What do you think is better i have played both of them and think there both awesome but i think that the fallout series is better than elder scrolls. i think that the post apocolipse and the brilliant urban fighting in fallout 3 was amazing. and not to mention the super epic V.A.T.S. but oblivion and skyrim were a nice game to play just go hunting and have more RP you can do. Im just asking what do think is better? like to hear your opinions.
Honestly? I like them all.
And yes, I have played both series (and by series I mean Interplay's Fallout and Bethesda's Fallout), and no, I am not going to hate Bethesda.
If anything, I am glad that they bought the series and stopped it from becoming forgotten. Sure they changed it, but at least they didn't remake the first games (thus making them obsolete), or drastically change the canon. Besides, they are a completely different company, so I would have expected there to be a change in gameplay.
I only played 1 Elder scrolls game, and that was Skyrim. Its pretty good.
It's hard to say which is "better" as they are subtly different.
Elder Scrolls are a bit more engaging from a RPG standpoint and full character customization (crafting, enchanting, leveling skills through use)
Fallout (3) is a really good FPRPS. It's not quite as in depth from a character standpoint as the Elder Scrolls, however it's a bit more in the shooter range.
I prefer TES myself, I never managed to get into F3, and i'm not interested enough by the setting of the Fallout games to try NV or the earlier installments.
You noticed that too? I personally love both series alot. Im not sure which one I like more as far as the 2 franchises go. Ive been a fan of Elder Scrolls longer then Fallout, but I was hit HARD by Fallout and they are just awesome awesome games. I think the originals are better then Fallout3 and New Vegas. Specially New Vegas. It had some pretty good improvements overall, but it honestly just felt like a rehash of 3. While TES games do seem to improve greatly with each new installment. I loved how immersive Morrowind was, I think Oblivion was graphically a huge improvement and the combat system was much much better. Skyrim, is fething Skyrim, Id say its as much an improvement over Oblivion as Oblivion was to Morrowind.
So Ill have to say chalk me in for both sides. I really wouldnt/couldnt chose 1 over the other. But I do wish they added some type of bullet time kills with bows, that way we have a cool cinematic for that like you get with the other weapons.
KingCracker wrote:Skyrim, is fething Skyrim, Id say its as much an improvement over Oblivion as Oblivion was to Morrowind.
I agree. The faces in Oblivion. . .blech.
Morrowind was amazing.
Oblivion was pretty, but too. . .normal. Or something.
Other than the faces.
My lady loves Morrowind and Skyrim (and FO3, NV,etc) but refused to play Oblivion "because everyone looks like they had their head stuffed into a plastic bag filled with petroleum jelly."
I disliked Fallout 3's weird sci-fi setting. Personally I prefer a more typical sci-fi setting than one which has throwbacks to retro science. That said I prefer sci-fi over fantasy most of the time, but TES definitely is better of these two series.
Melissia wrote:I disliked Fallout 3's weird sci-fi setting. Personally I prefer a more typical sci-fi setting than one which has throwbacks to retro science.
See I love weird 50's scifi and I love the post apocalyptic genre so fallout is a wet dream for me (more appropriately so was bioshock).
Yea I shied away because everytime I went into a gamestore all I heard was "DUDE!!!! BUY THIS GAME ITS THE SHIZZ!!!!!" I hate being told to like things, just grinds my gears
I enjoyed Fallout more. I liked role playing in Fallout more and everything else as well. The Universe, the music, the voice acting, the fighting, the sneaking, the character progression, the gameplay in general are all better in Fallout. Don't get me wrong, I really like The Eldar Scrolls, but they can not compete.
Bioshock is also up there with the greatest games ever made. It has much more of an action feel than rpg though.
Yeah bioshock isn't an RPG by any means and in many ways it would be odd if it was, the linear nature really emphasises the claustrophobic wonder of rapture.
I played and enjoyed Fallout3, New Vegas, Oblivion and Skyrim
that said I find that even though I clocked in a gak ton of hours in Oblivion and Skyrim, once I'm maxed out I dont play it anymore
I finished FO3 and FNV no problem and did several replays.
why? Because I actually cared about the folks in FO. The writing and the feel of FO just was so much better and relatable. Being a good guy or a bad guy MATTERED.
Oblivion and Skyrim, while fun, was just...bland. I didnt care beyond simple annoyance when characters die.
when I told my friend about this he suggested i try Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines and i was really glad I did (Playing it now in fact with the unofficial patches)
When it comes to atmosphere and characters this OLD game blows Oblivion and Skyrim off the water. So much so that I wish theyed do a sequel.
Fallout 2 closely followed by Fallout 1. New Vegas was good, would have been better with more NPCs.
Skyrim is the first Elder Scrolls I've actually enjoyed. But that could be to do with the fantastic graphics on my rig.
Damn shame Van Beuren(or whatever) got shelved, too. Would love to see another isometric Fallout game.
Both story and gameplay wise I'd say fallout by far. I can't remember the last time I actually cared about the story in an elder scrolls game. In fallout? I actually felt bad for telling super mutants where my vault was, and watch a cinematic that showed everyone getting killed and enslaved.
As for which, I loved 1,2, and NV. 1 and 2 are pretty much equal to me, with NV being a ways beneath both of them. NV is not a bad game, but it's not nearly as gripping or fun as 1 or 2.
I still have fond memories of that damn pipe rifle you get in the beginning of 2. When I found my first hunting rifle I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. There's also that high caliber rifle modded down into a pistol, believe it was in 1, def in 2. You could bring a world of hurt to someones door step with that gun.
Because it's fun? I say I like fallout a bit more - I started with Fallout, and Daggerfall from the respective series, and as much as I loved the freedom and openness of Daggerfall, the story and style of Fallout was so much more engrossing for me. And Fallout 2 was everything Fallout was but better; the pinnacle of either series. Now don't get me wrong, Skyrim is a great game, and had the potential to be better than any other game in either franchise, but the severe dumbing down of the character building elements meant that for me at least, it falls short of its full potential.
Necroshea wrote:Both story and gameplay wise I'd say fallout by far. I can't remember the last time I actually cared about the story in an elder scrolls game. In fallout? I actually felt bad for telling super mutants where my vault was, and watch a cinematic that showed everyone getting killed and enslaved.
As for which, I loved 1,2, and NV. 1 and 2 are pretty much equal to me, with NV being a ways beneath both of them. NV is not a bad game, but it's not nearly as gripping or fun as 1 or 2.
I still have fond memories of that damn pipe rifle you get in the beginning of 2. When I found my first hunting rifle I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. There's also that high caliber rifle modded down into a pistol, believe it was in 1, def in 2. You could bring a world of hurt to someones door step with that gun.
That gun was a lot better in fallout 1 though, you got it from that dude in the hub. It fired sniper rifle ammo, and it made a great BLAM sound while someones torso dissapeared.
It was called "The Gun" wasnt it? They had a toss back of it in NV I think, maybe 3 Im not sure I havnt played either in awhile. But yea, that thing was basically a must have in 1, you could just rape bandits with the thing, made me feel like the hero in a spaghetti western.
I loved the sniper aspect in NV though. I say NV because you actually could be a full on sneaky sniper type. Where as in 3, you could, but ammo was scarce and you mostly had to try and be a sniper with a hunting rifle. But yea, NV was just a blast in that regard, as sneaking and sniping is my all time fav character type to play in any game that allows it.
to be honest i didint really like fallout NV i dont like the cowboy theme i like fallout 3 better i prefer the urban fighting
i havent been bothered to play oblivion do you think i should start playing? the only problem i have about it is i dont like the magic things you can do. is it worth my time?
Yea Im not a big fan of the cowboy thing either, but hey, what can ya do right? I too preferred the urban setting in 3.
I can tell you, dont ask me on Oblivion. Why? Because I was in love with Morrowind, and from a story stand point, hated Oblivion. I liked how they did the combat in Oblivion, but the magic system was really bad as well. Its a decent game, and since you can buy it for so damn cheap, Id say why not. But dont be expecting something as awesome as Skyrim at all
well i actually have morrowind but theres no eye candy. I have heard that it has a brilliant story but its just again the magic. and the graphics arent too great.
Graphics are nothing more then a cherry on top of something for me. It won't make poo taste great. Where as proper game mechanics, story etc. can make the biggest turd shine like a diamond.
Graphics won't make a bad game good but they are vital to my immersion in an RPG, in a game I enjoy purely for the mechanics I can deal with minimal graphics.
Well the beauty part about Morrowind, is if you think the graphics are holding you back, you can simply download some addons that make it look pretty nice. Comparable to Oblivion anyways
#1) Morrowind - Great game, well-written story, and the world was absolutely amazing
#2) Fallout 3 - The storyline was a little lacking, but the world was perfect, and it was a ton of fun
#3) Skyrim - I haven't finished it yet, so it may go up or down, depending on how the main story goes (I'm level 74, completed Companions and College but still fairly early in the main story)
#4) New Vegas - It had a ton of improvements over 3 that I really loved. But, being set in the desert wasn't nearly as interesting as DC. And, Vegas itself was boring.
#5) Oblivion - Still a great game. But, they should have skipped the voice acting and just left everything as text. And, the Oblivion gates were just too annoying and repetitive. I ended up turning on noclip and flying to the end of each of them, not because it was too hard, but because it was too boring. They're the only time I've been actively bored during a Bethesda game.
Also, Cracker, you HAVE to try Bioshock. It's basically a giant mockery of Ayn Rand. Just, turn off the Vita-Chambers first thing. They make the game WAYYY too easy.
Also, Cracker, you HAVE to try Bioshock. It's basically a giant mockery of Ayn Rand. Just, turn off the Vita-Chambers first thing. They make the game WAYYY too easy.
I recommend anyone wanting to play Fallout 2 again to download the Fallout Restoration Project Mod. Not only does it fix all the bugs but it re-adds all the missing content that Interplay never got around to adding (Sulik’s village, EPA building etc).
Soladrin wrote:Btw, the pistol you were talkinga bout...
.223 Pistol is all it was called. fired .223 FMJ rounds.
God yes, how I loved that gun. Kill off the bandits that took over his house, he tells you about how his dad gave it to him or something (and that his dad was dead, no happy stories here), and watch as just about everything human sized drops to that thing. Such a beast.
I've played them both *extensively* on pc. I'd imagine on a console they're good games. But on pc, with heavy modification, they shine like nothing else I've ever experienced . And I've played a lot of pc games.
The mod scene for both games is utterly fabulous.
Fallout 3 and new Vegas are just utterly mind blowing games with heavy mods. Nothing like recruiting npcs with mods, tricking them out with space marine armor and bolters and watching the mayhem.
Oblivion with heavy mods was amazing. Full texture upgrades from the community, German Nehrim total conversion, some of the best gameplay I've ever discovered.
Haven't even bothered to mod Skyrim yet, as it's comparable to a heavily modded oblivion without the crashes that inevitably occur. Its a superb game.
I think I'd vote for the fallout series as my favorite and I vehemently disagree with those who suggest the game died with interplay. Quite the contrary, I think Bethesda revitalized the IP to unprecedented levels. They did an amazing job and fully retained the spirit of the original games.
They are both the final word in pcRPGs as far as I'm concerned. And ultimately the true value of all of these games for me is the non-linear sandbox style gameplay. You're just simply not going to find a pc game with non-linear gameplay like these games with the ultra immersive graphics, sound and lore. It doesn't exist.
Hell, I never even completed the main story in oblivion and I've played the game over and over, just enjoying the exploration and making my own gameplay. No other pc game I've ever found can provide me with that level of immersion that I've ever found.
Soladrin wrote:Btw, the pistol you were talkinga bout...
.223 Pistol is all it was called. fired .223 FMJ rounds.
That thing was Badass. And the sound it made...
corpsesarefun wrote:Graphics won't make a bad game good but they are vital to my immersion in an RPG, in a game I enjoy purely for the mechanics I can deal with minimal graphics.
TES is far less immersive than Fallout. The former is just an MMORPG without other players, Fallout has an actual world with your place in it.
Soladrin wrote:Btw, the pistol you were talkinga bout...
.223 Pistol is all it was called. fired .223 FMJ rounds.
That thing was Badass. And the sound it made...
corpsesarefun wrote:Graphics won't make a bad game good but they are vital to my immersion in an RPG, in a game I enjoy purely for the mechanics I can deal with minimal graphics.
TES is far less immersive than Fallout. The former is just an MMORPG without other players, Fallout has an actual world with your place in it.
I disagree, for me it was the other way around. I got WAY too into oblivion for my own good, but when it came to fallout it just didn't seem like the immersive world that Oblivion was.
Soladrin wrote:Btw, the pistol you were talkinga bout...
.223 Pistol is all it was called. fired .223 FMJ rounds.
That thing was Badass. And the sound it made...
corpsesarefun wrote:Graphics won't make a bad game good but they are vital to my immersion in an RPG, in a game I enjoy purely for the mechanics I can deal with minimal graphics.
TES is far less immersive than Fallout. The former is just an MMORPG without other players, Fallout has an actual world with your place in it.
I disagree, for me it was the other way around. I got WAY too into oblivion for my own good, but when it came to fallout it just didn't seem like the immersive world that Oblivion was.
You didn't find being able to do the arena at level 2 unimmersive, at all?
Or the fething constantly strange social interaction of the AI?
Yea thats how it was in Morrowind, and a reason why I loved it so much. You wanted to continue in the theives guild? Well you better get out there and start picking some damn locks and go for a sneak across the continent to get those skills up. It was fantastic.
You didn't find being able to do the arena at level 2 unimmersive, at all
Yea, agreed completely. I beat the main quest line, at lvl 10 I think. 10! I read somewhere the best/fastest it was done at lvl 7. Im sorry, but a Dremora, no matter HOW lowly it is, should completely own an adventurer at those lvls. I think the worst part of Oblivion was the scaling it did. Just ruined the damn game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Yea thats how it was in Morrowind, and a reason why I loved it so much. You wanted to continue in the theives guild? Well you better get out there and start picking some damn locks and go for a sneak across the continent to get those skills up. It was fantastic.
You didn't find being able to do the arena at level 2 unimmersive, at all
Yea, agreed completely. I beat the main quest line, at lvl 10 I think. 10! I read somewhere the best/fastest it was done at lvl 7. Im sorry, but a Dremora, no matter HOW lowly it is, should completely own an adventurer at those lvls. I think the worst part of Oblivion was the scaling it did. Just ruined the damn game. Im pretty sure if a bandit could afford all Ebony armor, he would of gotten out of the game years ago
Soladrin wrote:Btw, the pistol you were talkinga bout...
.223 Pistol is all it was called. fired .223 FMJ rounds.
That thing was Badass. And the sound it made...
corpsesarefun wrote:Graphics won't make a bad game good but they are vital to my immersion in an RPG, in a game I enjoy purely for the mechanics I can deal with minimal graphics.
TES is far less immersive than Fallout. The former is just an MMORPG without other players, Fallout has an actual world with your place in it.
Fantasy world =/= MMORPG and that's a poor quality reason for claiming all fantasy RPG's aren't immersive.
Soladrin wrote:My biggest problem with Oblivion and Skyrim so far is the guild quests.
You don't need any of the skills that the guild is designed for.
Mages guild, grab a single staff and your done. Warriors guild, can you kill stuff? Your done.
Thieves guild? Invis potion/spell.
I'd have liked some actuall skill tests.
A year ago I'd have said that was stupid but after getting into DnD I wholeheartedly agree, it would be nice to require some specialisation to do the guild quests and requiring specialisation would mean the quests could be harder (the later thieves guild quests were a faceroll with high sneak).
corpsesarefun wrote:
Fantasy world =/= MMORPG and that's a poor quality reason for claiming all fantasy RPG's aren't immersive.
Of course not, hence Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, et al.
Notice that these games are not festooned with "hidden" dungeons that are 2 minutes' walk from a major population centre. And just try taking on a dragon strait out of Irenicus' Dungeon...
If BG2 was an Elder Scrolls game you'd have been able to become head of all the class-specific organisations, which the game designers specifically did NOT do (though you can mod it in).
There also wouldn't have been any of the beautiful isometric artwork.
Oh wait, this thread is about Fallout...I actually quite liked New Vegas. If it had a few larger cities with more organisation quests it would have been seriously decent.
Well they were all easy, except bandits like I was saying. It just didnt make sense that a petty road bandit would have fething full Ebony and Daedric weapons. I really like how they did it in Skyrim as far as that goes. They can only get so tough, after that, your going to just walk through a camp of bandits
corpsesarefun wrote:
Fantasy world =/= MMORPG and that's a poor quality reason for claiming all fantasy RPG's aren't immersive.
Of course not, hence Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, et al.
Notice that these games are not festooned with "hidden" dungeons that are 2 minutes' walk from a major population centre. And just try taking on a dragon strait out of Irenicus' Dungeon...
If BG2 was an Elder Scrolls game you'd have been able to become head of all the class-specific organisations, which the game designers specifically did NOT do (though you can mod it in).
There also wouldn't have been any of the beautiful isometric artwork.
Oh wait, this thread is about Fallout...I actually quite liked New Vegas. If it had a few larger cities with more organisation quests it would have been seriously decent.
Admittedly I do prefer fallouts method of having relatively few vaults but loads of overworld content rather than the 12 dungeons per square metre of skyrim.
So I started with FO3 and Morrowind, but since have gone back to catch up on FO1, FO2, FO Tactics, Arena, and Daggerfall. Of course I've played Skyrim and NV. Honestly Morrowind was amazing, but I liked the addition of fast travel in oblivion although it wasn't done right until skyrim. I loved the feel of FO3 but I like the customablity and ammo types of NV, but I don't like the feel of the Mojave. FO1 I hated the time limit on the game. To be honest I was about to give up on FO3 then broken steel came out. I love open endings. With all that said they each have their own place for me. One is Sci-fi and the other is fantasy. I don't think I could pick one or the other.
Akroma06 wrote:FO1 I hated the time limit on the game
You must have not gotten very far. Once you find the water chip the timer goes away and you're free to do whatever.
And even then, you can extend the time limit by convincing the water merchants to give the vault some water. Its really expensive though, like 2000 caps.
Hell, you don't even need the extension. Just head east from the Hub, and you should get to the necropolis.
Necroshea wrote:Be sure to have decent speechcraft, it makes that part a breeze. Otherwise you need to be decent in mechanics, and ofcourse killing things.
What, to get the chip from necro?
You don't actually need that high of a repair skill. You could just use spare parts to fix the machine (or just nick the chip)
I am not sure if you need a high speech skill to trick harry into letting you in though.
You may be right. It's been quite a awhile since I played that game, so the precise details may elude me. I just remember having to talk my way through a mutant or two, and using my mechanical skills with spare parts to fix the machine.
Then again you could just be evil, take the chip by force, and let necropolis die.
Also, I loved punching the Deathclaw Mother to death with my powerfist, or super sledge, melee characters were awesome in that game. Slayer perk... all attacks are crit, yes please.
Yea one thing that I will admit is a sucky thing with FO games, is if you go full blown INT, in no time at all, your a supreme badass from all the skillpoints you get
Yea, that build is nearly broken....if I didnt like it so much. Uh oh, a read tic mark, sneak for 5 days, look through scope, POW! Dead, continue on with my day
feeder wrote:BioShock is one of my favorite games. Give it a try.
Fallout / Elder Scrolls isn't that easy. They are different enough that each is great on it's own merits.
A better comparison would be Fallout vs Borderlands. (Fallout wins slightly IMO)
Fallout blows Borderlands out of the water.......
Borderlands was the most boring game ever made unless you played Co-op with a friend, even then the story was boring and we would just shoot EVERYTHING.
I started with Morrowind. Oh, how I was obsessed with that game. I beat literally every single quest in the game that was possible (You couldn't do every house quest in one playthrough, for example, but other than that, I went through the strategy guide and marked them off one by one). My character was godlike, with 100s in everything and a health regeneration rate so high I literally couldn't die (Ridiculous enchantments broke this in every way possible). gak, I knew nearly every NPC by name and exactly where to find them, and I even remember some of the in-game literature word for word (seeing some of it again in Skyrim had me overjoyed). I played through Morrowind the first time at around 4 frames per second. That's how obsessed I was with it. It was my life for literally months.
It still holds a place in my heart (as well as my record for total gameplay hours), and I doubt I'll ever be quite so enthralled by a game ever again. There was something about the aesthetics of it that just...clicked, even if it doesn't make for a very groundbreaking game in this age. The beautiful art direction and vision, the momentous soundtrack, the intricate quests, the way it didn't hold your hand and expected some manner of intelligence out of the player, and the way it was the first videogame to create a completely convincing world, self-sustained with it's own politics, religions, and lore. Once you've experienced all that for the first time, it's hard for your jaw to drop quite as low at anything else.
Since then, I've played every game in both series, and I have to say that I respect both Fallout and The Elder Scrolls for completely different reasons. If I had to pick one, I'd definitely say TES just because of the investment I made in Morrowind, but not without giving both series their fair due.
In Fallout, I tend to actually roleplay more, because of the perk system and the alignment system. I enjoy creating new characters just for the hell of it, and I try to think from my character's perspective. I wear items because I like the look of them and I feel like they fit the character I'm playing, not because of the damage mitigation or bonuses to stats.
In The Elder Scrolls, I power game like no other. I pick the most effective possible build I can. I screw people over, steal everything I need to without giving it a second thought, and basically try my hardest to break the game and find every workaround possible just to get the most out of it without actually cheating. I try to max out EVERYTHING (In Daggerfall, Morrowind, and especially Oblivion, this is a major spreadsheet nightmare, but I felt it was worth the effort just to say that I did it), and if I can't max out everything, I at least try to have a balance of skills so I can at least do everything. I rerolled on Oblivion multiple times to avoid needless skill spending so I could get every stat to 100. I do find myself roleplaying a bit more in Skyrim, at least based on my character's race, because politics play a bigger role than before, the radial quest system can really screw you over in some instances when you do something stupid, and the perk trees don't allow you to become a god at every conceivable skill.
The setting of Fallout is more immediately interesting. It combines several interesting aesthetics in a brilliant way, but the backstory doesn't hold much water and I find myself not really caring that much because the entire premise is pretty silly. I can say that I was genuinely disturbed more than once while playing Fallout 3 (New Vegas never managed to give me the same feeling, though it wasn't trying nearly as hard to do so), which is a pleasant surprise from a fps/rpg hybrid in general. The rest of the series is a bit too...goofy to me. It's pretty hard for me to take it seriously or study it intently.
The Elder Scrolls may seem like generic fantasy at first glance (especially if you're one of the sad many that started off with Oblivion). However, the lore is so carefully crafted and intricately woven, and is put forth with such a human element (that almost all high fantasy lacks) that it's really hard not to dive headfirst into it. I also enjoy how it revels in the morbid, and most every occurance is some sort of shade of gray. Things feel more realistic that way than the purely black and white world of Fallout. It is the most convincing and engaging fantasy that I can honestly think of, in any form of fiction, and such care is put into it's creation that I can't help but marvel at it. It doesn't hurt that the art direction is absolutely flawless (at least in the cases of Morrowind and Skyrim).
Quests in Fallout are always long, drawn-out affairs with really good writing that always tend to involve some sort of moral dilemma. The problem is, they are so scarce that it's difficult to feel like part of an actual community (Though the faction system in NV filled this gap to a great degree). Also, there's absolutely no minutae or bite sized undertakings, everything is funneling into these huge quests that you always seem to be in the middle of.
The quests in The Elder Scrolls tend to be just as clever, but much more varied and random. I never feel like I'm playing the same game as someone else because all of the undertakings that I just happen to run into. There's always something to pick from, depending on my mood and the amount of time I think I have. Also, the wide variety of the quests help TES feel like a real world, as opposed to just a pretty awesome set piece for a handful of huge, intricate quests. Some of it might be a bit of a waste of time, but it still speaks volumes as to how much more choice you have within the world of The Elder Scrolls.
I would speak more about the leveling systems in both games, but Skyrim clearly blows every RPG to date out of the water on this regard. It's a truly genius system that eliminates spreadsheeting while enhancing player choice. I will say that I enjoyed Fallout 3 waaaaay more than Oblivion, just because I didn't have to worry about keeping track of my stats and meticulously grinding just to min/max my character. I could just play the game. But Skyrim manages to have the best of both worlds, so Fallout's system would seem absolutely archaic and counter-intuitive if it weren't for the more definitive perks.
In closing, they're both great series that just keep getting better with time, but I have a special place in my heart for The Elder Scrolls.
Ive played all in the fallout seris and only the last 3 elder scrolls games.
Personally i love the fallout universe and would choose it every time i think bethesda has done a fine job and think people who harp on about fallout 2 need to move on.
One thing I've noticed about the fallout series is that to me, fallout 1 and 2 were gritty, somewhat depressing games. From the moment you start the game til you finish it, you rarely if ever get happy endings. If you missed a chain of quests in a location, you get to watch at the end how because you forgot to intervene that place got destroyed by bandits or super mutants. In some cases it's BECAUSE you intervened that the place got destroyed. Per cannon, all of the allies you get in the first game die. Even after all the good you do, at the end of the first one you still get something of a bad ending. This kind of gameplay continued, but it seemed to die out a little as the games went on. Fallout 3 had some disturbing bits, but it didn't quite feel as hopeless as the first 2. New Vegas is basically saying "We're colonizing everything, all is good, we just have to kill off a pesky faction first".
I like the idea of a game world where even after so long, it's inhabitants still can't quite get to grips with whatever tragedy happened. It's kind of the same way with the Pirates of the Caribbean movies for me. It was fine until the last one, where it was blatantly pointed out that the setting is dying. I watched the movie because I like the setting, and having it evolve into something else generally kills it for me.
Just to go off-topic quickly, how many felt Rage was a cheap-o version of Fallout 3 ?
Anyway back on topic, never really got into the Fallout series, but I did get into TES,I remember Daggerfall been epic and very buggy but you could buy a horse and cart!
plus you wait till night in a shop and steal all the gear you wanted, loved that bug!
Rage was a dumb idea. They should have made work on a new fallout, it would have been much better.
Personally I love the fallout series. Amazing background and shtuff. I see why some people dislike new vegas due to it seeming less apocalyptic etc etc.
But with the elder scrolls, they are a good series, its just I find it difficult to get immersed properly. Whereas I always got really engrossed in fallout really quickly.
Did someone compare TES to fallout and hadn't even played fallout 1&2?
That's like talking about Danny Boyle without mentioning Trainspotting (but have seen Slumdog Millionairre and 37 hours).
Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.
Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.
corpsesarefun wrote:Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.
Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.
Gameplay in F1&F2 was awesome. Far better than Fallout 3. Action points were cool!
corpsesarefun wrote:Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.
Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.
Gameplay in F1&F2 was awesome. Far better than Fallout 3. Action points were cool!
Im gunna go ahead and agree with Joey. Not to mention, you have to take into account how old the games are.
Fair play, I have a strong preference to first person games and anything with a physics engine so that is probably colouring my vision when it comes to gameplay.
corpsesarefun wrote:Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.
Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.
Gameplay in F1&F2 was awesome. Far better than Fallout 3. Action points were cool!
Agreed. I'm sorry but VATS was a terrible idea for fallout 3 and NV. Who needs skill when you can just press V and take your sweet time thinking about where to shoot? With 1 & 2 it made sense. You can either pop a shot off as fast as possible, or you can aim and use a VATS screen to see where you're shooting. In a top down isometric game this made sense, in a FPS it's like having auto aim. Because of that, I'm currently level 20 in New Vegas and I've not touched the V key. It makes combat too easy and kills the tension in a FPS.
Before playing fallout 3, I would have told you that the atmosphere should be something akin to doom 3. The world of fallout is a scary place, and there is no hope. Instead we get something like borderlands, with an occasional mutilated body thrown in to remind you that not everyone is as bad ass as you.
corpsesarefun wrote:Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.
Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.
Gameplay in F1&F2 was awesome. Far better than Fallout 3. Action points were cool!
Agreed. I'm sorry but VATS was a terrible idea for fallout 3 and NV. Who needs skill when you can just press V and take your sweet time thinking about where to shoot? With 1 & 2 it made sense. You can either pop a shot off as fast as possible, or you can aim and use a VATS screen to see where you're shooting. In a top down isometric game this made sense, in a FPS it's like having auto aim. Because of that, I'm currently level 20 in New Vegas and I've not touched the V key. It makes combat too easy and kills the tension in a FPS.
Before playing fallout 3, I would have told you that the atmosphere should be something akin to doom 3. The world of fallout is a scary place, and there is no hope. Instead we get something like borderlands, with an occasional mutilated body thrown in to remind you that not everyone is as bad ass as you.
Funnily enough I never actually used VATS in Fallout 1&2. I always took the fast shooting perk that took it away.
Never used it in NV either.
Lol, yeah I always took fast shot too. That and high Agility with both 1&2.
Back when books could be bought but at really high prices, I didn't feel like I HAD to have my INT set to 10 at creation to have the best chance of always meeting requirements for dialogue (I hate missing things)
Necroshea wrote:Lol, yeah I always took fast shot too. That and high Agility with both 1&2.
Back when books could be bought but at really high prices, I didn't feel like I HAD to have my INT set to 10 at creation to have the best chance of always meeting requirements for dialogue (I hate missing things)
That was my Planescape character. I can't remember if I started as
fighter and rolled into mage or the other way around.
Necroshea wrote:Hmmmm, I tried planescape before but I lost interest because the intro was kind of slow.
Is it me or do things take a bit to pick up? Like I just remember not having any choices on class or anything.
I never got into P:T either. Despite being obsessed with BG2 (at one point I could tell you where every single NPC in the game was...not good) and Icewind Dale 2, Planescape was just kind of meh.
The dialogue was too verbose, too.
As for Fallout 1-2 (combat) builds, either all melee. Or full sniper, once you get some of the late game weapons (i'm looking at you Gauss rifle and turbo plasma) you'll still have plenty of action points left even while aiming. I've more then once gotten to the point where I could do 4 aimed shots or 6 regulars with the turbo plasma.
If I went for full fast shot, I'd end up running around with a Gatling laser or Vindicator gatling gun anyway... 4 bursts a turn from those turn anything into mince.
Best crit ever.. Gatling laser VS Deathclaw mother, 2473 damage. That number will never be forgotten. It was my first time running into her. So I assumed she was a cakewalk. My next character soon discovered the opposite was true....
I wont lie, I dont think Ive ever used VATS outside of the tutorial on how to use it. I just didnt see any need for it, if you cant shoot things in a FPS, then you shouldnt be playing a FPS
I really really hate Fallout... Something about the 1950's and the 1920's (which isn't present in anyway in the game) that really gets me annoyed... So i'm gonna have to go Elder Scrolls which i do actually enjoy... though it is a bit weird at times.
purplefood wrote:I really really hate Fallout...
Something about the 1950's and the 1920's (which isn't present in anyway in the game) that really gets me annoyed...
So i'm gonna have to go Elder Scrolls which i do actually enjoy... though it is a bit weird at times.
See my love of that strange retro-futuristic 50's vibe is a huge driving force behind me preferring fallout.
purplefood wrote:I really really hate Fallout...
Something about the 1950's and the 1920's (which isn't present in anyway in the game) that really gets me annoyed...
So i'm gonna have to go Elder Scrolls which i do actually enjoy... though it is a bit weird at times.
See my love of that strange retro-futuristic 50's vibe is a huge driving force behind me preferring fallout.
Elder Scrolls for me. I remember watching my cousin play Daggerfall when I was about 5. Since then I've played, and thoroughly enjoyed, all of the games in the series (excluding the one for mobile *shudders*)
Then again, perhaps I am speaking from nostalgia because I've barely put 50ish hours into Skyrim. It got a bit boring. Morrowind/Oblivion were nice. Emperor forbid that I actually like Oblivion more. *hides*
I guess Daggerfall is my favorite, and really don't believe Fallout can compete. The tactical Fallouts were a bit dry for my tastes, while Fallout 3 was enjoyable, but didn't really grab my attention for too long.
I prefer none of them really, but if I have to choose I will go with Morrowind, because I HATE post nuclear setting such as in Fallout and other games.
blood lance wrote:Rage was a dumb idea. They should have made work on a new fallout, it would have been much better.
Personally I love the fallout series. Amazing background and shtuff. I see why some people dislike new vegas due to it seeming less apocalyptic etc etc.
But with the elder scrolls, they are a good series, its just I find it difficult to get immersed properly. Whereas I always got really engrossed in fallout really quickly.
Am I the only person who loved Rage? I thought it was a lot better then FO 3/NV both atmosphere and gameplay wise.
Soladrin wrote:Am I the only person who loved Rage?
I liked it, I got a big kick out of using wingsticks. However, I had the most fun at the beginning of the game fighting the...oh hell i don't remember what they're called. Their logo was like a british flag or something. Soccer hoodlums come to mind. I even got a shirt back at quakecon 2011 with the bullet teeth smile logo. Such a sweet shirt. Anyways, yeah those guys and the city of the dead were fun. After that it just seemed like it got really repetitive. I also hated the racing part.
Fallout 3 was purely amazing.... Yet new vegas didnt cut it... But le gf bought me skyrim and i must say. yummo.... was the best game ive played in a long time
If you have a close look at the Fallout and Elder scrolls series they are just about interchangable. Only limited by their Release date and In game timeline. The Fallout series had a good storyline flowing from 1 and 2 but with 3 the game had changed hands from Interplay to Bethesda. But i had found the Elder scrolls series a bit difficult to follow, but it was still a fun game to play with the hunting and looting of caves, Etc.
I have to admit I HATED Morrowind. I went in expecting a good game after all I enjoyed Oblivion and I heard how everyone enjoyed Morrowind more and was shocked at how bad I thought it was.
I actually consider it one of the worst games I ever played. I REALLY hated it. *shrugs*
LORD_PANTERA wrote:If you have a close look at the Fallout and Elder scrolls series they are just about interchangable. Only limited by their Release date and In game timeline. The Fallout series had a good storyline flowing from 1 and 2 but with 3 the game had changed hands from Interplay to Bethesda. But i had found the Elder scrolls series a bit difficult to follow, but it was still a fun game to play with the hunting and looting of caves, Etc.
I don't know what you're talking about, Fallout is most certainly not interchangeable with Elder Scrolls. For the first 2 Fallout games, they had nothing in common with any Elder Scrolls games. The third one had only 3 things in common: Publisher, viewpoint, and free-roaming (And controls, I suppose. But you could say that about almost every game from the first person perspective nowadays). New Vegas is basically Fallout 3.5, and doesn't really make any mechanical changes.
I've played the two most recent titles from both, and they're the only ones that are really comparable IMO. I find I can spend hours playing both, Skyrim is epic, however I hated Oblivion's mechanics and while Skyrim's mechanics for combat improved it's only major downfall is in the Characters. I could give a skaven's rear if any of my pack mules/followers die. However in Fallout:NV I had a real vested interest in Boone and Ed-e. So to me, while both are good in their own right Fallout is champion. Also another problem with TES is that I can join any guild regardless of what class I'm actually doing, I just haven't because I'm a good sport about that sort of thing.
I liked Fallout 3's Setting, and I liked the improvements of Fallout:NV. Sniping out Cottonwood Cove was one of the best experiences I ever had in an FPS. Hmm... I really can't wait to see where they go with the series. I'm hoping for something set near Seattle or Washington State. And I know that the game is about the American experience of the post war, but I think seeing other countries might be interesting.
