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Post by: IGdude354
If the Emperor somehow got off the Golden Throne, would he be accepting of the current xenophobic and backwards society, or would he adapt?
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Post by: Durza
He'd be pretty happy about the Xenophobic, but he'd likely try stop the Emperor worship and radical Inquisitors.
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Post by: DrimGark
It would be like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1_6D9QS9Y
A LOT like that. Just with 40k and the Emp. Instead of the Autobots and Optimus Prime.
I assume Calegar would also be told to guard the base.
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Post by: sumi808
HAHAHAH that optimus video is funny as HAHAH.
Totally agree with calgar !
I imagine the emperor would heal the primarch of the ultramarines, grab dorn, gulliman and kick the snot out of the lion for hidin in his rock like a panzy then set out on a crusade to find russ. One he finds russ he'll lay the smackdown on the tau and go bug hunting
HE would be happy about the grey knights and ordo heretics. He would get the officio assinators to go on a killing spree and purge the imperium of the people who are not up to standard
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Post by: IGdude354
@ Vendetta 476: Yeah I saw that one before 
@ DrimGark: that'd be great... instead of robot- infecting spores... Tyranids!
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Post by: Red Comet
He would probably freak out. I have a feeling that if he woke up he would accept that people view him as a god, since humanity needs something to believe in. He would probably accept this for the good of mankind, but he would probably want to fix a lot of the wrongs that the Imperium does.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Emperor: I awake at last. Summon my Legions...
Roboute Guilliman: Um....
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Post by: chaos0xomega
I could see him starting a civil war within the Imperium, to eliminate the ecclesiarchy, inquisition, and associated bureaucratic entities. Those saying that he would be happy to be seen as a god and to see his 'enlightened human society' reduced to what is essentially techno-barbarism need to read some more horus heresy fluff...
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Post by: Jefffar
Emperor: "Oooohhh my head . . . that's the last time I let Russ plan the victory party. "
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Post by: KplKeegan
*The Emperor looks at the Tech Priest*
Emperor: Are the Orks gone yet?
*The Tech Priest, taken aback, only shakes his head*
Emperor: Damnit! Put me back under.
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Post by: IGdude354
Yeah... having an entire galaxy of fanatic humans worshipping him as a god... Word Bearers, anyone?
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Although I dont think he would go as far as to incite a civil war, because that would leave the Imperium open to attack. Maybe he would try to win the whole fething thing, then reforming the Imperium if the Imperium is victorious.
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Post by: wpago
He wouldnt do away with the inquistion since he was the one who created them.
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Post by: Dannyevilguy
Well the necrons secretly infected the golden throne with a virus that has been slowly rewriting the memories of the emperor so that when he awakens he shall be loyal to them.
There we go. Now that I said it, no authors will be crazy enough to try to use it.
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Post by: Private_Joker
The worsest case of morning wood.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
It would be interesting if the Emperor was woken up, but had gone completely crazy from being mentally spread amongst the entire Imperium to hold it together.
All his loyal servants would stare and mumble, "Uhm, this isn't what we intended....sir?"
So essentially- the Transformers video that DrimGark posted.
*Actually, wasn't there an Inquisitor series along this same line?
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Post by: Nrljm
Emperor wakes up, everyone gathers around.
"emperor, emperor what do you have to say after being gone for so long?"
The emperor : I ..... I.... I Need to pee.
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Post by: Brother Coa
BaronIveagh wrote:Emperor: I awake at last. Summon my Legions...
Roboute Guilliman: Um....
This one is pure gold. To the OP: he would start "cleaning" the Imperium from all the factors he didn't want to see in his empire. Or this: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Emperor%27s_To-Do_List
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Post by: rockerbikie
Emperor: "What do you mean I'm a god! I need some explanations now! The Sisters of Battle, Inquistors and the Black Templars must be hunted down."
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Post by: Tadashi
He won't get rid of the Inquisition, since He commanded Malcador personally to form it after the Istvaan V Drop-Site Massacre. The Ecclesiarchy will probably have it's dogma and doctrine overhauled though; the Emperor won't risk inciting civil war by disbanding it, rather, he'd try and change it from within, slowly reintroducing rationality and reason, similar to modern day Catholicism. The Emperor will also overhaul the Administratum (finally!) and maybe even streamline Imperial Law and the Codex Astartes. Innovation may also return under the Emperor, Him being the Omnissiah and all. The Inquisition will probably be centralized, with all Ordos being placed under direct Imperial control, and no longer subject to the High Lords of Terra whatsoever.
"In the 14th Black Crusade, for the first time since the Horus Heresy, traitor forces reached Holy Terra itself...their triumph would be short-lived though, as Warmaster Abaddon the Despoiler was personally OBLITERATED by the Emperor, after having both Drach'nyen and the Talon of Horus shattered with a single blow from the Emperor's Runesword and Eagle Claw...traitor forces were driven back to the Eye of Terror with 80% losses...Primarchs Lion and Guilliman leading the Imperial armies alongside the Emperor...Fulgrim's efforts to personally challenge the Emperor failed, as he was defeated after Draigo cut off all three arms before being slain, after which Russ cut off the last arm and beheaded Fulgrim...Imperial forces claimed victory after the Chaos defeat at Cadia, with Lorgar the Aurelian banished by Guilliman and Magnus the Red committing physical and spiritual suicide after confronting and learning the truth from the Emperor..."
- Final Warhammer 40,000 Codex
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Post by: Hlaine Larkin mk2
at first: Horror.
the Horror that his dream was twisted by people serving only himself.
Shock at the worship of him: at odds with his dream.
after the initial shock he would rally his Custodians to him and the Grey Knights. Recall Vulkan and Lorgar and lead a new crusade out of Terra: after the High Lords of Terra swear fealty to him or die. He will lead the first crusade into the eye and destroy abbadon and his sol like he did to horus.
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Post by: Tadashi
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:at first: Horror.
the Horror that his dream was twisted by people serving only himself.
Shock at the worship of him: at odds with his dream.
after the initial shock he would rally his Custodians to him and the Grey Knights. Recall Vulkan and Lorgar and lead a new crusade out of Terra: after the High Lords of Terra swear fealty to him or die. He will lead the first crusade into the eye and destroy abbadon and his sol like he did to horus.
Lorgar?
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Post by: Pilau Rice
Screw this, I'm going back to bed ...
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Post by: Tadashi
How about: "...you guys are ruining my zen!"
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Post by: Fralethepalewhale
First things first, he would use the can. THEN get down to business.
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Post by: IGdude354
Or it could turn out that he was possesed sometime when he was on the golden throne... 
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Post by: Ruarinator2
He would probably be assailed by every daemon and chaos marine in existence, not to mention a few xenos who had heard of his awakening. If he managed to fight them off he would then go about killing all heretics, xenos, daemons ect.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
wpago wrote:He wouldnt do away with the inquistion since he was the one who created them.
While true, I dont think *this* is quite what he had in mind for them...
There is a big difference between an internal affairs task force and self-purging/a witch hunt.
The Ecclesiarchy will probably have it's dogma and doctrine overhauled though; the Emperor won't risk inciting civil war by disbanding it, rather, he'd try and change it from within, slowly reintroducing rationality and reason, similar to modern day Catholicism.
You sure about that? Considering that during the Unification Wars he attacked religion directly and went so far as to personally visit the last church on terra before destroying it.
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Post by: Jefffar
He'd probably get sick of Tau emissary dropping by with pamphlets wanting to talk about the Greater Good.
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Post by: pretre
chaos0xomega wrote:You sure about that? Considering that during the Unification Wars he attacked religion directly and went so far as to personally visit the last church on terra before destroying it.
He'd have to work up to it, if he wanted to do that. Combatting religion one world at a time is different from combatting a religion that stretches across your entire empire and counts as its adherents every single loyal human.
IMO, the Emperor is well aware of what is going on and has been doing what he can. He probably would grudgingly accept the current state while trying to evolve the Imperium and move it forward. He's the most intelligent human in the universe; he's not going to do anything stupid like start a civil war.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Considering that the Imperium was in effect created from Civil War (Unification/Great Crusade), I'm not so sure about that. Especially considering that the Imperium is not at all what he intended to create or what he hoped for/wanted, he might see it easier to just start over anew rather than try to fix something so hideously broken to be virtually unrepairable.
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Post by: pretre
chaos0xomega wrote:Considering that the Imperium was in effect created from Civil War (Unification/Great Crusade), I'm not so sure about that. Especially considering that the Imperium is not at all what he intended to create or what he hoped for/wanted, he might see it easier to just start over anew rather than try to fix something so hideously broken to be virtually unrepairable.
Apples and oranges.
The Imperium was created by Civil War on Terra. One planet. He gathered his forces and overwhelmed all opposition. He then systematically moved from system to system bringing each planet back into compliance. He did it smart.
If he woke up and immediately declared the Ecclesiarchy illegal, he would have the Heresy all over again. Some people would immediately join his side, others would break away and it would be a giant mess. (Not to mention the folks that would figure it is all a chaos trick.) He would then have to go out and bring into compliance all of those planets again. Giant PITA.
If he instead, woke up, calmly assessed the situation and then worked to change things (keep in mind that there are kabillions (real number) of humans in the universe now). We can't even conceive of the scale of the Administratum and how it runs things. He can't just step up and say 'Yeah, so starting tomorrow this is how things works...'. The entire thing will break and he'll be worse off than he was pre-heresy.
Right now, whether you like the way it does it or not, the only thing keeping humanity from being eaten by the things that go bump is the Imperium and the immense bureaucracy behind it. Ruining that would only make it easier for all the forces arrayed against it to win.
I assume, since I'm a dumb normal guy, that the Emperor could see all these things better than I and make a good decision.
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Post by: black templar
rockerbikie wrote:Emperor: "What do you mean I'm a god! I need some explanations now! The Sisters of Battle, Inquistors and the Black Templars must be hunted down."
HOW DARE YOU BRAND USE HERETICS? PURGE THEM WITH A MIGHTY CRUSADE!!!!!!
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Post by: Cryage
Dannyevilguy wrote:Well the necrons secretly infected the golden throne with a virus that has been slowly rewriting the memories of the emperor so that when he awakens he shall be loyal to them.
There we go. Now that I said it, no authors will be crazy enough to try to use it.
LOL Anrakyr sitting at a tomb world surrounded with monitors labeled "Emperor Vision" and a joystick in front of him.
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Post by: blazinpsycho&typhooni
Considering he's already sitting up on a golden "throne" I don't think he'd need to use the can after he woke up
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Post by: AethyrKnight
BaronIveagh wrote:Emperor: I awake at last. Summon my Legions...
Roboute Guilliman: Um....
Ahahahaha... brilliant.
It'd probably devolve into a second civil war, with half following the Emperor, and the other half assuming it can't possibly be him. This is partially why the Inquisition hates the Illuminati so much, and (for the most part) opposes the 'Star Child' prophecy-thing.
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Post by: Agiel
*Wakes up, sees how screwed up the Imperium is, the Tyranids barreling down on Terra, and how he's got his work cut out for him*
"Aw, f*** it."
*Goes back to sleep on the Golden Throne*
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Post by: Kettu
chaos0xomega wrote:You sure about that? Considering that during the Unification Wars he attacked religion directly and went so far as to personally visit the last church on terra before destroying it.
He potentially did personally approve the Sisters of Battle though.
Plus, he wanted to do away with religion BEFORE Chaos was known about as reason and ignorance are highly beneficial to resisting Chaos.
That, evidently, didn't work out so well.
Now that Chaos is pretty well known, the Church is the next best thing to fighting against and resisting Chaos.
Plus, you know, he'd have an instant army that is loved Imperium wide, is located on almost every world, that is the second most resistant to Chaos's allure, is the most highly trained of any non-altered human force and is 100% loyal to ONLY HIM!
To purge the Sisterhood and the Ecclesiarchy, which undoubtedly what holds the Imperium together spiritually, just because he's previous plan failed would be the most stupid and tactically erroneous moves he could ever make.
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Post by: pretre
Kettu wrote:He potentially did personally approve the Sisters of Battle though.
Not that I don't agree with the rest of your points, but citation needed...
Plus, he wanted to do away with religion BEFORE Chaos was known about as reason and ignorance are highly beneficial to resisting Chaos.
That, evidently, didn't work out so well.
Now that Chaos is pretty well known, the Church is the next best thing to fighting against and resisting Chaos.
Plus, you know, he'd have an instant army that is loved Imperium wide, is located on almost every world, that is the second most resistant to Chaos's allure, is the most highly trained of any non-altered human force and is 100% loyal to ONLY HIM!
To purge the Sisterhood and the Ecclesiarchy, which undoubtedly what holds the Imperium together spiritually, just because he's previous plan failed would be the most stupid and tactically erroneous moves he could ever make.
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Post by: Kettu
pretre wrote:Not that I don't agree with the rest of your points, but citation needed...
It's in the Sisterhood's Origin story.
The Custode leads Alicia and her five closest officers of the Brides of the Emperor into the very throne room itself.
What happened in their is not given but when they come back out they had changed and each had received a separate vision that became their guiding principal and ideal since then.
It's believed that the heads of each of the Big Six Orders all know and still follow these visions.
That and the head of the Custodes defended the Sisters post-Vandire in keeping them on as the Ecclesiarchy's Chamber Militant.
The Custodes are likely the only remaining people in the Imperium that hold the Emperor's vision true to how it was. So that likely also counts as well.
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Post by: pretre
I guess... I had always pictured that as the same kind of unclear 'divine inspiration' that they get now.
I can definitely see your point though.
It also comes down to whether you think that their faith powers are 'granted' by the Emperor or not. Truly, does 'The Emperor Protect'?
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Post by: Smolo82
rockerbikie wrote:Emperor: "What do you mean I'm a god! I need some explanations now! The Sisters of Battle, Inquistors and the Black Templars must be hunted down."
If that is true the GK started on the SoB front...
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Post by: Nagashek
Actually, instead of killing Fulgrim, he might even try to separate the demon from Fulgrim. He may, in fact, order the whole of the Grey Knights with Draigo taking point to head into the Warp, find Fulgrim, and capture him so that the Emperor could banish the demon possessing him. Once released, a fascinating story would be the Emperor's Children on a crusade of Pennance making the works of the Black Templars look like a petulant "sorry" from a six year old to her Kindergarten teacher, with Fulgrim at their head. And, since Fulgrim is obsessed with perfection, nothing they do would be good enough. Ever. But still trying...
The Emperor himself would disolve the Ecclisiarchy. What are they going to do? Revolt? "How DARE the Holy Emperor go against the word of the... Holy... Emperor... Um... He's uh... a... Heretic...? Um. Shoot. We're confused now." This, of course, is assuming he has been unaware while on the Throne. If he is aware, He could be planning to change the Ecclesiarchy of the Emperor to the Ecclisiarchy of Mankind, where chaplains now call out words of defiance and extoll the virtues of man, give the teachings of the Living Emperor to them, and remind them that every death drives humanity onward. Humanity: the greatest and most promising race in the galaxy, whose manifest destiny is to rule the stars by right of their own will, greatness, and unending toil. Gone are sermons preaching the greatness of His Divinity, and now are the stories of the awesome that is Man. With His guidence, of course.
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Post by: Brother Ramses
The first thing he does it take a leak. Afterwards he finds Russ because the first thing you do when you clean house is get a really good exterminator.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
This is what I think would happen if the emprah were to wake up :
He will look around his empire, at the Ad Mech, at the Eccleisarchy and their little personality cult, and at the inquisition, and say, quite loudly,
WHAT THE feth IS THIS gak!
Or something like that. He certainly will not be happy.
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Post by: Psienesis
The AdMech predates the Imperium. He most certainly knows it exists. After all, he struck the deals with them to begin the Great Crusade.
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Post by: Ignatius
I think the thing that would piss him off most is the Ecclesiarchy. They are preaching one of the things that he warned against most. He told one of his own sons with one of the largest legions "Hey. Knock it off." for starting to think something like that. And we know what tempure tantrum that lead to.
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Post by: ContemplativeSphinx
Highly complicated question when you think about it.
If he "woke up" - a few things have to be considered.
1.) Is he still sane? - 10,000 years stuck in the Warp, fighting off Chaos can do a lot to a person (that is of course if we accept what people say about him to be true).
2.) How cognizant has he been in those last 10,000 years? (Is it literally waking up and going WTF?! or has he been watching everything like a geist, barely able to effect change but taking copious notes in his head like "That Ciaphas Cain chap is hilarious.")
3.) What can he bring to the table? (The Fluff Fanion still go bonkers about whether the Emprah is more powerful than all Four Chaos Gods or just the most powerful psyker in existence).
Truth be told, if you look over all the HH material and even the pre- HH GW material, if the Emperor is still functional after his experiences, what one is probably going to see is Major Reform. Let me repeat that.. Reform, not Revolution.
If there is one personality trait that one can pick out from all the views we've ever received about the Big E, its that the man is a Pragmatist in terms of the methods he employs. i know folks are going to point out dear old Lorgar or the "The Last Chapel" story for the whole religion thing, but put that in the context of his life. The man did not wake up every single morning going "RARRR DIE RELIGION DIE!" since his early childhood in Anatolia. Heck, he could have easily stopped the formation of many of the worlds religions if he felt it was necessary.
But his primary goal has always been "How to Beat Chaos an secure Mankind's dominion over the Universe."
As two other folks on this thread stated - the Imperial Truth propaganda machine made a lot of sense at the time. Mankind didn't believe in Demons or Chaos and had very little knowledge of the Warp. If he completed his "Hijack the Webway" project, mankind could have bypassed the Warp completely and starve out the Chaos Gods...or so he thought.
Remember kiddies, Khorne isn't just some dude that a bunch of people dreamnt up one idle day on Earth. Khorne is the collection of every moment of Violence man (and alien) has ever felt/will ever feel. All the Chaos Gods formed not out of our beliefs, but from our emotions.
That makes "beating Chaos" a little more complicated right ? Cause even if you found a way to smash Khorne, Grandpa Nurgle, et al. a version of them would reform in the Warp or perhaps a new God so long as those emotions continue to exist.
And those emotions are going to continue to exist so long as People (man and alien) do.
his
at best, what he can do is simply try to put Chaos on the defensive. the Imperium has always reacted to threats, not really been that proactive about going after trouble.
soo..
1.) We can see a clean up of the Ecclesiarchy - he won't can it. there's no point. In fact he can use it to broadcast his own socio-political agenda in the context of religion. Its not simply now that the Emperor Protects. But the Emperor Demands You Learn! And Be Kind to Each Other..or BURN HERETI- oh er..sorry. Old habits.
2.) Diplomacy with the Tau and Eldar.
Wait wait. i know what your thinking. "The Emperor hates Xenos." Again, that old 34th Millenium policy makes sense...for the 34th millenium. Times and circumstances have changed.
Don't get me wrong, diplomacy =/= Super Friends. It simply means cutting deals -esp. since there are collective threats to take care of.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Psienesis wrote:The AdMech predates the Imperium. He most certainly knows it exists. After all, he struck the deals with them to begin the Great Crusade.
Were they as fanatical and detrimental to progress back then as they are now?
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Post by: masterblaster
Hit the Snooze button. and try agian later
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Post by: Viersche
Prolly going to scratch his head at how much more effed up the imperium has become during his nap...
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Post by: Tadashi
ContemplativeSphinx wrote:
Truth be told, if you look over all the HH material and even the pre- HH GW material, if the Emperor is still functional after his experiences, what one is probably going to see is Major Reform. Let me repeat that.. Reform, not Revolution.
If there is one personality trait that one can pick out from all the views we've ever received about the Big E, its that the man is a Pragmatist in terms of the methods he employs. i know folks are going to point out dear old Lorgar or the "The Last Chapel" story for the whole religion thing, but put that in the context of his life. The man did not wake up every single morning going "RARRR DIE RELIGION DIE!" since his early childhood in Anatolia. Heck, he could have easily stopped the formation of many of the worlds religions if he felt it was necessary.
But his primary goal has always been "How to Beat Chaos an secure Mankind's dominion over the Universe."
As two other folks on this thread stated - the Imperial Truth propaganda machine made a lot of sense at the time. Mankind didn't believe in Demons or Chaos and had very little knowledge of the Warp. If he completed his "Hijack the Webway" project, mankind could have bypassed the Warp completely and starve out the Chaos Gods...or so he thought.
Remember kiddies, Khorne isn't just some dude that a bunch of people dreamnt up one idle day on Earth. Khorne is the collection of every moment of Violence man (and alien) has ever felt/will ever feel. All the Chaos Gods formed not out of our beliefs, but from our emotions.
That makes "beating Chaos" a little more complicated right ? Cause even if you found a way to smash Khorne, Grandpa Nurgle, et al. a version of them would reform in the Warp or perhaps a new God so long as those emotions continue to exist.
And those emotions are going to continue to exist so long as People (man and alien) do.
his
at best, what he can do is simply try to put Chaos on the defensive. the Imperium has always reacted to threats, not really been that proactive about going after trouble.
soo..
1.) We can see a clean up of the Ecclesiarchy - he won't can it. there's no point. In fact he can use it to broadcast his own socio-political
agenda in the context of religion. Its not simply now that the Emperor Protects. But the Emperor Demands You Learn! And Be Kind to Each Other..or BURN HERETI- oh er..sorry. Old habits.
2.) Diplomacy with the Tau and Eldar.
Wait wait. i know what your thinking. "The Emperor hates Xenos." Again, that old 34th Millenium policy makes sense...for the 34th millenium. Times and circumstances have changed.
Don't get me wrong, diplomacy =/= Super Friends. It simply means cutting deals -esp. since there are collective threats to take care of.
Well said. As I've stated earlier in this thread, and what you and so many others have stated, is that we won't be seeing any drastic changes or rather attempts to go "back in time" so to speak. Complete overhaul of the Administratum, centralization of the Inquisition, "modernization" of the Ecclesiarchy and Mechanicus, reorganization of the Astartes, and more tolerance to relatively benign xenos races is proabably what we're gonna see should the Emperor return.
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Post by: admiral9
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Psienesis wrote:The AdMech predates the Imperium. He most certainly knows it exists. After all, he struck the deals with them to begin the Great Crusade.
Were they as fanatical and detrimental to progress back then as they are now?
The emperor created the mechanicum by locking up the void dragon in mars. They got their innovation and mechanical facination from that. The adeptus mechanicum made some discoveries like knights and the titans. (imperator, warlord and stuff)
So the emperor would give them approval to produce land raiders and land speeders for the guard again. And as he is the ´´omnisiah´´ they will think its completely A OK to research again.
My reference mainly comes from the HH novel mechanicum my first BL book and the best one in my opinion.
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Post by: Grey Templar
The question in this thread assumes the Emperor isn't aware of what is going on in the Imperium.
He has a pretty good idea of what has happened over the 10,000 years. Maybe not everything but he isn't clueless.
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Post by: ContemplativeSphinx
Tadashi wrote:Well said. As I've stated earlier in this thread, and what you and so many others have stated, is that we won't be seeing any drastic changes or rather attempts to go "back in time" so to speak. Complete overhaul of the Administratum, centralization of the Inquisition, "modernization" of the Ecclesiarchy and Mechanicus, reorganization of the Astartes, and more tolerance to relatively benign xenos races is proabably what we're gonna see should the Emperor return.
People have to keep in mind that there's a difference between the Man an the Role he made up. After watching humanity silently for eons, the Man developed this Role "Emperor of Mankind" cause he thought the situation demanded it and instituted a set of policies that he mistakenly thought would nip Chaos in the Bud. He thought that by projecting this image of a Philosopher-King/War Hero -a cross between Plato and Genghis Khan..Plato Khan?- that it would be enough to inspire and unite humanity.
instead it got him killed.
But funny thing is while the Man may have died (or been put out of commission for 10,000 years), his Role did not. In fact it took on a life of its own. And that's what he'd be stepping back into - not the role of "Emperor of Mankind', the role he wanted to enforce on the people, but rather as God-Emperor - the Role that People needed of him in the grimdark of the 42nd century.
And he will play that role to the hilt, because the alternative is to watch the Imperium burn.
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Post by: Mike101
IGdude354 wrote:If the Emperor somehow got off the Golden Throne, would he be accepting of the current xenophobic and backwards society, or would he adapt?
two things may/ may not happen :
1) He would be very very pissed and b* slap every one for whorshiping him and correct those errors and disband the High lords of Terra and resume with the great crusade and end the Xenophobic hoop-lah
2) Still b*slap the people and re focus on the homefront for the protection of his people and and conform to the Xenophobism that has taken over Terra and still disband the High lords
Also i think he would reestablish the Legions as there were when he was in turned in the throne
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Post by: Tadashi
Mike101 wrote:IGdude354 wrote:If the Emperor somehow got off the Golden Throne, would he be accepting of the current xenophobic and backwards society, or would he adapt?
two things may/ may not happen :
1) He would be very very pissed and b* slap every one for whorshiping him and correct those errors and disband the High lords of Terra and resume with the great crusade and end the Xenophobic hoop-lah
2) Still b*slap the people and re focus on the homefront for the protection of his people and and conform to the Xenophobism that has taken over Terra and still disband the High lords
Also i think he would reestablish the Legions as there were when he was in turned in the throne
I would agree with the second, but I don't think He'd re-establish the legions or disband the High Lords; more likely, He'd rewrite the Codex Astartes to be more flexible and overhaul the Administratum and Ecclesiarchy and centralize the Inquisition.
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Post by: Sencho
First of all I think he would take a look at the new Necrons codex and say "Seriously?! Now they are just Tomb Kings in space. Lame."
The next thing he would do is finish Mass Effect 3, be disappointed, and then hold out hope that the indoctrination theory is true. Oh wait, that's me! I'm sure his reaction would be similar though.
But seriously, isn't having the Emperor plugged up to the Golden Throne what makes the Astronomican work? Does his waking up effectively destroy space travel for humans?
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Post by: Mike101
Tadashi wrote:Mike101 wrote:IGdude354 wrote:If the Emperor somehow got off the Golden Throne, would he be accepting of the current xenophobic and backwards society, or would he adapt?
two things may/ may not happen :
1) He would be very very pissed and b* slap every one for whorshiping him and correct those errors and disband the High lords of Terra and resume with the great crusade and end the Xenophobic hoop-lah
2) Still b*slap the people and re focus on the homefront for the protection of his people and and conform to the Xenophobism that has taken over Terra and still disband the High lords
Also i think he would reestablish the Legions as there were when he was in turned in the throne
I would agree with the second, but I don't think He'd re-establish the legions or disband the High Lords; more likely, He'd rewrite the Codex Astartes to be more flexible and overhaul the Administratum and Ecclesiarchy and centralize the Inquisition.
for what reason would the Inquisition exist after him waking up?? They protect the worship of the him and he would not agree with there ideology along with the methods they use to do there mission
Second why wouldnt he continue the Crusade?? Humanity is in much the same stat as he left it in so there are still worlds to bring back and into the Empire
Thrid i think when the legions were split in to chapters it created a rift with in the Astrartes making them weak and dis united and this would more then likely would not make him happy also the high lords just sit around talking with there thumbs up there rear ends doing nothing like bureaucrats normally do
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Post by: Grey Templar
The Emperor founded the Inquisition personally. He most assuredly agrees with their purpose and tactics.
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Post by: Tadashi
1) The Emperor personally ordered Malcador the Siillite to establish the Inquisition after the Istvaan V Drop-Site Massacre. He has no reason to disband it. He will centralize the ordos, and streamline them, in order to reduce conflicts between Inquisitors, make the organization more efficient as a whole, and make it easier to prosecute radicals.
2) The Ecclesiarchy will not be disbanded; the Emperor if anything is pragmatic and absolutely not an idiot; He'd never risk civil war by disbanding it and outlawing religion again. He would overhaul dogma and doctrine though; He would remain the god-head and saints will continue to be revered, but the Ecclesiarchy will be less stifling to individuality and creativity, and more Human with regards to it's activities.
3) The Emperor = Omnissiah. If the Emperor returns, then finally the Mechanicus will start innovating for the first time since the Great Crusade ended. They'll get off a slow start, but considering the Imperium's vast resources, one they build up momentum, not even the Tau can keep up.
4) The Chapters will remain. There's no point in trying to integrate different Chapters with different traditions together - more trouble than it's worth. And besides, Crusade-era Expeditionary Fleets only one Grand Company in them; Grand Company = Chapter. What He'll do is rewrite the Codex Astartes to be more flexible and up to date. Less dogmatic and more flexible and creative Chapters will make Astartes even more fearsome than they alread are.
5) The Imperial Guard and Navy will probably remain the same, though the Emperor will probably overhaul combat doctrine to be less dependent on burying an enemy in corpses - add to that new innovations in Imperial technology, and well, I'm sure once that happens even the Guard can take on Tau one-on-one.
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Post by: ContemplativeSphinx
Tadashi wrote:The Emperor = Omnissiah./quote]
That in and of itself will have the most dramatic change on the Imperium's fighting capability.
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Post by: Tadashi
ContemplativeSphinx wrote:Tadashi wrote:The Emperor = Omnissiah.
That in and of itself will have the most dramatic change on the Imperium's fighting capability.
No duh. Not only will the Mechanicus start innovating, the Emperor will probaby personally direct the 're-discovery' of principles and technologies forgotten by the Mechanicus. Imagine: the Imperium was able to endure for ten millenia by using technologies uncovered/developed during the two centuries of the Great Crusade. If they start innivating again, well now, I'm sure you get the idea.
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Post by: GentlemanGuy
He would ask the doctor (who had turned up and fixed the golden throne to revive him) if he could go for a ride to the past to get away from the high lords of terra as they were big zac efron fans (the horror XO worse then the seven hells of chaos)
Sorry i havent slept at all and have been watching dr who lol
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Post by: Baldsmug
I would hope he would just die finally and be reborn as a more powerful emperor who is pissed at everyone for keeping his old corpse alive for so long when he could have just reencarnated thousands of years ago.
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Post by: Eldercaveman
If the Emperor woke up, his first thought would be..."O f#*k, where's my body!"
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Post by: Warrior Squirrel
I do not see how the Emperor would make the Mechanicus to start inventing stuff. And even if the Imperium started it would be impossible to arm all soldiers with the new tech. I do not see any real change with the Emperor taking command.
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
Emperor upon inspection of everything that has gone on:
"I knew Rowboat would  everything up  "
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Post by: Tadashi
Warrior Squirrel wrote:I do not see how the Emperor would make the Mechanicus to start inventing stuff. And even if the Imperium started it would be impossible to arm all soldiers with the new tech. I do not see any real change with the Emperor taking command.
Because under the Emperor during the Great Crusade, the Mechanicus didn't just recover old technology, they improved it and developed new ones. The only proscription was the research, development, and creation of AI's. Not to mention that I specifically said it would take centuries to equip all Imperial soldiers with new technology. And why wouldn't there be any change if the Emperor took command? For one thing, the Imperiu. Would grow more efficient and less obstructive, returning to the promise of the Great Crusade, albeit with religion and a few more proscriptions than from back then.
Afraid? I suddenly realized that there is NO chance for Imperial cooperation with the Tau, since you make use of AI's.
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Post by: Oakenshield
It seems like everybody sees the Emperor as a nice dude and sun shines out of his butt.
The Emperor didn't care about crushing religion for any reason other than denying chaos as Kettu pointed out earlier. In fact the atheist agenda he pushed out through the great crusade was a lie. He KNEW that there were gods. He KNEW that there were daemons. He kept this secret from all but a few of those closest to him. It turned out to be a miscalculation as the primarchs had know idea how to deal with near omnipotent metaphysical entities when they had to deal with them.
The whole deny chaos faith so that it will die ploy didn't work out. You could try throwing a Richard Dawkins book at a bloodthirster, but I don't think it would slow him down.
The Emperor isn't an STC machine. A lot of the tech that was lost in the Heresy predated the imperium and the emperor's return wouldn't do a whole lot to bring it back.
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Also, why would anyone think the Emperor would put a stop to xenophobia? It's kinda "his thing."
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Post by: BaronIveagh
The Emperor awakes, looks about, and says 'I need an ale and 12 Adepta Sororitas lap dancers.'
'Why, my liege?'
"Because, awaking after ten thousand years, let us say that some parts are stiffer than others..."
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Post by: Tadashi
Oakenshield wrote:It seems like everybody sees the Emperor as a nice dude and sun shines out of his butt.
The Emperor didn't care about crushing religion for any reason other than denying chaos as Kettu pointed out earlier. In fact the atheist agenda he pushed out through the great crusade was a lie. He KNEW that there were gods. He KNEW that there were daemons. He kept this secret from all but a few of those closest to him. It turned out to be a miscalculation as the primarchs had know idea how to deal with near omnipotent metaphysical entities when they had to deal with them.
The whole deny chaos faith so that it will die ploy didn't work out. You could try throwing a Richard Dawkins book at a bloodthirster, but I don't think it would slow him down.
The Emperor isn't an STC machine. A lot of the tech that was lost in the Heresy predated the imperium and the emperor's return wouldn't do a whole lot to bring it back.
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Also, why would anyone think the Emperor would put a stop to xenophobia? It's kinda "his thing."
I don't care if the Emperor isn't really a nice guy, and I don't imagine the rest of the Imperium will either. The best way to keep people happy and safe is to keep them ignorant. That's true even in the real world; remember the uproar over the leaked files in the internet? People are happy when they don't know the dirty things that happen in the background, and they don't need to know.
And the Emperor doesn't need to be an STC machine. He IS the Omnissiah - if He tells the Mechanicus to start innovating and doing proper research, His biggest problem will be trying to stop tech-priests from rampaging the archives and laboratories to beat one another in discovering and making new technologies.
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Post by: Squash
Two words. Snooze Button.
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Post by: Tadashi
Omegus wrote:
Most amusing .
But seriously, if anyone tried to do that, I'm guessing an entire section of the Imperial Palace is going to get blown out of the side of the mountain (was it Mt. Everest?) from the sheer RAGE of the Emperor. Not that it's gonna happen, of course. The Emperor is well aware of everything that's been happening. The Inner Circle of the Ordo Malleus is periodically granted an audience, not to mention the formation of the Sisters was done with Imperial approval; four (?) sisters who had an audience with the Emperor before Vandire got overthrown by the rebelling Astartes/Mechanicus.
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Post by: Warrior Squirrel
The Mechanicus are not inventors. They are hoarders.
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Post by: Henners91
I can't find the Lexicanum article and it's really bothering me, but it had an excerpt from an Inquisitor trying to seek an audience with the Emperor.
It made it pretty clear that the Emperor is conscious; hell, he's aware of a lot of thing... I mean how else would the Storm of Emperor's Wrath come about?
Long story short, Ol' Empy knows what's going on, he's occupied every second of every day battling the warp 'n' running the astronomican and whatnot. His tone in the article I couldn't find seemed to suggest that he's come to terms with it all; that ultimately Humanity is safest worshipping him. I think his ideals have been shattered by experience. Faith is all that protects humanity from the warp nowadays.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Henners91 wrote:I can't find the Lexicanum article and it's really bothering me, but it had an excerpt from an Inquisitor trying to seek an audience with the Emperor.
It made it pretty clear that the Emperor is conscious; hell, he's aware of a lot of thing... I mean how else would the Storm of Emperor's Wrath come about?
Long story short, Ol' Empy knows what's going on, he's occupied every second of every day battling the warp 'n' running the astronomican and whatnot. His tone in the article I couldn't find seemed to suggest that he's come to terms with it all; that ultimately Humanity is safest worshipping him. I think his ideals have been shattered by experience. Faith is all that protects humanity from the warp nowadays.
Unfortunately that was from the now heavily retconned Inquisition War books (you know the ones with squats and Space Marines driving Titans and flying around in the old Space Fleet ships?)
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Yup pretty much. Though I think he'd probably kill everone in the imperial palace and take control again PROPERLY
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Post by: Omegus
Yes, I don't think the Emperor would be super shocked to see what his Empire has wrought, nor would he be moved by the plight of the people (by the time things could be changed enough to make their lives better, they'd be dead anyway, so why bother?)
He'd just embrace the spirit of necessity, and take up where he left off (not that the Webway project is salvageable at this point).
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Post by: GentlemanGuy
There is the problem that the emperor is nothing more then a corpse. He would wake iup asking why all the mirrors are missing from the palace
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Post by: blood lance
He'd probably pass out instantly for another 10,000 years.
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Post by: Seanaust
I think he'd wake up and they'd tell him Abbadon had launched more crusades them him and he'd launch another crusade.
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I think he'd wake up and they'd tell him Abbadon had launched more crusades them him and he'd launch another crusade.
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Post by: Jefffar
I think he'd wake up and the Imperium would immediately collapse as the Astonomicon would fail.
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Post by: Tadashi
Warrior Squirrel wrote:The Mechanicus are not inventors. They are hoarders.
True enough, for the 41st Millennium Mechanicus.
But if the Emperor wakes up, and tells them to start inventing and innovating, they will. They'll still hoard, of course, the Treaty of Mars guarantees their monopoly on technology. But if the Omnissiah Himself (the Emperor) tells to do something, they'll do it without a second thought.
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BaronIveagh wrote:Henners91 wrote:I can't find the Lexicanum article and it's really bothering me, but it had an excerpt from an Inquisitor trying to seek an audience with the Emperor.
It made it pretty clear that the Emperor is conscious; hell, he's aware of a lot of thing... I mean how else would the Storm of Emperor's Wrath come about?
Long story short, Ol' Empy knows what's going on, he's occupied every second of every day battling the warp 'n' running the astronomican and whatnot. His tone in the article I couldn't find seemed to suggest that he's come to terms with it all; that ultimately Humanity is safest worshipping him. I think his ideals have been shattered by experience. Faith is all that protects humanity from the warp nowadays.
Unfortunately that was from the now heavily retconned Inquisition War books (you know the ones with squats and Space Marines driving Titans and flying around in the old Space Fleet ships?)
A lot of the details have been retconned, but the basic plot is still valid. None of the newer material has actually invalidated the existence of the Illuminati or the Emperor's origin story, among other things. Automatically Appended Next Post: Omegus wrote:Yes, I don't think the Emperor would be super shocked to see what his Empire has wrought, nor would he be moved by the plight of the people (by the time things could be changed enough to make their lives better, they'd be dead anyway, so why bother?)
He'd just embrace the spirit of necessity, and take up where he left off (not that the Webway project is salvageable at this point).
With regards to the Webway, He's going to have to start from scratch after a major and long-overdue oerhaul of the Golden Throne.
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Post by: Omegus
The description of the Throne's destruction by Magnus is pretty cut and dry that the damage is irreversible.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Yeah, but the Emperor built it himself. I'm sure he could get it working again.
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Post by: Omegus
The Emperor did not build it, he adapted existing technology (probably Necrontyr in origin).
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Post by: Grey Templar
O sure he used stolen technology but he still built it. he must have understood the basic principals of their operation.
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Post by: PapaPiggy
Hate to tell you guys this. He would wake up and the first words out of his mouth would be, "O man... I am tiered, I think i'll take a nap"
If he woke up, First off he would be p'd off. Thank about it. You wake up one day and see that all your children or either dead or have been trying to kill you for some time. He would have a hell of a butt rash from sitting for that long, so he wouldn't be able to sit again. He would smell so bad that he would have to take at least three showers after his first seven baths. He would be hungry, and thristy. but couldn't eat or drink anything because his body would need to readjust to solid foods.
And more than likely he would wake up with morning wood and it just wouldn't go down. So while trying to pee in the toilet he would miss it, and the maid staff would be all made and yell at him. And then word would get out about how he peed on the toilet seat. And no women would want to be with him after knowing that the god king is just a normal man. He would have to start to pay for sex, which is one step closer to becoming chaos.
When he is finally able to eat, he wouldn't know what he would want. The Mcdonalds menu probably changed a bunch and are no longer selling red meat, because he didn't kill the hippies when he had a chance.
So at the end of the day, He would go on a rampage, killing all in his wake.
Or he'd be happy to be alive and none of what i just said matters.
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Post by: Warrior Squirrel
The Emperor is not regarded as the Machine god. Only the younger Forge worlds think that. The older Forge worlds find the Emperor to be in-superior to the Machine god.
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Post by: Remulus
BaronIveagh wrote:Emperor: I awake at last. Summon my Legions...
Roboute Guilliman: Um....
lol, this comment made my day
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Post by: Dawi-Marine'Va
Warrior Squirrel wrote:The Emperor is not regarded as the Machine god. Only the younger Forge worlds think that. The older Forge worlds find the Emperor to be in-superior to the Machine god.
Other way around, actually~
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Post by: Tadashi
Warrior Squirrel wrote:The Emperor is not regarded as the Machine god. Only the younger Forge worlds think that. The older Forge worlds find the Emperor to be in-superior to the Machine god.
You really gotta read up on the fluff regarding the Mechanicus. Yes, the Emperor is not the Machine God, He is the Omnissiah, the physical incarnation of the Machine God. That's one thing keeping things cozy between Ecclesiarchy and Machine Cult. The Machine God is most likely the Void Dragon itself or a shard that was defeated by the Emperor and then imprisoned under Mars; it influenced the inhabitants of the planet, leading to the rise of the Mechanicus, and when the Emperor arrived on Mars, He as recognized as the Omnissiah by majority of the Mechanicus. Some of them did so only in name, and these guys were the first to turn to Horus; they were killed or forced to flee after the Warmaster was obliterated by the Emperor, leaving the ones who consider the Emperor as the Omnissiah in command of Mars and it's subordinate Forge Worlds.
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Post by: blazinpsycho&typhooni
Isn't it somewhere in an inquisitor story that the emperor isn't exactly sleeping?
He's pretty much aware of everything (almost) in the galaxy, so not so much react, more so, what would he do
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Post by: Grey Templar
Of course he isn't sleeping. He is perfectly concious.
He just can't do much with his physical body.
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Post by: Tadashi
blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Isn't it somewhere in an inquisitor story that the emperor isn't exactly sleeping?
He's pretty much aware of everything (almost) in the galaxy, so not so much react, more so, what would he do
He knows everything that's happening - you could say He's in a kind of limbo...
The Inquisition Wars trilogy have a lot of details that are questonably canon by now, although I would argue that the Illuminati, Sensei, and the Emperor's origins have only been 'unmentioned', and have not actually been contradicted by newer material.
The Emperor focuses the Astronomican, soul-binds Astropaths, and protects the souls of non-Chaos worshipping Humans after death...those would be His primary duties now, although it seems He directs the actions of the Ordo Malleus Inner Circle through periodic audiences, or when the Inner Circle has something they can't decide on their own.
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Post by: Omegus
Grey Templar wrote:O sure he used stolen technology but he still built it. he must have understood the basic principals of their operation.
That doesn't help him when "delicate, irreplaceable circuits overloaded and exploded" or "its impossibly complex dimensional inhibitors and warp buffers fused beyond salvage" or the "artfully designed mechanism keeping the two worlds apart was fatally fractured". The Emperor's dream of ultimate victory is ashes.
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Post by: ContemplativeSphinx
Tadashi wrote:
The Inquisition Wars trilogy have a lot of details that are questonably canon by now, although I would argue that the Illuminati, Sensei, and the Emperor's origins have only been 'unmentioned', and have not actually been contradicted by newer material.
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That. That grabs on to the very crux of the matter regarding definitions of "What the Emperor is/What would he do/etc.etc."
The uncertainty behind what is canonical and what isn't since "unmentioning" is a typical move by GW to create mystery.
When they want to outright eliminate something like the Zoats or Squats, they usually do so with a direct statement.
If they want to keep the fires burning / keep a possibility on the table for possible future use - they "unmention" and hedge their bets. they can bring it out again in a revamped format or merely "rewrite" canon and ditch it immediately.
example: When's the last time anyone has heard about Doomrider?
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Post by: Omegus
What about the Cult of the Star Child and the sensei that were destroyed at the end of the 3rd (or was it 4th?) edition rulebook?
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Post by: Tadashi
Omegus wrote:What about the Cult of the Star Child and the sensei that were destroyed at the end of the 3rd (or was it 4th?) edition rulebook?
Implied to be a cover-up by Illuminati members of the Ordo Malleus. And even if the cult was influenced by Tzeentch, the existence of the Star Child was acknowledged by the Emperor as " the spirit of goodness...we cast out...when we destroyed the insane, homicidal Horus, who once shone like the brightest star, and was once our beloved favorite...". It's clear that the Emperor knows the sacrifices made by the Imperium to protect Mankind, which reflect His own: abandoning mercy and compassion for the sake of the future - it also shows that the Emperor regrets what happened to, and what He had to do, to Horus.
Omegus wrote:Grey Templar wrote:O sure he used stolen technology but he still built it. he must have understood the basic principals of their operation.
That doesn't help him when "delicate, irreplaceable circuits overloaded and exploded" or "its impossibly complex dimensional inhibitors and warp buffers fused beyond salvage" or the "artfully designed mechanism keeping the two worlds apart was fatally fractured". The Emperor's dream of ultimate victory is ashes.
Looks like He'll have to start from scratch...the Emperor's a genius, and He's quite probably the only one left alive who knows how the Webway functions completely; the only reason He had to use roundabout means to access/build the Webway (creating tunnels with psychic abilities and letting the Webway's own regenerative abilities coat it with warp-resistant material) was because Human technology was WAY behind to even try and replicate the material.
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example: When's the last time anyone has heard about Doomrider?
As far as I know he's still alive and kicking, following the general convention of older material being valid if all players agree to it's use.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Grey Templar wrote:O sure he used stolen technology but he still built it. he must have understood the basic principals of their operation.
Logic has no place in 40k! BURN HERETIC!
All kidding aside, you're probably right, and the idea that there are 'delicate, irreplaceable circuits' belies a total ignorance of how circuits work or how they get repaired. I met the NASA qualification for rework and repair. Even if they run on magic, there's no such beast as 'irreplaceable' circuits. Some are just harder to repair than others.
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Post by: Melissia
The same way he's been reacting, because he's been guiding the Imperium in the background for some time now.
Now, if he suddenly and miraculously healed, no clue.
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Post by: Commander Ice Shade
He'd open one eye, make a witty comment on something regarding chaos or xenos, then fall back asleep.
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Post by: Sencho
I'll ask this again: Since the Emperor being plugged into the Golden Throne is one of the essential pieces of the Astronomican being able to function; does his awaking effectively negate mankinds ability to navigate the warp? The rulebook mentions a "hiccup" with the astronomican/Golden Throne in the Imperial timeline that caused fleets to get lost in the warp. Does the Emperor awakening threaten "modern" space travel for the whole Empire?
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Post by: Tadashi
Sencho wrote:I'll ask this again: Since the Emperor being plugged into the Golden Throne is one of the essential pieces of the Astronomican being able to function; does his awaking effectively negate mankinds ability to navigate the warp? The rulebook mentions a "hiccup" with the astronomican/Golden Throne in the Imperial timeline that caused fleets to get lost in the warp. Does the Emperor awakening threaten "modern" space travel for the whole Empire?
Not really. People seem to forget that the Astronomican functioned very well even when the Emperor was cusading around the whole galaxy. The only reason the Golden Throne was built in the first place was to provide a 'central control' for the effort to access and control the Webway. The 'hiccup' is was caused by a short failure in the Throne's mechanisms - the Astronomican will probably fail the instant the Emperor dies, only to reappear much brighter the instant He reincarnates. Knowing things, probably means for all the hoopla, the Emperor's probably gonna be dead for an instant before psychic might restores His body in an instant once the Throne's stasis fields go off.
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Post by: Omegus
BaronIveagh wrote:Grey Templar wrote:O sure he used stolen technology but he still built it. he must have understood the basic principals of their operation.
Logic has no place in 40k! BURN HERETIC!
All kidding aside, you're probably right, and the idea that there are 'delicate, irreplaceable circuits' belies a total ignorance of how circuits work or how they get repaired. I met the NASA qualification for rework and repair. Even if they run on magic, there's no such beast as 'irreplaceable' circuits. Some are just harder to repair than others.
I was quoting the book directly. The machine was built by god-like aliens that created most life in the galaxy. It was nearly destroyed and then cannibalized to make the Throne. The entrance into the Webway it was supposed to open is now overrun by damons. The Webway project as it was envisioned by the Emperor is dead and not even his resurrection could change that. Probably their best bet now would be to raid a few Craftworlds and coopt their technology.
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Post by: Tadashi
Omegus wrote:BaronIveagh wrote:Grey Templar wrote:O sure he used stolen technology but he still built it. he must have understood the basic principals of their operation.
Logic has no place in 40k! BURN HERETIC!
All kidding aside, you're probably right, and the idea that there are 'delicate, irreplaceable circuits' belies a total ignorance of how circuits work or how they get repaired. I met the NASA qualification for rework and repair. Even if they run on magic, there's no such beast as 'irreplaceable' circuits. Some are just harder to repair than others.
I was quoting the book directly. The machine was built by god-like aliens that created most life in the galaxy. It was nearly destroyed and then cannibalized to make the Throne. The entrance into the Webway it was supposed to open is now overrun by damons. The Webway project as it was envisioned by the Emperor is dead and not even his resurrection could change that. Probably their best bet now would be to raid a few Craftworlds and coopt their technology.
The Throne IS part of the system - it's the heart of the entire project. As long as the Throne is intact, the Imperial Webway Project is salvageable.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Omegus wrote:
I was quoting the book directly. The machine was built by god-like aliens that created most life in the galaxy. It was nearly destroyed and then cannibalized to make the Throne. The entrance into the Webway it was supposed to open is now overrun by damons. The Webway project as it was envisioned by the Emperor is dead and not even his resurrection could change that. Probably their best bet now would be to raid a few Craftworlds and coopt their technology.
Yes, but to cannibalize something for parts you have to know how it works, otherwise all you have is some pretty beads. You can't strip a machine for parts without knowing what those parts do and how they do it. (And just because it's a quote from the book does not mean it's not showing ignorance of how something works. Let us again remember that 40k Space is Flat.)
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Post by: Durza
Tadashi wrote:Omegus wrote:BaronIveagh wrote:Grey Templar wrote:O sure he used stolen technology but he still built it. he must have understood the basic principals of their operation.
Logic has no place in 40k! BURN HERETIC!
All kidding aside, you're probably right, and the idea that there are 'delicate, irreplaceable circuits' belies a total ignorance of how circuits work or how they get repaired. I met the NASA qualification for rework and repair. Even if they run on magic, there's no such beast as 'irreplaceable' circuits. Some are just harder to repair than others.
I was quoting the book directly. The machine was built by god-like aliens that created most life in the galaxy. It was nearly destroyed and then cannibalized to make the Throne. The entrance into the Webway it was supposed to open is now overrun by damons. The Webway project as it was envisioned by the Emperor is dead and not even his resurrection could change that. Probably their best bet now would be to raid a few Craftworlds and coopt their technology.
The Throne IS part of the system - it's the heart of the entire project. As long as the Throne is intact, the Imperial Webway Project is salvageable.
Not in the form originally intended though. Because of the destruction caused by Magnus, it requires constant psychic power to keep the daemons out of the human made section of the webway. If people were to actually start using that section, the power the daemons exert to try get in would likely become larger, meaning more power would be needed to keep them out. 1000 psykers dead a day is a big enough number IMO.
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Post by: DrimGark
If the Throne breaks, the Imperium has a drastic option. Get enough Orks to believe it works. After all, it is big and shiney and has lots of fancy bits. By all rights, it should work really really well!
Of course, this probably involves bringing a very large WAAAGH! in close proximity to the big E, but that's what Custodes are for. They're probably bored silly anyway.
But really, if the Mechanicum cannot repair it, it will probably fail slowly over time, or just blow out all at once. Depending on what you think happens after that point, the latter could even be preferrable. E "dies", but reforms in the warp. The fallout from that on the warp/travel is speculation. Maybe reformed-E is a self powered Astronomicon. Maybe demons flood Terra until E is coherent enough to stop them. Maybe he calls the departed primarchs to him as his E-warp-god deamon prince equivalents.
Maybe instead, the galaxy is plunged in to a new era of darkness, the forces of Chaos pour out of the Warp, causing all the Tomb Worlds to activate, triggering the Hive Fleets in to full attack mode, resulting in massive, system crushing where freshly isolated human and arguably tau forces are, at best, beseiged hold-outs and remnants. Maybe the Necrons cause massive damage to the Webway abusing the Dolmen Gates to strike at the heart of the Tyranid Swarms, resulting in the Dark Eldar not being able to maintain their cities any longer, and the Craftworld Eldar to go in to end-game scenarios. Also, Orks. Always Orks.
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Post by: Tadashi
Durza wrote:
Not in the form originally intended though. Because of the destruction caused by Magnus, it requires constant psychic power to keep the daemons out of the human made section of the webway. If people were to actually start using that section, the power the daemons exert to try get in would likely become larger, meaning more power would be needed to keep them out. 1000 psykers dead a day is a big enough number IMO.
Fair enough. Let's see; the Throne was originally designed to serve as the focusing point for the user's psychic power to maintain the psychic barriers that protect the Imperial Webway until it links to the original network, at which point the Webway's own regenerative abilities would handle the rest. It would also be used in the same manner to repair and expand the tunnel network. Apparently, the Emperor/Magnus weren't required to sit on the Throne to do so, but when Magnus compromised the system, a psyker, one with sufficient psychic might to keep the ruined Webway Gate-turned Warp Portal closed and the physical endurance to endure the strain is required to sit on the Throne. The Emperor and Magnus could have done so without trouble, but Malcador, while powerful enough, died in the process. After the Emperor returned from the Vengeful Spirit, the Throne is fitted with stasis field generators to stop the Emperor's physical form from dying. Those generators are probably failing.
I'm guessing those same psykers being fed to the Throne are used in the same manner the shamans' used their souls to create the Emperor in the first place; the Emperor probably knows He's gonna need a lot of souls to achieve critical mass once the Throne fails to not just restore His body but to blow back the warp storms and daemons that will be erupting just before He 'dies'.
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Post by: Omegus
OverwatchCNC wrote:Emperor upon inspection of everything that has gone on:
"I knew Rowboat would everything up "
Don't be stupid. "Rowboat's" mini-Empire is the closest any part of the Imperium comes to fulfilling the Emperor's vision for all of humanity.
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Post by: Tadashi
Omegus wrote:OverwatchCNC wrote:Emperor upon inspection of everything that has gone on:
"I knew Rowboat would everything up "
Don't be stupid. "Rowboat's" mini-Empire is the closest any part of the Imperium comes to fulfilling the Emperor's vision for all of humanity.
True. While it's citizens follow the Imperial Creed, unlike most Imperial planets, creativity is encouraged in the Realm of Ultramar, and the nobility aren't douches like in on other worlds, but based on merit. To be honest, I don't get all the hate for the Ultramarines; out of all the loyal Space Marines from the Horus Heresy, only they and the Salamanders remain largely true to the Emperor's vision; the Black Templars, for all their zealous self-righteousness, would probably disappoint the Emperor the most.
If the Emperor returns, the Ultramarines and the Salamanders and their descendants will probably be commended; most other Chapters will get no special treatment; and the Black Templars and similar Chapters get a simple "I am disappoint."
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Post by: ContemplativeSphinx
Tadashi wrote:
I don't get all the hate for the Ultramarines;"
Minus the Ward provoked hate?
People hate "boy scouts." (Although that characterization is in of itself debateable).
Many of the other big name SM chapters are, for lack of a better phrase, in need of good psychiatrists. And i don't mean that as an insult at all.
The public in general prefers heroes..no..protagonists with "issues".
And when they aren't burdened by such things - they prefer underdogs fighting against overwhelming odds - like the IG.
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Post by: ineptus astartes
IIRC, theBig E only detested xenos that stood in man's way and did not bow down to them.
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Post by: Flinty
I think he would be annoyed that people didn't look busy enough.
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Post by: mwnciboo
I think he would need a bit of extra surgery to go for a number 2. I mean imagine coming out of Coma, with 10,000 years worth in your tail pipe.
Guessing he would want a Beer and a big KFC bucket. His e-mail account would need a good weeding too plus "Who are these 4dchan fools? kill 'em".
Then he would shout "FFS what happened to Imperial Truth" and kill all the Eccelisarch guys nearby and then go on a Mega bender, killing all of the stupid supersititutions he fought so hard against.
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Post by: kronk
Tadashi wrote:
But seriously, if anyone tried to do that, I'm guessing an entire section of the Imperial Palace is going to get blown out of the side of the mountain (was it Mt. Everest?) from the sheer RAGE of the Emperor.
From the HH book The Outcast Dead, the Imperial Palace is definitely in the Himalayan Mountains. One would assume that he'd use the tallest of these for his Palace, but it never calls the mountain by the name.
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