So this week I've learned that the Dark Angel codex and their primarch is actual a reference to a poem by you guessed it Lionel Johnson. A there anyone references to book and thing in 40k?

A lot actually, some are obvious (Marbo = Rambo) others not so much.

broodstar wrote:So this week I've learned that the Dark Angel codex and their primarch is actual a reference to a poem by you guessed it Lionel Johnson. A there anyone references to book and thing in 40k?

And his poem Dark Angel was about unrequited love for another man. The DA's old "secret" was that they were gay. Then the GW writers realized that was a horrible joke and just made half of them fall to Chaos instead, retconning out that one bit.

Al'Raheim is Lawrence of Arabia, Ghazgkull Thrakka is Margaret Thatcher, Pedro Kantor is named after Peter Kantor, one of the original GW designers, Sgt. Bastonne is based on a real person but I can't recall who, as is pretty much every special character.

The amount of Dune references, from nomenclature to whole ideas is pretty staggering as well. Lasguns, glowglobes, chapterhouses, and plenty of other terminology comes straight from the books. Navigators are largely the same as they are, Bene Gesserit are psykers, and Sardaukar are similar to Marines in many regards. Marines come more from Starship Troopers than anything else though, while Imperial society and hive cities are straight out of, well, Dune, and Judge Dredd.

All sci fi borrows from everything else, 40k is just a huge melting pot of ideas, concepts, and characters that make it distinctive.

The old Dark Eldar codex has a special character named Kruellagh the Vile...Cruella de Ville, anyone?

The Imperial Guard order "FIrst Rank, FIRE! Second Rank, FIRE!" is a reference to a movie called Zulu, when a group of soldiers are backed up against a wall and let loose a continual stream of fire by only firing with one rank at a time (so while the first reloads, the second fires its guns, and vice versa).

Dante's Inferno Pistol

Ferrus Manus, Primarch of the Iron Hands. Ferrus being latin for Iron.

Prospero, the home planet of the Thousand Sons, is also the name of a wizard from shakespeare's 'The Tempest'

The Black Templars have the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

RaptorsTallon wrote:

Ferrus Manus, Primarch of the Iron Hands. Ferrus being latin for Iron.

Manus meaning "Hand"

I am convinced that Lord General Solar whatsit Macharius is General MacArthur

RaptorsTallon wrote:From the blood angels codex:

Dante's Inferno Pistol

Ferrus Manus, Primarch of the Iron Hands. Ferrus being latin for Iron.

Not to mention Manus is the Latin word for "hand". Ferrus Manus, Latin for "Iron Hand" is the primarch of the Iron Hands.

Also, Sanguinius is the primarch of the Blood Angels. Sanguinis is the Latin word for "blood".

As was said before, Lion El'jonson (primarch of the Dark Angels) is a reference to real-world poet Lionel Johnson, who wrote a poem entitled "Dark Angel".

Jaghatai Khan is the primarch of the White Scars, who extensively use bikes in their army. Genghis Khan (and for that matter, the Great Khan) was the leader of the Mongols, who used cavalry in their armies.

Mortarion is the primarch of the Death Guard. Mortis is the Latin word for "death".

It's worthwhile to look into old codices (as in, 2e or 3e) to find Easter eggs. Though they tend to shy away from it now, GW used to (and still do in some places) create all sorts of characters that were references to real-life people or other fictional characters. And look at the primarchs - at least 3 of them are named after the Latin words for their own Legions.

Brother SRM wrote: Sgt. Bastonne is based on a real person

John Basilone

The Pacific series used him as one of the three main characters.

Land raider Crusader is a reference to one of the WW2 tanks named... wait for it....The Crusader.

1938 Nuffield Mechanisation and Aero A-16 Crusader

Jakka wrote:I am convinced that Lord General Solar whatsit Macharius is General MacArthur

Surely Alexander the Great?

There are loads, less these days but still the odd one or two.

The Rainbow Warriors were a reference to the Greenpeace ship that was protesting French Nuclear testing near New Zealand, and was sunk by French agents during the early 80's. It was in port at the time, but there was a photographer on board who was killed.

The planet 'Birmingham' in the latest 40k book, is a reference to the UK city of the same name, in the original RT book it is listed as a 'dark place whose inhabitants never see the sun'.

Brother SRM has got most of the Primarch ones, the only other that springs to mind is Corax's final words before he disappears, "Nevermore', a reference to the Edgar Allen Poe poem ("Quote the Raven, nevermore")

The reason Orks will forever speak with a London-docker accent is because during the initial playtesting of Rogue Trader, one of the guys (I forget his name) started speaking in an exaggerated London accent when moving the models around, apparently he was quite a character and the idea stuck.

Ghazgkull Thrakka is Margaret Thatcher

Interesting, I didn't know that.

Jakka wrote:

RaptorsTallon wrote:

Ferrus Manus, Primarch of the Iron Hands. Ferrus being latin for Iron.

Manus meaning "Hand"

I am convinced that Lord General Solar whatsit Macharius is General MacArthur

Macharius is Alexander the Great transferred blow by blow into the future.

Everything on the planet Armageddon seems to be a reference to the apocalypse, from Hades Hive to Commander Dante.

Durza wrote:

Jakka wrote:

RaptorsTallon wrote:

Ferrus Manus, Primarch of the Iron Hands. Ferrus being latin for Iron.

Manus meaning "Hand"

I am convinced that Lord General Solar whatsit Macharius is General MacArthur

Macharius is Alexander the Great transferred blow by blow into the future.

Everything on the planet Armageddon seems to be a reference to the apocalypse, from Hades Hive to Commander Dante.

Well, there goes that theory...

The Fall of Imbach.... Refers to the fall of a Franciscan Monk, Josef imbach.

Pacific wrote:
Brother SRM has got most of the Primarch ones, the only other that springs to mind is Corax's final words before he disappears, "Nevermore', a reference to the Edgar Allen Poe poem ("Quote the Raven, nevermore")

The reason Orks will forever speak with a London-docker accent is because during the initial playtesting of Rogue Trader, one of the guys (I forget his name) started speaking in an exaggerated London accent when moving the models around, apparently he was quite a character and the idea stuck.

Ghazgkull Thrakka is Margaret Thatcher

Interesting, I didn't know that.

Corax's final words are probably the single most groan-worthy bit of fluff in all of 40k. It's such a bad joke. Conrad Cruz of the Night Lords is also Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now and Heart of Darkness. In his spare time, he's Batman.

As for Thatcher, his full name is Mag Uruk Thrakka. Pronounce it out loud and you'll hear some similarities. It's at least more subtle than most 40kisms.

There's a planet called Metallica; real subtle GW

Brother SRM wrote:
And his poem Dark Angel was about unrequited love for another man.

I'd be interested as to know the proof of this. I couldn't actually find anything providing real evidence (aside from the poem, which is not exactly concrete evidence) of Lionel Johnson being homosexual on the internet,

broodstar wrote:So this week I've learned that the Dark Angel codex and their primarch is actual a reference to a poem by you guessed it Lionel Johnson. A there anyone references to book and thing in 40k?

I thought it was by Lionel Richie

This is a fairly well-known one, but Konrad Curze was killed by the assassin M'Shen. Kurtz was a character in the book Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad, and in Apocalypse Now (based on the plot of the book) the character who kills Kurtz is played by Martin Sheen.

In the 3rd edition rulebook, I found a funny quote. "It is better to have fought and lost than not have fought at all." And I also found this excerpt:

"'There is nothing to fear except fear itself.' The last address of Commander Rasbora, before the final Tyranid assault that destroyed the last human-held fort on Brochis III. Judged beyond reprieve, the planet was virus-bombed four months later."

40k is choked with references to both history and other fictional stuff.

Not only is Solar Macharius just Alexander The Great in 40K, but a 'macharius' was a type of sword used in Alexander's army.

I get the sneaking supision that the Sanguinor is a reference to superman, but that would require that Matt Ward had a clever bone in his body

The Sanguinor is Space Jesus

Brother SRM wrote:Corax's final words are probably the single most groan-worthy bit of fluff in all of 40k. It's such a bad joke.

Indeed, 'Quote the Ravenguard "Never More"'

There is the joke going around about the origin of the Blood Ravens about how Corax and Sanguinious had an illicit affair under the Emperor's nose and the child came to know nothing of his heritage, but went on to be the first Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens.


Then there is the little known fact that the Emperor was, previous to being God Emperor of Mankind, a simple owner of a Condom company. The whole "emperor" angle was simply an advertising campaign that took off wildly. "The Emperor Protects" was later co-opted as the unofficial motto of Imperial Armed forces, the original meaning lost in time.

Luke_Prowler wrote:I get the sneaking supision that the Sanguinor is a reference to superman, but that would require that Matt Ward had a clever bone in his body

NO, Sanguinor means a blood sucker, eluding to the fact that the Blood Angels are Vampires.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:
And his poem Dark Angel was about unrequited love for another man.

I'd be interested as to know the proof of this. I couldn't actually find anything providing real evidence (aside from the poem, which is not exactly concrete evidence) of Lionel Johnson being homosexual on the internet,

Someone who spent far, far more time thinking about it than the person who wrote the Primarch names: http://www.thedarkfortress.co.uk/librarium/lionel_johnson.htm

Corax's final words are probably the single most groan-worthy bit of fluff in all of 40k. It's such a bad joke.

My absolute, worst piece of fluff ever (in that it's not even ever so slightly amusing) is the bit that Forgeworld introduced about someone called 'Arkhan Land' creating the Land Speeder and Land Raider. I'm not sure if it was someone trying to make a 40k-esque joke like some of those listed above, or it's just the product of someone (perhaps the work experience boy) trying to hit a deadline at 4.45 on a Friday.

Thanks for bringing up the 'Konrad Curze/Heart of Darkness' one, I had forgotten about that.

Pacific wrote:
My absolute, worst piece of fluff ever (in that it's not even ever so slightly amusing) is the bit that Forgeworld introduced about someone called 'Arkhan Land' creating the Land Speeder and Land Raider. I'm not sure if it was someone trying to make a 40k-esque joke like some of those listed above, or it's just the product of someone (perhaps the work experience boy) trying to hit a deadline at 4.45 on a Friday.

This was actually in some WD article about the land raider (I think late 90's/early 2000's), with a picture of mr. Land and a whole backstory- canon that FW just brought up again.

I also thought it wasn't a joke, but just a sort of clever ret-con.

Grey Templar wrote:
There is the joke going around about the origin of the Blood Ravens about how Corax and Sanguinious had an illicit affair under the Emperor's nose and the child came to know nothing of his heritage, but went on to be the first Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens.

That is just... plan genius! I won't be able to help myself from thinking this everytime anything related to a Blood Raven comes up!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not only is Solar Macharius just Alexander The Great in 40K, but a 'macharius' was a type of sword used in Alexander's army.

Macharius is also a Greek spirit of happiness. So of course he had to be killed.

These aren't really easter eggs, so much as they are themes and people 40K based things off..

They're more like Tropes, in this case.

Anyway, here's one for you.
Cpt. Uriel Ventris, of the Ultramarines 4th company.
Uriel is the 4th Archangel of Heaven in some religious teachings.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:
Cpt. Uriel Ventris, of the Ultramarines 4th company.
Uriel is the 4th Archangel of Heaven in some religious teachings.

That's one I actually didn't know!

vorpal swords
now thats just plain Obvious!

http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/jabber/jabberwocky.html

broodstar wrote:Land raider Crusader is a reference to one of the WW2 tanks named... wait for it....The Crusader.

1938 Nuffield Mechanisation and Aero A-16 Crusader

No it isnt.


Abaddon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon

Short: Angel of the Abyss.

I live in Dark angel town lol!!!!

Something about someone called the same name as the poet or the poet was born or something along that line.

So we have a Dark angel banner to bring to games day lol

Arjac the Space Wolf uses a hammer that he throws and comes back to him. Thor anyone?

The Eldar are named after Tolkien's elves. In the Silmarillion, the elves are named the Eldar, which apparently translates from the elven language as "Star People"

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that part.

These are obvious, but since I haven't seen anyone else post them:

Logan Grimnar = Odin
Arjac Rockfist = Thor
Lukas the Trickster = Loki
Ulrik the Slayer = Ullr
Heimdall = Heimdall (didn't even spell if differently)
Ragnar Blackmane = Baldr
Njall Stormcaller = Njorer

The 'Land' Raider and 'Land' Speeder being named after the techno-archaeologist Arkhan Land was also a nod to Edwin Land, who developed the "Land Camera" (aka the 'polaroid' camera).

I always thought there must be some reference in that name. Sounds vaguely familiar somehow.


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Gauss Weapons named (IRL too) after Carl Friedrich Gauss

New Necrons build on the theme with weapons named after Nikola Tesla

One of the reasons that 40k has such a rich fluff is that pretty much everything is shamelessly 'borrowed' from either popular culture or ancient history. It's on of the reasons it's so popular - they've created a universe where, if I want, I can fight my space-Redcoats against your space-Ninjas against Optimus Prime. If I want.

So, Kaspar Hauser in Prospero Burns is a reference to the old german story of Casper Hauser, a boy who doesn't know where he's from.
D'onne Ulanti, the Necromunda Special Character with the cone-bra is better known as Mad Donna (Madonna)

Shakespeare references are quite common. Someone has also mentioned that Prospero is the main character in The Tempest (and the homeworld of the Thousand Sons). He has a slave called Caliban (Dark Angels' homeworld). Macbeth was Thane of Cawdor, and Cawdor are a Necromundan House.

And of course, who can forget the Rainbow Warriors chapter, named after the Greenpeace ship sunk a few years before 40k was written...

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Cpt. Uriel Ventris, of the Ultramarines 4th company.
Uriel is the 4th Archangel of Heaven in some religious teachings.

Dark Scipio wrote:Abaddon:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AbaddonShort: Angel of the Abyss.

Religious ones are actually pretty common - try googling pretty much any Dark Angels name. Most of them are ancient Christian or Jewish references to demons, who are of course 'Fallen' angels....

Azrael - archangel of death
Asmodai - king of demons
Belial - prince of hell

etc etc

Flight of the Eisenstein. It mentions the ship is named after two acient Terrans,a scientist and a remembrancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthold_Eisenstein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Eisenstein

Satan is referred to as Sayten is the HH books.

Fulgrim comes from the latin word "Fulg" meaning pure. He started pure and had a "grim" end= Fulgrim.

Typhus is also a disease.

Angron has a Sparactus backstory,led galdiator revolt and made a last stand on the slopes of the mountain.

Ahriman is the name of the evil deity in the Zoroastrianism faith.

Zweischneid wrote:

I always thought there must be some reference in that name. Sounds vaguely familiar somehow.


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Damn. Beat me to it.

I haven't checked and maybe there aren't any actual real connections but if the Grey Knights aren't inspired by Opus Dei and the Inquisitors by Torquemada I'll eat my helm !

Ulrik the Slayer - "Ulrich" means Wolf in German.
Canis Wolfborn - "Canis" is the genus that contains wolves (Canis Lupus).
In Njal Stormcaller's fluff for Nightwing, it says he saved a blacksmith named Ulf Blackbrow. Ulf is, inevitably, Scandinavian for "Wolf".
Gunnar Red Moon (one of the Wolf Lords) - "Gunnar" means Warrior in Scandinavian.
Harald Deathwolf - "Harold" means "Leader of the Army." Harald Deathwolf is a Wolf Lord who leads an entire army.


I could be wrong, but Ragnar might well be a reference to this guy, a Norse king and champion.

Fenris is almost certainly a reference to Fenrir, a monstrous wolf.

Someone else pointed it out, but Lukas the Trickster is a reference to Loki, a trickster god in Norse mythology.

GW was fairly blatant about making wolfy names for the Space Wolves, to say the least.

Magpie wrote:I haven't checked and maybe there aren't any actual real connections but if the Grey Knights aren't inspired by Opus Dei and the Inquisitors by Torquemada I'll eat my helm !

I thought the Inquisition was just the Spanish Inquisition in space. With guns.

Sir Samuel Buca wrote:

I thought the Inquisition was just the Spanish Inquisition in space. With guns.

There's clearly a play on the Malleus Maleficarum in there.

And Ordo Hereticus has got to be The Crucible, with their Puritan hats and all


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Sir Samuel Buca wrote:

Magpie wrote:I haven't checked and maybe there aren't any actual real connections but if the Grey Knights aren't inspired by Opus Dei and the Inquisitors by Torquemada I'll eat my helm !

I thought the Inquisition was just the Spanish Inquisition in space. With guns.

HAHAAAAA nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition !

Yeh kinda but they mix in a whole heap of other stuff too

Hell, IIRC the Inquisitor in DoW 1 says "No one expects the Imperial Inquisition." every time he is selected...

IDK, but the Commissar in DoW2 says "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword" if you embark him into a Chimera.

The amount of references to classical greece/rome are simply staggering. Some may just be similar without meaning it to be so. Most of the "posh sounding" words are either direct or slightly altered latin. Authors in the HH series make frequent links to classical events/mythology to draw smilies from.

Corvus Pattern Mk 6 Power Armour was.named in honour of the Raven Guard Legion, Primarch was Corax.

Don't know if it counts but the latiny scientific name for a raven is Corvus Corax or Corax Corvus. Not sure which.

The entire Heresy and fall of Horus is a direct copy of the fall of Lucifer from Heaven and the war between Heaven and Hell where the Angels are Space Marines, hence them being referred to as Angels of Death.

Locclo wrote:Ulrik the Slayer - "Ulrich" means Wolf in German.
Canis Wolfborn - "Canis" is the genus that contains wolves (Canis Lupus).
In Njal Stormcaller's fluff for Nightwing, it says he saved a blacksmith named Ulf Blackbrow. Ulf is, inevitably, Scandinavian for "Wolf".
Gunnar Red Moon (one of the Wolf Lords) - "Gunnar" means Warrior in Scandinavian.
Harald Deathwolf - "Harold" means "Leader of the Army." Harald Deathwolf is a Wolf Lord who leads an entire army.


I could be wrong, but Ragnar might well be a reference to this guy, a Norse king and champion.

Fenris is almost certainly a reference to Fenrir, a monstrous wolf.

Someone else pointed it out, but Lukas the Trickster is a reference to Loki, a trickster god in Norse mythology.

GW was fairly blatant about making wolfy names for the Space Wolves, to say the least.

And yet you leave out Erik Morkai and Irnst the Wise. For shame.

Another good one here: Wazzdakka Gutsmek's base of operations is the planet Skalex VI

Deadshot wrote: Corvus Corax or Corax Corvus. Not sure which.

Corvus Corax the Common Raven I think you got it right , it does count

Ciaphas Cain and his aid, are just coppied characters from an older TV show.

All I can say is that GW's intellectual property court battles must be a hoot ! Working out who owns what must be quite a circus

Inquisitor Karamazov is from Dostoyevsky's "The Brothers Karamazov"; it has a long chapter called "The Grand Inquisitor". Coteaz is Cortez.

Blood Angels have a lot to do with Hell:
Dante was a medieval poet who wrote about a descent into hell (if you've ever heard of the "seven circles of hell", this is where it's from).
Baal is a demon. Ditto for Astorath (Ashtaroth).
Mephiston is from Mephistopholes, an agent of the devil in "Faust".
Tyche was an Ancient Greek goddess.

And there's Prometheus, who gave fire to humans.

Dheneb wrote:
Baal is a demon

I thought he was a god of storms and destruction?

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Dheneb wrote:
Baal is a demon

I thought he was a god of storms and destruction?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal: Baal means "master/lord", also a substitute for Hadad, god of rains and thunder.

But he was also a demon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal_(demon)

RicBlasko wrote:Ciaphas Cain and his aid, are just coppied characters from an older TV show.

More an homage if you will. Same goes for Kal Jerico and Scabbs according to word of god (i.e. the author).

Leviathan and Behemoth are from the Bible as well. Leviathan is the demon representing envy, which kind of makes sense, Behemoth is a huge and powerful beast and Kraken is... a sea monster.

Gorgon is what Medusa is.

Dheneb wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Dheneb wrote:
Baal is a demon

I thought he was a god of storms and destruction?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal: Baal means "master/lord", also a substitute for Hadad, god of rains and thunder.

But he was also a demon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal_(demon)

Aaaaah, so dependent on context of use. Neato.

Deadshot wrote:Gorgon is what Medusa is.

There were THREE Gorgons (sisters). Medusa was ONE of them.

Euryale and Sthenno were her sisters. They didn't have the snake hair thing.

Dheneb wrote:Inquisitor Karamazov is from Dostoyevsky's "The Brothers Karamazov"; it has a long chapter called "The Grand Inquisitor". Coteaz is Cortez.

Coteaz can be seen as Cortez but he has a much more obvious reference if you look at his whole name: Torquemada Coteaz

Tomas de Torquemada was a 15th C Dominican and the first Grand Inquisitor of Spain. Not only is he of historical note but he comes up across a bunch of literature which has informed 40k.
He appears in:
The Brothers Karamazov
The writings of Victor Hugo
Longfellows writings
The Pit and the Pendulum

Lightcavalier wrote:

Dheneb wrote:Inquisitor Karamazov is from Dostoyevsky's "The Brothers Karamazov"; it has a long chapter called "The Grand Inquisitor". Coteaz is Cortez.

Coteaz can be seen as Cortez but he has a much more obvious reference if you look at his whole name: Torquemada Coteaz

Tomas de Torquemada was a 15th C Dominican and the first Grand Inquisitor of Spain. Not only is he of historical note but he comes up across a bunch of literature which has informed 40k.
He appears in:
The Brothers Karamazov
The writings of Victor Hugo
Longfellows writings
The Pit and the Pendulum

Damn beat me to it! Hehe you win 1 internetz

Lightcavalier wrote:

Dheneb wrote:Inquisitor Karamazov is from Dostoyevsky's "The Brothers Karamazov"; it has a long chapter called "The Grand Inquisitor". Coteaz is Cortez.

Coteaz can be seen as Cortez but he has a much more obvious reference if you look at his whole name: Torquemada Coteaz

Tomas de Torquemada was a 15th C Dominican and the first Grand Inquisitor of Spain. Not only is he of historical note but he comes up across a bunch of literature which has informed 40k.
He appears in:
The Brothers Karamazov
The writings of Victor Hugo
Longfellows writings
The Pit and the Pendulum
Monty Python

Fixed that for you!



Bet you weren't expecting that...

I'm pretty sure Ursukar E. Creed is George S. Patton, especially given the twin ivory-handled pistols he wears and the current color scheme the Cadians are using (very evocative of WWII US Army uniforms).

Durza wrote:Leviathan and Behemoth are from the Bible as well. Leviathan is the demon representing envy, which kind of makes sense, Behemoth is a huge and powerful beast and Kraken is... a sea monster.

Um, Leviathan is more generally known as sea monster than as demon. In Hebrew, Leviathan allegedly is the word for whale.

Famous "Destruction of Leviathan"

Captain Shrike or Nid Shrikes

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrike

Deadshot wrote:Captain Shrike or Nid Shrikes

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrike

Probably not an Easter Egg if it is just a Bird name. If it's from a 1989 sci fi novel that won many prestigious British sci-fi awards when 40K was in its infancy... perhaps than.

Durza wrote:Leviathan and Behemoth are from the Bible as well. Leviathan is the demon representing envy, which kind of makes sense, Behemoth is a huge and powerful beast and Kraken is... a sea monster.

All the Tyranid Hive Fleet are named after mythically large serpants

Naga: the Hindi word Nagi for the Indian Cobra.
Jörmungandr: the Norse myth of the World Serpant

Kraken: the sea monster
Behemoth: s a mythological beast mentioned in the Book of Job, 40:15-24.

Hydra: an ancient nameless serpent-like chthonic water beast, with reptilian traits, (as its name evinces) that possessed many heads

Leviathan: a sea monster referred to in the Bible. In Demonology, the Leviathan is one of the seven princes of Hell and its gatekeeper
Gorgon:The Gorgons were said to be the daughters of the sea god Phorcys and his sister-wife, Ceto the sea monster.


The Eldar call the Tyranids Shai'naid (Endlessly Winding Serpent)

They are serpents and sea monsters, can we stop calling them bugs!

Even where the Tyranids attacked first has symbolism.
"Lordly love is such a tyran fell."- Spenser.
The Tyranids will be the fall of the tyrant, the death of the emperor, the doom of the Imperium.

TL;DR

Captain lysander Shares a name with the spartan commander who led the sea battle near thermople(sp?)


Nom

The Chaos gods are inspired by the Eternal Champion series by Michael Moorcock I believe.
Demon weapons are from Elric of Melinbone.

Surprised no one got this one...

Vulkan is the the Primarch of the Salamanders, who live on a hot planet, right?

Star Trek's Vulcans live on the planet Vulcan which is a very hot planet (although not as inhospitable as Nocturne)

Also, I read that Salamanders begin recruiting as early as 7 years old... A reference to Pon-Far, (?) where a Vulcan's blood burns within him every 7 years...

Vulcan or someone like that was like a roman god who forged ghings or summing.

I'd more call them 'inspirations' rather than easter eggs, but....

Commander Farsight is a Gundam character (Char Aznable), the bomb squigs were used by the Soviets in WW2 (bomb dogs), the Ragnarock tank is a KV-2, the Vindicator is a Sturmtiger, and then there's the more obvious ones like Space Wolves being Norsemen/Werewolves.

Grey Templar wrote:IDK, but the Commissar in DoW2 says "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword" if you embark him into a Chimera.

One of the developers petitioned long and hard for GW to approve that.

nomsheep wrote:TL;DR

Captain lysander Shares a name with the spartan commander who led the sea battle near thermople(sp?)


Nom

Themistocles was the guy that commanded the naval forces at Thermopylae. Lysander was at Aegospotami.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:The Chaos gods are inspired by the Eternal Champion series by Michael Moorcock I believe.
Demon weapons are from Elric of Melinbone.

That is all.

What does a can of worms have to do with anything?

Let's see here, this easter egg is definitely old school:

In Rogue Trader, where you drew psychic powers from (aka the warp) was also known as "the force". If you were wondering where they got the name of "force sword" from, you now know!

I haven't read this entire thread yet but Obiwan Sherlock Closseau is probably one of the more "obvious" easter eggs hahaha

Sgt Bastonne=John Basilone...A marine who won the medal of honor on Guadalcanal. He rotated back to the world to sell warbonds. He would later reenlist and be killed on Iwo Jima. Actually quite intereseting. He was in the HBO series "The Pacific" . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Basilone

The Ultramarines are the 13th Legion... the Legion Julius Caesar used to stabilize Rome after a bloody civil war.

Everything about the UM is a reference to Grecco Roman culture and martial greatness

Marius Calgar is named after the general who reorganized the legions, Cato Sicarius is a conservative zealot, just like his Roman counter part (Cato), Agemmen is a perfect sub for Agemennon; etc (not so much Easter Eggs, but clearly makes the UM "Romans in space"; which explains both their awesomeness and the hater club that follows them, much like the real Rome).

CthuluIsSpy wrote:What does a can of worms have to do with anything?

Because you've just opened one with the Moorcock=Chaos reference.

The last chancers were the dirty dozen. Most of the spacemarine chapters are riffs on some kind of history or archetype, as alot of people have already pointed out. Konrad Kurze = Joseph Conrad + Colonel Kurtz. He's taken out by the assassin M'Shen (Martin Sheen plays the assassin in Apocalypse Now.) Ratlings are hobbits. Ogryns are, well, ogres. Just about every fantasy race is represented in one way or another.

The entire horus heresy story is basically a retelling of the christian myth of the fall of lucifer from heaven. The emperor is God, Horus is Lucifer, the primarchs and marines are the archangels and angels who have to choose up sides. The Eye of Terror is basically hell.

The necron ghost ark looks suspiciously like a cylon ressurrection ship...

The Esienstein from the HH novels is I think a nod to Sergei Eisenstein who made the film Battleship Potemkin about a ship which revolts against a tsarsit regime who massacre a ton of innocents.

Jakka wrote:I am convinced that Lord General Solar whatsit Macharius is General MacArthur

I think it's clear he is based on Alexander the Great.

Killian wrote:The entire Heresy and fall of Horus is a direct copy of the fall of Lucifer from Heaven and the war between Heaven and Hell where the Angels are Space Marines, hence them being referred to as Angels of Death.

Yes, specifically John Milton's 'Paradise Lost'. Lucifer's decision to choose free-will, and even live in a hell of ones own choosing if it meant an end to bondage. The famous quote 'better to reign in hell than serve in Heaven". The difference being that at least Lucifer had some kind of philosophy behind wanting to betray God, whereas Horus' change of heart is down to that most basic of plot devices; namely 'A wizard did it' (he was stabbed by a magic sword), then he grew black circles around his eyes, and started throwing bags of kittens into rivers and writing naughty messages to go inside fortune cookies.

I think its amusing that a poem series written almost 400 years ago has got a greater narrative and philosophical depth than a book series of 20-odd books written over the last decade.

Rottooth wrote:Surprised no one got this one...

Vulkan is the the Primarch of the Salamanders, who live on a hot planet, right?

Star Trek's Vulcans live on the planet Vulcan which is a very hot planet (although not as inhospitable as Nocturne)

Also, I read that Salamanders begin recruiting as early as 7 years old... A reference to Pon-Far, (?) where a Vulcan's blood burns within him every 7 years...

Yeah, that's not right at all. He's based on Vulcan, who was a Greek god of handling fire and forges: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(mythology)

Deadshot wrote:Vulcan or someone like that was like a roman god who forged ghings or summing.

vulcan was the roman Smith God who lived in a fiery mountain called Vulcano: where we get the Volcano from: the salamanders were based of this idea

Beat you to it by 56 seconds

Brother SRM wrote:He's based on Vulcan, who was a Greek god of handling fire and forges: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(mythology)

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:vulcan was the roman Smith God who lived in a fiery mountain called Vulcano: where we get the Volcano from: the salamanders were based of this idea

Brother SRM wrote:Beat you to it by 56 seconds

Yeh but you got it wrong. He was a Roman god not a greek god.

ifStatement wrote:

Jakka wrote:I am convinced that Lord General Solar whatsit Macharius is General MacArthur

I think it's clear he is based on Alexander the Great.

Welcome to three weeks ago

oh ok sorry

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Vulcan or someone like that was like a roman god who forged ghings or summing.

vulcan was the roman Smith God who lived in a fiery mountain called Vulcano: where we get the Volcano from: the salamanders were based of this idea

Ok, that makes more sense. But the Star Trek reference kinda fits too.

Speaking of the Vulcans... Watch Star Trek 3: A Search for Spock. Check out how the vulcans at the end are dressed. Some of them look kinda Eldar-ish.

The Sollex-Aegis Energy Blade mentioned in Dark Heresy: The Inquisitor's Handbook smacks of Lightsabre to me...

Oh, and the Dark Eldar remind me a bit of the Sabbat in Vampire: The Masquerade. Mandrakes are being s that can pop up from shadows and stuff... That sounds like a tame version of the Lasombra. And The haemonculi and their flesh-crafting experiments... That's a scary ringer for the Tzimisce.

Rottooth wrote:
Speaking of the Vulcans... Watch Star Trek 3: A Search for Spock. Check out how the vulcans at the end are dressed. Some of them look kinda Eldar-ish.

That's just because in the future people wear goofy clothes.

Brother SRM wrote:

Rottooth wrote:
Speaking of the Vulcans... Watch Star Trek 3: A Search for Spock. Check out how the vulcans at the end are dressed. Some of them look kinda Eldar-ish.

That's just because in the future people wear goofy clothes.

Hmmm... This is depressing news, because it means that in the future, I'll be wearing goofy clothes...

Cameron Baum wrote:
Hmmm... This is depressing news, because it means that in the future, I'll be wearing goofy clothes...

I dunno, that sounds pretty awesome to me. I can't wait for the Star Trek future where we all wear brightly colored polyester and minidresses.

Brother SRM wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
Hmmm... This is depressing news, because it means that in the future, I'll be wearing goofy clothes...

I dunno, that sounds pretty awesome to me. I can't wait for the Star Trek future where we all wear brightly colored polyester and minidresses.

Me in a minidress would field nightmares...

My favourite is Canis Wolfborn the Thunderwold-riding Wolf Guard to Wolf Lord Harald Deathwolf of the Space Wolves. I think it might be referencing some kind of animal.

Cameron Baum wrote:The Sollex-Aegis Energy Blade mentioned in Dark Heresy: The Inquisitor's Handbook smacks of Lightsabre to me...

I think this has been mentioned already, but that's actually taken directly from an Eisenhorn novel. Eisenhorn carried a Sollex-pattern powersword for quite some time, and was described as a "blade of pure energy"... so, yeah, there are patterns of powerswords that are lightsabers. The Lord Inquisitor NPC in my DH game carries one. Red bladed. Black power armor. Has an augmetic rebreather unit installed following a grievous combat injury.

If i remember correctly in one of the Salamander novels they meet a dragon warrior and at the end when he pops out his arm blades one of them asks

does it hurt when they come out?
Aye, everytime

X-men obvs

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

Horus in Ancient Egypt.

The word "Malal" means, in some language or another, malice, and Malal the Chaos god is the god of nihilism and spite. And now he is referred to as that name.

TrollPie wrote:My favourite is Canis Wolfborn the Thunderwold-riding Wolf Guard to Wolf Lord Harald Deathwolf of the Space Wolves. I think it might be referencing some kind of animal.

I can't possibly imagine how you could come to that conclusion.

Psienesis wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:The Sollex-Aegis Energy Blade mentioned in Dark Heresy: The Inquisitor's Handbook smacks of Lightsabre to me...

I think this has been mentioned already, but that's actually taken directly from an Eisenhorn novel. Eisenhorn carried a Sollex-pattern powersword for quite some time, and was described as a "blade of pure energy"... so, yeah, there are patterns of powerswords that are lightsabers. The Lord Inquisitor NPC in my DH game carries one. Red bladed. Black power armor. Has an augmetic rebreather unit installed following a grievous combat injury.

Believe it or not, I was the first on the thread to mention it. And the fluff matched lightsabres quite well.

Magpie wrote:I haven't checked and maybe there aren't any actual real connections but if the Grey Knights aren't inspired by Opus Dei and the Inquisitors by Torquemada I'll eat my helm !

Actually, those grey knights have a very different inspiration.




Leodegarius and Arturus are the most blatent, but almost all the early Grey Knights were refereences to the Arthurian Cycle.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Magpie wrote:I haven't checked and maybe there aren't any actual real connections but if the Grey Knights aren't inspired by Opus Dei and the Inquisitors by Torquemada I'll eat my helm !

Actually, those grey knights have a very different inspiration.




Leodegarius and Arturus are the most blatent, but almost all the early Grey Knights were refereences to the Arthurian Cycle.

Isn't that round table in Winchester?

So... does that mean that Kaldor Draego is King Arthur?

Brother SRM wrote:

broodstar wrote:So this week I've learned that the Dark Angel codex and their primarch is actual a reference to a poem by you guessed it Lionel Johnson. A there anyone references to book and thing in 40k?

And his poem Dark Angel was about unrequited love for another man. The DA's old "secret" was that they were gay. Then the GW writers realized that was a horrible joke and just made half of them fall to Chaos instead, retconning out that one bit.

Al'Raheim is Lawrence of Arabia, Ghazgkull Thrakka is Margaret Thatcher, Pedro Kantor is named after Peter Kantor, one of the original GW designers, Sgt. Bastonne is based on a real person but I can't recall who, as is pretty much every special character.

The amount of Dune references, from nomenclature to whole ideas is pretty staggering as well. Lasguns, glowglobes, chapterhouses, and plenty of other terminology comes straight from the books. Navigators are largely the same as they are, Bene Gesserit are psykers, and Sardaukar are similar to Marines in many regards. Marines come more from Starship Troopers than anything else though, while Imperial society and hive cities are straight out of, well, Dune, and Judge Dredd.

All sci fi borrows from everything else, 40k is just a huge melting pot of ideas, concepts, and characters that make it distinctive.

While I agree there are some Dune references, sci-fi is a group of ideas, and some are inevitably going to be similar to others. Without getting silly, there are only so many sci-fi models for giant cities, and Starship troopers started the idea of space marines, but Astartes end their similarities there, and are clearly better thought out than most SM arch-types (they invented 18 different space marine organs with their own names and functions, I don't think I can name any other SMs with 18 different genetic alterations, plus they basically made them supersoldiers designed to be better than other supersoldiers).


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You know, I think my favourite 40k reference though is Talos the Nightlord. Talos is the name of a giant bronze golem/automaton from greek mythology who was basically unstoppable.

imrandomghgh wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

broodstar wrote:So this week I've learned that the Dark Angel codex and their primarch is actual a reference to a poem by you guessed it Lionel Johnson. A there anyone references to book and thing in 40k?

And his poem Dark Angel was about unrequited love for another man. The DA's old "secret" was that they were gay. Then the GW writers realized that was a horrible joke and just made half of them fall to Chaos instead, retconning out that one bit.

Al'Raheim is Lawrence of Arabia, Ghazgkull Thrakka is Margaret Thatcher, Pedro Kantor is named after Peter Kantor, one of the original GW designers, Sgt. Bastonne is based on a real person but I can't recall who, as is pretty much every special character.

The amount of Dune references, from nomenclature to whole ideas is pretty staggering as well. Lasguns, glowglobes, chapterhouses, and plenty of other terminology comes straight from the books. Navigators are largely the same as they are, Bene Gesserit are psykers, and Sardaukar are similar to Marines in many regards. Marines come more from Starship Troopers than anything else though, while Imperial society and hive cities are straight out of, well, Dune, and Judge Dredd.

All sci fi borrows from everything else, 40k is just a huge melting pot of ideas, concepts, and characters that make it distinctive.

While I agree there are some Dune references, sci-fi is a group of ideas, and some are inevitably going to be similar to others. Without getting silly, there are only so many sci-fi models for giant cities, and Starship troopers started the idea of space marines, but Astartes end their similarities there, and are clearly better thought out than most SM arch-types (they invented 18 different space marine organs with their own names and functions, I don't think I can name any other SMs with 18 different genetic alterations, plus they basically made them supersoldiers designed to be better than other supersoldiers).


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You know, I think my favourite 40k reference though is Talos the Nightlord. Talos is the name of a giant bronze golem/automaton from greek mythology who was basically unstoppable.

Tyranids= Bugs from Starship Trooper/Alien
Sisters of Battle=Fish Speakers
SM=Sardaukar+Mobile Infantry
Warp Navigaters=Guild Navigators
Immortal man is called God Emperor of the Imperium, after having to make himself immobilised to rule for thousands of years= Leto II, immortal, and undergoes a change that makes him immobile that makes him the God Emperor of the known universe. (happens in a book called... The God Emperor Of Dune.)
Warp(cross with Star Wars' Hyperspace and Lovecrafts worst nightmares) is a realm that can give psychic power, but is dangerous to use=Spice Melange

I'm certain that others can produce more...

Tyranids are serpents from many mythologies.

Cameron Baum wrote:
Isn't that round table in Winchester?

So... does that mean that Kaldor Draego is King Arthur?

Yes,

and

Only in the sense that Matt Ward thinks he's Mallory.

Tyranids= Bugs from Starship Trooper/Alien
Sisters of Battle=Fish Speakers
SM=Sardaukar+Mobile Infantry
Warp Navigaters=Guild Navigators
Immortal man is called God Emperor of the Imperium, after having to make himself immobilised to rule for thousands of years= Leto II, immortal, and undergoes a change that makes him immobile that makes him the God Emperor of the known universe. (happens in a book called... The God Emperor Of Dune.)
Warp(cross with Star Wars' Hyperspace and Lovecrafts worst nightmares) is a realm that can give psychic power, but is dangerous to use=Spice Melange

Bugs in space is a more common concept then you give credit for.
A stretch, but whatever. Granted, kinda.
Being elite troopers is all they have in common with sardaukar. If anything, sardakaur are more like the penal legion.
Granted.
Being enormously powerful but can't walk? Maybe they BOTH copied professor X? See how ridiculous this one is?
Power having a price is as old as fiction, don't try to make that a Dune comparison. Also, FTL involving dropping out of the material world is in almost ubiquitous in sci-fi that has FTL.

imrandomghgh wrote:

Tyranids= Bugs from Starship Trooper/Alien
Sisters of Battle=Fish Speakers
SM=Sardaukar+Mobile Infantry
Warp Navigaters=Guild Navigators
Immortal man is called God Emperor of the Imperium, after having to make himself immobilised to rule for thousands of years= Leto II, immortal, and undergoes a change that makes him immobile that makes him the God Emperor of the known universe. (happens in a book called... The God Emperor Of Dune.)
Warp(cross with Star Wars' Hyperspace and Lovecrafts worst nightmares) is a realm that can give psychic power, but is dangerous to use=Spice Melange

Being enormously powerful but can't walk? Maybe they BOTH copied professor X? See how ridiculous this one is?
Power having a price is as old as fiction, don't try to make that a Dune comparison. Also, FTL involving dropping out of the material world is in almost ubiquitous in sci-fi that has FTL.

Last I checked, Charles Xavier isn't Immortal, and hasn't evolved into a giant worm. X-Men didn't really get off the ground until 1975, and that was after years of being cancelled. And thinking about it, the Emprah doing the whole Crusade thingy makes me think of Paul Atreidies and his Fremen revolution. And he was the most powerful man born, created by powerful psychics manipulating a breeding program to create him.

Also, there have been periods when Xavier can walk, and let us not forget the morally dubious acts he has committed. He is no saint, far from it. And Leto II mutated himself into a human/worm hybrid, which made him physically next to impossible to kill. And he had deliberately made himself a tyrant, manipulating humanity for millennia, to breed out the right kind of Psychic, one that can't bee seen with prescience. Isn't the Emprah doing the exact type of thing? Staying alive to guide humanity until it has developed enough psychically?

imrandomghgh wrote:
Bugs in space is a more common concept then you give credit for

Well, bugs in space is a concept that was more or less invented as we know it with Heinlein's Starship Troopers back in the 50's. Genestealers were straight out of Alien and Aliens also.

Sneaky one:

Russian word for steel, in cyrillic text: сталь = Ctan

Has anyone mentioned Kruellagh the Vile yet? Only DE (previous codex) would have a SC named after her

Hmm, I think you can look to the works of Lovecraft and his contemporaries for more "bugs in space" fiction. Heinlein doesn't have a lock on that. His bugs, too, are not mindless killing machines (like they are depicted as in the film).

Psienesis wrote:Hmm, I think you can look to the works of Lovecraft and his contemporaries for more "bugs in space" fiction. Heinlein doesn't have a lock on that. His bugs, too, are not mindless killing machines (like they are depicted as in the film).

some of the bugs in the films have intelligence ranging from genius to limited.

Nom

Only the brain-bugs, while the line-trooper bug that attacks the MI in massive waves are, essentially, mindless. This was not the case in the book, where even the basic troop-bug was a sentient, intelligent being.

The Mobile Infantry's influence on Space Marines as we know them are stronger if you have read the book.

The Starship Trooper MI are more like Blood angels Dreadnaughts or Terminators than the IG the movie made them into. Performing Sub-orbital HALO drops in Powered Armor that, when combined with the soldier's 3 cent value, added up to about $40,000,000.03 a pop.

imrandomghgh wrote:

Tyranids= Bugs from Starship Trooper/Alien
Sisters of Battle=Fish Speakers
SM=Sardaukar+Mobile Infantry
Warp Navigaters=Guild Navigators
Immortal man is called God Emperor of the Imperium, after having to make himself immobilised to rule for thousands of years= Leto II, immortal, and undergoes a change that makes him immobile that makes him the God Emperor of the known universe. (happens in a book called... The God Emperor Of Dune.)
Warp(cross with Star Wars' Hyperspace and Lovecrafts worst nightmares) is a realm that can give psychic power, but is dangerous to use=Spice Melange

Bugs in space is a more common concept then you give credit for.
A stretch, but whatever. Granted, kinda.
Being elite troopers is all they have in common with sardaukar. If anything, sardakaur are more like the penal legion.
Granted.
Being enormously powerful but can't walk? Maybe they BOTH copied professor X? See how ridiculous this one is?
Power having a price is as old as fiction, don't try to make that a Dune comparison. Also, FTL involving dropping out of the material world is in almost ubiquitous in sci-fi that has FTL.

Even the writers themselves at the time admitted they had been heavily influenced by Dune. There have been entire topics written about it, suffice to say if you were around at the time of RT it was obvious that Dune had been a big influence on the creation of the 40k universe.

Cameron Baum wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

Tyranids= Bugs from Starship Trooper/Alien
Sisters of Battle=Fish Speakers
SM=Sardaukar+Mobile Infantry
Warp Navigaters=Guild Navigators
Immortal man is called God Emperor of the Imperium, after having to make himself immobilised to rule for thousands of years= Leto II, immortal, and undergoes a change that makes him immobile that makes him the God Emperor of the known universe. (happens in a book called... The God Emperor Of Dune.)
Warp(cross with Star Wars' Hyperspace and Lovecrafts worst nightmares) is a realm that can give psychic power, but is dangerous to use=Spice Melange

Being enormously powerful but can't walk? Maybe they BOTH copied professor X? See how ridiculous this one is?
Power having a price is as old as fiction, don't try to make that a Dune comparison. Also, FTL involving dropping out of the material world is in almost ubiquitous in sci-fi that has FTL.

Last I checked, Charles Xavier isn't Immortal, and hasn't evolved into a giant worm. X-Men didn't really get off the ground until 1975, and that was after years of being cancelled. And thinking about it, the Emprah doing the whole Crusade thingy makes me think of Paul Atreidies and his Fremen revolution. And he was the most powerful man born, created by powerful psychics manipulating a breeding program to create him.

Also, there have been periods when Xavier can walk, and let us not forget the morally dubious acts he has committed. He is no saint, far from it. And Leto II mutated himself into a human/worm hybrid, which made him physically next to impossible to kill. And he had deliberately made himself a tyrant, manipulating humanity for millennia, to breed out the right kind of Psychic, one that can't bee seen with prescience. Isn't the Emprah doing the exact type of thing? Staying alive to guide humanity until it has developed enough psychically?

Emprah hasn't evolved into a giant worm either, so that's a moot point. It doesn't matter than it wasn't hugely successful until 1975, it's been around longer.

Okay, now you're getting silly. Taking power after launching a revolution? Really? Because the first time that was ever thought up was Dune? Plus, the crusade was nothing like the revolution, because the revolution was toppling an already corrupt system, the GC was uniting a not-yet-corrupted one. Xavier commited immoral acts? The Emperor's lying and deceit caused the single greatest tragedy since the Men of Iron. The Emperor is no saint either. The Emprah and Xavier never mutated horrifically into giant worm creatures, or at all, ever. The Emperor of Man never did anything like what Leto did, he never tried to use eugenics to create perfect psykers. In fact at Nikaea he banned them from the ranks of his children.


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Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:The Mobile Infantry's influence on Space Marines as we know them are stronger if you have read the book.

The Starship Trooper MI are more like Blood angels Dreadnaughts or Terminators than the IG the movie made them into. Performing Sub-orbital HALO drops in Powered Armor that, when combined with the soldier's 3 cent value, added up to about $40,000,000.03 a pop.

Their 40k equivalent is terminators at best, Dreadnoughts are on another scale entirely.

But when you really look at it, I would have to say crisis suits are probably the best equivalent. Equipped with massively powerful guns, wearing huge armour, being strong enough to crush tanks...They both match all these criteria. Plus, jump packs.

imrandomghgh wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

Tyranids= Bugs from Starship Trooper/Alien
Sisters of Battle=Fish Speakers
SM=Sardaukar+Mobile Infantry
Warp Navigaters=Guild Navigators
Immortal man is called God Emperor of the Imperium, after having to make himself immobilised to rule for thousands of years= Leto II, immortal, and undergoes a change that makes him immobile that makes him the God Emperor of the known universe. (happens in a book called... The God Emperor Of Dune.)
Warp(cross with Star Wars' Hyperspace and Lovecrafts worst nightmares) is a realm that can give psychic power, but is dangerous to use=Spice Melange

Being enormously powerful but can't walk? Maybe they BOTH copied professor X? See how ridiculous this one is?
Power having a price is as old as fiction, don't try to make that a Dune comparison. Also, FTL involving dropping out of the material world is in almost ubiquitous in sci-fi that has FTL.

Last I checked, Charles Xavier isn't Immortal, and hasn't evolved into a giant worm. X-Men didn't really get off the ground until 1975, and that was after years of being cancelled. And thinking about it, the Emprah doing the whole Crusade thingy makes me think of Paul Atreidies and his Fremen revolution. And he was the most powerful man born, created by powerful psychics manipulating a breeding program to create him.

Also, there have been periods when Xavier can walk, and let us not forget the morally dubious acts he has committed. He is no saint, far from it. And Leto II mutated himself into a human/worm hybrid, which made him physically next to impossible to kill. And he had deliberately made himself a tyrant, manipulating humanity for millennia, to breed out the right kind of Psychic, one that can't bee seen with prescience. Isn't the Emprah doing the exact type of thing? Staying alive to guide humanity until it has developed enough psychically?

Emprah hasn't evolved into a giant worm either, so that's a moot point. It doesn't matter than it wasn't hugely successful until 1975, it's been around longer.

Okay, now you're getting silly. Taking power after launching a revolution? Really? Because the first time that was ever thought up was Dune? Plus, the crusade was nothing like the revolution, because the revolution was toppling an already corrupt system, the GC was uniting a not-yet-corrupted one. Xavier commited immoral acts? The Emperor's lying and deceit caused the single greatest tragedy since the Men of Iron. The Emperor is no saint either. The Emprah and Xavier never mutated horrifically into giant worm creatures, or at all, ever. The Emperor of Man never did anything like what Leto did, he never tried to use eugenics to create perfect psykers. In fact at Nikaea he banned them from the ranks of his children.

Sorry to nitpick here, but can you rephrase your argument in such a way that it makes sense? I have no idea if you are referring to the Emperor of Mankind, Charles Xavier or Emperor Leto II.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:

imrandomghgh wrote:

Tyranids= Bugs from Starship Trooper/Alien
Sisters of Battle=Fish Speakers
SM=Sardaukar+Mobile Infantry
Warp Navigaters=Guild Navigators
Immortal man is called God Emperor of the Imperium, after having to make himself immobilised to rule for thousands of years= Leto II, immortal, and undergoes a change that makes him immobile that makes him the God Emperor of the known universe. (happens in a book called... The God Emperor Of Dune.)
Warp(cross with Star Wars' Hyperspace and Lovecrafts worst nightmares) is a realm that can give psychic power, but is dangerous to use=Spice Melange

Being enormously powerful but can't walk? Maybe they BOTH copied professor X? See how ridiculous this one is?
Power having a price is as old as fiction, don't try to make that a Dune comparison. Also, FTL involving dropping out of the material world is in almost ubiquitous in sci-fi that has FTL.

Last I checked, Charles Xavier isn't Immortal, and hasn't evolved into a giant worm. X-Men didn't really get off the ground until 1975, and that was after years of being cancelled. And thinking about it, the Emprah doing the whole Crusade thingy makes me think of Paul Atreidies and his Fremen revolution. And he was the most powerful man born, created by powerful psychics manipulating a breeding program to create him.

Also, there have been periods when Xavier can walk, and let us not forget the morally dubious acts he has committed. He is no saint, far from it. And Leto II mutated himself into a human/worm hybrid, which made him physically next to impossible to kill. And he had deliberately made himself a tyrant, manipulating humanity for millennia, to breed out the right kind of Psychic, one that can't bee seen with prescience. Isn't the Emprah doing the exact type of thing? Staying alive to guide humanity until it has developed enough psychically?

Emprah hasn't evolved into a giant worm either, so that's a moot point. It doesn't matter than it wasn't hugely successful until 1975, it's been around longer.

Okay, now you're getting silly. Taking power after launching a revolution? Really? Because the first time that was ever thought up was Dune? Plus, the crusade was nothing like the revolution, because the revolution was toppling an already corrupt system, the GC was uniting a not-yet-corrupted one. Xavier commited immoral acts? The Emperor's lying and deceit caused the single greatest tragedy since the Men of Iron. The Emperor is no saint either. The Emprah and Xavier never mutated horrifically into giant worm creatures, or at all, ever. The Emperor of Man never did anything like what Leto did, he never tried to use eugenics to create perfect psykers. In fact at Nikaea he banned them from the ranks of his children.

Sorry to nitpick here, but can you rephrase your argument in such a way that it makes sense? I have no idea if you are referring to the Emperor of Mankind, Charles Xavier or Emperor Leto II.

When I say Emperor, I mean emperor of man. I say Leto for Leto, not emperor.

Help? I don't want to re-write it, but I will if you insist.

Fairly obvious - Adeptus Arbites are Judge Dredd

Chagatai Khan was one of Genghis Khan's kids

Roboute Guilliman - sounds French to me, which is odd considering the Greco-Roman theme. There must be something to it? Charles de Gaulle wrote a new French constitution, but that seems a bit tenuous...

Lupercal (as in Horus Lupercal) is the cave where Romulus and Remus were found...

Erebus, the one who turned Lorgar to Chaos, was a god of darkness in Greek mythology.

"Father, why have you forsaken me?" anyone? Horus as Jesus, Emperor as god... Not very subtle...

More King Arthur and Mordred

The storyline is pretty much exactly the same as a good chunk of Arthurian myth,including the mutual-gib, with Mordred dying by Arthur's hand, and Arthur mortally wounded and put into suspended animation.



I don't recall Jesus Pimpslapping the Almighty into ICU


If the BL novelists feel like plagarizing the bible, they wouldn't be the first

Stuff about the Eldar:

Their word for 'Human' is Mon-Keigh... monkey...
On that note, the Tau word for Human is something akin to Gorilla.

The story of Isha is really similar to the story of Persephone of Greek Myth. A fertility/harvest goddess abducted by the god of death (Nurgle), a polar opposite.

Cegorech is Loki in every way from being a trickster, betraying the other gods, and surviving Ragnarok.

The Fall of the Eldar and The War in Heaven is Rangarok.

The Eldar themselves are the Light Elves and Dark Elves of Norse myth.

Phoenix Lords obviously got their name because whenever they die, they're reborn.

Asuryan is Tyr. Mind nod to the word "Aesir".

Eldanesh is Baldr.

Vaul is Wayland, the Norse God of the forge. Both were bound by force to create tons of their great weapons and betrayed their enslaver.

Banshees are female ghosts that scream at you until you die.

The Infinity Circuit and the Craftwords themselves are the Norse Yggdrasil, the World-Tree. Eldar even have a myth about creating a God out of the collective souls of all their dead called "Ynnead".

The Warp is Hel, the location.

The C'Tan are Satan by name and function.

The Nightbringer is the Grim Reaper.

The Deceiver is known as "Mephet'ran", Mephistopheles by name and function.

Grey Templar wrote:The Sanguinor is Space Jesus

Brother SRM wrote:Corax's final words are probably the single most groan-worthy bit of fluff in all of 40k. It's such a bad joke.

Indeed, 'Quote the Ravenguard "Never More"'

It is more groan worthy than that. Corax's full name is Corvus Corax, which is the scientific name of the common raven. It isn't quoth the Raven Guard "Nevermore" it is literally 'Quoth the Raven "Nevermore."'


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Absolutionis wrote:
Their word for 'Human' is Mon-Keigh... monkey...
On that note, the Tau word for Human is something akin to Gorilla.

The monkey one is pretty noticeable, but I never noticed the similarity between Gue'la and gorilla.


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Fifty wrote:
Roboute Guilliman - sounds French to me, which is odd considering the Greco-Roman theme. There must be something to it? Charles de Gaulle wrote a new French constitution, but that seems a bit tenuous...

He is obviously based off of Robert Guillaume (Black American television actor from the 60s). Obviously.

I know it hasn't been used in a while but I want to add this to the thread. From WhisperingWorlds forum

Azrael
Angel of Death
Azrael is "forever writing in a large book and forever erasing what he writes: what he writes is the birth of man, what he erases is the name of the man at death." Other faiths name the Angel of Death as a different angel
In Judeo-Christian lore, Michael, Gabriel, Sammael, and Sariel all all named as the angel of death.
In Zoroastrianism the angel of death is Mairya.


The bolded bits. Azrael is Chapter Master of the DA and Sammael is Master of the Ravenwing. Angels of Death.