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Post by: Redemption
Forgeworld added the new Tartartos pattern Terminator armour to their site:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/TARTAROS_PATTERN_TERMINATOR_ARMOUR.html
Matches the Condemptor Dreadnoughts pretty well.
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Post by: Flachzange
I think they look alright. Not all that special. Sword and heavy flamer are pretty cool though
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Post by: Kaime
Mini contemptor dreads
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well that's... not what people would have expected from Pre-Heresy Terminators.
I honestly don't like them. They just look like up-armoured Marines, not like proto-Terminators.
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Post by: ph34r
Very much an anti-fan here. They look worse than normal terminators in my opinion. Not surprising that they gave them a "relatively" low price point, I doubt they would sell at "premium" pricing. Too many of their design features scream "just cause". Power cutlass? just 'cause Thigh armor hangs up instead of down for no reason? Just 'cause Leg armor looks like two cylinders stuck together with blobby feet that have less detail than the plastic kit? Just 'cause Tiny ass weird shoulder pads? Just 'cause Giant silly storm bolters that look like billy age 12's first conversion where he slams two bolters together to make a storm bolter, or puts his rhino's pintle SB on a terminator to look "cool". I can't even give this a "just 'cause" because it looks awful. Weird back power plant thing? Wtf is going on here? Why would you design this that way? They took terminator armor, looked at the back and said "this looks too normal. what if we jammed a whole fething mk4 backpack in there so it sticks out with a bunch of cables and crap" Mk4 helmets in terminator armor? Cool. Collared terminator armor? Cool. Both at the same time? fething slowed. Those helmets cannot turn in there. The "proportion fail" is HORRIBLY obvious with these models. The kit includes the "never include" option of heavy flamer, so in reality this kit contains 4 full terminators. The torso connection is flat and contains a million cables which means it's hard to lift to relieve the "awful proportions" problem, and oh, you can't make your terminators posed in any direction other than "hurr durr straight ahead arms wide to the side" The torsos look cool. The crotch armor looks cool. The greaves look cool aside from the upper legs and feet. The PFs look cool and the shoulder pads were so close to looking cool. I give this kit a 6.5/10
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
They're fairly small. I'd expect them to be even bulkier than the modern terminators.
I'm fairly ambivalent about them tbh.
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Post by: Puscifer
I really do not like them.
They just do not have the bulk that a Terminator should have.
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Post by: Flachzange
H.B.M.C. wrote:Well that's... not what people would have expected from Pre-Heresy Terminators.
I honestly don't like them. They just look like up-armoured Marines, not like proto-Terminators.
I dont think that these will be/ are suppose to be the pre-heresy Terminators.
FW does a rather good job sticking to existing artwork when it comes to pre-heresy stuff.
Looking back at some of the art though ... the pre-heresy dread labelled pics to show the contemptor though, so maybe you are in fact right.
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Post by: porkuslime
H.B.M.C., I don't see them as "pre heresy".. the FW blurb says the "most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnaught Armor".
Is TDA a pre-heresy thing, or is that simply the formal name of Terminator Armor?
Edit: ninjad by a lot, whups..
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Post by: Ouze
Not feeling them, but I like the storm bolters (I suppose twin-linked bolter is more accurate) a lot.
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Post by: TH3FALL3N
I really like that TDA. Still not as nice as Kabalite armour
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Post by: ph34r
porkuslime wrote:H.B.M.C., I don't see them as "pre heresy".. the FW blurb says the "most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnaught Armor".
Is TDA a pre-heresy thing, or is that simply the formal name of Terminator Armor?
Edit: ninjad by a lot, whups..
It's just the formal name, nothing new.
I don't think these are supposed to be pre-heresy either, but that doesn't stop them from looking bad for whatever they're supposed to be.
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Post by: endtransmission
TDA is the full name for Terminator armour. From the description these are one of the pre-heresy TDA types... so potentially there are more coming
I kinda like them... kinda. The legs look a bit weird, but I do like the torsos and heads
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Post by: Zweischneid
porkuslime wrote:H.B.M.C., I don't see them as "pre heresy".. the FW blurb says the "most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnaught Armor".
Is TDA a pre-heresy thing, or is that simply the formal name of Terminator Armor?
Edit: ninjad by a lot, whups..
TDA is the "formal" name. And pre-heresy would always be "the most advanced stuff", since it came from "before" Imperial Technology started to regress, the era of Imperial Jet-Bikes and whatnot...
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Post by: Ouze
Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection.
Can these sweeping advance?
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Post by: ph34r
Yep, but your 3+ save on 2d6 gets downgraded to a 4+.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Contemptornators! I quite like them! While they do not match my idea of the big, cumbersome termie of now, they seem a little more realistic compared to today's. Those complaining about proportions, compared to what?! They are at least the same if not better proportioned than the plastics.
Darn you FW, another thing to add to the ever-growing basket of stuff!
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Post by: ph34r
Commander Cain wrote:Contemptornators! I quite like them! While they do not match my idea of the big, cumbersome termie of now, they seem a little more realistic compared to today's. Those complaining about proportions, compared to what?! They are at least the same if not better proportioned than the plastics.
Darn you FW, another thing to add to the ever-growing basket of stuff!
The thing is that with the normal terminators, they are so far from form fitting or normal marine armor that it's harder to recognize how bad the proportions are.
With these, the similarities to marine armor are stronger, and it's way easier to notice how goofily small his torso must be to fit between those giant tubes of thighs and his standard SM helmet.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Forgeworld
Tactical Dreadnought Armour, or Terminator Armour as it is more usually known, is the most resilient form of personal protection available to the Adeptus Astartes. Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently.
Of these, the Indomitus pattern is perhaps the most widespread, due to its template being held on key Forge Worlds such as Mars, although Tartaros Pattern Terminator armour is also issued to the Veterans of a Chapter’s 1st Company. Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection.
The Tartaros Pattern Terminators set, models designed by Will Hayes, is a full resin kit that comprises five Terminators, armed with power fists, a power sword, storm bolters, a heavy flamer and enough optional attachments to arm four Space Marines with chainfists.
Please note that these models are not compatible with our range of Terminator Shoulder Pads.
This detailed squad will be available to purchase in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, and is also available to pre-order now for despatch from 10th April.
So yes, this kit is not pre-heresy, simply a more agile variant of the normal TDA. I have to say, the models seem to match this description perfectly!
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Post by: Slinky
I like 'em, but then I'm a massive fan of Mk IV armour.
If they come out with a CC variant, my Salamanders army will gain a squad
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Post by: Bacms
Really don't like them. But I can see a conversion using their torsos and legs and arms from the plastic terminators potentially looking sweet.
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Post by: ironhandstraken
I like this is pretty cool if i got any i would make them a bit taller with placticard.
- ironhandstraken
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Post by: Commander Cain
ph34r wrote:Commander Cain wrote:Contemptornators! I quite like them! While they do not match my idea of the big, cumbersome termie of now, they seem a little more realistic compared to today's. Those complaining about proportions, compared to what?! They are at least the same if not better proportioned than the plastics.
Darn you FW, another thing to add to the ever-growing basket of stuff!
The thing is that with the normal terminators, they are so far from form fitting or normal marine armor that it's harder to recognize how bad the proportions are.
With these, the similarities to marine armor are stronger, and it's way easier to notice how goofily small his torso must be to fit between those giant tubes of thighs and his standard SM helmet.
Oh I never said that they were well proportioned! Simply not as bad as I had expected they would be
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Post by: endtransmission
Commander Cain wrote:Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade,
So yes, this kit is not pre-heresy, simply a more agile variant of the normal TDA. I have to say, the models seem to match this description perfectly!
Think you'll find that the Great Crusade was *before* the Horus Heresy... which makes it one of the Pre-Heresy TDA variants
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Post by: Commander Cain
endtransmission wrote:Commander Cain wrote:Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade,
So yes, this kit is not pre-heresy, simply a more agile variant of the normal TDA. I have to say, the models seem to match this description perfectly!
Think you'll find that the Great Crusade was *before* the Horus Heresy... which makes it one of the Pre-Heresy TDA variants 
I was under the impression that it was talking about TDA in general with the first paragraph...
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Post by: English Assassin
At first glance, I quite like them. They'll make a decent Terminator command squad.
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Post by: praetor24
Just called in FW's customer's support asking if there are any more Termies coming soon (for the Open Day and the Salute events). They told me that there won't be any (apart the Tartaros' ones), BUT we should be expecting more Marines releases for the Salute.
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Post by: Commander Cain
praetor24 wrote:Just called in FW's customer's support asking if there are any more Termies coming soon (for the Open Day and the Salute events). They told me that there won't be any (apart the Tartaros' ones), BUT we should be expecting more Marines releases for the Salute.
Nice one! Was hoping for some of the older termie variants but hopefully the other releases can sate my appetite!
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Post by: endtransmission
Commander Cain wrote:I was under the impression that it was talking about TDA in general with the first paragraph...
True, it could be. I guess we'll never know for sure unless it gets included in a future book
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Post by: kronk
I think they rock! But then, I really like the Contemptor Dreadnought and these remind me of them.
I'll have a unit of 10, I think.
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Post by: Flachzange
praetor24 wrote:Just called in FW's customer's support asking if there are any more Termies coming soon (for the Open Day and the Salute events). They told me that there won't be any (apart the Tartaros' ones), BUT we should be expecting more Marines releases for the Salute.
More Marine stuff by FW? Shocker!
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Post by: Sidstyler
I dunno, I think they're okay. Not amazing or anything, though.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Not a fan, but at least the armpits are lower than the chin on these.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
I like these, and am considering buying a squad, except I already own 5 regular Terminators plus a full Space Hulk set, so I really cannot justify the expense.
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Post by: Ukla
Cant see FW at work
Can someone post a pic of them?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
ph34r wrote:Giant silly storm bolters that look like billy age 12's first conversion where he slams two bolters together to make a storm bolter, or puts his rhino's pintle SB on a terminator to look "cool". I can't even give this a "just 'cause" because it looks awful. That's because the probably are two bolters smushed together ie. a Combi-Bolter ie. what Terminators had before the Storm Bolter was developed. These are late Great Crusade designs, so Combi-Bolters makes perfect sense. And they're not planning another pattern of Termy armour? Then what does this bit mean: Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection. Unless that's what they're calling regular Termy armour.
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Post by: zedmeister
The general style and look is good. High tech feel and smooth lines, but their stance still bothers me. The legs are still too far apart. Still better than the godawful current plastic terminators though - their legs are splayed so far apart that I reckon they'd dislocate their hips while going for a stroll. Edit, Nah. I'm out. The more I look at them the more I don't want them. I really do want to like them. Cotemptor look - good. Weapons - good. Just the stance. God the stance. They look far to posed, like they are doing star-jumps or similar. One even looks he's going dancing. Come on FW. I've always liked what you've done in terms of poses and keeping things to roughly the same scale. Keeping human proportions and movement all relative. But with these, I'd have to suspend a lot of disbelief! Wonder if we can get a look at the components? Maybe if they are quite modular in assembling, you can assemble them in a bit more of a anatomically correct (and comfortable) pose.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Since they mention the Indomitus is the most common pattern, I can only imagine it refers to the GW standard.
I wonder why GW and FW designers seem to be dead set on making Marines stand in ridculous splayed poses. Must be some kind of design bible they must all adhere to.
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Post by: Temujin
I love them. Probably also due to the link with mark 4 power armour.
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Post by: Orlanth
Each to their own. I like them, but would prefer to consider them a refinement of terminator armour and not a prototype.
Space marine armour is one of the few things where later designs look more advanced than earlier. I would like to think of these suits as very new rather than very old.
We already had prototype terminator armour released before and IIRC it looked very crude.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Orlanth wrote:Each to their own. I like them, but would prefer to consider them a refinement of terminator armour and not a prototype.
Now you've got me thinking about how cool it'd be if FW made the Mk.XIII Power Armour from the Dornian Heresy booklet.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Uhhhhhh.... Wtf......
Just when I was on a very long FW can do no wrong stint... These are pretty horrid IMHO... I love contemptors, but I find the nearly perfect match scaled down chest odd and lazy on a non- dread... Arms are sticking out of his ribs, the dont seem to have changed the torso height too so it went from head in chest termie look to this lol. Legs relatively ok with, but just look like slightly bulked pa. I am ok with the combi bolter/storm bolter look, just think it is a bit mis- scaled...
My worst gripes though are the back and the shoulder pads. The pads are in fact smaller looking than regular PA! This reall makes them awkward to the marine aesthetic IMO... And that backpack is so poorly executed and integrated it looks like he is trying to shoplift a mkiv pack out under his shirt....
Very underwhelming or me... Although I should be thankful, it's the fist time in a while I will be able to resist the siren call of fw!
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Post by: darknightwing
I like them. It makes the contemptor fit better to the overall look. FW makes it hard not to do a pre heresy army. Must resist...
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Post by: Eiríkr
I... actually quite like these. Not sure if I would run with several Termies of this pattern but a few scattered in and out would look great.
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Post by: ph34r
H.B.M.C. wrote:ph34r wrote:Giant silly storm bolters that look like billy age 12's first conversion where he slams two bolters together to make a storm bolter, or puts his rhino's pintle SB on a terminator to look "cool". I can't even give this a "just 'cause" because it looks awful.
That's because the probably are two bolters smushed together ie. a Combi-Bolter ie. what Terminators had before the Storm Bolter was developed.
These are late Great Crusade designs, so Combi-Bolters makes perfect sense.
Combi bolters make sense. Obviously.
Taking two bolters and sticking them together was not a successful way to accomplish this.
Look at the HH art book combi bolters. Pretty cool right? Every depiction has their combi-bolters as a more crude "double bolter" design, yet similar in size to a storm bolter. Why? Because two full on bolters strapped together looks stupid as hell. Their limp wristed shoulder pads don't help the matter.
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Post by: Rayvon
Not a fan here either, first FW model for ages that i really do not like.
£36 seems a bit much for five termies that have less detail than the standard ones to me, i think i will stick to the plastics.
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Post by: deejaybainbridge
In two minds about these.
The upper half look good and the storm bolters look ace!
The legs however, they look terrible.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
I think FW is struggling a bit at the moment. The preheresy Marine stuff is technically adequate, but is really adding little that is really new and adventurous. They are playing it safe, if that makes any sense.
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
This is just as bad as trying to make a Star Wars pre-quel.
For those who may not have started with this company, they are re-releasing the stuff we used to play with, except 5x the price.
This fascination with pre-heresy stuff has worked for GW I guess. I'm not a fan of these bubble terminators or the bubble dreadnought either.
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Post by: kenshin620
Mini contemptors?
I'll wait till they make other terminator marks
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Post by: Ouze
Point of clarification: Terminator Armor always has been called, properly but rarely, called "Tactical Dreadnought armor". This is not new or different.
I don't like contemptors too much, so I guess that's why I don't like these either.
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Post by: kenshin620
Ouze wrote:Point of clarification: Terminator Armor always has been called, properly but rarely, called "Tactical Dreadnought armor". This is not new or different.
That may be true but I think FW took that to the logical extreme
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Post by: Goresaw
The biggest thing that kills it for me is the utter and total disregard for how anyone but a headless gorilla would fit inside that armor.
At least with the normal terminators you could maybe imagine someone standing hunched over in the suit taking advantage of the forward put face. With these things there's utterly no way with the head being placed in the 'center' of the suit.
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Post by: kronk
Forge World Newsletter #300
Hi there,
With the Forge World Open Day only a few days away, we can now reveal details of a brand new Space Marine release that will be available to buy at the event; the Tartaros Pattern Terminator Squad. This detailed, multi-part resin kit is available to pre-order now and will be on sale in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April – and that’s no joke!
Tartaros Pattern Terminator Squad
Tartaros Pattern Terminators: Tactical Dreadnought Armour, or Terminator Armour as it is more usually known, is the most resilient form of personal protection available to the Adeptus Astartes. Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently.
Of these, the Indomitus pattern is perhaps the most widespread, due to its template being held on key Forge Worlds such as Mars, although Tartaros Pattern Terminator armour is also issued to the Veterans of a Chapter’s 1st Company.
Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection.
The Tartaros Pattern Terminators set, designed by Will Hayes, is a full resin kit that comprises five Terminators, armed with power fists, a power sword, storm bolters, a heavy flamer and enough optional attachments to arm four Space Marines with chainfists. This detailed squad will be available to purchase in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, and is also available to pre-order now for despatch from 10th April.
Forge World Events News:
Forge World Open Day, 1st April, Warhammer World, Nottingham
As you can’t fail to have noticed, this coming Sunday is the annual Forge World Open Day and we’re making our final preparations. There’s still time to place a reservation order, so if you want to make sure that we have the exact models you’re after packed and waiting for you, please call the Customer Service team on 0115 900 4995.
We’ve got several exciting newsletters lined up for the countdown to the Open Day, so stay tuned to your e-mail for more details
AdeptiCon 2012, 19th to 22nd April, Westin Lombard Yorktown Center, Chicago
Forge World will again be attending AdeptiCon this year, and we are still accepting reservation orders for this popular event. While we will be bringing a huge selection of our range of books, resin kits and modelling products, placing a reservation order is the best way to ensure that we have exactly what you want packed up and waiting for you at the show.
You can either telephone us on 011 44 115 900 4995, or send an e-mail entitled ‘AdeptiCon 2012 Reservation’ to forgeworldreservations@games-workshop.co.uk. We will need your name, a list of the items that you wish to order, and a contact e-mail address for yourself by Monday 2nd April.
In the week prior to the event, we will send you a confirmation e-mail containing your order number, details of any items that are unavailable, and a total cost in US$ (less local sales tax) that will be payable at the event.
Salute 2012, 21st April, ExCel, London
While some of our intrepid staff are across the pond in the Windy City, others of Forge World will be journeying to London’s ExCel centre for Salute 2012. We’ll be bringing a wide selection of our range of books, resin kits and modelling supplies, but due to the limited space that we have available at this event we recommend you places a reservation order to ensure we have exactly what you want, packed and waiting for you.
As with all our UK shows, Salute reservation orders are pre-paid to make the collection process quicker and easier, leaving you with more time to enjoy the rest of the event.
Please telephone the Customer Service team on 0115 900 4995 to place a reservation order. We will require your name, contact telephone number and e-mail address along with the list of products you wish to reserve, and you will need your card details to hand. We’ll need to receive your Salute reservation by Tuesday 17th April, and we’ll process the payment while you are on the phone. In the week before the event you’ll receive a confirmation e-mail containing your order number. This is your proof of payment, and you must bring this e-mail with you to claim your order.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World
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Post by: Bear LaMorte
.... meh.
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Post by: Gitsplitta
I like them. Then again, I'll have less of an issue with their size as my army is made up of the original beakie marines... which are much smaller than any of the current models. I bet these guys are on-par with the original metal terminators... which are considerably smaller than the current plastic ones. The facing up thigh plates are just stupid (as armor goes), but that can easily be remedied and turned into something more intelligent.
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Post by: Redemption
Gitsplitta wrote:I like them. Then again, I'll have less of an issue with their size as my army is made up of the original beakie marines... which are much smaller than any of the current models. I bet these guys are on-par with the original metal terminators... which are considerably smaller than the current plastic ones.
Check the comparison picture in the first post, these Terminators are about the same size as the plastic ones.
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Post by: Breotan
I was going to say "pre-heresy" but they have the aquilla on them which was added to SM armor after the dust settled and most of chaos was driven into the Eye. Still, that stormbolter is definately "retro" enough to be called pre-heresy.
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Post by: PapaPiggy
Any one else think forge world is kinda dropping the ball on their new models? I didn't much care for their new dread, Or these models. Maybe its just a personal opinion.
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Post by: oni
Not a fan. I could see it as some form of specialized armor variant, but not terminator armor.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Breotan wrote:I was going to say "pre-heresy" but they have the aquilla on them which was added to SM armor after the dust settled and most of chaos was driven into the Eye. Still, that stormbolter is definately "retro" enough to be called pre-heresy.
You don't allow for the possibility that the Aquila was added later?
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Post by: kronk
PapaPiggy wrote:Any one else think forge world is kinda dropping the ball on their new models? I didn't much care for their new dread, Or these models. Maybe its just a personal opinion.
It's probably just personal opinion. I like the Contemptor Dreadnought and these. I hate the look of the Stormraven and the Dreadknight, but a lot of people seem to like them. I would buy the Stormraven if my Black Templars get it, though.
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Post by: nerdfest09
Right, I really don't know what to think on these new Termies, on one hand i really want to like them as they're new and different than what we have, and we all love something new in this hobby right? and good on them for giving them a mk4 reference, but they just don't scream buy me! I actually prefer the standard termies, they appear meaner and more armoured than these guys, the new ones have next to no details and actually look a bit boring not to mention the legs look like they haven't been finished yet, I do like the idea of different helmets and the high collar but overall I'm not going to buy anything that price that looks so ordinary considering the scope and workmanship FW have in the majority of their mini's which i love.
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Post by: Sarge
I'd have liked them to include an assault cannon with the kit.
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Post by: Beer_&_Bolters
lol mini contemptors
Cant say i care for these at all.
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Post by: Mattlov
Not impressed. They just look like fat Marines, not Marines in advanced armor.
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Post by: gorgon
I dunno...if you squint a bit, you can see some similarities with the old mk.1 miniature. Kind of...
An updated version of Mk.1 power armor is what I really want to see from FW.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Maybe that's what they're trying. Maybe this is the 'modern' version of that type of Terminator armour.
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Post by: Chowderhead
I'll be buying a few (5-10) to put into a themed 500 pt list.
The only reason is that they look like little Contemptor Dreads. Other than that, they're Ok borderline Eww.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Uriels_Flame wrote:This is just as bad as trying to make a Star Wars pre-quel.
For those who may not have started with this company, they are re-releasing the stuff we used to play with, except 5x the price.
This fascination with pre-heresy stuff has worked for GW I guess. I'm not a fan of these bubble terminators or the bubble dreadnought either.
What old models do these look like at all? Also, old designs with modern aesthetics and competent sculpting isn't exactly the same as the old models. If you put a modern Forgeworld Marine next to the 80s GW lead sculpt, you'll laugh your ass off at how goofy and mutated the old one looks like.
PapaPiggy wrote:Any one else think forge world is kinda dropping the ball on their new models? I didn't much care for their new dread, Or these models. Maybe its just a personal opinion.
Not really, no. The Contemptor has been received very well. My only big qualm with this kit is that it comes with a heavy flamer instead of a more useful heavy weapon, like an assault cannon. I like it, but don't love it.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe that's what they're trying. Maybe this is the 'modern' version of that type of Terminator armour.
I hope not. I'd hate to have to think so poorly of their abilities.
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Post by: Vain
I'm a fan of them. Never like the "bulldog" helmets or the high shoulders of the standard ones and think these are definitely better. But then I like the Contemptor so it could just be that bias coming in.
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Post by: Deathmachine
They look like they have sticks shoved way up there power armor. i like the armor but the pose is stupid.seriously walking space men with stick up there you know what.
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Post by: Yourio
I really like the look of them, it looks a bit as if they tried to recreate terminator armour from scratch (lorewise).
I noticed if you look at the recently released Asterion Moloc model you can see he also wears a personalized version of the Tartaros Pattern.
Which isn't a big surprise when looking at the name of the new pattern and the look of Asterion's armour.
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Post by: Scottywan82
I... want to like these. But I hate pretty much everything about them.
Well, the helmets are cool. And the twin bolter's neat.
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
I think that these look pretty awesome! But I'll stick to converting GKs for my pre-heresy armour post-heresy Word Bearers.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Kaime wrote:Mini contemptor dreads 
Thats exactly what I thought, and I love them. Between these, the new Minotaurs dudes, and the Decimator FW is gonna destroy my bank account.
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
several types and patterns were developed concurrently
There you are, then - the Tartaros pattern was developed at the same time as the Indomitus.
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Post by: Manchu
Seems like these are just truescale marines. I give it a pass.
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Post by: Grarg
I like them and they are priced the same as regular termies.
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Post by: endtransmission
Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:I think that these look pretty awesome! But I'll stick to converting GKs for my pre-heresy armour post-heresy Word Bearers.
Funnily enough I was thinking they would make for some awesome Grey Knights
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Post by: Mad4Minis
kronk wrote:PapaPiggy wrote:Any one else think forge world is kinda dropping the ball on their new models? I didn't much care for their new dread, Or these models. Maybe its just a personal opinion.
It's probably just personal opinion. I like the Contemptor Dreadnought and these. I hate the look of the Stormraven and the Dreadknight, but a lot of people seem to like them. I would buy the Stormraven if my Black Templars get it, though. 
I completely agree. Love these and the Contemptor, hate the Storm Raven and Dreadknight.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I don't mind them if I was going to use them as some sort of Artificer Power Armor, but not Terminators.
They are far too sleek to fit with the mythos, and plus, their faulty anatomy is even more pronounced. Evidently when you get promoted enough to wear TDA, they cut your arms off and you run the suit by mind-impulse. Because especially with these models, there is no way their arms can fir into the arms of the suit.
There used to be a theory that the normal TDA armor is run off min-impulses, with the marine's arms crossed in front of his chest underneath the armor. These models could never do that.
 Of course, if you are running a pre-Heresy army, you could always use these new Terminators as a robot maniple (squad)............
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Post by: muwhe
I like them as well as a variant but I did not have any pre-conceived notions as to what I wanted to see... either.
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Post by: Platuan4th
I like 'em and look forward to adding a squad(or 2 if they release a melee squad) to my Deathwing army.
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Post by: sharkticon
I really like the look of these, just like I liked the contemptor dreads. Seeing as these only cost a couple of bucks more than a GW terminator squad, I'll most likely start a Deathwing army if they release a melee squad.
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Post by: Zarren Wevon
I like the way the heads/cowls look but the rest of the model is straight up boring as many others have said, regular terms look better.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
I like them better than the Kubuki mask-looking, standard ones.
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Post by: Medium of Death
Really don't like these. Totally prefer GW's terminators. Thumbs down.
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Post by: aka_mythos
H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe that's what they're trying. Maybe this is the 'modern' version of that type of Terminator armour.
I think its a bit of an amalgamation of the the three proto-terminator miniatures. It kinda has that torso, with sorta the shoulder pads of this guy:
and the helmet and rear side detail of the third one:
The legs arguably generic but also arguably similar in different ways to all three as well.
I think they're alright. Me I sculpted my own version of the that Mk1 terminator to use with the modern legs. So I have my own pre-heresy terminators already.
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Post by: Shinglepants
I dont like em. I think they look better porportioned than regular termies but they just scream Mini Contemptor. I dont really like the Contemptor.
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Post by: DPBellathrom
TAKE MY MONEY FORGE WORLD, TAKE IT!!!!! >:3
damn those things look cute ^_^
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Post by: whitedragon
The only thing out of place with these are the shoulder pads, (which match the style of shoulder pad the new Minotaur character has as well.)
They would look great with regular terminator shoulder pads, or even the "pre heresy style" ones that some of the 3rd party companies are making.
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Post by: The_Stormrider
I actually kind of like the mini-contemptor look of these models. I'll keep up hope they'll make a couple other variants including the bulkier terminators from the heresy era I always imagined. I'm probably not going to pick them up unless they give us some weapon packs with th/ss, lc, assault cannons, cyclone missles etc.
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Post by: Platuan4th
whitedragon wrote:They would look great with regular terminator shoulder pads, or even the "pre heresy style" ones that some of the 3rd party companies are making.
"Please note that these models are not compatible with our range of Terminator Shoulder Pads."
Unfortunately, you'd probably need to custom make those.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Looks like crap. The only thing I actually like is the way the exhausts look. Poses are boring, the heads are boring, legs are boring.
And those shoulder pads....
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Post by: SalamanderMarine
They remind me of grey knights, cool... but not great.
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Post by: Obsidian Raven
I personally hate these.
I love the RT era inspired models forgeworld makes. I love a lot of stuff about forgeworld.
I REALLY want to like these. I really really do. But they don't feel like 40k models to me. My first thought on seeing these was they are made an outsider who doesn't know 40k very well. I don't like them in the slightest.
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Post by: Bikeninja
I wonder how compatible they are with the current terminator arms. Could be some cool conversions from this stuff.
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Post by: Bonde
I really like the weapons, helmet, arms and torso, also on the back, but I have to admit that the shoulderguards look out of place and the proportions could be better.
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Post by: Foda_Bett
The more I look at these the more I don't like them.
Lets start with actual flaws before I get to my opinions.
The eye ridge (where a human's eyebrows would be) isn't centered. Thus giving the models the impression of smirking.
The fact that no living human could wear those suits due to the fact that your shoulders would have to come out of your ears. Terminators have always been bad at this but these kits take it to a T.
The eagle is REALLY badly sculpted. Every one of them the chest eagle is off center and very "globby" sculpted. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a greenstuff casting of another one.
The left and right shoulderpads are sculpted different. Notice the gap between the "Ball" and the shoulderplate is different on each side.
You only get 4 bolters. Yeah you're FORCED to use the Heavy Flamer they give you because you're not given another bolter arm. This means should I choose to field, oh I don't know, say cyclone missile launchers or just bolters... I'm buying 3 sets.
Opinions:
Poses. Why is one dancing? Why are others holding their arms at 45 degree angles? Did these guys to to the same school of thought that crazy stupid over the top poses are the only way to work (I'm looking at you new vampire ghoul things).
Backpack on a terminator?! REALLY? Nothing screams defensive armor like "Unplug this thing right here and I'll be useless."
Thigh plates. Why is it a separate piece? That implies movement. No human being can turn himself 90 degrees to the left or right, it just simply isn't done.
I really really REALLY want to like these but every time I go back to them I just find more and more problems. Are they fixable? Everything but the proportions probably, but its not really worth it for the amount of money forgeworld charges. I can only assume that some character will come out later wearing this armor that will look amazing and maybe I can get a few of him. Or maybe they'll resculpt then wehn the CC and other weapon options come out. But until that time consider this to be the only forgeworld marine release I simply do not like. To me they look to much like some companies attempt at "Genetically Engineered Future Space Knightly Soldiers"
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Hmm, legs look like 1970's cybermen walking, and thats not fancy walking.
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Post by: IdentifyZero
I don't get all the complaints. This is the first release that has given me pause or note to even come to Dakka and post in the past like 4-5 months!
These are not the pre-heresy terminators we all wanted, but let's face it, they are pretty cool and you can swap out the Mk IV helmets for crusader style helmets etc.. to make some very cool conversions.
We know based on precedent , FW is going to release multiple options and weapon packs for these guys. Also, you could convert normal terminator weapons to work, so no sense in whining about only a Heavy Flamer.
If any recent release would get me to spend money on FW/GW, it would be these bad boys. I can confirm however after a long conversation with a friend up in Nottingham that at present, there are NO plans in the near future to do any more variants of terminator armor.
If you want pre-heresy armor, it might be next year.
Cheers,
Will
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Post by: Alpharius
I really wanted to like these...
We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.
I was hoping for something closer to this though:
Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.
I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!
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Post by: IdentifyZero
Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...
We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.
I was hoping for something closer to this though:
Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.
I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!
I agree, those would have been much cooler. Next year.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...
We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.
I was hoping for something closer to this though:
Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.
I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!
While not a fan of that style of Terminator armor, I'd kill for some over-under storm bolters.
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Post by: Eisenhorn
Then Forgeworld can have my money next year,this year it still goes to Max-Mini
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Post by: IdentifyZero
Eisenhorn wrote:Then Forgeworld can have my money next year,this year it still goes to Max-Mini
What does max-mini have to compare to FW? o.O
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Post by: Agamemnon2
I think it's interesting. These could well be the most if-not-reviled-then-at-least-deeply-disappointed-in FW releases of all time. Variant Terminators should have been an easy slam dunk for sculptors who have already done a dozen kits of Space Marine variants.
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Post by: Alpharius
Agreed!
A rare swing and miss/misjudge from FW...
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Post by: Breotan
I guess FW wanted to get away from the "legs with rebar" look and they did that well enough. I think I dislike the shoulders most because they deviate so much from the current norm. Still, I might get some to do as Sergants or such.
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Post by: IdentifyZero
The hate and dislike has nothing to do with the models. It has to do with you all expecting a different release in terms of terminators. For most people anyways.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Agamemnon2 wrote:I think it's interesting. These could well be the most if-not-reviled-then-at-least-deeply-disappointed-in FW releases of all time. Variant Terminators should have been an easy slam dunk for sculptors who have already done a dozen kits of Space Marine variants.
You're right in a sense, I think.
The problem isn't that "Oh it's variant Terminators--yawn!".
The problem is that the revilement/disappointment is stemming from "It's variant Terminators--but they don't look like the artwork that I wanted them to look like!".
For the record?
I don't like them myself; but that's more because I don't really like the Maximus helmet to begin with and the idea of a Terminator with an exposed powerplant is silly.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Foda_Bett wrote:
I can only assume that some character will come out later wearing this armor that will look amazing and maybe I can get a few of him.
Well, the new minotaurs character is wearing this suit. Only problem is that it would cost 150 quid to make a 5-man squad of him!
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Post by: Kirasu
Pretty bland over all
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Post by: zedmeister
Kanluwen wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:I think it's interesting. These could well be the most if-not-reviled-then-at-least-deeply-disappointed-in FW releases of all time. Variant Terminators should have been an easy slam dunk for sculptors who have already done a dozen kits of Space Marine variants.
You're right in a sense, I think.
The problem isn't that "Oh it's variant Terminators--yawn!".
The problem is that the revilement/disappointment is stemming from "It's variant Terminators--but they don't look like the artwork that I wanted them to look like!".
For the record?
I don't like them myself; but that's more because I don't really like the Maximus helmet to begin with and the idea of a Terminator with an exposed powerplant is silly.
Not forgetting those of us who dislike the stance and posing of them. I mean look at this one. He's practically dancing - anyone fancy a jig?
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Post by: Scottywan82
IdentifyZero wrote:The hate and dislike has nothing to do with the models. It has to do with you all expecting a different release in terms of terminators. For most people anyways. 
Uh... No it doesn't. It has to do with the ugly miniatures.
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
whitedragon wrote:The only thing out of place with these are the shoulder pads, (which match the style of shoulder pad the new Minotaur character has as well.)
They would look great with regular terminator shoulder pads, or even the "pre heresy style" ones that some of the 3rd party companies are making.
That is what I was going to say, get some max mini shoulder pads and mix and match and these have potential. They also look like they might be a nice base for true scale marines if the head is not attached.
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Post by: SickSix
I cant believe anyone was surprised by the 'mini-contemptor' look. Wasn't it obvious?
TACTICAL DREADNAUGHT ARMOR = scaled down dreadnaught
I will say that the biggest detractor for me is the tiny shoulderpads and the awful maximus helmet. A mkiii helmet would have been infinitely better.
I will stick with Maxmini shoulderpad and head swaps to get the older feel from my terminators. (Which can be viewed in the link in my signature)
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Post by: gorgon
SickSix wrote:I cant believe anyone was surprised by the 'mini-contemptor' look. Wasn't it obvious?
TACTICAL DREADNAUGHT ARMOR = scaled down dreadnaught
Note that Terminators have always been called that, yet regular termies don't look like washing machines on legs.
FWIW, these are kinda growing on me.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
IdentifyZero wrote:Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...
We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.
I was hoping for something closer to this though:
Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.
I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!
I agree, those would have been much cooler. Next year.
i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...
We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.
I was hoping for something closer to this though:
Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.
I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!
You'd want them to have the correct number of fingers though... Right?
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Post by: insaniak
I'm a little undecided on these. I like the idea of scaling down the Comtemptor... but if these are supposed to be more mobile than regular terminators, why do half of them look like they are in the process of losing their balance?
The legs need some re-posing, and the back of the armour looks like it has been cobbled together from spare parts.
I do like the torso, and it's a little more apparent on these guys that the head is sitting about the shoulders, rather than coming out the front of the chest like on regular Termies.
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Post by: Kanluwen
TyraelVladinHurst wrote:i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops
The problem is that relies upon the assumption of Forge World wanting to release models based upon that artwork.
They likely knew the reaction to these models would be far, far, far less than favorable--but they did it anyways.
But here's a few rather choice statements from FW's Facebook page:
Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.
Forge World wrote:Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.
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Post by: ghosty
I dunno how I feel about these if I'm honest. I like the whole 'Contemptor' look they have going on about them, and I think their power packs on the armour is kinda nice, but they really don't scream 'Terminator' at me. I know they're supposed to be a lighter more mobile variant, but I think they've lost what was quintessentially 'Terminator' in the process. I really can't make my mind up about them, but I can't see myself buying some.
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Post by: BlapBlapBlap
ph34r wrote:The kit includes the "never include" option of heavy flamer, so in reality this kit contains 4 full terminators.
Or you could do some conversions to make it work?
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
Forge World Open Day, 1st April, Warhammer World, Nottingham [\quote]
People get to Forge World on Open Day only to find them gone to the Bahamas for a week. Happy April 1!!!!
But on the subject of the new Termies, I kinda like them. Not 100% in love, but there are definitely some nods I appreciate. I like the old pattern bolter design for the storm bolters and part of the Mark IV power plant design on the back. Some of it definitely looks newer than older to me - like the manueverability granted by the reduced shoulderplates.
I could see buying a few of these, but not really mixing them with the regular Deathwing terminators I've already got. If I were to start up a new chapter, maybe then....Or maybe if I ran them alongside a contemptor dread. Anyways kudos to FW.
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
Forge World wrote:Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.
...Explaining "Pattern" rather than "Mark".
Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.
Which I would venture to be the chunky, claw-handed, Dreadnought-leg-shoulderpad Terminator armour.
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Post by: gorgon
That pic above (Cataphractii-pattern?) is pretty clearly from the Unification Wars time period and the Terminator equivalent of Mk.1 Thunder Armor. I'm guessing FW isn't ready to deal with that time period yet, if at all. Although if they did, I'd basically hand them my wallet.
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Post by: sennacherib
Every now and again forgeworld fails to impress. Now is one of those times. Seems like the more recent space marine stuff has been pretty lackluster and these are no exception.
The legs look to static and i am not a fan of the overall contemptor pattern look that they have. I will not be buying these.
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Post by: CURNOW
i love them ,,hope the heads are seperate tho ?
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Post by: Perkustin
Do want. Just placing an order...... One of the pairs of legs looks a little goofy but i'll live with it. Gotta say their Backs are tres Smexy.
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Post by: fire4effekt
Usually ForgeWorld has amazing miniatures. Not this time. Not this time...
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Post by: endtransmission
Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:Forge World wrote:Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.
...Explaining "Pattern" rather than "Mark".
Mark indicates an iterative design process, which we can see in the power armour as they identify an issue and modify the armour to counter the issue.
Pattern indicates a different strain or branch of the design process where another (in this case) forge world got the same initial briefing, but came up with their own ideas on how to produce TDA, rather than amending a prior design.
Taking it into today's market a Mark would be the iPhone 1/2/3/4/4S etc.
Pattern is something akin to iPhone vs Android vs Blackberry. they all do pretty much the same thing, but it's someone else's take on the idea.
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Post by: Eldar Craft
I like them. I know that they are what some people expect from a prototype terminator, but I the proportions are believable. I like. The helmets are cool and I like the not overly large shoulder pads. To qualify my bias I have always hated the terminator bull dog bulldog helmets and thought many space marine models look stubby. This is obviously (as has been stated) forgeworld running with the contemptor idea, so at least there's a consistent look. I imagine i you like contemptors you will likely(not certainly) like these. In short I may have to pick some up they seem like they'd be fun to pain.
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Post by: Alpharius
Kanluwen wrote:TyraelVladinHurst wrote:i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops
The problem is that relies upon the assumption of Forge World wanting to release models based upon that artwork.
They likely knew the reaction to these models would be far, far, far less than favorable--but they did it anyways.
But here's a few rather choice statements from FW's Facebook page:
Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.
Forge World wrote:Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.
Lots of weird "reasoning" in many of those statements...
As for the Cataphract style of terminator armor "going out of style" is odd as it is almost exclusively the style of armor we've been shown in the artwork to date.
And releasing stuff they know would be roundly disliked?
Huh?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:Kanluwen wrote:TyraelVladinHurst wrote:i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops
The problem is that relies upon the assumption of Forge World wanting to release models based upon that artwork.
They likely knew the reaction to these models would be far, far, far less than favorable--but they did it anyways.
But here's a few rather choice statements from FW's Facebook page:
Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.
Forge World wrote:Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.
Lots of weird "reasoning" in many of those statements...
As for the Cataphract style of terminator armor "going out of style" is odd as it is almost exclusively the style of armor we've been shown in the artwork to date.
Something "falling out of use" doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to be replaced across the board, Alpharius!
And releasing stuff they know would be roundly disliked?
Huh?
Forge World's sculptors do what they want to do; not what we want them to do.
Trust me--I've been trying to get them to do something and keep getting told "no"!
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Post by: LunaHound
I love them, they look a step closer to Starcraft Terran Marine design, especially the shoulder and head area
yayyyyyyyy
Kanluwen wrote:Trust me--I've been trying to get them to do something and keep getting told "no"! 
Thats usually the case, unless you can guarantee them that you'll buy all the production of the said idea.
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Post by: Eisenhorn
Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:Forge World wrote:Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.
...Explaining "Pattern" rather than "Mark".
Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.
Which I would venture to be the chunky, claw-handed, Dreadnought-leg-shoulderpad Terminator armour.
My guess is ever since FW came out with the Badab War books it shows me they are not against going backward in the timeline.
Every Horus Heresy book hits NY Times Bestseller list,the era has its fans.
I would bet they are saving Cataphracti for the envitable IA Horus Heresy book
If they do not make that book it is 100% out of spite
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Post by: master of asgard
I think these look great. The GW ones look proper goofy in comparison IMO. They almost make me want to start an all FW army with those, lots of pre-heresy marines and vehicles and a contemptor.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
gorgon wrote:I dunno...if you squint a bit, you can see some similarities with the old mk.1 miniature. Kind of...
If they made this as a multi part kit for a squad...
Well, I might even reconsider my veto of MEQ.
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Post by: azazel the cat
I gotta say, I'm not really a fan of these humpty-dumpty terminators.
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Post by: Alpharius
Eisenhorn wrote:
My guess is ever since FW came out with the Badab War books it shows me they are not against going backward in the timeline.
Every Horus Heresy book hits NY Times Bestseller list,the era has its fans.
I would bet they are saving Cataphracti for the envitable IA Horus Heresy book
If they do not make that book it is 100% out of spite
I don't know if they'll ever make an IA: HH book, but given Kan's comments earlier about FW's process ("We'll make what we want to make, when we want to make it!"), I'd say your "Spite" comment might be spot on!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:Eisenhorn wrote:
My guess is ever since FW came out with the Badab War books it shows me they are not against going backward in the timeline.
Every Horus Heresy book hits NY Times Bestseller list,the era has its fans.
I would bet they are saving Cataphracti for the envitable IA Horus Heresy book
If they do not make that book it is 100% out of spite
I don't know if they'll ever make an IA: HH book, but given Kan's comments earlier about FW's process ("We'll make what we want to make, when we want to make it!"), I'd say your "Spite" comment might be spot on!
I'm kind of confused about his "they are not against going backward in the timeline" comment. The reason we saw all those armor kits wasn't necessarily because the Badab War was "a long time ago"(it wasn't, it was actually fairly recent in terms of the timeline. The "war" proper lasted from 904.M41 to 912.M41), but because of the focus on several Chapters which had inherited relics and a Chapter(the Carcharodons) which is suspected to have been sent outward shortly after the Heresy.
That said, "spite" might not be the right comment. It might simply be a clash of vision between the sculptors and the fanbase.
It might be that this is what they've decided they want to showcase, rather than the Cataphracti variant.
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Post by: Commander Cain
I don't see FW doing cataphracti armour any time soon, it simply does not fit in with any of the IA books due to that specific patter being so old. That being said, all the other marks look very odd and would need some serious tweaks before I would consider buying them!
(link to termie armour patterns)
http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/armour_home.htm
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Post by: Alpharius
Kanluwen wrote:
That said, "spite" might not be the right comment. It might simply be a clash of vision between the sculptors and the fanbase.
It might be that this is what they've decided they want to showcase, rather than the Cataphracti variant.
Which would suggest a certain disconnect - dare I say spite - with what the fanbase might like to see.
Commander Cain wrote:I don't see FW doing cataphracti armour any time soon, it simply does not fit in with any of the IA books due to that specific patter being so old. That being said, all the other marks look very odd and would need some serious tweaks before I would consider buying them!
(link to termie armour patterns)
http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/armour_home.htm
I do see them doing it rather soon, mainly because it is the best looking suit on that list!
And thanks for the link - I lost track of it a while ago!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
That said, "spite" might not be the right comment. It might simply be a clash of vision between the sculptors and the fanbase.
It might be that this is what they've decided they want to showcase, rather than the Cataphracti variant.
Which would suggest a certain disconnect - dare I say spite - with what the fanbase might like to see.
Or maybe it's just what Will Hayes wanted to see?
His stuff does seem to be slightly hit or miss, with some of his works being heavily praised and others decried.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Alpharius wrote:Kanluwen wrote: That said, "spite" might not be the right comment. It might simply be a clash of vision between the sculptors and the fanbase. It might be that this is what they've decided they want to showcase, rather than the Cataphracti variant. Which would suggest a certain disconnect - dare I say spite - with what the fanbase might like to see. I wouldn't say a disconnect is spiteful, more that they have a plan of things that THEY want to do and it doesn't necessarily line up with what fans wish they would do. Any assumption that they were going to do Heresy era TDA was just that: an assumption derived from them happening to do different marks of Power Armour(many of which are still in use by both Loyalist and Traitor Chapters/Legions). Not saying it wasn't a logical assumption, just saying that there was nothing actually suggesting that it would happen besides a huge amount of wish listing.
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Post by: Alpharius
And from wishlisting and fanbase wants come many, many sales.
From weird MKIV + Terminator armor matings come... significantly fewer sales!
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Post by: LunaHound
Alpharius wrote:We'll make what we want to make, when we want to make it!
I disagree with that. FW doesn't need to have certain patterns in what they make.
For one, we might not be clever enough to see the pattern that is laid out infront of us even if they did.
2nd, FW can very well be the protype tests for GW, testing waters on concepts, interests patterns etc etc.
with little to no repercussion, compared to GW
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Post by: Alpharius
What the...?!?
What are you talking about?
And why are you typing it in red?
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Post by: IdentifyZero
Alpharius wrote:What the...?!?
What are you talking about?
And why are you typing it in red?
He's either trying to go faster or angry.
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Post by: LunaHound
IdentifyZero wrote:Alpharius wrote:What the...?!?
What are you talking about?
And why are you typing it in red?
He's either trying to go faster or angry.
Was it really that hard to see?
I quoted Alpharius's post , then I saw I was quoting within a quote of someone that Alpharius dont want me to speak to.
So I edited that part out so I can still discuss what he quoted, without involving the other person.
But I see even that will bring issues, so I stayed silent :')
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Post by: Eisenhorn
You should of just said ,because it make you type fasta
(that was hilarious BTW)
Here is what I think,they know the Horus Heresy is a cash cow a goldmine if you will.
Why do they need to mine it when GW is going to have a hell of a year already(6th,Starter,Paints)
Remember FW is part of GW when it come to financing and profits.
They will save the Horus Heresy for either a slow year or to coincide with the final Heresy novels when they cover the Siege.
Have a year of Heresy kind of deal.
Orrrrrr they are all just Artists with no concept of money(it's all about the art,mannnnnn,screw Horus Heresy I'm making the Hayes Heresy)
LMAO That is the name for these models the"Hayes Heresy"
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Post by: MajorTom11
Do us all a favor and lay off the red text Luna, leave that to the Mods, if you can't get your point across without resorting to blazing colors then maybe your point needs to be re-stated, or, people simply disagree and have moved on. Either way, it is only disruptive and distracting from your actual message to frame it in red. First thing people think: 'What? She's not a Mod? Why did she do that?
Now, to everyone myself included
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Post by: LunaHound
Eisenhorn wrote:You should of just said ,because it make you type fasta
Oh that part.
No because I was in Theme Classic Grey-Gold, and I usually type in this color when the background is dark.
As much as I love Cyan / Aquamarine color, lots of people cant see it clearly so I change it to red.
But if that is offensive, no worries I switched back to Work Safe Green White.
Sorry for been offensive with red everyone!
To be fair Tom, I never realized red was reserved for mods, but now that I know, I'll remember it in the future.
apologizing for something like this.... sigh....
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Post by: bhsman
I like them.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
I love them--I think that it fits the name (and the style of their Contemptors). I'm sure the third party guys are happy too--they can continue to produce shoulder pads for more 'visions of heresy' terminators.
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Post by: Eisenhorn
But does'nt having third party parts make them not game legal?
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Eisenhorn wrote:But does'nt having third party parts make them not game legal?
Only if you play in Ard Boyz or GW sanctioned tournaments
*troll face*
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Post by: Eisenhorn
and Ard Boyz is S canned
Groovy as long as I can change the head and slap on some regular arms with Max Mni strappy pads and a topknot and your good to go.
A much better base to start a PH termie off of.
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Post by: Sekai
I'd be interested to see how they look with standard terminator arms and with normal terminator shoulder pads. Could look interesting, or could look like crap.
I for one love the new Contemptor style'd terminators. Already pre-ordered.
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Post by: endtransmission
Alpharius wrote:I do see them doing it rather soon, mainly because it is the best looking suit on that list!
And that's personal opinion as I think it's possibly the worst looking armour on that list
I have fond memories of the Mk2 turtle back armour, even though the head is surgically embedded into the poor guy's chest.
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Post by: darkslife
They are also MUCH cheaper than $AUS price for normal termies.
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Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti
They seem like they have borrowed the legs from the tin man from the wizard of oz
Do I like these? Certainly not......I expect a lot better than this from forgeworld, especially when it comes to something as cool as termies
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Post by: Druidic
I like them
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Post by: Pacific
Alpharius wrote:And from wishlisting and fanbase wants come many, many sales.
From weird MKIV + Terminator armor matings come... significantly fewer sales!
Agree with this completely. My guess, they release this first, the 'early adopters' (who buy every new FW release) will get it. Then, 6 months down the road we get a proper Catephracti suit which they surely must know is what the fans want.
Knowing the most design is done using CAD these days, looking at these I would say they are a simple re-design of the Contemptor Dreadnought scaled down. Certainly, a much much easier job than making something like this in detail:
There are already a load of 3rd party Cataphract shoulder pads available, and TBH most Pre-Heresy conversions I have seen look a lot more characterful than this latest FW sculpt.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marines. [EDIT]: I removed redundant redundancies that I removed...
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
H.B.M.C. wrote:I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marine proportions.
You too?
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Post by: aka_mythos
I'm going to say it... I hate the Cataphracti pattern terminator armor. Given a marines stature... ther shoulder pads on those Cataphracti armor are over 6ft wide and they really don't improve the protection of the armor. I'm not a fan of the Tartaros pattern terminator armour minis, largely because of posing, but the composition at least makes sense. While the Tartaros isn't among the Horus Heresey artwork, its important to remember that the artwork shows other patterns of terminator beyond just the Cataphracti, so its a bit of a false assumption that it should represent the Heresey.
The Tartaros pattern terminator armour I think is a throw back to the 3 proto-terminator armor figures. I think there are neat little bits of detail, like the bolters or how the flamer is meant to be remeniscent of the horizontal Heavy Flamers terminators used to carry. In the fluff, it was said the helmet design for Mk4 power armor came from developements on terminator armor, so its neat to see that come through.
I think the main weakness of the Tartaros pattern is that it looks like extra bulky Power Armor rather than terminator armor.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
aka_mythos wrote:I'm going to say it... I hate the Cataphracti pattern terminator armor.
And a lot of people really dislike the original Land Raider. They still made that.
To me the Cataphracti armour does represent the Heresy (or Great Crusade). I'm not say that's all we see, but we certainly see it more than other types, and it would be a shame not to release that type of armour as a model kit. I know I'd get a set to make into a Command Squad for a Cataphracti-style commander, and I don't need any more Terminators (I've got about 15 Chaos and 15 Loyalist ones still unbuilt!!!).
I'd hate to think that these plus-sized Space Marines are all we're going to see of Pre-Heresy Terminator armour.
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Post by: Breotan
H.B.M.C. wrote:I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marines.
I used to be bothered by the wide crotch of the newest plastic Termies but I got over that quickly enough. Now it's the pear shape of these guys that's making me giggle. Oh, the partical tactical backpack looks out of place as well.
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Post by: geordie09
I'm not impressed. If they had created a style somewhere in between this and the regular armour it would have interested me... like the armour on Asterion Moloc!
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Post by: Squidmanlolz
Personally, I like them alot more than the modern Termies, I like the sleaker design. Reminds me of the Contemptor dread who's design I absolutly love.
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Post by: Miss Dee
I like them ..... with a bit of mod werk perfect fer mah Night Lords
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Breotan wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marines.
I used to be bothered by the wide crotch of the newest plastic Termies but I got over that quickly enough. Now it's the pear shape of these guys that's making me giggle. Oh, the partical tactical backpack looks out of place as well.
I remember someone had to point out the silly bow-legged stance of the old Reaver Titans from Epic before I saw it. When I did I noticed that it was silly, but up until that point my opinion was "Cool giant robot thing!!!". Apparently I'm six years old...
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Post by: aka_mythos
H.B.M.C. wrote:aka_mythos wrote:I'm going to say it... I hate the Cataphracti pattern terminator armor.
And a lot of people really dislike the original Land Raider. They still made that.
To me the Cataphracti armour does represent the Heresy (or Great Crusade). I'm not say that's all we see, but we certainly see it more than other types, and it would be a shame not to release that type of armour as a model kit. I know I'd get a set to make into a Command Squad for a Cataphracti-style commander, and I don't need any more Terminators (I've got about 15 Chaos and 15 Loyalist ones still unbuilt!!!).
I'd hate to think that these plus-sized Space Marines are all we're going to see of Pre-Heresy Terminator armour.
I like the retro Land Raider, as I defeneded it then, its more practical than the modern one... even if it isn't "realistic." My issue is that I think the aesthetics of the Cataphracti are weak. I've made my preferences for the first two patterns of Proto-terminator armor clear. I think that FW point is valid: there are many patterns of terminator armor and that this is just one pattern of terminator armor; to me that sentiment implies they'll do others. I want them to make Cataphracti, even though they aren't my preference, just because people want them. Like you, I don't need terminators; I've got too many, built and unbuilt.
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Post by: Miss Dee
H.B.M.C. wrote:Breotan wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marines.
I used to be bothered by the wide crotch of the newest plastic Termies but I got over that quickly enough. Now it's the pear shape of these guys that's making me giggle. Oh, the partical tactical backpack looks out of place as well.
I remember someone had to point out the silly bow-legged stance of the old Reaver Titans from Epic before I saw it. When I did I noticed that it was silly, but up until that point my opinion was "Cool giant robot thing!!!". Apparently I'm six years old...
Is that a menthal age?
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Post by: Orinoco
the reason they look werid is that the torso is contempor pattern but the legs are maximus pattern and the helmet. compare a maximus marine and you'll see the similarity. They're obviously supposed to be pre heresy due to the era of the armour as maximus is pre heresy.
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Post by: VikingScott
I really like them but the poses are a bit...off. That is what I don't particullarly like. Maybe it's just how they've been put together by someone but they look off. Can't complain about the price either tbh. Not bad for FW.
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Post by: Arm.chair.general
wow, they look awesome, I'll buy 2 packs!
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Post by: Rayvon
Orinoco wrote:the reason they look werid is that the torso is contempor pattern but the legs are maximus pattern and the helmet. compare a maximus marine and you'll see the similarity. They're obviously supposed to be pre heresy due to the era of the armour as maximus is pre heresy.
Tactical Dreadnought Armour, or Terminator Armour as it is more usually known, is the most resilient form of personal protection available to the Adeptus Astartes. Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently.
Of these, the Indomitus pattern is perhaps the most widespread, due to its template being held on key Forge Worlds such as Mars, although Tartaros Pattern Terminator armour is also issued to the Veterans of a Chapter’s 1st Company. Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I wonder if FW will go so far as giving these a different set of rule from the standard terminators. Maybe they can pursue.
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Post by: Claimh_Solais
torso and weapons look cool ...the rest looks boring
GW plastic termis are way cooler
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Post by: VI th legion
I like them, after my Wolves are done I'll get a pack or two.
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Post by: Theophony
I didn't like the contemptor at first, and still not a huge fan of it next to modern marine armor, but next to older style armor it is awesome. These might be the same, as I love mark iv armor and have a full battle company of mark iv that these may be joining soon.
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Post by: ifStatement
I dislike the near spherical torso which I also dislike about the contemptor dread.
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Post by: Alpharius
Pacific wrote:

Pacifc - thanks for that picture!
I'm always looking for additional Pre-Heresy/Heresy stuff, and that is a good one for the archives!
And a good example of what I hope FW eventually releases.
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Post by: Slinky
Goes to show how personal taste is - I really like the Tartaros, but loathe the image above.
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Post by: Pacific
Ah, but if you had followed pre-heresy from the beginning card game and collected visions book Slinky maybe you would have a different view? They are one of the key elements of pre-heresy, as much as white World Eaters and Emperor's Children carrying the Aquila
Here are some more pics, I think a lot of people aren't aware of the 'true' pre-heresy terminator as it was originally envisaged. There is so much material here for a sculptor to use (as they did indeed with the other armour marks!) I put in spoiler tags to not de-rail the thread!
If you like this art, I thoroughly recommend the Horus Heresy: Collected Visions book (now available as an anthology), the book that started the whole pre-heresy thing!
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Post by: Slinky
Thanks for the effort to try and convert me
Still not a fan, though
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Post by: aka_mythos
I collected all those artbooks and I didn't like the cataphracti patterm. I my opinion the John Blanche concept is the best. I find the individual tweeks to the design that happened with all the other renditions leave something to be desired. For example the John Blanche concept leaves the head looking like it can move around a bit, while it has the same gorget its not necessarily fixed to the chest plate, as its drawn in the others. The shoulder pads aren't as broad and actually conform to the general downward slope of a persons neck line into their shoulder... all the others show them as stiffer plates that extend off the shoulder by about a foot to each side.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
I hate to say this, but anyone else notice they kind of look like StarCraft Marines?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Those Ultramarine ones are great.
Friend of mine did an Iron Warriors army where all the Terminators are in that style of armour. Looked boss.
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Post by: Pedro Kantor
I like them.I will have to have a chat at my flgs and see if they can get me a pack or 2 and a contemptor for in-game support.
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Post by: aka_mythos
ShatteredBlade wrote:I hate to say this, but anyone else notice they kind of look like StarCraft Marines?
Thats quite circular an idea... see as I think StarCraft Marines look like Space Marines.
It really comes down to the fact that Blizzard in developing SC was inspired heavily by the aesthetic of 40k. Warcraft was even presented in Alpha phase developement as proposed Warhammer game, which just emmohasize the root in stylistic choice. I think its perfectly legitamite, but saying one thing looks like another in this way is always a bit silly. Proportions is 50% of how common somethings look, and the greatest source of commonality. If there are details you think are similar, thats a different issue, but it requires more specificity that "they kinda look like".
To see a similarity you have to ignore that Tartaros pattern armor has straight greaves not ones that conform more to the shape of the leg. You have to ignore differences, in helmet, weapon, and insignia. You have to ignore the differences in power packs, and the absence of chest vents on the Tartarus.... etc. They are similar because they are proportionally similar human shaped figures covered in similar amounts of armor, beyond that its largely different.
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Post by: Red Corsair
This looks like a forge world attempt at producing true scale marines for TS fans. Then quickly labeling it as terminators last minute.
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Post by: Alpharius
I don't think that's the case at all.
GW/FW have long believed that marines are in the correct scale and it is perhaps the only ranges which have maybe... bloated a bit.
FW's IG line is a good example of figures that are closer to what they "should" be.
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Post by: LunaHound
ShatteredBlade wrote:I hate to say this, but anyone else notice they kind of look like StarCraft Marines?
Yep. they mose determinately carry the Terran aesthetics especially the rounded shoulders and how it encases the head area
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Post by: ph34r
Red Corsair wrote:This looks like a forge world attempt at producing true scale marines for TS fans. Then quickly labeling it as terminators last minute.
Uh, lol? How do they look like true scale marines at all? I think you have your tin foil hat on backwards.
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Post by: Frazzled
kronk wrote:I think they rock! But then, I really like the Contemptor Dreadnought and these remind me of them.
I'll have a unit of 10, I think.
Also marines that don't look like they've been smeared in glue and dipped in a vat of skulls. Kind of like that.
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