1500pts Warhammer 40k GT at Game Empire San Diego June 2-3rd

Where?
Game Empire San Diego
7051 Clairemont Mesa BLVD ste 306
San Diego, CA 92111
858-576-1525

When?
June 2nd-3rd

Price
$25.00

Army Size
1500 pts

Sign Ups and Payment
Signups for the GT will be available Wednesday 2/22/2012 5:30 PM.

You can sign-up at the front desk at Game Empire or call 858-576-1525

If you call to sign up you must pay at Game Empire San Diego.

Payment must be received by May 1st 2012 or you will forfeit your spot.

Spots
30 Spots left!

Schedule
All rounds are 2 hours with 15 minutes between rounds.

40K Day 1: Saturday June 2nd.
8:30 AM Check In.
9:00 AM Round 1 40K GT Mission-Dawn of War Deployment
11:15 AM Round 2 40K GT Mission-Spearhead Deployment
1:15 PM Lunch
1:45 PM Round 3 40K GT Mission-Pitched Battle Deployment
4:00 PM Round 4 40K GT Mission-Dawn of War Deployment


40K Day 2: Sunday June 3rd.
9:30 AM Check In.
10:00 AM Round 5 40K GT Mission-Spearhead Deployment
12:15 PM Lunch
12:45 PM Round 6 40K GT Mission-Pitched Battle Deployment
3:00 PM Round 6 Ends
3:30 PM Awards and enjoy the rest of the weekend.


Mission Overview
The same mission will be played for each round of the GT.

The Mission will be using battle points. 3 objectives worth 4 battle points each for a total of 12 battle
points.

All standard 40k mission rules are in effect (infiltrate, seize the initiative, random game length, etc.)

40K GT Mission: The mission is all three book missions played simultaneously, each mission is
an objective. There are 2 Capture and Control markers on 40mm bases, 3 Seize Ground markers on
25mm bases and Kill Points as objectives. Each objective is worth 4 battle points and tied objectives
worth 2 battle point.

Wipeout: If you manage to table your opponent you get 12 battle points

The Setup
Exchange army lists with opponent and explain units etc.
Discuss Terrain.
Roll off to see who deploys Seize Ground markers first. Winning player decides who places first or second. Whoever places the first marker will also place the 3rd marker and the other player will place the second marker. Seize Ground markers can be placed anywhere on the table at least 12” from table edge and 12” from each other.
Roll to see who chooses to go first or second.
Player going first places Capture and Control marker in their deployment zone and must be 12” away from a Seize ground Marker and vice versa.
Begin Game, Have fun.

Pairings
The first round will be random after that by similar battle points.

Allowed Armies
All, current codex's and White Dwarf armies (currently only Sisters of Battle) will be playable.

Forge World
Forge World will be allowed on a case by case basis. Must use actual Forge World model or approved conversion. No proxies allowed. (no Super heavies or Gargantuan Creatures)

WYSIWYG
All models are expected to be WYSIWYG as much as is reasonable. Proxies are not permitted. However, counts as armies are acceptable and encouraged. What’s the difference? That can be a tough call to make in some cases. Judges will determine what is acceptable or not and all judgments are final. If you feel your army is questionable, contact a TO in advance to clear any confusion.

Proxies: Using Necron Warriors as Lootas in an Ork army, etc.

Counts As: Using Ultra Marines colored models with Blood Angels rules. Using custom Adeptus Mechanicus converted models with Daemon rules. The key is that everything is easily identifiable and appropriately equipped.

What to bring
Your army.
A rule book, army book, and game aids such as dice, etc.
A copy of your list (Put name on list) for each opponent (6), judges, and yourself (8 total). You do not have to submit your list before the tournament. You are required to give each opponent a copy of your list before each game.
5 objective markers. Two of these must be on 40mm bases, the other 3 on 25mm bases.


Prizes
$200 1st Overall: 60% Battle Points 20% Painting 20% Sportsmanship (Ties broken by Sportsmanship)
$100 2nd Overall: 60% Battle Points 20% Painting 20% Sportsmanship (Ties broken by Sportsmanship)
$50 3rd Overall: 60% Battle Points 20% Painting 20% Sportsmanship (Ties broken by Sportsmanship)
$50 Best Painted: At the end of round 5 players will assign 5pts,4pts ,3pts, 2pts and 1pt to each of their opponents, you cannot assign the same score twice. 5pts being the best and 1pt not the best. This does not mean all 5 opponents had nicely painted armies but it's a comparison. (Ties broken by Battlepoints)
$50 Best Sportsmanship: At the end of round 5 players will assign 5pts,4pts ,3pts, 2pts and 1pt to each of their opponents, you cannot assign the same score twice. 5pts being the best and 1pt not the best. This does not mean all 5 games were not great but it’s a comparison. (Ties broken by Battlepoints)


Giveaways
Each participant will also receive a custom t-shirt, custom sports bottle and tournament recovery kit.
There will also be random door prizes given out each round.
Refreshments will be provided to tournament participants.

TO, Judge and Jury
Dave_Fay (this means you do not have to worry about me competing ;p)

Dave_Fay wrote: Best Painted: At the end of round 5 players will assign 5pts,4pts ,3pts, 2pts and 1pt to each of their opponents, you cannot assign the same score twice. 5pts being the best and 1pt not the best. This does not mean all 5 opponents had nicely painted armies but it's a comparison. (Ties broken by Battlepoints)
$50 Best Sportsmanship: At the end of round 5 players will assign 5pts,4pts ,3pts, 2pts and 1pt to each of their opponents, you cannot assign the same score twice. 5pts being the best and 1pt not the best. This does not mean all 5 games were not great but it’s a comparison. (Ties broken by Battlepoints)

This is a great way to score Sportsmanship and Paint.

Dave_Fay wrote:Giveaways
Each participant will also receive a custom t-shirt, custom sports bottle and tournament recovery kit.
There will also be random door prizes given out each round.
Refreshments will be provided to tournament participants.

This sounds great, too!

Awesome! A great looking event in my favorite city. Count me in! I'll bring as many of the team as possible with me.

How many spots?

Excellent....will definitely have to make this one.

Reecius wrote:Awesome! A great looking event in my favorite city. Count me in! I'll bring as many of the team as possible with me.

How many spots?

Currently there are 30 spots left.

If you call the store Wednesday Night and sign up you can settle accounts when you come down for Kingdom-Con.

I really like how you guys are doing the missions, I might end up going if I can get the time from school!

Da Bully Boyz will be there! WAAAGH!

Sign-ups are live!!!

I'll be there

Just signed up!

Im in Ill see you all there.

Ok, I will go, but it will not be the same without Dave there defending his home turf.

June eh? Geesh Dave, you've got me signing up for tournaments in September and now June...

Get ready for a weekend with a whole lot of howling! AAAAAAARRRRRRRWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I'm down to roll. You guys can't take CC over the phone for signups?

Unfortunately no cc over the phone :(.

Only 10 spots left

I got my sign up on. I guess an impromptu San Diego trip before may isn't out of the question

Dok,

Let me know when you come down. Would love to get a game in.

It's in my hood so I'm there!!!

See you round 1 Reecius?

@Dave: sure man, I'll hit you up when I figure out when I'm headed down

Ill be making a weekend trip out to SD to pay as well. My grandma will be happy to see me. That old lady knows how to drink.

Dugg, I am calling you out round 1. I need revenge!

@Reecius, Are we talking Ork on Wolf action here? The Epic struggle of wolves trying to hold their own vs the Green Hordes with the understand, dare I say, "Da Ork sEYEnce" of the POWER of RED Paint?

If that is what you are saying, I'M IN!

How do we get the Vegas odds makers involved in this rematch, anyone?

Gah. I graduate from college that week.

I guess I'll have to catch the next one.

At this point all spots have been filled. If any open up I'll let you know

Now I have to figure out how to give them my $25

I'll be taking payments at the BAO

Nice! Catch you this weekend then.

(legit thread-necronmanacy going on here)

I've looked into a few things and I have Qs for the locals:

Is that "Niban Japanese" restaurant any good ? (looks like an old McDonald's).

Is there a better place to grub down and (bitch/complain ) brag about how your day went. Like the Outback SteakHouse a couple miles west down Clairemont Mesa Blvd?

If Outback is good, then who's going there on Saturday night? Being an 'orphan' (that is, not a local) I'm hoping a few guys might join me there Saturday evening?


After all the killin' and butcherin' and ... ya know, mayhem, a good steak and dead sea animal (lobster) ought to go down good. With some suds.


Team No Comp?

I think if anything, I will be going to Bennigans saturday night since I will be staying down there(And I love it). It's about 15 minutes from GE.

Food within walking distance

Niban-decent japanese sushi and bento
Players- Good pub food and a place to get shots and beers (most will go here)
Mcdonalds- i wouldn't but, only for cheep drinks
Starbucks- it's starbucks
Soup Plantation - for the very hungry
Cotija's- expensive "quality" mexican street food
Lotia's taco Shop- decent taqeria- best carne asada fries
Subway- For the cheep sandwich

So there are alot of options.

For dinner I'd recommend the Asian restaurants off of convoy

Tajima's is my favorite noodle shop http://www.yelp.com/biz/tajima-noodle-house-san-diego
Then you can get dessert at yogurt world
http://www.yelp.com/biz/yogurt-world-san-diego

I just finished a marathon of terrain building to update the store's stock.



And here are the playable terrain trophies (they will be on tables and if you win you can keep as terrain or mount on wall etc)


shirts and water bottles just showed up for swag bags.




and don't forget that Table War is giving away units trays and some display trays.
http://www.tablewar.com/products/20-slot-Unit-Tray.html

Looking forward to seeing everyone in a few weeks.

And a reminder we are starting early and ending early so people can enjoy the weekend and get home on sunday at a decent hour.

40K Day 1: Saturday June 2nd.
8:30 AM Check In.
9:00 AM Round 1 40K GT Mission-Dawn of War Deployment
11:15 AM Round 2 40K GT Mission-Spearhead Deployment
1:15 PM Lunch
1:45 PM Round 3 40K GT Mission-Pitched Battle Deployment
4:00 PM Round 4 40K GT Mission-Dawn of War Deployment


40K Day 2: Sunday June 3rd.
9:30 AM Check In.
10:00 AM Round 5 40K GT Mission-Spearhead Deployment
12:15 PM Lunch
12:45 PM Round 6 40K GT Mission-Pitched Battle Deployment
3:00 PM Round 6 Ends
3:30 PM Awards and enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Hey Dave, would you put me on the list to be a back up player just incase anyone drops out?

Awesome terrain. 1500 point armies. Looks like it going to be a great tournament. I'm all hyped up about it and would you know, I will not be able to be there. Well to all, have fun and please someone post up in this site on how the tournament goes.

I swear that there is a God and she is a gag writer, writing about my life.

I added you to alternate list. You're second in line after Adam G.

I'll be posting standing and event pictures.

Brothererekose wrote:(legit thread-necronmanacy going on here)

I've looked into a few things and I have Qs for the locals:

Is that "Niban Japanese" restaurant any good ? (looks like an old McDonald's).

Is there a better place to grub down and (bitch/complain ) brag about how your day went. Like the Outback SteakHouse a couple miles west down Clairemont Mesa Blvd?

If Outback is good, then who's going there on Saturday night? Being an 'orphan' (that is, not a local) I'm hoping a few guys might join me there Saturday evening?


After all the killin' and butcherin' and ... ya know, mayhem, a good steak and dead sea animal (lobster) ought to go down good. With some suds.


Team No Comp?

Yeah, Dave pretty much hit the nail on the head with all the places to eat around there.... Personally, I'm not a big fan of the mexican place in the same shopping center. The ownership has changed recently and the prices went through the roof for what you get. Lolita's taco shop, however is right up the street and much better IMO.

I would imagine that on Saturday night after the first day that most of us will end up at Player's Bar and Grill to either share our tales of glory or drink our wounds away. They have pretty good food, good beer on tap, and it's in the same shopping center just a few doors down from the store.

Its a week away, anyone drop out yet? stupid me fer waiting so long.

Hey Grim,

I'm going to e-mail everyone tonight to confirm if anything changes I'll give you a heads up.

Can you pm me a contact # and e-mail?

I'm really looking forward to this Event!

"Swiss Army Orks! Prepare yourselves!"

@Dave: I sent you an email, I'm just also posting here to make sure you know, I won't be able to make it after all, so at leas tone person from the stand by list can get in.

Hey Shark,

Thank you for the heads up I'm reaching out to alternates now.

Footdar going to take all you foos down!

@ Reecius - Challenge Accepted!!! Question is... "Can an Ork boot fit in an Eldar ?"

Aw snap, is this tournament gonna be jam packed with the 32 hottest players on rankings HQ??? Ha, ha! Aka, the top 32 people who go to multiple events a year

Seeing as how I was "first in line" for the alternates and Shark isn't going and if I get his spot, I was thinking of bringing my brand of footdar too..Go Eldar!

Your eldar feet will blot out the sun!

Grimgob
Mortetvie
Azgrim

Spots have opened up and I look forward to seeing you this weekend.

Please check your personal e-mails for further details.

Does your army need to be fully painted? I cant seem to find anything one way or another

No your army does not need to be fully painted but it helps alot.

my bad didnt see it was 20% of the points. How is that 20% scored? is it subjective or is there some type of rubric or a yes /no type thing?

At the end of round 5 players will assign 5pts,4pts ,3pts, 2pts and 1pt to each of their opponents, you cannot assign the same score twice. 5pts being the best and 1pt not the best. This does not mean all 5 opponents had nicely painted armies but it's a comparison. (Ties broken by Battlepoints)

People should make sure they take notes, as the beginning of day 2 is not a good time to remember what you saw the day before!

Each player will get a score card to keep track of results.

As well as who they played with a note field asking how the game was in comparison to previous games as well as questions on how thier opponents armies appeared in relation to other opponents.

It's a different way of scoring but it works well. The average for appearance and sports is a 15 out of 25.

Look at this guy, all thinking of everything!

Can't wait for this event! San Diego is the best city in America (IMO!) and the caliber of players is top notch. Plus, the beautiful ladies doesn't hurt anything either

See you guys in a few days!

Dok wrote:Look at this guy, all thinking of everything!

I guess getting screwed out of winning several events makes you think of ways to change the system

azgrim wrote:

Dok wrote:Look at this guy, all thinking of everything!

I guess getting screwed out of winning several events makes you think of ways to change the system

I like it better than rock, paper, scissors.

Dave_Fay wrote:

azgrim wrote:

Dok wrote:Look at this guy, all thinking of everything!

I guess getting screwed out of winning several events makes you think of ways to change the system

I like it better than rock, paper, scissors.

We prefer to call it RO SHAM BO! at my house (it solves the kids disagreements without choosing sides)

Grimgob wrote:We prefer to call it RO SHAM BO! at my house (it solves the kids disagreements without choosing sides)

Hmm, better wear steel toed boots ... oh, wait, Dave's system means that won't be necessary. Right.

You're going down like a girl on prom night, Dugg!

Is everyone ready for tomorrow?

THE WOLVES ARE COMING!

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

I'm about to hit the road. See you guys there!

Round 1 Pairings


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa9gJ0nWdqI



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Round 2 pairings


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WX2bW4q8A8



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Round 3 in HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMbZeRebZKs

Pic of round 1-3
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/Sneekygit/GE%20GT/

So far, so good, man.

I've already exceded my own expectations and won two games! Mathematically still in for a prize, even!

Nicely done with the set up, Dave, especially with chilled water in pitchers (seriously, a good touch) and other snackage.

Resting up for tomorrow's finale.

I even found out that Allan Hernandez is *not* my alter ego (Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hide ... Hulk/Banner) and that he exists at the same time I do. For those in the know ... you get it.

Great Weekend
Good friends
Hope you all had fun



Reece Robbins


Russ Adderson


Shane Hebard-Massey


Patrick Bond


Kevin Oneill

Damn, a 9 for sports? I must be more of an ass than I thought.

Reese can thank me latter for beating Shane and Russ so he could win overall

Grats to all the winners, I really liked the missions and terrain and great players.

I didn't dig the way sports/appearance were scored though as I had all good opponents and it didn't seem fair to give one a "1" (which could potentially ruin their chance of winning) simply because I HAVE to, not because they earned it.

Case in point is Dok getting a 9, he is probably one of the most fun guys I've ever played, doesn't make sense.

Good times all around. Everyone I played was great and someone that I would gladly play again. A big "Thanks" to Dave and Game Empire for hosting the event. I'm hopeful that this becomes an annual thing, as I would gladly play in it again.

Only four Grey Knights players???? The internet says that isn't possible!

Also, those Game Empire shots look snazzy, and way different than the last time I was down there (which was admittedly in like 2002 or something...)

Any battle reports from anyone yet?

Thanks Dave for the great event!

I was a little iffy on the sports scoring too, I didn't want to give anyone anything lower than a 4, honestly. All my games were fun.

If sports were used as a tie breaker I think that would be better personally, but that's just me. Otherwise though, great event and I really enjoyed seeing all the old homies!

Footdar win! Internet, proceed to implode.


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@Blackmoor

And yes, thanks buddy! hahah

I had an awesome time, even when I handed Cooper the game.

Cool meeting Patrick, Reece, Chris, Shane & loads of other dudes. Well, *they* weren't loads ... but , yeah. Fun times.

Damnit Reece, I might just have to have you guys paint my next army. Second from the bottom is *not* okay for me.

We'd be happy to paint up your army!

And I love the fact that they top 5 at this event were:

Eldar
Orks
Orks
Nids
Blood Angels

Hahaha, ah, too good.

Reecius wrote:We'd be happy to paint up your army!

Reecius wrote:And I love the fact that they top 5 at this event were:

Eldar
Orks
Orks
Nids
Blood Angels

Hahaha, ah, too good.

Yep. They only show for spots 9 thru 11 and I beat my only GK opponent. So, is the honeymoon over for GK and 40k?

Or is it just good players win tourneys, not the codex?

I believe the results speak well.

Most people seem to understand Grey knights and have learned how to adapt to counter them namely psydefense and ways of shutting down those psyiflemen .

A few quick thoughts about the scoring:

I really liked the battle points. I think it is an improvement on BAOs win/loss system.

I think that there is some Grey Knight prejudice and that affected their sports scores.

I played the top three ork players and I had to rank them. I like Geoff’s paint job on his orks and they were a fine looking lot of boyz, but Russ’s and Shane’s armies were some of the best painted there so he dropped down the list of paint scores. Russ is very animated and Waughing like a manic, and Shane is more animated as well. Geoff is a lot more laid-back and is more of a quiet thinker when he plays so he got a lower sport score from me. Even though he had a much higher battle point score, the soft scores really hammered him. I am a quiet thinker type when I play (especially after a couple of 5 hour round trip drives). People play this game a lot of different ways. I love Russ screaming WAUGH!!! And I like Patrick’s howls, but should someone really drop down that many points for just playing a good, normal game of 40k? I do like soft scores, but I think they might had had too much of an impact. If you continue with the ranking system, maybe you should cut the soft scores in half. Because the way it is now, someone like Geoff (who again has a table top quality paint job, and sportsmanship wise plays an average game of 40K) would have to massacre all 6 of his opponents to win overall. It shouldn’t be where only the best painted armies with the best sportsmen have a shot at winning. Soft scores should factor in, but not be the only factor.

Brothererekose wrote:

Reecius wrote:We'd be happy to paint up your army!

Reecius wrote:And I love the fact that they top 5 at this event were:

Eldar
Orks
Orks
Nids
Blood Angels

Hahaha, ah, too good.

Yep. They only show for spots 9 thru 11 and I beat my only GK opponent. So, is the honeymoon over for GK and 40k?

Or is it just good players win tourneys, not the codex?

I believe the results speak well.

Not at all. Soft scores made the top 5. Going by battle points the finishers were

1. Blood angels
2. Orks
3. Grey Knights



Allan is right, GK will eat the comp hammer in the form of poor sportsmanship scores, especially when the format forces players to rank 1-2-3. Of course the GK player will eat the 3 spot in all those choices. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. Years ago I used to rail against it, but in my old age I have come to appreciate the imposition of a silent comp system. Ranking your opponents is an old one, but a good one as it gives players cover to make their choice. "the tourney rules made me do it". Personally I like it because it can keep a lid on those spam lists and force some army diversity.

And Allan if you based your opponent rankings on their painting, then aren't you allowing those players to double dip their points? They already got points for painting why should they get more?

If it is a competitive event, soft scores should take the back seat or be more neutral. Bringing a mean and spammy army is NOT sports or army appearance, so punishing someone for beating you and bringing a hard list simply by marking them down on sports and appearance is lame.

Comp should be as objective as possible, not subjective.

And the Blood Angel guy beat the Footdar in round 6! =D

@mortetvie

I think you're missing the point here...the award says best overall, not best General or Highest Battle Points or what have you. In the case of Best General, yes that would leave out people; however, more was going into the event than beating face.

I really don't mind events of this nature so long as they're known from the onset to include certain aspects for scoring and awards. What sucks is to go undefeated and discover at the end you're nowhere near the top spot because of some fluke system that awards the kid full points because he achieved a bonus in the last mission that was worth more than actually winning the game.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:@mortetvie

I think you're missing the point here...the award says best overall, not best General or Highest Battle Points or what have you. In the case of Best General, yes that would leave out people; however, more was going into the event than beating face.

I really don't mind events of this nature so long as they're known from the onset to include certain aspects for scoring and awards. What sucks is to go undefeated and discover at the end you're nowhere near the top spot because of some fluke system that awards the kid full points because he achieved a bonus in the last mission that was worth more than actually winning the game.

I am not missing the point, I am merely pointing out that when you have players that improperly vote by giving players poor marks for reasons outside of the scope of the score they are assigning, overall doesn't mean as much. My point was that if you are giving someone a bad sports or appearance score BECAUSE they brought a rough army and beat you, that is defeating the point of voting for sports and appearance as army composition and losing terribly are NOT part of sports and appearance.

Specifically, by not considering army appearance or sportsmanship when you are voting for appearance and sportsmanship, you defeat the purpose of having those scores in the first place and that opens the door to inappropriate scores being assigned. I used the example above where a player (Dok) who I've always had a great time playing against, who is a great sport in all respects and had a really nice looking army from what would be an objective standard got pretty low scores because of a flawed, subjective scoring system that forces people to give players a low score who may not necessarily deserve it. I mean Blackmoore's grey knights look really cool and he is a nice guy to play and he didn't do so hot in sports/appearance either, they both played GK. Did they get the scores because they were poor sports and had bad looking armies, or was it because they played GK? If people that scored poorly were given those scores NOT because they were poor sports and had bad looking armies, then something is wrong with the scorers/scoring system. =)

DarthDiggler wrote:
And Allan if you based your opponent rankings on their painting, then aren't you allowing those players to double dip their points? They already got points for painting why should they get more?

I am not sure what you are asking here. At the end of round #5 you ranked (scored) your opponents 5-1 in Sports and separately 5-1 in Painting. That is how the sports scoring and pain judging was done.

@Darth

Battle Points top 5 was:

1.) Orks, BA
2.) GK
3.) Eldar
4.) Eldar, Orks

That still blows internet commonly held wisdom right out the door. Orks and Eldar the most represented.


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@Junior

hahaha, yes they did!

I just wish I had more chances to Squig. Here's the break down for my games.

Eldar - 1 IC (Eldrad)
Bugs - 0 IC
Space Wolves - 1 IC
Space Marines - 1 IC & SQUIGGED!!!!!!
Eldar - 1 IC Farseer
Space Wolves - 3 ICs & 1 Thunderwolf Lord SQUIGGED!!!!!


You all will see Zogwort again OH YES!!!

I really wanted to Squig some GK ICs but that just didn't happen this time. I'll be tweaking my Zog list and see you guys at the next one.

Btw, I will make that little baby blue Eldrad a Squig! It will happen!!!



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This was a super fun Event and it was good seeing all the Usual Suspects again.

mortetvie wrote:I didn't dig the way sports/appearance were scored though as I had all good opponents and it didn't seem fair to give one a "1" (which could potentially ruin their chance of winning) simply because I HAVE to, not because they earned it.

My army's paint scored was second from the bottom and deservedly so. My DE consists of primer black hulls with a few lines of liche purple touch ups. Lazy. No eyes or perceivable shading on faces, few details on body armor (one unit only, and even then, it was just ink). As my first opponent said, "Well, it's painted." He was right and I deserve the score I got. I'd bet my toothbrush-flick 'starry sky' sails are what kept the score from the scraping bottom, and most of the *good* painters breathed a 'meh' for those.

The bottom two armies, yours and Danny M's:

His was old school DE in need of a gloss removal/brake fluid bath and repaint. Old DE models just look bad. His vehicles were a tad better than mine, but not much; primer with scab red dry brushing. As a whole, in need of repainting since he probably did them when he was a kid given the broad strokes.

Yours? Missing windows & drivers on tanks, lacking details, etc. Just the blue and yellow without any gems or such done. Like *my eldar* tanks.

The three of us *earned* those bottom paint scores.

mortetvie wrote:Case in point is Dok getting a 9, he is probably one of the most fun guys I've ever played, doesn't make sense.

Sure it does.

Having known and played Dok for better than a year, he wasn't a douche. He isn't.

Damn, a 9 for sports? I must be more of an ass than I thought.

@ Dok, you're not an ass, ass-hat, douche, dirtbag, douche-bag, TFG or Shenanigan breeder. You're just not Robin Williams.

Seriously, why'd you get a low score? My guess is lack of gregariousness. You're a mellow dude. Courteous and easy going. You call your dice. Hold the measuring tape for opponents to see the measure. No fudging. You make a comment here or there. A pleasant player. Quiet.

Dok, you just aren't as engaging as some of the other guys who scored in the 20s for sports. It means that out of the 5 you simply rated "not as fun as the other four guys". On the 0-2-4-6 system, you prolly woulda had a 24 score, all nice games. All 4s for reasonably pleasant games that you'd expect. A 6 is for the wonderfully fun game that you didn't mind losing and you'd love to lose to that opponent again, such fun was had.

You're a nice guy, Dok, but no Milton Berle or Lenny Bruce ... someone more current? Younger? I heard that Richard Prior kid is funny.

Mortetvie, Dok is not quite the jokester/big mouth/comedian I am. I've had years to work on my 'schtick' for amusing people and keeping them engaged in an activity. I think this partially explains why I scored Best Sportsman in the last 4 RTTs I attended at GE Pasadena. And prolly why I scored in the top 9 for Sports.

Mortetvie, maybe you and Dok just need to work on your schtick.

And all three of us need to paint better, too.


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Reecius wrote:@Darth
Battle Points top 5 was:
1.) Orks, BA
2.) GK
3.) Eldar
4.) Eldar, Orks
That still blows internet commonly held wisdom right out the door. Orks and Eldar the most represented.

Yeah, what Reece said (better than I tried).

Dugg wrote:
Btw, I will make that little baby blue Eldrad a Squig! It will happen!!!

Never gonna happen, son!

Reecius wrote:

Dugg wrote:
Btw, I will make that little baby blue Eldrad a Squig! It will happen!!!

Never gonna happen, son!

50% of the time it WILL HAPPEN every time!!!!

Epic dice fail. All weekend.
Played Geoff's 3-wagon Orks game 1. Hit 2 Battlewagons with 2 Twin-Linked Melta's (both in glory range) and 5 Master Crafted TH/SS Termies (yeah Vulkan). Stripped a single Big Shoota off of 1 wagon. Termies got tank-shocked, failed morale, and were escorted off the board. Land Raider hit by 2 Deff-Rollas and wrecked.
Against Duggs 3 wagon Orks (how the h3ll did the Shark end up in the kiddie pool??? LOL) I managed to wreck 2 of them, then held up Burna Boyz for a few turns. 3 surviving Termies then hit the Grots on Duggs C&C objective. Grots do 6 wounds. Termies roll 3 ones and die to GROTS. Insult to injury, Vulkan was Squigged in the middle of close combat with some boyz. Lost that combat on the very next set of dice rolls.
Against Braulio's GKs I set up a great charge on his Termies (I've done this to him before and the setup usually eats all of the GK Termies). He gets off Sanctuary and I fail the charge. He charges into me and wipes the unit (5 termies + Vulkan). After that it was a slow slog as I tried to avoid being tabled (which I was).

Regardless it was a great event with no drama and a lot of players I only get to see a few times a year. for many of us, the last Tournament of 5th Edition. ComicKaze may be our 1st GT for 6th.

@ Brother, sportsmanship should not be on who was the most entertaining, this isn't the tonight show but a duel of honor of sorts =).

Maybe I need to work in some your mom jokes or something...Maybe If I waxed my mustache and wore a bowler hat..

@Mortetvie, I usually get docked when there is a discussion on coming to a mutual agreement on a rules dispute during the game(even if the game was fun). Your a great player but alot of times you will draw your line in the sand on a personal opinion on how a rule works or if they have cover or not and not move an inch. This rubs people the wrong way and I'm sure its why you got the score you did. An example when you were offering rules advice during cooper and reeces game. Cooper asked you to stop (rudely but you had it coming)but you kept on going (even though in an event like this where it is frowned upon unless your the TO). Don't take it to heart that you don't have a personality that people love, I still like to play you (but even I call you out when your being a hard ass). Your tactics are sound just loosen up a little bit.

@ grimgob, I know I could use a chill pill on the rules front, going to law school doesn't help me be less argumentative lol... But maybe some mustache wax and a bowler hat would help? Perhaps a monocle too?

Regarding the game with Reece, I wasn't really giving him rules advice or anything I was just saying stuff like "that would be funny if this happened" and I kept my comments to after they were pertinent-Cooper just assumed I was giving him rules advice.

I specifically remember him moving his battle wagon 13" and shooting from guys that were on board which was against the rules and that kind of irked me so I mumbled under my breathe "I don't think he can do that" and that wasn't intended to be towards anyone and that was one time the guy told me to stop.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

As you should know Mortetvie I gave you a 1 in your sportsmanship score for our game. You can look at Grimjob’s post as to why.

Example #1
I shot 3 psycannons at your wave serpent and I thought that the model with the worst view of you could see 60% of your model, and you thought that you were in cover (a situation that happens very frequently).

There are 3 acceptable outcomes:
#1. You take a 5+ cover save like the book says to do whenever you have a disputed cover save.
#2. Dice off for it, which is an accepted 40k arbitration method.
#3. Call the judge over and have a neutral 3rd party make the call.
You deviated from the acceptable resolution methods and took a 4+ cover save.

Note: In game #5 I played Geoff who shot his lootas at my dread and he thought that I did not get cover and I thought that I did. We chose option #3 and had Dave come over and he took a picture from all of the models eye view with his iPhone and then after looking at the pictures made the call.

Example #2
I shot at your wave serpent that was at a 180 degree angle from me. You had about an inch and a half poking out from behind a building. I thought that it was a side shot since I always treat the long curved side as the side. You said that it was the front because it was in the front of the model and you wanted a 3+ cover save. I disagreed and you ended up taking a 3+ cover save for not being able to see the side of the model that I was shooting at.

So to sum up, if you want to be intractable in your play style that is up to you, but you will pay the price on your sportsmanship scores.

Yes, I know I can be intractable in my views on things, that is why I specifically say "this is the way I see it, if you disagree lets get a judge to sort it out."

Regardless, I know I could chill out and relax on rules interpretations so I get the hint =P. Sometimes a judge isn't always handy to sort things out and letting it go or dicing off is the most amicable way of handling a situation.

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2012/06/06/san-diego-game-empire-gt-review/

@Mortetvie

Yeah man, I like playing you, you are an excellent general, I just had to give someone a 1 on sports, and we had the most rules issues. If it was a straight up 5 points scale, I would not have given you lower than a 4, but that wasn't an option.

Oh well, dude, don't let it get you down. Everyone likes seeing you at events, just use this as a way to up your game a bit I guess.

I would have also given him an average sports score in any other sports scoring method, but in that format someone has to get the 1.

mortetvie wrote:Grats to all the winners, I really liked the missions and terrain and great players.

I didn't dig the way sports/appearance were scored though as I had all good opponents and it didn't seem fair to give one a "1" (which could potentially ruin their chance of winning) simply because I HAVE to, not because they earned it.

Case in point is Dok getting a 9, he is probably one of the most fun guys I've ever played, doesn't make sense.

Now I have known you for awhile and I consider you a good friend but your army isn't fully painted with high lighting and all that jazz. Also half your models aren't fully put together. If I was running event there would be no way I'd give you a painting score. Now things could have changed since I saw your army last.

As for your sportsmanship score......to put it nicely you get pretty snappy and rude with people and you tend to talk down to people about rules.

@Chris, my army is now fully put together and my infantry are painted nicely, its mainly my tanks that need the cockpits and gemstones painted more nicely =). As far as the rules bit, people take things the wrong way as I never try to be rude though I do stand firm where I think I am right. As you've found, I tend to be right, but perhaps I could be nicer about being right =P. Anyway, the last time we played was what, a few years ago?

@Reece, i'm not down, its all good constructive criticism. I like our games too, they always come down to who has the best dice though haha... My Falcon isn't as invulnerable as it used to be =(.

Maybe I'm just spoiled by no comp events, but subjective scores have no place in a competitive event. That being said, it was outlined that this would be part of the scoring prior to the event, so it was to be expected.
However, I can't help but feel that some people got a better run of it. I had a load of fun and had some tough games against some really good players. Gauging sports out of those five games was really hard for me. None of the games was really that outstanding from the other as far as fun was concerned, so someone got a 5 that didn't necessarily deserve it, and someone got a 1 that didn't necessarily deserve it.
Painting is a lot easier to judge on a 1-5 scale as some army's were definitely painted better than others. Maybe not the best painted there, but it was definitely easier to judge those compared against each other.
All in all, it was fun and I would play there again. Dave gets a 5 for sports for setting up the snack/water station. That was a brilliant addition and was greatly appreciated by the players.

Yeah, the Ibuprofen was clutch, too! Had a killer hangover both days.