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http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/13/opinion/obeidallah-hate-valentines-day/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
Why I hate Valentine's Day
By Dean Obeidallah, Special to CNN
(CNN) -- Valentine's Day is terrible for two kinds of people -- those who are single and those who aren't.
For single people, the day is a disappointing reminder they don't have that "special someone" in their life. Not a fun feeling -- believe me, I've been there.
But personally I think it's worse for people in a relationship. Single people can choose to ignore Valentine's Day. However, if you're in a relationship, the last thing you want to do is ignore Valentine's Day -- believe me, I've been there, too.
Dean ObeidallahWhat may have started out as a holiday intended to bring couples together has been transformed into a commercial spectacle peddled to us by florists, greeting card companies, jewelry stores and makers of stuffed animals.
My issue is not with being romantic or expressing your feelings to the person you love. My issue is being required to do so on February 14. This date has zero connection to us. Each year on February 14 we are in essence commanded to be "romantic."
Shouldn't romance be organic -- sort of like a "Cialis moment"? That's the "moment" in the TV commercials for Cialis, the drug designed to combat erectile dysfunction -- where the couple is lifting a table together, their eyes meet, and bingo: It's a "Cialis moment." It may be drug-enhanced, but at least they chose the moment.
I understand that Valentine's Day earnestly purports to bring couples closer together. Great idea, but let's be honest, how many of you have had fights on Valentine's Day because of Valentine's Day?
I certainly have had my share, usually when one of us in the relationship (namely me) didn't buy a nice enough gift or put in enough time planning a special "VDay" activity -- thus, transforming Valentine's Day from a romantic evening for two into a scene from the film "The War of the Roses."
Recently I posed this simple question on Twitter: Do you love or hate Valentine's Day?
I expected to find a divide by gender: men bemoaning it and women cheering it. But the findings of my less-than-scientific survey surprised me.
For the most part, men were silent on the issue. But women not only responded in large numbers, they answered in a way I never expected: They too hate Valentine's Day.
Overwhelmingly, women were the ones who attacked the pomp and circumstance of this "day of love."
Here is a sampling of a few of the tweets I received from women:
I hate the colors, I hate cheap chocolate, I hate the pressure it puts on couples and singles, and Cupids are stupid
If you can't tell me you love me with flowers or candy on any day but Valentine's Day, see ya around buddy
To be honest i hate it cuz i dont have one!
It's one big commercialized scheme to buy overpriced red&pink crap, I never liked it nor will I ever
And then there's this woman's objection: I have to wear leopard lingerie although I hate it.
Ahh, the sacrifices we make for love. ...
Now, it's true that some men and women did express their support for the day. But they were far outnumbered by those who lamented Valentine's Day as artificial, contrived and absurdly overly commercialized.
Valentine's Day has a muddled history. Some historians claim it was created in 469 when Pope Gelasius declared February 14 a day to honor St. Valentine. One legend contends that Valentine was a Christian martyr executed for standing up to the Roman emperor who wanted to ban soldiers from getting married. Yet another tale claims he was executed because of his Christian beliefs and signed his farewell note to his beloved: "From Your Valentine."
While a third and more accepted belief is that the holiday marks the day that "birds begin to pair," which is the day they choose their mate. So somehow because birds picked February 14 to "get it on," I have to spend $100 on roses?
This tweet best sums up my sentiments: Why program couples into thinking Feb 14 is the only day they can express their feelings to 1 another?
I would love to organize an "Occupy Valentine's Day" movement. We would hold protests outside flower shops, Godiva chocolate factories and Build-A-Bear stores.
The protests would continue until these businesses stop bombarding us with commercials or until Valentine's Day is moved -- from February 14 to February 29 so that we are only compelled to observe it once every four years.
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Post by: Chowderhead
Just be Mat Ward.
He gets all of the Valentines!
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Post by: Ribon Fox
I have numerous reasons for disliking this so called holyday, not only was it made up by the card and confectionery companies, but it was also one of the worst days of my life.
As Kei from the Dirty Pair would say "What doesn't kill you just makes you more embittered and resentful towards it."
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Post by: Asherian Command
Plus today is the day. that all you see is ST. Valentine's head tumbling on the floor.
Anyway
I do hate it as well 
Every valetines day I am single. And I have been for the last 17 years.
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Post by: CptJake
I like it. Normally it is a day where my wife and I force ourselves to take time to enjoy each other and be more appreciative of each other. It is too easy to get caught up in the day to day crap and forget how much we mean to each other.
Of course since she is in Afghanistan today we don't get the chance to celebrate...
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Post by: Frazzled
Celebrate Valentine's Day by blowing up some insurgents?
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Post by: Sonophos
My partner and I don't do Valentines day. We roll dice to choose a special day each year. 3d100 + 3d20 If it falls on a public holiday or other occasion then it's the day after; if it falls outside the year then reroll.
I did consider a year planner and scatter dice.
Flowers and presents are cheaper this way and it is OUR special day not every one elses.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
I like it, any excuse for romance is good in my opinion.
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Post by: daedalus
We're doing valentine's day on Thursday instead of Tuesday. She's coming over tonight to cook me dinner.
Also, no cards. Hallmark can't express how I feel about someone better than I can. Chocolates are good, but only because chocolate is good. I may spring for flowers also.
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Post by: KingCracker
I dont make a big deal out of it, I tell my kids and wife happy Valentines day, and I usually make a special dinner for the wife. We did that yesterday though, because shes working tonight. It was fun grilling in snow and freezing my ass off.
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
Meh i dont see the point. Bloody load of commercial nonsense.
Whats wrong with being nice/special to your loved one all the time?
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Post by: Ribon Fox
Maybe GW should use to day as "Sanguinus's day  " 
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Post by: KingCracker
No, that would be national nipple day
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
Haha i wouldnt put it past 'em to try and squeeze more money from us
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Post by: Ribon Fox
Maybe I should writ a letter to GW's marketing department and tell them of this and then get loads of free stuff, I'm a genius!
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Post by: KingCracker
The problem with that, is thinking they will send you free stuff
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Post by: Easy E
My wife came up to me sometime last week and said, "Don;t do anythign for Valentine's Day, because I have too much to do."
I nodded like an idiot.
"No really. I mean it. This isn't some sort of joke or anything. I'm working."
I took her at her word.
I may never get to post on Dakka again.
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Post by: Ribon Fox
DAMN A FLOOR IN MY WELL CRAFTED PLAN!
I move to for a vote. Remove this unholy day that is nothing more than a celibration of getting stuff just becouse its feb 14th, to making it a day in which we remember the noble death of Sanguinus in witch we all wear the Blood Angle crest and all moop around saying stuff like "..he was the noblest of them all..." or "...he shall not be forgoten..."
What say all of you?
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Valentine's day always brings up bad memories for me. Don't have a valentine today, nor would I want to.
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Post by: Frazzled
Easy E wrote:My wife came up to me sometime last week and said, "Don;t do anythign for Valentine's Day, because I have too much to do."
I nodded like an idiot.
"No really. I mean it. This isn't some sort of joke or anything. I'm working."
I took her at her word.
I may never get to post on Dakka again.
They never really mean it. They mean, mean "don't get me a car, but you better get everything else or its your  ."
Even if you just get one flower, get something.
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Post by: Grakmar
Frazzled wrote:Easy E wrote:My wife came up to me sometime last week and said, "Don;t do anythign for Valentine's Day, because I have too much to do."
I nodded like an idiot.
"No really. I mean it. This isn't some sort of joke or anything. I'm working."
I took her at her word.
I may never get to post on Dakka again.
They never really mean it. They mean, mean "don't get me a car, but you better get everything else or its your ."
Even if you just get one flower, get something.
Agreed. What they mean when they say "I don't want you to get me anything for Valentine's/my birthday/Christmas/Thursday" is really "I desperately want you to get me something, but I want it to be because you want to and not because it's expected of you".
It's a mistake we all make once. Learn from it and never make it again.
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Post by: kronk
I'm cooking tonight. I cook all of the time, so this isn't anything special. We'll also have a bottle of wine, but that's nothing new, either.
Just enjoy it as another day to spend together. No need to make a big deal out of it whether you like it or hate it.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
Single and getting drunk! Dunno if I love this day yet
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Post by: Sonophos
Easy E wrote:My wife came up to me sometime last week and said, "Don;t do anythign for Valentine's Day, because I have too much to do."
I nodded like an idiot.
"No really. I mean it. This isn't some sort of joke or anything. I'm working."
I took her at her word.
I may never get to post on Dakka again.
Explain to her that relationships are based on trust and honesty.
She lied to you and you get the blame?!
I can see more than a little inequity here. Maybe what she meant is that she didn't want to get you anything.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
Vitruvian XVII wrote:
Whats wrong with being nice/special to your loved one all the time?
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I hear this a LOT and it doesn't have wind me up, have you ever tried being special all the time? It simply doesn't work.
Valentines day (like anniversaries) is a great excuse to do something out of the ordinary for someone you love, sure you can do it any time but you sure as hell can't do it all the time.
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Post by: Frazzled
Sonophos wrote:
Explain to her that relationships are based on trust and honesty.
Wo wo wo who fed you that line? 
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Post by: hotsauceman1
My valentines day involves work, school movie for school and math.
Also my cousin invented something called the"Valentines FairY"
For her kids so they can get some valentines.
Im not sure how i feel about this.
But i cannot say how much i hate this holiday.
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Post by: Sonophos
Frazzled wrote:Sonophos wrote:
Explain to her that relationships are based on the illusion trust and honesty.
Wo wo wo who fed you that line?
There Frazzled. I fix'd it for you.
For myself and my partner we go on actual truth and honesty. I do not fear telling my partner the truth nor do I keep secrets anything less just gets me too uptight.
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Post by: mega_bassist
I like Valentine's day. As CptJake said, we live super busy lives and it's a nice way to slow down and really show our appreciation towards the other person. I'm not big into the card/candy bit, maybe a few flowers though. I love to make my woman her favorite dinner, though.
My only problem this year is that my valentine is stuck working overnight from 4pm to 4am...
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Post by: KingCracker
Just another excuse to get some booty, ammirite guys?! Eh?! *nudge nudge*
That was terrible, Im sorry
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
I flipped the coin this year. I encouraged a strict 30 dollar or less limit, then got her diamond earrings. SEE HOW IT FEELS!
She loved them, btw 
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Post by: Frazzled
Now you're screwed. How are you going to top that next year boyo?
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Post by: KingCracker
Maybe they were fake? Its easy to top fake ones next year
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
Frazzled wrote:Now you're screwed. How are you going to top that next year boyo?
He is going to steal them and then "Honey you know those earrings I gave you special last year? Well I felt so bad that YOU lost them that I bought you these...."
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Post by: powerclaw
Johnny-Crass wrote:Single and getting drunk! Dunno if I love this day yet
Haha, that's the spirit. Never say you don't like something until you've tried it drunk  Also, if the gamer boys (who are, on average, more content to spend time alone than the average human being) are feeling in need of love, imagine how all the single women/girls around you feel.
1. Buy a single rose, preferably red
2. You know that single girl with the great smile you may or may not know, ask her out on a simple date. No pressure. You're just looking for a way to spend today that doesn't involve a tub of ice cream
3. Have a good time
4. Don't turn into a slimeball towards the end
I guarantee you'll have at least made a friend over your mutual hatered of being reminded that you're single. Speaking from experiance.
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Post by: dogma
powerclaw wrote:
Haha, that's the spirit. Never say you don't like something until you've tried it drunk Also, if the gamer boys (who are, on average, more content to spend time alone than the average human being) are feeling in need of love, imagine how all the single women/girls around you feel.
1. Buy a single rose, preferably red
2. You know that single girl with the great smile you may or may not know, ask her out on a simple date. No pressure. You're just looking for a way to spend today that doesn't involve a tub of ice cream
3. Have a good time
4. Don't turn into a slimeball towards the end
I guarantee you'll have at least made a friend over your mutual hatered of being reminded that you're single. Speaking from experiance.
This is...actually good advice (I'd skip the rose, though.). You don't even have to know the girl, unless she's a total bitch she'll appreciate the gesture, and probably be flattered. It even works when it isn't V-day.
On my end, I hate V-day because it cost me 300 USD to have flowers sent across the Atlantic.
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Post by: daedalus
powerclaw wrote:Johnny-Crass wrote:Single and getting drunk! Dunno if I love this day yet
Haha, that's the spirit. Never say you don't like something until you've tried it drunk Also, if the gamer boys (who are, on average, more content to spend time alone than the average human being) are feeling in need of love, imagine how all the single women/girls around you feel.
1. Buy a single rose, preferably red
2. You know that single girl with the great smile you may or may not know, ask her out on a simple date. No pressure. You're just looking for a way to spend today that doesn't involve a tub of ice cream
3. Have a good time
4. Don't turn into a slimeball towards the end
I guarantee you'll have at least made a friend over your mutual hatered of being reminded that you're single. Speaking from experiance.
That's no good. You left the part out where you punch her in the face while screaming "it's over 9000".
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Post by: timetowaste85
Valentines day is the most worthless day ever and its celebrants can burn in khorne's holy fires.
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Post by: dogma
timetowaste85 wrote:Valentines day is the most worthless day ever and its celebrants can burn in khorne's holy fires.
It had to be done, it was obligatory.
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Post by: KingCracker
timetowaste85 wrote:Valentines day is the most worthless day ever and its celebrants can burn in khorne's holy fires.
I dunno, I think Thursdays are kindda worthless myself
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Post by: TheRobotLol
timetowaste85 wrote:Valentines day is the most worthless day ever and its celebrants can burn in khorne's holy fires.
Yes brother, yes
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
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Post by: Ribon Fox
Johnny-Crass wrote:
I like that
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Post by: TheRobotLol
Johnny-Crass wrote:
TRUE story.
Don't judge me.
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Post by: purplefood
I like it...
I mean, there are people who claim it's companies just manipulating people and such (Fairly true) but it's still nice to do it...
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Post by: Coolyo294
KingCracker wrote:timetowaste85 wrote:Valentines day is the most worthless day ever and its celebrants can burn in khorne's holy fires.
I dunno, I think Thursdays are kindda worthless myself
But thursdays are gaming night at my FLGS.
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Post by: KingCracker
Coolyo294 wrote:KingCracker wrote:timetowaste85 wrote:Valentines day is the most worthless day ever and its celebrants can burn in khorne's holy fires.
I dunno, I think Thursdays are kindda worthless myself
But thursdays are gaming night at my FLGS.
Well Im not the President of the Universe Coolyo You can continue to enjoy your Thursdays, they are just very bland and dull for ol KC. No bills, so no reasons to hate it, no paychecks, or groceries, so no reason to love it. You know...just a day
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
We don't really do Valentine's day. We used to get each other a card but stopped bothering because of the cost of these cards. When studying I used to be paid quarterly, and middle of February was not a time to be spending £5-10 on a couple of cards. So we stopped doing it and just concentrated on having something nice to eat at home.
This year the wife found an event at the Huntarian Museum in the Royal College of Surgeons. There were couples there, but there seems to be singles and some people who were just groups of friends. There were a few talks and we each got to make a cuddly toy of a microbe. Picture enclosed below. Mine is the green one.
Then we got to walk around the museum which is full of grotesque things in pickle jars. Various organs and tumours and inflamed tissues pickled and stored for perpetuity. The collection of foetuses was particularly grim. They also had the skeleton of a chap called Charles Byrne who was 7' 7". All in all a more interesting Valentines than most I imagine!
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Post by: TheRobotLol
Howard A Treesong wrote:We don't really do Valentine's day. We used to get each other a card but stopped bothering because of the cost of these cards. When studying I used to be paid quarterly, and middle of February was not a time to be spending £5-10 on a couple of cards. So we stopped doing it and just concentrated on having something nice to eat at home.
This year the wife found an event at the Huntarian Museum in the Royal College of Surgeons. There were couples there, but there seems to be singles and some people who were just groups of friends. There were a few talks and we each got to make a cuddly toy of a microbe. Picture enclosed below. Mine is the green one.
Then we got to walk around the museum which is full of grotesque things in pickle jars. Various organs and tumours and inflamed tissues pickled and stored for perpetuity. The collection of foetuses was particularly grim. They also had the skeleton of a chap called Charles Byrne who was 7' 7". All in all a more interesting Valentines than most I imagine!
Whoa, Dem microbes are amazing 
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Post by: Stormrider
dogma wrote:timetowaste85 wrote:Valentines day is the most worthless day ever and its celebrants can burn in khorne's holy fires.
It had to be done, it was obligatory.
Transgression against physics if it wasn't.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Why would we celebrate the day when someone got executed for marrying multiple women? Don't Believe me look up ST. Valentine and you will see. Lets wait a second....
OMG really?
Ya. Really. He was executed on February 14, 269. How does that make people feel if they found out why people celebrated it?
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Post by: dralith
I hate valentine's day because every year I have to listen to people bitching about valentine's day. Build a bridge and get over it!
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Post by: Asherian Command
dralith wrote:I hate valentine's day because every year I have to listen to people bitching about valentine's day. Build a bridge and get over it!
'
Or they could, you know jump over it.
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Post by: DickBandit
It's like "Christmas Spirit", ya know the ONLY part of the year for people to be considerate.
"But it's Christmas! Be nice!"
So the rest of the year that gak goes out the window? People... I fething swear.
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Post by: Asherian Command
DickBandit wrote:It's like "Christmas Spirit", ya know the ONLY part of the year for people to be considerate.
"But it's Christmas! Be nice!"
So the rest of the year that gak goes out the window? People... I fething swear.
Asherian approves  Why is that the most truest statement I've seen on this thread?
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Post by: dogma
Asherian Command wrote:Why would we celebrate the day when someone got executed for marrying multiple women? Don't Believe me look up ST. Valentine and you will see. Lets wait a second....
OMG really?
Ya. Really. He was executed on February 14, 269. How does that make people feel if they found out why people celebrated it?
There were several Saints named Valentine.
The romantic bit comes from Chaucer, though.
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Post by: infinite_array
dogma wrote:
Basically. Let's see who I've been spending the day with:
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Post by: Asherian Command
Oh dear this thread is going to die faster than expected XD
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
Next year we're going with a "toy" theme. We'll probably get a machine we otherwise couldn't justify. There's not just one scale, it's also possible to move laterally.
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Post by: dogma
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Next year we're going with a "toy" theme.
Kinky.
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Post by: Necroshea
>>That feeling of being surrounded by friends pissing and moaning because they're alone, while you're so independent you'd rather just remain single and still be perfectly happy.
Feels good man.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Valentines this year was miserable for me, my gf is 200-300 miles away from me and I miss her SO DAMN MUCH. :(
I got her flowers and wrote her a note, had her in tears she thought it so sweet, now that was great
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Post by: Asherian Command
Necroshea wrote:>>That feeling of being surrounded by friends pissing and moaning because they're alone, while you're so independent you'd rather just remain single and still be perfectly happy.
Feels good man.
It does mate. Now I will be drinking to myself.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
Well today went fairly well. It is easy to pick up single ladies on V-Day
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Post by: remilia_scarlet
I love valentines day, personally. I just hate expensive chocolates.
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Post by: dogma
remilia_scarlet wrote:I love valentines day, personally. I just hate expensive chocolates.
Do you hate paying for them, or do you just hate them?
Expensive chocolate is pretty rad in my opinion.
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Post by: sebster
Fiancé said she didn't want anything for Valentine's, and I said okay. I work in an area that has a bunch of commercial gardens selling flowers in crappy tin sheds, and I noticed the big queues at each of these things as I drove to work, and figured I might get the future mrs sebster something on the way home.
I dropped in to one of these places on the way home, parking about 100m away because of all the other dudes there buying flowers, and go into this shed, looking through whatever stock is left, along with about 50 other dudes. Some are picking out specific bunches coz they know what their GF wants, some are just grabbing bunches at random, but it seems like most are complaining that there aren't any roses left. It just starts feeling really wrong, like I’m just doing some last minute, half assed thing because it's expected, and I leave.
I get home and Valentine's Day doesn't come up. I pretty much forgot all about it until this thread.
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Post by: Fafnir
As much as I make a point of not caring about Valentine's day, I do dislike how it kind of beats upon your head how single you are.
I've come to grow tired of being "that guy" among my friends, and Valentines day only exemplifies it further.
It kind of just sucks for everyone, no matter who you are and what your point of view is. We just do it because everyone else does it.
On the other hand, Name that Tune night was a blast.
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Post by: Nerivant
I got a heart.
Made out of bacon.
Damn fine day.
Except for the fact that it was an almost-empty gesture and I'm still terribly alone.
But still, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacon.
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Post by: Ribon Fox
dogma wrote:remilia_scarlet wrote:I love valentines day, personally. I just hate expensive chocolates.
Do you hate paying for them, or do you just hate them?
Expensive chocolate is pretty rad in my opinion.
FYI expensive chocolates are the same as the cheep stuff (althoew there is cheep and then there is CHEEP). I should know I was hocking them all weekend (never felt so uncleen in my life and i've done some stuff). What you are paying for is the wrapping and the brand name. Mostly the name.
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Post by: Sonophos
Ribon Fox wrote:dogma wrote:remilia_scarlet wrote:I love valentines day, personally. I just hate expensive chocolates.
Do you hate paying for them, or do you just hate them?
Expensive chocolate is pretty rad in my opinion.
FYI expensive chocolates are the same as the cheep stuff (althoew there is cheep and then there is CHEEP). I should know I was hocking them all weekend (never felt so uncleen in my life and i've done some stuff). What you are paying for is the wrapping and the brand name. Mostly the name.
So you work in a Thornton's store then?
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Post by: Lone Cat
KingCracker wrote:No, that would be national nipple day
real.
Here in Thailand. it is referred to as 'Sex&the City' day =^.^= .the Conservatives tried (in vain?) to stops the teen couples from that premature sex (and to be honest, those teens are below 18 !)
for me i'm still remain single. mew! a lonly kitten without a white kylie girl. mew!
Does anyone gets any ' St. Valentine's day Massacre'?
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Post by: Ribon Fox
Sonophos wrote:Ribon Fox wrote:dogma wrote:remilia_scarlet wrote:I love valentines day, personally. I just hate expensive chocolates.
Do you hate paying for them, or do you just hate them?
Expensive chocolate is pretty rad in my opinion.
FYI expensive chocolates are the same as the cheep stuff (althoew there is cheep and then there is CHEEP). I should know I was hocking them all weekend (never felt so uncleen in my life and i've done some stuff). What you are paying for is the wrapping and the brand name. Mostly the name.
So you work in a Thornton's store then?
I was promoting the Lintt Lindor stuff as well as the Thornton's stuff.
I stand in Asda and try to give people free stuff, "You you like to try?" gave way to, "Free chocolate!"
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Post by: Monster Rain
Ribon Fox wrote:FYI expensive chocolates are the same as the cheep stuff (althoew there is cheep and then there is CHEEP).
This isn't accurate, for esoteric, and quite frankly, boring reasons to those who don't have a vested interest in culinary matters.
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Post by: notprop
sebster wrote:Fiancé said she didn't want anything for Valentine's, and I said okay. ...........
I get home and Valentine's Day doesn't come up. I pretty much forgot all about it until this thread.
Almost this.
Except she had bought me a jumper as a surprise (well confiscated one I bought myself on Saturday) and moaned about not having anything in return.
Talk about moving the frickin' goal posts.
An evening of frosty looks and complaints ensued. Thanks for that Card Companies thank push this gak. 
She was as if nothing happened this morning! 
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Post by: Azza007
Never had a date for valentines, always broken up just before or got together just after, never on the actual day. Thats fine, buy chocolate for myself then.
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Post by: Frazzled
I was informed GC came home with a Valentine's Day balloon. I don't know to be happy or way over the top Overprotective Dad.
Who'm I kidding, when in doubt default to Danger! Over Protective Father! 
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Post by: TheRobotLol
Well valentines day is over and will be back in 364 days. Get over it. Its in a LONG time.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh, and expensive chocolates are, like, epic. I could do with some...
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Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti
Used to hate valentines cos my ex was a
However this one was AWESOME!!! My current lady friend is the bomb
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Post by: CallsignNeptune
As my partner suffers from a chronic illness we have to take Valentines day as it comes. Yesterday, she wasn't well and so we had to essentially 'cancel' the day, however we prepare for days like those and go out for dinner on the days beforehand or after when she is well. When you are in a long term marriage type relationship it is very easy to forget how much the other person means to you, so I enjoy Valentines day. It reminds us both how lucky we are and how much we love each other, through thick and thin.
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Post by: Easy E
So, today is the day after V-Day. You may recall my wife told me not to do anythign because she would be working, and like and idiot I believed her?
She was working all night and it didn't come up at all. So, she was telling me the truth after all.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
You know how I would be spending this day Han style? Turns out about half way through I lied to you, then I lied to you again and then before the day was out I lied to you again again!
Also Easy E how are we sure that is not your wife posting to cover up your murder?
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Post by: kronk
First V-Day with new GF. I cooked. We had wine. I bought chocolate covered strawberries. Turns out she loves them.
All in all, an excellent evening.
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Post by: filbert
We had some tapas and watched Fletch. It was most enjoyable.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
I like Russel Stover and Dove, so medium-cheap chocolate for me. Godiva is just... not that pleasing to me. Every once in a while you just need a Hershey bar though.
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Post by: Sonophos
Frazzled wrote:I was informed GC came home with a Valentine's Day balloon. I don't know to be happy or way over the top Overprotective Dad.
Who'm I kidding, when in doubt default to Danger! Over Protective Father!
I am soooo looking forward to intimidating my daughter's BFs.
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Post by: Frazzled
You have to enjoy the little things.
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Post by: Sonophos
Thinking about it and considering my daughter's temprement I think I will thoroughly disapprove of the good ones.
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Post by: CptJake
Actual conversation with 9 year old daughter yesterday:
Daughter (D): Is it true that before a boy can kiss me you have to meet him and get to know him?
Me: Uh, yeah, aren't you a little young to be worried about that?
D: I know I have to wait until I'm 19, I'm just checking.
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Post by: Sonophos
Awww...
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Post by: Frazzled
CptJake wrote:Actual conversation with 9 year old daughter yesterday:
Daughter (D): Is it true that before a boy can kiss me you have to meet him and get to know him?
Me: Uh, yeah, aren't you a little young to be worried about that?
D: I know I have to wait until I'm 19, I'm just checking.
Actual conversation, Christmas Day years past.
Frazzled, opening a heavy box: "A Remington shotgun! Excellent! "
Frazzled Sr.: "Its not for you. Its for Genghis Connie."
Frazzled - looking at GC crawling by: "er she's a little small to swing a shotgun."
She Who Must Be Obeyed: "Its for her boyfriends."
Frazzled Sr. "Have fun."
Frazzled" oh, I will. I will...."
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Post by: TheRobotLol
Frazzled wrote:CptJake wrote:Actual conversation with 9 year old daughter yesterday:
Daughter (D): Is it true that before a boy can kiss me you have to meet him and get to know him?
Me: Uh, yeah, aren't you a little young to be worried about that?
D: I know I have to wait until I'm 19, I'm just checking.
Actual conversation, Christmas Day years past.
Frazzled, opening a heavy box: "A Remington shotgun! Excellent! "
Frazzled Sr.: "Its not for you. Its for Genghis Connie."
Frazzled - looking at GC crawling by: "er she's a little small to swing a shotgun."
She Who Must Be Obeyed: "Its for her boyfriends."
Frazzled Sr. "Have fun."
Frazzled" oh, I will. I will...."
Who IS Genghis Connie?
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Post by: Frazzled
TheRobotLol wrote:Frazzled wrote:CptJake wrote:Actual conversation with 9 year old daughter yesterday:
Daughter (D): Is it true that before a boy can kiss me you have to meet him and get to know him?
Me: Uh, yeah, aren't you a little young to be worried about that?
D: I know I have to wait until I'm 19, I'm just checking.
Actual conversation, Christmas Day years past. Frazzled, opening a heavy box: "A Remington shotgun! Excellent! " Frazzled Sr.: "Its not for you. Its for Genghis Connie." Frazzled - looking at GC crawling by: "er she's a little small to swing a shotgun." She Who Must Be Obeyed: "Its for her boyfriends." Frazzled Sr. "Have fun." Frazzled" oh, I will. I will...."
Who IS Genghis Connie?
The future Empress of Known Space, presently gracing the 7th grade with her august presence. In the future you will love her and despair. OR ELSE! Look at the signature line.
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Post by: TheRobotLol
Frazzled wrote:TheRobotLol wrote:Frazzled wrote:CptJake wrote:Actual conversation with 9 year old daughter yesterday:
Daughter (D): Is it true that before a boy can kiss me you have to meet him and get to know him?
Me: Uh, yeah, aren't you a little young to be worried about that?
D: I know I have to wait until I'm 19, I'm just checking.
Actual conversation, Christmas Day years past.
Frazzled, opening a heavy box: "A Remington shotgun! Excellent! "
Frazzled Sr.: "Its not for you. Its for Genghis Connie."
Frazzled - looking at GC crawling by: "er she's a little small to swing a shotgun."
She Who Must Be Obeyed: "Its for her boyfriends."
Frazzled Sr. "Have fun."
Frazzled" oh, I will. I will...."
Who IS Genghis Connie?
The future Empress of Known Space, presently gracing the 7th grade with her august presence. In the future you will love her and despair. OR ELSE!
Look at the signature line.
Ohhh, makes sense.
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Post by: Grakmar
TheRobotLol wrote:Frazzled wrote:
The future Empress of Known Space, presently gracing the 7th grade with her august presence. In the future you will love her and despair. OR ELSE!
Look at the signature line.
Ohhh, makes sense.
It does? When Frazzled talks about his family, I struggle to figure out if he's talking about his kids or his dogs.
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Post by: CptJake
We have also had this conversation:
D: Are you going to scare any boys that try to like me?
Me: Depends, I don't think I'm that scary.
D: Well, sometimes you can be very scary and mean to people you don't like.
Me: Then any boys better hope I like them.
D: Good point.
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Post by: Frazzled
Grakmar wrote:TheRobotLol wrote:Frazzled wrote:
The future Empress of Known Space, presently gracing the 7th grade with her august presence. In the future you will love her and despair. OR ELSE!
Look at the signature line.
Ohhh, makes sense.
It does? When Frazzled talks about his family, I struggle to figure out if he's talking about his kids or his dogs.
Four legged or two legged, young or ancient, hana means family. Automatically Appended Next Post: CptJake wrote:We have also had this conversation:
D: Are you going to scare any boys that try to like me?
Me: Depends, I don't think I'm that scary.
D: Well, sometimes you can be very scary and mean to people you don't like.
Me: Then any boys better hope I like them.
D: Good point.
Excellent!!!!
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Post by: rockerbikie
Valentine's Day is a joke. You don't need an excuse for Romance. It also leads to sevre depression and cutting problems for me on the day.
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Post by: CptJake
rockerbikie wrote:Valentine's Day is a joke. You don't need an excuse for Romance. It also leads to sevre depression and cutting problems for me on the day.
Sound like you have issues that go beyond Valentine's Day. I suspect you get those worked out and the day ends up not being a joke.
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Post by: rockerbikie
CptJake wrote:rockerbikie wrote:Valentine's Day is a joke. You don't need an excuse for Romance. It also leads to sevre depression and cutting problems for me on the day.
Sound like you have issues that go beyond Valentine's Day. I suspect you get those worked out and the day ends up not being a joke.
Borderline Personality Disorder and Depression is not easy to fix.
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Post by: Luco
Ah Valentine's Day otherwise known as the Day I Stay Inside. Seriously, its a pathetic excuse for sappy feths to make out in public. .
Otherwise it just reminds succeeds in me that it was closest I ever came to succeeding at offing myself and lights up the part of my brain that never managed to escape that time.
On the plus side it means that St. Patrick's is right around the corner which means attempting to cook some recipe I found online that claims to be Irish and eating it with a pint or two of stout. Happy day.
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Post by: dogma
Frazzled wrote:
Actual conversation, Christmas Day years past.
Frazzled, opening a heavy box: "A Remington shotgun! Excellent! "
Frazzled Sr.: "Its not for you. Its for Genghis Connie."
Frazzled - looking at GC crawling by: "er she's a little small to swing a shotgun."
She Who Must Be Obeyed: "Its for her boyfriends."
Frazzled Sr. "Have fun."
Frazzled" oh, I will. I will...."
Having been on the receiving end of the "shotgun talk", its not as intimidating as you guys think it is. You basically have the choice to play along, and act scared, be dismissive, or be antagonistic. I actually got the best results out of being dismissive. Antagonism just creates a rivalry, and appearing scared just encourages it.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
dogma wrote:Frazzled wrote:
Actual conversation, Christmas Day years past.
Frazzled, opening a heavy box: "A Remington shotgun! Excellent! "
Frazzled Sr.: "Its not for you. Its for Genghis Connie."
Frazzled - looking at GC crawling by: "er she's a little small to swing a shotgun."
She Who Must Be Obeyed: "Its for her boyfriends."
Frazzled Sr. "Have fun."
Frazzled" oh, I will. I will...."
Having been on the receiving end of the "shotgun talk", its not as intimidating as you guys think it is. You basically have the choice to play along, and act scared, be dismissive, or be antagonistic. I actually got the best results out of being dismissive. Antagonism just creates a rivalry, and appearing scared just encourages it.
Nah mate I have stood in those shoes and maybe it is punkish stupidity but I just laughed told his daughter I was leaving and if she wanted to come with she could. She came along and he looked like he just got punched in the face. Guns aint scary when they are wielded by gutless dads
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Post by: CptJake
rockerbikie wrote:CptJake wrote:rockerbikie wrote:Valentine's Day is a joke. You don't need an excuse for Romance. It also leads to sevre depression and cutting problems for me on the day.
Sound like you have issues that go beyond Valentine's Day. I suspect you get those worked out and the day ends up not being a joke.
Borderline Personality Disorder and Depression is not easy to fix.
Hopefully you are getting the help you need, and doin what the Doc tells you to. If not, it never gets better.
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Post by: rockerbikie
CptJake wrote:rockerbikie wrote:CptJake wrote:rockerbikie wrote:Valentine's Day is a joke. You don't need an excuse for Romance. It also leads to sevre depression and cutting problems for me on the day.
Sound like you have issues that go beyond Valentine's Day. I suspect you get those worked out and the day ends up not being a joke.
Borderline Personality Disorder and Depression is not easy to fix.
Hopefully you are getting the help you need, and doin what the Doc tells you to. If not, it never gets better.
I'm trying but it is very hard.
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Post by: KingCracker
Asherian Command wrote:Why would we celebrate the day when someone got executed for marrying multiple women? Don't Believe me look up ST. Valentine and you will see. Lets wait a second....
OMG really?
Ya. Really. He was executed on February 14, 269. How does that make people feel if they found out why people celebrated it?
Makes me wonder why Morman practice hasnt caught on yet
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Frazzled wrote:CptJake wrote:Actual conversation with 9 year old daughter yesterday:
Daughter (D): Is it true that before a boy can kiss me you have to meet him and get to know him?
Me: Uh, yeah, aren't you a little young to be worried about that?
D: I know I have to wait until I'm 19, I'm just checking.
Actual conversation, Christmas Day years past.
Frazzled, opening a heavy box: "A Remington shotgun! Excellent! "
Frazzled Sr.: "Its not for you. Its for Genghis Connie."
Frazzled - looking at GC crawling by: "er she's a little small to swing a shotgun."
She Who Must Be Obeyed: "Its for her boyfriends."
Frazzled Sr. "Have fun."
Frazzled" oh, I will. I will...."
So, Like what? You shoot the guy you dont like dating your little girl? Then what? If he survives he files charges, If you kill him you go to jail while leaving your family behind. Thats why shotgun talks dont work.
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Post by: Hyd
powerclaw wrote:imagine how all the single women/girls around you feel.
There is no such thing as a single lady. They are well-inserted members of society, after all.
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Post by: Frazzled
I surprised the wife with a new lap top five days after. Yea me! Automatically Appended Next Post: hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:CptJake wrote:Actual conversation with 9 year old daughter yesterday:
Daughter (D): Is it true that before a boy can kiss me you have to meet him and get to know him?
Me: Uh, yeah, aren't you a little young to be worried about that?
D: I know I have to wait until I'm 19, I'm just checking.
Actual conversation, Christmas Day years past.
Frazzled, opening a heavy box: "A Remington shotgun! Excellent! "
Frazzled Sr.: "Its not for you. Its for Genghis Connie."
Frazzled - looking at GC crawling by: "er she's a little small to swing a shotgun."
She Who Must Be Obeyed: "Its for her boyfriends."
Frazzled Sr. "Have fun."
Frazzled" oh, I will. I will...."
So, Like what? You shoot the guy you dont like dating your little girl? Then what? If he survives he files charges, If you kill him you go to jail while leaving your family behind. Thats why shotgun talks dont work.
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
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Post by: Stormrider
Hyd wrote:powerclaw wrote:imagine how all the single women/girls around you feel.
There is no such thing as a single lady. They are well-inserted members of society, after all.
I lol'd!
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
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Post by: Sonophos
hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
If you don't like him you invite him in for a cuppa and put contact solution in it (It's a laxative with ~2hr delay) and protect your daughter's virtue by chemical means.
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Post by: Albatross
Breakfast in bed, a nice bunch of roses, a card, chocolates and a nice meal later on.
Yes, believe it or not, I am the romantic type.
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Post by: dogma
Albatross wrote:Breakfast in bed, a nice bunch of roses, a card, chocolates and a nice meal later on.
Yes, believe it or not, I am the romantic type.
You forgot the shag.
(Insert Austin Powers/Elizabeth Hurley end scene*)
Of course, as we all know, there are no British women, only fembots.
*Edit: I forgot about the drawing.
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Post by: Electro
Sonophos wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
If you don't like him you invite him in for a cuppa and put contact solution in it (It's a laxative with ~2hr delay) and protect your daughter's virtue by chemical means.
And if anyone tryed any of that with my son (or daughter) they would have the police to deal with. Bullying and poisening a teenager. Ye, real big...
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Post by: Albatross
dogma wrote:Albatross wrote:Breakfast in bed, a nice bunch of roses, a card, chocolates and a nice meal later on.
Yes, believe it or not, I am the romantic type.
You forgot the shag.
Did I, baby? Did I really?
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Post by: Sonophos
Electro wrote:Sonophos wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
If you don't like him you invite him in for a cuppa and put contact solution in it (It's a laxative with ~2hr delay) and protect your daughter's virtue by chemical means.
And if anyone tryed any of that with my son (or daughter) they would have the police to deal with. Bullying and poisening a teenager. Ye, real big...
Is a joke! Jeez. I find threatening people with guns repugnant but you don't see me jumping up and down about it here.
Oh, and dealing with fathers like that is a mark of manhood in a way. If you pee your pants in the face of it you don't have any stones and don't deserve the girl. I have been through it, it didn't scare me and as a result I got on with their dads better than boys who wimped it.
If a boy is taking my daughter out I want him to be able to stand up for himself and my daughter should he need to (not that my daughter wont be taught to look after herself).
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Post by: Frazzled
hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote: You so funny (and definitely not a dad). Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life. My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles. "Thats weird." "This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
Then he doesn't come back. I'm sorry, find me the teenager who doesn't care about a shotgun, and I'll show you: 1) a priest; or 2) someone not long for this earth. What exactly are you arguing?
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
Frazzled wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
Then he doesn't come back.
I'm sorry, find me the teenager who doesn't care about a shotgun, and I'll show you: 1) a priest; or 2) someone not long for this earth. What exactly are you arguing?
I think he means "what if he isn't bothered by the shotgun talk" rather than what if he doesn't care about shotguns.
I myself love shotguns yet a shotgun talk is unlikely to bother me, if I'm meeting the parents then it's at least a semi-serious relationship so I don't need threats to treat her right. I say her as somehow I don't quite imagine the fathers of men giving me shotgun talks.
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Post by: Frazzled
Sonophos wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
If you don't like him you invite him in for a cuppa and put contact solution in it (It's a laxative with ~2hr delay) and protect your daughter's virtue by chemical means.
Close. You invite him in, then you open the gate to Team Wienie. Some have compared that to the gates of hell. Those people are optimists.
 Automatically Appended Next Post: Sonophos wrote:Electro wrote:Sonophos wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
If you don't like him you invite him in for a cuppa and put contact solution in it (It's a laxative with ~2hr delay) and protect your daughter's virtue by chemical means.
And if anyone tryed any of that with my son (or daughter) they would have the police to deal with. Bullying and poisening a teenager. Ye, real big...
Is a joke! Jeez. I find threatening people with guns repugnant but you don't see me jumping up and down about it here.
Oh, and dealing with fathers like that is a mark of manhood in a way. If you pee your pants in the face of it you don't have any stones and don't deserve the girl. I have been through it, it didn't scare me and as a result I got on with their dads better than boys who wimped it.
If a boy is taking my daughter out I want him to be able to stand up for himself and my daughter should he need to (not that my daughter wont be taught to look after herself).
Exactly! Automatically Appended Next Post: corpsesarefun wrote:Frazzled wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
Then he doesn't come back.
I'm sorry, find me the teenager who doesn't care about a shotgun, and I'll show you: 1) a priest; or 2) someone not long for this earth. What exactly are you arguing?
I think he means "what if he isn't bothered by the shotgun talk" rather than what if he doesn't care about shotguns.
I myself love shotguns yet a shotgun talk is unlikely to bother me, if I'm meeting the parents then it's at least a semi-serious relationship so I don't need threats to treat her right. I say her as somehow I don't quite imagine the fathers of men giving me shotgun talks.
See this is a weeding mechanism. You start talking gun talk and 1) well you just got invited shooting. The wife will make sandwiches. 2) you passed the test.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Sonophos wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
If you don't like him you invite him in for a cuppa and put contact solution in it (It's a laxative with ~2hr delay) and protect your daughter's virtue by chemical means.
and then the doughter is out a father and boyfriend.
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Post by: Sonophos
hotsauceman1 wrote:Sonophos wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Frazzled wrote:
You so funny (and definitely not a dad).
Its important to threaten the boyfriends, subtly of course (overtly is the bigger brother's job). This is not to protect your daughter, but because, as Dads, we get so few pleasures in life.
My boy has already been the recipient of this. he showed up and the dad was cleaning some rifles.
"Thats weird."
"This is Texas. Get used to it."
And what happens when the guy just doesnt care?
If you don't like him you invite him in for a cuppa and put contact solution in it (It's a laxative with ~2hr delay) and protect your daughter's virtue by chemical means.
and then the doughter is out a father and boyfriend.
Why out a father? Air crew do this to annoying passengers ALL the time. It's just eye drops it doesn't kill it just makes life a little inconvenient for a while.
Not that I would deliberately do this to a teenager.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Because its illegal. its considered spiking a drink. as in attempted poisoning.
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Post by: dogma
Frazzled wrote:
See this is a weeding mechanism. You start talking gun talk and 1) well you just got invited shooting. The wife will make sandwiches. 2) you passed the test.
In my experience just not being intimidated earns respect.
Then again, being the sporty type (and preferring similarly athletic women), means I have a lot in common with most dads.
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Post by: Frazzled
dogma wrote:Frazzled wrote:
See this is a weeding mechanism. You start talking gun talk and 1) well you just got invited shooting. The wife will make sandwiches. 2) you passed the test.
In my experience just not being intimidated earns respect.
Then again, being the sporty type (and preferring similarly athletic women), means I have a lot in common with most dads.
Exatly. Its a test. Dogma has passed the test.
OT but I royally yelled at this couple at the range yesterday. They were standing behind the Wife and I (we were at the firing line) and he started messing with his pistol.
1. not supposed to have a pistol behind the line.
2. not supposed to be messing with it.
Wife says she hadn't seen me this mad since like, the day before. 
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Post by: master of ordinance
Because i always seem to be single on it and i get jealous and deppressed thinking about all the other couples out there having a good time whilst im all alone on my own. its sad really but there you go
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Post by: Lone Cat
CptJake wrote:Actual conversation with 9 year old daughter yesterday:
Daughter (D): Is it true that before a boy can kiss me you have to meet him and get to know him?
Me: Uh, yeah, aren't you a little young to be worried about that?
D: I know I have to wait until I'm 19, I'm just checking.
given that you refer to a lil chinese girl you are raising. i guess that you might have known some chinese traditions. right?
There was a book written by an ex-prostitute (her nationality is Thai) who had been jailed in various countries (presumably, for prostitution but nah. i think it's more on the association with organized crime, particularly on the ground of illegal migrations). she cited that she began the road to perdition by having a premature sex with her first boyfriend. once broke up, she got pregnant and had no job, no money to raise her kid. this was the beginning of her H.O. career (In thailand this thing is illegal, but because the local gangsters (usually Triads) are powerful, you'll still see prostitutes here either in Khaosarn street, Pattaya, and elsewhere.) she began this career in Pattaya, but i'm yet to read that book to see how many countries had she been jailed.
it's better to keep you lil kid a virgin till she's 19. so you did a good thing.
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