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World of Tanks @ 2012/03/27 23:05:45


Post by: necron overlord


Are the U.S.A tanks any good. If not who does have the best tanks.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/04 23:13:52


Post by: purplefood


You mean the MMO type thing right?
If it's perfectly historic then the Germans.
Otherwise i'd say there is a balance between the various countries tanks with German ones being harder to kill and harder hitting but slower than the Allies...

That said that is a total guess.
Would be amusing to see whether i'm completly wrong or not...


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/05 00:34:58


Post by: LordofHats


U.S. Tanks tend to be underrated. The Sherman is actually pretty good once fully upgraded and it leads to the Sherman E8 and the Sherman Jumbo both of which are fairly good for their tiers. The T29 (the teir 7 US Heavy) is arguably the best in its tier. There are some bad tanks, I'm glaring at you T1. Your horrible. The M3 Lee is the crux of much of the US development line and that tank can be painful (or very easy it seems to vary by person). US Tank Destroyers up to the M36 are very fun.

This is how I look at the nations in WoT:

U.S.A.: Armor starts off light and then gets heavier into the trees. Fast firing accurate guns. A lot of flexibility in their vehicles. American tanks tend to have decent all around stats and towards the end have extremely heavy turret armor especially in the heavy tank line. US mediums are very well rounded.

Germany: Armor starts of average and remains so throughout until the very end. The Maus and E100 have the heaviest armor in the game I believe. German tanks have some of the best guns in the game imo. They accurate and powerful with decent rates of fire. A lot of late German tanks have severe draw backs, either very low speed or very poor armor. Tier V and VI German tanks are probably the best in their tiers, especially the PzIV and the VK3601.

USSR: It depends on how you go. Early Russian tanks are fast, lightly armored, and tend to be very powerfully gunned. Further into the tree they remain some of the most mobile tanks, with heavier armor. Their guns are powerful but tend to be poor in accuracy.

France: starts off with slow heavy armor vehicles and transitions into lightly armored very well gunned vehicles with good speed.

Generally thats how I see it. Vehicles are okay in balance, but the matchmaker has a tendency to screw people and some tanks are outclassed by a mile by their compatriots (the Tiger sucks compared to the US T29 and the Russian IS).


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/05 01:19:39


Post by: Tazz Azrael


I personally think that the American SPGs (artillery) is the best in the game. There is definitely allot of "Bull S T i should have killed him" moments but other then that its a blast to play with some friends.

I'm finding that i prefer to use the Tank Destroyers and artillery the most, but i am working towards the T-29 heavy tank and the IS heavy tank.

If you feel like adding me im Tazz_Azrael in game


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/05 05:53:22


Post by: Doctadeth


German TD's are some of the best, The Marder is probably the best low tier tank of all, it's got nice speed, accuracy is good and it's profile is quite low so it doesn't get hit lots.




World of Tanks @ 2012/03/05 06:34:37


Post by: LordofHats


If Im not mistaken the Marder also packs a 76mm fully upgraded (75?). Either way its a pretty beastly gun for a tier 3 tank. Higher end German TD's suffer the same draw back as US high teir TD's. Poor a gak turning. I think that in the high end the Russians have the TD department won pretty handedly.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/05 11:57:48


Post by: The Foot


My russian tanks get wrecked all the time by german TD and US mediums. The french tanks are just really hard to damage and they have some good guns on there too, but once you figure out where to shoot them they are in trouble.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/06 01:07:17


Post by: necron overlord


Thanks for the help. I will do a mix of the armies. In a few days I will tell what type of tanks I got. Also my name is Kingtiger55.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/06 22:37:36


Post by: Galdos


Personally I love the American Mediums (finished the mediums not to long ago) Once you hit the M4 Sherman and onwards the Americans have the best medium tanks IMHO

Enjoyed the USA TDs (Almost finished the Slugger)

Disliked USA arty (recently got the M-41 which I actually enjoy, the Priest was so bad)

Hated the USSR mediums (Unlucked T-43, havnt bought it yet though)



Thats all Ive done so far


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/08 06:10:31


Post by: Tazz Azrael


Just got the American T-29 heavy tank and holy heck that thing is destruction incarnate.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/08 06:29:46


Post by: helgrenze


I agree on the French tanks being armored to hell, especially mid tiers. They give arty from all source issues, until they turn away from you.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/08 14:48:13


Post by: The Foot


Yeah they do, I hate plinking at those damn french tanks. Best way to kill them with an actualy tank is aim for the turret, I have some pretty good success hitting them there.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/09 02:59:32


Post by: necron overlord


Just for fun I wanted to have a French tank. Should I do the heavies or the lights?


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/09 03:04:21


Post by: Galdos


The lights

They are fething horrifying


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/09 03:09:20


Post by: necron overlord


Ok thanks


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/10 08:19:25


Post by: Tazz Azrael


If you are afraid of success in battle then avoid the lights like the plague.... and hope that you dont get one shot


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/12 03:17:55


Post by: Blacksails


The French light/medium line is pure, unadulterated sex. From the AMX 13/75 up, you will have an absolute blast.

The US heavies are not great, with the T29 being the exception. The US heavies are plagued by poor hull armour and guns that rely on DPM, which will suffer in peekaboo fights or where the enemy has plenty of hard cover. The US mediums, however, are fantastic. I only really played the T20 and Pershing, but they are excellent little tanks. Takes a little extra work to get them to shine, but if you have the knack, they'll treat you well.

I went Russian heavy and medium first, and I love the Russian heavy line. I'm almost done the french medium line, just researched my Patton, almost done the Russian medium line, and nearly completed the Russian heavy line.

The Americans are getting two new tier 9 and 10 heavies, so we'll see how they perform.

Feel free to hit me up in game. Same name as on here.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/12 13:38:57


Post by: helgrenze


You ever have people actively hunting you in game?
Happened to me a couple times with my T57, one guy even "called" out my name when the battle started. That guy I smoked.... apparently for the third time.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/12 16:30:25


Post by: Blacksails


helgrenze wrote:You ever have people actively hunting you in game?
Happened to me a couple times with my T57, one guy even "called" out my name when the battle started. That guy I smoked.... apparently for the third time.


Never. Unless I load up a match with a clan member on the other team. I have had some 12-year old spaz threaten to hunt me down and kill me...for winning the match. Oh well, kids with bad parents will be kids with bad parents.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/13 15:26:50


Post by: The Foot


Blacksails wrote:
helgrenze wrote:You ever have people actively hunting you in game?
Happened to me a couple times with my T57, one guy even "called" out my name when the battle started. That guy I smoked.... apparently for the third time.


Never. Unless I load up a match with a clan member on the other team. I have had some 12-year old spaz threaten to hunt me down and kill me...for winning the match. Oh well, kids with bad parents will be kids with bad parents.


I love it when kids shoot their mouths off on these games. I don't normally troll people in games since i hate it when people do it to me, but when people do that my inner troll comes out from under the bridge.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/13 17:17:49


Post by: Deathklaat


well i have been playing WoT since closed beta so i have a pretty decent stock of tanks. i have played tanks from every tree except for SPGs because i don't like them.

My current garage looks something like this:

US M4, US M6, US T82, Ger VK3001P, Ger Panther, Ger Tiger(Elite), USSR T-34-85, USSR KV(Elite), USSR KV-3(Elite), USSR IS-3, USSR SU-100

Currently working on my M6 to get the T-29 so i can replace my Tiger with a Tiger II.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/13 19:33:20


Post by: Blacksails


Nice garage you got there, Deathklaat. I can't stand playing the German tanks, so I'm mostly a Russian/American player, with some French thrown in.

I just got my Patton, and I'm a day from researching my BatChat, and a few more days from my T-54. Also two thirds done the grind to the IS-7 on my IS-4. The problem now is credits...so many credits I have to grind...

Oh well, still loving the game after nearly 3,000 battles. Joined a great little clan with some fun guys, and participate in tournaments, companies, and regular platoons. The game is a lot more enjoyable with some good guys on Teamspeak to joke with.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/13 19:49:23


Post by: Melissia


Back when I played I was mostly using tank destroyers. I'll have to look in to playing again at a later date.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/13 20:39:07


Post by: necron overlord


Just got the M4A3E2 working on getting the M6. Got a stug3 15.5k away from JagdPz4. Then I got BT-2(just got), SU-85b,SU-26. Plans are to get the JagdPz4. Then work on getting the T-54.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/14 03:18:02


Post by: Tazz Azrael


Lets see i got : T-29, M4 Sherman, M41, T-40 (i think thats the tier4 american TD), StuGIII, AMX 40, and a SU-5


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/14 04:10:37


Post by: Melissia


Lol. Uhm.

I think I had the first four or five german tank hunters, had some Russian artillery, and was working on my American tanks and had just gotten past the Lee.

But it's been over a year...


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/14 11:02:59


Post by: Deathklaat


oh the Lee how much fun that was, and the SU-85 with the 107.

Oddly one of my favorite tanks for gameplay/credit farming is the KV with the 107mm gun. I killed a Type-59 that had 63% health left with a single shot. I guess those Chinese tanks carry lots of fireworks.

i am nearing 500 battles with my KV, some day i will have to retire it.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/14 20:24:28


Post by: Blacksails


Deathklaat wrote:

i am nearing 500 battles with my KV, some day i will have to retire it.


One does not simply retire a KV.

I almost have an IS-7 and I still kept my derp KV for the lulz. There's no more fun to be had than loading up your derp with gold rounds and run around derping anything that crosses your reticle. Bonus points for penetrating some tier 8 tank and causing 700+ damage.

Granted, its always good to keep some tier 4 and 6 tanks for medium level tank companies.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/15 00:51:25


Post by: Tazz Azrael


I have to ask this, but why would you just throw away money on gold rounds?! sure i get it youl kill stuff allot easier but the ammo is a waste o money. On a side note i hated my Derp KV, but it turns out i was jsut being a tard and not using HE shells


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/15 10:59:25


Post by: Deathklaat


the 107 is vastly superior to the 152, sure you can do silly damage but you only carry a handfull of rounds, you have a slow as hell reload and you accuracy is bad on a good day. i love sniping across half the map with my 107.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/15 15:41:59


Post by: Blacksails


Deathklaat wrote:the 107 is vastly superior to the 152, sure you can do silly damage but you only carry a handfull of rounds, you have a slow as hell reload and you accuracy is bad on a good day. i love sniping across half the map with my 107.


The 152 is actually overall more useful for random matches, as the KV will be put very often into T8+ matches. While the 107 is a good gun, the derp will regularly take chunks out of those IS3s and KTs that the 107 isn't capable of doing. Remember that the 107 is what's on the KV-5, which is why its such a terrible T8 heavy tank.

On the topic of gold rounds, I use gold rounds for tournaments and company battles. Not only does it really help ensure I get that round through, it helps me focus on running the company and not on trying to hit the weakspots on KV-3s. Plus, you often shoot less in company battles, so 5-8 rounds is all you need for a battles, which isn't a lot of gold.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/15 16:02:17


Post by: Deathklaat


i have killed a fair amount of T8 tanks with my 107, you just have to be smart about it and support your team from range.



World of Tanks @ 2012/03/17 18:01:12


Post by: necron overlord


I hate it when people team kill you for no reason. For example I accidentally bump into somebody did no damage then he team killed me.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/17 23:25:16


Post by: Tazz Azrael


Yeah team killers are a pain.... if i am lucky though it always seems to be a low tier tank trying to act badass, fethers never expect me to shoot back repeatably so i generally wind up being a team killer


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/17 23:55:59


Post by: helgrenze


Only times I rack a team kill is with my artys, when a tank rams my target, after I fired.
Got slaughtered earlier today when 3 tanks just drove past my team and into the Arty line... with no-one in pursuit.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/18 04:41:34


Post by: Melissia


Ugh, this game suffers from a clear problem of the "no balance" bug.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/18 04:44:47


Post by: LordofHats


Melissia wrote:Ugh, this game suffers from a clear problem of the "no balance" bug.


While that is a problem the real problem is the matchmaker. It prioritizes quickly putting people into games. This means that you can be in a tier 3 tank and often will end up in battles against tanks as much as 4 tiers higher then your own. At that point, there's not much point in trying. You're just going to die and there's not much you can do.

The various balance problems, like how the Tiger is woefully inferior in nearly every way compared to its T29 and IS counterparts, are somewhat less problematic in the face of the issue of the matchmaker.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/18 05:27:05


Post by: Tazz Azrael


LordofHats wrote:
Melissia wrote:Ugh, this game suffers from a clear problem of the "no balance" bug.


While that is a problem the real problem is the matchmaker. It prioritizes quickly putting people into games. This means that you can be in a tier 3 tank and often will end up in battles against tanks as much as 4 tiers higher then your own. At that point, there's not much point in trying. You're just going to die and there's not much you can do.

The various balance problems, like how the Tiger is woefully inferior in nearly every way compared to its T29 and IS counterparts, are somewhat less problematic in the face of the issue of the matchmaker.


Beta tested version 7.2 and believe it or not they actually did a overhaul thats working really well on the matchmaker


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/18 05:28:30


Post by: Melissia


I certainly hope so. I'm tired of facing off against tanks which my tank destroyer cannot harm even when getting a side or rear shot.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/18 12:59:36


Post by: Deathklaat


i decided to try French tanks again and i quickly remembered how much i hate them. i am in my teir 3 med amx and i am in the top 3 in mm but yet i cant even pen the arty at the bottom of the list.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/18 14:51:58


Post by: helgrenze


LordofHats wrote:
Melissia wrote:Ugh, this game suffers from a clear problem of the "no balance" bug.


While that is a problem the real problem is the matchmaker. It prioritizes quickly putting people into games. This means that you can be in a tier 3 tank and often will end up in battles against tanks as much as 4 tiers higher then your own. At that point, there's not much point in trying. You're just going to die and there's not much you can do.

The various balance problems, like how the Tiger is woefully inferior in nearly every way compared to its T29 and IS counterparts, are somewhat less problematic in the face of the issue of the matchmaker.


When I get matched up like that in my tier 3/4 tanks I just pop the high octane gas and see how far I can scout before taking a fatal hit.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/18 16:11:17


Post by: Melissia


Or being one-shot from far beyond your range by a tank which you couldn't kill even if its player as afk...


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/18 21:30:31


Post by: helgrenze


I like the guys that ram SPGs and TDs in the front... nothing like getting fresh cover from one-shotting said idiot.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/19 00:41:39


Post by: Melissia


That reminds me, someone did that to an arty tank yesterday.

In fact, three people did it to him, in the same game.

He was like "it must my fethin' lucky day!"


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/19 02:24:34


Post by: halonachos


American TDs are getting incredibly buffed and their tree is getting redesigned after the 20th of March.




On a side note for the 7.2 update; if you have the T34 in your garage then you get the premium version fully upgraded and crewed. The T34 will become a premium but will not be available for purchase. The T30 is becoming a tier X tank destroyer which means the US should have superior TDs in respect to the fact that some American TDs have turrets and don't have to turn-to-face to shoot at a target. I think you get the two new heavies free as well, but am not sure about that.

The next big update is 7.3 which will rework the Russian line. So far the big things with it is that if you have a KV in your garage you will get a KV-2 for free and if you have a KV-3 you should get a KV-4 for free.

They are planning more French tanks for after 7.3.

Everyone knows that you flank TDs and artys, especially if the TDs think they're safe in a wall formation. I am a medium, I go around your defenses and track your TDs.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/19 02:30:05


Post by: Deathklaat


i was in my AMX 40 today and boy does it suck, however i have upgraded my tracks and the LULZ has begun. I found that the AMX 40 is able to go 50khp...downhill... so i did what any other player in a tank with a substandard gun would do. i rammed the first enemy tank i found which happened to be an M4 and i did so much more damage to him than i ever could have shooting him.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/19 02:34:12


Post by: halonachos


You should see what happens when you ram a French tank, easy 50% damage.

But I finally got my first Boelter's in my tiger, I found it funny because it took me twelve or so matches to finally get a kill with my stock tiger. Speaking of killing things, my WoT username is the same as my screen name here so if you ever see me in a match say "hey" and I'll make sure I save you for last.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/19 02:50:48


Post by: Melissia


Glad American TDs are getting buffed. I like german TDs and all, but I still think I like American ones better...


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/19 03:45:43


Post by: halonachos


Its turning out that Americans have overall speed, Germans have accuracy, and Russians have power. And in terms of specialty tanks Americans have TDs, French have lights, Russians have heavies, and Germans have mediums. At least in my opinion of them so far.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/19 04:54:54


Post by: Melissia


Ah, I'll definitely have a look at USA's new TDs then.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/20 03:35:19


Post by: necron overlord


On the jagdpz4 is it worth putting on the 8,8cm pak 36 L/56 or just us the 7,5 cm 42 L/70. Then for the jagdtiger how hard is it to hide. Is it worth putting camouflage for the crew and putting camouflage net on the jagdtiger if it is hard to hide.

Can't wait for the U.S.A TD.



World of Tanks @ 2012/03/20 03:45:13


Post by: Melissia


In my experience, if you have the credits for it it's ALWAYS worth putting camo on.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/20 04:04:24


Post by: halonachos


In 7.2 they're adding 20 new skills, each crew member will have some specific skills and there are some that can be applied to all crew members. For example there is a skill for the loader that reduces the chance of being ammo racked, a skill for the radioman that allows you to broadcast positions even after you're dead(radioman has to be unwounded before hand), and even a commander perk that lets you know when you're no longer spotted.

Now here's a quick thing to add, they are reducing the credit income of all TDs because they actually gain the most credits. This will apply to all higher tier TDs and not to tier 2 to 4 I believe.

BTW the hellcat's speed has been nerfed, the maximum speed allowed by the game is 72km/h so they had to make the hellcat go slower than it could in real life in order to fit the game's physics. This makes the hellcat the fastest TD in the game.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/20 14:57:13


Post by: Tazz Azrael


halonachos wrote:American TDs are getting incredibly buffed and their tree is getting redesigned after the 20th of March.




On a side note for the 7.2 update; if you have the T34 in your garage then you get the premium version fully upgraded and crewed. The T34 will become a premium but will not be available for purchase. The T30 is becoming a tier X tank destroyer which means the US should have superior TDs in respect to the fact that some American TDs have turrets and don't have to turn-to-face to shoot at a target. I think you get the two new heavies free as well, but am not sure about that.

The next big update is 7.3 which will rework the Russian line. So far the big things with it is that if you have a KV in your garage you will get a KV-2 for free and if you have a KV-3 you should get a KV-4 for free.

They are planning more French tanks for after 7.3.

Everyone knows that you flank TDs and artys, especially if the TDs think they're safe in a wall formation. I am a medium, I go around your defenses and track your TDs.


I think i will have to hold onto my KV then...... i hate the bloody thing but if it meens i get a free tank then heck il keep it


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/20 15:49:07


Post by: halonachos


On a side note, Dragon is putting promo codes for World of Tanks into some of their model kits. There will be a World of Tanks sticker on the packaging if does contain a promo code inside.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/22 10:39:29


Post by: Pacific


Wow that's an awesome idea!

Good game, and fun for a while, but also very frustrating. I think you have to take it for what it is, which is a kind of fun arcadey-team shooter, rather than anything more in depth. As others have mentioned, the MM system is a joke, but perhaps deliberate so that you pay gold to get the bonus XP and get through that 'Depression zone' over tier 3 and 4 tanks as quickly as possible. Interestingly, who are those people who play tier-6 or 7 tanks against 3 or even 2? I have never been that person.

I've heard a lot of comments that the Russian tanks are unfairly balanced, but I think it just more to do with the mechanics of the game, which favour close-up brawling (the main strength of the Russian tanks) over the kind of operation that the Tiger used in real life. Hence the wails of despair of Tiger players who spend ages getting the tanks only to find the famed '88 is nothing like as effective as historical fact made out. Oh well


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/26 02:44:18


Post by: halonachos


I have a promo code for 1,000 gold for anybody who wants to start up an account, let me know if you or somebody you know wants to start playing the game.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/26 03:53:42


Post by: Melissia


Pacific wrote:Wow that's an awesome idea!

Good game, and fun for a while, but also very frustrating. I think you have to take it for what it is, which is a kind of fun arcadey-team shooter, rather than anything more in depth. As others have mentioned, the MM system is a joke, but perhaps deliberate so that you pay gold to get the bonus XP and get through that 'Depression zone' over tier 3 and 4 tanks as quickly as possible. Interestingly, who are those people who play tier-6 or 7 tanks against 3 or even 2? I have never been that person.

I've heard a lot of comments that the Russian tanks are unfairly balanced, but I think it just more to do with the mechanics of the game, which favour close-up brawling (the main strength of the Russian tanks) over the kind of operation that the Tiger used in real life. Hence the wails of despair of Tiger players who spend ages getting the tanks only to find the famed '88 is nothing like as effective as historical fact made out. Oh well
It's also a problem tank destroyers have.

It's a gakky deal whenever you have to deal with tanks taht you cannot penetrate HITTING REAR ARMOR.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/27 03:45:09


Post by: halonachos


Some of the tanks have glitchy armor, the Vk 3601 is a prime example of a glitchy tank. The way they calculate penetration depends on the angle you are hitting the other tank at. A shot that is perpendicular to the armor gets full penetrating power and this decreases the penetrating power of the shell. At less than 10 degrees the shot will never penetrate the armor.

But yes, the 3601's front armor is exclusively 90 degree angles and yet it can still bounce shots and this can apply to the rear of a lot of tanks. It may look like a clean shot, but if the game detects a slight angle then it may cause it to bounce.

Otherwise if you are going against heavy tanks, HE rounds are still an option despite the fact that they got nerfed a bit.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/27 19:12:25


Post by: Karon


What faction has the best artillery?

It looks like US has the "best" artillery, but the Germans look the most ominous - including a tank called Dracula.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/28 01:35:35


Post by: halonachos


The "best" artillery may just be the American artillery as their top tier gun does the most damage and has the highest accuracy. The Russian gun fires the fastest but has the worst damage and accuracy. The German gun is a happy medium, better firing rate than the Americans and better damage/accuracy than the Russians.

Oh and the tank isn't called "Dracula", nobody in the game calls it "dracula", we call it a GW Panther, now you can call it "dracula" because the thing sucks. Its a worthwhile grind to get to the GW Tiger though, that thing is a beast.

However I enjoy the Hummel because it can do multiple roles easily. It's fast and is my personal favorite out of all arty. This was back in beta though and things have changed, in fact when I got my hummel in beta there was no GW Panther or GW Tiger.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/28 02:19:47


Post by: Blacksails


Sorry, but you are wrong on two counts.

First the soviet top arty is the most accurate. Its pretty much laser guided in fact.

Second, the GW Panther is arguably the best tier 6 arty and one of the best arties overall in the game. The half turret, the better RoF than the other T6 arty, and the best accuracy at tier 6, not to mention better maneouverability, EASILY put it as the best tier 6 arty. The S-51/SU-14 are terrifying because of the huge damage they inflict.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/28 17:52:53


Post by: halonachos


The Panther is nowhere near the best arty for its tier. It has speed and that's all it has. Its gun is weaker, by 600 damage compared the the top weapon for the Russian tier 6, and it even has less damage than the American tier 6 arty. The German arty has the worst base signal range of all of the tier 6 arties as well.

Seriously, the American gun does more damage, 1,250 vs 1,200, fires at about the same rate as the German, 2.82 rounds per minute for the American and 2.92 rounds per minute compared to the Panther. The American gun does this with a very minimal charge to accuracy, .41 vs .38 for only a .03 difference. The Panther can run and that's all it can really do well. However, it lacks major gun depression, unlike the Hummel, which makes it miserable against direct firing targets.

The only reason to use the panther is to get to the Tiger which is a tier 7 arty that can pack on a tier 9 gun, this makes it the hardest hitting Arty and maybe even tank in the game. Especially for its tier, I have been one shotted in my Tiger by a GW Tiger, and best of all he also killed a M4 in the same shot.

Compared to the GW Panther, the Battle Bus is much, much better. Hell the M12 is better.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/28 22:53:17


Post by: Blacksails


Honestly, than you are probably in the 0.001% of the game that believe its not overall the best tier 6 arty. For champion company battles and tournaments, the only arty you'll see in a competitive setting is the GW Panther. It has a higher DPM than the American arty, is more accurate, moves faster, has an insane turret traverse, and still does great damage. There is nothing the American arty does better than the GW Panther.

At tier 6 for arty, the competitive choices are either the GW Panther for best all around arty, or the Russian pieces for the finger of god gun. There is nothing the American tank does better than either of those choices.

See this thread for people's thoughts on the matter. You'll notice its either S-51/SU-14 or GW Panther. The American arty isn't bad, its just not as good as the GW Panther.

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/95801-s51gw-pantheror-m12/page__st__20


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 02:03:24


Post by: halonachos


For the 15 minutes max the game has per battle, the slim change in rounds fired per minute isn't going to mean much. Oh and the American arty does have better damage, its about 200 or so points higher. So to say that the M12 can't do anything better, it sure as hell has a better signal range which lets it see tanks spotted by allies, and has better damage per shot.

It can't run as well and its overall traverse may be lower, but if you're turning to hit circling lights then you're doing it wrong.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 03:27:34


Post by: Blacksails


The M12 has exactly 50pts more of damage per shot, and 40 more metres of signal range. When you add in the slightly higher RoF, accuracy, mobility, and gun traverse of the GW Panther, you have a far more versatile and better arty overall.

Again, tell anyone in the game that the GW Panther is the worst tier 6 arty. I can promise you you'll get nothing but skeptical glances and quizzical looks asking if you're trolling.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 03:36:06


Post by: halonachos


I regularly talk about the tanks in general chat and their is no real "best" tank. The German can turn fast and run fast but that's it. The Russian can hit a whole hell of a lot harder but it can't turn as fast, then again if you hit something you won't need to track it for long.

I am not saying that its the worst, just that its a let down. The hummel was a great arty for its tier, and then I get something that can run like a hummel but is useless if it needs to get into TD mode. That's where I find the biggest fault in the arty, it can't protect itself as well as some others because in all honesty nobody tries to protect arty that often. This fact is especially true in pub matches.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 03:43:28


Post by: Blacksails


The point is, in a competitive environment, you have two choices. You either bring the Russian arty (either one really) for huge damage, or you bring the GW Panther for accurate, effective damage. The M12 offers nothing of real substance over either those choices. Some extra radio range and 50 extra damage is not as important as the Panther's accuracy, turret traverse, and mobility in a competitive environment.

At the end of the day, they're all similar in that they deal a lot of damage across the map, but your earlier statement about the GW Panther sucking couldn't be further from the truth.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 13:22:43


Post by: halonachos


With the relatively short play time per game I couldn't care too much about a fraction of time difference for reload, they both fire about 2 rounds per minute. There's also a tiny bit of difference with accuracy, again its not .3 against .5, its .38 against .41 which is not too big of a difference for an arty player who most likely has enough experience by that time to make up for accuracy.

If the only reason that one has to use the GW Panther is to run away from their firing position it means to me that they expect to get spotted. Turret traverse over a long distance is also almost negligible compared to turret traverse at close range.

The American arty is a happy medium that can engage targets that get too close and has decent speed in case it does need to move. Otherwise you need a camo net and a 100% camo crew.


Besides all of this though, I think that we can agree that the German artillery line is the best line overall as it outdoes the others in damage and accuracy in the long run. I have heard that the GW Tiger is the best for its tier and people claim multikills with it, Someone said they killed 3 IS-3's in one shot although he explained that they were already damaged.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 17:48:19


Post by: Blacksails


The reason that mobility is a good trait to have in arty if for counter battery fire. The SU-14 can be easily CB'd by a competent arty player because it takes so long for it to move a reasonable distance. The GW Panther can reliably move in any direction rapidly, avoiding the chance of getting hit by CB.

Originally you stated the GW Panther sucked, now you're saying it doesn't matter. The point I'm trying to make is that the M12 offers no real improvement over the Panther. The turret traverse is significant for either reacting to a scout that broke through, or settling on a target on the other side of the map quicker and with less accuracy lost due to little to no hull traverse needed.

The German line overall is the smoothest and nicest to climb from what I've heard. The Grille, Hummel, GW Panther, and GW Tiger are all great arty pieces.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 18:14:49


Post by: halonachos


I loved the German TD line in beta, and the hummel was fun in the current game but I decided to stay with mediums and heavies for the actual game. The Wespe is a waste of time though, so luckily its only used if you want to go arty from some of the mediums.

I still think that the Panther sucks compared to other arty, but I realize that I'm not going to change your position and you should realize by now that you won't change mine. However, we can agree that overall its a better tree.

The thing with CB is that AP shells don't have tracers, so sometimes it may not matter. I haven't heard anything about the GW Type E, but they say that direct hits are the only way to kill it because of its armor. However, the GW Tiger has the same gun minus some accuracy.


Oh and a release date for 7.2 is out, the release date is set for tomorrow. 3/30/2012. So if you're playing tomorrow expect a lot of TDs to be present, with everyone getting their hands on new TD due to free XP or saved XP.



World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 18:30:00


Post by: Deathklaat


i forgot to buy an extra slot for the new US TD tree when they were on sale last. :(


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 19:21:58


Post by: Blacksails


I'm just bracing myself for the slew of rage quitting American heavy tank players. The T34 got the nerf bat hard (kind of understandable considering how many there will be), and the M103 and T110 are not the best tier 9 and 10 tanks. Then again, the Hellcat is a blast to play, and the T28Prot and T30 should be good TDs.

I also hit a slump in the game as I just finished researching the four lines I was working on, so I have nothing left to work towards. I want new game types, and the British tech tree to come out ASAP.

As for the arty debate, sure. Agree to disagree. At the end of the day, I don't enjoy playing arty as I found it too boring compared to my normal medium tanking, and I still hate getting hit by ANY arty shell.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/29 19:54:13


Post by: halonachos


Well the T34 is going to be a premium tank so its going to get a huge boost when it comes to credits earned. It might be like the KV-5 I think. But American tanks are kind of meh in general, with the TDs being the best thing they have, Anyways I can't wait to see how everything works, oh and a knew system for "qualifications".

If you do better than 50% of players during the week you get a Class III Qualification, better than 25% is a Class II Qualification, better than 5% is a Class I Qualification, and top 1% is a Master Qualification.


World of Tanks @ 2012/03/30 21:17:30


Post by: halonachos


New update is out and so far it looks a lot better than before. New animations for rounds that hit the ground and of course the new skills are pretty cool.

Best of all I got a premium T34 and the M103. The M103's basic gun can do well against any tier 8 and it has a surprisingly good reload rate, but it should because it has two loaders.


World of Tanks @ 2012/04/02 04:08:43


Post by: Tazz Azrael


So anyone try the new U.S. tank destroyer line? I've been thinking of trying them out but I'm to close to my M10 Wolverine that I don't want to go a different route right now lol


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halonachos wrote:
If you do better than 50% of players during the week you get a Class III Qualification, better than 25% is a Class II Qualification, better than 5% is a Class I Qualification, and top 1% is a Master Qualification.


I got the Class I on my AMX40 apparently nobody either uses it or knows how to use it


World of Tanks @ 2012/04/09 18:10:28


Post by: necron overlord


I liked the new U.S.A TD but right now I am grinding to the T95. So far I got the T25 AT


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/25 06:13:24


Post by: Bromsy


Guh, premium tanks are starting to annoy me. Type 59s - I am a heavy, one tier down from them in my Kv-3, and it's just bounce bounce bounce.


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/25 07:25:52


Post by: Palindrome


Aim for the hull, the type 59 will bounce just about anything to the turret.

Premium tanks don't bother me at all to be honest, I really enjoy fighting the KV-5 as it is suprisingly easy to kill due to its massive weakspot (the MG turret has very weak armour).

I am finding that my KV-3 is much better now that it is a tier VII tank, the extra HP do wonders and it means that I can now tank a huge amount of damage from on tier and below tanks while I can (just about) tackle top tier. The new gun is rather pointless though. The KV-3 has actually overtaken my KV with the 152mm as my most played tank.

I tend to stop at tier V for most things, you still get the dymanics of most top tier vehicles and you don't really have to grind to get there.
A lot of tier V are also a lot of fun to drive; the M4, the Pz III/IV, T49 and KV-1 are all as good as anything you will find at the top of the tree.

Matchmaking is extremely annoying, it is probably the worst aspect of the game, but it has been like this at least since the beta and will it probably never change.



World of Tanks @ 2012/05/25 07:30:05


Post by: Bromsy


Yeah, I get sick of being in basically the same matches in my kv-3 as in my M5.


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/25 09:45:38


Post by: Palindrome


There is a reason why I don't play lighttanks above tier II


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/29 01:33:32


Post by: Tzeentchling9


Hey guys I just download this game and it's running super laggy, even at lowest settings. Is there anyway I could improve the performance or is my computer just incapable of running it?

As far as I can tell, my computer's stats are:

-Window7 Home Premium 64-bit
-AMD Athlon II X2 235e Dual-Core Processor
-NVIDIA GeForce6150SE Integrated
-750 GB HDD
-6GB DDR2 Memory


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/29 01:44:06


Post by: Blacksails


I take it its not your internet connection (good pings), but just general FPS.

I dunno, but I noticed after they put the clan logos on tanks that my FPS dropped. My computer somehow 'warmed up' to the game, and runs fine, but for a few days after the 7.3 patch, it was unplayable for me.

Give it a shot in a day or two and see if it magically runs better. Minimize background programs too.

Then again, I'm no computer-ologist, so I couldn't really help you short of recommending a better video card.


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/29 01:50:23


Post by: Tzeentchling9


Now the game crashes as it loads the Garage after logging in. Awesome.


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/29 08:21:23


Post by: illuknisaa


Tzeentchling9 wrote:Hey guys I just download this game and it's running super laggy, even at lowest settings. Is there anyway I could improve the performance or is my computer just incapable of running it?

As far as I can tell, my computer's stats are:

-Window7 Home Premium 64-bit
-AMD Athlon II X2 235e Dual-Core Processor 2.7ghz
-NVIDIA GeForce6150SE Integrated
-750 GB HDD
-6GB DDR2 Memory


Bad specs. Is your pc laptop or desktop? Your video card is just crappy so if you have desktop you might be able to get a cheap videocard for 50$.

Minimum system requirements:

Operating system: Windows XP/Vista/7
Processor (CPU): 2.2 GHz
Memory(RAM): 1.5 GB for Windows XP, 2 GB for Windows Vista / 7
Videocard: GeForce 6800GT with 256 MB of RAM / ATI X800 with 256 MB RAM, DirectX 9.0c ATI X800 can play cod4 maxed @ 800x600, no aa or af
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible
Free hard disk space: 3.5 GB
Internet connection speed: 128 Kbps


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/30 14:03:44


Post by: Drumstick


I found a preview of the British tanks that will be coming in the next following updates (before this there is a french update with added tanks and arty). Can't wait to get my hands on a churchill or Cromwell!

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/28/world-of-tanks-getting-new-tanks-the-british-are-coming/


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/30 14:54:57


Post by: Palindrome


The tech tree is here http://worldoftanks.eu/news/2559-british-tanks-are-coming/ It looks a little odd to be honest, why on earth is the Crusader a teir V?


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/30 21:11:13


Post by: Pacific


I wouldn't recommend trying to liken the tiers in the game, or the way they behave in the game, to any kind of historical efficacy.



World of Tanks @ 2012/05/30 22:01:55


Post by: Palindrome


Tier V contans the likes of PzIVs, T-34s and Shermans. the Crusader is simply not in the same league in terms of effectiveness. The Cromwell should be tier V.


World of Tanks @ 2012/05/31 01:46:12


Post by: halonachos


Tzeentchling9 wrote:Hey guys I just download this game and it's running super laggy, even at lowest settings. Is there anyway I could improve the performance or is my computer just incapable of running it?

As far as I can tell, my computer's stats are:

-Window7 Home Premium 64-bit
-AMD Athlon II X2 235e Dual-Core Processor
-NVIDIA GeForce6150SE Integrated
-750 GB HDD
-6GB DDR2 Memory


The integrated card is your problem.

The Crusader is a light tank, and it get thrown into tier 8 battles because it is a light tank. The purpose of high tier light tanks is to scout for the heavy hitters and then maybe destroy any artillery the opposing team has and they often lead into the medium lines. I wonder how the non-premium Churchills will perform compared to the premium Churchill.


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/01 01:34:30


Post by: halonachos


Public test of 7.4 has been released, it can be downloaded but to download it you should make another world of tanks folder to save over.

http://worldoftanks.com/news/1319-version-74-public-test/

Highlights for those who can't open the link:

-Assault and Encounter game modes added. Assault: One base with dedicated defenders and dedicated attackers. Attackers win by taking base or destroying all defenders and defenders win by taking out all attackers. Encounter: One base that can be captured by either team.

-Two new maps set in Europe and Africa.

-Added French Tank Destroyers and SPGs.



World of Tanks @ 2012/06/01 02:51:03


Post by: Tazz Azrael


Great now there are even more tanks that i am going to try and get.... T-54 your on the side bench... again


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/01 06:03:34


Post by: halonachos


Not really, so far the french TDs and SPGs don't seem like anything new. However they did manage to make Malinovka a somewhat interesting map in assault mode. The defenders start on the hill to the east of the map and attackers start in the west, really is a valid defensive point when you think about it.

Of the two new maps the European one is my favorite so far, more of a brawler type of city fight with a lot of walls and fences that can be plowed over. The African map is alright, but its like the coastal map they just added recently. Hills on one side, flat on the other.


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/04 18:35:03


Post by: necron overlord


I played a bit of the test server and the jagdtiger with the 8,8cm is weak. It only has about 210pen and 230 damage. That is really low for a teir 8 TD.


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/04 18:56:54


Post by: Palindrome


Its a premium tank, they are supposed to be weaker than earned vehicles. It also has a high RoF for a tier 8 gun and its very accurate.

Supposedly 7.4 buffs the KV-4, I certainly hope that this is true given how badly mine performs. I was even able to penetrate one (from the front) with my M18's 90mm gun earlier with 6 consequtive shots, i have never been able to do that to a tier 8 heavy before.

The KV-4 is possibly the worst tank that I have driven; its slow, it has suspiciously weak armour and virtually every penetrating hit causes critical damage. The worst thing about it though is that even though I have a premium account it actually costs me credits to play the damn thing.


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/05 01:17:05


Post by: Tazz Azrael


Just had the best match ever in my KV-5, 85 hits on me and i got steel wall.

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World of Tanks @ 2012/06/05 09:22:08


Post by: Palindrome


Some people obviously don't know about the massive weakspot on the front of the KV-5 then


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/08 01:34:07


Post by: Henners91


Tazz Azrael wrote:Just had the best match ever in my KV-5, 85 hits on me and i got steel wall.


It just gets unfortunate when you run along someone who knows the KV-5's many weakspots. I literally giggled with glee once I bore the dividends from information provided by a housemate:

That little turret on the right hand side of the KV-5's front? It's non-armoured... even a Leichttraktor can penetrate it

Nevertheless the KV-5's still pretty tough... had an embarassing game where a platoon of them managed to break through by concentrating on one side of the map and shrugging off fire. My Tiger I was hardly able to stop them and they didn't let up with their speed (best out of the Premium Heavies) which made hitting the aforementioned spot difficult... had to resort to de-tracking them but I could hardly keep them all pinned by my lonesome.

I bought a T34 Premium but I do rather wish I'd gone for a Lowe... but as I am grinding for a King Tiger, the two tanks would be too similar... T34's got some pretty nice firepower if it actually hits; a shame about the bum accuracy and slow reload.


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/08 07:01:34


Post by: KingKodo


Tzeentchling9 wrote:Hey guys I just download this game and it's running super laggy, even at lowest settings. Is there anyway I could improve the performance or is my computer just incapable of running it?

As far as I can tell, my computer's stats are:

-Window7 Home Premium 64-bit
-AMD Athlon II X2 235e Dual-Core Processor
-NVIDIA GeForce6150SE Integrated
-750 GB HDD
-6GB DDR2 Memory


Does that video card have dedicated memory? An integrated graphics card will not play most games well. That is most likely the problem.


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/08 08:05:41


Post by: Palindrome


I don't rate any of the tier 8 premiums, they aren't all that scary and they all have quite severe limitations, I can confortably solo any of them in my KV-3 and thats a tier lower. I also quesion the wisdom of spending about £35 on a digital tank.

I have been getting reaquainted with my KV-2 the last couple of days. Since the last patch I didn't really play it but I am now loving it again. Given how broken the matchmaking in WoT is the ability to reliably damage any tank in the game really makes the KV-2, I don't think that I have ever had a bounce with the 152 mm gun. I soloed a E-100 done to 3% health before he managed to kill me and I usually get at least 1 kill even if I the lowest tier in the match.


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/08 08:25:04


Post by: Pacific


Integrated graphics cards shouldn't be a problem, I run WoT on my laptop perfectly well (although it is quite a new one).

Some of the Russian tanks really do my head in. I decided to take the German TD and medium/heavy tank route, and I've now resigned myself to the annoying voice saying "it didn't go through". What used to annoy me was that the game developers were apparently priding themselves on making a game that prided itself on 'historical accuracy' - yet my '88, a gun that is generally regarded as being one of the most deadly in WW2 (in one instance recorded as going through both sides of a house and destroying a Sherman on the other side), bounces off the backs of tanks (that I have carefully manouevered around) like gentle summer rain. Then, I get used to the sight of that big 'ole turret slowly turning round and wrecking my tank in 1 shot
That the developers of the game are Russian, and one of them was apparently quoted as saying something about 'not buffing the tanks that killed my ancestors' doesn't make me hope for something more balanced, and TBH I can't be arsed to put all of the man hours into it again taking another tech tree from scratch.

I think the key is to recognise it as an 'arcade' experience (this is confirmed when you get to the higher tiers and see the high number of Fantasy tanks), and the entire purpose of the game is for you to get your ass handed to you so you shell out (ho ho ho!) for premium tanks, a premium account and gold shells.


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/08 08:59:55


Post by: Henners91


Palindrome wrote:I don't rate any of the tier 8 premiums, they aren't all that scary and they all have quite severe limitations, I can confortably solo any of them in my KV-3 and thats a tier lower. I also quesion the wisdom of spending about £35 on a digital tank.

I have been getting reaquainted with my KV-2 the last couple of days. Since the last patch I didn't really play it but I am now loving it again. Given how broken the matchmaking in WoT is the ability to reliably damage any tank in the game really makes the KV-2, I don't think that I have ever had a bounce with the 152 mm gun. I soloed a E-100 done to 3% health before he managed to kill me and I usually get at least 1 kill even if I the lowest tier in the match.


It cost me about £27 :( I didn't buy it for victories though, more like getting 40k credits for a good victory If I picked one again I'd deffo pick up a Lowe though; so many people just don't know how to play that tank... treat it like a Tiger and you'd do pretty well.

I've never liked KVs though; it's so painful to grind up for that 14k gun (Which used to be the last thing you'd get before the next tank); your armour is sub-par, your guns unreliable and inaccurate and your speed woeful. Give me a medium over that At least the KV-1 can mount a ZiS 57mm now, I have the odd fun game in that as a result.

Pacific wrote:Integrated graphics cards shouldn't be a problem, I run WoT on my laptop perfectly well (although it is quite a new one).

Some of the Russian tanks really do my head in. I decided to take the German TD and medium/heavy tank route, and I've now resigned myself to the annoying voice saying "it didn't go through". What used to annoy me was that the game developers were apparently priding themselves on making a game that prided itself on 'historical accuracy' - yet my '88, a gun that is generally regarded as being one of the most deadly in WW2 (in one instance recorded as going through both sides of a house and destroying a Sherman on the other side), bounces off the backs of tanks (that I have carefully manouevered around) like gentle summer rain. Then, I get used to the sight of that big 'ole turret slowly turning round and wrecking my tank in 1 shot
That the developers of the game are Russian, and one of them was apparently quoted as saying something about 'not buffing the tanks that killed my ancestors' doesn't make me hope for something more balanced, and TBH I can't be arsed to put all of the man hours into it again taking another tech tree from scratch.

I think the key is to recognise it as an 'arcade' experience (this is confirmed when you get to the higher tiers and see the high number of Fantasy tanks), and the entire purpose of the game is for you to get your ass handed to you so you shell out (ho ho ho!) for premium tanks, a premium account and gold shells.


Premium tanks don't really afford you better chances of victory... they just exist so that you can maintain other tanks. Running tier 7+ tanks in isolation can get a little bit silly, with breaking even often being your goal.

The long 88 in my Tiger I can infuriate me at times, but I've just learned where to aim over time... if you're doing poorly then ultimately you still help the team if you aim for the tracks ;P

The good thing about many German guns is the accuracy; if you can get a shot on a Cupola, or a view port, or a hatch (which at medium ranges you can often easily hit) you've pretty much got a guaranteed penetration. I think the only Russian line that I'd raaaaage about seriously are their early TDs though. Their tier III has something ridiculous like a tier 5 main gun if I recall correctly.


I put it out there that the M4 Sherman is the most fun tank to play :p


World of Tanks @ 2012/06/08 10:43:48


Post by: Palindrome


Henners91 wrote:
I've never liked KVs though; it's so painful to grind up for that 14k gun (Which used to be the last thing you'd get before the next tank); your armour is sub-par, your guns unreliable and inaccurate and your speed woeful. Give me a medium over that At least the KV-1 can mount a ZiS 57mm now, I have the odd fun game in that as a result.


My KV-2 with the 152mm M-10 has a sniper medal
The KV-2 is an excellent training tank, as your reload time is so huge every shot literally counts; this means that you need to make the best use of cover, aim carefully, know what is going on around you and how to make effective pop up attacks. Once you know how to play to its strengths though it is lethal. I suspect a lot of people treat it as a heavy tank while it is actually a short range tank destroyer. I make an average of 25-30k per game with it as its repairs are cheap so its a really good farming tank.

I like the KV line to be honest; the KV-1 is probably the best tier V heavy, the 57mm gun with a 100% crew and a rammer is borderline OP (I get accused of hacking on a regular basis), the KV-2 is my favourite tank and the KV-3 can hold its own against anything that isn't a tier X. The KV-4 is where it all falls down though and mine has been retired until 7.4 is live.

I don't have much experience with the other heavy lines, I did have a Tiger in the beta but I absolutely hated it.

There is a lot of talk about Russian bias on the WoT forums but it isn't bourne out by the win % stats. The '88 is a tier VII gun and its is fine for its tier, it will bounce on higher tier tanks and strong spots on a KV-3 (dont aim for the front of the turret) but then so does my Soviet 107mm.

The Marder has a better gun than the SU-76; not to mention a huge view range and gun traverse, it even has better armour. They are both tier III though