Can't post the pictures here myself because I'm only on my phone [edit: someone else did couple posts down], but PrivateerPress.com has a bunch of their new plastics up on their homepage. So many so in fact that they don't all fit on the first page of upcoming releases. Such goodies as Hordes Battleboxes and light beasts, plastic Titans, and plastic crab jacks.

Sweet jeebas, that's a lot of new kits. Also, totally called it on the lack of Titan resculpts.

Plastic battlegroup starter boxes:






Plastic Red Rocket or Cyclops Raider

Plastic crabjacks






Plastic Titan Senry, Cannoneer and Gladiator






Gladiator and Sentry are basically identical to current metal ones, the cannoneer has different torso, head and arms.

I love Cryx models. I really do.

And a plastic Master Tormentor Morghoul!!! I bought him and converted him into a Heretek Tech-Priest. Now there's a plastic one? Grrr!!!!

Actually, I take my last post back. The Titan is totally a resculpt all-around.

Also, goddamn bane-jack. Can we just cancel that particular release?

As much as I love my Cryx and Banes, that Accumulator: Bane rule was stupid, because people really don't need more reason to field them and it doesn't even make sense. Accumulator: Cephalyx would have made much more sense on both accounts. That is a sweet looking crab jack/buzzsaw though a d I may have to pick o e up.

The new wolves are just awesome. The new Cyclopes seem ok, kinda chubbier, but not bad. Heard a bunch of complaints on the new more hunch backed troll lights, a d I can see where they're coming from, though they're not terrible per say. The trolls do seem to be getting the more raw end of the plastic resculpts.

Also, thanks for posting those. I was hoping someone would as PP's site is hard on my phone browsing.

Ooo Plastic battleboxes for Hordes? Me gusta. Might pick up the Trollkin one after I get the 2-player starter set.

Hoping for a Hordes version of that to come out someday.

How much will these starters cost? The trolls look a bit smaller than the metals or is it just my imagination?

The best thing for Troll starter would be getting these and getting metal

Metsuri wrote:[/url]

These guys remind me of some of the enemies in Metroid.
Still good looking models, good shading too. I wonder if PP only have one artist?

Some very nice things in there, especially the Helljacks.

Can't say I'm happy with the Troll lights. I always loved the fact that they stood upright. It gave them an aura of intelligence, next to the hunched "feral" lights and heavies. But I got the metal box anyway, so I've got all Impalers and Axers I'll ever need.

ceorron wrote:These guys remind me of some of the enemies in Metroid.
Still good looking models, good shading too. I wonder if PP only have one artist?

off the top of my head they have 3 studio painters that have articles on the PP blog...im sure they have more

NAVARRO wrote:How much will these starters cost? The trolls look a bit smaller than the metals or is it just my imagination?

The best thing for Troll starter would be getting these and getting metal

Looking at the Privateer site, these starters are 49.99 each, USD.

Ouch.

Cryxian Helljacks at 34.99

Hrrr, I like Skorne, even more so now being in plastic. Tempting, tempting

Saphos wrote:Hrrr, I like Skorne, even more so now being in plastic. Tempting, tempting

Yep. Thinking about Orboros and Skorne now.

How can you tell the cyclops raider is plastic?

Annnnd my desire to build the metal gladiator in my closet has dropped even further Nice stuff all around (barring trolls I suppose), though plastic crabjacks seem especially useful, for how fiddly the current metals are ... *tentatively swaps metal seether for plastic desecrator in his hypothetical eSkarre tier list*

- Salvage

porkuslime wrote:Looking at the Privateer site, these starters are 49.99 each, USD.

Ouch.

The battlegroup boxes have been $50 for quite a while, so this isn't big news.

Not terribly expensive, given the size and number of models, IMO.

Metsuri wrote:Plastic battlegroup starter boxes:

As a troll player, I might just pick up this box anyways. I mean there are still the usual complaints about a lack of a heavy warbeast in this kit, but I like the beefiness of the new lights. And the plastic alt sculpt of Madrak is awesome (his old metal pose is way too static and yes I know there was a metal cast of his alt sculpt, but plastic is so much easier to work with...

Privateer Press releases plastic crabjacks the day after I purchase two metal Harrowers.......

FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-

EDIT: NM, they don't come out until May.

Tzeentchling9 wrote:Privateer Press releases plastic crabjacks the day after I purchase two metal Harrowers.......

FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-

EDIT: NM, they don't come out until May.

i traded off my metal crabjacks in anticipation of plastic...and to keep from hurting something if i tried to build another of them

i may well pick up the trollbox just for the niftyness of plastic, and alt sculpts of the beasts

I want to used the Helljacks as counts-as Khornate Blood Slaughterers.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I want to used the Helljacks as counts-as Khornate Blood Slaughterers.

Now that you say that, they do look like a green version of those. The buzzsaw one looks especially Khorney.

Hmm, just as many wiffs as hits to me. A lot of them look great, especially the crabjacks. I don't particularly care for the new Trolls stuff, and if I were just starting out now I wouldn't pick them. I'm glad I have the metals. The Cannoneer looks like a child that just found out he is going to McDonalds for a Happy Meal with that smile. The mace pose is more 'Yay we get ice cream!' as opposed to being menacing.

Have you hugged your cannon today?

had that same skorne starter when it was metal.. I remember the cyclops arms were pretty much hell to glue together. hopefully they fixed em for plastic

H.B.M.C. wrote:I want to used the Helljacks as counts-as Khornate Blood Slaughterers.

Read my mind. Damn you PP!

H.B.M.C. wrote:I want to used the Helljacks as counts-as Khornate Blood Slaughterers.

The size different is a little much on that front. A Blood Slaughterer is big enough to fill a Large GW oval base. (I know, I have a room mate with 2 that site on those bases perfectly).

Dez wrote:
Have you hugged your cannon today?

What do you think that Gladiator is going to do?

In fairness, these do look quite similar to the metal models, which always suffered from having less than optimal (IMO) studio paint jobs. Handling them in person, and seeing Ron Kurzie's Skorne in No Quarter, should show them to be less derpy.

Alfndrate wrote:

Metsuri wrote:Plastic battlegroup starter boxes:

As a troll player, I might just pick up this box anyways. I mean there are still the usual complaints about a lack of a heavy warbeast in this kit, but I like the beefiness of the new lights. And the plastic alt sculpt of Madrak is awesome (his old metal pose is way too static and yes I know there was a metal cast of his alt sculpt, but plastic is so much easier to work with...

I like it too, but the $50 price tag is causing hesitation...

I'm not a WM player, but I'm curious about these kits. I know WM isn't a wargear-type game like 40k, but what kind of build options/posing do theese kits have?

I agree that 50 bucks seems like alot, but after the usual discount, it doesn't seem like any more than GW prices for such large models.

Must be weird. I like the Trolls. And plastic for hordes increases my chances at getting into Warmahordes since I hate metal and I'm not a fan of the human models aesthetic. I also like the Circle box, giant good looking wolves are cool, and better with 2 heads

Finally plastic Titans, hopefully the infamous "Titan-gap" will be condemned to the history books and the damn things will go together properly from now on.

Noisy_Marine wrote:How can you tell the cyclops raider is plastic?

Compare the body of the Raider to the body of the Starter Savages, they're exactly the same.

Plus, same price as the plastic light Jacks.

I'm loving the legs on those Cryx units.

Plastic Everblight, you say?

Hrmmmmah...

I'm not a huge fan at all of the new Trollblood lights - they are a step backward in the sculpts compared to the originals, IMO. I think it's the head-sculpts and the weird poses as much as the fact that they appear to be smaller than their metal counterparts.

The new cyclopes look puffier than their old versions, and that's not to my liking either.

The new crabjacks, though... holy crap. I want an entire Cryx army of these someday.

Platuan4th wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:How can you tell the cyclops raider is plastic?

Compare the body of the Raider to the body of the Starter Savages, they're exactly the same.

Plus, same price as the plastic light Jacks.

My only quibble with this at the minute is that PP have always been prety clear on sign-posting on the gallery page whether a model is plastic - and at this point in time, there is nothing there saying they are.

Swordwind wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I want to used the Helljacks as counts-as Khornate Blood Slaughterers.

Now that you say that, they do look like a red version of those. The buzzsaw one looks especially Cryx-ey.

Fix'd. The Crabjacks are about eight years old now.

new plastic Kaya still terrible to me...

and the new Trolls arent terrible to me... old sculpt just look "cuter" imho

Dysartes wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:How can you tell the cyclops raider is plastic?

Compare the body of the Raider to the body of the Starter Savages, they're exactly the same.

Plus, same price as the plastic light Jacks.

My only quibble with this at the minute is that PP have always been prety clear on sign-posting on the gallery page whether a model is plastic - and at this point in time, there is nothing there saying they are.

Look at the entry for the Vigilant. It's a plastic light warjack with no indication that it's plastic:

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warjacks/vigilant

Or the Firefly, which is also plastic with no indication:

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/warjacks/firefly

Also, Bombadiers:

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/khador/units/man-o-war-bombardiers

Neither of the following Bonejacks are listed as plastic but are:

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cryx/warjacks/ripjaw
http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cryx/warjacks/defiler


In fact, the only things clearly indicated as Plastic are re-sculpts(minus the Defilers), Fennblades, and Warspears. And Retribution Myrmidons.

About time. Now hurry up with some plastic units/casters.

Eilif wrote:I'm not a WM player, but I'm curious about these kits. I know WM isn't a wargear-type game like 40k, but what kind of build options/posing do theese kits have?

I agree that 50 bucks seems like alot, but after the usual discount, it doesn't seem like any more than GW prices for such large models.

There are not any options in a typical PP kit since they are meant to represent just one model. Their plastics are made very differently than what you might know from gw, they are more like resin kits or metal models that just happen to be plastic instead. Plastic heavy warbeasts and warjacks have options for three different builds (think lascannon/autocannon/baal predator variants with side sponsons tied to main weapon and not variable). The recent man-o-war shocktroops shake this up a bit with a few extra head options and little plastic medals.
The starters don't offer any real options but are a savings over buying the individual models.

i prefer metals over the plastics, but most of these models look decent. i dont like the general "fugly" stick they hit the troll beasts with.

And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

I think the new troll beasts are a little disappointing. For me, it's the heads that really ruin it- they look like slightly outsized trollbloods, whereas the old trolls had a much craggier cast to their features, almost neanderthal compared to modern human sort of look.

Zathras wrote:And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

The Mercs lost their two and Retribution has yet to see one.

Did you honestly think Minions were getting one?

The first of the resin (and metal) recasts of formerly all metal kits has been announced.

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/khador/warjacks/behemoth

The same model, the same price IIRC, just lighter and less likely to have a price hike.

Not hating on the new troll sculpts, but I do prefer the metals. Which is OK, since I have them

Plastic Crabjacks?!

PLASTIC CRABJACKS!

Oh happy, happy day! I've been holding off on picking these up on account of hearing how much of a bitch the metal ones are to put together. This is good news =)

I'm not Warmahordes biggest fan here, but they really do great stuff. This box is amazing to me!!



I might give them a try...

How big are the crabjacks compared to, say, a Marine Dread?

George Spiggott wrote:The first of the resin (and metal) recasts of formerly all metal kits has been announced.

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/khador/warjacks/behemoth

The same model, the same price IIRC, just lighter and less likely to have a price hike.

Wasn't the Bronzeback the first resin/metal hybrid kit? It was announced on Sep 2, 2011:

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-09-02-2011

"Also hitting store shelves this month is the first 50 mm resin/metal hybrid kit for WARMACHINE or HORDES: the Bronzeback Titan."

Crabjacks are on large bases, so 50mm, whereas I think dreads are on 60mm bases? That being said the crabjacks all look to be filling up their base completely so I don't think they'd look too odd on the larger base size.

H.B.M.C. wrote:How big are the crabjacks compared to, say, a Marine Dread?

Give me a few minutes, I'll grab you pics of the metal version next to one.

Keep in mind, most of the PP plastics received a slight upscale from their older metal counterparts.

Some look cool, others dont

Maybe this will soon accumulate to a hordes two player set

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

The Mercs lost their two and Retribution has yet to see one.

Did you honestly think Minions were getting one?

I guess this also means theres no chance of any variant starters too

sfunk37 wrote:Crabjacks are on large bases, so 50mm, whereas I think dreads are on 60mm bases? That being said the crabjacks all look to be filling up their base completely so I don't think they'd look too odd on the larger base size.

In fact, it's quite a feat if you can manage to get all of the crabjacks' legs on the 50mm base.

Here ya go, HBMC. Leviathan next to a plastic Marine Dread and (because I know what you're really after) a Blood Slaughterer:

Yeah... the new trolls are pretty awful looking :/ Took a few looks, but really not digging them.

Also, the old box art was great. These are pretty lame.

Ok... so the Slaughterer is much bigger than I thought it was. Thanks for the pics Platuan4th.

Good to see some plastic Crabjacks. I kinda wish that the Plastic Desecrator came out sooner otherwise I would have never bought the Deathjack (planning a big conversion using plastic slayer parts).

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok... so the Slaughterer is much bigger than I thought it was. Thanks for the pics Platuan4th.

No problem.

Yeah, the Slaughterer was a lot bigger than I thought when I got it in. I felt better about the price once I actually had it in hand.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Alfndrate wrote:

Metsuri wrote:Plastic battlegroup starter boxes:

As a troll player, I might just pick up this box anyways. I mean there are still the usual complaints about a lack of a heavy warbeast in this kit, but I like the beefiness of the new lights. And the plastic alt sculpt of Madrak is awesome (his old metal pose is way too static and yes I know there was a metal cast of his alt sculpt, but plastic is so much easier to work with...

I like it too, but the $50 price tag is causing hesitation...

Four Ogryn size plastic models for $50 is pretty much spot on with GW's pricing schemes in plastic. I'm certainly no fan of GW's corporate decisions (see my sig) but I also feel like PP gets a bit of a free pass from its fans when they do the same thing as GW as PP is only starting to gouge whereas GW was the market leader and pioneer in that aspect. I've always said that PP is about 10 years behind GW in their corporate decision making mindset and this seems about spot on.

Platuan4th wrote:Wasn't the Bronzeback the first resin/metal hybrid kit? It was announced on Sep 2, 2011:

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-09-02-2011

"Also hitting store shelves this month is the first 50 mm resin/metal hybrid kit for WARMACHINE or HORDES: the Bronzeback Titan."

I know the Bronzeback was announced first. I didn't know it had already been released.

Consider me corrected.

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

The Mercs lost their two and Retribution has yet to see one.

Did you honestly think Minions were getting one?

Honestly yes I did. I would think PP would support all factions equally with a starter set for each of them. None of the other factions have a starter set that really makes me want to play but if they had one for the Gators I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure that there are others out there that feel the same way I do.

Zathras wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

The Mercs lost their two and Retribution has yet to see one.

Did you honestly think Minions were getting one?

Honestly yes I did. I would think PP would support all factions equally with a starter set for each of them. None of the other factions have a starter set that really makes me want to play but if they had one for the Gators I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure that there are others out there that feel the same way I do.

Privateer Press doesn't consider Mercs and MInions actual factions and have stated such several times in the past.

Trust me, I wish my Gators would get as much support as a faction.

Note that they stopped supporting the 2 merc starters a little before mkII

The trolls are way too hunched over, and their heads are jutting out really far. They look pretty silly. Which is sad since I have trolls.

The rest all look pretty solid.

Platuan4th wrote:Privateer Press doesn't consider Mercs and MInions actual factions and have stated such several times in the past.

Trust me, I wish my Gators would get as much support as a faction.

My guess would be that future starter sets will be tied closely with plastic warbeast/warjack releases. I think future Mercenary and minion starter sets could be a possibility. The Mercenary ones were released when Mercenaries weren't even supposed to be a playable force.

George Spiggott wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Wasn't the Bronzeback the first resin/metal hybrid kit? It was announced on Sep 2, 2011:

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-09-02-2011

"Also hitting store shelves this month is the first 50 mm resin/metal hybrid kit for WARMACHINE or HORDES: the Bronzeback Titan."

I know the Bronzeback was announced first. I didn't know it had already been released.

Consider me corrected.

I think the Bane Thrall resculpt from last year might “technically” be the first hybrid kit. The kit was released during June last year and contain “resin” shoulder pads.

Platuan4th wrote:I felt better about the price once I actually had it in hand.

Well I know of a place where you can get 2 for less than 1 would cost normally, so I won't worry about that.

What I do worry about is stability. They... seem fragile, being held up by spindly resin pincers. How fragile are they?

This is why these Cryx models interest me. They're plastic and come on bases!

The privateer plastics are fairly durable, it's not a miracle material that can be stomped on or thrown across the room. But they are way tougher than FW resin and more like a normal ABS style plastic than a hobby resin. I have several khador jacks and man-o-wars and they've held up equally well as the GW plastic models I own. The jacks are able to be magnetized which is great for game play as you can kit out a model for several diferant builds.

They are pretty awesome to work with and I've replaced all my metal models with the plastic versions, with my gaming case now a quarter of it's former weight it's saved me hundreds of dollars that I normally would have spent at my chiropractor

H.B.M.C. wrote:

What I do worry about is stability. They... seem fragile, being held up by spindly resin pincers. How fragile are they?

I've yet to have a problem with them, but that's more to do with my anal protectiveness of my FW models whenever I carry or play them than anything else. The legs are actually thicker and sturdier than pictures suggest, though I probably wouldn't trust it to stand properly if it was in the same pose as my Leviathan next to it. Very forward heavy.

PP also has some metal bases so if you have a troublesome jack that's heavy on one side use a metal base and it'll keep it planted on the table pretty solidly.

The Everblight starter tempts me every time. If only I didn't have so many bugs, undead and haqqislam to paint already.

And an opponent interested in playing Seriously, the main thing holding me back is I'll never get to use them.

-Loki- wrote:The Everblight starter tempts me every time. If only I didn't have so many bugs, undead and haqqislam to paint already.

And an opponent interested in playing Seriously, the main thing holding me back is I'll never get to use them.

Easy! Buy two starters! Then you can be a Press Ganger.

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

The Mercs lost their two and Retribution has yet to see one.

Did you honestly think Minions were getting one?

Honestly yes I did. I would think PP would support all factions equally with a starter set for each of them. None of the other factions have a starter set that really makes me want to play but if they had one for the Gators I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure that there are others out there that feel the same way I do.

Privateer Press doesn't consider Mercs and MInions actual factions and have stated such several times in the past.

Trust me, I wish my Gators would get as much support as a faction.

It's not so much that they're not a faction but rather they are amalgamations
of different smaller groups that aren't factions on the level of the Circle
Orboros or Cygnar.

So think of it this way.

Imperial Guard and Space Marines are factions.

The various flavor of Inquisitor are *like* Mercenaries. Their stuff sometimes
works together, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they can be used by
the "main factions", and sometimes they can't.

Their lead writer has said that Mercenaries and Minions are places where
they can explore various side factions without having to release and support
all the side groups on the same level as the main factions.

With that in mind, developing two starter boxes for each of these isn't
really a good idea. You're releasing twice as many items to catch fewer
players. At least, that's how I see it.

infinite_array wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The Everblight starter tempts me every time. If only I didn't have so many bugs, undead and haqqislam to paint already.

And an opponent interested in playing Seriously, the main thing holding me back is I'll never get to use them.

Easy! Buy two starters! Then you can be a Press Ganger.

Well, I could play against randoms at the shop, but according to the owner, my local Warmachine scene is basically all the worst TFGs you could think of playing.

Become the PG and shut them down.

I'm confused about this metal/resin hybrid stuff, mainly the "why" behind that decision. Is this really a compromise that people will like? :/

Breotan wrote:I'm confused about this metal/resin hybrid stuff, mainly the "why" behind that decision. Is this really a compromise that people will like? :/

If it works better than the old Space Marine metal/plastic stuff, then yes.

And how is it a compromise?

Are the crabjacks 1 box with 3 options, or 3 seperate boxes?

-P

I'm guessing all the PP plastics are 3-in-1 boxes. No sense in taking up inventory space with three models that share parts and only different in weapons/a few details. Makes even less sense to machine a mould to do that as well.

I suspect as much.. but using the extra parts that they might give you would certainly tip me into making my own Blood Slaughterer.. maybe bulk it a bit (I suspect that body and legs would be non-duplicated).. but the saw arm and the big blade arms could be kitmashed..

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm guessing all the PP plastics are 3-in-1 boxes. No sense in taking up inventory space with three models that share parts and only different in weapons/a few details. Makes even less sense to machine a mould to do that as well.

Yep, 3-in-1 box. They're the same as the current PP plastic kits.

Heavies are 3-in-1, Lights are just a single type (which personally annoys me and my "only thing different are the heads" bone turkeys).

Also something to note about PP plastic. Plastic glue Does Not Work on it. At all. Super glue however works extra good on it and it can be hard to break parts back off if you want to. The plastic I feel is stronger than GW plastic, and will bend further before it breaks. I have had a few of my jacks bow forward under their weight when left in the hot car however, something that's never happened to me with GW plastic figs.

And I think I've decided what it is I don't like about the new trolls. They don't look bad, but somethings been bugging me about them. They seem to be devolving into Orks, getting bulkier and more hunched over.

Aduro wrote: They seem to be devolving into Orks, getting bulkier and more hunched over.

What? Trollblood is devolving!
*insert music*
Trollblood has devolved into Ork!
Ork is attempting to learn Waaaargh.

I think Skorne is using steroids on their cyclops'.

@Surtur

No they're just subscribing to Rasheth's weight program

Eat 10 lbs of butter and not move?

I really think they should've taken the opportunity to redo the Troll battlebox to a Mauler, Axer, and Impaler. Maybe on an eventual two-player warpack box one year?

I realise I am not all that familiar with PP models, but tell me:



... am I crazy or are the models on the far left and far right not exactly the same, except one is just smaller? They're in the same pose, same head, same colours, same armour - everything in the same spot. One's just smaller.

The Crabjacks have the same PIP.

I don't know why the light warjacks have different PIPs, though.

H.B.M.C. wrote:... am I crazy or are the models on the far left and far right not exactly the same, except one is just smaller? They're in the same pose, same head, same colours, same armour - everything in the same spot. One's just smaller.

They're both identical (just like in the old metal set) but one is poorly photoshopped to look as if it were further away.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I realise I am not all that familiar with PP models, but tell me:



... am I crazy or are the models on the far left and far right not exactly the same, except one is just smaller? They're in the same pose, same head, same colours, same armour - everything in the same spot. One's just smaller.

Now concentrate Dougal..The ones on the left are closer than the one on the right, because it is standing farther back.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I realise I am not all that familiar with PP models, but tell me:
... am I crazy or are the models on the far left and far right not exactly the same, except one is just smaller? They're in the same pose, same head, same colours, same armour - everything in the same spot. One's just smaller.

Ha, well spotted on the bad Photoshop. Now you mention it, the shadows on the boxes are all over the place too, with some models missing them and Kaya's being the same height as the Warpwolf's.

OT I quite like the new look on the Trolls. The only model I have a problem with is the Warpwolf, due to it having freakishly large hands and looking like it's got a wolf mask on, as the fur on the head ends very abruptly.

malfred wrote:The Crabjacks have the same PIP.

I don't know why the light warjacks have different PIPs, though.

Because the heavies come as one box with the arms and heads to makes any of the variations on that particular chassis. The lights only give you the arms and head for a single version of that jack, and all the different versions being in different boxes.

Yeah, it's pretty noticable- an odd way to arrange the models when you want someone to be able to grasp the scale of them!

Perhaps the one on the right Was photoshopped in, if these are new models and they only had one sample of each to paint up, or the like? It would explain why, despite being plastic (and thus, seemingly more posable), the two impalers seem to be in exactly the same pose.

They're all 'shopped in. Hence no bases.

There's probably only one plastic Impaler been painted by the studio too.

I'll beinterested to see how poseable the plastic beasts are. With jacks it's all big metal ball joints on the shoulders, with most all other joints being fairly fixed. The beasts don't have the same luxury of easy detail free ball joints so I bet they're going to be nearly mono pose.

Aduro wrote:

malfred wrote:The Crabjacks have the same PIP.

I don't know why the light warjacks have different PIPs, though.

Because the heavies come as one box with the arms and heads to makes any of the variations on that particular chassis. The lights only give you the arms and head for a single version of that jack, and all the different versions being in different boxes.

Right, but what I should have said was, why didn't they release them as kits?

malfred wrote:

Aduro wrote:

malfred wrote:The Crabjacks have the same PIP.

I don't know why the light warjacks have different PIPs, though.

Because the heavies come as one box with the arms and heads to makes any of the variations on that particular chassis. The lights only give you the arms and head for a single version of that jack, and all the different versions being in different boxes.

Right, but what I should have said was, why didn't they release them as kits?

Hmm, maybe its because heavies are usually a good staple in any list while lights may be less popular so to squeeze a little extra profit, they separate the lights.

Heavy WJ=more popular, more likely to sell
Light WJ=less popular, less likely to sell

I may be wrong though

Ok. I see. The reason I asked is because, as I said, I'm not familiar with the models, and assumed that the one on the far right was meant to be a different type of model to the one on the far left, and that the picture was showing you the units from largest to smallest.

So it's just showing 4 models, only one of them is meant to be in the distance. There's no actual model throwing spears like that that's just smaller than the big one?

Aduro wrote:I'll beinterested to see how poseable the plastic beasts are. With jacks it's all big metal ball joints on the shoulders, with most all other joints being fairly fixed. The beasts don't have the same luxury of easy detail free ball joints so I bet they're going to be nearly mono pose.

I've never put together a plastic 'beast, but i think that's the case.

Lookng forward to the new helljack to go with my albeit limited Cryx colection.

malfred wrote:

Aduro wrote:

malfred wrote:The Crabjacks have the same PIP.

I don't know why the light warjacks have different PIPs, though.

Because the heavies come as one box with the arms and heads to makes any of the variations on that particular chassis. The lights only give you the arms and head for a single version of that jack, and all the different versions being in different boxes.

Right, but what I should have said was, why didn't they release them as kits?

They posted once saying it was an issue of cost. Arms on a light jack making up more of the total material than arms on a heavy or something like that but otherwise it would have doubled the price on a light jack to include all the options in the box.

Personal belief is just that they didn't forsee the magnization thing that got so popular with the heavies and thus basicly disallowed it on the lights.

malfred wrote:Right, but what I should have said was, why didn't they release them as kits?

I think I read somewhere that it had to do with the percieved value of the ´jacks.

People are willing to pay more for a heavy than they´re for a light. A modular light kit in the same kind as the heavy would be more expensive than the individual lights are now. The average player (those who don´t magnetize) would not be as willing to pay, dunno, $25-$30 for a light, while he might be perfectly fine to pay $35 for a heavy.

Ghetorix upgrade kit for the plastic dire wolf is up!



360 view available here:

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/warbeasts/ghetorix

Needs more skulls.

spireland wrote:Needs more skulls.

Runes are to PP what Skulls are to GW.

Seriously, they put them on everything.

"That's a nice werewolf you've got there. Know what it needs? Runes."

biccat wrote:

spireland wrote:Needs more skulls.

Runes are to Hordes what Skulls are to GW.

Seriously, they put them on everything.

"That's a nice werewolf you've got there. Know what it needs? Runes."

Fixed your quote. Goggles are to Warmachine what skulls are to GW. Each line has its own signature style.

Yeah, it's especially funny in the artwork, where there are random lines of runes drawn on top of the images

I like the new warpwolves, though- they've definitely grown on me, and I think they definitely improve on the basic warpwolf (although nothing can really match the metal pureblood one).

RiTides wrote:Yeah, it's especially funny in the artwork, where there are random lines of runes drawn on top of the images

Not actually random. Runes do actually appear when Casters do their spells in the fluff.

Also, Ghetorix is a must buy and I don't even play Circle(yet).

Platuan4th wrote:

RiTides wrote:Yeah, it's especially funny in the artwork, where there are random lines of runes drawn on top of the images

Not actually random. Runes do actually appear when Casters do their spells in the fluff.

Also, Ghetorix is a must buy and I don't even play Circle(yet).

They also typically spell out the name of either their feat or part of their spell list. Handy for squeezing sneak peeks out of concept art.

biccat wrote:

spireland wrote:Needs more skulls.

Runes are to PP what Skulls are to GW.

Seriously, they put them on everything.

"That's a nice werewolf you've got there. Know what it needs? Runes."

Makes sense. When it's done, it's been runed.

@ Platuan4th / Laughing Man- good to know!

I am a little underwhelmed by the model. He seems really static, just standing there waiting for orders. It's ok I guess, and is mostly on the base (something many of the large war beasts have issues with) but I think it could have been a bit more dynamic and interesting.

Still, I want one now. :(


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Woah! It is 17$ on top of the plastic kit cost! Hell with that... Rackham will come to the rescue yet again!

Yeah, that's a downer on the plastic warbeast kits- they really don't seem to be saving much money, unlike the only plastic infantry I have experience with- fennblades. $50 or so for 10 guys, as opposed to something like over $100 for a full unit of kriel warriors (metal) although they have a lot of unit attachments.

Wehrkind wrote:I am a little underwhelmed by the model. He seems really static, just standing there waiting for orders. It's ok I guess, and is mostly on the base (something many of the large war beasts have issues with) but I think it could have been a bit more dynamic and interesting.

Still, I want one now. :(


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Woah! It is 17$ on top of the plastic kit cost! Hell with that... Rackham will come to the rescue yet again!

To be fair, that puts Ghetorix at a total of $52 USD, which is on par with other Character Heavies, both combo and full metal.

Really want the Trolls n Skorne

Awesome stuff!

Yeah, the plastic Warpwolves, including that Ghetorix are really awesome looking.

I was pretty meh about Ghetorix until I saw the model. Now I want one.

Skorne stuff looks as good as the metals (pretty much.) Hope the back banners and such won't be as terrible to attach (and stay attached!) as the metals.

Troll stuff is a huge step backwards. Going to stock up on metals while I can.

Love the Wolves, though Getorix is a little too static looking (compared to his art) and his axe looks like a big toy.

malfred wrote:Become the PG and shut them down.

or realize that for the most part Warmahordes has always at it's core been an ultra-competative/tourney style game and scene. It is pretty much M:TG in miniatures form.

The player base in general tend to be much more focuse das a whole on ultra-competative play then say 40K which has a much more divided array of play styles. The game is meant to be fast, brutal and no-holds barred.

Embrace this fact and it becomes a lot more fun. Go into it looking for self-restraint and hand-holding and you will likely be dissapointed...

That Titan Sentry makes me want to start a Skorne army. And that's after buying a 15 point Gatormen army last week. Damn PP and their awesome business model.

Aduro wrote:
And I think I've decided what it is I don't like about the new trolls. They don't look bad, but somethings been bugging me about them. They seem to be devolving into Orks, getting bulkier and more hunched over.

Agreed. The heads seem to be jutting to far forward, almost like they are attached to the front of their chest rather than on top of their necks. I like the warcaster model though, it's less static.

RiTides wrote:Yeah, that's a downer on the plastic warbeast kits- they really don't seem to be saving much money, unlike the only plastic infantry I have experience with- fennblades. $50 or so for 10 guys, as opposed to something like over $100 for a full unit of kriel warriors (metal) although they have a lot of unit attachments.

I just built a unit of Fennblades last night. Scored them for $37 (with shipping) on ebay. Overall I have to say Im neutral on them. Biggest thing to watch out for is that the plastic does not work with regular plastic cement (like testors). There are some noticeable gaps that need to be filled as well due to the way they were made to fit together.


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CT GAMER wrote:

malfred wrote:Become the PG and shut them down.

or realize that for the most part Warmahordes has always at it's core been an ultra-competative/tourney style game and scene. It is pretty much M:TG in miniatures form.

The player base in general tend to be much more focuse das a whole on ultra-competative play then say 40K which has a much more divided array of play styles. The game is meant to be fast, brutal and no-holds barred.

Embrace this fact and it becomes a lot more fun. Go into it looking for self-restraint and hand-holding and you will likely be dissapointed...

See that discourages me from actually playing the game. Im looking for fun...and what you described doesnt sound like fun at all. That sounds like a bunch of people taking plastic toys way too seriously.

Mad4Minis wrote:

RiTides wrote:Yeah, that's a downer on the plastic warbeast kits- they really don't seem to be saving much money, unlike the only plastic infantry I have experience with- fennblades. $50 or so for 10 guys, as opposed to something like over $100 for a full unit of kriel warriors (metal) although they have a lot of unit attachments.

I just built a unit of Fennblades last night. Scored them for $37 (with shipping) on ebay. Overall I have to say Im neutral on them. Biggest thing to watch out for is that the plastic does not work with regular plastic cement (like testors). There are some noticeable gaps that need to be filled as well due to the way they were made to fit together.


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CT GAMER wrote:

malfred wrote:Become the PG and shut them down.

or realize that for the most part Warmahordes has always at it's core been an ultra-competative/tourney style game and scene. It is pretty much M:TG in miniatures form.

The player base in general tend to be much more focuse das a whole on ultra-competative play then say 40K which has a much more divided array of play styles. The game is meant to be fast, brutal and no-holds barred.

Embrace this fact and it becomes a lot more fun. Go into it looking for self-restraint and hand-holding and you will likely be disappointed...

See that discourages me from actually playing the game. Im looking for fun...and what you described doesnt sound like fun at all. That sounds like a bunch of people taking plastic toys way too seriously.

First experience I had playing the game was it was really fun easing into it and after my first steam roller tournament, timed turns, mind racing with battle plans, it was a complete rush of adrenaline to get your entire force in the turn. I loved it but yes the competitive scene makes 40k "pros" blush as instead of min-maxing armies to cram as many MSU and the like, you build everything into a combo of what works off of what, brings up from it's faults and makes a good unit stupid good.

It's all about playing your army like a machine where each unit is a cog. Finding what pieces work well with others and going from there. Of course there are some no brainer choices for each faction to pick but they also might not work as good for certain casters. Variety also, the game offers so much you almost never face the same list twice.

Warmachine is really a different game from a structural point of view to 40k. You can’t really compare the MSU/Mech spam issues that you see in the competitive 40k arena as spam doesn’t work in WM/H. The majority of units in a faction are “good” so to speak so it’s very easy to build an enjoyable list around units you like and for it to be competitive at the same time (as long as there's synergy).

There’s also less rules lawyering as well due to the rules being easier to interpret (with actual errata to cover the issues).

I want one or two of the plastic Warpwolves for my pre-painted Confrontation Wolfen army. The have a unit called a Worg, and the metal model is a big chunk of metal. But it's also mono-pose, unless you heavily convert it.

With all three Warpwolf versions in one box, two boxes could make two completely different looking models. Without Hordes-legal profiles to follow, you essentially get a model with three torso choices, three arms for each side, and three heads, which is a great deal.

It doesn't have to be a brutal grindfest. The game embraces
competition, but it doesn't have to be a terrible experience.

Mad4Minis wrote:

RiTides wrote:Yeah, that's a downer on the plastic warbeast kits- they really don't seem to be saving much money, unlike the only plastic infantry I have experience with- fennblades. $50 or so for 10 guys, as opposed to something like over $100 for a full unit of kriel warriors (metal) although they have a lot of unit attachments.

I just built a unit of Fennblades last night. Scored them for $37 (with shipping) on ebay. Overall I have to say Im neutral on them. Biggest thing to watch out for is that the plastic does not work with regular plastic cement (like testors). There are some noticeable gaps that need to be filled as well due to the way they were made to fit together.

Yeah, like I said I wasn't exactly thrilled with the composition of the plastic, but at least they're cheap and the poses are pretty good! Plastic cement doesn't work on the metals either, obviously, so that's not changing much . But I do hope they change their formula at some point!

Another noticable thing is that you're not getting any extra bits, so the price makes more sense in that light, too.

Nice to see you're building some trolls