots on the armor and my dremel with a diamond tip to edge out the sharpness on the chaos icons and emblems so the appear more closely to the real thing. I also am going to be adding in some bits and gubbins that I have left over from the battleforce and landraider, as well as the two sets of chaos vehicle sprues my buddy gave me.

Thats it for now. Check in tomorrow for ather update.

I'm a bad person .

Feet are looking great now!

There looking like a good pair of feet man!

You would have been a bad person for not saying anything. That's what I get, anyway, for crafting on heavy duty cold meds......

Allright, this guy is standing, not as much done as I want to have at this point but still it will do....




Good night for now....

mxwllmdr wrote:You would have been a bad person for not saying anything. That's what I get, anyway, for crafting on heavy duty cold meds......

No, no I'm still the bad guy/ ultramarine collector -ie good guy/ ork colleccter-bay guy/a.. wait now I'm confused!

Looks good man!

Thumbs up if you don't get confused reading it!

Looks Awesome man! It looks like it could walk away off the table! Really sweet!

Thanks, guys. Gonna finish the lower half tonight (hydraulics and last bit of detail on the pelvis).

Tomorrow start the Main hull.

Looking good, though I always feel the ankles look very thin for such a big machine. Not a crit towards you, just towards the warhound design in general.

No, I understand, and if these weren't for my purist friend who insists they be as absolutely as close to real as possible than I would be taking liberties. Had this discussion with The_Blackadder and I think we agree the overall design isn't technologically feasible.

Ok, so got some more to show you on this guy.





And, yes, they are magnetized.



Gotta finish the other leg tomorrow and then I can start the main hull.

@RSJake, is the codpiece showing the kind of "warped" appearance you meant? I have a good bt of that edging left to do on it and then the glue drops to add heavily corroded spots to basically the entire thing.


Man, this still needs a lot of clean up....... Back to the work bench......

Looking good, like the dremel work on the icon! And I agree titan design requires some very specific leaps in technology to be halfway feasible. And even then...

Yes, I love my diamond tips.....


And the side cutting drill bit, too. Saves me on XActo blades for large repetitive cuts and SOME very fine work......


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And as far as technological leaps, remember, unlimited power production solves all problems........ theoretically, anyway......

@Max: I think I was the one who wanted it warped
And, Yes, It looks much better!

Very clever, the magnets will make painting it much easier.

@Cappy, sorry, I didn't look back at the thread before I posted. Still have to do a bunch more of that kind of edging, though.

@tme, that was the idea.

Great work - the legs look really good now you've got the shin armour on.

Looking good man keep it up!

Thanks, Hazz.


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More photogs tonight. Question: I am trying to make this as close to actual as possible. I have already cut accuracy corners on the torso. I would like a group opine on whether or not this model should have an enterior that is viewable by removing the carapace. What do you think?

What the top bit like FW?

Yes, like the FW. A removeable carapace and detailed interior like the My Reaver titan.

YESS!!!

Very nice.

You are one crazy sob max

Ok, well, that decision was made for me. I failed to plan properly on the mount for the main hull to the bottom half and had to go with a sealed main hull. I will, however, be doing about eight more of these over the next six months for my APOC army so I will do them in the playset method.

Why am I crazy? Everybody always says I am a crazy SOB...

Vitruvian, DSteingass, my mother and wife..... what is going on here? Am I crazy? really? Well, I suppose it's better I know as early in life as possible......



Oh, and Thanks, Vitruvian. I appreciate you stopping by....

Love it, looks great!

mxwllmdr wrote:Vitruvian, DSteingass, my mother and wife..... what is going on here? Am I crazy? really? Well, I suppose it's better I know as early in life as possible......

Why am I crazy? Everybody always says I am a crazy SOB...

Lets see, answered by yourself here:

mxwllmdr wrote:I will, however, be doing about eight more of these over the next six months for my APOC army

Seriously, if you sold these you could make a ton of money.

Eight? You're mad man

Agreed, why on earth would you need eight warhounds? Even for apoc? haha

tme0003 wrote:Agreed, why on earth would you need eight warhounds? Even for apoc? haha

Because it's always been his dream to start a kennel for robotic dogs ever since he got a Tekno as a little kid. THAT'S why.

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA HAH HAAH HAA BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA....



Can you imagine facing three reavers and 6 Mars Pattern Warhounds backed up by 6 preds, 6 vindicators, 6 LR's, and 12 squads in their own Rhino all at once? Not to mention the four Deamon Princes with Lash and 18 Oblits?


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I think I will add 6 squads of Khorne Berserkers, 6 squads of Plague Marines and let's not FOrget Abbaddon.....

mxwllmdr wrote:

Can you imagine facing three reavers and 6 Mars Pattern Warhounds backed up by 6 preds, 6 vindicators, 6 LR's, and 12 squads in their own Rhino all at once? Not to mention the four Deamon Princes with Lash and 18 Oblits?
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I think I will add 6 squads of Khorne Berserkers, 6 squads of Plague Marines and let's not FOrget Abbaddon.....

Another thing to sub!

Yeah, seriously I think that after this build is done and the T-hawk is done, and the twin Lucius Pats are done that all my projects will be continuations of the atwin Reaver thread. easier to keep track of that way.....


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Little more to show for the night:





I am not currently fond of the proportions of the main hull on this one. Bear in mind that the angle of photo is odd in these shots. This is the first one I have done this close to actual size and it remains to be seen if it will turn out ok. I still have to out the main carapace and head on so we will see. What do you guys think? Be honest. I can take it... I think....

I agree with you on the carpace, It looks odd, I just am unsure as to why

Well, the carapace isn't no yet but I know what you mean the body of the main hull isn't quite what I think it should be...

It's missing the bit that goes over the head, for starters, which will change the front silhouette a bit. I think that and the weapon hardpoints will be necessary before we can see whether it's right or wrong. I don't see any glaring mistakes though, if that's reassuring you.

It is, thank you. Also, I think that the shape of the side of the "engine pods" is not right. I will look back at my reference. Tomorrow I will be fleshing out the rest of the Main hull and carapace so we will see.

mxwllmdr wrote:BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA HAH HAAH HAA BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA....



Can you imagine facing three reavers and 6 Mars Pattern Warhounds backed up by 6 preds, 6 vindicators, 6 LR's, and 12 squads in their own Rhino all at once? Not to mention the four Deamon Princes with Lash and 18 Oblits?


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I think I will add 6 squads of Khorne Berserkers, 6 squads of Plague Marines and let's not FOrget Abbaddon.....

Yer but what about papa smerf himself marnous clager! he would own all of your sweet sorry asses! (Then the good parmarks and leagions and then the imperioum) I should stop now!

The warhounds are looking good! keep it up!

Ok, so I did some looking at reference photos and decided that the overall length was too short and the shape of the side of the engine pods was wrong. This is what I have don to fix it:

Engine pods need reshaping on the side a little:


Finished fix:


needed to be elongated about an inch so I took off the front panel and added some supports:


And the reskinned them:


And reattached the front panel for a new overall length that I think hits the mark a little better:


I think that, now, when the carapace and trimming and head are all attached it will look much more correct than it was looking.

Thoughts?

This is really looking good.

Great work. From your last pics it's hard to tell, it looks right now, but once the head and weapons are on it looks like it may be a little over balanced - too front heavy, but it's hard to tell from that side shot as I cant see exactly where the feet are and I guess the head will be partially under the carapace (?) Still bl**dy brill though!

Lookign good, though I still feel the carapce will be needed to bring it all together

I agree, the carapace will tell all. As far as front heavy goes, have you ever seen the real thing:





Thats about as front heavy as you can get, right there my friend.......



Unless you are Dolly Parton.

The FW one's are actually pretty balanced front to back because the whole back end is a huge block of resin

Awesome looking start! Can't wait to see all 8 of them ligned up and ready to kill!

Dang! I missed a lot! The warping looks good! I wouldn't put too much glue to melt the plastic, you don't want it to look too Nurgly. But some yes.

The whole build is looking great!

Thanks, Jake, glad to have you back.....


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Oh, and my nurgle Reaver is gonna get it put on with a paint brush......

Lol, looking at the FW model like that... You're right on track!

I think so too, but still worried about the stance and stnading on its own, because it doesn't have the weight of the resin the FW does....

Base it?

Or if you can fill the legs/feet with sand somehow that should work.

Thinking so but I will leave it for later to decide....

i think the current build looks simply great... if you werent living over the big pond i would thow myself at you for haveing the oportunity to paint one... wow...^^

mxwllmdr wrote:Thinking so but I will leave it for later to decide....

Yeah it will be hard for you to try and guess at how unbalanced it is until it's built! Maybe you will get licky and it won't tip over at all

Fat chance of that. Have you ever tried to model a titan? They aren't balanced well as designed....



'Cept the Reavers.....


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Ok, so got the carapace cut and installed. Still needs some cleanup, but I think I made the right choice lengthening the main hull.







I still have lots of detail and weapons mounts to add, obviously but overall good progress, imo.....

When are you going to let me paint that Titan? I have some new stuff up on my gallery that you have to see so you can get an idea.

When are you gonna start a thread that covers all your painting? Start it in the P&M blog.......


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Worked a little more after last nights update.


Side trim:


Back power coupling detail:


Top grill and vents, the vents need some cleanup and evening out:





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Relax, Paintstuff, you will def get to paint at least one of my six Mars patterns......

I think I found where your tippyness problem is coming from but it may be too late in the modelling process to change it.

Take a look at the picture you posted here:



See how far the *hip joint* sits ahead of the lowest *knee joint*. That is moving the centre of mass of the model forward to just over top of the toes of the titan.

Here is a picture of what my Forgeworld titan's legs look like from a similar angle:


The *hip joint* sits much further back leaving it centered over the foot rather than in front of it.
Just something to think about.

Regardless, I personally think the details on your titan look better than the FW one, keep up the great work! Can;t wait to see the pile of them togeather!

Thanks, Frogg, but Mine isn't actually having a tipping problem. It MAY, once the head and weapons are on. But, I think that this thing will get a base anyway.....


As far as the detail goes, I am actually uupset with myself on one thing. On the last Mars pattern I built I put that deep well on the side of the hip on my model.



I didn't do that on this one for some reason. This one doesn't have a tipping problem, either. i think the weight difference is the key factor between mine and the resin FW's.


But, then again, there is much more detail on this one. I have learned a lot since then.....

It's looking great mxwllmdr! Keep it up! Can't wait for the weapons, I geuss they will be good to! Can't wait for update!

I like the way the legs are positioned...it looks like it is walking.

That is looking more fantastic every picture. Its so nice you agreed to sell it too me for $10!

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


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OK, so wanted to get these shots out quick for C&C....





Tell me what you think....
Still want to get the head on tonight.

Man you've been busy of late. It's looking fantastic and I believe elongating the carapace was the correct way to go. Can't wait to see the first one completed.

Whew, Me either.......


More shots coming soon.....

Brother that is looking awesome. Your plate seems fuller and fuller these days, when you get some time contact me.

HEY!!!!! BROTHER PAEN!!!!!!!!! GOOD AS HECK TO SEE YA AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELCOME ABOARD!!!!!!!!!!!



EVERYBODY, THIS IS BROTHER PAEN. BROTHER PAEN, MEET EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Brother Paen! I'm Everybody

Hey all, yes I'm one of the many followers/ fans of this fantastic fabricator. His work is awesome and inspiring.

Your work is just as good as anyhting I do. You just use a braoder range of materials, whereas I am limited to the Plasti-card and occaional lump of green stuff.....

You've been busy! That warhound is looking fantastic! (except, of course, for all of those gaudy chaos icons )

How do you get such smooth curves in your plasticard? All of those body panels look spectacular!

Keep up the great work!
Rawson

hey, watch it with the gaudy remarks......



I resemble them too much to not be offended....

mxwllmdr wrote:hey, watch it with the gaudy remarks......

I resemble them too much to not be offended....

Sorry, that's the loyalist in me speaking I actually am quite impressed by the chaos icons you've made: very detailed and well fitted to the corresponding body panel. Do you use a heat gun to bend your plasticard?

No, 98% luck, 2% Milk. Because I needed a drink......


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Finger craps from holding parts on until the glue cures dehydrate me......

mxwllmdr wrote:No, 98% luck, 2% Milk. Because I needed a drink......Finger craps from holding parts on until the glue cures dehydrate me......

So, glue one side really well, let dry, bend plasticard and glue other side really well, let dry? Do you have any problems with seams coming apart over time? What thickness of plasticard do you use?

The Reaver Carapace is two layers of .040 Styrene sheet. I bend them both into the general shape I need then glue them together and tape them into the final shape I need. Once the glue has cured I finish cutting the general shape into the specific shape using a template of the final shape made out of .020 plasti-card. Once the final form is drawn on the shape sheets I score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score and score until both layers are cut completely through, evenly.


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The I place the part in place and glue it down. The Warpuppie is different because it is only one layer of Plasti-card and has an only slightly pronouced bend across the body from side to side. Creative design on this piece keeps me from haveing to actually 'shape' the plasti-card. it is truly only 'bent'. Stand by for a diagram.


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This is just an example. The Reaver carapace is really big and the size complicates it. The Warpuppie is smalle and easier to handle. the t shaped image at #1 is my design. It shows how my bends do not overlap. in #2, which is more like the real thing the 'bends' overlap creating a rounded corner effect that would be very difficult to reproduce in flat sheet plastic.




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I am gonna be doing six of these starting next month so I will make it a point, as our good buddy Dave has pointed out, to take more WIP photos and provide explanations as I go. Also, Two or three more Reavers, for which I will do the same.

That was quite informative! Thanks for the effort!

Very impressive work MX.

Yeah, I get that particular question a lot. Sorry if it got boring.....

Looking great! I can't believe how fast you work! I'm jealous!

Oh, and Hi Brother Paen! Welcome!

Nice drawing, thanks. And : looking impressive, of course!

Thanks Khaine. Trying to finish this tonight.

mxwllmdr wrote:Yeah, I get that particular question a lot. Sorry if it got boring.....

I'm more worried about it being boring for you! Thanks for the answers!

If I was gonna get bored with this stuff I think I would have by now.

mxwllmdr wrote:If I was gonna get bored with this stuff I think I would have by now.

I imagine that you aren't bored of building titans just yet, but that's just a guess...

wow, is that a prophecy?


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Ok, big update time.....


Been very busy on this one.....


Here we go....

Finished the shin guards details:

Finished the head:

Finished the Carapace and carapace detail:

Finished the Weapons mounts and sponson arms:


Finished the Codpiece details:



Here is a good shot:



It will need a base when the weapons are added. It is standing on its own but only just. I really like the pose, however and will do this pose again. It is gonna look sweet.



Overall, very happy so far. All that remains is to build a Twin Turbo Laser Destructor and a Plasma Blastgun.


Yes, I know the Void shield Projectors are little wooden buttons. They were perfect to me and they look fantastic.


So what are your thoughts? Does anyone see anything that I missed? What could I add? What detail is needed that isn't on it?


For now, though, I gotta hit the hay. I have to build those weapons tomorrow and still get it delivered to my buddy as early as possible. He needs to get it into the mail so his son can have it on his Birthday. I will post photos of the weapons but, opefully soon, he will start posting painting wips in this forum. If not I will link to them. Goodnight Dakka.

read it wrong the first time...

Here is a good dog!

lol...


amazing work mate and if i may say so the best so far of yours i have witnessed.... that khorne warhound is looking very cool...i just lve your detail work....all those spikes and stars... simply wonderful... and thanks for that short tut...

cheers, vik

Yeah, doing a full tut on the next build. But it will be a mass build so there wil be plenty of oppurtunity for photos and commentary......

Man! That just looks amazing! Way to go! Can't wait to see the weapons!

Looking good. The torso looks a little long. not much, but a little. but hey chaos warmachine... Great job on the detailing.

Thanks, Galorn. I really appreciate it.


When you say Torso what precisely do you mean? The main hull from rear to front? (Which, incidentally is almost precfisely .35 inch longer than the FW Offering, so that I would understand) or the Lower body from waist to feet?


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@Jake, Yeah the weapons will be up in about two hours....

*drools a little* Could be the pics, but I don't see any exhausts?

This is looking great - can't wait to see it with weapons.

@Khaine, Can you show me where on the FW Model there is exhaust pipes? I don't think there are any.....


I put exhaust pipes on the speed build variant I built for Paintstuff's son's birthday. It looked sweet but i wanted this new design to be very FW accurate.....



How did I do in that Aspect?


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Inceidentally, I haven't spent half as much time on this mars pattern as I did on the speed build variant but I did it over a longer calender time and with with better and more detail. I am sorta proud of this bad boy.....

Lol, based my comment on you previous build..; Never mind me

As for being close to the original: Once painted, I doubt people will notice the difference till they pick it up... The only difference I can spot are the head and the carapce icons, but for dimensions it's pretty close. .35 inch difference, apparently

I wanted custom Icons on it. I think I could do the originals fairly well, but I wanted these special. And as far as .35 inch, well, let's just say I see much merit in the Blackadders pechant for accuracy. He is my mentor, afterall.

Looking good so far! you gonna paint that?

I am not going to paint it. it is for my friends son's birthday. The second birthday Warhound I have done. This guy is turning 26 and manages or owns a game shop in Washington state. I regret to state, as well, that this warhound is amongst the last few that will be done for friends. I am very happy it turned out as well as it has.....


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I do not regret to state that my design and temolates are what I consider to be perfected and officially announce the beginning of the end of free time at my workshop. In a few short weeks I will begin the Mass build of approx. 13 of these bad boys. I have a few gifts I want to give to friends and family so I am doubling up on what I want to build for myself. Ok, you guys are right. I am crazy......

Ooo! Where in Washington State? East side of state, I'm 3 hours away, West side, closer to 8 hours. But I have been meaning to get over that way anyway, I'll have to look him up!

Wow, That was fast!

@Jake, I will find out where. I think it is in western Washington, but I am unsure. I have not met my friends son.

@Cappy, please remember that I have been refining the Mars and Lucius pattern Warhounds for several months. This is, overall, the 6th one I have built. I think the design is solid now....

That may be true, but still, Lightning fast. I couldn't even build a squad of guardsmen in the time you scratch built the warhound!

Yeah practice makes perfect alright!

I admire your dedication, after my warlord i couldnt face even attempting to build another! (Btw, dimensions are pending for that, dont worry )

Do you have templates for any of it? If so, any chance you could send em my way!

I don't have templates, I have copies of all the pieces that required designing. It would be a pain in the butt to make templates out of them...


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Maybe during my mass build tutorial some of them can come out.....

Nah dont sweat, just a passing inquiry....

Ok, minutes away from posting final pics with weapons.....

Tease

mxwllmdr wrote:I wanted custom Icons on it. I think I could do the originals fairly well, but I wanted these special. And as far as .35 inch, well, let's just say I see much merit in the Blackadders pechant for accuracy. He is my mentor, afterall.

And I admire you guys for it! I can scratchbuild, but I can't recreate stuff tot he exact standrds like you do.

So I got the Plasma Blast gun and Turbo Laser Destructor donehe sponson arms turned out fantastic, imho.

So final shots before it mails tomorrow morning to Centralia, Wa.:








I am happy with everything but the Plasma blast gun. I feel like it was not congruent to the rest of the overall feel. I think it could have been a little better, but it is my old design. The new one I had thought up for this model (and the stencil bag that will build the Legio Maximus) failed miserably. I will relook it later.....


Ok, hit me with all the negative stuff about it first. then tell me what you like best. Please include what you think I could improve......


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The very lucky birthday boy will (hopefully) post his paint WIP here so that we can continue to admire it. If he doesn't I will link to it for you guys.

mxwllmdr wrote:Thanks, Galorn. I really appreciate it.


When you say Torso what precisely do you mean? The main hull from rear to front? (Which, incidentally is almost precfisely .35 inch longer than the FW Offering, so that I would understand) or the Lower body from waist to feet?


@Jake, Yeah the weapons will be up in about two hours....

Rear to front.

The plasma blast gun is lacking vent holes on the muzzle end.

Good god man, its freaking beautiful.

I really, REALLY, just want to see at least one of your models fully painted. You've posted like what, a thunderhawk, 2-3 warhounds, and a reaver, and I have yet to see one painted!

I love it! If I had to make negatvie comments: the 'armpits' seem a bit bland, and the plasma blastgun could do with some more detailing (vetns, atrgeter on top), but that's just minor stuff. Oh, and both weapons could be chaos'ed up a tad. I love the model and it's pose a lot though, it realy looks alive, stalking it's prey.

Negatives:
1. Lack of vents on the plasma blast gun
2. Lack of umbilicals connecting the weapons to the body of the titan.
3. Lack of umbilicals connecting the head to the body.
4. The flatness of the coils on the blastgun.
5. Lack of an eye in the eye detail on the groin plate.

Positives:
1. The smoothness of the curves, its the first time I've seen a Mars pattern scratch build I didn't want to stomp.
2. Attention to detail is great, all of the distressing on the chaos components and the overall quality of the plasticard work is a credit to you.

All of the negatives are small things, easily solved, and would just add polish to what is already a stunning scratchbuild.

Sheep wrote:Negatives:
1. Lack of vents on the plasma blast gun
2. Lack of umbilicals connecting the weapons to the body of the titan.
3. Lack of umbilicals connecting the head to the body.
4. The flatness of the coils on the blastgun.
5. Lack of an eye in the eye detail on the groin plate.

Positives:
1. The smoothness of the curves, its the first time I've seen a Mars pattern scratch build I didn't want to stomp.
2. Attention to detail is great, all of the distressing on the chaos components and the overall quality of the plasticard work is a credit to you.

All of the negatives are small things, easily solved, and would just add polish to what is already a stunning scratchbuild.

What he said (emphasis on the last sentence)

Okay lets see:

-Imo the weapons are a bit too far forward, from what i can remember of my fw warhound, theres a fair bit of detailing that sticks out behind the arm connector.

-Not a fan of the retro capped plasma blatgun, but thats just preference.

-I feel the carapace sort of goes in on itself, ie instead of curving then being a flat plane it continues to curve back into the body (this is from a front on perspective)


Other than that its a bloody triumph, again!

Thank you guys for all the feedback. You are only helping to improve the mass build I will soon be undertaking...

Lemmee address the negatives first.


the 'armpits' seem a bit bland, and the plasma blastgun could do with some more detailing (vetns, atrgeter on top),

Yes, and yes. I was not aware 'armpits' was the proper word, but I like it and it is now an official descriptive word for that area. I had to go with an older design for this. I have a new design I am working on but it failed. I feel like this could have been better, as well. I am going to perfect the new design before I build this again. I personally think this is the hardest of the weapons to make. The curved front piece is a pain to do it plastic.

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The plasma blast gun is lacking vent holes on the muzzle end.

Doh! I think that was me being silly and forgetting poop.

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2. Lack of umbilicals connecting the weapons to the body of the titan.
3. Lack of umbilicals connecting the head to the body.


I don't like them. For the head or weapons. When I do EL wire on the plamsa blast gun all the power leads area gonna be in the sponson arm. It doesn't make sense to me to have these vulnerable bundles of cables hanging outside the armor of the warmachine.

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4. The flatness of the coils on the blastgun.

Hate it as well, gonna get some copper wire

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5. Lack of an eye in the eye detail on the groin plate.

This was premeditated. My green stuff skills suck, probably could have carved it out of styrene but as I understand it the young man getting this is a fantastic painter. I don't feel bad letting him handle this detail, especially seeing as he will probably do it better in paint than I could have in plastic.

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-Imo the weapons are a bit too far forward, from what I can remember of my fw warhound, theres a fair bit of detailing that sticks out behind the arm connector.

OK, may not change this though (except the armpit wall details - there are some cables and junction boxes I could have put in).

I intentionally positioned the sponson arms so that the angle of the arm itself, when rotated to aim the weapon, would move the back end of the weapon away from the walls of the armpit (look at column 1 below).
a=top view
b=side view
c=front view
d=arc of motion view



I think that the average build of the FW that I have seen usually cants the sponson arm out with the weapon oriented forward rather than forward with the weapon oriented forward as I have done. With the cant outward the back of the weapon would rotate towards the wall of the armpit (column 2) necesitating a further forward weapons position at the forward orientation. Am I making sense? Is the difference distracting from the overall aesthetic? Does it need a design change? I think this change would be too easy to do but without the ability to have multiple gimbal ball joints on the arm that are both stable and will stay put in the position I you place them in I can't see it yet. I need to go back over The_Blackadder's Lucy build and look at his gimbal joints again.

Also, I believe there is three or four times more distance between my gimbal joint balls on the sponson arms then there is on a FW. I could shorten that for a little bit of correction to this issue.

-Not a fan of the retro capped plasma blatgun, but thats just preference.

Me either, which is why I am trying to redesign how I build them.

-I feel the carapace sort of goes in on itself, ie instead of curving then being a flat plane it continues to curve back into the body (this is from a front on perspective)


If by this you mean that the back end of the carapace is thinner than it should be, Yes, I agree. The overall design is a little mishapen.

If by that you mean the curve of the carapace is not right as seen from the profile, that's because the actual shape of the FW Carapace has intersecting bends in the arc. I haven't figured out how to seemlessly do this and have it not look all fugly.


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As far as all the praise, thank you. Stay tuned, because I assure you it is only gonna get better from here.

Oh for christ's sake! I'm soo sorry, THIS is the thread(s). I have no idea how i missed this one. I was watching the OTHER twin titan thread, wondering why the hell you weren't showing pics! I am rather embarrassed. Sorry Max

I'm with the sheep - this is awesome!

This is epic work. Really inspiring me to work more with plasticard. Keep going!

Hey, Don't call Sheep a sheep....


He isn't just a lemming in a crowd ya know. he is a person. How rude.....


Thanx, Monkey.

Wat was this a commation? I thought this was for yourself!

MX doesn't do commissions generally, unless he's short on funds and needs to make some money to feed his habit.

I think he said this was for a friend of his who owns a game store.

Hey, sorry I have been absent. Today was bowling night for me and my oldest son. Yes, that is the fact. The more inportant aspect of a commission is that I have to find the idea intriguing enough or difficult enough to make it worth my while.

Looks like you got everything covered. Keep it up!

mxwllmdr - If you're building these for friends, if I list you as a friend on Dakka can I have one?

HAHAHA, that's not quite what it means, Monkey. But you can list me as friend anyway. It's always cool to have more and more people on that list.....


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Ok, all traffic on my projects is officially moved over to the twin reaver thread. I have got to get some organization to this fersluggin' thread nonsense......

Outstanding build buddy. It's really phenomenal how close to the actual model you were able to come. Can't wait to see the tut, especially if you do one for those reaver's of yours.

Thanks Tme, That tut is slotted to start around the first week of March on the twin reaver titan thread....