Um, Why didnt he sell it? I know shooting is alot of fun but selling it and then using the money on dinner for the couple would give alot more damage.
But god, I love old fashion parents.
I question the airing of dirty laundry in order to illustrate that the airing of dirty laundry is bad.
That said, it does remind me of a line one of my old professors used to start every semester with: "And, to close this class session, remember that I've been playing this game for almost 30 years. No matter how good you think you are, I'm better. Don't bs me."
I had 5 courses with him, and he never failed to recite it verbatim.
I really can not tell if this is a joke or not. If not this guy needs to get his head out of somewhere and realize this is no longer the 1950's. If it was a joke then golfclap
He has his head up his ass becuase he took away a laptop he repeatedly warned would be taken way after she continually was rude and disrespectful? OMG, a teenager doesn't have a laptop they didn't pay for all of a sudden, someone call CPS.
Also, not that I know the man, but the seemingly unconscious paper scrunching doesn't exactly say "Wholly rational, well balanced, individual." to me.
Also, also: towards the end I only heard "ZOMG, my teenager whinges about me to her friends!" Made all the more hilarious by an old man whinging about his kid.
Ahtman wrote:He has his head up his ass becuase he took away a laptop he repeatedly warned would be taken way after she continually was rude and disrespectful? OMG, a teenager doesn't have a laptop they didn't pay for all of a sudden, someone call CPS.
That is not why he has his head up his ass. The reason his head is there is because he handled this situation like a fussy child and not like a responsible adult should. I am sorry but raging at the internet then plugging holes in your kids laptop does not make you a rational or sensible person. "You made me mad so I am going to break something you have and hope you watch" is something a five year old would do.
dogma wrote:Also, not that I know the man, but the seemingly unconscious paper scrunching doesn't exactly say "Wholly rational, well balanced, individual." to me.
You've never been mad before? I don't think being upset is a sign of an unbalanced person, as we all get upset from time to time.
dogma wrote:Also, also: towards the end I only heard "ZOMG, my teenager whinges about me to her friends!" Made all the more hilarious by an old man whinging about his kid.
The circle of life, as it were.
I don't really get the big deal about some spoiled teen losing a laptop is. He paid for it, if he wants to shoot it he is welcome to. I also don't think it was as simple as "she whined on Facebook so this is happening becuase of this single incident". He made it pretty clear there was a pattern of behavior that had been going on for some time that lead up to her no longer having a laptop. It isn't like he beat her or that this was a first offense.
Should he have filmed it and put it on the internet? Probably not, but people aften do silly things when they are frustrated and hurt. I'm still trying to figure out the 'cleaning lady situation', as I don't quite understand that, other then she isn't the cleaning lady. I kind of get the impression they are really well off but that, probably becuase of their working background, they don't let her act as if she is well off and she wants to act that way. Sort of a "we're rich, why should I clean my room?" attitude.
It is funny but I don't really get the big deal. Parent gets frustrated at teen, dog bites man, news at 11.
Ahtman wrote:He has his head up his ass becuase he took away a laptop he repeatedly warned would be taken way after she continually was rude and disrespectful? OMG, a teenager doesn't have a laptop they didn't pay for all of a sudden, someone call CPS.
That is not why he has his head up his ass. The reason his head is there is because he handled this situation like a fussy child and not like a responsible adult should. I am sorry but raging at the internet then plugging holes in your kids laptop does not make you a rational or sensible person. "You made me mad so I am going to break something you have and hope you watch" is something a five year old would do.
Yes, one incident of anger must mean he is a five year old. I'm sure you have never had an irrational moment in your life. While it may not have been the most level headed response, it isn't as if anyone got hurt. I'd rather get mad and take away an unneeded piece of tech then go on a rampage. Silly, but harmless, and it wasn't like he even destroyed anything of hers, it was his laptop that he was letting her use on conditions she didn't meet.
How did you handle your teens when they were continually petulant, defiant, rude, and disrespectful even after being to talked to about it and reasoned with?
Ahtman wrote:
You've never been mad before? I don't think being upset is a sign of an unbalanced person, as we all get upset from time to time.
Sure, and I've even done things that I regret. But I haven't ever been so mad that I grabbed a camera, a laptop, a gun, and proceed to scrunch a piece of paper in anger after all that was done (That sounds strangely lik Dr. Seuss.).
That said, unbalanced was the wrong word, "overly emotional" is a better phrase, and more reflective of my generally cold perspective.
Ahtman wrote:
I don't really get the big deal about some spoiled teen losing a laptop is. He paid for it, if he wants to shoot it he is welcome to. I also don't think it was as simple as "she whined on Facebook so this is happening becuase of this single incident". He made it pretty clear there was a pattern of behavior that had been going on for some time that lead up to her no longer having a laptop. It isn't like he beat her or that this was a first offense.
Oh, I'm not saying its abuse, or even wrong to the extent of abuse. I just think its either an overreaction given the apparent age of the girl, or a poorly thought out idea given both the message that is supposed to communicated (Don't talk gak on Facebook.) and the reality of the internet.
You make your kid smarter by being smarter than your kid, not by lowering yourself to their level.
Ahtman wrote:
It is funny but I don't really get the big deal. Parent gets frustrated at teen, dog bites man, news at 11.
Part of me says "Bravo, don't let your bratty teen push you around."
Part of me says, "Man, she's gonna fall behind in school if she can't use a computer to do reseach anymore." Yes, I know there are other ways to do research; I had to do it the old-fashioned way when I was in school. But if you have to spend a half-hour going to the library, then another half-hour just finding the material you are looking for, then another half-hour going home... that's an hour and a half of research time LOST versus doing an internet search.
Well, hopefully this guy knows what he's doing. But if I were an IT specialist, I'd just block her access to Facebook. That would hurt her just as much without wasting all the money on the laptop.
His daughter will rebel either way. Either he tries to teach her to grow up now, or have her just distant away eventually.
He is doing what should be done.
Well, the reason he put it on YouTube is as follows (as far as I can tell):
Even after she was warned multiple times she put up a post bitching about her parents on Facebook and thought she was smart enough to hide it from them.
So instead of just telling her "I saw what you did" they let her keep on thinking she was smart enough to get away with it and made this video in order to post it on her Facebook.
Pretty much a modern technology version of finding your teenagers secret stash of porn/smokes/alcohol, taking all of it, then putting a note in the box saying "I know what you did, you are grounded" and putting the box back.
hotsauceman1 wrote:Um, Why didnt he sell it? I know shooting is alot of fun but selling it and then using the money on dinner for the couple would give alot more damage.
But god, I love old fashion parents.
Makes a point so much more. Come on, you know you've wanted to shoot your computer before.
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Johnny-Crass wrote:I really can not tell if this is a joke or not. If not this guy needs to get his head out of somewhere and realize this is no longer the 1950's. If it was a joke then golfclap
Thats real. Most of my friends are like this . He's nothing to my Dad and Mom though - the wussy.
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Sure, and I've even done things that I regret. But I haven't ever been so mad that I grabbed a camera, a laptop, a gun, and proceed to scrunch a piece of paper in anger after all that was done (That sounds strangely lik Dr. Seuss.).
You've not had kids Dogma. Remember, before us (despite the really bad haircuts in old pics) our parents were cool. We made them that way...
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LunaHound wrote:Psycho? he was composed the whole entire video.
I just find it particularly timely, as I bought both kids laptops for Christmas. I think I'm getting one for SWMBO for her birthday as well.
Frazz you might be well advised to post a link to the craigslist posting selling your kids laptops on facebook if you go this route; unless are the CEO of an IT company in North Carolina who desperately needs to reseed his lawn.
I thought it was fantastic until he uttered the words "explodig hollowpoints." shrug.
AustonT wrote:Frazz you might be well advised to post a link to the craigslist posting selling your kids laptops on facebook if you go this route; unless are the CEO of an IT company in North Carolina who desperately needs to reseed his lawn.
I thought it was fantastic until he uttered the words "explodig hollowpoints." shrug.
Vulcan wrote:Part of me says, "Man, she's gonna fall behind in school if she can't use a computer to do reseach anymore." Yes, I know there are other ways to do research; I had to do it the old-fashioned way when I was in school. But if you have to spend a half-hour going to the library, then another half-hour just finding the material you are looking for, then another half-hour going home... that's an hour and a half of research time LOST versus doing an internet search.
Something tells me this particular teen isn't really the "researching" type...
Basically this was, "My teenage daughter whined about me to her friends! I have only one choice; using totally disproportionate retribution I should make her hate me even more!" I understand that she needed to be punished, but he kinda went a tad too far. Maybe just take the laptop and cellphone away for a month and ground her or something.
I dont think he over reacted at all. He said in his video that he warned he previously about her doing things like that on facebook, and even said "if you ever do this again, itll be way worse" And a parent HAS to keep their promises to their children, weather fun or for punishment. If he just grounded her again, the message would of been "Im a push over, try me again"
Ive broken my kids things before for similar things. "Dont swing the bat in my house" and a week or so later when my son swings a bat in the house and breaks something, yup, he gets to throw away a nicely crush baseball bat
KingCracker wrote:I dont think he over reacted at all. He said in his video that he warned he previously about her doing things like that on facebook, and even said "if you ever do this again, itll be way worse" And a parent HAS to keep their promises to their children, weather fun or for punishment. If he just grounded her again, the message would of been "Im a push over, try me again"
Ive broken my kids things before for similar things. "Dont swing the bat in my house" and a week or so later when my son swings a bat in the house and breaks something, yup, he gets to throw away a nicely crush baseball bat
There's a bit of a divergance here. Most of the posters with kids are defending because we know how crazy you makes us, don't we Precious. Other posters are defending. All I have to say is...you'll see...
I watched it on a school computer with no sound, but from what I gather, his kid spends too much time on the computer, so his dad shot it with his beautiful 45.
dogma wrote:That said, it does remind me of a line one of my old professors used to start every semester with: "And, to close this class session, remember that I've been playing this game for almost 30 years. No matter how good you think you are, I'm better. Don't bs me."
I've had a number of professors say this to me in the past. They've been universally wrong. I suspect that they say this to weed out the less intelligent or less dedicated bullgakkers.
Then again, most of academia is built around being good at bullgakking.
Samus_aran115 wrote:I watched it on a school computer with no sound, but from what I gather, his kid spends too much time on the computer, so his dad shot it with his beautiful 45.
She posted hateful stuff about them on her Facebook and was grounded earlier. She did the same thing again later when not grounded (this time) and hid it. As he works in IT he found it while upgrading her PC for her and read it all out. His 45 shot hollowpoints.
Samus_aran115 wrote:I watched it on a school computer with no sound, but from what I gather, his kid spends too much time on the computer, so his dad shot it with his beautiful 45.
She posted hateful stuff about them on her Facebook and was grounded earlier. She did the same thing again later when not grounded (this time) and hid it. As he works in IT he found it while upgrading her PC for her and read it all out. His 45 shot hollowpoints.
Ah, that's much more appropriate. Thanks for bringing me up to speed.
Reckon he put it on t'internet so she couldn't pull the martyr card with her friends and neighbours. He very clearly explained why what she was doing was bs.
I reckon he should have sold or permanently confiscated it rather than shooting it though. Shooting it is extremely wasteful.
Da Boss wrote:Reckon he put it on t'internet so she couldn't pull the martyr card with her friends and neighbours. He very clearly explained why what she was doing was bs.
I reckon he should have sold or permanently confiscated it rather than shooting it though. Shooting it is extremely wasteful.
dogma wrote:That said, it does remind me of a line one of my old professors used to start every semester with: "And, to close this class session, remember that I've been playing this game for almost 30 years. No matter how good you think you are, I'm better. Don't bs me."
I've had a number of professors say this to me in the past. They've been universally wrong. I suspect that they say this to weed out the less intelligent or less dedicated bullgakkers.
Then again, most of academia is built around being good at bullgakking.
When I had my first course with him, he was right, by the fifth he was wrong.
Just before I graduated we were talking about some political nonsense, I think it was why the fervency of Obama supporters was hilarious (This would have been during the primary after it came down to him and Hillary.), and he asked me:
dogma wrote:When I had my first course with him, he was right, by the fifth he was wrong.
Just before I graduated we were talking about some political nonsense, I think it was why the fervency of Obama supporters was hilarious (This would have been during the primary after it came down to him and Hillary.), and he asked me:
Prof: Do you believe anything you say?
Me: Some of it, but not most of it.
Prof.: You have done well, young Padawan.
That was the gist of it, anyway.
During the bar review, a professor informed us "If you don't know the answer to the question, BS your way through it. If you've spent 3 years in law school and haven't learned how to BS your way through an essay question you don't deserve to be a lawyer."
80% show, 20% substance. 90-10 if you're a litigator. 99.999-0.001 if you're a criminal attorney.
KingCracker wrote:I dont think he over reacted at all. He said in his video that he warned he previously about her doing things like that on facebook, and even said "if you ever do this again, itll be way worse" And a parent HAS to keep their promises to their children, weather fun or for punishment. If he just grounded her again, the message would of been "Im a push over, try me again"
Ive broken my kids things before for similar things. "Dont swing the bat in my house" and a week or so later when my son swings a bat in the house and breaks something, yup, he gets to throw away a nicely crush baseball bat
There's a bit of a divergance here. Most of the posters with kids are defending because we know how crazy you makes us, don't we Precious. Other posters are defending. All I have to say is...you'll see...
Reminds of that parenting thread that popped up a few months ago. Good grief, I agree though, just wait till you have some kids everyone else, youll see
Da Boss wrote:I guess if I had a 45 I'd be looking for problems I could solve using it, too.
I was thinking the same thing. What shows your power like bullets? A samurai sword? That would have been wicked if he sliced the computer in half with a katana.
There has been an update in this ongoing national crisis.
Late Thursday night, Jordan posted an update on his Facebook page:
"Do I regret doing it? No. Do I regret keeping it on Facebook long enough to cause this stir? Yes," he wrote. "However at this time I feel that if I took the post or the video down, I’d just make it appear that we’re running in shame from it, and we’re not."
He said he and Hannah discussed the incident -- and the video -- after she came home from school and together set the ground rules for her punishment. And then they sat down together at his computer to read some of the thousands of comments that have been posted on Facebook.
"At first it was upsetting," he wrote. "Then, as we read it became less so, eventually funny to both of us."
She wasn't impressed with the vitriol, and turned down her dad's offer to shoot her own response video. "
"For those that wondered, commented, criticized, and just in general wanted to know: My daughter came through it fine," he wrote in another status update. "Yes, she's in trouble, and yes, she's grounded, but that doesn't mean every moment of her life has to be miserable."
"My Facebook wall will never be the same again," he quipped. "And we’ll be OK as a family and she’ll grow up happy, healthy, and have everything she needs, but not everything she wants. And I absolutely guarantee she’ll never doubt my resolve to follow-through on a consequence again.”
finally, someone stands up to these little gaks acting like fools on the internet. I would rather be put on a shooting gallery than say I hate my parents for anything as trivial as earning your room and board. these kids today really don't have an idea of how good they have it, free school, school buses, not having to walk through the driving snow,, not having to work if they don't want to, and yet they still don't appreciate what they have.
Ahtman wrote:There has been an update in this ongoing national crisis.
Late Thursday night, Jordan posted an update on his Facebook page:
"Do I regret doing it? No. Do I regret keeping it on Facebook long enough to cause this stir? Yes," he wrote. "However at this time I feel that if I took the post or the video down, I’d just make it appear that we’re running in shame from it, and we’re not."
He said he and Hannah discussed the incident -- and the video -- after she came home from school and together set the ground rules for her punishment. And then they sat down together at his computer to read some of the thousands of comments that have been posted on Facebook.
"At first it was upsetting," he wrote. "Then, as we read it became less so, eventually funny to both of us."
She wasn't impressed with the vitriol, and turned down her dad's offer to shoot her own response video. "
"For those that wondered, commented, criticized, and just in general wanted to know: My daughter came through it fine," he wrote in another status update. "Yes, she's in trouble, and yes, she's grounded, but that doesn't mean every moment of her life has to be miserable."
"My Facebook wall will never be the same again," he quipped. "And we’ll be OK as a family and she’ll grow up happy, healthy, and have everything she needs, but not everything she wants. And I absolutely guarantee she’ll never doubt my resolve to follow-through on a consequence again.”
I fight with my dad all the time and most cases fights are about similiar things like in op's video. While parent's actions seem to be justified he forgets one little thing his daughter had no choice over her life. It is her parents who chose to have a child, chose to give her food, roof on top of her head and a laptop. And they did this because they wanted to. It is like you donated food to a hungry person and after you have second thoughts you demand the food back. Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
Frazz, you come up with the most wonderful posts ever!
That dad is my hero ffs. Damn when I´m gonna be a dad some time in the far far distant future this vid will be well remembered lol
Hey, everyone, let's defend a psycho dad who solves personal relations issues by shooting stuff.
Then next week we can act all outraged about a psycho teen who solves personal relations issues by shooting stuff.
Mmmmm shoooooting stuff *drool*
So genius, what kind of desperate connection did you try to make between a calm and composed parent and his removal of a rebellious and disrespectful teens computer again?
By your logic if parents simply ground kids or take away their stuff rather then "destroy" them society is going to be swamped with hordes of stealing kids who lock people up all the time.
Nice try, try again!
Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
Are you for gakking real or simply just a 13 year old super naive ultra no-rules liberal?
I just don't think it needed to be public. Do the discipline, teach
the lesson. If she wants to make the punishment public, then let
her, but if it's the same crime again (disrespect), then re-do the
punishment or increase it. I don't know, I guess I don't think the
shaming needed to be so public.
illuknisaa wrote:I fight with my dad all the time and most cases fights are about similiar things like in op's video. While parent's actions seem to be justified he forgets one little thing his daughter had no choice over her life. It is her parents who chose to have a child, chose to give her food, roof on top of her head and a laptop. And they did this because they wanted to. It is like you donated food to a hungry person and after you have second thoughts you demand the food back. Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them to do or give any respect.
To the part i have bolded i have this to say. Are you a fething moron!??! I know if i did not give my parents any respect then come hell or high water i was in deep gak. I know when i ever have children and they even remotely act like they have no respect for myself, MY wife, MY parents or any of their elders, then they are going to be miserable for as long as it takes them to learn how to respect others.
And no mater what the hell you have as a rebutal you will be wrong!
The only way that respect is not deserving is if you get beaten for no reason whatsoever, which unfortunately does happen all to often, and by beaten i mean broken bones, lacerations, you know that gak where the kid winds up in foster care and the parent in jail (had to put this so i dont seem like some nutcase )
Da Boss wrote:I guess if I had a 45 I'd be looking for problems I could solve using it, too.
I was thinking the same thing. What shows your power like bullets? A samurai sword? That would have been wicked if he sliced the computer in half with a katana.
It's more of design and tradition over practicality. Just use an axe or a bat.
illuknisaa wrote:I fight with my dad all the time and most cases fights are about similiar things like in op's video. While parent's actions seem to be justified he forgets one little thing his daughter had no choice over her life. It is her parents who chose to have a child, chose to give her food, roof on top of her head and a laptop. And they did this because they wanted to. It is like you donated food to a hungry person and after you have second thoughts you demand the food back. Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
Aside from learning to respect authority figures in life, like your college professors, your bosses, the police, the IRS, etc....
You are going to be in the position of having to follow orders you don't like for your entire life. You can learn to cope and get along in life, or not learn to cope and spend long periods unemployed between craptatstic McJobs. Part of learning to cope is learning how to relate to your parents, since they are the FIRST authority figures you will have to deal with.
Incidentally, unless you are getting a 4.0 average in school you're gonna need some help from your parents to get into college. Piss them off enough and your little sister might get your college money instead.
malfred wrote:I just don't think it needed to be public. Do the discipline, teach
the lesson. If she wants to make the punishment public, then let
her, but if it's the same crime again (disrespect), then re-do the
punishment or increase it. I don't know, I guess I don't think the
shaming needed to be so public.
Part of teen's audacity came from cheered by peers, may it be peer pressure or just wanting attention.
The dad, by making the video public, beat her to her own game. Perhaps even earned some plus points
among his daughter's friends.
let this be the wake-up call that too many kids are being disrespectful gaks on the internet behind their backs, and it's the job of the parents to discipline these little brats.
that's the cross we bear for living in the first world. these kids today have no appreciation for what they have, and the people demonizing the father for doing his job are the same people who let their little hellions run loose in the supermarket.
not a big YFM fan, but this song fits the subject.
illuknisaa wrote:I fight with my dad all the time and most cases fights are about similiar things like in op's video. While parent's actions seem to be justified he forgets one little thing his daughter had no choice over her life. It is her parents who chose to have a child, chose to give her food, roof on top of her head and a laptop. And they did this because they wanted to. It is like you donated food to a hungry person and after you have second thoughts you demand the food back. Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
You know this is the exact overindulgent entitled teen attitude that is the cause of so many child "disappearances". Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect. Yeah well neither do parents for that matter besides "the basics". But they do or should and so should their children.
My parents and I fought because the didn't trust me because some of my siblings were donkey caves. I never did anything wrong, well not that they knew of, yet they still tried to treat me like I was in the gulag. That led to a lot of fights because I came home late intentionally, (10 o'clock really? I'm a Junior in Highschool the game isn't even over by then) just to show them I was fine and could handle it. You know what, all that time, you better believe I still did all my chores. We both knew we respected and loved each other and did more than fulfill our obligations to each other. Just because you don't see eye to eye on one subject is no reason to ruin a relationship with your family.
illuknisaa wrote:I fight with my dad all the time and most cases fights are about similiar things like in op's video. While parent's actions seem to be justified he forgets one little thing his daughter had no choice over her life. It is her parents who chose to have a child, chose to give her food, roof on top of her head and a laptop. And they did this because they wanted to. It is like you donated food to a hungry person and after you have second thoughts you demand the food back. Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
You know this is the exact overindulgent entitled teen attitude that is the cause of so many child "disappearances". Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect. Yeah well neither do parents for that matter besides "the basics". But they do or should and so should their children.
My parents and I fought because the didn't trust me because some of my siblings were donkey caves. I never did anything wrong, well not that they knew of, yet they still tried to treat me like I was in the gulag. That led to a lot of fights because I came home late intentionally, (10 o'clock really? I'm a Junior in Highschool the game isn't even over by then) just to show them I was fine and could handle it. You know what, all that time, you better believe I still did all my chores. We both knew we respected and loved each other and did more than fulfill our obligations to each other. Just because you don't see eye to eye on one subject is no reason to ruin a relationship with your family.
there's too much spoiling going on in today's society.
Automatically Appended Next Post: what I mean is, all these kids act like their parents owe them, but are totally useless around the house, yet ask for an allowanc and expensive material goods.
The man was livid. He also must be a chronomancer since he apparently went to college and high school simultaneously while working two jobs and volunteering as a firefighter all on his own. At very least the modern time requirements for those make it somewhere around a 30-35 hour day.
That said, I have mixed feelings about how he handled it. He made his point and she hopefully learned the lesson this time. At the same time, I wonder the point of getting that mad. We all vent and bitch about the boss. And to kids parents are the boss. Was she rude? yes. Was she exaggerating? yes. Was she doing something that no one else has done at 15? no. She's growing up and that means doing stupid stuff.
@ illukanisaa: Respect is earned, not given. Obedience and respect are far different circles. I will not go into specifics, but personal experience dictates that the two are not mutually inclusive. Obedience from fear leads to hatred. Obedience given with respect leads to love.
Surtur wrote:The man was livid. He also must be a chronomancer since he apparently went to college and high school simultaneously while working two jobs and volunteering as a firefighter all on his own. At very least the modern time requirements for those make it somewhere around a 30-35 hour day.
That said, I have mixed feelings about how he handled it. He made his point and she hopefully learned the lesson this time. At the same time, I wonder the point of getting that mad. We all vent and bitch about the boss. And to kids parents are the boss. Was she rude? yes. Was she exaggerating? yes. Was she doing something that no one else has done at 15? no. She's growing up and that means doing stupid stuff.
@ illukanisaa: Respect is earned, not given. Obedience and respect are far different circles. I will not go into specifics, but personal experience dictates that the two are not mutually inclusive. Obedience from fear leads to hatred. Obedience given with respect leads to love.
Well you said it better than I did. Too bad many parents don't.
At the same time, I wonder the point of getting that mad.
If you thought he was mad you will probably faint from shock when you happen to see someone actually raising their voice.
Oh my, I do delcare I be gettin the vapors! *faints*
Seriously though, he was madder than he led on. The stuttering was the big tip off. As well, the tone and mannerisms indicated anger. He was controlling his anger, but it was definitely there. Raising your voice isn't the real key to anger.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ illuknisaa: I believe I actually meant that comment for someone else, but I can't remember who now. I got confused and put your name instead by accident or I misread your post.
Sounds like a lovely video. You should see the response videos with it. Like there was an army reponse. And some jerks were talking about how people are tools of the government blah.
They guy did a punishment routine. I think the kid deserved everything she got.
We have her message, and his claims, and a gulf in between. Ultimately we have a guy somewhat struggling to deal with a rebellious kid. I wonder where she gets her attitude from given that he shoots things up to make a point.
Surtur wrote:The man was livid. He also must be a chronomancer since he apparently went to college and high school simultaneously while working two jobs and volunteering as a firefighter all on his own. At very least the modern time requirements for those make it somewhere around a 30-35 hour day.
Howard A Treesong wrote:What's your point? I'm not saying who gives the more accurate account, only that both appear quite headstrong.
That you pointed out we don't really have enough information to make reasonable conclusions and then you tried to make a statement on the situation without enough information.
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Billinator wrote:So uhm... How is she supposed to watch the video, when her dad shot her laptop dead? O.o
Do you think that was the only computer in that household?
I take it, you didn't catch the irony?
I take you you didn't realize there wasn't any there? Which is also not an ironic observation, either.
I think that this was not only a level-headed and reasonable response to a teenager venting, it's also extremely effective. Of all possible ways to address a problem behavior, strict punishment is the least likely to produce further desire for a youth to rebel. Finally, I think it teaches important lessons about how the appropriate reaction to feeling disrespected is destruction and the use of firearms.
All-in-all this is the single most reasonable, effective and mature way he could have reacted.
Seriously though, he was madder than he led on. The stuttering was the big tip off.
Seriously? Ok then...
Seriously you aren´t a psychologist with credentials enough to make such a statement and seriously simply being in front of a camera makes people nervous and stutter.
All-in-all this is the single most reasonable, effective and mature way he could have reacted.
Going to his FB site and reading about how the story unfolded and what happened between him and his daughter afterwards is great fun.
Basically, yes, it was the best thing he could have done and it worked wonders.
Howard A Treesong wrote:What's your point? I'm not saying who gives the more accurate account, only that both appear quite headstrong.
That you pointed out we don't really have enough information to make reasonable conclusions and then you tried to make a statement on the situation without enough information.
Actually I pointed out the disparity in their accounts of home life, I didn't rule out any conclusions being drawn at all. I don't see that as being incompatible with the observation that making a video of shooting stuff up as a means to discipline might suggest that both are quite strong personalities. It seems a bit of a stretch for you to try and make an issue out of it.
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Pyriel- wrote:
Seriously though, he was madder than he led on. The stuttering was the big tip off.
Seriously? Ok then...
Seriously you aren´t a psychologist with credentials enough to make such a statement and seriously simply being in front of a camera makes people nervous and stutter.
All-in-all this is the single most reasonable, effective and mature way he could have reacted.
Or he's not rehearsed/reading from a script. Talking continuously for 8 minutes or whatever and stumbling a few times isn't necessarily a sign he's shaking with fury. It's a lot more coherent than many Youtube videos anyway.
illuknisaa wrote:I fight with my dad all the time and most cases fights are about similiar things like in op's video. While parent's actions seem to be justified he forgets one little thing his daughter had no choice over her life. It is her parents who chose to have a child, chose to give her food, roof on top of her head and a laptop. And they did this because they wanted to. It is like you donated food to a hungry person and after you have second thoughts you demand the food back. Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
Sounds like the typical entitled attitude of children in this day and age. Maybe someday you'll grow up.
Howard A Treesong wrote: It seems a bit of a stretch for you to try and make an issue out of it.
It seems like a stretch becuase I am not making an issue out of it and you are trying to see it that way. I was agreeing that, fundamentally, we don't have enough information. I was just ribbing you a little becuase immediately after stating there was a huge gap in information you started trying to draw conclusions. It was the proximity of the two statements I found amusing, but not in a bad or mean way. I have tossed in my thoughts on the subject as well so I am I just as guilty. You apparently took it as some sort of accusation or inferred a mean spiritedness that wasn't there.
As a parent, I generally agree with how he handled this situation.
1. Punishment was promised for continued bad behavior.
2. Subject gets caught continuing bad behavior.
3. Punishment is meted out.
This isn't just a model for parenting, this is how society operates as well. Better to learn such lessons as a child where the punishment isn't long lasting and far reaching.
That said, I think shooting the laptop was a bit much, but that's mostly because I'm cheap and hate to see such a waste.
I didn't see it mentioned here, but the father found out when checking the family dog's facebook page. You see, the family has a facebook page for their dog. The daughter, in her infinite wisdom, blocked her family from her facebook page, but forgot to block the dog. When posting some new pictures to the dog's page, the father noticed the daughters update, and was able to read what she posted.
For those thinking that he shouldn't have posted this to her FB wall, I'm of mixed feelings. On the one hand, I'm not the type of person who enjoys airing dirty laundry to the public. On the other hand, if my child decides to pick a fight in a public space, it's likely that I will respond in the same venue. So I suppose I might have done something similar.
Andrew1975 wrote:That led to a lot of fights because I came home late intentionally, (10 o'clock really? I'm a Junior in Highschool the game isn't even over by then) just to show them I was fine and could handle it.
illuknisaa wrote:Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
Of course they do.
Your parents have an obligation to raise you in a safe and nurturing environment and teach you how to be an adult. You have an obligation to treat them with respect and trust and obey them.
When you are able to pay for your own living space and food you are an adult. Then you can treat other adults (including your parents) however you want.
As for the bit about parents having kids for their own benefit...just no.
biccat wrote:
Your parents have an obligation to raise you in a safe and nurturing environment and teach you how to be an adult. You have an obligation to treat them with respect and trust and obey them.
When you are able to pay for your own living space and food you are an adult. Then you can treat other adults (including your parents) however you want.
Shockingly, a parent-child relationship is not based on the equal exchange of services. Parents are obligated to their children by way of legal consequences, children are also obligated to their parents by legal consequences (ie. don't murder dad) but not in the sense of being required to trust, respect, or obey them.
Your child has no obligaltion to do anything you want them do or give any respect.
This is why teenage delinquency is such a huge problem in the UK (in my experience). Kids have no concept of respect these day and assume they deserve everything. This is why we have these sub-human, slum/ghetto animals running around, rioting, acting like they own the place. Murder, violence, mugging, thievery...they are all the same.
If kids have no obligation for respect...well if I was the parent, I would toss his ass out when I was legally able to, and shut down all support to him. Doesnt need me? Fine, live on the street then scum.
Mr Hyena wrote:
If kids have no obligation for respect...well if I was the parent, I would toss his ass out when I was legally able to, and shut down all support to him. Doesnt need me? Fine, live on the street then scum.
So, basically, your kid should respect you absent any evidence that you deserve respect, despite being created by your whim or accident?
Simply being a parent does not make you deserving of respect, you must demonstrate that you are by your actions that extend beyond procreation, at which point obligation comes into play...maybe.
Though I do find it funny that you're complaining about entitlement while expressing what seems to be a sense of entitlement.
"These damn kids think they're so entitled to things. But God damn it, I deserve respect!"
Mr Hyena wrote:If kids have no obligation for respect...well if I was the parent, I would toss his ass out when I was legally able to, and shut down all support to him. Doesnt need me? Fine, live on the street then scum.
And it's exactly why your kids (if/when you have them) probably wouldn't have problems with respect.
I like what he did. You want to play this game lil missy? Ok we are emancipating you.
Have a nice time out there, write if you pull your head out of your @ss.
Btw, I love how her mom said to shoot it once for her as well.
biccat wrote:
Your parents have an obligation to raise you in a safe and nurturing environment and teach you how to be an adult. You have an obligation to treat them with respect and trust and obey them.
When you are able to pay for your own living space and food you are an adult. Then you can treat other adults (including your parents) however you want.
Shockingly, a parent-child relationship is not based on the equal exchange of services. Parents are obligated to their children by way of legal consequences, children are also obligated to their parents by legal consequences (ie. don't murder dad) but not in the sense of being required to trust, respect, or obey them.
Wow. And I though MY childhood was rough... I can only imagine the kind of abuse you must have suffered to have such a cynical view of ALL parents.
Vulcan wrote:
Wow. And I though MY childhood was rough... I can only imagine the kind of abuse you must have suffered to have such a cynical view of ALL parents.
My parents are, and were, actually pretty awesome. They bought me beer in high school, let my girlfriend sleepover, bought me cool stuff, cosigned a number of loans, bought me a car (Though this was as much their convenience as mine.), etc. I'm just cynical in general, especially regarding morality.
That said it isn't my view of all parents, many parents are great, but any sense of obligation either they or their children feel, that is not based on law, is entirely individuated.
Well Ill agree to that, respect isnt a law. But I think any good parent will make sure that their children learn what respect is, and that it should be given to the parents. Also, I think maybe not all, but at least some of the blame, as far as disrespectful kids go, should lay at the parents feet. Obviously they failed to do their part in raising the child.
Obviously they failed to do their part in raising the child.
A sizable chunk needs to go to the school, society in general and the kid's friends (who have big impressions that parents can find difficult to counter)
I've read this man's facebook page and he sounds like an angry guy. Even his pre-this-video posts had some rough edges. So some of his daughter's attitude ought to be his own fault.
Of course, genuine child abuse is nothing like this and that laptop got what was coming.
This guy's a true ork. High technology? Someone pissed you off? Kids are runty in the body and in the mind? DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!!!!!
Obviously they failed to do their part in raising the child.
A sizable chunk needs to go to the school, society in general and the kid's friends (who have big impressions that parents can find difficult to counter)
Might be different in your neck of the woods, because here, I woulndnt blame the schools. Why? Because in the states, if a school faculty member did ANYTHING more then try to explain an assignment, then parents get sue happy. Im not saying its ok to back hand a disrespectful student, but Ive seen news reports in the past, where parents are suing teachers, for trying to break up fights. I mean, how can you blame a school system, when they literally would lose their jobs for trying?
. He's nothing to my Dad and Mom though - the wussy. 
But totally agree with the guy.
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