Diamond Jubilee week for a fantastic old lady this week.
Yes chaps, 60 glorious years!
Anyway, I want to get the Queen a present, but I'm not a sentimental man and I'm all out of ideas, I was going to go for a gift voucher for Marks and Spencer, but perhaps the denizens of dakka have a better idea.
So, what do you suggest for a wealthy old woman?
Remember her hobbies include horse racing, walking the Corgi's, big hats and waving.
Oh and If you want to come in here and make disparaging remarks don't bother or I shall be forced to send you anthrax spores in the email. Go over to Republic and talk gak about a very nice old lady with all of your other dirty communist friends.
A subscription to White Dwarf - it's the perfect gift for hobbyists of all ages, and is packed with full-colour pictures of all your favourite citadel miniatures.
Albatross wrote:A subscription to White Dwarf - it's the perfect gift for hobbyists of all ages, and is packed with full-colour pictures of all your favourite citadel miniatures.
Albatross wrote:A subscription to White Dwarf - it's the perfect gift for hobbyists of all ages, and is packed with full-colour pictures of all your favourite citadel miniatures.
Cheers Jervis. Excellent advice as always.
Does the Queen play IG? In that case, she might be interested in the new finely-detailed LoTR Citadel Miniatures. Or Dreadfleet.
Something hand made and useful. I have no real idea what but there's no point in buying her anything from a store. She's the damn Queen, she's either already got what you're getting her (probably much nicer too) or could just get it herself. No, something hand made. Maybe a set of doilies or a nice warm blanket. You can never have too many nice warm blankets, especially at her age.
Depends, what would I buy for the Queen, or what should you buy for the Queen?
I would get her a copy of the Declaration of Independence. Assuming you have more tact, I would get her something nicer, like maybe a sweater for her Corgi.
Another option is to give her an iPod with your speeches pre-loaded on it.
I'm pretty sure she's already read that mate, she's a distant relative of George Washington.
Ha! She just got even cooler. Honestly I'd like to think both our countries are over that little tiff. I mean come on, the English are still WAY more tolerable than the French.
The pressure group Republic, which campaigns for a democratic alternative to the monarchy, has announced a series of demonstrations timed to co-ordinate with the official Jubilee celebrations.
These include a protest on the afternoon of 3 June when a flotilla of up to a 1,000 boats, headed by the Queen and senior politicians, will travel along the Thames from Putney to Tower Bridge.
Republic spokesperson Graham Smith said: "The Pageant goes to the heart of what's wrong with the monarchy. It's an enforced celebration of hereditary power, and all the problems that spring from it."
Hey, were talking about presents for a nice old lady, not the population of Glasgow.
Didn't I tell you I wasn't interested in your sort in here anyway?! The threads not titled "whinge about the Royal family because your a bitter and twisted Scotsman"
Go on, go talk with your commie friends over at the Republic website and Ill not interrupt you when you want to start a thread about getting Fidel Castro a present.
Floks, I realize this is the OT, but she's a head of state and old. I feel we should show her lots of respect.
That said, get her a new colony! Barring that, get Cannerus a plane ticket over.
He'll I'm sure give her a night she'll not soon forget. And I bet he'll throw in a free,
Commemorative ball gag!
Castiel wrote:What would you buy for your Grandmother?
I dont like my Grandmother, she smells of wee and hit me with a stick as a child.
Think how Charlie feels, plus that old bat is probably going to outlive him...out of spite.
She's not an old bat, she's a nice old lady!
Plus, I hope she does outlive him, I'm less fond of Chuck than I am of his mother.
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alarmingrick wrote:Floks, I realize this is the OT, but she's a head of state and old. I feel we should show her lots of respect.
That said, get her a new colony! Barring that, get Cannerus a plane ticket over.
He'll I'm sure give her a night she'll not soon forget. And I bet he'll throw in a free,
Commemorative ball gag!
Hah, I'm not capable of single handedly securing a small country, so Cannerus will have to do. Your right though, im sure he would be happy to get fired into a pensioner.
alarmingrick wrote:Floks, I realize this is the OT, but she's a head of state and old. I feel we should show her lots of respect.
That said, get her a new colony! Barring that, get Cannerus a plane ticket over.
He'll I'm sure give her a night she'll not soon forget. And I bet he'll throw in a free,
Commemorative ball gag!
Hah, I'm not capable of single handedly securing a small country, so Cannerus will have to do. Your right though, im sure he would be happy to get fired into a pensioner.
Hey man, I saw that wildman, Brian Blessed thing you've got going. I think you're selling yourself short! Just shoot into the air and hollar alot! BB always had a look like he could take out half an army by himself....
You should get her a calender to remind her that it's the 21st century and most of humanity did away with government based on the will of God a long time ago.
Grakmar wrote:You should get her a calender to remind her that it's the 21st century and most of humanity did away with government based on the will of God a long time ago.
You realize there are more governments that depend upon religion than not, right?
How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
TheSecretSquig wrote:How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
I'd rather have her than the thieving power hungry politicians.
As for presents; I'd give her France. I know you said you couldn't take over a small country for her Matty, but France should be pretty easy. We could move all the French to the UK and then go live in France and find out what this "sunshine" thing is everyone has been talking about is...
George Spiggott wrote:I'd get her some Anthrax spores but I don't have any to give her.
Yawn, boring.
You as well? Didnt you read the first post? Your boring me. Go get in line with all the other thread bombers fantasising about murdering a pensioner and a head of state.
Ill tell you what, send me a PM when your grandmother dies and ill be sure to pop along to the funeral and piss on her grave. If im too late and she has already snuffed it, send me the address of the grave yard and ill go dig her up and spread eagle her skeleton across your car bonnet.
I'm sure you think i'm being rude now, well come on fairs fair. Its only an old lady who has never done me any harm and I've never met before either.
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TheSecretSquig wrote:How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
The Queen works 10 times the hours all of our politicans do. If you want to get pissed about thieving fethers I suggest you check out what your local MP has been up to.
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TheSecretSquig wrote:How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
I'd rather have her than the thieving power hungry politicians.
Thats my point, in all honesty im not a mega Royalist, Im a working class bloke not a sad bastard who follows the Royals around, but all the people in this thread need to read more newspapers if they think that the Queen is "robbing" us and not doing any work and our politicians are fantastic public servants.
If it was down to me id abolish parliament and let her make all the rules again!
TheSecretSquig wrote:How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
Yes... Because she's not effectively an ambassador or anything... Hasn't been navigating politics and foreign affairs longer than most of our top politicians have been alive and isn't better informed than the majority of them on such things. Oh, and she doesn't advise them, based on 60 years of doing all this stuff.
Oh, wait. She does. Value for money really.
As for the money, personally she's not particularly rich compared to sooooooooooo many other residents of the UK.
Also, she's dealt with everything bad thrown at her with grace and tact.
Back on topic... Apparently she likes her iPod a lot. Maybe a personalised case?
As an American, I am curious about this "giving gifts to political figures" thing. I for one voted for Obama, but I would never even entertain the thought of sending him some cheesy gift on his birthday. lol I don't even know when his B-day is. Is it common practice for the citizens of Great Britain to send gifts to the Queen on her B-day, or just something that your thinking about doing? Honestly, The politicians over here are so corrupt and untrustworthy, it's no wonder we don't have a tradition like this one.
sub-zero wrote:As an American, I am curious about this "giving gifts to political figures" thing. I for one voted for Obama, but I would never even entertain the thought of sending him some cheesy gift on his birthday. lol I don't even know when his B-day is. Is it common practice for the citizens of Great Britain to send gifts to the Queen on her B-day, or just something that your thinking about doing? Honestly, The politicians over here are so corrupt and untrustworthy, it's no wonder we don't have a tradition like this one.
Well, lets be honest, Im not actually going to send her a bloody present.
It was more of a light hearted "what would you buy a woman who has almost everything" not "Matty is going to spend his hard earned buying some cheesy gak for a stranger"
sub-zero wrote:As an American, I am curious about this "giving gifts to political figures" thing. I for one voted for Obama, but I would never even entertain the thought of sending him some cheesy gift on his birthday. lol I don't even know when his B-day is. Is it common practice for the citizens of Great Britain to send gifts to the Queen on her B-day, or just something that your thinking about doing? Honestly, The politicians over here are so corrupt and untrustworthy, it's no wonder we don't have a tradition like this one.
Well, lets be honest, Im not actually going to send her a bloody present.
It was more of a light hearted "what would you buy a woman who has almost everything" not "Matty is going to spend his hard earned buying some cheesy gak for a stranger"
HAHA Alright then, I wasn't sure if you were serious or not. I mean you guys do put mayonnaise on french fries. yuck!
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:Enough one way tickets for her and her family to go to some place that actually wants them.
I think someone's already suggested a trip to the Falklands.
Oh yeah they love her there.
And a large percentage of the British populace do, other than the bitter twisted minority that dont stop whinging about them, so lets have it right, she can just stay in fething London.
TheSecretSquig wrote:How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
Damn that witch and her brood, they cost every citizen 62 pence a year. Greedy old dodderer didn't even take a full pound.
TheSecretSquig wrote:How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
Damn that witch and her brood, they cost every citizen 62 pence a year. Greedy old dodderer didn't even take a full pound.
Yeah, Prince Harry served in Afghanistan, The Queen is at 370 engagements a year, Andrew flew in the Falklands, but lying slimy politicians who do feth all work and commit fraud and get the taxpayers to pay for their hookers are alright because they got elected.
The Royals are without ambition because they are born to serve and told so from an early age. They don't "aspire" to go any further up a ladder, there's no rungs to climb, they just live and serve.
Politicians crave power, they got to where they are thanks to ambition, lust for control and power and control are meat and mead to a politican, and they will do anything to achieve it.
I can understand people being indifferent to the Royals, or thinking they are old fashioned and somewhat pointless, but I genuinely don't understand where the utter total loathing comes from other than poorly thought out class warfare, envy, and utter ignorance.
TheSecretSquig wrote:How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
Damn that witch and her brood, they cost every citizen 62 pence a year. Greedy old dodderer didn't even take a full pound.
It's considerably more than that.
The 62 pence figure was based off of the £38M figure.
These figure exclude, for example, the cost of the security, royal visits and lost incomes from things such as the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwell.
When one factors these into the equation a figure around the £200M mark would appear to be closer to the truth.
Of course this may well still represent good value for money in one's own opinion.
Course that also pays for a lot of nurses/policemen/soldiers/ deserving group of your choice here.
mattyrm wrote: Diamond Jubilee week for a fantastic old lady this week.
Yes chaps, 60 glorious years!
Anyway, I want to get the Queen a present, but I'm not a sentimental man and I'm all out of ideas, I was going to go for a gift voucher for Marks and Spencer, but perhaps the denizens of dakka have a better idea.
TheSecretSquig wrote:How about an interview at the Job centre for her and all her family instead of 'stealing' money from the hard working taxpayer to pay for her to live the life of luxury.
Damn that witch and her brood, they cost every citizen 62 pence a year. Greedy old dodderer didn't even take a full pound.
It's considerably more than that.
The 62 pence figure was based off of the £38M figure.
These figure exclude, for example, the cost of the security, royal visits and lost incomes from things such as the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwell.
When one factors these into the equation a figure around the £200M mark would appear to be closer to the truth.
Of course this may well still represent good value for money in one's own opinion.
Course that also pays for a lot of nurses/policemen/soldiers/ deserving group of your choice here.
How sure are you? 200M may be just a coincidence but I saw a break down that compared the salary George negotiated against the return on the profits of the rent he offered in exchange. That particular guy called the royal salary 40M and the return on rent 200M. Which if your figure is right basically breaks even with the tax payer effectively paying nothing. Should the tax payers cease to pay the royals they would be well within their rights to stop voluntarily giving their profits to the state. Which would increase their income and probably their outlays too, According to that guy taxes would go up.
You could check how true it is, I have no idea.
http://blog.cgpgrey.com/the-true-cost-of-the-royal-family/
My uncle got the Queen a gift once, he bought her a vinyl record of "The Battle of New Orleans". He was drunk, it wasn't her birthday, and the FBI came knocking on his door about a week later to investigate possible terrorist activities.
My uncle has a lot of those stories, most of them involving the phrase "was drunk".
All boils down the Oil. Being in what would be Scottish Territorial waters, Scotland would be pretty well off.
Did someone say oil?
I think the question you have to ask yourself is, do you have a navy/airforce? If not (looks over at Battleships and carrier in Corpus Christi) have you ever desired the right to drink tequila and eat Tex Mex?
Those who count th cost of the Monarchy often ignore the Royal Estates, private land belonging to ther queen and royal family administered by the Government for which the government not the queen gets the proceeds. These estate takings greatly exheed the civic list payouts.
Its a bit like saying, "Here we will take all your earnings from your possessions, and in return give you a grant which doesn't cover the loss, for which you have to work, and as you are on a grant we can call are a scrounger, gottit."
Sorry. I fully recognize the raw crazy that is Australia, but frankly, the only natural hazards you have in Scotland are pub guys, and "damp." No killer snakes, jackalopes, scoprions, or angry buss boys (sounds almost...boring ). A couple of thousand bottles of tequila should do the trick, and while they're puking (which we all know is what happens when tequila gets involved, yes there will be puking) we'll hire immigrant day laborers to take over for us (because that would be like, work).
Haggis and nice mole sauce anyone?
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halonachos wrote:My uncle got the Queen a gift once, he bought her a vinyl record of "The Battle of New Orleans". He was drunk, it wasn't her birthday, and the FBI came knocking on his door about a week later to investigate possible terrorist activities.
My uncle has a lot of those stories, most of them involving the phrase "was drunk".
The rest of your post was all a bit too yellow triangle.
Am I the only one that finds statements like this supremely ironic when 99.9% of mattyrm's posts are in fact disparaging remarks full of reference to rape, killing "brown skins" and whatever other pithy things he can think to spout off about?
Yeah I know he is given a free pass for some reason by the mods who apparently have bought his whole "shoots from the hip/look what a cheeky Brit I am" shtick, but really, glass houses Mattyrm, glass houses...
You as well? Didnt you read the first post? Your boring me. Go get in line with all the other thread bombers fantasising about murdering a pensioner and a head of state.
Ill tell you what, send me a PM when your grandmother dies and ill be sure to pop along to the funeral and piss on her grave. If im too late and she has already snuffed it, send me the address of the grave yard and ill go dig her up and spread eagle her skeleton across your car bonnet.
I'm sure you think i'm being rude now, well come on fairs fair. Its only an old lady who has never done me any harm and I've never met before either.
I'm surprised you and your ilk aren't still dragging your knuckles. Seems evolution works on royalist monkies too
Should get with the times and see how royal families only hold nations back. All those doctors/nurses/scientists/cops we could fund. Maybe we could even get a decent army.
Now Diana...THERE was a royal we could have kept. She actually gave a feth about the ordinary people. She did all sorts of charity work. Well...until the royals got her murdered. Then the way they treated her after she died...it was shocking. (But totally expected).
If she was made queen...I'm sure the majority of anti-royal sentiment would have left.
Mr Hyena wrote:Now Diana...THERE was a royal we could have kept. She actually gave a feth about the ordinary people. She did all sorts of charity work. Well...until the royals got her murdered. Then the way they treated her after she died...it was shocking. (But totally expected).
If she was made queen...I'm sure the majority of anti-royal sentiment would have left.
Are you really saying that the Royals do no charity work? That the rest of the Royals didn't care about the ordinary people. That is unbelievably ignorant.
Mr Hyena wrote:Now Diana...THERE was a royal we could have kept. She actually gave a feth about the ordinary people. She did all sorts of charity work. Well...until the royals got her murdered. Then the way they treated her after she died...it was shocking. (But totally expected).
If she was made queen...I'm sure the majority of anti-royal sentiment would have left.
Are you really saying that the Royals do no charity work? That the rest of the Royals didn't care about the ordinary people. That is unbelievably ignorant.
They didn't care even 5% of what Diana did. Ignorant? its fact.
Hell, I'd kick Al-Fayed in the balls for train fare and a sandwich.
Albatross wrote:Wow, this thread has certainly attracted the classier specimen of Dakkanaught, hasn't it?
Bravo. They should use threads like this as bait for OTHER forms of vermin.
Hey man, I was going to originally suggest him getting you sauced up and serenade the dear old soul.
Now doesn't that lump you in with the rest of the specimens mister high and upitty?!?!
How can you get reliable qualitative data on a dead person's motivations from the internet?
Has the singularity happened and I missed it?
Nah, you can see it on the videos of her visiting various kids, africa etc.
Compare it to the ones with the queen and big ears...and well...they look like they are gonna get a heart attack because of all those 'peasants' around them
Albatross wrote:Uh, leaving aside the complete lack of evidence for a second, what possible reason could the Royal Family have for 'murdering' Diana Spencer?
From an outside point of view, it sounds crazy to me. But never underestimate the ability of the people to love a conspiracy.
The Parisian ambulance drivers were on a public holiday that day, of which there are 260 in france. They were enjoying a platter of fine cheeses in their seldom cleaned apartment with dodgy wiring.
Mr Hyena wrote:She was getting popular. She was the most liked royal of her time without a doubt. Look at her funeral.
Evidence? It doesn't take that long for an ambulance to come.
One has to ask though: Prince Philip is famous, notorious even, for saying whatever pops into his head, no matter how rude, no matter the situation. Some would say he is Lord of the Pensioners. I'm not getting the impression that this is a man who cares about "popular". Really I'm not. Why do you feel he would care? By the same token, his uncle, Mountbatten, was assassinated in a most unpleasant fashion himself. One might think that might put the old man off the concept just a little. His sister and her family died in an air crash. I know we aren't supposed to attribute feelings to "The Lizards", but one might even think that such an event might put the old boy off assassinating people by crash.
Also, what ARE the average first responder times for the Parisian Ambulance Service? How long should it take?
And bearing in mind the call wouldn't exactly have specified who it was, it was just a regular emergency services call regarding a car crash with no special treatment.
There is literally a galaxy of difference between behaving using recognised protocol being applied by a man who has spent the better part of his life following protocol (or a woman who has spent her whole life submerged in it), and having someone killed.
Besides which, if it were a popularity contest, do you not think that they would have flown the flag at half mast in order to curry favour with the public, who do not generally know royal protocol?
Oh, and Paris ambulances are generally on a 5 minute response time average. 15 minutes is poor, but not outside possibility. Ours is 8 minutes, and about 70% fail to manage that, especially at weekends.
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Mr Hyena wrote:Sod the protocol. When someone who was a hero for the people dies, you fly it at half mast. No ifs. Not buts.
And that sir, is the difference between a lifetime of living by a certain very strict rule-book with precedents and traditions going back centuries, and just being a peasant.
And that sir, is the difference between a lifetime of living by a certain very strict rule-book with precedents and traditions going back centuries, and just being a peasant.
Now you can refer back to my point of why royal families are outdated for the times. Refusal to acknowledge a heroes death is just wrong.
I think 'hero' is probably a bit strong. She can go home at the end of the day, the nurses in the AIDS wards she visited have to get up and do it all again tomorrow, for not much money.
Compared to an AIDs worker? your right. Compared to the rest of the royals? The word fits.
Part of the problem is the fact that its heredity rule. Snobs tend to be very aloof. I think if we can remove the royals and provide a more democratic replacement...they would be much more realistic. Currently its like a wax work museum...or a walking morgue.
This is what you aren't grasping. You live your life by a certain unwritten moral code, a set of rules a sto what you see as "wrong", or "right." You appear to have at least an idea of how you will react to certain events. Some things you "just do."
Now try and imagine that that rule-book was written for you a century ago. You have been raised to follow it. Some things are "done", and some things are "not".
The difference is that your rulebook can be dropped or re-written whenever you feel like it, and the only person held to it is you.
Your suggestion that the Royal Family could just cry "Sod the protocol" is akin to an officer in a Guards regiment saying "Sod orders, lets do what we like." Even more so given that both Philip and Elizabeth served in the military themselves.
This is what you aren't grasping. You live your life by a certain unwritten moral code, a set of rules a sto what you see as "wrong", or "right." You appear to have at least an idea of how you will react to certain events. Some things you "just do."
Now try and imagine that that rule-book was written for you a century ago. You have been raised to follow it. Some things are "done", and some things are "not".
The difference is that your rulebook can be dropped or re-written whenever you feel like it, and the only person held to it is you.
Your suggestion that the Royal Family could just cry "Sod the protocol" is akin to an officer in a Guards regiment saying "Sod orders, lets do what we like." Even more so given that both Philip and Elizabeth served in the military themselves.
I suppose so. We'll have to agree to disagree then. I tend to be more...progressive.
Her Brother-in-Law served with distinction in the Falklands. Her Father-in-Law saw active service in WWII.
Mr Hyena wrote:Compared to an AIDs worker? your right. Compared to the rest of the royals? The word fits.
Lets see shall we?
Naval service
After leaving Gordonstoun in 1939, Prince Philip joined the Royal Navy, graduating the next year from the Royal Naval College, Dartmouth, as the top cadet in his course.[18] He was commissioned as a midshipman in January 1940. Philip spent four months on the battleship HMS Ramillies, protecting convoys of the Australian Expeditionary Force in the Indian Ocean, followed by shorter postings on HM Ships Kent, Shropshire and in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). After the invasion of Greece by Italy in October 1940, he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant in the Mediterranean Fleet.[19] Amongst other engagements, he was involved in the Battle of Crete, was mentioned in despatches for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan where he controlled the battleship's searchlights.
Philip was also awarded the Greek War Cross of Valour.[18] Duties of lesser glory included stoking the boilers of the troop transport ship RMS Empress of Russia.[20]
Prince Philip was promoted to sub-lieutenant after a series of courses at Portsmouth in which he gained the top grade in four out of five sections.[21] In June 1942, he was appointed to the V and W class destroyer and flotilla leader, HMS Wallace, which was involved in convoy escort tasks on the east coast of Britain, as well as the allied invasion of Sicily.[22] Promotion to lieutenant followed on 16 July 1942. In October of the same year, at just 21 years of age, he became first lieutenant of HMS Wallace and one of the youngest first lieutenants in the Royal Navy. During the invasion of Sicily, in July 1943, as second in command of HMS Wallace, he saved his ship from a night bomber attack. He devised a plan to launch a raft with smoke floats that successfully distracted the bombers allowing the ship to slip away unnoticed.[22] In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp, where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla.[23][24] He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed. In January 1946, Philip returned to the United Kingdom on the Whelp, and was posted as an instructor at HMS Royal Arthur, the Petty Officers' School in Corsham, Wiltshire.[25]
Yes, you are right, clearly Philip did absolutely bugger all even vaguely heroic.
By comparison: Stood on a cancer ward? Even I've done that. Not heroic.. Carefully probed for mines in a pre-cleared section of mine-field? I'll wager there are posters on this thread (the OP perhaps) who have done it with real live ones, perhaps even under fire, not surrounded by the fawning press. Not to do her a disservice, but there is more than one definition of "heroic" and I suspect that even Diana would agree that the poor little sods with cancer/missing limbs/AIDs are a damn sight more heroic than she was.
This is what you aren't grasping. You live your life by a certain unwritten moral code, a set of rules a sto what you see as "wrong", or "right." You appear to have at least an idea of how you will react to certain events. Some things you "just do."
Now try and imagine that that rule-book was written for you a century ago. You have been raised to follow it. Some things are "done", and some things are "not".
The difference is that your rulebook can be dropped or re-written whenever you feel like it, and the only person held to it is you.
Your suggestion that the Royal Family could just cry "Sod the protocol" is akin to an officer in a Guards regiment saying "Sod orders, lets do what we like." Even more so given that both Philip and Elizabeth served in the military themselves.
I suppose so. We'll have to agree to disagree then. I tend to be more...progressive.
When your family have a history and tradition going back to the birth of the nation, then you will probably find that "progressive" is relative. In aristocratic circles, its progressive that you can post assertions of assassination at a member of the Royak Family and NOT end up on charges of treason. And that's pretty recent. Last 40 or 50 years or so. When one IS the establishment, one moves at a glacial speed. Its just the way it is.
Speaking of Guards, did you know that even though they don't move the rest of their visible body the Royal Guards usually wiggle their toes so they don't pass out? Skeletal muscle is the primary pump for veins so if they don't move any muscles then the blood going down to their legs and feet tends to stay there and their oxygen supply gets smaller and smaller until they pass out.
That being said you should get her a gaming PC and a copy of Skyrim, get her started on the Imperial quest line to conquer Skyrim and she'll be pleased as a peach.
halonachos wrote:Speaking of Guards, did you know that even though they don't move the rest of their visible body the Royal Guards usually wiggle their toes so they don't pass out? Skeletal muscle is the primary pump for veins so if they don't move any muscles then the blood going down to their legs and feet tends to stay there and their oxygen supply gets smaller and smaller until they pass out.
Wiggling toes and not locking your knees helped me.
halonachos wrote:Speaking of Guards, did you know that even though they don't move the rest of their visible body the Royal Guards usually wiggle their toes so they don't pass out? Skeletal muscle is the primary pump for veins so if they don't move any muscles then the blood going down to their legs and feet tends to stay there and their oxygen supply gets smaller and smaller until they pass out.
Wiggling toes and not locking your knees helped me.
Another fun fact, cats and humans share similar circulatory systems, one small difference is the presence of a saphenous artery in cats that's missing in humans and the order of the vertebral, thyrocervicall, and costocervical arteries.
halonachos wrote:Speaking of Guards, did you know that even though they don't move the rest of their visible body the Royal Guards usually wiggle their toes so they don't pass out? Skeletal muscle is the primary pump for veins so if they don't move any muscles then the blood going down to their legs and feet tends to stay there and their oxygen supply gets smaller and smaller until they pass out.
Sounds made up, I'm going to need some proof. Preferably with animation.
halonachos wrote:Speaking of Guards, did you know that even though they don't move the rest of their visible body the Royal Guards usually wiggle their toes so they don't pass out? Skeletal muscle is the primary pump for veins so if they don't move any muscles then the blood going down to their legs and feet tends to stay there and their oxygen supply gets smaller and smaller until they pass out.
Sounds made up, I'm going to need some proof. Preferably with animation.
You can actually go get a text book and read it, but since you demand a video of it and books are terrible when it comes to watching animations...
Get her something totally inappropriate. Like a subscription to playgirl or playboy.
Also 40k. When she starts complaining about prices then GW will get their at together.
halonachos wrote:Speaking of Guards, did you know that even though they don't move the rest of their visible body the Royal Guards usually wiggle their toes so they don't pass out? Skeletal muscle is the primary pump for veins so if they don't move any muscles then the blood going down to their legs and feet tends to stay there and their oxygen supply gets smaller and smaller until they pass out.
Sounds made up, I'm going to need some proof. Preferably with animation.
You can actually go get a text book and read it, but since you demand a video of it and books are terrible when it comes to watching animations...
Am I the only one that finds statements like this supremely ironic when 99.9% of mattyrm's posts are in fact disparaging remarks full of reference to rape, killing "brown skins" and whatever other pithy things he can think to spout off about?
Yeah I know he is given a free pass for some reason by the mods who apparently have bought his whole "shoots from the hip/look what a cheeky Brit I am" shtick, but really, glass houses Mattyrm, glass houses...
Eh? When have I ever made a pithy reference to raping someone? I might have mentioned that Joey said he was going to rape me a few posts back, but that was because I found it funny, I certainly haven't "lol'd" about people being raped.
Regards a free pass!? I get banned every single time I make a sweeping statement about the followers of Mohammed, which means Ive had about 14 bans and I think 3 that lasted over 5 days.
I thought you would have noticed mate. You know, considering you constantly badger me and are utterly unable to see humour in anything I write even if it is clearly ridiculously outlandish and not a statement of fact.
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halonachos wrote:Speaking of Guards, did you know that even though they don't move the rest of their visible body the Royal Guards usually wiggle their toes so they don't pass out? Skeletal muscle is the primary pump for veins so if they don't move any muscles then the blood going down to their legs and feet tends to stay there and their oxygen supply gets smaller and smaller until they pass out.
I have seen a few soldiers faint from standing still too long like.. sounds feasible, though I've not heard that myself.
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Mr Hyena wrote:Compared to an AIDs worker? your right. Compared to the rest of the royals? The word fits.
Lets see shall we?
Naval service
After leaving Gordonstoun in 1939, Prince Philip joined the Royal Navy, graduating the next year from the Royal Naval College, Dartmouth, as the top cadet in his course.[18] He was commissioned as a midshipman in January 1940. Philip spent four months on the battleship HMS Ramillies, protecting convoys of the Australian Expeditionary Force in the Indian Ocean, followed by shorter postings on HM Ships Kent, Shropshire and in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). After the invasion of Greece by Italy in October 1940, he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant in the Mediterranean Fleet.[19] Amongst other engagements, he was involved in the Battle of Crete, was mentioned in despatches for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan where he controlled the battleship's searchlights.
Philip was also awarded the Greek War Cross of Valour.[18] Duties of lesser glory included stoking the boilers of the troop transport ship RMS Empress of Russia.[20]
Prince Philip was promoted to sub-lieutenant after a series of courses at Portsmouth in which he gained the top grade in four out of five sections.[21] In June 1942, he was appointed to the V and W class destroyer and flotilla leader, HMS Wallace, which was involved in convoy escort tasks on the east coast of Britain, as well as the allied invasion of Sicily.[22] Promotion to lieutenant followed on 16 July 1942. In October of the same year, at just 21 years of age, he became first lieutenant of HMS Wallace and one of the youngest first lieutenants in the Royal Navy. During the invasion of Sicily, in July 1943, as second in command of HMS Wallace, he saved his ship from a night bomber attack. He devised a plan to launch a raft with smoke floats that successfully distracted the bombers allowing the ship to slip away unnoticed.[22] In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp, where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla.[23][24] He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed. In January 1946, Philip returned to the United Kingdom on the Whelp, and was posted as an instructor at HMS Royal Arthur, the Petty Officers' School in Corsham, Wiltshire.[25]
Yes, you are right, clearly Philip did absolutely bugger all even vaguely heroic.
By comparison: Stood on a cancer ward? Even I've done that. Not heroic.. Carefully probed for mines in a pre-cleared section of mine-field? I'll wager there are posters on this thread (the OP perhaps) who have done it with real live ones, perhaps even under fire, not surrounded by the fawning press. Not to do her a disservice, but there is more than one definition of "heroic" and I suspect that even Diana would agree that the poor little sods with cancer/missing limbs/AIDs are a damn sight more heroic than she was.
I think we had a big thread about that once upon a time.... define "heroic" for me.
It seems to be one of the most overused words ever, because I dont see how people who do the jobs they are paid to do are "heroic" personally.. you know, like firemen and cops and soldiers, and especially fething footballers who manage to win a trophy!
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It seems to be one of the most overused words ever, because I dont see how people who do the jobs they are paid to do are "heroic" personally.. you know, like firemen and cops and soldiers, and especially fething footballers who manage to win a trophy!
I have a feeling saying this to you will make you want to chainfist me but...
No one forced someone to be a fireman, soldier or a bobbie.
These men/women went into the job knowing they will be set on fire oe shot and and get less thanks then the guy who caught a football at superbowl.
mattyrm wrote:
It seems to be one of the most overused words ever, because I dont see how people who do the jobs they are paid to do are "heroic" personally.. you know, like firemen and cops and soldiers, and especially fething footballers who manage to win a trophy!
I have a feeling saying this to you will make you want to chainfist me but...
No one forced someone to be a fireman, soldier or a bobbie.
These men/women went into the job knowing they will be set on fire oe shot and and get less thanks then the guy who caught a football at superbowl.
Well yeah of course, Im not saying they arent more worthy of your praise than a football player, but what Im saying is I think that a "heroic" action is something that, I don't know.. is totally selfless. Like soldiers and firemen are paid to do that stuff, so Its not heroic, Its in your job description.
I suppose I would define heroism as something that is of great risk to yourself to help someone you didnt need to help. Like say, a bloke walking home from the shops who sees a woman in a burning building and he runs in and saves her at great risk to himself, just because he is a good guy.
At the same time I don't see how a fireman would be in that same situation, because that's what he is supposed to do!
A fireman who does it is a good fireman, if he refuses to do it, he wants sacking!
When your family have a history and tradition going back to the birth of the nation,
Which, oddly enough, the current Royal family doesn't have. Astonishing.
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Funnily enough calling other posters vermin and making cracks about their grandmother dying and your subsequent actions then, go pretty far over the line with regards to rule #1.
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and a Tilly to lean on.
). A couple of thousand bottles of tequila should do the trick, and while they're puking (which we all know is what happens when tequila gets involved, yes there will be puking) we'll hire immigrant day laborers to take over for us (because that would be like, work).
