Forgeworld added the new Tartartos pattern Terminator armour to their site:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/TARTAROS_PATTERN_TERMINATOR_ARMOUR.html





Matches the Condemptor Dreadnoughts pretty well.

I think they look alright. Not all that special. Sword and heavy flamer are pretty cool though

Mini contemptor dreads

Well that's... not what people would have expected from Pre-Heresy Terminators.

I honestly don't like them. They just look like up-armoured Marines, not like proto-Terminators.

Very much an anti-fan here. They look worse than normal terminators in my opinion. Not surprising that they gave them a "relatively" low price point, I doubt they would sell at "premium" pricing.

Too many of their design features scream "just cause".
Power cutlass? just 'cause
Thigh armor hangs up instead of down for no reason? Just 'cause
Leg armor looks like two cylinders stuck together with blobby feet that have less detail than the plastic kit? Just 'cause
Tiny ass weird shoulder pads? Just 'cause
Giant silly storm bolters that look like billy age 12's first conversion where he slams two bolters together to make a storm bolter, or puts his rhino's pintle SB on a terminator to look "cool". I can't even give this a "just 'cause" because it looks awful.
Weird back power plant thing? Wtf is going on here? Why would you design this that way? They took terminator armor, looked at the back and said "this looks too normal. what if we jammed a whole fething mk4 backpack in there so it sticks out with a bunch of cables and crap"
Mk4 helmets in terminator armor? Cool.
Collared terminator armor? Cool.
Both at the same time? fething slowed. Those helmets cannot turn in there.

The "proportion fail" is HORRIBLY obvious with these models.

The kit includes the "never include" option of heavy flamer, so in reality this kit contains 4 full terminators.

The torso connection is flat and contains a million cables which means it's hard to lift to relieve the "awful proportions" problem, and oh, you can't make your terminators posed in any direction other than "hurr durr straight ahead arms wide to the side"

The torsos look cool. The crotch armor looks cool. The greaves look cool aside from the upper legs and feet. The PFs look cool and the shoulder pads were so close to looking cool.


I give this kit a 6.5/10

They're fairly small. I'd expect them to be even bulkier than the modern terminators.

I'm fairly ambivalent about them tbh.

I really do not like them.

They just do not have the bulk that a Terminator should have.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well that's... not what people would have expected from Pre-Heresy Terminators.

I honestly don't like them. They just look like up-armoured Marines, not like proto-Terminators.

I dont think that these will be/ are suppose to be the pre-heresy Terminators.
FW does a rather good job sticking to existing artwork when it comes to pre-heresy stuff.

Looking back at some of the art though ... the pre-heresy dread labelled pics to show the contemptor though, so maybe you are in fact right.

H.B.M.C., I don't see them as "pre heresy".. the FW blurb says the "most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnaught Armor".

Is TDA a pre-heresy thing, or is that simply the formal name of Terminator Armor?

Edit: ninjad by a lot, whups..

Not feeling them, but I like the storm bolters (I suppose twin-linked bolter is more accurate) a lot.

I really like that TDA. Still not as nice as Kabalite armour

porkuslime wrote:H.B.M.C., I don't see them as "pre heresy".. the FW blurb says the "most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnaught Armor".

Is TDA a pre-heresy thing, or is that simply the formal name of Terminator Armor?

Edit: ninjad by a lot, whups..

It's just the formal name, nothing new.

I don't think these are supposed to be pre-heresy either, but that doesn't stop them from looking bad for whatever they're supposed to be.

TDA is the full name for Terminator armour. From the description these are one of the pre-heresy TDA types... so potentially there are more coming

I kinda like them... kinda. The legs look a bit weird, but I do like the torsos and heads

porkuslime wrote:H.B.M.C., I don't see them as "pre heresy".. the FW blurb says the "most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnaught Armor".

Is TDA a pre-heresy thing, or is that simply the formal name of Terminator Armor?

Edit: ninjad by a lot, whups..

TDA is the "formal" name. And pre-heresy would always be "the most advanced stuff", since it came from "before" Imperial Technology started to regress, the era of Imperial Jet-Bikes and whatnot...

Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection.

Can these sweeping advance?

Yep, but your 3+ save on 2d6 gets downgraded to a 4+.

Contemptornators! I quite like them! While they do not match my idea of the big, cumbersome termie of now, they seem a little more realistic compared to today's. Those complaining about proportions, compared to what?! They are at least the same if not better proportioned than the plastics.

Darn you FW, another thing to add to the ever-growing basket of stuff!

Commander Cain wrote:Contemptornators! I quite like them! While they do not match my idea of the big, cumbersome termie of now, they seem a little more realistic compared to today's. Those complaining about proportions, compared to what?! They are at least the same if not better proportioned than the plastics.

Darn you FW, another thing to add to the ever-growing basket of stuff!

The thing is that with the normal terminators, they are so far from form fitting or normal marine armor that it's harder to recognize how bad the proportions are.
With these, the similarities to marine armor are stronger, and it's way easier to notice how goofily small his torso must be to fit between those giant tubes of thighs and his standard SM helmet.

Forgeworld


Tactical Dreadnought Armour, or Terminator Armour as it is more usually known, is the most resilient form of personal protection available to the Adeptus Astartes. Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently.

Of these, the Indomitus pattern is perhaps the most widespread, due to its template being held on key Forge Worlds such as Mars, although Tartaros Pattern Terminator armour is also issued to the Veterans of a Chapter’s 1st Company. Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection.

The Tartaros Pattern Terminators set, models designed by Will Hayes, is a full resin kit that comprises five Terminators, armed with power fists, a power sword, storm bolters, a heavy flamer and enough optional attachments to arm four Space Marines with chainfists.
Please note that these models are not compatible with our range of Terminator Shoulder Pads.

This detailed squad will be available to purchase in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, and is also available to pre-order now for despatch from 10th April.

So yes, this kit is not pre-heresy, simply a more agile variant of the normal TDA. I have to say, the models seem to match this description perfectly!

I like 'em, but then I'm a massive fan of Mk IV armour.

If they come out with a CC variant, my Salamanders army will gain a squad

Really don't like them. But I can see a conversion using their torsos and legs and arms from the plastic terminators potentially looking sweet.

I like this is pretty cool if i got any i would make them a bit taller with placticard.

- ironhandstraken

ph34r wrote:

Commander Cain wrote:Contemptornators! I quite like them! While they do not match my idea of the big, cumbersome termie of now, they seem a little more realistic compared to today's. Those complaining about proportions, compared to what?! They are at least the same if not better proportioned than the plastics.

Darn you FW, another thing to add to the ever-growing basket of stuff!

The thing is that with the normal terminators, they are so far from form fitting or normal marine armor that it's harder to recognize how bad the proportions are.
With these, the similarities to marine armor are stronger, and it's way easier to notice how goofily small his torso must be to fit between those giant tubes of thighs and his standard SM helmet.

Oh I never said that they were well proportioned! Simply not as bad as I had expected they would be

Commander Cain wrote:

Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade,

So yes, this kit is not pre-heresy, simply a more agile variant of the normal TDA. I have to say, the models seem to match this description perfectly!

Think you'll find that the Great Crusade was *before* the Horus Heresy... which makes it one of the Pre-Heresy TDA variants

endtransmission wrote:

Commander Cain wrote:

Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade,

So yes, this kit is not pre-heresy, simply a more agile variant of the normal TDA. I have to say, the models seem to match this description perfectly!

Think you'll find that the Great Crusade was *before* the Horus Heresy... which makes it one of the Pre-Heresy TDA variants

I was under the impression that it was talking about TDA in general with the first paragraph...

At first glance, I quite like them. They'll make a decent Terminator command squad.

Just called in FW's customer's support asking if there are any more Termies coming soon (for the Open Day and the Salute events). They told me that there won't be any (apart the Tartaros' ones), BUT we should be expecting more Marines releases for the Salute.

praetor24 wrote:Just called in FW's customer's support asking if there are any more Termies coming soon (for the Open Day and the Salute events). They told me that there won't be any (apart the Tartaros' ones), BUT we should be expecting more Marines releases for the Salute.

Nice one! Was hoping for some of the older termie variants but hopefully the other releases can sate my appetite!

Commander Cain wrote:I was under the impression that it was talking about TDA in general with the first paragraph...

True, it could be. I guess we'll never know for sure unless it gets included in a future book

I think they rock! But then, I really like the Contemptor Dreadnought and these remind me of them.

I'll have a unit of 10, I think.

praetor24 wrote:Just called in FW's customer's support asking if there are any more Termies coming soon (for the Open Day and the Salute events). They told me that there won't be any (apart the Tartaros' ones), BUT we should be expecting more Marines releases for the Salute.

More Marine stuff by FW? Shocker!

I dunno, I think they're okay. Not amazing or anything, though.

Not a fan, but at least the armpits are lower than the chin on these.

I like these, and am considering buying a squad, except I already own 5 regular Terminators plus a full Space Hulk set, so I really cannot justify the expense.

Cant see FW at work

Can someone post a pic of them?

ph34r wrote:Giant silly storm bolters that look like billy age 12's first conversion where he slams two bolters together to make a storm bolter, or puts his rhino's pintle SB on a terminator to look "cool". I can't even give this a "just 'cause" because it looks awful.

That's because the probably are two bolters smushed together ie. a Combi-Bolter ie. what Terminators had before the Storm Bolter was developed.

These are late Great Crusade designs, so Combi-Bolters makes perfect sense.


And they're not planning another pattern of Termy armour? Then what does this bit mean:

Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection.

Unless that's what they're calling regular Termy armour.

The general style and look is good. High tech feel and smooth lines, but their stance still bothers me. The legs are still too far apart.

Still better than the godawful current plastic terminators though - their legs are splayed so far apart that I reckon they'd dislocate their hips while going for a stroll.


Edit,

Nah. I'm out. The more I look at them the more I don't want them. I really do want to like them. Cotemptor look - good. Weapons - good. Just the stance. God the stance. They look far to posed, like they are doing star-jumps or similar. One even looks he's going dancing. Come on FW. I've always liked what you've done in terms of poses and keeping things to roughly the same scale. Keeping human proportions and movement all relative. But with these, I'd have to suspend a lot of disbelief!

Wonder if we can get a look at the components? Maybe if they are quite modular in assembling, you can assemble them in a bit more of a anatomically correct (and comfortable) pose.

Since they mention the Indomitus is the most common pattern, I can only imagine it refers to the GW standard.

I wonder why GW and FW designers seem to be dead set on making Marines stand in ridculous splayed poses. Must be some kind of design bible they must all adhere to.

I love them. Probably also due to the link with mark 4 power armour.

Each to their own. I like them, but would prefer to consider them a refinement of terminator armour and not a prototype.

Space marine armour is one of the few things where later designs look more advanced than earlier. I would like to think of these suits as very new rather than very old.

We already had prototype terminator armour released before and IIRC it looked very crude.

Orlanth wrote:Each to their own. I like them, but would prefer to consider them a refinement of terminator armour and not a prototype.

Now you've got me thinking about how cool it'd be if FW made the Mk.XIII Power Armour from the Dornian Heresy booklet.

Uhhhhhh.... Wtf......

Just when I was on a very long FW can do no wrong stint... These are pretty horrid IMHO... I love contemptors, but I find the nearly perfect match scaled down chest odd and lazy on a non- dread... Arms are sticking out of his ribs, the dont seem to have changed the torso height too so it went from head in chest termie look to this lol. Legs relatively ok with, but just look like slightly bulked pa. I am ok with the combi bolter/storm bolter look, just think it is a bit mis- scaled...

My worst gripes though are the back and the shoulder pads. The pads are in fact smaller looking than regular PA! This reall makes them awkward to the marine aesthetic IMO... And that backpack is so poorly executed and integrated it looks like he is trying to shoplift a mkiv pack out under his shirt....

Very underwhelming or me... Although I should be thankful, it's the fist time in a while I will be able to resist the siren call of fw!

I like them. It makes the contemptor fit better to the overall look. FW makes it hard not to do a pre heresy army. Must resist...

I... actually quite like these. Not sure if I would run with several Termies of this pattern but a few scattered in and out would look great.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

ph34r wrote:Giant silly storm bolters that look like billy age 12's first conversion where he slams two bolters together to make a storm bolter, or puts his rhino's pintle SB on a terminator to look "cool". I can't even give this a "just 'cause" because it looks awful.

That's because the probably are two bolters smushed together ie. a Combi-Bolter ie. what Terminators had before the Storm Bolter was developed.

These are late Great Crusade designs, so Combi-Bolters makes perfect sense.

Combi bolters make sense. Obviously.

Taking two bolters and sticking them together was not a successful way to accomplish this.

Look at the HH art book combi bolters. Pretty cool right? Every depiction has their combi-bolters as a more crude "double bolter" design, yet similar in size to a storm bolter. Why? Because two full on bolters strapped together looks stupid as hell. Their limp wristed shoulder pads don't help the matter.

Not a fan here either, first FW model for ages that i really do not like.
£36 seems a bit much for five termies that have less detail than the standard ones to me, i think i will stick to the plastics.

In two minds about these.

The upper half look good and the storm bolters look ace!

The legs however, they look terrible.

I think FW is struggling a bit at the moment. The preheresy Marine stuff is technically adequate, but is really adding little that is really new and adventurous. They are playing it safe, if that makes any sense.

This is just as bad as trying to make a Star Wars pre-quel.

For those who may not have started with this company, they are re-releasing the stuff we used to play with, except 5x the price.

This fascination with pre-heresy stuff has worked for GW I guess. I'm not a fan of these bubble terminators or the bubble dreadnought either.

Mini contemptors?

I'll wait till they make other terminator marks

Point of clarification: Terminator Armor always has been called, properly but rarely, called "Tactical Dreadnought armor". This is not new or different.

I don't like contemptors too much, so I guess that's why I don't like these either.

Ouze wrote:Point of clarification: Terminator Armor always has been called, properly but rarely, called "Tactical Dreadnought armor". This is not new or different.

That may be true but I think FW took that to the logical extreme

The biggest thing that kills it for me is the utter and total disregard for how anyone but a headless gorilla would fit inside that armor.

At least with the normal terminators you could maybe imagine someone standing hunched over in the suit taking advantage of the forward put face. With these things there's utterly no way with the head being placed in the 'center' of the suit.

Forge World Newsletter #300


Hi there,
With the Forge World Open Day only a few days away, we can now reveal details of a brand new Space Marine release that will be available to buy at the event; the Tartaros Pattern Terminator Squad. This detailed, multi-part resin kit is available to pre-order now and will be on sale in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April – and that’s no joke!

Tartaros Pattern Terminator Squad



Tartaros Pattern Terminators: Tactical Dreadnought Armour, or Terminator Armour as it is more usually known, is the most resilient form of personal protection available to the Adeptus Astartes. Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently.

Of these, the Indomitus pattern is perhaps the most widespread, due to its template being held on key Forge Worlds such as Mars, although Tartaros Pattern Terminator armour is also issued to the Veterans of a Chapter’s 1st Company.

Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection.

The Tartaros Pattern Terminators set, designed by Will Hayes, is a full resin kit that comprises five Terminators, armed with power fists, a power sword, storm bolters, a heavy flamer and enough optional attachments to arm four Space Marines with chainfists. This detailed squad will be available to purchase in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, and is also available to pre-order now for despatch from 10th April.

Forge World Events News:
Forge World Open Day, 1st April, Warhammer World, Nottingham

As you can’t fail to have noticed, this coming Sunday is the annual Forge World Open Day and we’re making our final preparations. There’s still time to place a reservation order, so if you want to make sure that we have the exact models you’re after packed and waiting for you, please call the Customer Service team on 0115 900 4995.

We’ve got several exciting newsletters lined up for the countdown to the Open Day, so stay tuned to your e-mail for more details

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Forge World will again be attending AdeptiCon this year, and we are still accepting reservation orders for this popular event. While we will be bringing a huge selection of our range of books, resin kits and modelling products, placing a reservation order is the best way to ensure that we have exactly what you want packed up and waiting for you at the show.

You can either telephone us on 011 44 115 900 4995, or send an e-mail entitled ‘AdeptiCon 2012 Reservation’ to forgeworldreservations@games-workshop.co.uk. We will need your name, a list of the items that you wish to order, and a contact e-mail address for yourself by Monday 2nd April.

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While some of our intrepid staff are across the pond in the Windy City, others of Forge World will be journeying to London’s ExCel centre for Salute 2012. We’ll be bringing a wide selection of our range of books, resin kits and modelling supplies, but due to the limited space that we have available at this event we recommend you places a reservation order to ensure we have exactly what you want, packed and waiting for you.

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.... meh.

I like them. Then again, I'll have less of an issue with their size as my army is made up of the original beakie marines... which are much smaller than any of the current models. I bet these guys are on-par with the original metal terminators... which are considerably smaller than the current plastic ones. The facing up thigh plates are just stupid (as armor goes), but that can easily be remedied and turned into something more intelligent.

Gitsplitta wrote:I like them. Then again, I'll have less of an issue with their size as my army is made up of the original beakie marines... which are much smaller than any of the current models. I bet these guys are on-par with the original metal terminators... which are considerably smaller than the current plastic ones.

Check the comparison picture in the first post, these Terminators are about the same size as the plastic ones.

I was going to say "pre-heresy" but they have the aquilla on them which was added to SM armor after the dust settled and most of chaos was driven into the Eye. Still, that stormbolter is definately "retro" enough to be called pre-heresy.

Any one else think forge world is kinda dropping the ball on their new models? I didn't much care for their new dread, Or these models. Maybe its just a personal opinion.

Not a fan. I could see it as some form of specialized armor variant, but not terminator armor.

Breotan wrote:I was going to say "pre-heresy" but they have the aquilla on them which was added to SM armor after the dust settled and most of chaos was driven into the Eye. Still, that stormbolter is definately "retro" enough to be called pre-heresy.

You don't allow for the possibility that the Aquila was added later?

PapaPiggy wrote:Any one else think forge world is kinda dropping the ball on their new models? I didn't much care for their new dread, Or these models. Maybe its just a personal opinion.

It's probably just personal opinion. I like the Contemptor Dreadnought and these. I hate the look of the Stormraven and the Dreadknight, but a lot of people seem to like them. I would buy the Stormraven if my Black Templars get it, though.

Right, I really don't know what to think on these new Termies, on one hand i really want to like them as they're new and different than what we have, and we all love something new in this hobby right? and good on them for giving them a mk4 reference, but they just don't scream buy me! I actually prefer the standard termies, they appear meaner and more armoured than these guys, the new ones have next to no details and actually look a bit boring not to mention the legs look like they haven't been finished yet, I do like the idea of different helmets and the high collar but overall I'm not going to buy anything that price that looks so ordinary considering the scope and workmanship FW have in the majority of their mini's which i love.

I'd have liked them to include an assault cannon with the kit.

lol mini contemptors

Cant say i care for these at all.

Not impressed. They just look like fat Marines, not Marines in advanced armor.

I dunno...if you squint a bit, you can see some similarities with the old mk.1 miniature. Kind of...



An updated version of Mk.1 power armor is what I really want to see from FW.

Maybe that's what they're trying. Maybe this is the 'modern' version of that type of Terminator armour.

I'll be buying a few (5-10) to put into a themed 500 pt list.

The only reason is that they look like little Contemptor Dreads. Other than that, they're Ok borderline Eww.

Uriels_Flame wrote:This is just as bad as trying to make a Star Wars pre-quel.

For those who may not have started with this company, they are re-releasing the stuff we used to play with, except 5x the price.

This fascination with pre-heresy stuff has worked for GW I guess. I'm not a fan of these bubble terminators or the bubble dreadnought either.

What old models do these look like at all? Also, old designs with modern aesthetics and competent sculpting isn't exactly the same as the old models. If you put a modern Forgeworld Marine next to the 80s GW lead sculpt, you'll laugh your ass off at how goofy and mutated the old one looks like.

PapaPiggy wrote:Any one else think forge world is kinda dropping the ball on their new models? I didn't much care for their new dread, Or these models. Maybe its just a personal opinion.

Not really, no. The Contemptor has been received very well. My only big qualm with this kit is that it comes with a heavy flamer instead of a more useful heavy weapon, like an assault cannon. I like it, but don't love it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe that's what they're trying. Maybe this is the 'modern' version of that type of Terminator armour.

I hope not. I'd hate to have to think so poorly of their abilities.

I'm a fan of them. Never like the "bulldog" helmets or the high shoulders of the standard ones and think these are definitely better. But then I like the Contemptor so it could just be that bias coming in.

They look like they have sticks shoved way up there power armor. i like the armor but the pose is stupid.seriously walking space men with stick up there you know what.

I really like the look of them, it looks a bit as if they tried to recreate terminator armour from scratch (lorewise).
I noticed if you look at the recently released Asterion Moloc model you can see he also wears a personalized version of the Tartaros Pattern.
Which isn't a big surprise when looking at the name of the new pattern and the look of Asterion's armour.

I... want to like these. But I hate pretty much everything about them.

Well, the helmets are cool. And the twin bolter's neat.

I think that these look pretty awesome! But I'll stick to converting GKs for my pre-heresy armour post-heresy Word Bearers.

Kaime wrote:Mini contemptor dreads

Thats exactly what I thought, and I love them. Between these, the new Minotaurs dudes, and the Decimator FW is gonna destroy my bank account.

several types and patterns were developed concurrently

There you are, then - the Tartaros pattern was developed at the same time as the Indomitus.

Seems like these are just truescale marines. I give it a pass.

I like them and they are priced the same as regular termies.

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:I think that these look pretty awesome! But I'll stick to converting GKs for my pre-heresy armour post-heresy Word Bearers.

Funnily enough I was thinking they would make for some awesome Grey Knights

kronk wrote:

PapaPiggy wrote:Any one else think forge world is kinda dropping the ball on their new models? I didn't much care for their new dread, Or these models. Maybe its just a personal opinion.

It's probably just personal opinion. I like the Contemptor Dreadnought and these. I hate the look of the Stormraven and the Dreadknight, but a lot of people seem to like them. I would buy the Stormraven if my Black Templars get it, though.

I completely agree. Love these and the Contemptor, hate the Storm Raven and Dreadknight.

I don't mind them if I was going to use them as some sort of Artificer Power Armor, but not Terminators.

They are far too sleek to fit with the mythos, and plus, their faulty anatomy is even more pronounced. Evidently when you get promoted enough to wear TDA, they cut your arms off and you run the suit by mind-impulse. Because especially with these models, there is no way their arms can fir into the arms of the suit.

There used to be a theory that the normal TDA armor is run off min-impulses, with the marine's arms crossed in front of his chest underneath the armor. These models could never do that.

Of course, if you are running a pre-Heresy army, you could always use these new Terminators as a robot maniple (squad)............

I like them as well as a variant but I did not have any pre-conceived notions as to what I wanted to see... either.

I like 'em and look forward to adding a squad(or 2 if they release a melee squad) to my Deathwing army.

I really like the look of these, just like I liked the contemptor dreads. Seeing as these only cost a couple of bucks more than a GW terminator squad, I'll most likely start a Deathwing army if they release a melee squad.

I like the way the heads/cowls look but the rest of the model is straight up boring as many others have said, regular terms look better.

I like them better than the Kubuki mask-looking, standard ones.

Really don't like these. Totally prefer GW's terminators. Thumbs down.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe that's what they're trying. Maybe this is the 'modern' version of that type of Terminator armour.

I think its a bit of an amalgamation of the the three proto-terminator miniatures. It kinda has that torso, with sorta the shoulder pads of this guy:

and the helmet and rear side detail of the third one:

The legs arguably generic but also arguably similar in different ways to all three as well.

I think they're alright. Me I sculpted my own version of the that Mk1 terminator to use with the modern legs. So I have my own pre-heresy terminators already.

I dont like em. I think they look better porportioned than regular termies but they just scream Mini Contemptor. I dont really like the Contemptor.

TAKE MY MONEY FORGE WORLD, TAKE IT!!!!! >:3

damn those things look cute ^_^

The only thing out of place with these are the shoulder pads, (which match the style of shoulder pad the new Minotaur character has as well.)

They would look great with regular terminator shoulder pads, or even the "pre heresy style" ones that some of the 3rd party companies are making.

I actually kind of like the mini-contemptor look of these models. I'll keep up hope they'll make a couple other variants including the bulkier terminators from the heresy era I always imagined. I'm probably not going to pick them up unless they give us some weapon packs with th/ss, lc, assault cannons, cyclone missles etc.

whitedragon wrote:They would look great with regular terminator shoulder pads, or even the "pre heresy style" ones that some of the 3rd party companies are making.

"Please note that these models are not compatible with our range of Terminator Shoulder Pads."

Unfortunately, you'd probably need to custom make those.

Looks like crap. The only thing I actually like is the way the exhausts look. Poses are boring, the heads are boring, legs are boring.

And those shoulder pads....

They remind me of grey knights, cool... but not great.

I personally hate these.

I love the RT era inspired models forgeworld makes. I love a lot of stuff about forgeworld.

I REALLY want to like these. I really really do. But they don't feel like 40k models to me. My first thought on seeing these was they are made an outsider who doesn't know 40k very well. I don't like them in the slightest.

I wonder how compatible they are with the current terminator arms. Could be some cool conversions from this stuff.

I really like the weapons, helmet, arms and torso, also on the back, but I have to admit that the shoulderguards look out of place and the proportions could be better.

The more I look at these the more I don't like them.

Lets start with actual flaws before I get to my opinions.
The eye ridge (where a human's eyebrows would be) isn't centered. Thus giving the models the impression of smirking.
The fact that no living human could wear those suits due to the fact that your shoulders would have to come out of your ears. Terminators have always been bad at this but these kits take it to a T.
The eagle is REALLY badly sculpted. Every one of them the chest eagle is off center and very "globby" sculpted. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a greenstuff casting of another one.
The left and right shoulderpads are sculpted different. Notice the gap between the "Ball" and the shoulderplate is different on each side.
You only get 4 bolters. Yeah you're FORCED to use the Heavy Flamer they give you because you're not given another bolter arm. This means should I choose to field, oh I don't know, say cyclone missile launchers or just bolters... I'm buying 3 sets.

Opinions:
Poses. Why is one dancing? Why are others holding their arms at 45 degree angles? Did these guys to to the same school of thought that crazy stupid over the top poses are the only way to work (I'm looking at you new vampire ghoul things).
Backpack on a terminator?! REALLY? Nothing screams defensive armor like "Unplug this thing right here and I'll be useless."
Thigh plates. Why is it a separate piece? That implies movement. No human being can turn himself 90 degrees to the left or right, it just simply isn't done.

I really really REALLY want to like these but every time I go back to them I just find more and more problems. Are they fixable? Everything but the proportions probably, but its not really worth it for the amount of money forgeworld charges. I can only assume that some character will come out later wearing this armor that will look amazing and maybe I can get a few of him. Or maybe they'll resculpt then wehn the CC and other weapon options come out. But until that time consider this to be the only forgeworld marine release I simply do not like. To me they look to much like some companies attempt at "Genetically Engineered Future Space Knightly Soldiers"

Hmm, legs look like 1970's cybermen walking, and thats not fancy walking.

I don't get all the complaints. This is the first release that has given me pause or note to even come to Dakka and post in the past like 4-5 months!

These are not the pre-heresy terminators we all wanted, but let's face it, they are pretty cool and you can swap out the Mk IV helmets for crusader style helmets etc.. to make some very cool conversions.

We know based on precedent , FW is going to release multiple options and weapon packs for these guys. Also, you could convert normal terminator weapons to work, so no sense in whining about only a Heavy Flamer.

If any recent release would get me to spend money on FW/GW, it would be these bad boys. I can confirm however after a long conversation with a friend up in Nottingham that at present, there are NO plans in the near future to do any more variants of terminator armor.

If you want pre-heresy armor, it might be next year.


Cheers,


Will

I really wanted to like these...

We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.

I was hoping for something closer to this though:



Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.

I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!

Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...

We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.

I was hoping for something closer to this though:



Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.

I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!

I agree, those would have been much cooler. Next year.

Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...

We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.

I was hoping for something closer to this though:



Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.

I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!

While not a fan of that style of Terminator armor, I'd kill for some over-under storm bolters.

Then Forgeworld can have my money next year,this year it still goes to Max-Mini

Eisenhorn wrote:Then Forgeworld can have my money next year,this year it still goes to Max-Mini

What does max-mini have to compare to FW? o.O

I think it's interesting. These could well be the most if-not-reviled-then-at-least-deeply-disappointed-in FW releases of all time. Variant Terminators should have been an easy slam dunk for sculptors who have already done a dozen kits of Space Marine variants.

Agreed!

A rare swing and miss/misjudge from FW...

I guess FW wanted to get away from the "legs with rebar" look and they did that well enough. I think I dislike the shoulders most because they deviate so much from the current norm. Still, I might get some to do as Sergants or such.

The hate and dislike has nothing to do with the models. It has to do with you all expecting a different release in terms of terminators. For most people anyways.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I think it's interesting. These could well be the most if-not-reviled-then-at-least-deeply-disappointed-in FW releases of all time. Variant Terminators should have been an easy slam dunk for sculptors who have already done a dozen kits of Space Marine variants.

You're right in a sense, I think.

The problem isn't that "Oh it's variant Terminators--yawn!".
The problem is that the revilement/disappointment is stemming from "It's variant Terminators--but they don't look like the artwork that I wanted them to look like!".

For the record?
I don't like them myself; but that's more because I don't really like the Maximus helmet to begin with and the idea of a Terminator with an exposed powerplant is silly.

Foda_Bett wrote:
I can only assume that some character will come out later wearing this armor that will look amazing and maybe I can get a few of him.

Well, the new minotaurs character is wearing this suit. Only problem is that it would cost 150 quid to make a 5-man squad of him!

Pretty bland over all

Kanluwen wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:I think it's interesting. These could well be the most if-not-reviled-then-at-least-deeply-disappointed-in FW releases of all time. Variant Terminators should have been an easy slam dunk for sculptors who have already done a dozen kits of Space Marine variants.

You're right in a sense, I think.

The problem isn't that "Oh it's variant Terminators--yawn!".
The problem is that the revilement/disappointment is stemming from "It's variant Terminators--but they don't look like the artwork that I wanted them to look like!".

For the record?
I don't like them myself; but that's more because I don't really like the Maximus helmet to begin with and the idea of a Terminator with an exposed powerplant is silly.

Not forgetting those of us who dislike the stance and posing of them. I mean look at this one. He's practically dancing - anyone fancy a jig?

IdentifyZero wrote:The hate and dislike has nothing to do with the models. It has to do with you all expecting a different release in terms of terminators. For most people anyways.

Uh... No it doesn't. It has to do with the ugly miniatures.

whitedragon wrote:The only thing out of place with these are the shoulder pads, (which match the style of shoulder pad the new Minotaur character has as well.)

They would look great with regular terminator shoulder pads, or even the "pre heresy style" ones that some of the 3rd party companies are making.

That is what I was going to say, get some max mini shoulder pads and mix and match and these have potential. They also look like they might be a nice base for true scale marines if the head is not attached.

I cant believe anyone was surprised by the 'mini-contemptor' look. Wasn't it obvious?

TACTICAL DREADNAUGHT ARMOR = scaled down dreadnaught

I will say that the biggest detractor for me is the tiny shoulderpads and the awful maximus helmet. A mkiii helmet would have been infinitely better.

I will stick with Maxmini shoulderpad and head swaps to get the older feel from my terminators. (Which can be viewed in the link in my signature)

SickSix wrote:I cant believe anyone was surprised by the 'mini-contemptor' look. Wasn't it obvious?

TACTICAL DREADNAUGHT ARMOR = scaled down dreadnaught

Note that Terminators have always been called that, yet regular termies don't look like washing machines on legs.

FWIW, these are kinda growing on me.

IdentifyZero wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...

We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.

I was hoping for something closer to this though:



Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.

I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!

I agree, those would have been much cooler. Next year.

i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops

Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...

We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.

I was hoping for something closer to this though:



Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.

I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!

You'd want them to have the correct number of fingers though... Right?

I'm a little undecided on these. I like the idea of scaling down the Comtemptor... but if these are supposed to be more mobile than regular terminators, why do half of them look like they are in the process of losing their balance?

The legs need some re-posing, and the back of the armour looks like it has been cobbled together from spare parts.

I do like the torso, and it's a little more apparent on these guys that the head is sitting about the shoulders, rather than coming out the front of the chest like on regular Termies.

TyraelVladinHurst wrote:i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops

The problem is that relies upon the assumption of Forge World wanting to release models based upon that artwork.

They likely knew the reaction to these models would be far, far, far less than favorable--but they did it anyways.

But here's a few rather choice statements from FW's Facebook page:

Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.

Forge World wrote:‎Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

I dunno how I feel about these if I'm honest. I like the whole 'Contemptor' look they have going on about them, and I think their power packs on the armour is kinda nice, but they really don't scream 'Terminator' at me. I know they're supposed to be a lighter more mobile variant, but I think they've lost what was quintessentially 'Terminator' in the process. I really can't make my mind up about them, but I can't see myself buying some.

ph34r wrote:The kit includes the "never include" option of heavy flamer, so in reality this kit contains 4 full terminators.

Or you could do some conversions to make it work?

Forge World Open Day, 1st April, Warhammer World, Nottingham [\quote]
People get to Forge World on Open Day only to find them gone to the Bahamas for a week. Happy April 1!!!!

But on the subject of the new Termies, I kinda like them. Not 100% in love, but there are definitely some nods I appreciate. I like the old pattern bolter design for the storm bolters and part of the Mark IV power plant design on the back. Some of it definitely looks newer than older to me - like the manueverability granted by the reduced shoulderplates.

I could see buying a few of these, but not really mixing them with the regular Deathwing terminators I've already got. If I were to start up a new chapter, maybe then....Or maybe if I ran them alongside a contemptor dread. Anyways kudos to FW.