Okay so in this picture: Dorn is in the middle of the imperial fists army and looks to be brown haired and clean shaven. BUt then in this picture: he has white hair and a moustache. Which is the real Dorn? Are they both him at different times, or is one just a captain or whatever?
Also, I don't see a moustache in the second photo. I only see a highlight on his upper lip that appears to be where the light hits. It's clearly darker than the hair on his head.
Also.....why would it matter? As far as I know there aren't many official GW renditions of the Primarchs, only of the Emperor himself. As long as his image loosely fits the descriptions of what is considered cannon then any image could be said to be Dorn.
The man is the first picture is clearly a space marine, maybe even lysander? Probably not, but either way, not Dorn. Especially since he is the same height as the rest of the marines, and this is their post-heresy colour scheme. This is just 1st company.
EDIT: not first company, only the first row have white helmets.
It is an artist interpertation of Dorn. Dorn did not have white hair! He is not endorsed by GW so hence he is not Dorn. Imperial Fists are noted on having blonde hair.
TheAngrySquig wrote:No they arent? I have seen them with brown hair more often then blonde
Really? So that means the 3rd ed codex is wrong :(
Okay so they are burnett XD
But dorn does not have white hair. He is not an old man. Nor does he look herp da derping it.
TheAngrySquig wrote:So did he carry a thunder hammer or a storm bolter and gigantic chaainsword?
No he carried the sword of dorn and a storm bolter. IN his own modified powered armor.
But he also owned a spear and a hammer, the Soul Spear and the Fist of Dorn, so he probably used those too, depending on what he needed for a given situation.
TheAngrySquig wrote:Okay so in this picture: Dorn is in the middle of the imperial fists army and looks to be brown haired and clean shaven. BUt then in this picture: he has white hair and a moustache. Which is the real Dorn? Are they both him at different times, or is one just a captain or whatever?
The top one looks like he may just be a captain, as he is the same size as the veterans behind him.
TheAngrySquig wrote:So did he carry a thunder hammer or a storm bolter and gigantic chaainsword?
No he carried the sword of dorn and a storm bolter. IN his own modified powered armor.
But he also owned a spear and a hammer, the Soul Spear and the Fist of Dorn, so he probably used those too, depending on what he needed for a given situation.
He mostly commonly carries the sword of dorn and a storm bolter because they were flexible in boarding actions and sieges. Fist of Dorn was used as a linebreaker. Soul Spear as to beat down everyone to the freakin ground.
It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
TheAngrySquig wrote:Because we all know how good Dorn is in a boarding actions
plus they never found his body. He wasn't confirmed in being dead. All they found was his hand, and only one imperial fist came back but he bore a body that was not the same size of the Primarch it is rumored he was captured.
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TheAngrySquig wrote:Because we all know how good Dorn is in a boarding actions
Destroying a crusade on his own? Yes, he is quite good in boarding actions. Observant of you.
Going in to fight a black crusade alone? That would take some kind of tactical geniu- DOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRN
wasn't just him. It was him and a few terminators.
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
They are rare. Only heroes that prove themselves in combat can use one. Its just in the game people use them all the time. But in the fluff they are rarely seen.
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thats only painted as a Ultramarine the modle itself hasnt got any chapter defineing emblems and I assure you it has everything is the same.
The hammer is the same, chest emblem is the same, the shoulder pauldrons are the same, the pistols holster is the same, the scroll on his left leg is the same, Even the Head is similar only hes in a yelling stance.
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
They are rare. Only heroes that prove themselves in combat can use one. Its just in the game people use them all the time. But in the fluff they are rarely seen.
Rarely seen does not equal only one. The eldar are rarely seen, but there's more than one of them
TheAngrySquig wrote:And never mind, he took a few terminators with him, that's clearly enough to fight a full black crusade and live, I stand corrected #Sarcasm
It was only one ship dude.
Plus the Gamesday model was fanatastic I gave him a mk8 helmet Though sadly he broke off his stand he was going to get painted up.
And yes terminators in the fluff = op.
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TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
They are rare. Only heroes that prove themselves in combat can use one. Its just in the game people use them all the time. But in the fluff they are rarely seen.
Rarely seen does not equal only one. The eldar are rarely seen, but there's more than one of them
You have never read the space marine fluff have you?
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thats only painted as a Ultramarine the modle itself hasnt got any chapter defineing emblems and I assure you it has everything is the same.
The hammer is the same, chest emblem is the same, the shoulder pauldrons are the same, the pistols holster is the same, the scroll on his left leg is the same, Even the Head is similar only hes in a yelling stance.
The gigantic U on his shoulder is pretty clear chapter iconography, and have you ever heard of standard equipment? I'm sure that there are hundreds of thunder hammers that look like that, being from the same forge world or what ever
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TheAngrySquig wrote:And never mind, he took a few terminators with him, that's clearly enough to fight a full black crusade and live, I stand corrected #Sarcasm
It was only one ship dude.
Plus the Gamesday model was fanatastic I gave him a mk8 helmet Though sadly he broke off his stand he was going to get painted up.
And yes terminators in the fluff = op.
I'll consent to that, still think he should have waited for reinforcements rather than being an irational hot head, but whatever
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TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
They are rare. Only heroes that prove themselves in combat can use one. Its just in the game people use them all the time. But in the fluff they are rarely seen.
Rarely seen does not equal only one. The eldar are rarely seen, but there's more than one of them
You have never read the space marine fluff have you?
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thats only painted as a Ultramarine the modle itself hasnt got any chapter defineing emblems and I assure you it has everything is the same.
The hammer is the same, chest emblem is the same, the shoulder pauldrons are the same, the pistols holster is the same, the scroll on his left leg is the same, Even the Head is similar only hes in a yelling stance.
The gigantic U on his shoulder is pretty clear chapter iconography, and have you ever heard of standard equipment? I'm sure that there are hundreds of thunder hammers that look like that, being from the same forge world or what ever
thats not part of the model.... It has a thunderhammer. It was painted as an ultramarine. There were only so many of those models out there..... And thunderhammers in the fluff again. ARE RARE!
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TheAngrySquig wrote:And never mind, he took a few terminators with him, that's clearly enough to fight a full black crusade and live, I stand corrected #Sarcasm
It was only one ship dude.
Plus the Gamesday model was fanatastic I gave him a mk8 helmet Though sadly he broke off his stand he was going to get painted up.
And yes terminators in the fluff = op.
I'll consent to that, still think he should have waited for reinforcements rather than being an irational hot head, but whatever
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TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
They are rare. Only heroes that prove themselves in combat can use one. Its just in the game people use them all the time. But in the fluff they are rarely seen.
Rarely seen does not equal only one. The eldar are rarely seen, but there's more than one of them
You have never read the space marine fluff have you?
You've never read any of the 40k fluff have you ?
My point is proven Thunderhammers are not mass produced. They are only given to individuals who deserved the entitlement of the thunderhammer. The pictured Captain is based on the model produced on gamesday, and could be painted anyother color. SO FOR THIS PICTURE! It was painted as an imperial fist. Using similar traits and then add some imperial fist stuff and boom. And Space marines are not uncommon, They are rare. And Eldar are more common than space marines.
The gigantic U on his shoulder is pretty clear chapter iconography, and have you ever heard of standard equipment? I'm sure that there are hundreds of thunder hammers that look like that, being from the same forge world or what ever
The model dosent have one! I have the model on my desk right now there is no U on it!
Oh that's a model? Sorry I got confused, I though it was one custom thing, I get it now.
And Asherian Command- Thunder hammers are given to people who have proved themselves in some way, captains have proved themselves. It is not startling for a captain to have a thunder hammer in any way. And there are about a million space marines, the Eldar are no longer that size because they all got eaten in the Fall
TheAngrySquig wrote:Oh that's a model? Sorry I got confused, I though it was one custom thing, I get it now.
And Asherian Command- Thunder hammers are given to people who have proved themselves in some way, captains have proved themselves. It is not startling for a captain to have a thunder hammer in any way. And there are about a million space marines, the Eldar are no longer that size because they all got eaten in the Fall
There are still quite a few more than a million, squig.
Also, you don't seem to grasp how rare THs are. They are probably 1-3, maybe a bit more in some chapters, with some chapters probably not having any. Obviously there are exceptions like Salamanders where they happen to be a lot more common, but still.
Obsidian Raven wrote:wait, what about TH/SS termi squads?
Wait, good point, are those in fluff or just a game unit?
Game unit.
Even the most TH heavy chapters (Salamanders for example) would only ever put them all in one squad as a show of force. The same way you won't ACTUALLY see a BA company with 11 dreads in it.
TheAngrySquig wrote:Because we all know how good Dorn is in a boarding actions
plus they never found his body. He wasn't confirmed in being dead. All they found was his hand, and only one imperial fist came back but he bore a body that was not the same size of the Primarch it is rumored he was captured.
They found him.
He is oh so very dead.
As dead as a very dead thing.
Dead as a dodo dancing at a disco.
Dead.
Deeeeeeeaaaaaad.
Dead.
Very dead.
100% dead.
TheAngrySquig wrote:Because we all know how good Dorn is in a boarding actions
plus they never found his body. He wasn't confirmed in being dead. All they found was his hand, and only one imperial fist came back but he bore a body that was not the same size of the Primarch it is rumored he was captured.
They found him.
He is oh so very dead.
As dead as a very dead thing.
Dead as a dodo dancing at a disco.
Dead.
Deeeeeeeaaaaaad.
Dead.
Very dead.
100% dead.
lol NOPE.
One version has one of his hands being found and nothing else, the other has A body found.
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They found him.
He is oh so very dead.
As dead as a very dead thing.
Dead as a dodo dancing at a disco.
Dead.
Deeeeeeeaaaaaad.
Dead.
Very dead.
100% dead.
Asherian Command wrote:Dorn did not have white hair!
Actually, according to all of his appearances in the Horus Heresy novels, yes he did.
Asherian Command wrote:Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Source? Codex: Space Marines certainly says nothing of the sort, and the Space Hulk rulebook quite specifically states that whole Terminator squads are routinely armed with thunder hammers.
Asherian Command wrote:plus they never found his body. He wasn't confirmed in being dead. All they found was his hand, and only one imperial fist came back but he bore a body that was not the same size of the Primarch it is rumored he was captured.
Source? Index Astartes quite simply states that an Imperial counter-attack recovered the Primarch's remains.
Asherian Command wrote:Dorn did not have white hair!
Actually, according to all of his appearances in the Horus Heresy novels, yes he did.
Asherian Command wrote:Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Source? Codex: Space Marines certainly says nothing of the sort, and the Space Hulk rulebook quite specifically states that whole Terminator squads are routinely armed with thunder hammers.
Asherian Command wrote:plus they never found his body. He wasn't confirmed in being dead. All they found was his hand, and only one imperial fist came back but he bore a body that was not the same size of the Primarch it is rumored he was captured.
Source? Index Astartes quite simply states that an Imperial counter-attack recovered the Primarch's remains.
Hey English. Let me tell you something. I have the Same Index, It says a body that was thought to be Dorn's was recovered. there is still a possibility that Dorn is still alive.
Thunderhammers yes according to every book that has ever had a thunderhammer have always called them extremely rare. Space Marine which is offical canon even said that the Thunderhammer is a very rare artifact of the Space Marines.
Space Hulk rulebook quite specifically states that whole Terminator squads
Wow. You just shot yourself in the foot. Terminator Squads are extremely rare. It matters on the chapter especially. Ultramarines they used to be able to deploy an entire company of terminators before most of them were destroyed in Tyranic Wars (Read battle of macragge) Terminators are so rare. Its hilarious when you say that the Space Hulk Rulebook says entire squads of terminators can be equipped. Well no duh. Terminators are the elite of the chapter. Of course they would be given thunderhammers. But it is extremely rare to even have 5 entire squads of terminators with thunder hammers. Then let us not forget that Dorn has be described in almost every single haircolor. I've always pictured him with a blonde/whitish look. He is still blonde but it is mostly white hair.
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TheAngrySquig wrote:Because we all know how good Dorn is in a boarding actions
plus they never found his body. He wasn't confirmed in being dead. All they found was his hand, and only one imperial fist came back but he bore a body that was not the same size of the Primarch it is rumored he was captured.
They found him.
He is oh so very dead.
As dead as a very dead thing.
Dead as a dodo dancing at a disco.
Dead.
Deeeeeeeaaaaaad.
Dead.
Very dead.
100% dead.
lol NOPE.
One version has one of his hands being found and nothing else, the other has A body found.
Yeah I read that too. There is always a mystery with 40k Primarchs of course I am one of those people that say Corax committed suicide and Alpharius is still alive.
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TheAngrySquig wrote:Or 30 Death Company with them. I get that units like that are ridiculous, but I think a captain with one is far from unrealistic
Death company are again rare. They may be a game unit. And they may be able to take one. But that is ridiciliously expensive.
Of course a captain can dual-wield thunderhammers.
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
And if they are rare, how come my brothers Wolf Priest has a jump pack and two of them?
Asherian Command wrote:Dorn did not have white hair!
Actually, according to all of his appearances in the Horus Heresy novels, yes he did.
Asherian Command wrote:Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Source? Codex: Space Marines certainly says nothing of the sort, and the Space Hulk rulebook quite specifically states that whole Terminator squads are routinely armed with thunder hammers.
Asherian Command wrote:plus they never found his body. He wasn't confirmed in being dead. All they found was his hand, and only one imperial fist came back but he bore a body that was not the same size of the Primarch it is rumored he was captured.
Source? Index Astartes quite simply states that an Imperial counter-attack recovered the Primarch's remains.
Hey English. Let me tell you something. I have the Same Index, It says a body that was thought to be Dorn's was recovered. there is still a possibility that Dorn is still alive.
So you'll be able to tell me where you read "...bore a body that was not the size of a Primarch..." and "...it is rumoured he was captured." then. I'm waiting.
Asherian Command wrote:Thunderhammers yes according to every book that has ever had a thunderhammer have always called them extremely rare. Space Marine which is offical canon even said that the Thunderhammer is a very rare artifact of the Space Marines.
Firstly "rare" is relative; in a universe of billions of billions, Space Marines are rare. Secondly, are you seriously using a computer game (which is, by the way non-canonical according to THQ) as your only source? If "every book... called them extremely rare", then I'm sure you'll have no trouble citing a few. While you're at it, why not find a citation for "Thunderhammers are not mass produced. They are only given to individuals who deserved the entitlement of the thunderhammer.". Go on.
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EnglishAssassin wrote:Space Hulk rulebook quite specifically states that whole Terminator squads
Wow. You just shot yourself in the foot. Terminator Squads are extremely rare.
But conspicuously not so rare as "1 - 3 per chapter"; as I said, rarity is relative, and, unless you can substantiate your previous assertions from an unambiguously canonical source (which, I very much doubt you will be able to do), it is irrelevant to the discussion.
AsherianCommmand wrote:Then let us not forget that Dorn has be described in almost every single haircolor.
Then I'm sure you'll have no trouble citing some examples. I want to read about a ginger Rogal Dorn; I could do with a good laugh.
Asherian Command wrote: Well no duh. Terminators are the elite of the chapter. Of course they would be given thunderhammers. But it is extremely rare to even have 5 entire squads of terminators with thunder hammers.
Even then, in the fluff terminators almost always have Powerfist+stormbolter, because in the fluff that is probably the best loadout. A storm bolter can, potentially with optimum line of fire and highground, cut down most/ all of an infantry squad (IG) with a single mag.
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purplefood wrote:They found Dorn dead.
If they didn't find him then whose hands did they take?
He's dead.
I know he's dead. But it is believed by many (not me) that he is still alive. They say "Well Dorn's hand was discovered."
Herp da derp is all I can really say to English Assassin. I really don't want to pull out sources and research. I am way too busy to go through and cite sources.
Lets please move on from the discussion about whether or not he's dead, we can all have our opinions on it, but really this is the internet, how much will your opinion actually be changed here
Asherian Command wrote:I know he's dead. But it is believed by many (not me) that he is still alive. They say "Well Dorn's hand was discovered."
Smooth backtracking there. Well done.
Asherian Command wrote:Herp da derp is all I can really say to English Assassin. I really don't want to pull out sources and research. I am way too busy to go through and cite sources.
Oh, suddenly too busy to find sources for all the 'facts' you've so shrilly insisted upon; there's a surprise.
Now I've been very polite so far, but now I'm going to call you a pathetic little fantasist without even the good manners to admit it when you've been caught.
Asherian Command wrote:I know he's dead. But it is believed by many (not me) that he is still alive. They say "Well Dorn's hand was discovered."
Smooth backtracking there. Well done.
Asherian Command wrote:Herp da derp is all I can really say to English Assassin. I really don't want to pull out sources and research. I am way too busy to go through and cite sources.
Oh, suddenly too busy to find sources for all the 'facts' you've so shrilly insisted upon; there's a surprise.
Now I've been very polite so far, but now I'm going to call you a pathetic little fantasist without even the good manners to admit it when you've been caught.
I have a feeling you'd LOVE Asherians custom chapter!
This Is not about the discussion of my Chapter. He has already commented and suggested themes and such to ensure the chapter stays under a certain degree of mary sue. All comments on my chapter are to REMAIN on that thread and not this. Please enforce the rule of none off-topicness on specific forms and please answer the OP's question Please leave all comments and criticism on that thread. Not this. Thank you.
Asherian Command wrote: This Is not about the discussion of my Chapter. He has already commented and suggested themes and such to ensure the chapter stays under a certain degree of mary sue. All comments on my chapter are to REMAIN on that thread and not this. Please enforce the rule of none off-topicness on specific forms and please answer the OP's question Please leave all comments and criticism on that thread. Not this. Thank you.
Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:Sort of disturbing how vociferously people argue about the background of a made up setting
You'd be surprised what humans will argue about... I was thinking about making a graph but i got into an argument about whether it was pointless or not with my graph making department... needless to say they will never find the bodies.
Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.2
Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.5
Asherian Command wrote:
This Is not about the discussion of my Chapter. He has already commented and suggested themes and such to ensure the chapter stays under a certain degree of mary sue.
All comments on my chapter are to REMAIN on that thread and not this. Please enforce the rule of none off-topicness on specific forms and please answer the OP's question
Please leave all comments and criticism on that thread. Not this. Thank you.
Im confused, where was your chapter mentioned?
Anyway, In references i have seen (the collected visions art and Horus Heresy books), Dorn is white haired, and fairly badass. so i think that The second pic is him, and the first is random captain number 3
TheAngrySquig wrote:It's a captain in power armour with a thunder hammer, those aren't going to be uncommon in the IoM, so I dont think you can really say that it's based on that guy, especially seeing as they're from two completely seperate chapters
Thunderhammers are extremely rare what are you talking about?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
They are rare. Only heroes that prove themselves in combat can use one. Its just in the game people use them all the time. But in the fluff they are rarely seen.
Though to be fare, an artist would really draw what he wants, and since thunder hammers are so uber, there are lots of DRAWINGS of guys with thunderhammers, doesn't mean they are Dorn.
Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.2
Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.5
Straight of Lexicanum
Lexicanum is known to paraphrase the wording, with their blurbs usually showing minor interpretations of works.
The original source, fairly certain, says they recovered A body
Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.2
Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.5
Straight of Lexicanum
Lexicanum is known to paraphrase the wording, with their blurbs usually showing minor interpretations of works.
The original source, fairly certain, says they recovered A body
Oh yeah?! Well... I have no come back, you're right. Lexicanum isn't always right
Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.2
Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.5
Straight of Lexicanum
Lexicanum is known to paraphrase the wording, with their blurbs usually showing minor interpretations of works.
The original source, fairly certain, says they recovered A body
Oh yeah?! Well... I have no come back, you're right. Lexicanum isn't always right
The precise wording of the Index Astartes article is: "They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn.", which is pretty unambiguous. "A body not the size of a Primarch" and "rumours he was captured" are conspicuously absent.
Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.2
Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.5
Straight of Lexicanum
Lexicanum is known to paraphrase the wording, with their blurbs usually showing minor interpretations of works.
The original source, fairly certain, says they recovered A body
Oh yeah?! Well... I have no come back, you're right. Lexicanum isn't always right
The precise wording of the Index Astartes article is: "They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn.", which is pretty unambiguous. "A body not the size of a Primarch" and "rumours he was captured" are conspicuously absent.
I also recall reading a version where only one hand was found, and no body, so...
The best image of Dorn that I have seen is a black and white from the original Space Marine (old school epic) game. He looks like Eastwood. Darker hair and a few days scruff on the face.
Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.2
Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.5
Straight of Lexicanum
Lexicanum is known to paraphrase the wording, with their blurbs usually showing minor interpretations of works.
The original source, fairly certain, says they recovered A body
Oh yeah?! Well... I have no come back, you're right. Lexicanum isn't always right
The precise wording of the Index Astartes article is: "They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn.", which is pretty unambiguous. "A body not the size of a Primarch" and "rumours he was captured" are conspicuously absent.
I also recall reading a version where only one hand was found, and no body, so...
Well, "remains" is a pretty ambiguous term. I can't think of any other instances of the story, so I suspect that, since the Index Astartes article only went on to mention a hand being on display, people (including, quite possibly, other GW hacks) have assumed that only a hand was recovered. However, Ian Watson's Space Marine has the Primarch's body (minus hands) encased in amber, and his hands in two shrines. Unless somebody can find something to specifically contradict it, then, despite the novel's age, it remains canonical that the Imperial Fists have a complete Dorn skeleton, divided over three cabinets. Even if we disregard the novel, it remains, unless a source comes to light, only inference that his hand comprised the entirety of those "remains".
Unless, once the Heresy novels are done with, we get an 'Age of the Imperium' series, I doubt we'll ever get more specifics than we presently have.
Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.2
Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.5
Straight of Lexicanum
Lexicanum is known to paraphrase the wording, with their blurbs usually showing minor interpretations of works.
The original source, fairly certain, says they recovered A body
Oh yeah?! Well... I have no come back, you're right. Lexicanum isn't always right
The precise wording of the Index Astartes article is: "They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn.", which is pretty unambiguous. "A body not the size of a Primarch" and "rumours he was captured" are conspicuously absent.
I also recall reading a version where only one hand was found, and no body, so...
Well, "remains" is a pretty ambiguous term. I can't think of any other instances of the story, so I suspect that, since the Index Astartes article only went on to mention a hand being on display, people (including, quite possibly, other GW hacks) have assumed that only a hand was recovered. However, Ian Watson's Space Marine has the Primarch's body (minus hands) encased in amber, and his hands in two shrines. Unless somebody can find something to specifically contradict it, then, despite the novel's age, it remains canonical that the Imperial Fists have a complete Dorn skeleton, divided over three cabinets. Even if we disregard the novel, it remains, unless a source comes to light, only inference that his hand comprised the entirety of those "remains".
Unless, once the Heresy novels are done with, we get an 'Age of the Imperium' series, I doubt we'll ever get more specifics than we presently have.
Well the novel space marine is quite out of date, and not up to date with the rest of the universe (Space Marines controlling titans, space marines with lasgun and TZEENTCH WORSHIPPING SQUATS?!?!).
And it is speculation that the remains are more than just the hand.
Speculation can only go so far.
Hell people still say that Horus is still alive....
THIS GUY IS PRO SOPA...erm...
And lol you automatically associate any swearing with 4chan? That's...odd...and kinda...odd...
And no one says Horus is still alive. "Obliterated his mind, body and soul" is fairly clear.
Clearly you have no understanding that I said someone i know believes that. And I know that he is dead. Hell he is gone.
I am not pro sopa.
Dakka is not a democracy, you swear on the forums you will be reported. I am not kidding. It is the job of the poster to censor his post. Not the sites.
And yes 4chan is known for that. They swear all the time. (of course there are exceptions.)
You just like argue don't you? Of course then your going to respond as a troll etc.
pic 2 is Dorn BTW.
I just don't like his chubby face and off portion hand.
Speculation can only go so far.
Hell people still say that Horus is still alive....
THIS GUY IS PRO SOPA...erm...
And lol you automatically associate any swearing with 4chan? That's...odd...and kinda...odd...
And no one says Horus is still alive. "Obliterated his mind, body and soul" is fairly clear.
Clearly you have no understanding that I said someone i know believes that. And I know that he is dead. Hell he is gone.
I am not pro sopa.
Dakka is not a democracy, you swear on the forums you will be reported. I am not kidding. It is the job of the poster to censor his post. Not the sites.
And yes 4chan is known for that. They swear all the time. (of course there are exceptions.)
You just like argue don't you? Of course then your going to respond as a troll etc.
pic 2 is Dorn BTW.
I just don't like his chubby face and off portion hand.
Yes it is the job of the site. They maintain whatever imagine and standards they like, keep it classy whatever, and that is their prerogative. That is why they have language filters. But it is not just 4chan that features swearing. Swearing is a part of everyday life, and 99.999999999% of people with lives swear. Figure it out.
And putting etc. after listing a single thing makes no sense...
Quick hint: If you're going to ask somebody to erase an expletive so that it can't be seen by kids and whatnot, it's best to not include that expletive in your quote... which will then get quoted by someone else... then someone else... then by the original complainer again and so on. The original expletive has now been remedied but it hath verily multiplied, to greater assail those innocent eyes - oh the irony.
Haven't read 'Space Marine' yet but I'm hoping I might like it, since Watson's SM in the Inq War series is the only one I've ever come across that was even a quarter interesting as a character (and the older 40k novels were much more interesting).
Anyroad, re it's authoritativeness; hasn't it been declared Not-Canon by BL? I keep reading that but you know.... Might have a bearing upon whether Dorn is only merely dead or really most sincerely dead.
BTW: Second pic is great; nice to see a grizzled and gnarly SM rather than yet another Roger Ramjet clone. Wargear imposing and not ludicrous. And nothing unmanly about tea, "Aye! Put kettle on lad for a nice brew... put hairs on yer chest!"
Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.2
Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.5
Straight of Lexicanum
Lexicanum is known to paraphrase the wording, with their blurbs usually showing minor interpretations of works.
The original source, fairly certain, says they recovered A body
Oh yeah?! Well... I have no come back, you're right. Lexicanum isn't always right
The precise wording of the Index Astartes article is: "They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn.", which is pretty unambiguous. "A body not the size of a Primarch" and "rumours he was captured" are conspicuously absent.
I also recall reading a version where only one hand was found, and no body, so...
Well, "remains" is a pretty ambiguous term. I can't think of any other instances of the story, so I suspect that, since the Index Astartes article only went on to mention a hand being on display, people (including, quite possibly, other GW hacks) have assumed that only a hand was recovered. However, Ian Watson's Space Marine has the Primarch's body (minus hands) encased in amber, and his hands in two shrines. Unless somebody can find something to specifically contradict it, then, despite the novel's age, it remains canonical that the Imperial Fists have a complete Dorn skeleton, divided over three cabinets. Even if we disregard the novel, it remains, unless a source comes to light, only inference that his hand comprised the entirety of those "remains".
Unless, once the Heresy novels are done with, we get an 'Age of the Imperium' series, I doubt we'll ever get more specifics than we presently have.
Well the novel space marine is quite out of date, and not up to date with the rest of the universe (Space Marines controlling titans, space marines with lasgun and TZEENTCH WORSHIPPING SQUATS?!?!).
And it is speculation that the remains are more than just the hand.
Given that the Index Astartes article is quite unambiguous about Dorn being definitively dead, and the absence of surviving witnesses, I would be inclined to think we must assume that the "remains" were sufficient to undeniably confirm that Dorm was indeed dead, and thus presumably more than just a hand.
It doesn't really matter much either way, I brought the whole thing up solely for the sleep of pointing out that Asherian Command was making things up and claiming them to be canonical. As I said earlier, we'll only find out for sure if BL someday tell us the tale in full.
Speculation can only go so far.
Hell people still say that Horus is still alive....
THIS GUY IS PRO SOPA...erm...
And lol you automatically associate any swearing with 4chan? That's...odd...and kinda...odd...
And no one says Horus is still alive. "Obliterated his mind, body and soul" is fairly clear.
Clearly you have no understanding that I said someone i know believes that. And I know that he is dead. Hell he is gone.
I am not pro sopa.
Dakka is not a democracy, you swear on the forums you will be reported. I am not kidding. It is the job of the poster to censor his post. Not the sites.
And yes 4chan is known for that. They swear all the time. (of course there are exceptions.)
You just like argue don't you? Of course then your going to respond as a troll etc.
pic 2 is Dorn BTW.
I just don't like his chubby face and off portion hand.
Dorn is in the middle of the imperial fists army and looks to be brown haired and clean shaven. BUt then in this picture: 
he has white hair and a moustache. Which is the real Dorn? Are they both him at different times, or is one just a captain or whatever?
Thunder hammers are rare, and yet there is more than one of them and more than one captain that carries them.
