I ran into this picture again this week thought I'd share. From a bait and stand in Texas
If you've ever had one scratch at your door...well it makes you not want to go to work/school in the morning.
I grew up in rural Montana, encountering Mountain Lions and Bobcats isnt uncommon. They seem to like to stare at domestic cats through sliding glass doors too.
a bait feeder filled with corn or similar feed (you can see it in the background) is used in some states to bait deer. The stand is a blind in a tree or a metal frame a short distance away.
Joey wrote:I bet I could kill one in unarmed combat. They're much smaller than lions and tigers.
I have no doubt that were there a way to communicate to the cat that it was a fight to the death, you would not walk away. Otherwise unless you antagonized or stimulated it's pursuit instincts you are more likely to pet it than fight it.
There is plenty of evidence of loose big cats in England. Some people want to find them. Even reliable testimonies of some being purposefully released illegally after a change in the law some decades ago. Yet sights are very few and far between with no corpses recovered. where do they go?
Big cats can certainly survive in our climate, so its by no means implausible that some will survive.
What I find funny is that people expect Africans to live right next door to lions and not be concerned, let alone do anything about it Yet is words has it a Puma is on the loose in England the same idiots panic. Frankly I think we need to (re)introduce large bears and lions to the countryside to keep the rambler populations down and keep townie chavs out.
My former brother-in-law had one of those motion sensor cameras at his deer feeder in East Texas. Tons of pictures of wild hogs, deer, racoons, rabbits, coyotes, wild dogs, skunks, and birds. Never a freaking mountain lion, though.
...maybe we should work our way up.
Joey could fight a mainecoon first, then a lynx or bobcat, then a cougar, then a jaguar? Adequate training periods for each of course...like boxing.
Joey wrote:I bet I could kill one in unarmed combat. They're much smaller than lions and tigers.
If you can break an Elk's kneck with one punch the way a mountain lion can with a swipe of it's paw I'd say you might have a chance.
Otherwise I think you'd end up like these guys.
Joey wrote:I bet I could kill one in unarmed combat. They're much smaller than lions and tigers.
If you can break an Elk's kneck with one punch the way a mountain lion can with a swipe of it's paw I'd say you might have a chance.
Otherwise I think you'd end up like these guys.
Joey wrote:I bet I could kill one in unarmed combat. They're much smaller than lions and tigers.
If you can break an Elk's kneck with one punch the way a mountain lion can with a swipe of it's paw I'd say you might have a chance.
Otherwise I think you'd end up like these guys.
Joey wrote:I bet I could kill one in unarmed combat. They're much smaller than lions and tigers.
If you can break an Elk's kneck with one punch the way a mountain lion can with a swipe of it's paw I'd say you might have a chance. Otherwise I think you'd end up like these guys.
Joey wrote:I bet I could kill one in unarmed combat. They're much smaller than lions and tigers.
If you can break an Elk's kneck with one punch the way a mountain lion can with a swipe of it's paw I'd say you might have a chance.
Otherwise I think you'd end up like these guys.
Which reminds me of that damn stray cat I can't get rid of. Thing even stuck around through a dozen stink bombs set off around it while it was sleeping. -.-
Which reminds me of that damn stray cat I can't get rid of. Thing even stuck around through a dozen stink bombs set off around it while it was sleeping. -.-
Get some weiner dogs. They will deal with its insolence.
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n0t_u wrote:Maybe, it lives in the garage roof so it's already planned for that somewhat.
The wieners will tree it for you, but only if you give them treats.
(upon seeing Tbone "guard the pack" in an exercise)
"That dog is doing what he's supposed to be doing. He's how old? Wow, he deserves steak every day."
-Lee Mannix, after observing Tbone.
(upon seeing Rodney losing a fight with a lawn chair in the same exercise)
"That dog's the stupidest dog I've seen in a long, long time."
-Lee Mannix, after observing Rodney.
AustonT wrote:...maybe we should work our way up.
Joey could fight a mainecoon first, then a lynx or bobcat, then a cougar, then a jaguar? Adequate training periods for each of course...like boxing.
instead of fighting a maine [see forum posting rules], can you spare one feline being for me?
I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
AustonT wrote:I grew up in rural Montana, encountering Mountain Lions and Bobcats isnt uncommon. They seem to like to stare at domestic cats through sliding glass doors too.
AustonT, where at in Montana?
The domestic cat bit is true, but they also like pretty much any small looking creature (a.k.a., "prey"). Up in Kalispell, MT (where I grew up), they have a problem with a domestic deer population in the city, and that draws in an unfortunate number of mountain lions into town. Fish and Game usually darts them and removes them quickly, but it can be scary knowing that you can encounter one of those things even in the more urban areas of the state. There was a local news story about a mountain lion that had followed a deer into town, and was found in the backyard area of a daycare watching the kids through the window.
IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
AustonT wrote:I grew up in rural Montana, encountering Mountain Lions and Bobcats isnt uncommon. They seem to like to stare at domestic cats through sliding glass doors too.
AustonT, where at in Montana?
The domestic cat bit is true, but they also like pretty much any small looking creature (a.k.a., "prey"). Up in Kalispell, MT (where I grew up), they have a problem with a domestic deer population in the city, and that draws in an unfortunate number of mountain lions into town. Fish and Game usually darts them and removes them quickly, but it can be scary knowing that you can encounter one of those things even in the more urban areas of the state. There was a local news story about a mountain lion that had followed a deer into town, and was found in the backyard area of a daycare watching the kids through the window.
Gallatin Valley for most of my childhood, we lived in the outskirts of Bozeman until I was 12 then my Dad sold our house and moved to Four Corners. I also lived for two years in a Cabin in Lewis and Clark county.
Frazzled wrote:Team wienie would still tree it. Yes wiener dogs are that vicious.
I would own a a weiner dog is purebreeds didnt have back problems.
But to me i don't like hunting. I don't see in a worlds where we can survive without hunting(except in rare and acceptable cases.) why do it? Why gve in to some primal need to kill another living thing.
AustonT wrote:Gallatin Valley for most of my childhood, we lived in the outskirts of Bozeman until I was 12 then my Dad sold our house and moved to Four Corners. I also lived for two years in a Cabin in Lewis and Clark county.
Nice, I was actually born in Bozeman, and went to MSU there. Work has carried me to Helena, but the Gallatin Valley and Flathead Valley are, IMO, the most beautiful places to live in the entirety of Montana.
Back to your OP, Baiting is legal in Texas? I was under the general impression that it was pretty much illegal in most states.
IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
According to wikipedia they weigh 53 to 100 kg. Unless it's at the upper end of that scale, I'm going to have the weight advantage, and I will definitely have the height advantage.
It's unlikely that a cougar would attack a grown man unless it was starving, in which case it'd be much weaker anyway.
But yeah I'd say I have enough upper body strength to dominate and kill one.
IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
AustonT wrote:I grew up in rural Montana, encountering Mountain Lions and Bobcats isnt uncommon. They seem to like to stare at domestic cats through sliding glass doors too.
AustonT, where at in Montana?
The domestic cat bit is true, but they also like pretty much any small looking creature (a.k.a., "prey"). Up in Kalispell, MT (where I grew up), they have a problem with a domestic deer population in the city, and that draws in an unfortunate number of mountain lions into town. Fish and Game usually darts them and removes them quickly, but it can be scary knowing that you can encounter one of those things even in the more urban areas of the state. There was a local news story about a mountain lion that had followed a deer into town, and was found in the backyard area of a daycare watching the kids through the window.
Gallatin Valley for most of my childhood, we lived in the outskirts of Bozeman until I was 12 then my Dad sold our house and moved to Four Corners. I also lived for two years in a Cabin in Lewis and Clark county.
IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
AustonT wrote:I grew up in rural Montana, encountering Mountain Lions and Bobcats isnt uncommon. They seem to like to stare at domestic cats through sliding glass doors too.
AustonT, where at in Montana?
The domestic cat bit is true, but they also like pretty much any small looking creature (a.k.a., "prey"). Up in Kalispell, MT (where I grew up), they have a problem with a domestic deer population in the city, and that draws in an unfortunate number of mountain lions into town. Fish and Game usually darts them and removes them quickly, but it can be scary knowing that you can encounter one of those things even in the more urban areas of the state. There was a local news story about a mountain lion that had followed a deer into town, and was found in the backyard area of a daycare watching the kids through the window.
Thats because Montana has a shortage of wiener dogs. If you had (long hairs for Montana) your full complement, this wouldn't be an issue. Just saying.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Why gve in to some primal need to kill another living thing.
Because Deer and other game animals taste good??? I do not condone trophy hunting however - unless its an annoying animal like Racoons, Armadillo's or Opossum's on your back porch messing up things.
Frazzled wrote:Team wienie would still tree it. Yes wiener dogs are that vicious.
I would own a a weiner dog is purebreeds didnt have back problems.
But to me i don't like hunting. I don't see in a worlds where we can survive without hunting(except in rare and acceptable cases.) why do it? Why gve in to some primal need to kill another living thing.
Back problems are usually the result of being overweight.
As to the hunting side, thats a separate thread. We're talking internet tough guys taking out mountain lions on this thread.
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IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
According to wikipedia they weigh 53 to 100 kg. Unless it's at the upper end of that scale, I'm going to have the weight advantage, and I will definitely have the height advantage.
It's unlikely that a cougar would attack a grown man unless it was starving, in which case it'd be much weaker anyway.
But yeah I'd say I have enough upper body strength to dominate and kill one.
You're kidding right? Please tell me right.
-You know they can and do jump right - its their primary method of attack. They knock you down and crush your throat.
-If they don't do that they can play wolverine on your ass.
I'm not saying you couldn't fight one off if you were a manly man long enough to get away, but all this "i'll break his leg like a twig" and "I'll crush his spine" stuff is...misplaced.
Hard to break its leg when your guts are spilled all over your feet.
IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
According to wikipedia they weigh 53 to 100 kg. Unless it's at the upper end of that scale, I'm going to have the weight advantage, and I will definitely have the height advantage.
It's unlikely that a cougar would attack a grown man unless it was starving, in which case it'd be much weaker anyway.
But yeah I'd say I have enough upper body strength to dominate and kill one.
It however has the advantage of built in daggers and meat hooks. Where as all you have is a pair a soft, fragile club-like instruments attached to your arms.
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It will rip your flesh. That is literally all they are adapted to do. They are flesh rippers.
IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
Why would he be kidding? I once killed a bear with mind bullets... Then i sucker punched a hyena to death, just for lookin' at me funny...
True story....
IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
Why would he be kidding? I once killed a bear with mind bullets... Then i sucker punched a hyena to death, just for lookin' at me funny...
True story....
I once killed the Smog Monster with my atomic breath.
Frazzled wrote:
Back in the day in Cali when hiking I came upon one above me when hiking on a cliff trail. They are big mothers, and epic cool.
And just think, the ones in Cali are seriously TINY compared to their northern neighbors. Compared to California Cougars, the Oregon/Washington/Idaho, etc. cougars are a whole different breed in size.
Frazzled wrote:
Back in the day in Cali when hiking I came upon one above me when hiking on a cliff trail. They are big mothers, and epic cool.
And just think, the ones in Cali are seriously TINY compared to their northern neighbors. Compared to California Cougars, the Oregon/Washington/Idaho, etc. cougars are a whole different breed in size.
I did not know this. Just that it was big, and had "I'm so cool I'm almost bored" attitude as I passed under it.
Frazzled wrote:
I did not know this. Just that it was big, and had "I'm so cool I'm almost bored" attitude as I passed under it.
Yeah, I seem to recall reading numerous articles in newspapers and magazines about cyclists and whatnot getting mauled in California by "large" 90 pound mountain lions, and yet the ones in Oregon that make the news are typically in the 160-200 range... Apparently, if the NatGeo programs aired here in Germany are any indication, the cougars in B.C. just straight don't care and will feth you up to get it some food.
Frazzled wrote:
I did not know this. Just that it was big, and had "I'm so cool I'm almost bored" attitude as I passed under it.
Yeah, I seem to recall reading numerous articles in newspapers and magazines about cyclists and whatnot getting mauled in California by "large" 90 pound mountain lions, and yet the ones in Oregon that make the news are typically in the 160-200 range... Apparently, if the NatGeo programs aired here in Germany are any indication, the cougars in B.C. just straight don't care and will feth you up to get it some food.
This one was bigger than 90lb. I had an 80 lb pit bull, and this cat was considerably bigger.
IcyCool wrote:I hate to be that guy, but I have to ask, Joey is clearly kidding, right? Because if he isn't, someone should save him from himself before he tries fighting a wild killing machine the size of a Saint Bernard with his bare hands.
According to wikipedia they weigh 53 to 100 kg. Unless it's at the upper end of that scale, I'm going to have the weight advantage, and I will definitely have the height advantage.
It's unlikely that a cougar would attack a grown man unless it was starving, in which case it'd be much weaker anyway.
But yeah I'd say I have enough upper body strength to dominate and kill one.
It however has the advantage of built in daggers and meat hooks. Where as all you have is a pair a soft, fragile club-like instruments attached to your arms.
Compare:
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It will rip your flesh. That is literally all they are adapted to do. They are flesh rippers.
AustonT wrote:Gallatin Valley for most of my childhood, we lived in the outskirts of Bozeman until I was 12 then my Dad sold our house and moved to Four Corners. I also lived for two years in a Cabin in Lewis and Clark county.
Nice, I was actually born in Bozeman, and went to MSU there. Work has carried me to Helena, but the Gallatin Valley and Flathead Valley are, IMO, the most beautiful places to live in the entirety of Montana.
Back to your OP, Baiting is legal in Texas? I was under the general impression that it was pretty much illegal in most states.
Baiting is actually legal in MOST states. Montana is a rare exception wherein you MUST stalk the hunt, unless they changed or I misunderstood the FWP regulations tree stands are permitted in the off season for observation but must be down by the beginning of bow and blackpowder season.
@Lone Cat
actual attacks on humans are infrequent, it doesn't mean they don't happen. Cougars are basically just very large felines, and behave accordingly. They attack and kill smaller easy prey when available and larger more dangerous game out of desperation. Humans fall into the category of both dangerous and larger, so most encounters between cougars and humans are defensive: that's why they aren't all fatal.
@Frazz My sisters neighbor has a perfect example of a blond short hair in Great Falls. It's my understanding that to combat ferrets, ermine, and other burrowing pests that dachshunds were once very common in MT.
As to the hunting side, thats a separate thread. We're talking internet tough guys taking out mountain lions on this thread.
Oh, IF that the case. I once took on a chihuahua. Get between those things and their food and you will be begging for mercy.
Hell hath no annoyance like a pissed off chihuahhua.
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The cure for wiener dogs is steel toe boots.
You may get one or two I don't doubt. Its when you have to use a scientific calculator to keep up with the number of ankle biters coming at you full speed that you're in trouble. Its like being swarmed by piranhas if piranhas felt like playing with you and prolonging the agony. .
AustonT wrote:Baiting is actually legal in MOST states. Montana is a rare exception wherein you MUST stalk the hunt, unless they changed or I misunderstood the FWP regulations tree stands are permitted in the off season for observation but must be down by the beginning of bow and blackpowder season.
Huh, didn't know that. To be fair, I'm not a hunter, so I really wouldn't be in a position to know. I do know that baiting is still illegal here, a guy just north of Helena got cited for it recently.
Joey wrote:According to wikipedia they weigh 53 to 100 kg. Unless it's at the upper end of that scale, I'm going to have the weight advantage, and I will definitely have the height advantage.
It's unlikely that a cougar would attack a grown man unless it was starving, in which case it'd be much weaker anyway.
But yeah I'd say I have enough upper body strength to dominate and kill one.
As has been pointed out, they rarely attack humans. Of course, anything that doesn't die or run in the first moments of a mountain lion attack stands a good chance of driving it off. But that isn't what you are talking about. You aren't talking about surviving a mountain lion attack. You are talking about attacking and killing a mountain lion with your bare hands.
Your scenario involves you, naked, in an arena with the cat (where it presumably cannot escape). Even in this scenario, with a starving cat, your odds are incredibly poor. Your musculature (even if you are an exceptionally strong human being) is structured differently than that of the cat. Whereas it can focus most or all of its strength in very small areas (like your throat and vital arteries), you cannot. It does not have to outweigh you to out-muscle you. And as pointed out, it comes with built-in flesh rending equipment. Your weight and height will make no difference, as you won't be the one leaping onto your opponent and tearing their throat out with your teeth.
Also, it will be a great deal faster than you.
If you do not use what makes human beings dangerous, you stand little to no chance. If you do, then you aren't killing it with your bare hands.
Blackskullandy wrote:Why would he be kidding? I once killed a bear with mind bullets... Then i sucker punched a hyena to death, just for lookin' at me funny...
True story....
Ah yes, how silly of me to doubt such tales of manliness. I see now that any competent individual who looked up a brief description of the animal on wikipedia should be able to kill a mountain lion with their bare hands.
AustonT wrote:Baiting is actually legal in MOST states. Montana is a rare exception wherein you MUST stalk the hunt, unless they changed or I misunderstood the FWP regulations tree stands are permitted in the off season for observation but must be down by the beginning of bow and blackpowder season.
Huh, didn't know that. To be fair, I'm not a hunter, so I really wouldn't be in a position to know. I do know that baiting is still illegal here, a guy just north of Helena got cited for it recently.
I'm a lifelong hunter from Elk in Ennis, deer in Galitan and Cascade counties, and Antelope in the LandC and Cascade zones. My dream is still to win the draw for a Moose tag up next to Glacier. I've hunted most fo the southern states, many of which bait, and I especially loved my time in Georgia: open season on hogs on post all year...now I'm salivating.
Joey wrote:According to wikipedia they weigh 53 to 100 kg. Unless it's at the upper end of that scale, I'm going to have the weight advantage, and I will definitely have the height advantage.
It's unlikely that a cougar would attack a grown man unless it was starving, in which case it'd be much weaker anyway.
But yeah I'd say I have enough upper body strength to dominate and kill one.
As has been pointed out, they rarely attack humans. Of course, anything that doesn't die or run in the first moments of a mountain lion attack stands a good chance of driving it off. But that isn't what you are talking about. You aren't talking about surviving a mountain lion attack. You are talking about attacking and killing a mountain lion with your bare hands.
Your scenario involves you, naked, in an arena with the cat (where it presumably cannot escape). Even in this scenario, with a starving cat, your odds are incredibly poor. Your musculature (even if you are an exceptionally strong human being) is structured differently than that of the cat. Whereas it can focus most or all of its strength in very small areas (like your throat and vital arteries), you cannot. It does not have to outweigh you to out-muscle you. And as pointed out, it comes with built-in flesh rending equipment. Your weight and height will make no difference, as you won't be the one leaping onto your opponent and tearing their throat out with your teeth.
Also, it will be a great deal faster than you.
If you do not use what makes human beings dangerous, you stand little to no chance. If you do, then you aren't killing it with your bare hands.
Well I'm six foot tall, so you have something that's trying to jump six foot in the air, that weighs about the same that I do. You know what I have? Arms. I'm not exactly a body builder but if I put my weight into an elbow just as it leaded up at me, it'd be dead or stunned and easy to finish off.
And if it was a ground fight the fact that my arms are much longer and more agile than its legs would mean it wouldn't be able to do gak.
To be fair though I don't have the cardiovascular strength for a long drawn out fight, so it could ware me down.
I'm no expert but she seems about average. I've seen both smaller and much larger. It depends a lot on location. We are talking about a species that stretches from Canada to Mexico (granted there are several sub species) so a great deal of variation can be expected in color and size. Cougars aren't "Big Cats" in the sense that we refer to Lions and Tigers, they are more like your domestic house cat really like Ocelots, Lynx, and Bobcats (also all felines), rather than Panthers like Tigers, Leopards, Jaguars, and Lions
What i never got about that was, where do the damn things go? I get that it's a lot of ground to cover but someone must have tracked one to a den of some kind...
AustonT wrote:Isnt it true that a feral dachshund will take up residence in a badger den after killing the previous owner?
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That sounds remarkably like how we got ours. They were feral, took up residence and grow when we try to get them to go outside.
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Joey wrote:I assume that's an adolescent? They can't all be that small.
Thats a young one.
I still saw chihuahuas are fiercer and more scary.
Just look.
Although not as much and shi tzu. Those dogs where once used for the vicious nature and small stature to protect Chinese emperors by concealing them in their sleeves.
Lord Scythican wrote:Frazzled is not crazy. Hybrid Alien Weiner dogs exist. They are a bit elusive though...
He has surveillance on us boys! er, excellent...er thats a little blurry it could be er...giraffes yes giraffes.
(pushes the RED button under the desk).
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AustonT wrote:Isnt it true that a feral dachshund will take up residence in a badger den after killing the previous owner?
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He has surveillance on us boys! er, excellent...er thats a little blurry it could be er...giraffes yes giraffes.
(pushes the RED button under the desk).
I used my CSI skills and zoomed in on my photo. I enlarged by 500% and I think you may be right. They are definitely giraffes.
AustonT wrote:
@Lone Cat
actual attacks on humans are infrequent, it doesn't mean they don't happen. Cougars are basically just very large felines, and behave accordingly. They attack and kill smaller easy prey when available and larger more dangerous game out of desperation. Humans fall into the category of both dangerous and larger, so most encounters between cougars and humans are defensive: that's why they aren't all fatal.
so as long as human doesn't harrass them first, they will not attack human. right?
Have you ever been in Ukutula (Lion conservatory of Johannesburg, South Africa) before? if so, have you ever seen any 'cougars' there?
It's like Auston says, infrequent. Sometimes a cougar will attack a human without provocation and I like keeping my kids close by when we go into the mountains around here.
There are incidents here of cougars coming down from the hills and carting off someone's pets from their yard. The last I remember hearing about is of a German Shepard that got taken by a big son of a bitch of a cougar.
I was on a land nav course with a partner at Camp Williams in Utah when we ran into a cougar that looked about 7' from snout to the tip of it's tale. Both sides jumped through their own butts to get out of the others way.
Mountain Lions (Cougars) are readily hunted in most of the US where they appear. They are in the conservation category "Least Concern" and have been since the categories were established. Generally speaking the Felines are pretty stable populations, where the Panthers are endangered.
I've encountered numerous big cats both mountain lions and bobcats, and its mostly the bobcats I'm wary of; mean little bastards; I think the wife will make me buy her one though...sigh.
Relapse beware the Ft Knox Land Nav course (closed for training now?) Ran into an Emu there, the guys I was with just froze when I pointed out a man sized blue bird with red eyes picking its way through the sticks, another group ran from it...Apparently unlike big cats, big birds are vicious and determined.
Auston, that warning about bobcats reminds me of some neighbors of my sisters that had moved into the Maine woods from some city in southern New England.
They told her that they'd found a kitten in the woods and brought it home. The thing was mean, though, and they were barely able to put a collar on it.
When they showed it to her, she realized she was looking at a very young Bobcat.
The section of the land nav course on camp Williams we were on was littered with deer carcasses, so we figured there was a critter about.
How did an Emu end up on the Fort Knox course? A pet or farm animal that got out?
I have no idea, I asked another NCO from who was a drill there he says there's more than one and they've been there for years.
If I had to guess...
Back in the mid 90's they were talking up Ostriches and Emus to ranchers and land owners up in Montana as a good source of red meat, something like 500lbs per Ostrich if I remember the pitch. I would guess someone bought a few Emu nearby and they either escaped or were dumped there, that are onery creatures.
AustonT wrote:Back in the mid 90's they were talking up Ostriches and Emus to ranchers and land owners up in Montana as a good source of red meat, something like 500lbs per Ostrich if I remember the pitch.
I remember that. There were a ton of people in Louisiana and East Texas that bought in. I recall seeing a number of them running around in people's pastures for a while, there.
Relapse wrote:Auston, that warning about bobcats reminds me of some neighbors of my sisters that had moved into the Maine woods from some city in southern New England.
They told her that they'd found a kitten in the woods and brought it home. The thing was mean, though, and they were barely able to put a collar on it.
When they showed it to her, she realized she was looking at a very young Bobcat.
The section of the land nav course on camp Williams we were on was littered with deer carcasses, so we figured there was a critter about.
How did an Emu end up on the Fort Knox course? A pet or farm animal that got out?
did she mistook that wild animal as a mainecoon kitty ?
Joey wrote:
I'm not exactly a body builder but if I put my weight into an elbow just as it leaded up at me, it'd be dead or stunned and easy to finish off.
I'm not a body builder either, but I was a collegiate athlete, personal trainer, and have always been rather strong despite being only 5'9 and I imagine my elbow would buckle if pounced on by a cougar. That is, assuming the most likely point of contact (teeth) didn't result in my inability to use the arm.
Joey wrote:
And if it was a ground fight the fact that my arms are much longer and more agile than its legs would mean it wouldn't be able to do gak.
I guarantee you that isn't the case. Your arms and hands allow you to do a larger number of complicated tasks, but the cougar's legs will be capable of moving faster than yours.
As to the hunting side, thats a separate thread. We're talking internet tough guys taking out mountain lions on this thread.
Oh, IF that the case. I once took on a chihuahua. Get between those things and their food and you will be begging for mercy.
Hell hath no annoyance like a pissed off chihuahhua.
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The cure for wiener dogs is steel toe boots.
You may get one or two I don't doubt. Its when you have to use a scientific calculator to keep up with the number of ankle biters coming at you full speed that you're in trouble. Its like being swarmed by piranhas if piranhas felt like playing with you and prolonging the agony. .
AustonT wrote:Did you know mainecoons are the second most registered breed in the American cat fancy? I didn't...
I do now apparently The wife and I saw a picture of one a few weeks ago, and now we want a purebread male, I want a fething massive cat, with a spiked collar, and a gob over its mouth made of steel and bolts
That's basically how I arrived at my wife getting a bobcat, either that or a purebred mainecoon. If I have to be associated with an animal for two decades it better be a total badass.
AustonT wrote:Back in the mid 90's they were talking up Ostriches and Emus to ranchers and land owners up in Montana as a good source of red meat, something like 500lbs per Ostrich if I remember the pitch. I would guess someone bought a few Emu nearby and they either escaped or were dumped there, that are onery creatures.
They are very onery, but also quite delicious (the meat is red meat, and tastes slightly like beef).
AustonT wrote:That's basically how I arrived at my wife getting a bobcat, either that or a purebred mainecoon. If I have to be associated with an animal for two decades it better be a total badass.
I'd say get the Mainecoon. They are exceptionally smart, and can be trained pretty much like a dog. They love to hunt as well (ours would stalk and kill pretty much anything. My wife was particularly fond of the fact that ours would hunt spiders).
They are also significantly less likely to try and eat your face while you sleep.
He has surveillance on us boys! er, excellent...er thats a little blurry it could be er...giraffes yes giraffes.
