All I can see in the off topic forum atm is comic books, anime, star trek and other stuff of imagination; whilst these are great in thier own way I crave actual factual information and failing that some kind of practical debate.
She sacrificed British industry to beat the unions(I acknowledge that the unions were too powerful and corrupt at that time); she sold north sea oil off cheap to the Americans in exchange for nuclear weapons; she down graded the navy and armed forces to the point that Argentina invaded the Falklands; and a number of other bad things.
I lived through the massive unemployment she caused and remember it well even though I was only a little kid.
We are living through masive unemployment due to a WORLDWIDE economic down turn. The give away on this one would be the rising unemployment in the US and Europe. Unless you think that Mssrs. Blair and Brown could possible do this then no it was not down to them. The Tories tell you this because they don't want you to realise they have let the banking system that did cause it off lightly.
Sonophos wrote:We are living through masive unemployment due to a WORLDWIDE economic down turn. The give away on this one would be the rising unemployment in the US and Europe. Unless you think that Mssrs. Blair and Brown could possible do this then no it was not down to them. The Tories tell you this because they don't want you to realise they have let the banking system that did cause it off lightly.
1. The Americans bribed us into thier program.
2. That doesn't sound right. Source please?
A british battery may have also been used in sputnik. Possibly we had something up in space before the US.
I'm away from my source on the little boy bomb atm. IIRC its either a modified radar altimeter dervied from american kit or derived from Yagi radar.
As for Labour, they were the ones who rubbed their hands with glee at the thought of taxing bankers bonuses and the investments, regardless of world wide reccesion. The tories are hardly blameless though.
Interesting Fact: Gustave Eiffel, designer of the Eiffel Tower, enjoyed a successful career as an architect despite having dyslexia and a paralyzing fear of heights.
On the politics side of things. The whole banker's bonus thing should never have been allowed to happen to begin with, there is no way there should be a % wage increase difference than there is at present (most wages have risen 1-2% in recent years, way below inflation, while some banking 'fat cats' have seen wage increases of above 50%). We keep shoving all the wealth into fewer places, sooner or later it's all going to come crashing down (as we are starting to see).
On a more interesting (and less politically charged) note, ALL GPS satellite navigation systems that are commericially available have a failsafe that makes them automatically shut down if they go above a certain altitude and/or speed. this is to stop them from being used in an improvised guided missile...
Leigen_Zero wrote:
On a more interesting (and less politically charged) note, ALL GPS satellite navigation systems that are commericially available have a failsafe that makes them automatically shut down if they go above a certain altitude and/or speed. this is to stop them from being used in an improvised guided missile...
I assume you mean handhelds rather than all commercially available GPS systems. Since it would be rather inconvienient if the GPS in a private jet automatically shut down because of an altitude and airspeed limit. A lot of newer airplanes use GPS as thier primary navigation because they are easier that other systems, they also back up altiude and airspeed indicators.
Ruglud wrote:Interesting Fact: Gustave Eiffel, designer of the Eiffel Tower, enjoyed a successful career as an architect despite having dyslexia and a paralyzing fear of heights.
I did not know that. <obtuse>Did he do Blackpool Tower smaller so that he didn't need to go as high or because he got the dimensions wrong?</obtuse>
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Melissia wrote:Here's something controversial: I don't hate Space Marines,
Well, apparently it is, because a bunch of people still think I do and react violently to any suggestion that I don't.
"Some antisemites believe that the Jews already run America. But that's rediculous. If the jews ran America, we wouldn't be 14 trillion dollars in debt. Knuckleheads"
That just came out of nowhere, and I admit to laughing my ass off.
Sonophos wrote:
And now we know that the T stands for troll.
Sometimes, although in this case I'm not deliberately trolling Mel or I might have said something like, "Melissa hates SM because they don't allow females, who are obviously too weak to be that awesome"
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Melissia wrote:"Some antisemites believe that the Jews already run America. But that's rediculous. If the jews ran America, we wouldn't be 14 trillion dollars in debt. Knuckleheads"
That just came out of nowhere, and I admit to laughing my ass off.
Yeah that totally makes the clip, he's pretty single minded though. You can expect the words, "anti-semite" "Jimmy Carter" and "Obama sucks hurr" in all of his videos...but he's still funny.
She sacrificed British industry to beat the unions(I acknowledge that the unions were too powerful and corrupt at that time);
Nationalised industries were impractical, expensive and disruptive. We embarked upon a shift in economic emphasis during the '80s, along with many first-world countries, which led to an almost miraculous economic recovery, and meant that public spending rose in real terms taken over the life of her premiership. Even New Labour acknowledged the health of the economy that they inherited from the Tories.
she sold north sea oil off cheap to the Americans in exchange for nuclear weapons;
That's an oversimplification, plus, at least we have a nuclear deterrent. Perhaps that was a much cheaper option than maintaining our own nuclear weapons development program?
she down graded the navy and armed forces to the point that Argentina invaded the Falklands;
Which were retaken at the cost of a smaller loss of life than the current Afghanistan conflict. Britain still maintains an almost unparalleled ability to defend its home territory, and can still project force anywhere in the world.
I lived through the massive unemployment she caused and remember it well even though I was only a little kid.
Yeah, me too. I was also old enough to experience my hometown being turned into a welfare wasteland by new labour.
Melissia wrote:Here's something controversial: I don't hate Space Marines,
Well, apparently it is, because a bunch of people still think I do and react violently to any suggestion that I don't.
No one hates space marines there's just a plethora of threads talking about how everyone else hates space marines but the OP never does.
On topic, since the 70s wages have remained the same while unemployment has risen. The only people privatisation helped were the rich.
The stagnation in real wages was offset by huge advances in developing economies, letting us have cheap DVD players and cheap(ish) food.
AustonT wrote:Yeah that totally makes the clip, he's pretty single minded though. You can expect the words, "anti-semite" "Jimmy Carter" and "Obama sucks hurr" in all of his videos...but he's still funny.
Frankly, I'm suspicious of any one who mentions "Jimmy Carter" without using the words "anti-semite" (assuming, of course, that anti-semite is two words).
For example, Jimmy Carter, noted anti-semite, supports Habitat for Humanity.
biccat wrote:
Frankly, I'm suspicious of any one who mentions "Jimmy Carter" without using the words "anti-semite" (assuming, of course, that anti-semite is two words).
For example, Jimmy Carter, noted anti-semite, supports Habitat for Humanity.
Because, as we all know, the only reason someone could ever blame Israel for anything is antisemitism.
Its sort of like how anyone who doesn't support Obama is a horrible, horrible racist.
Either way, I'll be sure to forward a copy of the memo to the Haredi.
Melissia wrote:"Some antisemites believe that the Jews already run America. But that's rediculous. If the jews ran America, we wouldn't be 14 trillion dollars in debt. Knuckleheads"
That just came out of nowhere, and I admit to laughing my ass off.
Of course they don't run America, that's small change. The Illuminati is where its at.
dogma wrote:Because, as we all know, the only reason someone could ever blame Israel for anything is antisemitism.
Its sort of like how anyone who doesn't support Obama is a horrible, horrible racist.
Either way, I'll be sure to forward a copy of the memo to the Haredi.
No, Jimmy Carter is not an antisemite because of his position on Israel, just like David Duke is not a racist because of his position on affirmative action.
master of ordinance wrote:Shoot The Bankers. And Parliment. Let The Royals Rule Again.
Nope. Never.
I'd rather have an incompetent parliament than a series of questionably bred individuals wielding absolute power simply by virtue of being born into the right family.
It worked as a system in the middle ages, when the common man wasn't educated in the slightest. Nowadays, it wouldn't.
biccat wrote:
No, Jimmy Carter is not an antisemite because of his position on Israel, just like David Duke is not a racist because of his position on affirmative action.
So you have clear evidence that Jimmy Carter is an antisemite that doesn't turn on his position with respect to Israel? Or is this part of the "too many Jews" noise?
I mean, sure, David Duke is a racist, and that causes him to take a particular position on affirmative action, among other things. But we only know David Duke is a racist because of those positions, we don't really know what caused him to be a racist.
dogma wrote:So you have clear evidence that Jimmy Carter is an antisemite that doesn't turn on his position with respect to Israel? Or is this part of the "too many Jews" noise?
Did you read the sub-headline on that link?
"Former president also rejected Christian historian because name sounded 'too Jewish'"
That doesn't sound anti-semetic to you?
You have the right to your own opinion, not your own facts.
biccat wrote:
Did you read the sub-headline on that link?
"Former president also rejected Christian historian because name sounded 'too Jewish'"
That doesn't sound anti-semetic to you?
You have the right to your own opinion, not your own facts.
I reject it because I haven't seen the document, or any corroborating sources. Its very easy to fabricate, or misrepresent information. Here, I'll do it now:
President Bush called me on my cell phone, and said that cocaine is best enjoyed on the buttocks of a hooker.
Then, of course, we get into the whole question of politics. Is Carter antisemitic because the name sounds too Jewish, or is it a reflection of the electorate?
Then there's this part, which introduces further ambiguity:
“I got a phone call from our liaison at the White House saying this particular historian whose name sounded Jewish would not do. The liaison said he would not even take the time to present Carter with the possibility of including the historian on the board because he knew Carter would think the name sounded too Jewish. I explained the historian is Presbyterian, but the liaison said it wouldn’t matter to Carter.”
It might also be his push to get Hamas legitimized and off the terrorist watch list, and his less than subtle insinuations that the Jews control the media.
He's generally got good intentions...he may still be anti Semitic.
KingCracker wrote:Id just like to say, weather Jimi Carter is antisemitic or not, I dont know. But I can say, he was a terrible president
Eh, he was middle of the road, sort of like Bush 1. Very good with policy, but bad with the political aspect of the office.
I'm not a fan of Presidential quality ratings but, broadly, there are a couple really bad Presidents (Garfield, Harrison, Pierce), and a couple really good Presidents (FDR, Reagan, Lincoln), but for the most part its all just average.
It might also be his push to get Hamas legitimized and off the terrorist watch list, and his less than subtle insinuations that the Jews control the media.
He's generally got good intentions...he may still be anti Semitic.
I'm not necessarily denying the idea that Carter might be an antisemite, I just don't see enough evidence to convict him in that respect.
I'll also say that the article you linked falls into many of the convention "Israel isn't awesome = antisemite" traps.
Jackson. Jackson was a fantastic President. Really, the only thing he had against him IMO was he was for slavery. Chalk it up as a "It was how things were done back then" I dont care. But other then that, he is one of Americas greatest heroes
KingCracker wrote:Jackson. Jackson was a fantastic President. Really, the only thing he had against him IMO was he was for slavery. Chalk it up as a "It was how things were done back then" I dont care. But other then that, he is one of Americas greatest heroes
Indian removal wasn't exactly a shining mark on his roster either.
I don't hate all Space Marines, just Grey Knights. And anybody who plays them. Especially if they enter doubles games alongside leafblower Guard, because that's the doucheyist combo in 40K.
Sonophos wrote:All I can see in the off topic forum atm is comic books, anime, star trek and other stuff of imagination; whilst these are great in thier own way I crave actual factual information and failing that some kind of practical debate.
Your mother was a hampster, and your father smelt of elderberries!
KingCracker wrote:Jackson. Jackson was a fantastic President. Really, the only thing he had against him IMO was he was for slavery. Chalk it up as a "It was how things were done back then" I dont care. But other then that, he is one of Americas greatest heroes
Indian removal wasn't exactly a shining mark on his roster either.
I'll give you something interesting and controversial: feth Davy Jones, Lynn Compton died this week and you'd have to dig to find it, some loser from a band no one has given a gak about for 30+ years croaks and it's on the headline of every media agency. Liberal media hates conservative judges (and WWII heroes). Also in the news the state of Wyoming votes down a bill to build an aircraft carrier.
I all fairness tho' I had to Google to find out who Lyn Compton is, recognised him when I did tho', but I knew Davy Jones right off the bat. Relative levels of fame I suppose.
Sad to hear of Wyoming's loss however I'd think there are certain unassailable logistical difficulties with building a large ship in Wyoming.
Hey, everybody. Here's some fun facts. The population of Thailand is sixty three million people. It is twice the size of Wyoming. It's chief exports are textiles, footwear and rice. Each year, approximately thirteen thousand people are killed in car accidents in Thailand.
Kangaroo is, in my opinion, more delicious than beef.
However, there are no wild kangaroos in England, and thus no viable population to harvest their meat from.
1: The name "Teddy Bear" comes from former United States President Theodore Roosevelt, whose nickname was "Teddy".
2: The only nominally circular state boundary in the United States is the "Twelve Mile Circle" between Delaware and Pennsylvania.
3: Benvolio, whilst disappearing from the later stages of Romeo and Juliet is the only member of the younger generation of Montagues to survive the events depicted in the play. (I'm reading Romeo and Juliet currently)
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Here's an intresting fact: During operation Market Garden in the battle at Ostterbake, a German Officer of the 17th SS Infantriedivison was shot 16 times in the leg by a machine gun and still commanded his platoon for another hour before passing out due to blood loss.
KingCracker wrote:Jackson. Jackson was a fantastic President. Really, the only thing he had against him IMO was he was for slavery. Chalk it up as a "It was how things were done back then" I dont care. But other then that, he is one of Americas greatest heroes
Indian removal wasn't exactly a shining mark on his roster either.
A group of geese on the ground is a gaggle, a group of geese in the air is a skein!
A hippo can open its mouth wide enough to fit a 4 foot tall child inside!
A Koala Bear sleeps 22 hours of every day.
A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose. Sex is a natural antihistamine. It can help combat asthma and hay fever.
A male baboon can kill a leopard.
A mole can dig a tunnel 300 feet long in just one night!
A peanut is not a nut. It is a legume.
A person will burn 7 percent more calories if they walk on hard dirt compared to pavement.
A polar bear's skin is black. Its fur is not white, but actually clear.
A recent study at Harvard has shown that eating chocolate can actually help you live longer!
A roach can live up to nine days without its head.
A shrimp's heart is in its head.
A single cup of gasoline, when ignited, has the same explosive power as five sticks of dynamite.
A species of earthworm in Australia grows up to 10 feet in length.
A spider's silk is stronger than steel.
A survey reported that 12% of Americans think that Joan of Arc was Noah's wife.
A toothpick is the object most often choked on by Americans!
A violin contains about 70 separate pieces of wood!
A woman's sense of smell is most sensitive during ovulation.
A woodpecker can peck twenty times a second.
About 3000 years ago, most Egyptians died by the time they were 30.
About half of all Americans are on a diet on any given day.
According to legend, there is a Superman in every episode of Seinfeld.
According to scientific studies, a rat's performance in a maze can be improved by playing music written by Mozart.
According to studies, men change their minds two to three times more often than women.
According to U.S. FDA standards, 1 cup of orange juice is allowed to contain 10 fruit fly eggs, but only 2 maggots.
According to U.S. laws, a beer commercial can never show a person actually drinking beer.
Actor Mark Wahlberg has a third nipple!
Actor Val Kilmer grew up on Roy Rogers' ranch.
Al Capone's business card said he was a used furniture dealer.
Hope you enjoyed.
The ideal air:fuel ratio for most 4-stroke gasoline engines is 14.7:1 (measured in pounds)
Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.
The radiator cap is rated in psi. Without a pressurized cooling system, the anitfreeze/water mixture in your engine would evaporate and boil out of the engine upon shutting the engine off. Every pound of pressure applied raises the boiling point by 7 degrees Fahrenheit.
Most engine ideal operating temperatures are around 190 degrees Fahrenheit. A "COLD ENGINE" is anything below this ideal temperature.
Cold engines can cause poor emissions and poor fuel economy. The reason for this is that the vehicle wants to warm up to ideal temp as soon as possible. To do this it adds more fuel than air to the mixture. This is referred to as running "rich".
When an engine is cold the oil is not properly warmed up and not at the correct pressure. The crankshaft spins on a pressurized film of oil to prevent wearing of the main rod and journal bearings. Also, combustion gases sometimes get past the piston rings and build up condensation in the oil pan. Because the oil is being thrown around constantly it temporarily mixes with the water in the oil pan. This is known as EMULSION. This sludge build up is catastrophic to the engine and is identified by a "chocolate milk-like" oil.
There's a Nazi running for office in Illinois. Seriously, an actual bonafide Illinois Nazi.
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Kangaroo is, in my opinion, more delicious than beef.
However, there are no wild kangaroos in England, and thus no viable population to harvest their meat from.
Like rabbit, it's a meat that need to be cooked well, or else it becomes too tough.
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Kangaroo is, in my opinion, more delicious than beef.
However, there are no wild kangaroos in England, and thus no viable population to harvest their meat from.
Like rabbit, it's a meat that need to be cooked well, or else it becomes too tough.
An in-shape human is a better adapted long-distance runner than a horse.
It's to do with the structure of our legs, pelvis, and ability to sweat, apparently.
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:An in-shape human is a better adapted long-distance runner than a horse.
It's to do with the structure of our legs, pelvis, and ability to sweat, apparently.
Aren't humsn like in the top3 or something in ability to do long distance running? HAH! Take that Molemen!
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:An in-shape human is a better adapted long-distance runner than a horse.
It's to do with the structure of our legs, pelvis, and ability to sweat, apparently.
Aren't humsn like in the top3 or something in ability to do long distance running? HAH! Take that Molemen!
Indeed.
And they say we're puny as a species. Pah.
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:An in-shape human is a better adapted long-distance runner than a horse.
It's to do with the structure of our legs, pelvis, and ability to sweat, apparently.
Aren't humsn like in the top3 or something in ability to do long distance running? HAH! Take that Molemen!
Indeed.
And they say we're puny as a species. Pah.
#1 I think. That was the whole point in becoming bipedal.
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:An in-shape human is a better adapted long-distance runner than a horse.
It's to do with the structure of our legs, pelvis, and ability to sweat, apparently.
Aren't humsn like in the top3 or something in ability to do long distance running? HAH! Take that Molemen!
Indeed.
And they say we're puny as a species. Pah.
#1 I think. That was the whole point in becoming bipedal.
Well, that and the massive advantages we gain by evolving upper limbs purely for manipulation and tool-making.
Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
I can verify this, Martin Luther King is famous throughout Europe, Malcolm X much less so, outside of black communities. The only reason I know who he is was because of a friend at school.
Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
The man is an amazing example of the evolution of a human being who had to go through so much in his life.
Your second statement is correct, and it saddens me. People think of Malcolm X almost as a terrorist...its unfathomable.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
He still would never give up the idea that Blacks and Whites could not coexist as just human beings, instead of being identified by their color in his lifetime. He was right, clearly.
If anyone really cares about him, they should read his most famous speech. It outlines his feelings right before his pilgrimage to Mecca. He had been rid of the Nation of Islam at this point, and was thinking for himself.
After leaving the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X announced his willingness to work with leaders of the civil rights movement,[112] though he felt that it should change its focus to human rights. So long as the movement remained a fight for civil rights, its struggle would remain a domestic issue, but by framing the struggle as a fight for human rights, it would become an international issue, and the movement could bring its complaint before the United Nations. Malcolm X said the emerging nations of the world would add their support to the cause of African Americans.[223]
Malcolm never had a chance to become known wordwide and bring it to the United Nations. He was murded before the world could realize his true brilliance.
Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
The man is an amazing example of the evolution of a human being who had to go through so much in his life.
Your second statement is correct, and it saddens me. People think of Malcolm X almost as a terrorist...its unfathomable.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
He still would never give up the idea that Blacks and Whites could not coexist as just human beings, instead of being identified by their color in his lifetime. He was right, clearly.
Well then that is why he is not as appreciated by history.
After leaving the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X announced his willingness to work with leaders of the civil rights movement,[112] though he felt that it should change its focus to human rights. So long as the movement remained a fight for civil rights, its struggle would remain a domestic issue, but by framing the struggle as a fight for human rights, it would become an international issue, and the movement could bring its complaint before the United Nations. Malcolm X said the emerging nations of the world would add their support to the cause of African Americans.[223]
Malcolm X declared that he and the other members of the Organization of Afro-American Unity were determined to defend themselves from aggressors, and to secure freedom, justice and equality "by whatever means necessary", arguing that if the government was unwilling or unable to protect black people, they should protect themselves.[224]
Malcolm X stressed the global perspective he gained from his international travels. He emphasized the "direct connection" between the domestic struggle of African Americans for equal rights with the liberation struggles of Third World nations.[225] He said that African Americans were wrong when they thought of themselves as a minority; in a global context, black people were a majority, not a minority.[226]
In his speeches at the Militant Labor Forum, which was sponsored by the Socialist Workers Party, Malcolm X criticized capitalism.[147] After one such speech, when he was asked what political and economic system he wanted, he said he didn't know, but that it was no coincidence the newly liberated countries in the Third World were turning toward socialism.[227] Malcolm X still was concerned primarily with the freedom struggle of African Americans. When a reporter asked him what he thought about socialism, Malcolm X asked whether it was good for black people. When the reporter told him it seemed to be, Malcolm X told him, "Then I'm for it."[227][228]
Although he no longer called for the separation of black people from white people, Malcolm X continued to advocate black nationalism, which he defined as self-determination for the African-American community.[229] In the last months of his life, however, Malcolm X began to reconsider his support of black nationalism after meeting northern African revolutionaries who, to all appearances, were white.[230]
After his Hajj, Malcolm X articulated a view of white people and racism that represented a deep change from the philosophy he had supported as a minister of the Nation of Islam. In a famous letter from Mecca, he wrote that his experiences with white people during his pilgrimage convinced him to "rearrange" his thinking about race and "toss aside some of [his] previous conclusions".[231] In a 1965 conversation with Gordon Parks, two days before his assassination, Malcolm said:
[L]istening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.
Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I'm glad to be free of them
Yeah, he's not appreciated because he didn't go along with everything the Whites said like MLK did. Don't give me that bs.
Like other non-Americans (and I guess Americans) have said it's known MLK is revered but not much is really taught about Malcom X. So honest question: Did he believe in segregation?
After leaving the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X announced his willingness to work with leaders of the civil rights movement,[112] though he felt that it should change its focus to human rights. So long as the movement remained a fight for civil rights, its struggle would remain a domestic issue, but by framing the struggle as a fight for human rights, it would become an international issue, and the movement could bring its complaint before the United Nations. Malcolm X said the emerging nations of the world would add their support to the cause of African Americans.[223]
Malcolm X declared that he and the other members of the Organization of Afro-American Unity were determined to defend themselves from aggressors, and to secure freedom, justice and equality "by whatever means necessary", arguing that if the government was unwilling or unable to protect black people, they should protect themselves.[224]
Malcolm X stressed the global perspective he gained from his international travels. He emphasized the "direct connection" between the domestic struggle of African Americans for equal rights with the liberation struggles of Third World nations.[225] He said that African Americans were wrong when they thought of themselves as a minority; in a global context, black people were a majority, not a minority.[226]
In his speeches at the Militant Labor Forum, which was sponsored by the Socialist Workers Party, Malcolm X criticized capitalism.[147] After one such speech, when he was asked what political and economic system he wanted, he said he didn't know, but that it was no coincidence the newly liberated countries in the Third World were turning toward socialism.[227] Malcolm X still was concerned primarily with the freedom struggle of African Americans. When a reporter asked him what he thought about socialism, Malcolm X asked whether it was good for black people. When the reporter told him it seemed to be, Malcolm X told him, "Then I'm for it."[227][228]
Although he no longer called for the separation of black people from white people, Malcolm X continued to advocate black nationalism, which he defined as self-determination for the African-American community.[229] In the last months of his life, however, Malcolm X began to reconsider his support of black nationalism after meeting northern African revolutionaries who, to all appearances, were white.[230]
After his Hajj, Malcolm X articulated a view of white people and racism that represented a deep change from the philosophy he had supported as a minister of the Nation of Islam. In a famous letter from Mecca, he wrote that his experiences with white people during his pilgrimage convinced him to "rearrange" his thinking about race and "toss aside some of [his] previous conclusions".[231] In a 1965 conversation with Gordon Parks, two days before his assassination, Malcolm said:
[L]istening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.
Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I'm glad to be free of them
Yeah, he's not appreciated because he didn't go along with everything the Whites said like MLK did. Don't give me that bs.
The logical conclusion of which is that the USA ceases to exist. And you wonder why the government don't like him?
Malcolm X begun to rethink his thoughts on the segregation of Whites and Blacks after his pilgrimage to Mecca. Most of the Muslim Leaders he had met in Africa were in fact White.
Read what I posted - it doesn't look like you have.
Joey, please direct your comment at something that makes sense. You quoted an entire section - I don't know what you are talking about.
I'm well aware the color of my skin is White. That is irrelevant, Corpses.
Things in the United States were a LOT different from 1940-1965.
People are generally remembered for the bad over the good. From what I saw it seemed like he was a passionate, brilliant, but misguided man for most of his activist life, and only at the end did he realise where he was wrong and accept this, which is a pretty big thing to do in my eyes.
MrDwhitey wrote:People are generally remembered for the bad over the good. From what I saw it seemed like he was a passionate, brilliant, but misguided man for most of his activist life, and only at the end did he realise where he was wrong and accept this, which is a pretty big thing to do in my eyes.
I'm glad someone actually knows how to read. If you read his Wikipedia page, they say this exact same thing.
It just seems weird to say "the Whites" in that context, especially when you're white yourself. It would be like an FBI agent complaining about "the man".
corpsesarefun wrote:It just seems weird to say "the Whites" in that context, especially when you're white yourself. It would be like an FBI agent complaining about "the man".
Karon wrote:Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
I think that's a little unfair to MLK. The reason Malcolm wasn't as popular was because he was so hostile and aggressive with his beliefs early in his career. No body responds well to that behavior, anywhere. MLK embraced the same style of activism that made Ghandi a world wide legend, and I'd argue resparked world interest in Ghandi's non-violent form of protest and activism.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical but numerous example of the 20th century showed MLK's method to be very effective in achieving lasting change. When you approach the other side civilly and patiently, its much easier to win them over. Malcom's rhetoric alienated rather than endeared him to others and I'd argue in the political environment he was active in, his methods were never going work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
This I whole heartedly agree with. Malcom X's life is a lesson in human evolution, and a man who ultimately abandoned many of the things he believed in to achieve a higher goal. The reformed Malcom X, had he lived, may have become more well known than MLK. He didn't just want civil rights for African Americans, he wanted civil rights for everyone. Was he perfect at that point in his life? No. But he could have achieved a lot of good and maybe even continued his spiritual evolution. Like MLK he was cut short. Unfortunately, most people when thinking of Malcom X and only aware of his original ideology, and do not know he reformed himself later in life.
Karon wrote:
Joey, please direct your comment at something that makes sense. You quoted an entire section - I don't know what you are talking about.
The logical conclusion of blacks refusing to "negotiate with the whites" is a sovereign state for African-Americans, which would have to be within US territory, therefore the destruction of the United States.
Karon wrote:Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
I think that's a little unfair to MLK. The reason Malcolm wasn't as popular was because he was so hostile and aggressive with his beliefs early in his career. No body responds well to that behavior, anywhere. MLK embraced the same style of activism that made Ghandi a world wide legend, and I'd argue resparked world interest in Ghandi's non-violent form of protest and activism.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical but numerous example of the 20th century showed MLK's method to be very effective in achieving lasting change. When you approach the other side civilly and patiently, its much easier to win them over. Malcom's rhetoric alienated rather than endeared him to others and I'd argue in the political environment he was active in, his methods were never going work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
This I whole heartedly agree with. Malcom X's life is a lesson in human evolution, and a man who ultimately abandoned many of the things he believed in to achieve a higher goal. The reformed Malcom X, had he lived, may have become more well known than MLK. He didn't just want civil rights for African Americans, he wanted civil rights for everyone. Was he perfect at that point in his life? No. But he could have achieved a lot of good and maybe even continued his spiritual evolution. Like MLK he was cut short. Unfortunately, most people when thinking of Malcom X and only aware of his original ideology, and do not know he reformed himself later in life.
I would agree with all that you said, LOH.
I do not live under the illusion that Malcolm X was perfect throughout his life, but I still see his misguided years under the Nation of Islam as nothing short of inspirational. He was led astray by the NOI, and that's where I see a lot of the misconception.
You are exactly right in your last paragraph, and it pains me greatly to think of it.
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Joey wrote:
Karon wrote:
Joey, please direct your comment at something that makes sense. You quoted an entire section - I don't know what you are talking about.
The logical conclusion of blacks refusing to "negotiate with the whites" is a sovereign state for African-Americans, which would have to be within US territory, therefore the destruction of the United States.
Again, point out where in that quote you are talking about. Malcolm X never refused to negotiate with whites - he was rightfully skeptical that they would do anything to help them and had suggested several alternatives.
He had thought, in his early life, that a separate state would have been preferable, but that was when he was under the guidance of the NOI.
A lot of great men end up dying before their time. One of my favorites is Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. After World War II he could have done a lot of help his country. He was rash, arrogant, and maybe a little crazy, but Rommel had an integrity that is rare in human beings, and as a respected officer from the other side, could have been invaluable politically for post-War Germany.
Malcolm has been and is viewed as everything from an evil racist hate-monger to the champion of modern day militant pro-Black radicals. What he was, in reality, was a remarkably intelligent and charismatic leader who reflected the ills of the society around him, changed throughout his life, and gradually evolved from ignorance to anger to enlightenment.
The great tragedy is that Malcolm's rift with the Nation of Islam brought resulted in his early death, just at the time that he was realizing his true purpose. Commenting on his experience in Mecca, shortly before his assassination, Malcolm comments "I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color." In this statement, and others, he acknowledges that his former view on race was merely a reflection of the American racism which surrounded him, and these are the views that he had internalized.
Martin Luther King is justly celebrated; he is an easy hero for white America to embrace. Malcolm X is more problematic, he has sharper edges, but is no less deserving of admiration and honor.
LordofHats wrote:A lot of great men end up dying before their time. One of my favorites is Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. After World War II he could have done a lot of help his country. He was rash, arrogant, and maybe a little crazy, but Rommel had an integrity that is rare in human beings, and as a respected officer from the other side, could have been invaluable politically for post-War Germany.
I read his book. Fantastic read. I highly recommend it. A remarkable man.
Malcom X was a black supremiscist(sp?), and IIRC was on drugs and killed his wife or something.
LordofHats wrote:A lot of great men end up dying before their time. One of my favorites is Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. After World War II he could have done a lot of help his country. He was rash, arrogant, and maybe a little crazy, but Rommel had an integrity that is rare in human beings, and as a respected officer from the other side, could have been invaluable politically for post-War Germany.
I read his book. Fantastic read. I highly recommend it. A remarkable man.
Malcom X was a black supremiscist(sp?), and IIRC was on drugs and killed his wife or something.
LordofHats wrote:A lot of great men end up dying before their time. One of my favorites is Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. After World War II he could have done a lot of help his country. He was rash, arrogant, and maybe a little crazy, but Rommel had an integrity that is rare in human beings, and as a respected officer from the other side, could have been invaluable politically for post-War Germany.
I read his book. Fantastic read. I highly recommend it. A remarkable man.
Malcom X was a black supremiscist(sp?), and IIRC was on drugs and killed his wife or something.
Are you trolling? I can never tell with you.
I watched some film ages ago, and it had a scene where he snorted a line of coke then shot some woman in Africa. Apparently it was based on real events.
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LordofHats wrote:He's a deadlysquirell. Stealth and mystery are his greatest weapons
Karon wrote:Malcolm has been and is viewed as everything from an evil racist hate-monger to the champion of modern day militant pro-Black radicals. What he was, in reality, was a remarkably intelligent and charismatic leader who reflected the ills of the society around him, changed throughout his life, and gradually evolved from ignorance to anger to enlightenment.
The great tragedy is that Malcolm's rift with the Nation of Islam brought resulted in his early death, just at the time that he was realizing his true purpose. Commenting on his experience in Mecca, shortly before his assassination, Malcolm comments "I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color." In this statement, and others, he acknowledges that his former view on race was merely a reflection of the American racism which surrounded him, and these are the views that he had internalized.
Martin Luther King is justly celebrated; he is an easy hero for white America to embrace. Malcolm X is more problematic, he has sharper edges, but is no less deserving of admiration and honor.
I think a lot of it stems from MLK advocating non-violence, normally the activist who favours non-violence is more popular with folk afterwards.
Anyways. I think what happened to Malcom X is that he's only ever brought up as a counter-point to MLKs beliefs. MLK was this great uniter while X believed in segregation. Then nothing of his later life is mentioned. So you get this impression he's the anti-MLK. If MLK= good then X must = bad right?
Even Magneto is claimed to be inspired from him. That didn't help his image either...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Anyways. I think what happened to Malcom X is that he's only ever brought up as a counter-point to MLKs beliefs. MLK was this great uniter while X believed in segregation. Then nothing of his later life is mentioned. So you get this impression he's the anti-MLK. If MLK= good then X must = bad right?
Even Magneto is claimed to be inspired from him. That didn't help his image either...
Like I said, X was a black supramascist. MLK just wanted equal rights, X wanted the blacks and whites to swap positions.
Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
The man is an amazing example of the evolution of a human being who had to go through so much in his life.
Your second statement is correct, and it saddens me. People think of Malcolm X almost as a terrorist...its unfathomable.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
He still would never give up the idea that Blacks and Whites could not coexist as just human beings, instead of being identified by their color in his lifetime. He was right, clearly.
Well then that is why he is not as appreciated by history.
Others view him as a terrorist. Captain crazy Farrakhan taking over didn't help. His latest rant about McDonalds is quite entertaining.,
Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
The man is an amazing example of the evolution of a human being who had to go through so much in his life.
Your second statement is correct, and it saddens me. People think of Malcolm X almost as a terrorist...its unfathomable.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
He still would never give up the idea that Blacks and Whites could not coexist as just human beings, instead of being identified by their color in his lifetime. He was right, clearly.
Well then that is why he is not as appreciated by history.
Morons view him as a terrorist. Captain crazy Farrakhan taking over didn't help. His latest rant about McDonalds is quite entertaining.,
Fixed that for you.
For the last 2 years of his life, Malcolm X was separate from the Nation of Islam.
Karon wrote:Malcolm X begun to rethink his thoughts on the segregation of Whites and Blacks after his pilgrimage to Mecca. Most of the Muslim Leaders he had met in Africa were in fact White.
Indeed his redemption is unfortunately forgotten by people who had already hardened to him.
Karon wrote:For the last 2 years of his life, Malcolm X was separate from the Nation of Islam.
Because he thought the Nation of Islam was an obstacle to his goals. Not because he thought they were too radical, but because they weren't radical enough.
I don’t go for anything that’s non-violent and turn-the-other-cheekish. I don’t see how any revolution—I’ve never heard of a non-violent revolution or a revolution that was brought about by turning the other cheek, and so I believe that it is a crime for anyone to teach a person who is being brutalized to continue to accept that brutality without doing something to defend himself. If this is what the Christian-Gandhian philosophy teaches then it is criminal—a criminal philosophy.
It's like a mass conspiracy to defame the poor, misunderstood hero of uh...violent black separatism.
Melissia wrote:Science has created male egg cells and female sperm cells out of stem cells.
Yay for scientists with too much time on thier hands!
Yeah, damn those scientists for wasting their time on stupid stuff like curing infertility.
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Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X.
I asked my cousin, who had graduated high-school last year, if they ever even mentioned Malcolm X in his United-States History class.
He told me they said he was a radical Islamist that only inflamed the situation for the civil rights movement.
I think it's at least as much of a shame that people are told just the disney version of MLK, and told nothing on his more contraversial views on class and economics.
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Karon wrote:Yeah, he's not appreciated because he didn't go along with everything the Whites said like MLK did. Don't give me that bs.
That's an imaginative interpretation of MLK.
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Frazzled wrote:Others view him as a terrorist. Captain crazy Farrakhan taking over didn't help. His latest rant about McDonalds is quite entertaining.,
And there's plenty of reason to view Mandela as a terrorist, as well.
Which is why we need to recognise the complexity of the situation and the people within it, and not think assigning labels of 'terrorist' and 'not a terrorist' are at all useful.
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Does your car have remote keyless entry? This may come in handy someday . Good reason to own a cell phone: If you lock your keys In the car and the spare keys are at home, call someone at home on their cell phone from your cell phone . Hold your cell phone about a foot from your car door and have the person at your home press the unlock button, holding it near the mobile phone on their end . Your car will unlock . Saves someone from having to drive your keys to you . Distance is no object . You could be hundreds of miles away, and if you can reach someone who has the other ‘remote’ for your car, you can unlock the doors (or the trunk).
This actually does not work. Most car remotes work on infrared, not sound. Newer ones do use sound, but not on a frequency that a cell phone can reproduce.
As far as Malcom X goes, the man was wrong and misguided most of his life, and in fact went from bad ideology to bad ideology many times. In the end he finally got it right, but then his old associates killed him. Not really a figure to be looked up to if you ask me. Then again I don't look up to many people. His life could be taught as a moral redemption story. The problem with teaching Malcom X is that most of his life is not something you would want children to look up to.
To be honest with you I think Chuck D is a much better role model than Malcom X. Unfortunately for Chuck D the only way to get people to pay attention was to surround himself with a idiot like Flava Flav who is really the epitome of everything that Chuck D stood against, but will be forever linked with him.
Does your car have remote keyless entry? This may come in handy someday . Good reason to own a cell phone: If you lock your keys In the car and the spare keys are at home, call someone at home on their cell phone from your cell phone . Hold your cell phone about a foot from your car door and have the person at your home press the unlock button, holding it near the mobile phone on their end . Your car will unlock . Saves someone from having to drive your keys to you . Distance is no object . You could be hundreds of miles away, and if you can reach someone who has the other ‘remote’ for your car, you can unlock the doors (or the trunk).
This actually does not work. Most car remotes work on infrared, not sound. Newer ones do use sound, but not on a frequency that a cell phone can reproduce.
As far as Malcom X goes, the man was wrong and misguided most of his life, and in fact went from bad ideology to bad ideology many times. In the end he finally got it right, but then his old associates killed him. Not really a figure to be looked up to if you ask me. Then again I don't look up to many people. His life could be taught as a moral redemption story. The problem with teaching Malcom X is that most of his life is not something you would want children to look up to.
To be honest with you I think Chuck D is a much better role model than Malcom X. Unfortunately for Chuck D the only way to get people to pay attention was to surround himself with a idiot like Flava Flav who is really the epitome of everything that Chuck D stood against, but will be forever linked with him.
I don't like generalizations. If you know about Malcolm X, you would know he is something worth teaching just as much as MLK is.
Philip K. Dick the author and Xzibit from Pimp My Ride are the same person.
Observe:
They put things that people like in bigger versions of things that people like (or dislike in Phil's position) such as a story in a story like in Man in the High Castle, or in that dolphin car that had dolphin stuff in it.
I don't like generalizations. If you know about Malcolm X, you would know he is something worth teaching just as much as MLK is.
Why? He's too conflicted to teach until a college level course on civil rights, which I'm sure actually discusses him in depth. Most school general history books dedicate all of a few paragraphs to MLK and the Civil rights movement. To get Malcom X right you have to basically study him from beginning to end. MLK gets taught more because he is easy to teach and was more in the forefront. In short it is easy to sum up MLK in a few paragraphs, you can't do that with X.
You may not like generalizations, but that is really all that is taught in basic level history books.
Look at how many people get Malcom X wrong, or just know his early hate filled teachings. These are the same idiots who wear his hats as they loot and burn their own neighborhoods. To most people he is just a t-shirt or hat to wear with the same misguided hype that makes Che Guevara shirts so popular.
"“I think right about now we have to beware of marketed Malcolms and Martins. Real people do real things.”
― Chuck D
STILL haven't given up on this gem? /Shrug. I guess it's better than Nazi Atlantis.
Karon wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Wasn't he?
If you're an ignorant moron, yes - obviously.
First of all you're offensive and calling Kamikaze names is a violation of rule 1.
Second Malcom X wanted the equivalent of a 2 state solution in the US, along with violent revolution. He was a bigot. His place in history is that of a bigot, not a reformer. He's lucky his name is mentioned at all.
DickBandit wrote:
AustonT wrote:
DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.
Absolutely false.
How so?
The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.
DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.
Absolutely false.
How so?
The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.
You're absolutely right. All those things contribute to ensuring that your engine burns the fuel efficiently as possible.
Here's how:
Crankshaft Timing: This is used to tell the PCM (powertrain control module) when Piston #1 is coming up on TDC (top dead center) for compression shortly before the power stroke. Using this information the PCM can accurately time the ignition coil to fire the spark. Different manufacturers can program this based on whatever they feel provides the most accurate info. So really Crankshaft Timing can be done with any of the cylinders on any stroke, but #1 is usually the most commonly used for simplicity's sake.
Coolant System Failures: When your engine is first started (Let's say first thing in the morning) it is at ambient temperature. Unfortunately the engine's ideal operating temperature is USUALLY (differs from make and model) around 190 degrees Fahrenheit. So when the engine is cold is makes the engine burn rich (more fuel than is needed) to rapidly warm up. If the engine cannot warm up as fast as it should, your emissions suffer because a lot of unburnt fuel is exiting your exhaust pipe. A hot engine will damage pistons, piston rings, leak oil, and many other catastrophic failures. These failures can also become detrimental to the vehicle's emissions.
STILL haven't given up on this gem? /Shrug. I guess it's better than Nazi Atlantis.
Karon wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Wasn't he?
If you're an ignorant moron, yes - obviously.
First of all you're offensive and calling Kamikaze names is a violation of rule 1.
Second Malcom X wanted the equivalent of a 2 state solution in the US, along with violent revolution. He was a bigot. His place in history is that of a bigot, not a reformer. He's lucky his name is mentioned at all.
DickBandit wrote:
AustonT wrote:
DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.
Absolutely false.
How so?
The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.
You show your lack of knowledge of Malcolm X, Auston. You have no idea who he was. Read back throughout where we started talking about him, we already explained his life.
I didn't call Canuck a moron, I said that if one was to think that - then they are an ignorant moron.
DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.
Absolutely false.
How so?
The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.
You're absolutely right. All those things contribute to ensuring that your engine burns the fuel efficiently as possible.
Here's how:
Crankshaft Timing: This is used to tell the PCM (powertrain control module) when Piston #1 is coming up on TDC (top dead center) for compression shortly before the power stroke. Using this information the PCM can accurately time the ignition coil to fire the spark. Different manufacturers can program this based on whatever they feel provides the most accurate info. So really Crankshaft Timing can be done with any of the cylinders on any stroke, but #1 is usually the most commonly used for simplicity's sake.
Coolant System Failures: When your engine is first started (Let's say first thing in the morning) it is at ambient temperature. Unfortunately the engine's ideal operating temperature is USUALLY (differs from make and model) around 190 degrees Fahrenheit. So when the engine is cold is makes the engine burn rich (more fuel than is needed) to rapidly warm up. If the engine cannot warm up as fast as it should, your emissions suffer because a lot of unburnt fuel is exiting your exhaust pipe. A hot engine will damage pistons, piston rings, leak oil, and many other catastrophic failures. These failures can also become detrimental to the vehicle's emissions.
I'm inclined to think you might be stretching that logic but I'm willing to entertain the possibility you are correct. I'll look into it, my instinct is that you may be widening the scope of "emissions" a little far.
You show your lack of knowledge of Malcolm X, Auston. You have no idea who he was. Read back throughout where we started talking about him, we already explained his life.
I didn't call Canuck a moron, I said that if one was to think that - then they are an ignorant moron.
Well that's not really true though. This is the problem with Malcom X, in his life he was many things to many people. He was at times a bigot, he was also at times a revolutionary, he was a pawn of the NOI, he was a criminal and reportedly prostituted himself to other men. It was only later in life, after his pilgrimage to Mecca that he became anything worthy of a civil rights leader, but that was so far into the end of his life that it really does not make up for his past. He can hardly be called a role model, except for the end of his moral journey and redemption.
If anyone is being ignorant it is the one who only sees the end result of Malcom X, and not the life that led up to it. For most of his life Malcom X was a misguided and hateful donkey cave. You can't blame people for remembering him as one, because they didn't pay attention to the last moments of his life, to many people at that point he was already someone not worth listing to.
The most remarkable thing about Malcom X (its more a commentary of Isalm really) is that he learned tolerance from Islam. Which just goes to show how much Radical Islam has changed the current mood of some Islamic teachings.
DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.
Absolutely false.
How so?
The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.
You're absolutely right. All those things contribute to ensuring that your engine burns the fuel efficiently as possible.
Here's how:
Crankshaft Timing: This is used to tell the PCM (powertrain control module) when Piston #1 is coming up on TDC (top dead center) for compression shortly before the power stroke. Using this information the PCM can accurately time the ignition coil to fire the spark. Different manufacturers can program this based on whatever they feel provides the most accurate info. So really Crankshaft Timing can be done with any of the cylinders on any stroke, but #1 is usually the most commonly used for simplicity's sake.
Coolant System Failures: When your engine is first started (Let's say first thing in the morning) it is at ambient temperature. Unfortunately the engine's ideal operating temperature is USUALLY (differs from make and model) around 190 degrees Fahrenheit. So when the engine is cold is makes the engine burn rich (more fuel than is needed) to rapidly warm up. If the engine cannot warm up as fast as it should, your emissions suffer because a lot of unburnt fuel is exiting your exhaust pipe. A hot engine will damage pistons, piston rings, leak oil, and many other catastrophic failures. These failures can also become detrimental to the vehicle's emissions.
I'm inclined to think you might be stretching that logic but I'm willing to entertain the possibility you are correct. I'll look into it, my instinct is that you may be widening the scope of "emissions" a little far.
It seems that way, but that's how it is. That's the reason why you will fail state inspection if a Check Engine Light is lit.
Incorrect spark timing may not properly burn the air/fuel mixture. Your catalytic converter is a small combustion chamber that is meant to ignite any remaining fuel in the exhaust stream. If there is too much coming through the catalytic converter may be damaged due to too much fuel passing through. It's only meant to burn it, not make explosions. The 02 sensor will pick up on this, and if the PCM cannot adjust enough to correct the issue it will set a DTC (diagnostic trouble code) and storeit in the KAM (keep alive memory) inside the PCM. If it continues it will light the check engine light.
Karon wrote:I don't like generalizations. If you know about Malcolm X, you would know he is something worth teaching just as much as MLK is.
So people who don't think he's worth teaching are simply wrong, because they haven't read enough.
Meanwhile, the problem with teaching Malcolm X is that you end up teaching a character study. MLK, on the other hand, can be used as a proxy for teaching about a whole movement.
And, as I said earlier, I think it's far more problematic that we've simplified MLK down to 'wanted black and white people to be equal', and have steadily worked to all but ignore the commentary he gave on economics and class.
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DeadlySquirrel wrote:Mandela threw a bomb into a cafe filled with women and children. He's a terrorist alright
What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread?
I don’t go for anything that’s non-violent and turn-the-other-cheekish. I don’t see how any revolution—I’ve never heard of a non-violent revolution or a revolution that was brought about by turning the other cheek, and so I believe that it is a crime for anyone to teach a person who is being brutalized to continue to accept that brutality without doing something to defend himself. If this is what the Christian-Gandhian philosophy teaches then it is criminal—a criminal philosophy.
Also from the horse's mouth:
And by political philosophy I mean we still believe in the Honorable Elijah Muhammad’s solution as complete separation. The 22,000,000 so-called Negroes should be separated completely from America and should be permitted to go back home to our African homeland which is a long-range program; so the short-range program is that we must eat while we’re still here, we must have a place to sleep, we have clothes to wear, we must have better jobs, we must have better education; so that although our long-range political philosophy is to migrate back to our African homeland, our short-range program must involve that which is necessary to enable us to live a better life while we are still here. We must be in complete control of the politics of the so-called Negro community; we must gain complete control over the politicians in the so-called Negro community, so that no outsider will have any voice in the so-called Negro community. We’ll do it ourselves.
biccat wrote:
It's like a mass conspiracy to defame the poor, misunderstood hero of uh...violent black separatism.
Indeed, and it generally starts by implying that the goals of black nationalism would be accomplished by acts of violence.
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I was not aware of this, very interesting, cheers.
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I was simply pointing out that Mandela is a terrorist, who belongs in prison for what he has done. If I did half of the things he had, I'd be in prison for life... Not the leader of a nation who is respected by most people.
DeadlySquirrel wrote:I was simply pointing out that Mandela is a terrorist, who belongs in prison for what he has done. If I did half of the things he had, I'd be in prison for life... Not the leader of a nation who is respected by most people.
He used violence as a means to an end, i.e. the end of apartheid. That's usually regarded as a "good" thing.
Was 9/11 a good thing? That was using violence as a means to an end. Was Saddam's invasion of Kuwait to prevent slant drilling into his oil and the subsequent war a good thing? That was a means to an end. Were the 7/7 bombings a good thing? What about the IRA's bombings? Or other acts of terrorism?
DeadlySquirrel wrote:I was simply pointing out that Mandela is a terrorist, who belongs in prison for what he has done. If I did half of the things he had, I'd be in prison for life... Not the leader of a nation who is respected by most people.
biccat wrote:
I don't know why you would believe that black nationalism requiers violence. While you might infer that from my comment, I in no way implied it.
Violent black separatism (Malcolm X) is different from black separatism (Nation of Islam pre-Crazy Louie).
You certainly did, given that you used black separatism as a substitution for black nationalism, and further added the "violent" adjective despite the words as spoken; which entailed only defensive violence. I mean, you continue to use "separatism" instead of "nationalism". Good show, good show.
That's alright though, I'm used to you pretending to the "essence" of what was said by others, rather than dealing with what was said.
But, to be fair, Malcolm X was not laudable, though his position was understandable. Calling him a terrorist is lazy, and moronic; as is calling him a hero or some such. He was a complicated dude in a complicated situation, and is often misrepresented by both ends of that particular political issue.
DeadlySquirrel wrote:I was simply pointing out that Mandela is a terrorist, who belongs in prison for what he has done. If I did half of the things he had, I'd be in prison for life... Not the leader of a nation who is respected by most people.
what did he do?
In a nutshell he was the leader both publically and privately of a terrorist organization responsible for planning and executing bombings, Assasinations and massacres in South Africa with the goal of ending apartheid.
dogma wrote:...and further added the "violent" adjective despite the words as spoken; which entailed only defensive violence. I mean, you continue to use "separatism" instead of "nationalism".
Malcolm X talked about revolution - which according to the quote I provided necessarily includes violence - to separate the black community from the white community.
If he had suggested buying land somewhere in the Rocky Mountains and leading his followers there, and then defending them against violent mobs of opponents (someone did this in the mid- 19th century IIRC), then you'd have a case for "black nationalism."
dogma wrote:That's alright though, I'm used to you pretending to the "essence" of what was said by others, rather than dealing with what was said.
If you're going to ignore what he said, that's great. Like I said, you're always entitled to your opinion, even when that opinion is based on a objectively false facts.
biccat wrote:
Malcolm X talked about revolution - which according to the quote I provided necessarily includes violence - to separate the black community from the white community.
If he had suggested buying land somewhere in the Rocky Mountains and leading his followers there, and then defending them against violent mobs of opponents (someone did this in the mid- 19th century IIRC), then you'd have a case for "black nationalism."
And that sense of revolution was couched in being allowed to return to Africa, and the violence was specified as being in defense of this cause.
Shockingly, "revolution" doesn't simply mean "replace the government".
biccat wrote:
If you're going to ignore what he said, that's great. Like I said, you're always entitled to your opinion, even when that opinion is based on a objectively false facts.
What did he say, as presented here, that I'm ignoring?
You seem to be, as usual, running with your interpretation and pretending that everything else is ignorance.
Its lame, and made all the more lame by your nominal criticism of others for doing the same.
I know you'll attempt to mirror this criticism, but I clearly have a tendency to point out possible alternatives, you do not.
DeadlySquirrel wrote:I was simply pointing out that Mandela is a terrorist, who belongs in prison for what he has done. If I did half of the things he had, I'd be in prison for life... Not the leader of a nation who is respected by most people.
what did he do?
In a nutshell he was the leader both publically and privately of a terrorist organization responsible for planning and executing bombings, Assasinations and massacres in South Africa with the goal of ending apartheid.
He also personally carried out a few bombings, the worst one was when he detonated a ruck sack bomb in a cafe filled with women and children... He was a hero alright...
Albatross wrote:Presumably bin Laden would have considered removing American occupiers from the Middle East to be a 'good thing'..
Of course, at the time of 9/11 we weren't an occupier. Ironical...
... And if you believe the story they tell about 9/11, they were mostly from Saudi Arabia. We didn't declare war on them...
Napolean was from Corsica, we didn't invade them.
Etc etc.
There are so few people in Al Quieda it's impossible to figure out where "they" are really from.
Al-Qaeda's membership is irrelevant to us invading Afghanistan. Anyone arguing otherwise needs to get a grip. Bin Laden and much of Al-Qaeda's leadership are from Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, but they were operating out of Afghanistan with the support of the Taliban (and Saudi Arabia pretty much kicked Bin Laden out of the country, and Al Zawahiri isn't exactly popular in Egypt).
DickBandit wrote: Stuff about the check engine light.
My check engine light on my Prius comes on when the timer from my last oil change triggers it.
That has nothing to do with emissions. It's a timer that turns it on past X miles.
That's a maintenance light. All Toyotas have them.
Maintenance Required lights are a new way for manufacturers to remind the driver that their vehicle is due for routine maintenance. By reminding the driver to do so, this can help extend the life of the vehicle because it is now being properly maintained. (If you follow the maintenance required light.)
Son_Of _Deddog wrote:One ton of used mobile phones contains more gold than one ton of gold ore...
You realized that makes absolutely no logical sense. At all. Unless phones are now made of pure gold and even then, that's just comparing a ton of gold to another ton of gold.
Son_Of _Deddog wrote:One ton of used mobile phones contains more gold than one ton of gold ore...
You realized that makes absolutely no logical sense. At all. Unless phones are now made of pure gold and even then, that's just comparing a ton of gold to another ton of gold.
I think he is referring to gold before it has been seperated from the minerals and earth around it.
Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
Malcolm X visited London on a number of occasions. Notably when the Tories used the slogan "If you want a [see forum posting rules] for a neigbour vote Labour" (please excuse the language it is a quote not a personal statement).
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AustonT wrote:
Blackhoof wrote:
DeadlySquirrel wrote:I was simply pointing out that Mandela is a terrorist, who belongs in prison for what he has done. If I did half of the things he had, I'd be in prison for life... Not the leader of a nation who is respected by most people.
what did he do?
In a nutshell he was the leader both publically and privately of a terrorist organization responsible for planning and executing bombings, Assasinations and massacres in South Africa with the goal of ending apartheid.
In his defense the apartheid system was effectively starving, demeaning and killing his people.
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DeadlySquirrel wrote:Was 9/11 a good thing? That was using violence as a means to an end. Was Saddam's invasion of Kuwait to prevent slant drilling into his oil and the subsequent war a good thing? That was a means to an end. Were the 7/7 bombings a good thing? What about the IRA's bombings? Or other acts of terrorism?
I have one case where the IRA bombings did some good: Manchester Arndale Center.
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Castiel wrote:Apparently tea cosies kill more people each year than tigers do.
Sharks have the ability to sense the electrical signals given off by movement in water.
They do this with a series of jelly-filled pores, which can detect the electromagnetic field of other animals.
Hammerhead sharks in particular rely on this sense, which is why their head looks so strange; it allows for a greater surface area to work with, making their head a sort of electromagnetic "metal detector."
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