is an older model being refurbished. And it costs 5 bucks more than it used to (it was 8.50 before, right?). I was underwhelmed by the whole release.

GW: We price our products on how much people purchase, can field in their armies.

Customer: We love some of those models, game wise if we like the units enough , we already convert them,
or have a count as of it already. If we get these new ones ( despite it being cool!!! ) it also means we have twice the products we can actually use.
If we want to be "wowed" by new products, we rather have ones that are new not ( x years old )

GW: We can't predict what you guys are willing to buy, the plastic molds for these cost way too much,
price adjustment time

Obviously you don't use Tyranids. And for the hive tyrant, the 5 dollar increase for.the wings upgrade is a deal and a half. Heck, its almost half the model! I am berg impressed about the new pieces, considering people have been complaining about most of the new pieces being unavailable from GW since their introductions in their respective coerces.

I like the Tervigon kit a whole lot. It just looks SO good! I have no need for the Tyrants.

The new models look amazing.

The Tervigon is a good model, sure, but the Tyrannofex is awful. Technically you'll only use the one that looks good anyway, but that's a point against GW on a couple levels. And adding wings to the Tyrant is not an amazing feat. On one hand, the codex makes Flyrants bad, and on the other, converting a Flyrant is so easy everyone already has one. Plus, the Rippers are an older 3rd edition model. They have more recent Rippers already, but didn't bother to make an actual sprue for them.

I'll admit that I found the Swarmlord a bit underwhelming

King Pariah wrote:I'll admit that I found the Swarmlord a bit underwhelming

It's because it looks like he is weilding bone daggers instead of Bone Sabres.

Sasori wrote:

King Pariah wrote:I'll admit that I found the Swarmlord a bit underwhelming

It's because it looks like he is weilding bone daggers instead of Bone Sabres.

Daggers are hardly half as long as the body of the wielder, espaccally if the wielder is Monster. Sure it aint longswords, but they would be to long for even shortswords.

Dark Scipio wrote:

Sasori wrote:

King Pariah wrote:I'll admit that I found the Swarmlord a bit underwhelming

It's because it looks like he is weilding bone daggers instead of Bone Sabres.

Daggers are hardly half as long as the body of the wielder, espaccally if the wielder is Monster. Sure it aint longswords, but they would be to long for even shortswords.

It's not terrible, but it is fairly generic-looking. Nothing about that model screams "special character," really.

So you're complaining that they rereleased a couple sculpts, something GW does with basically every single release? You can solve this problem by not buying those models, and instead focusing on the really nice plastics they just released.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:

Sasori wrote:

King Pariah wrote:I'll admit that I found the Swarmlord a bit underwhelming

It's because it looks like he is weilding bone daggers instead of Bone Sabres.

Daggers are hardly half as long as the body of the wielder, espaccally if the wielder is Monster. Sure it aint longswords, but they would be to long for even shortswords.

It's not terrible, but it is fairly generic-looking. Nothing about that model screams "special character," really.

Thats right, I personally think the sword macht him fine and give him finesse, but there is really anything ,,special". Although the Swarmlord is the least Special of all special characters.

Tervigon is the new benchmark for GW-stupidity. Birthing gaunts with guns? Really? Shoulda used Hormagaunts at least.

They'd done a lot better if they'd just left the model in the design nirvana and stealth-edited the Tervigon from the Codex next update.

I really like the Tervigon/Tyrannofex model they released. The Hive Tyrant in plastic is a great idea and we now finally get the Swarmlord! Its about fething time!

Zweischneid wrote:Tervigon is the new benchmark for GW-stupidity. Birthing gaunts with guns? Really? Shoulda used Hormagaunts at least.

They'd done a lot better if they'd just left the model in the design nirvana and stealth-edited the Tervigon from the Codex next update.

Tyranid weapons are organic, they're like beehives growing out of the creatures own body. Not that dumb.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tyranid weapons are organic, they're like beehives growing out of the creatures own body. Not that dumb.

I know that. Still LOOKs dumb because, unlike a bee-stinger, those "organic" weapons still look like "guns" grabbed by a creature. And they are still (including the ammunition) largly seperate organisms. A "bee-hive" nesting in another creater would still, well, need to nest their first. It cannot do that if said host-creature is itself not even born yet.

Tervigon looks exactly as described. Complaints are unfounded.

Zweischneid wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tyranid weapons are organic, they're like beehives growing out of the creatures own body. Not that dumb.

I know that. Still LOOKs dumb because, unlike a bee-stinger, those "organic" weapons still look like "guns" grabbed by a creature. And they are still (including the ammunition) largly seperate organisms. A "bee-hive" nesting in another creater would still, well, need to nest their first. It cannot do that if said host-creature is itself not even born yet.

Who the hell cares. It's 40k, and 40k isn't a very sci-fiy universe when you think about the science itself. It has an in-universe explanation, it doesn't need a scientific one.

Just looking at the 360 degree look and looking at it head on, the front of the gun looks like a vagina. At least looking at it sideways it doesn't but head on, It was a bit of a shocker.

First Raveners now Tyrannofex.

What is it with GW making vaginas on Tyranid minis? And this is uppose to be family friendly LOL.

I have two Chapterhouse Tervigon conversions already, but if the Tyrannofex gets an upgrade next 'dex it might be worth it and just magnetize the arms with the gun options. ANd I for one like the new Tyrant, I have one of the metal ones and don't mind getting the wings or a plastic model for the sake of weight and space.

Don't really like the Tervigon/Tyrannofex model. Just an elongated Carnifex with an egg sac/guns, IMO. Meh.

Might change my mind when I get to see one in person, though.

Dark Scipio wrote:

Sasori wrote:

King Pariah wrote:I'll admit that I found the Swarmlord a bit underwhelming

It's because it looks like he is weilding bone daggers instead of Bone Sabres.

Daggers are hardly half as long as the body of the wielder, espaccally if the wielder is Monster. Sure it aint longswords, but they would be to long for even shortswords.

It was a bit of an exaggeration, but I still think they should be at least 1/3rd longer than they are. The Boneswords look better than the Sabres to me.

I have the Chapterhouse Boneswords, and personally I think they look a lot better than these Bonesabres.

I AM glad I waited for the Tervigon kit. I nabbed 2 of those, and 1 Tyrannofex.

I have 3x chapterhouse tervigons which i think ill keep as my "troop tervigons" and eventually buy a gw tervigon and make that a "hq tervigon" (a "tervigon prime" if you will....)

Right now i have on order a swarmlord and a tfex/terv kit but will make it a tfex first

Marzillius wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tyranid weapons are organic, they're like beehives growing out of the creatures own body. Not that dumb.

I know that. Still LOOKs dumb because, unlike a bee-stinger, those "organic" weapons still look like "guns" grabbed by a creature. And they are still (including the ammunition) largly seperate organisms. A "bee-hive" nesting in another creater would still, well, need to nest their first. It cannot do that if said host-creature is itself not even born yet.

Who the hell cares. It's 40k, and 40k isn't a very sci-fiy universe when you think about the science itself. It has an in-universe explanation, it doesn't need a scientific one.

This. This game universe has Daemons. Any and all realism ended right there with that.

hsojvvad wrote:Just looking at the 360 degree look and looking at it head on, the front of the gun looks like a vagina. At least looking at it sideways it doesn't but head on, It was a bit of a shocker.

First Raveners now Tyrannofex.

What is it with GW making vaginas on Tyranid minis? And this is uppose to be family friendly LOL.

Think gribblies are just going back to their roots.

I have 3x chapterhouse tervigons which i think ill keep as my "troop tervigons" and eventually buy a gw tervigon and make that a "hq tervigon" (a "tervigon prime" if you will....)

Right now i have on order a swarmlord and a tfex/terv kit but will make it a tfex first

hsojvvad wrote:Just looking at the 360 degree look and looking at it head on, the front of the gun looks like a vagina. At least looking at it sideways it doesn't but head on, It was a bit of a shocker.

First Raveners now Tyrannofex.

What is it with GW making vaginas on Tyranid minis? And this is uppose to be family friendly LOL.

Well, it's a natural orifice. What's it supposed to look like ? (Also, I think we didn't look at the same model.)

Think about it. How do Tyranid weapons work ? Basically, they are hardened flesh tubes triggered by muscular spasms to fire their load... See, you didn't have to look at it head on.
Ain't it a credible mechanism ? Again, that's 100% organic guns we're talking about. Nothing shocking to me.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Marzillius wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tyranid weapons are organic, they're like beehives growing out of the creatures own body. Not that dumb.

I know that. Still LOOKs dumb because, unlike a bee-stinger, those "organic" weapons still look like "guns" grabbed by a creature. And they are still (including the ammunition) largly seperate organisms. A "bee-hive" nesting in another creater would still, well, need to nest their first. It cannot do that if said host-creature is itself not even born yet.

Who the hell cares. It's 40k, and 40k isn't a very sci-fiy universe when you think about the science itself. It has an in-universe explanation, it doesn't need a scientific one.

This. This game universe has Daemons. Any and all realism ended right there with that.

So if GW ever makes Emperior's golden throne count as jet pack when ever he poops, you wont think its stupid?
under "40k isnt realistic anyways"

rockerbikie wrote:The new models look amazing.

Agreed - I like all of them!

DarkHound wrote:I was underwhelmed by the whole release.

Not a Tyranid player, I assume?

This release contained 6 releases (in 2 kits and 2 bits packs) people have been screaming for - Tyrannofex, Tervigon, Swarmlord and Winged Hive Tyrant (people have been asking for this since they introduced the wings biomorph for Hive Tyrants in 3rd edition). Not to mention one of them was something else people have wanted since 4th edition - the Hive Tyrant kit in plastic. Boneswords and bonesword/lashwhip for Warriors is something else people have wanted since they reintroduced those in 5th edition. I get that some of these things have had 3rd party releases over time, but the official models are awesome.

I can understand being underwhelmed by some of the release. Really, who is going to buy finecast rippers (you get rippers for free with Termagants, Hormagaunts, Warriors and Genestealers, and with the Tervigon release, people will be buying lots of Termagants), finecast Old One Eye (which is the 3rd edition model, and completely unnecessary wince you can specifically make him with the Carnifex kit - the regeneration head is basically Old One Eye), or finecast Red Terror? Finecast Biovore and Spore Mines is arguable, some will like it and some won't.

The whole release though? You can't be a Tyranid player.

-Loki- wrote:The whole release though? You can't be a Tyranid player.

Or perhaps because he IS a tyranid player that its underwhelmed.

As i mentioned, who ever needed those units already built their own.
So the new release basically means " is this new one awe someone enough for me to buy it to replace my old ones"

Its understandable totally.

Though its sort of large and cool, like someone mentioned, can get it for Alpha Tervigon

Zweischneid wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tyranid weapons are organic, they're like beehives growing out of the creatures own body. Not that dumb.

I know that. Still LOOKs dumb because, unlike a bee-stinger, those "organic" weapons still look like "guns" grabbed by a creature. And they are still (including the ammunition) largly seperate organisms. A "bee-hive" nesting in another creater would still, well, need to nest their first. It cannot do that if said host-creature is itself not even born yet.

This is why I hate the fact that shooty nids is the only usable build...

LunaHound wrote:As i mentioned, who ever needed those units already built their own.
So the new release basically means " is this new one awe someone enough for me to buy it to replace my old ones"

This was my point. Winged Tyrant? Take your pick. The Tervigon has been such an essential part of any Tyranid build for so long now, you have to already have a few. And, while the model is good, it is nothing better than a Carnifex with lumpy greenstuff and a spare gant. Which, I might add, runs you almost 10 bucks cheaper. I'd give you the bitz sprues, if they weren't half the price of the kit. At no point are 3 Meltaguns worth 20 bucks.

You know what would have been nice? A Harpy. Or a Tyrannofex that wasn't crap. You're telling me this spindly creature, with many tiny unarmored limbs is somehow less vulnerable than the masculine Carnifex? I'm not buying it. Frankly, this Tervigon looks fragile too. A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

DarkHound wrote: A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

This again tells me you can't be a Tyranid player. Something the size of a flying Trygon (which it will be - the same rumour sources giving us the second wave info said it would be between Valkyrie and Razorwing in size, on the large flying base) with T5 and 4 wounds will not see play. I'd be jazzed with a Harpy, but because I want to paint one, not because I want to throw away ~160 points every game.

Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

Tapping my foot and waiting for my tyrannofex. Not so much on the tyrant model.

-Loki- wrote:

DarkHound wrote: A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

This again tells me you can't be a Tyranid player. Something the size of a flying Trygon (which it will be - the same rumour sources giving us the second wave info said it would be between Valkyrie and Razorwing in size, on the large flying base) with T5 and 4 wounds will not see play. I'd be jazzed with a Harpy, but because I want to paint one, not because I want to throw away ~160 points every game.

Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

Not to step in on either side here but I know 3 tyranid players and they all converted at least one tervigon or tyrannofex before this release. Perhaps it's just your area.

VikingScott wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

DarkHound wrote: A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

This again tells me you can't be a Tyranid player. Something the size of a flying Trygon (which it will be - the same rumour sources giving us the second wave info said it would be between Valkyrie and Razorwing in size, on the large flying base) with T5 and 4 wounds will not see play. I'd be jazzed with a Harpy, but because I want to paint one, not because I want to throw away ~160 points every game.

Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

Not to step in on either side here but I know 3 tyranid players and they all converted at least one tervigon or tyrannofex before this release. Perhaps it's just your area.

My area that includes people in the UK, in the US, and in various parts of Australia. That's a big area.

Again, it's all anecdotal. Writing off this wave as unimpressive because 'everyone who plays Tyranids has converted these models' is a flawed argument, because it's not true. I wouldn't even say most people have - but again, anecdotal without numbers, which we won't get. There's plenty who have been happy simply proxying Carnifexes as Tervigons, for example.

I'm not a Tyranid player but I have to agree with Loki here, the release is amazing. The winged hive tyrant looks especially well made too. The ripper swarm is just plain studip though. Why would you want finecast rippers? Or spore mines? That escapes me.

Am I the only tyranid player that is completely pissed off at GW for the hive tyrant model? Yes, it looks pretty, but it still doesn't match the codex, and I mentioned this in another thread and the only response I got was "that's just how GW is."

The wings take up an arm slot which means you can't make a flyrant how you really want it.

I saw ZERO monstrous sized deathspitters or devourers on the sprues.

Why do players tolerate this from GW? If you keep buying kits like the new hive tyrant, they will continue to not give a rats arse about the players.

Concerning the other kits, the Red Terror was a useless release IMO. No updated rules means its just a pretty model. They suggest using it as a tyranid prime? Great. So that confirms no actual model for a tyranid prime. And for those who say just use a warrior, think about this. How many blisters has GW put out for SM captains and the like? They always make HQ blisters for models like this, but not for nids.

The tervigon/tyranofex kit look nice. Problem is, it has been two years since codex release and most people have customized their own or the like. Same thing with the bone swords and lash whips. Two years too late.

But to my original question, am I the only nids player pissed about the hive tyrant kit?

Probably not.

Although the wings is a easy fix, bit of patience and green stuff with minimal skill will solve that issue.

The devourers will be a bigger issue, although I am more likely to run a Tyrant as a solid CC monster when winged anyways, so not so much of an issue.

Of course they might be on there somewhere, or have the sprues all been shown? If not, odd, considering the completeness GW has been giving other models released in plastic, like all sponson options for Leman Russ tanks.

laurish wrote:Am I the only tyranid player that is completely pissed off at GW for the hive tyrant model? Yes, it looks pretty, but it still doesn't match the codex, and I mentioned this in another thread and the only response I got was "that's just how GW is."

The wings take up an arm slot which means you can't make a flyrant how you really want it.

I saw ZERO monstrous sized deathspitters or devourers on the sprues.

Why do players tolerate this from GW? If you keep buying kits like the new hive tyrant, they will continue to not give a rats arse about the players.

Concerning the other kits, the Red Terror was a useless release IMO. No updated rules means its just a pretty model. They suggest using it as a tyranid prime? Great. So that confirms no actual model for a tyranid prime. And for those who say just use a warrior, think about this. How many blisters has GW put out for SM captains and the like? They always make HQ blisters for models like this, but not for nids.

The tervigon/tyranofex kit look nice. Problem is, it has been two years since codex release and most people have customized their own or the like. Same thing with the bone swords and lash whips. Two years too late.

But to my original question, am I the only nids player pissed about the hive tyrant kit?

It is all part of GW's plan to weaken the nids. See the Battle for Maccragge and the fact the nids will kill off the SM, namely smurfs.


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For all those complaining about the wings, simply greenstuff them to the carapace or in between the gap in the weapons.

I noticed that they're releasing the Red Terror (in Finecast) anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that he might be coming back in White Dwarf?

No. They say use him as an alternate/centre piece ravager or a Tyranid Prime.

LOL @ Biovore 1x for $49.50 CAD. Yeah, right.

Ha. One of the benfits of living in the UK is cheaprr GW kits. Biovores are £25 which = $30.6963.

We also only need £10 for free shipping.



Has anyone noticed that OOE has also have a price cut!

The tyranid prime model is made using the warriors box. That's what the over sized sything talons are for.

Last year I made a trevigon conversion, used it, liked rules okay, friend loved it and bought it from me.

I proxied a tyrannofex and had decent luck with it so I am glad for the kit.

I mainly run primes for my HQ and don't want to pay $60 for the tyrrant.

And yes I feel the weakness brought on by our latest dex but I still play with them.

-Loki- wrote:

DarkHound wrote: A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

This again tells me you can't be a Tyranid player. Something the size of a flying Trygon (which it will be - the same rumour sources giving us the second wave info said it would be between Valkyrie and Razorwing in size, on the large flying base) with T5 and 4 wounds will not see play. I'd be jazzed with a Harpy, but because I want to paint one, not because I want to throw away ~160 points every game.

Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

I don't mean to but in, but I am one of those people who hasn't started Tyranids simply for the fact that the Tervigon and Tyrannofex had not been released. Now that all of the models have been released (models I'd use) I'm definitely going to pick up a few of those kits along with the Hive Tyrant.

The only problem I see with the release is the Lash Whips don't really work with the Tyrant Guard since both of their scything talons have to be replaced with one Lash Whip unless I'm misreading the entry.

AzureDeath wrote:The tyranid prime model is made using the warriors box. That's what the over sized sything talons are for.

Those were there before the new dex.

I dunno, but I think those rippers look leagues better than the crappy ones you stick on the base.

I also have not converted any tervigons, so am absolutely thrilled to see this kit. I also love my flyrants, and have not converted any so again, another win in my box. The wings taking an arm slot shouldn't be a shock considering every single winged GW or FW tyranid I can think of did the same thing. If you need the extra slot for a second weapon beyond scytals, use the leg slot. Deathspitters and devourers are easy enough to convert and about any nid player is going to have a ton of extras lying around.

The rippers being done in finecast is just daft really, but whatever. The Red Terror is yawn worthy. Deathleaper and the wallet-eating biovore are okay I guess. i am very glad that they released the boneswords and lash whips, but they really need expand on thier upgrade sprues. Wings, extra normal sized scytals...RENDING CLAWS ffs. I don't want to see it all in one kit as it would end up more expensive than a land raider for three warriors..

LunaHound wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The whole release though? You can't be a Tyranid player.

Or perhaps because he IS a tyranid player that its underwhelmed.

As i mentioned, who ever needed those units already built their own.
So the new release basically means " is this new one awe someone enough for me to buy it to replace my old ones"

Its understandable totally.

Though its sort of large and cool, like someone mentioned, can get it for Alpha Tervigon

Not true, I hadn't converted a Tervigon, or Tyrannofex. I just used my Old Carnifex models as placeholders.

Glad I didn't, because the new Kits are hot.

I did convert a tervigon but as has been said I might pick a new one up as a tervigon "prime". the new tyrant is a must have for me

as for all the but hurt over the lack of devs on the tyrant, any tyranid player worth his dice will have tons of those things kicking around that can either be used as is (the ones from th fex sprue) or converted (tallons with the gaunt ones on the end)

I'm more unhappy about those finecast whips.....I can see me having to fix them a hell of a lot :3

They are not finecast. Are they?

Deadshot wrote:They are not finecast. Are they?

That's actually a good question.

They're not labeled as Finecast, but the item description clearly states that the pieces are "resin" so it might be they swapped to normal resin to do them.

With luck!

Kanluwen wrote:

Deadshot wrote:They are not finecast. Are they?

That's actually a good question.

They're not labeled as Finecast, but the item description clearly states that the pieces are "resin" so it might be they swapped to normal resin to do them.

I recall someone mentioning in the Tyranid rumour thread that they're the resin they make the little barricade terrain bits out of, rather than finecast, but they could be wrong.


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laurish wrote:Am I the only tyranid player that is completely pissed off at GW for the hive tyrant model? Yes, it looks pretty, but it still doesn't match the codex, and I mentioned this in another thread and the only response I got was "that's just how GW is."

The wings take up an arm slot which means you can't make a flyrant how you really want it.

As I already said in your thread, this is due to how GW design Tyranids. They have 6 limbs. No more, no less. It's a universal design theme (along with things like having 5 chitin plates on their heads) that unifies them as a race. It's annoying, but I'd prefer to do some minor conversion on the arms than have an 8 limbed Tyranid.

laurish wrote:I saw ZERO monstrous sized deathspitters or devourers on the sprues.

The metal Tyrant didn't have them either, so we're in no worse situation regarding those weapons.

laurish wrote:Why do players tolerate this from GW? If you keep buying kits like the new hive tyrant, they will continue to not give a rats arse about the players.

You're brining in that argument? Please. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have tooled a plastic mold to give us a plastic Tyrant with Swarmlord and wing options. It would have been a lot cheaper for them to make finecast wings and bone sabres and make them direct only. Stop brining bs arguments into the thread.

laurish wrote:Concerning the other kits, the Red Terror was a useless release IMO. No updated rules means its just a pretty model. They suggest using it as a tyranid prime? Great. So that confirms no actual model for a tyranid prime. And for those who say just use a warrior, think about this. How many blisters has GW put out for SM captains and the like? They always make HQ blisters for models like this, but not for nids.

Agreed. Though there is a model for the Tyranid Prime - a Tyranid Warrior. Comparing the range to Space Marines is stupid because no range gets the support Space Marines get. However, I think the Tyranid Prime is a perfect time to test out plastic single characters for 40k. A single Warrior with scything talons and devourer and a few extra chitin plates in a clam pack wouldn't be too difficult to accomplish.

laurish wrote:The tervigon/tyranofex kit look nice. Problem is, it has been two years since codex release and most people have customized their own or the like. Same thing with the bone swords and lash whips. Two years too late.

Try bringing some numbers here. Stop the anecdotal 'evidence'.

laurish wrote:But to my original question, am I the only nids player pissed about the hive tyrant kit?

Certainly not. I just think your arguments show a lack of knowledge of the Tyranid range.

-Loki- wrote:Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

lol wow.... okee , lets do this from the other way then, from the broad spectrum. So I'll just list the facts.

-There are hobbiest and gamers.
-Gamer that uses Tervigons of Tyrannofex needs to convert or count as models to play them in game.
-Gamer that plays in GW sanctioned areas need to use GW kits
-There is extremely high chance that the Tervigon or Tyranofex are made out of Carnifex
- If they buy the new kits, the Gamers need to either just put the carnifexes back to shelf OR
- Use them as Carnifexes
- We know how gamers feel about latest edition Carnifexes.

You need evidence? I present you logic. feel free to refute them.

Sasori wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The whole release though? You can't be a Tyranid player.

Or perhaps because he IS a tyranid player that its underwhelmed.

As i mentioned, who ever needed those units already built their own.
So the new release basically means " is this new one awe someone enough for me to buy it to replace my old ones"

Its understandable totally.

Though its sort of large and cool, like someone mentioned, can get it for Alpha Tervigon

Not true, I hadn't converted a Tervigon, or Tyrannofex. I just used my Old Carnifex models as placeholders.

Glad I didn't, because the new Kits are hot.

I know :3 i was getting to that.

What happens to your Carnifex now after you finished working on the new Tyranid and integrated them back into your Tyranid list?

GW on the Ripper model linked in the first post wrote:Due to high demand, each Citadel Finecast product is limited to five (5) per customer.

Made me chuckle

Ya gotta say Loki, i have to agree with luna, most players in my area made their own tfexes or tervigons. Carnifexes were a decent proxy or placeholder but typically wasnt enough.

Releasing 6 models is a bit too late especially after 2 years. It doesnt change the fact the codex is still a bit subpar and they could have introduced a new unit especially for the 25th anniversary

I keep saying it. GW just don't like the.nids.

Cryage wrote:Ya gotta say Loki, i have to agree with luna, most players in my area made their own tfexes or tervigons.

Still anecdotal. Lets see some worldwide numbers or stop with the 'no one will buy them because people in my area converted some' arguments. It's a silly argument, that is not proveable either way you go.

-Loki- wrote:

Cryage wrote:Ya gotta say Loki, i have to agree with luna, most players in my area made their own tfexes or tervigons.

Still anecdotal. Lets see some worldwide numbers or stop with the 'no one will buy them because people in my area converted some' arguments. It's a silly argument, that is not proveable either way you go.

You know, that evidence can go both ways.

Thats why I went and have something easier, facts and logic

-There are hobbiest and gamers.
-Gamer that uses Tervigons of Tyrannofex needs to convert or count as models to play them in game.
-Gamer that plays in GW sanctioned areas need to use GW kits
-There is extremely high chance that the Tervigon or Tyranofex are made out of Carnifex
- If they buy the new kits, the Gamers need to either just put the carnifexes back to shelf OR
- Use them as Carnifexes
- We know how gamers feel about latest edition Carnifexes.

You need evidence? I present you logic. feel free to refute them.

No ones claiming "no one will buy them". Infact, people that had keen interest but have been holding out due to lack of actual models representing what they really like, would buy them.
Would that be alot of people? who knows? Not you, nor me.

But what I am sure of is, what I wrote in the above quote.

I know :3 i was getting to that.

What happens to your Carnifex now after you finished working on the new Tyranid and integrated them back into your Tyranid list?

They will go back into their foam section, or on a shelf.


Speaking of which, looks like I'm going to end up having to get another Tray From battlefoam, with the New Tervigon/Tyrannofex models. Whenever they make it.

Sasori wrote:

I know :3 i was getting to that.

What happens to your Carnifex now after you finished working on the new Tyranid and integrated them back into your Tyranid list?

They will go back into their foam section, or on a shelf.


Speaking of which, looks like I'm going to end up having to get another Tray From battlefoam, with the New Tervigon/Tyrannofex models. Whenever they make it.

See :'/ i knew that was going to be your answer, the possible out comes are very limited.

The next scenario would be " the rest of the Nid player not as rich as Sasori, would they have the extra funds to be affording new ones?
could they shelf them back to their trays and play with new ones or keep using what they already invested in "

Ne~ xP

Sasori wrote:Speaking of which, looks like I'm going to end up having to get another Tray From battlefoam, with the New Tervigon/Tyrannofex models. Whenever they make it.

I'm actually glad that the Tervigon and Tyrannofex are as big as they are - I'm picking up one of battlefoams 3 Carnifex, 2 Trygon trays this week. I recently decided to forgo Trygons, because I'm still a massive Carnifex fan, so a few quick alterations to the BF tray to fit the tails and rupture cannon, and the tray will accomodate a Tervigon and Tyrannofex.

Deadshot wrote:I keep saying it. GW just don't like the.nids.

I present you White Dwarf, issue 387, page 2:

"Robin Cruddace is the author of Codex: Tyranids yet it is the howling Griffons Chapter that he collects."


I think that explains a good deal.

Mordiggian wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I keep saying it. GW just don't like the.nids.

I present you White Dwarf, issue 387, page 2:

"Robin Cruddace is the author of Codex: Tyranids yet it is the howling Griffons Chapter that he collects."


I think that explains a good deal.

There's nothing wrong with that. I doubt many studio members collect all of the armies they write books for. What Cruddace lacked for Tyranids is passion for the army. He obviously had it for Guard - look at all the options he packed in, regardless of the terrible internal balance. It almost seems he was lumped with Tyranids, wasn't feeling it, and phoned it in.

It's a bit hard to say GW hates Tyranids, considering the awesome 4th edition book. It was basically just the book being given to someone not interested in doing it for 5th edition.

DarkHound wrote:The Tervigon is a good model, sure, but the Tyrannofex is awful. Technically you'll only use the one that looks good anyway, but that's a point against GW on a couple levels. And adding wings to the Tyrant is not an amazing feat. On one hand, the codex makes Flyrants bad, and on the other, converting a Flyrant is so easy everyone already has one. Plus, the Rippers are an older 3rd edition model. They have more recent Rippers already, but didn't bother to make an actual sprue for them.

Some of us think the Tyrannofex looks fine. It’s good to finally have a model for it.

As for the Tyrant, well it’s not about how ‘simple’ it was to convert one before, or how bad Flyrants are in the game. It really comes down to this:

Plastic > Metal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Failcost.

I have three of the ‘current’ Tyrants in metal, I would never dream of getting one in bubbly miscast Finecost, and now there’s one in plastic. That’s wonderful. And it even comes with wings and parts for the Swarmlord in the kit – even better!

As for the rest of the Tyranid release, the Finecosting of the Death Leaper, Red Terror and Biovore – that’s all pretty pathetic. Biovores are now so expensive as to simply not be worth it, and who’s going to want a model that isn’t even in the Codex. The Finecosting of Old One Eye and the 2nd Ed rippers is twice as silly, the former because the 3rd Ed style Carnifex is a horrid looking thing and the latter because the 2nd Ed rippers are now so overpriced it’s ceased being funny.

-Loki- wrote:

Mordiggian wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I keep saying it. GW just don't like the.nids.

I present you White Dwarf, issue 387, page 2:

"Robin Cruddace is the author of Codex: Tyranids yet it is the howling Griffons Chapter that he collects."


I think that explains a good deal.

There's nothing wrong with that. I doubt many studio members collect all of the armies they write books for. What Cruddace lacked for Tyranids is passion for the army. He obviously had it for Guard - look at all the options he packed in, regardless of the terrible internal balance. It almost seems he was lumped with Tyranids, wasn't feeling it, and phoned it in.

It's a bit hard to say GW hates Tyranids, considering the awesome 4th edition book. It was basically just the book being given to someone not interested in doing it for 5th edition.

It all started with the battle for Maccragge. Tyranids put the hurt on The Ultramarines. Calagar was.nearly killed and the Godly First Company destroyed. Operational strength <50. Who are GW's poster boys?

Then at Ichar 4 the Ultramarines were again badly mauled and this time Kraken gad time to kill Cdaftworld Ilyanden. It was about this time when Ultrasmurf defeats against the nids was stopped being recorded. Ever notice how Hive Fleet Leviathan has not fought the Blue Boys yet? Even though, with this Codex Deviant Tyranid Fighting Company, they would be best after the deathwatch? Convenient that the Arch Arsonist of Charadon attacks now? So the blue bells...er...Blue Boys. Don't have to fight nids anymore.

If they made it easy to kill nids they would lose complete meaning, and tyranids are needed which is why they are not removed altogether. But it were hard the marines would take heavy casulties and possibly be wiped out.


In the battle for maccragge starter, marines could hardly win the campaign. GW decided to try something new and outnumbered and OUTPOINTED the marines. And on top of the 246 nid points they got the respawn points.


Then they make the nids wait 2 years as you say. Most players have converted Tervs yes. These are now too small because of the GW kit and GW tourneys won't be permitted. Therefore if they want tervs in tourneys they'll need to.buy more. This discourages people to buy less nids. Price hikes too. Once a product or army falls below a certain purchase rate GW will say...


"You obviously don't want tyranids so we don't need to.keep or make more"






And there is my conspiracy theory. Obviously it is not perfect but there it is...


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Also. The WD describes a dual between Kraken Swarmlord and Calgar ened in Calgar's victory. Wait what?! Swarmlord is respawned with knowledge of Calgar and yet loses? Not only was that never in the fluff, and written for the biggest nid promotion in years, but completely backward.


Then they assign the codex to someone who has no passion for them

Stop your moaning and be grateful we actually got the 2nd wave at all.

Squigsquasher wrote:Stop your moaning and be grateful we actually got the 2nd wave at all.

That's kind of like being grateful you got run over by an ambulance

I asn't moaning. Its my conspriracy theory.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:Stop your moaning and be grateful we actually got the 2nd wave at all.

That's kind of like being grateful you got run over by an ambulance

In my opinion that's not being grateful for that. At last we finally get the kit everyone has been needing.

Crudface doesn't know how to write for anything other than Imperials. Phil Kelly should of written the nids dex and it would have been epic.

This release is good because it put more nid models into circulation and more nids is better for nids. Despite the GW price hikes I will be buying several of these just on the coolness factor. Of course I will find it for 20% off, and probably trade in some stuff into the bargain bin to get trade credit for it.

UsdiThunder wrote:Crudface doesn't know how to write for anything other than Imperials.

And even then, it's not a sure thing...

The new tyrant kit is pretty good, all things considered, but i'm a little dissapointed in the lack of decent sized boneswords like those in the artwork, and the split tail, for the swarmlord.

The tyrannofex looks stupid. and nothing like the artwork either. not sure what they were thinking there. maybe just saving production costs by making it the same as the tervigon (which looks alot more like the codex art, and is fairly decent)

H.B.M.C. wrote:Some of us think the Tyrannofex looks fine. It’s good to finally have a model for it.

It's like the Chibi-hawk: all the design cues but no practicality. The Tyranofex is one of the most durable models in the game, yet it stands on 4 spindly legs. If even one is knocked out, it will face plant and be unable to move due to its odd center of gravity. Plus, if either arm is disabled then the gun ceases to function. What exactly is that giant hump protecting? All its vulnerable bits are hanging out around it, or directly in front of it.

What really kills me is how functional the picture in the codex is. The legs are thick, plated talons, which are low to the ground. The head recedes into the body, obscuring it. The gun is part of the core of the creature, and is armor plated too. The middle arms seem to be for additional gun stability, so aren't a weakness. The thing looks like a nightmare to take down.

The model works better for the Tervigon though: that giant hump of armor protects the eggs. The tall legs give the gants room to untangle themselves. It still feels vulnerable from the side, but at least it can hold itself up with the forward talons.

I dont run any of these units in my current nids list i dont think they are worth it even the tervigon.

I`ll probably buy one tyrant box and use the swarmlord parts to convert my current 1 into it.

Then buid an actual flyrant but i would build it without the legs so it looked like my parasite conversion.

I like the tervi box but i have yet to be shown that any nid mc except the trygon are worth taking.

I don't know how you can look at the Tervigon in the book and not see the useful applications it can bring to a game. Even if only for throwing FNP on units. Especially since once it gets closer the the enemy lines it's spawning Termagants (really mostly useful in objective games), throwing out S5 large blast shots and throwing FNP on units every turn.

Is it good that nid players get some models/biomorphs finally? Of course. Does that mean we should be happy with how GW has/is treating nids? No bloody way! I am surprised by some of the comments in this thread - some of you guys got shares in GW?

I'm glad nid players that use tervigons finally got a model. I don't use them myself (hate the design philosophy and GWs execution) so I won't get a kit. I also don't care much for the T-fex in the codex and the T-fex model looks to fragile, as someone mentioned above - not they way I'd imagine it would look.

I might get a hive tyrant kit someday for the wings (already got a magnetized swarmlord/tyrant and another unbuilt tyrant) but am not happy that I have to convert a new kit to make normal legal builds (regardless if that build is currently not great). I'm will also be pissed at GW if they do not include a deathspitter and devourer since these are new sprues. To say that it doesn't matter because they weren't in the metal kit is no big deal is wrong. FOr the price that GW charges there is no excuse in not including all the parts.

A pack of warriors costs me about $50 CAD plus tax now and should have included boneswords/lashwhips which I will expect to have to pay about $20 or more plus tax. Yeah that's a good buy.

If the comments about the Red Terror and Old One Eye are true that does seem a waste of effort when we need other models. Not having a tyranid prime (with all his options) is a good example. Yes you can build one from a warrior kit (and still have to buy a sword/lashwhip pack for that build) but that leaves 2 warriors which cannot be used by someone starting nids unless they have lots of warriors (and don't say no-one uses warriors because their crap - not the point).

I'll wait until 6th edition (and hopefully a good nid army errata) to see what is worth buying. Again, I'm glad nid players that use those models have got them finally (and I like the tervigon model), but lets not be apologists for GW just because they gave us something that should have been out a long time ago (not to mention the poorl written dex that they haven't - but could - errata to make lots of at least decent).

Rant over.

-Loki- wrote:I don't know how you can look at the Tervigon in the book and not see the useful applications it can bring to a game. Even if only for throwing FNP on units. Especially since once it gets closer the the enemy lines it's spawning Termagants (really mostly useful in objective games), throwing out S5 large blast shots and throwing FNP on units every turn.

Can't disagree with this point myself.


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Deadshot wrote:


Then they make the nids wait 2 years as you say. Most players have converted Tervs yes. These are now too small because of the GW kit and GW tourneys won't be permitted. Therefore if they want tervs in tourneys they'll need to.buy more. This discourages people to buy less nids. Price hikes too. Once a product or army falls below a certain purchase rate GW will say...

My conversions are 50/50, if they reject them from play I'll tell them to go screw themselves.

Ventus wrote:I'll wait until 6th edition (and hopefully a good nid army errata) to see what is worth buying. Again, I'm glad nid players that use those models have got them finally (and I like the tervigon model), but lets not be apologists for GW just because they gave us something that should have been out a long time ago (not to mention the poorl written dex that they haven't - but could - errata to make lots of at least decent).

Rant over.

So, we got models we've wanted for 2 years. They're fantastic sculpts (well, arguably, some people disagree). Instead of being happy and enthusiastic about the new models, we should continue to be surly and curse GW for not giving us what we want?

I'd rather be happy and discuss the new stuff than continue to act like a git with entitlement issues over the codex.

Anyone have any ideas on how to convert the Tyrannofex kit into something a bit more... substantial? It's a nice kit and all, but.. it seems too.. defenceless. It's not the armoured behemoth the codex fluff and art made it out to be. It's legs are too week to support it, and it doesn't seem as though it'd be capable of lasting in combat, unlike it's codex/fluff counterpart, which is a godlike linebreaker, and easily imagined as being able to tear apart squads of tanks.

-Loki- wrote:So, we got models we've wanted for 2 years. They're fantastic sculpts (well, arguably, some people disagree). Instead of being happy and enthusiastic about the new models, we should continue to be surly and curse GW for not giving us what we want?

I'd rather be happy and discuss the new stuff than continue to act like a git with entitlement issues over the codex.

Thank you for posting this.

AethyrKnight wrote:unlike it's codex/fluff counterpart, which is a godlike linebreaker, and easily imagined as being able to tear apart squads of tanks.

Looking at the codex artwork, it looks fine as a slow moving artillery beast (which is what most people use it as, unfortunately), but a linebreaker that can tear apart tanks and squads? Sorry, I don't see it in the artwork. It looks huge and heavy, and unable to use its front talons as weapons without collapsing. Even with beefier back legs like the artwork has, that creature in the artwork is a slave to its quadrupedal design. It's not going to be 'tearing apart tanks and infantry' any more than the model we got.

Personally, my only problem with the Tyrannofex kit is the fact that the weapon is fused with its arms, rather than its torso, but I can see why people might not like it.

@AethyrKnight: If you have any spare Carnifex front carapace plates left over (or if you haven't equipped theTfex with the Fleshborer Hive) you could bulk out the legs with Green Stuff and model on the plates to act like extra armour or shields. Just a thought.

I noticed this. The new hive tyrant comes with alot. If you make a winged tyrant. all you have to do is seach for body and leg mount and you can make a swarm lord or another tyrant.

hotsauceman1 wrote:I noticed this. The new hive tyrant comes with alot. If you make a winged tyrant. all you have to do is seach for body and leg mount and you can make a swarm lord or another tyrant.

The problem is finding the key components on bits sites. It's not easy finding the key components and not end up spending about as much as a whole new kit.

True. But if you look someplace like ebay you may find it.

-Loki- wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:I noticed this. The new hive tyrant comes with alot. If you make a winged tyrant. all you have to do is seach for body and leg mount and you can make a swarm lord or another tyrant.

The problem is finding the key components on bits sites. It's not easy finding the key components and not end up spending about as much as a whole new kit.

Of course that may be worth it if your don't want a lot of extra bits laying around, (I know I have two carnifexs that way I bought the kit one and bought an extra set of talons legs and body for 40 US dollars, ten less than the kit and have two 'fex's,) or want to run two tyrants with different load outs...
I think it's a personal preference thing in the end.

I don't mind the Tervi, but the Swarmlord is awful. No split tail, the swords don't look like the codex, no mandibles, and what is up with that horn on his head.

knightpredator wrote:I don't mind the Tervi, but the Swarmlord is awful. No split tail, the swords don't look like the codex, no mandibles, and what is up with that horn on his head.

5th bone sword xD

it looks so awful lol..... can you imagine it waving its head around during a battle attempting to hit someone...

LunaHound wrote:

knightpredator wrote:I don't mind the Tervi, but the Swarmlord is awful. No split tail, the swords don't look like the codex, no mandibles, and what is up with that horn on his head.

5th bone sword xD

it looks so awful lol..... can you imagine it waving its head around during a battle attempting to hit someone...

hum....that could be one use I guess.