So I bit the bullet and went to WH World today and picked up Lelith Hesperax mini. There were three on the shelf so I chose the one with the least excess flash and bubbles, the black shirt told me I should expect to do some filing, which to a limited extent, I agree. But now I have got home and opened the packet I have checked the model more thoroughly I will be returning it for exchange. There are many more defects than were initially apparent when packaged ,ie missing leg spikes, missing locks of hair to mention just a few.
Now I'm no stranger to using modelling putty, but feel it is inappropriate to have to re-sculpt these missing parts onto a £10.50 mini that is meant to be their high detail 'fine' cast range. Luckily I only live a few miles from GW headquartes so it's not too much stress to return it, but I have noticed at least one other post regarding defective 'finecast' minis.
Basically I am just wondering if this is a common problem? What happened to QC? And how many people will continue to pay up and put up with these?

To answer your questions:
Extremely common. QC is non-existant it seems. Enough for GW to not care.

I don't know (personally) anyone at all who's impressed with Finecast. Note, Forgeworld use a similar material and casting method and yet manage to produce stuff that isn't as flawed.

QC aside, the material is unsuitable for certain models - notably top-heavy designs such as Mangler Squigs, rearing horses etc. It's extremely flexible when warm and sagging is a common occurence. There is a fix for this ('coring') but it's difficult and requires some nerve and a little sculpting skill.

But should we really expected to 'fix' their mismoulds? Personally if I pay a premium, then I expect to receive accordingly! How many kids are being robbed of their dads hard earned cash in this way? I shudder to think..

I hate this. The closest store that caries GW minis in any substantial number is hours away. If I buy any Finecast, I'll be doing it online, that that's horrifying to me.

Keep in mind. They can tell you there may be slight imperfections that may need work done all they want.

In the end if you are unsatisfied with the product they have to give an exchange or refund.

This whole debacle is shameful for a company advertising the greatest evolution in the hobby world.

I'm glad to see this in a pole. A lot of people won't stand up for finecast because theyre worried about being heckled by other forum users. This is a nice way to gauge consumer response in a discreet way. Good thinking.

I only have two finecast models so far and have found them satisfactory, got a skaven warlord the other day for my wife's skaven army, needs a little cleanup but overall it looks as good if not slightly better than i've seen it in metal, and the other is a terminator librarian that had a little bit of bubbling on the staff but i never planned on using it anyway and it has since been chopped off and replaced with a sword.

I much prefered the 'white' metal models. Some people say things like Bloodthirsters or Hellcannons are a lot easier to glue together when they're finecast. But thats probably because they're using the wrong glue.

I've bought some Finecast models, and while most were fine, a few had some defects that I was not happy with.

With the old lead figures this was never the case... All the models were fine. At least a much higher percentage of them were.

Having to fix the mismolds yourself would only stick better if they didn't do a price hike for finecast.

I have absolutely no love for Finecast. I've purchased a Lelith Hesperax model, an Archon, 2 regular Haemonculi a Urien Rakarth & a box of Incubi. I won an Abbaddon in a tourney last year. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM were flawed & I got replacements for them. The 1st Lelith I purchased had similar problems to the OP - missing some hair & a few leg spikes. The replacement had a bubble in the left knife blade - I just chopped it off & used the one from the original I purchased. The Archon's cape wasn't complete & he was missing his whole right foot - the WHOLE THING. The first Hammy I purchased looked like he had sprayed himself down w/ his liquifier gun, it honestly looked like it had been left in the delivery truck too long (I live in Phoenix, AZ) and the 2nd one was actually missing some pieces. The Incubi Klaives were all bent and a few of them had helmet miscasts. Abbaddon's Talon of Horus was actually missing the blades, the 'thumb' was completely there, but the rest of the 'fingers were just strings resin sticking off the front of the hand & Drachnyen was not only bent but had three bubbles in the blade. Like I said, I got replacements for all of these models, but the simple fact that I needed replacements for them to begin with really rubs me the wrong way. Obviously this is an extreme example, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating.

If I have any issues in the future, I'm just going to return the model to the store. Even the owner of my FLGS doesn't like them & has told all of his customers to bring them back to him for a refund & he'll send them back off to GW for his refund/replacement.

~Vryce

girgam wrote:I only have two finecast models so far and have found them satisfactory, got a skaven warlord the other day for my wife's skaven army, needs a little cleanup but overall it looks as good if not slightly better than i've seen it in metal, and the other is a terminator librarian that had a little bit of bubbling on the staff but i never planned on using it anyway and it has since been chopped off and replaced with a sword.

Ah, see, now I got the same librarian, and I love the model, I actually bought it because I prefer not getting metal models...or at least I used to. I stupidly opted for the sword and while I was painting it realised it was a bit bowed, so, with a bit or research I found out the best way to reshape it...much preparation later...SNAP!

Now he has a plastic sword instead and I am to paranoid about using him in battle because if he ever touches anything he will disintergrate...

I really want to buy more, but unless the model is sturdy then no way. Outstretched sword arm, forget it!

I bought a Trazyn and he was 90% satisfactory. He had some blotchy looking rough spots on the blades of his weapon that weren't noticeable till primed. No bubbles, voids, missing areas, etc.

My Draigo is a different story. I looked thru all the blister packs at the Chicago area bunker and my local GW and found only one that I felt was acceptable. The tip of his Titan sword was missing (gel type super glue for that), the half of the hilt attached to the sprue snapped at the sword and was still attached to the sprue, and there were some small voids on his cape. Part of his sword also had that blotchy stuff.

It rankles me that GW finds it an acceptable business practice to require and encourage you to repair an item marketed as "premium". I don't know any other mini manufacturer who does this. For 25 bucks, I should only have some mold lines to worry about.

Games Workshop products costs alot, and for many it really is expensive as hell. And if someone pays alot for a piece of plastic then I think they should recieve top notch quality items. I really dont like finecast at all. Its just the worst GW have produced in my opinion. And honestly I dont think there is anything that justifies them producing that bad quality models.

Gravity wrote:Games Workshop products costs alot, and for many it really is expensive as hell. And if someone pays alot for a piece of plastic then I think they should recieve top notch quality items. I really dont like finecast at all. Its just the worst GW have produced in my opinion. And honestly I dont think there is anything that justifies them producing that bad quality models.

You should see the junk that FW sent me yesterday.

I bought a Finecast model. I checked it as well as I could, only being able to see one side of it. The back side was unsatisfactory. They sent me a new one that was worse. I gave up after that.

To be fair, I recently ordered some resin from another fairly well-known manufacturer and it wasn't what I've come to expect of them. However, they're in another country, it's technically fixable, and most importantly, they weren't charging GW prices. I suppose that there's a price point where I'll willingly deal with certain issues. GW prices their products above that point.

The only finecast model I bought was the C'tan Deceiver, he arrived in good condition without many obvious flaws, it did take alot of carefully scraping and filing just to get him clean and smooth but no bubbles or voids in him.

That said the model was incredibly delicate, flimsy and brittle (not uncommon for resin) and lacked the sturdiness I used to get from the metal mini's (I much prefer having to glue metal arms back on when they inevitably fall off to having to repair snapped models)

Ok, I'm on my way now to GW HQ to get a satisfactory exchange.
On behalf of everyone who gives a sh.. I will attempt to speak to someone regarding these issues, I'll be sure to let you know how it goes!!
Please continue to vote in the poll and post your comments.

Haters gonna hate..

well why the hack is there liquid green stuff?
think of it
poorly i got the same prob with my finecasts (i got them via onlinestores)
but hey, buy fincast at the store check it right there and no problemo

Yup.

I got the Vanguard Veterans. Swords all bent, reshaped in a little warm water, snapped within 2 days of careful handling, never even got round to playing with them.

The detail is exquisite, but the quality of expensive models like this is shocking. GW should be ashamed.

thenoobbomb wrote:Haters gonna hate..

Personally I don't hate GW, in fact I love their models, else I wouldn't buy them! However, if the quality of a range is not up to scratch I believe GW owe it to their loyal customers to address the issue.

Lol, went into main reception at GW offices and have been told to email GW customer services, which i will do tonight. If anyone else feels they should do the same the email address is
customer.service@gwplc.com

I'm going in the shop to now to hopefully get an exchange. I am told to open and check the model in store so they can swap parts there and then, that sounds like a good idea, would certainly save time and fuel, but doesnt really work for mail order customers.

Cohol wrote:well why the hack is there liquid green stuff?
think of it
poorly i got the same prob with my finecasts (i got them via onlinestores)
but hey, buy fincast at the store check it right there and no problemo

1. I'm paying 20% more for a model advertised as being of 'High Quality', I expect it to be perfect, why should I have to repair it for such a cost?
2. I don't want to have to check, it's ridiculous that poor quality models are even sent to the shop, let alone leaving the factory.
3. I'm not sculpting the model, I paid for a complete product, if I wanted to sculpt my own models I'd buy modelling clay.

I paid £30 for a model "of the highest quality" which was bubbly, weak jointed and had the same quality of a metal model. This product cannot be defended.

I don't hate GW, I love 40K and SGB however Finecast is the worst thing to be created by GW next to the price hikes.

I haven't bought anything from GW in at least a year. But from everything I have seen in person and heard Finecast is the devil. At least partially due to poor, or a complete lack of, QC.

Now don't get me wrong, as a material in and of itself I don't have a gripe with it, but not when it is toted around as the second coming and being charged premium price for since it is supposed to be the highest quality models available on the market. Of course in reality they have been proven to be anything but. You can't say best quality and some fixing required. It doesn't work like that. Especially when it is more fixing than was ever needed with pewter.

If the move to Finecast had resulted in a net drop in prices then I could live with it, even with some of the horror stories I heard. But they have created the perfect storm of BS hype, poor QC, lack luster roll out, and all round poor attitude towards addressing the issues being raised. But then again it just wouldn't be GW if they weren't whispering sweet nothings in our ear whilst sodomising their fanbase without the courtesy of a reach around now would it?

Just be thankful you aren't in Oz. We got both Finecast AND an embargo on our ability to purchase it at a decent price at once.

I actually like the finecast models, I prefer them to the old metal. They are easier to work with, lighter and the detail is outstanding.

However, I have had my issues with finecast. My worst offender was this years white dwarf model. The casting was off centre, The split between the front half & second half was unfixable. Took it into my local GW and they had to open four box's to find one that was OK.

They need to fix the casting problems, and soon. A return rate that large has to be costing the company some big bucks and that'll only mean an increase in price to cover the short fall.

I wonder. Has anyone found any maths on the production cost of a Finecast model versus its old pewter equivalent?

Maybe it is cheap enough that 3-4 returns still turns them a profit per item sold? I mean I highly doubt it, and it would indicate a shafting of mandingo proportions, but maybe they don't care because they aren't hurting financially from it.

Then again if true I think it is time to polish off the ol' pitchfork, light up some torches, and get a rabbling.

After opening two packs in store, still no satisfactory exchange, however the staff are very helpful and are ordering another ten packs for this afternoon for me to look at(more of my time though) surely I will find my lelith!
I really can't fault the staff, they are willing to open as many as it takes to find a satisfactory cast!!
Having cast in resin myself, I know the material cost per mini, even buying in low quantity,is pence. But I am guessing the a big issue is with customers who don't return their imperfect models. GW can only address issues if they are made aware of them. Our customer feedback is invaluable for them to provide aquality service, we each are our own Quality Control inspectors, it's just a shame we have to pay for the privilege!!

Uri Lee wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:Haters gonna hate..

Personally I don't hate GW, in fact I love their models, else I wouldn't buy them! However, if the quality of a range is not up to scratch I believe GW owe it to their loyal customers to address the issue.

Lol, went into main reception at GW offices and have been told to email GW customer services, which i will do tonight. If anyone else feels they should do the same the email address is
customer.service@gwplc.com

I'm going in the shop to now to hopefully get an exchange. I am told to open and check the model in store so they can swap parts there and then, that sounds like a good idea, would certainly save time and fuel, but doesnt really work for mail order customers.

Well, I was more pointing towards the poll results. Mine were fine, but there are a lot of haters on the interweb.

thenoobbomb wrote:
Well, I was more pointing towards the poll results. Mine were fine, but there are a lot of haters on the interweb.

I have heared that 90% of the Internet is pornography, which means there are also a lot of wans on the interweb... That doesn't mean everyone is doing it all the time . Thank you for letting us know yours were all fine, that is good to know, and provides us with some hope

"Well, I was more pointing towards the poll results. Mine were fine, but there are a lot of haters on the interweb."

We "haters" dont hate finecast just because we want to. We do it because we think its a bad product (and probably have some experience with finecast too) marketed as high quality. So I dont think the poll result is just because of haters that just wants to hate. If thats what your implying.

You know what would be cool? If the shops took the exchanged minis that were miscast and put them in a discount box for 50% off...I would buy a lot of them that way.

I don't mind fixing air bubbles that are small. Or on a flat surface, But when i bought my canis wolf born, the wolf's chest was completely missing. What i really dislike is the fact that you get thin sports throughout the model. so while painting you run the risk of pushing through, or while you play with the model, you risk snapping it off. I have had enough problems with fine cast, and the bad part about it is. The troops i have been using are all fine cast. Nurgle plague marines really didn't need to be fine cast. Personally i loved metal models, And now i have no other choice but to buy fine cast.

@PappaPiggy. Did you return your chestless canis or did you fix it your self?

PapaPiggy wrote:I don't mind fixing air bubbles that are small. Or on a flat surface, But when i bought my canis wolf born, the wolf's chest was completely missing. What i really dislike is the fact that you get thin sports throughout the model. so while painting you run the risk of pushing through, or while you play with the model, you risk snapping it off. I have had enough problems with fine cast, and the bad part about it is. The troops i have been using are all fine cast. Nurgle plague marines really didn't need to be fine cast. Personally i loved metal models, And now i have no other choice but to buy fine cast.

Plague Marine aren't too hard to convert, adding Green stuff stomachs, gas masks, Pickelhaube's, boils and rotting flesh isn't too hard. Though the metals where great.

My first finecast was the Corteaz model. It was fine. Had one bubble in an area you cant even see.

Second go at it was Captain Sicarius. Had 3 goes at returning it to get a good one but ended up getting a refund.

I think its pretty hit and miss and GW really needs to no let the "miss's" get through.

They always arrive in reasonable condition, however my Astorath had a few bubbles in the armour and a small piece of the icon on his belt missing.

Howvere, Dante's axe snapped the first time I took him out of my case.

OK, ive been back to GW HQ, And I'll say again that the staff were brilliant, even though they may probably be quite pissed off with me for starting this thread!
They had brought up a bag of 10 Lelith hesperax as promised from the factory ( Iam lucky as the outlying stores would not be able to do this).
I didn't even have to open 9 of these as i could see through the packaging they were not perfect. Alas, i chose the best out of the bunch and am now resigned to do a little fixing this time. I dont wish to waste anymore of my time, and really want to add this model to my sons new collection. But still i have contacted customer service epressing my dissatisfaction.

ps. @ ANYONE READING THIS FROM GW OFFICES, THIS PUBLIC NARRATION OF MY RECENT EXPERIENCES IS INTENDED ONLY TO GET PERSONAL FEEDBACK FROM OTHER WH ENTHUSIASTS,..... THIS IS NOT A SLUR CAMPAIGN, ITS SIMPLE.... WE JUST WANT CONSISTENT HIGHER QUALITY MINIATURES FOR THIS PRICE !!

even if you dont get bubbles, dropping an eldar ranged with the fragile rifles from like.. 5 inches up will break them. metal for me please.

Just for the record, not everyone here hates resin. I prefer it over metal when it's done correctly. I also don't hate GW. I've been a customer of theirs since the early nineties. I don't even hate Finecast in theory. Lighter pieces (easier to glue) that don't shatter or bend, feature better detail, and cost less? What's not to like about that? The only thing better would be plastic and that's not going to happen, so...

But that's not what they've sold me. They sold me something with lighter pieces, that does shatter and snap, does not feature better detail, and the price went up. And in my case, they're currently batting 000 for acceptable castings, something that wasn't an issue with the metal. The problem is not what they promised. The problem was not even their customer service; they quickly and efficiently sent me a replacement that was worse than the original. The problem is what they delivered...twice now.

And what's worse, they were told how to do it correctly. They chose to ignore that advice. They were warned that resin is labor intensive by people who cast resin for a living. They ignored that too and tried to find a shortcut. And here we are.

That's what I hate. If they figured this out (by, say, listening to what FW told them) then I'd be fine with Finecast. What they're selling right now is, in my eyes, inferior to the old metal. The metal was cheaper. Guess which one I'd rather have. I'll give you a hint: as a customer since the early nineties, I never sent a metal model back once, and I've got a few of them. Far more than one, anyway.

I'll be the first one to sing the praises of Finecast when it becomes praiseworthy, or even delivers on half of what was promised. Until then, I'll merely report what I experienced - a 100% failure rate that costs more than what it replaced. Haters gonna hate? No. Critical thinkers gonna criticize.

"Just buy something else!" That's exactly what I do now. Good advice really. No more Finecast for me until GW un(profanity filter didn't catch this, but it's a four letter word)s their operation. And if it's one of those lucky models that has already undergone the transition? Hello, Ebay, or else it's a stand-in. My opponents would understand. They're doing the same thing now.

I love it overall over metal. I dont mind small fixes. but I have had a few bad ones I had to return.

I've been buying since the 90's as well and have had to date 1 single miscast with my pewter models (probably well over 300+ at least in my time and I think I am understating there). And that wasn't even really a miscast. Did have the odd annoying mold line but nothing that a tiny scrape with the knife couldn't fix.

It was a GK Psycannon Marine. I stupidly didn't look at the blister properly when I picked it up. Got home. Opened it, and the Psycannon looked to be a massive blob of pewter about 1" by 1". I was about to scream FUUUUU when I noticed the blob was wobbly. So I grabbed it and pulled. Low and behold, it was just a blob of pewter that escaped the mold and stuck to some flash. And behind it was a fully formed perfectly detailed Psycannon. So in essence I just got some free pewter to help weight some bases with.

However, and I am sadly not exaggerating here, I have yet to hear of a single Finecast model that was perfectly fine out of box, or didn't have to be returned at least once to get that fine one.

I don't hate Finecast as a material. I hate the stupid BS GW tried to force down our throats about it being the godsend to modeling that they think it is, without addressing the QC issues, and hiking the price up at the same time.

At least FW were always consistent in their legacy of resin horror. And they never tried to put as much spin on their product as GW has. And to be fair the majority of FW issues are warping rather than just poor casts with missing detail. Something which given certain climates they send too they can't always have control over.

And FW is cheaper than GW now if you are in Oz. What a crazy world we live in.

I bought a Finecast Necron Overlord from my FLGS and I can't say that I'm all that impressed with it over the plastic and metal minis that I have. It just doesn't seem very sturdy, though, as others have mentioned, the detailing is impressive.

That reminds me, I need to buy the metal Abaddon that that store has for my CSM army instead of buying the FC version. Ugh...time for a drive.

The only finecast are some de mandrakes and I must say I would take metal over them any day.

When I first opened them they seemed fine, but after basing them their weapons broke of and they're feet snapped in two, it was a easy fix but any mini for that price shouldn't need to be fixed.

So far I've only picked up 3 Finecast models, my Necron Overlord, Lord and Cryptek.
Cryptek was perfect.
Both Lord and Overlord had a very small part missing on their foot, and the Overlord had quite a few holes on his mantle and other less obvious places. Nothing I couldn't fix with a little patience and even less green stuff, but I agree that I shouldn't HAVE to be doing this since I paid for this "premium" quality item.

Oh yes, they do also seem to break way too easily. My Overlord's Staff has broken on 2 different places so far.

I like finecast so far. It's really easy to work with and it takes paint very nicely. However i'm not the most credible source because iv'e only painted one finecast

King Crow wrote:I like finecast so far. It's really easy to work with and it takes paint very nicely. However i'm not the most credible source because iv'e only painted one finecast

Darn you and your avatar pic. Because now all I can hear is;

"Mmmmmm... Baby, if you were a hobby model material I'd bet they would call you Finecast."

In his voice and everything. >.<

Atma01 wrote:

King Crow wrote:I like finecast so far. It's really easy to work with and it takes paint very nicely. However i'm not the most credible source because iv'e only painted one finecast

Darn you and your avatar pic. Because now all I can hear is;

"Mmmmmm... Baby, if you were a hobby model material I'd bet they would call you Finecast."

In his voice and everything. >.<

Always hitting on sisters of Battle and getting his ass kicked!

My experiences with Finecast are both hit and miss. When they come out god, they're really really good. When they come out bad... they're really really bad. I love the material but hate the lack of quality control.

I spent hours last night re- sculpting hooks and spikes back onto the Lelith model where they should have been. To say this was the best cast out of a total of 13, presented on 3 visits, to the place where they are actually manufactured, is deplorable. And I really hope that the 9 I didn't open we're not put on the shelf, otherwise some of you guys would get the same problem.
I have been buying GW modelels since 1988, Now, just on principle, and much to my sons disappointment,I am seriously thinking about a personal boycot of buying any new GW models( though I doubt anyone would care or even notice). 42 hours and still waiting for an email response from customer services.... although I was told " within 48 hours", so there's still time.

I personally haven't got any finecast horror stories, but that's probably because I haven't bought any. I have had my eye on Yarrick, for my wife's IG, but having read a lot of problems about the stuff, have decided to wait. Maybe they will get better?....

I doubt they will get better soon. Finecast isnt all bad and the details on eldar models anyways is astounding. However, the molding problems tend to drive me nuts, cant they just use a little more resin? id rather scrap off more flash and resin hairs than have incomplete models.... Also sir you are one lucky man, i hope i find myself a woman one day i can share this wonderful hobby with!

Deadlytoaster wrote:I doubt they will get better soon. Finecast isnt all bad and the details on eldar models anyways is astounding. However, the molding problems tend to drive me nuts, cant they just use a little more resin?

If it were that simple it would have already been done! Resin cant get to parts with air locks.In my experience of resin casting, many of the fine details that stand away from a model, if they were too small to incorporate an air bleeding channel, actually need priming with resin by hand before casting in the complete mould. It was this that made mine not viable for mass production( for me anyway), and meant each model was individually by hand. I still only had a 70:30 success rate ( the 30% imperfect casts were never sent out)up to around 30 casts, befor the mould started to deteriorate. If GW manage to turn the craft into successful consistent mass production, I will take my hat of to them!

I haven't voted, because I haven't actually bought any finecast yet. I HAVE gone to the FLGS with the INTENT to buy... and found a shelf full of flawed castings. So I tell the person running the store, he pulls the product and returns them for replacement... and in comes a new batch of flawed castings. Twice now.

It's getting to the point where my FLGS is seriously considering NOT ordering any more finecast because of this very issue. I hope they do take that step, and that all other FLGS do so as well, until GW gets a clue and starts checking them BEFORE they get packaged.

I mean, three separate batches, and ALL are badly flawed?

Vulcan wrote: until GW gets a clue and starts checking them BEFORE they get packaged.

I'm sure they do check them beforehand. Not every single figure, but enough of them to know they're shipping crap. Given their investment in time and money, and the fact that people are buying them anyway (and repairing flaws themselves), why should they care? GW is well aware of all the internet hate for the product, but the company line is still "a little GS takes care of it. And lucky for you, we also sell that". It's win/win for GW.

This ENTIRE discussion can be avoided forever more with one observation and one sentence:

GW is a company and only listens to/cares about the bottom line. If people keep buying, the company will grow and they will not care.

Stop buying GW.

Problem solved.



Ghidorah

I bought a Finecast Lictor (I WAS gonna get a venomthrope.......yeah......) anyway as I was painting it, one of it's big long talons broke. I put almost no pressure on it, and it snapped right off as I was trying to paint it. This of course was after having to fix countless bubbles and miscasts. I will admit though, that Tyranids don't look AS bad with minor miscasts as they are completely organic anyway. But still. Finecast is garbage that GW should be ashamed of. I refuse to buy anymore (my Lictor wasn't the first FC I bought. It was simply the straw that broke that camels back). I hate how a company can claim that their product is the epitome of the industry.......when the stuff that was being produced 20 years ago is widely considered to be superior.

Ghidorah wrote:This ENTIRE discussion can be avoided forever more with one observation and one sentence:

GW is a company and only listens to/cares about the bottom line. If people keep buying, the company will grow and they will not care.

Stop buying GW.

Problem solved.



Ghidorah

Perhaps you are right Ghildora, I feel it is a shame that the all the talented designers and scultptors of their miniatures, which in my opinion are fantastic....second to none, are being let down by this poor production operation. They may lose the appreciation and custom of any mature hobbyist with an eye for quality, only to be supplying a bunch of kids that dont know any better and keep paying. Very sad
However, i dont think avoiding this discussion will help anyone, the internet is here and we can share information freely, and learn from each others experiences if we choose. Obviously 'SOME' may may prefer us to avoid this discussion


ps, your signature is strangley hypnotic, lol

I don't really like metal or finecast. Finecast is hard to find a 'perfect' cast, and metal's are a pain to put together for the average person especially as there prone to gaps, harder to remove flash and bent parts (all though easier to repair) its basically swapping one thing for another.

To be honest my favourite models at the moment are probably the strong (darker grey) plastics that they've brought out. A good example is the chaos sorcerer.

Also the plastic kits too. Thankfully alot of there metals can still be gotten and for most things they've still been using regular old plastic. I't is daunting to think that the future however might be entirely finecast because of the bad quality results for there price. But realistically when I buy a metal model and find that the joints don't fit either too big or too small it makes me cringe as much as a finecast model that has bubbles in it.

I got a C'tan that was missing his nose, half of an eye, and part of his mouth because of an air bubble. Not fun resculpting that. There were also mold bits, parts that had come out too thin, and bubbles all over the model.

I'm not a GW fan boy or a hater I just tend to roll with the punches when it comes to the hobby as it's a large part of my life, but the release of Finecast has really disapointed me to no end, i've bought 2 boxes thus far and had problems with both, DE Incubi were a nightmare, lots of holes to fix and the back banners were warped beyond fixing so i binned them, the others were a set of Mandrakes, the main mandrakes were pretty good although due to the delicate nature of the weapons they were all bent heavily and had bad holes in them to fix, I am now very dubious about buying any more of this product as my only retailers are online it's quite a hassle to prove and arrange new models.

I've bought a few finecast, a C'tan shard of the Nightbringer, a Venomthrope, and Astorath the Grim.

the Nightbringer + Astorath were nearly perfect, I had no problems at all with those two.

The only issue I've had was with my venomthrope, I bought it at GW Manchester as an impulse buy, I got it home (40 minutes by train), was about to glue it together and realised that it had two sets of right tentacles/spinal ridges, instead of the standard right/left.

I originally messaged GW Manchester on Facebook, but they took too long to get a decent reply other than "just come back to the store", which would cost me £8, a forty minute journey, for the sake of a £15 model.

So I mailed GW customer support and they sent a replacement out within a week, free of charge (I sent them a photo of my receipt + duplicate parts as proof) and the one they sent was spot on.

I don't think they'll address the issues with the air bubbles etc because it means you'll need to buy both kinds of green stuff, and they recommend superglue to fill in any gaps caused by bubbles

So I have gotten several finecast products. The include a squad of honor guard, 2 25th anniversary models, a Lord of Change, 2 War Hydras, High Marshal Helbrecht, and a box of Incubi. The Honor Guard came out fine with no problem as did the anniversary models, Incubi, and the hydras. None of them had bubles (at all) and none were miscast. Helvrecht sword is rather thin so it broke off but I was easily able to glue it back in. The only problem I've had si the Lord of Change's left wing is very thing. I didn't notice it until I had assemebled him and primed him. Then when I hold him up and look at the wing I can see the wall behind him.

Now that is not to say that I don't know of instances where things are wrong. There is one blister of a vampire count model (not sure which) but her mouth is nothing but resin, and a buddy of mine got the sternguard box only to have one marine look like he took a bolter to the head and a tyranid hacked away half of his knee. The replacement he was given had the exact same problems in the exact same places. The third was just fine though. IMO they seem to be getting better than at the start and people just feed off of the original fire.

On the subject of quality control at GW...

I picked up the new Empire book to check it out... and found a page that was smudged to illegibility. The guy running the FLGS was... displeased at the discovery. I learned some new phrases from him.

Akroma06 wrote: IMO they seem to be getting better than at the start and people just feed off of the original fire.

I'm not feeding off any original fire, I'm expessing my very recent experience, where 0 out of 13 were good enough not to pee me off. And that was at GW HQ, nottingham, the place that you would have thought theyd be able to find at least one perfect cast of lelith!!!

I personaly hate fine cast, plastic is ugly easy to break. I bought Lelith too. There were no missing parts but I spent hour and a half to make it like it should be, and the next step gluing hands on. Ohh my god it took so long to make it normal, in next 2 days I needed to do it again and now It finaly holds together, đizz!

Try finding a Necorn Lord/I.C. whos staff isn't bent to gak and back.

I bought a C'tan, and two of my friends bought a Haemonculi and Draigo.

The C'tan was ok. A few parts were a bit shorter or didn't fit exactly right, and there were some bubbles in the deceivers... cloth thingy. And it's didn't fit into the base. One peg did, but the bottom of the cloth part was curved up at a 15 degree angle and was actually too long to fit in anything.

Haemonculi was ok. My friend also bought a metal one, and found that one far easier to put together.

Draigo was a pain to get together and his sword looks like bendy straw. Not buying finecast again, and I am very glad that my C'tan did not have more severe problem.

Oh dear, here we go again...

beezley1981 wrote:I hate this. The closest store that caries GW minis in any substantial number is hours away. If I buy any Finecast, I'll be doing it online, that that's horrifying to me.

Same for me, thats why I have decided not to buy Finecast at all. Ill keep buying GW plastics, maybe some metal now & then, but I will not touch Finecast.

What this thread needs is photos.

As a potential customer, I want to see the minis - miscast ones, defects, or ones that people think are perfectly fine, unpainted and straight out of the box. I want to see what is being described rather than being told it.

Does anyone have a camera that can take a few shots of their minis, especially attached to the sprues? Thanks in advance.

In fact, when you buy a model kit, why not show us the whole batch straight out of the box so we can get an unbiased survey of which models came in unsatisfactory condition, and which ones came in satisfactory/superb condition?

TedNugent wrote:What this thread needs is photos.

As a potential customer, I want to see the minis - miscast ones, defects, or ones that people think are perfectly fine, unpainted and straight out of the box. I want to see what is being described rather than being told it.

Does anyone have a camera that can take a few shots of their minis, especially attached to the sprues? Thanks in advance.

In fact, when you buy a model kit, why not show us the whole batch straight out of the box so we can get an unbiased survey of which models came in unsatisfactory condition, and which ones came in satisfactory/superb condition?

This thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/414690.page

and this blog http://www.akaranseth.com/blog/7-8-fail.htm

especially the blog. Helpful pictures that outline what's wrong and what to look out for, if you have no idea.

!!!!!!! R A G E !!!!!!!

I was just getting back into Warhammer 40k and havent played since leaving school in july 2000.
so i spent a fortune on a shiny knew 0.2mm top-feed airbrush.a stack of r'k brushes and a small test spread of Vallejo,Reaper,Cote d'arms paint (I thin tone's layer+wet blend,Vallejo seems best for me),but i need to wait to see how they age.
anyway next was to find something to paint and reading the internet rely put me off GW ..but they cant really be that bad
...they are ! high pressure sale's with a rushed tone giving the impression there too busy to deal with customers but i can always shop on-line if they have lost there friendly atmosphere so I pick up an Avatar because nicely painted looks awesome and can be rely difficult to paint, i had to re texture the hair.the bloody hand was a mess the poor demi-god seemed to of had a vary traumatic time giving birth to something as the entire crotch area looked like it had be chewed on by a badly confused ork .. air bubbles.. miss-mould.warping...... G R R R R R R R

Love the game..just wish it was made by someone/anyone else.

any advice of a good game with nice models, I kinda like the 28-30mm scale.

Squigsquasher wrote:Oh dear, here we go again...

White knights gonna white knight...

bzippy83 wrote:

any advice of a good game with nice models, I kinda like the 28-30mm scale.

Infinity has some really nice models - the 'holographic' devices should be quite a challenge technically with OSL and clear blends. Not done any yet, but I can see it being tricksy (in a fun way, as opposed to having to fix the damn model).

i voted satisfied, but i did have to fill holes, remodel parts or exchange mini in some extreme cases.
i have to add, i did buy the special files, cleaning set and liquid greenstuff and i didnt find a mini where i didnt have to repair anything, i just don mind.

Yes I totally agree with this post! As many of you know, I really hate finecast - but I must let you know that I am not a GW hater. I just hate the way they overcharge for sub-standard products. I recently bought a Vargheist finecack model where the arm did not fit properly in the hole and the leg had one major air bubble - the air bubble was so big it cut the whole leg in half! Of course I cannot check these models before buying them as they are sealed in cardboard boxes. I flipped my lid and sent GW HQ an e-mail addressing my concerns with the finecack range and the sheer level of trouble I have with it. The reply from a chap called Kyle (I think) was complete and utter crap! The e-mail was nothing more than a pre-versed major stroke-a-thon for GW products. In my e-mail I outlined all the finecack models I bought and the details of their flaws.
The List:
Astorath the Grim - Ruined Wings and air bubbles in armour.
Commander Dante - Air bubbles on edges of armour and jump pack.
Huron Blackheart - Bad mis-casts in armour and extended hand.
Kaldor Draigo - Seriously bad mis-cast on the bottom of shield and bent sword.
Castellan Crowe - Bent sword and air bubbles in edge of right foot.
Ork Warboss with Attack Squigg - Air bubbles in squigg, horns and gun.
Ork Painboy and Orderly - Mis-casts in medical light housing, orderly and medical implements.
Boss Zagstrukk - The model is now nearly horizontal instead of approx 45 degree angle due to weight of the model.
Tankbustas - Mis-casts in nob and two boys.
Space Marine Chaplain with Jump Pack - Bent crozius and air bubble on the edges of the jump pack.

Varghulf - Seriously bad mis-cast/air bubble on right thigh and right wing does not fit the hole.
Vlad von Carstein - Mis-casts on both hands.
Isabella von Carstein - Missing half of face and massive air bubbles on skirt and cloak.
Archaon the Everchosen - Missing arm and large air bubbles on underside of horse.
Krell Lord of Undeath - Air bubble on helmet horn.

GW HQ (not store staff) do not care for customer care. When I went in to my local GW store to replace the model and tell them about the e-mails, the manager (who is a great chap) apologised! In fact I'm so sorry was the very first thing he said to me! I then told him that it's a great shame that the people in HQ cannot be the same. Needless to say that I told GW that I will not buy finecack anymore but will scoure eBay and the like for metal equivalents. Maybe in years to come they might be able to sort the problems out like excess flash, holes, parts missing and the hydrophobic nature of the plasticated resin, but until then - no chance!

Well. i have bought FOUR models, none of them having a miscast! yes, leliths impaler is a little bendy, but wasn't that always the case, especially with metal models? the worst "miscast" i have ever seen is a draigo with heaps of flash! i really don't see what the fuss is!

Tadhghouze wrote:Well. i have bought FOUR models, none of them having a miscast! yes, leliths impaler is a little bendy, but wasn't that always the case, especially with metal models? the worst "miscast" i have ever seen is a draigo with heaps of flash! i really don't see what the fuss is!

Flash isn't a miscast.

Your lucky you've not experienced such problems, but others (including me) have purchased poor quality models. For a price of a premium product, I expect one of such quality and when its advertised as being near 'perfect' I see it's obvious that GW will not change their attitude to Finecast.

I've been playing 40k since 2006, I've never had a single metal miscast though I've never truly been a fan of the material. Resin is cheaper, but now the model costs 20% more and is possibly going to be brittle, bent and possibly broken, not to mention miscast. Finecast even has a tendency to be paper thin.

To sum up my own experiences.

Lictor - Satisfactory. Not great. But Satisfactory.
2 Hydras - Satisfactory.

Friend's experience

Pirate WD mini - Good.

Both of us

12 25th Anniversary Miniatures (In Total) - Still not one acceptable model.

For 'game' standard models or large models with smooth surfaces the bubbles etc. aren't so much an issue. For limited pieces they better damn well be flawless and you'd at least expect some quality control.

12 for 12 bad casts is appaling to be honest.

bzippy83 wrote:
high pressure sale's with a rushed tone giving the impression there too busy to deal with customers but i can always shop on-line if they have lost there friendly atmosphere

That's why I stopped going to the GW store in Preston, this was around last summer. I'm relatively new to the hobby, but the guy in there wouldn't listen to what I wanted, just suggested everything with the highest price tag, and advice when it came to painting was literally a 20 second talk about how to do it, even though we were stood next to the paint station thing where he could show you. The service in there was shocking, the Manchester GW is a lot better, a lot friendlier staff

I've only bought one finecast model, the 25th anniversary marine, and its came out perfectly. I haven't bought anything else, but I'll be honest and say I'm really reluctant to

I guess I count as a veteran, being able to remember lead figures (mid 80's). The white alloy was much harder but stronger. I like my miniatures to feel substantial. Now I glue washers under their bases to make plastic feel like metal.

I don't particularly have a problem with the lightness of resin, but it's far too bendy, still snaps and I'd still really much rather have a metal miniature (apparently with the risk of slight shrinkage - I can't say I've ever noticed this) as opposed to the allegedly super-detailed Finecast with lots of details missing. I'm not interested in resculpting things.

I bought a Dante, wasn't particularly impressed. A month or so I bought Astorath to see if there has been any improvement. I can't see that there has. I am bemused about the assertions that GW's CS is "stellar". I emailed them the same night with photographic evidence of defects I neither could nor cared to repair myself. I got an insincere standard email. I emailed them again. Never heard a single thing again. They claim there is a small proportion of miniatures with defects. This is manifestly not true. I went through all the clampacks and got the only one I thought was defect-free. By my reckoning that means all the packs on sale, 100%, were defective. They would not send me a replacement without me returning the defective model. Although I too live close to WH World, I have better things to do with my limited free time than drive backwards and forwards to GW. I should not have to do that, and I was reluctant to give them back something which had some decently-cast bits in anticipation of getting something even worse.

I am afraid the result is that not only will I never buy Finecast again, I refuse to spend my money on ANY of GW's products full stop. That is not a particular worry for me - I have more than enough to keep me going, but I do wonder how many people would have to take similar action before the loss of revenue made any impact whatsoever on GW's management. I appreciate economic times are hard, but why can't GW accept lower profits for a few years like most other businesses in the UK, instead of churning out this resin rubbish? For me, a hobby is something you're supposed to enjoy, but GW's poisonous attitude has quite spoilt it for me.

Fra Charmelandro wrote:I guess I count as a veteran, being able to remember lead figures (mid 80's). The white alloy was much harder but stronger. I like my miniatures to feel substantial. Now I glue washers under their bases to make plastic feel like metal.

I don't particularly have a problem with the lightness of resin, but it's far too bendy, still snaps and I'd still really much rather have a metal miniature (apparently with the risk of slight shrinkage - I can't say I've ever noticed this) as opposed to the allegedly super-detailed Finecast with lots of details missing. I'm not interested in resculpting things.

I bought a Dante, wasn't particularly impressed. A month or so I bought Astorath to see if there has been any improvement. I can't see that there has. I am bemused about the assertions that GW's CS is "stellar". I emailed them the same night with photographic evidence of defects I neither could nor cared to repair myself. I got an insincere standard email. I emailed them again. Never heard a single thing again. They claim there is a small proportion of miniatures with defects. This is manifestly not true. I went through all the clampacks and got the only one I thought was defect-free. By my reckoning that means all the packs on sale, 100%, were defective. They would not send me a replacement without me returning the defective model. Although I too live close to WH World, I have better things to do with my limited free time than drive backwards and forwards to GW. I should not have to do that, and I was reluctant to give them back something which had some decently-cast bits in anticipation of getting something even worse.

I am afraid the result is that not only will I never buy Finecast again, I refuse to spend my money on ANY of GW's products full stop. That is not a particular worry for me - I have more than enough to keep me going, but I do wonder how many people would have to take similar action before the loss of revenue made any impact whatsoever on GW's management. I appreciate economic times are hard, but why can't GW accept lower profits for a few years like most other businesses in the UK, instead of churning out this resin rubbish? For me, a hobby is something you're supposed to enjoy, but GW's poisonous attitude has quite spoilt it for me.

That's strange, I had a similar problem, a few pieces missing, so I sent them an e-mail with the photo of the duplicate parts + my receipt, and got told "Please feel free to keep the parts you have, as a fellow ‘Nid player I know they’ll come in handy sooner rather than later." and my replacement part arrived a few days later

My finecast experience to date:

Necron Stormlord - Bent parts, used heat to fix.

Trazyn - Cape pretty well jacked. Got a replacement.

Haemonculus - Some air pockets had developed in the coat. Elected not to fill as it almost looked like it had been shot.

Box of Harlequins - After opening the box found I could build 3 guys with two chest pieces left over. Exchanged it at a local GW (fantastic guy) due to obvious mispackaging; new box good. However, in 85F heat they drooped on the little streamer thingies enough that they looked like they were laying down. Of course, I reheated and bent them back...Not looking forward to summer.

Zoanthropes(2) - Minor pockets in the wrong places, slight issues with parts fitting. Filed and filled.

Archon - Minor pockets. One head completely unusable, appeared squished. Left the pockets as battle damage and put the second head under a hive tyrants foot.

Plague Marines - lots of pockets, nicks and bent parts. If it had been any other model would have returned, but heck, they are plague marines after all.. Reshaped the bent pieces, left everything else.

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I have 6 armies each ranging in points from 2k to 5k. This represents a fair number of models.

In that time I've run across all sorts of issues regardless of medium: missing parts (Space Wolves tac squad - multiple backs, Nid metal gargoyles - wings, etc), seriously warped parts (monolith sides left between 1/4 to 1/2 inch gaps), etc. GW replaced each of those without issue.

Personally, I absolutely abhor metal. I've yet to purchase a metal model that actually fit together without a lot of work. Pinning a metal model is NOT fun. Also, I've yet to find a glue that will keep a metal model together for any amount of time. I've tried everything from various epoxies, CA/super glues and even liquid nails. From this perspective I am ecstatic about the move away from it.

The "thought" of finecast is a pretty good one. My main gripe is the low heat point at which the material becomes malleable. I store these on a shelving system in my garage. Our summers routinely hit 100F+ and my number one concern is that sometime this year I'll go out to the garage and see little pools of resin where models once were. If that happens I'll be sure to send photos to GW asking for replacements.

Grimtuff wrote:

White knights gonna white knight...

We had " haters gonna hate", now "white knights gonna white knight",

I thought Internet forums were for expessing opinions, sharing information, and generally being constructive!! I am aware many people have discussed the issues covered in this thread before, as have many peoole discussed how to paint mini's in numerous threads. Just because it's been covered already, doesn't mean it should be avoided there after. If an issue continues to be an issue it will keep coming up, and rightly deserves to do so.

So how about " pointless, uncunstructive commenters gonna pointlessly un-constructively comment"

Thanks everyone for your information shared, obviously I'm not alone in my finecast experience, aside from a few lucky people. So I have decided to not buy any new stuff from GW, they're not the company I remember them as. I still have several old minis that I will enjoy painting, and i can get my sons models second hand off ebay, thus not supporting this charade any more. After that I think I'll just make my own.

Well then, i've been in the hobby since 1996 and have a good bunch of miniatures - by bunch I mean enough to coat every square inch of a modern day home's floor space. In that time I have had only a few miscasts - all Forgeworld where the part expanded or shrunk - my FW Avatar was replaced 3 times.

Failures with Plastic Kits - none
Failures with White Metal - none
Failures with Pewter - none
Failures with Resin (from other companies) - none

Why don't I mention Finecast in the above list? The Finecast miniatures i've seen so far (which others have bought)... all had defects. Every single one. That is why I don't mention them - I will NEVER even so much as pick one up off the shelf, there simply isn't any point.

So how do I avoid this? By the following rules;

1. If there is a metal model equivalent - I will buy it
2. If said model is now only available as Finecast - I hit an auction/trade site's to find the model (see point 1)
3. If said model is not available in metal/plastic and ONLY in Finecast - I wait for a clever yet illegal company to recast it in metal (this is happening already with great, if not surpassed results).

Sickeningly, these dodgy companies out there do a far superior job and have had my return business. Even if they charged GW prices, I would still buy from them because they represent quality in a market (ok let's be honest, GW only) where QC has taken a nose dive. So no cash from me anymore. Only discount dealers in the US are getting my cash on plastic kits. As I type this, the AUD vs USD is 1.038... with the RRP discount I get, i'm saving 60% of the RRP cost here in Aus (that includes shipping).

There are ways of getting the quality you want at the right price to continue with the hobby that still impacts GW's bottom line (by not buying anything new - second hand or dodgy means only).

Aye, it's a sad state of affairs when the bootlegs are better than the originals.

Not to derail the thread (below points still relevant to the topic etc) at all but we copped a trifecta of shafting goodness last year down here in Aus.

1. Finecast was introduced (with a nice bump in price)
2. Embargo put on UK sales to ROW (Rest of World) customers
3. Price rise in general

So we lost quality, paid more for the privledge and lost quick sources for buying a full core army in bulk. The embargo thing was "semi" put into effect in the US back in 1999 from memory where Internet traders were "embargoed" as such. Thankfully there are some which will take email orders from us Downunder gamers.

The advent of Finecast has made it very difficult to do any ordering from cheaper sources due to the miscast rate now occuring. If you don't have a GW store close by that you're able to wander into for a replacement, then its alot of 'back and forth' pass the parcel shenanigans until you get what you're after - time and in some cases money (for postal costs) are lost... if not your sanity in the process.

This has opened up the stage for black market goods. People generally want to do the right thing morally when it comes to purchasing items - I know I would if the quality was there, but GW are doing their best to screw the customer seven ways from Sunday.

The thing is, at this time when people are squeezed for cash, we go looking for entertainment that is lasting and/or has value (personal or otherwise - think of it as a "pick me up"). Those who did the best in past bad economic times produced items of premium quality in a reasonable affordibility bracket - an example is a $5 cigar, pretty pricey for a cigar, but in hard times its still very affordable (premium pricing in an afforability bracket).

GW have placed themselves well for this target market, yet due to Finecast QC issues are fast losing customer justification for that ROI (return on investment). Ironic if the Warhammer we know today becomes the valued vintage "tin soldier" of the future - I'll be showing my grandkids the miniatures at the antique store talking about the golden days before it all went to poo... or is that slush given Finecast melts like butter in a warm climate?

Mine...........................(wait for it)...........................is fine!

there really is no need for this thread.

refer here for finecast in all its unadulterated glory.

poda_t wrote:there really is no need for this thread.

refer here for finecast in all its unadulterated glory.

Still, its interesting to see the results of this poll published above,

Why are these threads not locked as soon as they're posted? I know people have issues with Finecast but just how many of these threads do we need?


Ugh, there really should be a seperate subforum on Dakka called "Rumblin's an' Grumblin's" where people can go to complain and where people like me can avoid the haters-or, as I'm now going to call them, "black trolls".

Ok, so I have heard the returns.bit on.finecast described a bit, but could anyone state the exact policy and procedure of Finecast returns?

Being a MASSIVE novice at sculpting and other such feats, buying something in Finecast was a huge mistake. Not only did I waste my dad's money, but neither of us have the ability to fix any of the problems we have with the Finecast models. Not to mention our local GW store has been closed down (no explanation why).

As a casual gamer/hobbyist, I agree that Finecast is a complete insult to customers. Maybe some people have the skill to repair the models, but there are very few places that stock the required materials for me, and I've a tendency to break anything I try to fix further. THIS THIEVERY MUST BE STOPPED!

Deadshot wrote:Ok, so I have heard the returns.bit on.finecast described a bit, but could anyone state the exact policy and procedure of Finecast returns?

i guess you would have ta ask GW for their exact policy and procedures, but im still waiting on an email back, which i dont expect to recieve!!
From my experience, the store workers at Warhammer World are willing( once you have paid for and opened the packet) if yours is not satisfactory, to open as many packets as it takes, and swap bits from other packets until you have a satisfactory model. This worked fine for an Archon I purchased, after opening 3packs I had all the satisfactory parts, but as i have already mentioned, for my Lelith over 10 packs were not enough, as for me they were all bordering on shi 'ite).
Personally, I've said all i have to say on the subject now. Good luck to everyone else

Just going to throw this in here as having arrived yesterday in a GW order -



I think they are getting a bit better with finecast, but the stuff that is still managing to slip past their quality control is absolutely unbelievable. Getting a replacement has been a no issue service for me so far and they have sent out replacement sprues for miscasts, but I've had a miscast replacement for a miscast sent to me.. in a clear booster.. fully visible, which reeks of no one actually checking the models.

The way I see it, if you buy a multi sprue massive model and everything is perfect bar one very badly cast sprue, that's not "ok". As long as they are offering replacements with no hassle then I suppose it works out alright in the long run, but I would really just like to see products this no longer being sold at all.

Edit: Uri Lee, Lelith was the model I had a miscast replacement sent out to replace the original miscast. My god, what are they doing to her? D:

Can you take a different pic? Its kinda hard to see that one

No, that really is the entirety of its detail, its not the photo making it look like a grey wrinkly blob :(

No hands, half a face, bit of a nose, some hood, and the detailing in the center is.. some blobs and holes. I think the two dangly bits were meant to be a chain, and the textured slab was a dagger.

I am so confused as to what the hell that is.

Burn it with fire!

Ifalna wrote:No, that really is the entirety of its detail, its not the photo making it look like a grey wrinkly blob :(

No hands, half a face, bit of a nose, some hood, and the detailing in the center is.. some blobs and holes. I think the two dangly bits were meant to be a chain, and the textured slab was a dagger.

I just meant that it was too bright. I couldn't see much except an outline. don't matter now, sounds hideous. What was it?

Got my first three FC models in earlier this week, three tyrant guard. First one was pretty much perfect. There were a few small bubbles on the bottoms of the feet (about the best place to have em) and one or two on the back edge of the main carapace. The other two went downhill from there though.Bubbles in the tips of spikey parts, warped/miscast scything talons, and shoulder carapace cast so thin you can see light through one of them, and the other had actual holes.

Luckily it's Tyranids, so what I couldn't/didn't bother to fix tended to blend in with the whole alien organic look they have. I think that I'll be putting off buying the Necron SCs that I wanted though.

Wow. Ifalna wins the thread. I've not seen that much pink spooge on something since I had the urge to hit a toothpaste tube with a sledghammer.

I think it's supposed to be a goblin?

Anyway, even if they have good CS it's still damaging to us who don't live near a GW (or live at the edge of the world, apparently). It takes at least a month for a replacement to arrive, and when the replacement is not suitable... well, you wait another month.

We all have a choice. Mine is not to buy anything made from finecast. My flgs carries the whole finecast range we have looked threw them and found that 70% are miscast. This blows my mind the level of incompetence in thier quality control borders on illegal.