My favorite by far is the Blood Angels. Firstly because of Sanguinius, I mean honestly he should have been the Warmaster to begin with. He was level headed and pure of heart. Loyalty to his Imperium and Father to the very bitter end. The mere fact that his death stained the gene-seed of his Astarte son's amazes me. Redthirst/black rage is absolutely fascinating, and at the same time very sad. It adds immense depth to there chapter. Which brings me to the Death Company. They basically turn into savage killing machines! They of the likes of the forces of Chaos however they fight for the imperium! I mean these guys get annihilated in battle, there body's torn to shreds and they are so filled with rage and vigor they don't even notice it, shrugging it off like nothing. Other things i'll mention briefly, they were one of the only Legions on terra during the civil war, and the book about them fighting the word bearer's is amazing. I don't want to write too much but theres plenty more things that make me admire them!!

What do the rest of yall think?

Crimson fists, plain and simple. Probably because of my own mindset of going for the underdog, but they are absolutely awesome.

Ultramarines. They almost singlehandedly prevented the Imperium from fragmenting after the Heresy, as well as writing the Codex Astartes and having an awesome colour scheme.

Coolyo294 wrote:Ultramarines. They almost singlehandedly prevented the Imperium from fragmenting after the Heresy, as well as writing the Codex Astartes and having an awesome colour scheme.

The ultramarines are very noble in nature and admirable in my eyes as well

Mentor Legion.

Field testing new weaponry, teaching the imperium to move forward, leading the imperial guard and shrugging off superstition. They are the Sun Tzu of marine chapters.

Also a great colour scheme.





...although always owl for me, not bloody eagle...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Mentor Legion.

Field testing new weaponry, teaching the imperium to move forward, leading the imperial guard and shrugging off superstition. They are the Sun Tzu of marine chapters.

Also a great colour scheme.





...although always owl for me, not bloody eagle...

Very cool, i'll have to look into these Astartes!

Exorcists in the first place
but I wouldn't play them, if they where not by far my favourite chapter.

I think the second place is much more interesting. For me it would be the Imperial Fists and their Legion.

The Raven Guard. They try to use clever and smart tactics (hit and run, tactical/strategic insertion) and are still able to maintain dignity even after Corax's attempted cloning campaign.

I will put in a second vote for the Crimson Fist: There steadfast and stuborn doctrine in face of all danger, and having been brought to the edge of extiction more than once has only sharpen those attributes. With the Day of foundation and the fact that look at what they have accomplish, and what they have failed. They show a humility so few chapters are willing to admit.


I will put the sons of guilliman second simply because of there pure skills in adaptility.

Hmm..I have the book "Rynn's World" Perhaps I should read it.

Its a great book IMO. Its tied favorite with helsreach in the space marine battles novels. I would highly suggest reading it though.

I plan on reading it! Im too enthralled with the Horus Heresy at the moment thoug

Awesome, I am about half way through it myself and trying to get more books for it.

I'm currently only on book 3. I'm dreading the death of Loken which i feel is strongly imminent! :( hes my favorite space marine yet..

I don't want to spoil, but he's one of my favorite space marines.

The Death Guard

"In the embrace of the great Nurgle, I am no longer afraid, for with His pestilential favour I have become that which I once most feared: Death."

White Scars.
VROOM VROOM
But in all honesty. They are like a less crazy space wolves. And because the are a good fast hitting army.
When Given the chance to wipe out all xeno's on a planet they refuse to participate because civilians would die.
I believe one even killed a xenos to grant him a warriors death.
They refuse to torture enemies and they ride bikes.

Hah white scars are pretty cool. They are like beyond special forces. I read a short story about them in Heroes of the space marines and was highly impressed.

Are you sure its heroes of the space marines? I don't remember reading about them in it.

Oh i apologize, It was "Legends" of the space marines

Angry Marines.
I'm not that massive a fan of marines. Or yellow. But they make me giggle, Commissar Fuklaw is hilarious / brilliant and it's one of the few marine chapters with widespread, interesting conversion options.

White scars are really awesome, though I would not suggest the hunt for voldorius.

I've always been a huge fan of Ultramarines. Everything about them is just great. Their Greeko-Romanesque influence is one of their cooler attributes which isn't utalized as much as it could be. And their Primarch is a badass.

That and I love the colors

Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons, Blood Ravens, Relictors.


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Oh, and the Sons of Dorn. Nothing says awesome like gladius wielding, power-armored, space Venetians


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Oh, yeah, Luna Wolves aswell.

Coolyo294 wrote:Ultramarines. They almost singlehandedly prevented the Imperium from fragmenting after the Heresy, as well as writing the Codex Astartes and having an awesome colour scheme.

Ultramarines are alright, but I like the Novamarines better. Got myself an army of them. Anyways, my favorite chapter would have to be Executioners, or Minotaurs.

Mine is Alpha Legion. I love the mystique, their combat doctrine, their Primarch(s), the fact they are so different than any other chapter/Legion, and their color scheme. I like pretty much everything about em actually. I also really like Black Templars. They are my favorite loyalist chapter.

bmoleski wrote:Mine is Alpha Legion. They are my favorite loyalist chapter.

Fixed it for you

That's where I stand on the issue anyways.

Thousand Sons (pre-Heresy) Legion and the Blood Ravens. If a traitor legion is in question, I would pick Black Legion.

Sons of Medusa, hands down. I love their Fluff, and believe it or not, their paint scheme as well.

Blood Ravens, the warrior mystic thing has always appealed to me, plus who doesn't like a good redemption story?

I just wish they had a special character or some special rules...

Blood Angels
Or Grey Knights.
Honest, they are both cool.

Space Wolves They eat, drink and fight and just don't get a feth about the inquisition.

Bled Ravens. They be stealin' yo stuff fool.

I would also like to say Blood Ravens, but they..tend to steal everything they come across it seems

ShatteredBlade wrote:I would also like to say Blood Ravens, but they..tend to steal everything they come across it seems

Thats what makes them so great

Bled Raven: "This weapon says Russ on it? Oh sorry, its a typo, meant to say Blud Ravens."

Black Templars you look at them they kill you, you talk to them they kill you, you shoot at them they still charge at you and hack your head off.

Chaos: Death Guard because they are just badass.

Astral Claws/Red Corsairs. The whole rebellion, the way they conduct their raids and the way they recruit new members really interests me. Also, Huron is awesome.

Emperor's Children (Pre-Heresy) because it's kind of cool in a conversation when one person goes "My dad drives a motorcycle!" you can say "My dad is the immortal God-Emperor of mankind."

The Lamenters. Unlucky, unwanted, ill-fated, depressed but still overall good guys? Hilarious, tragic and kinda awesome all at the same time. They've got a human, flawed style that most Space Marine chapters don't.
Gotta hand it to the one chapter you can accurately roleplay when your dice screw you over!

That snazzy yellow paintjob doesn't hurt either.


As a secondary choice, the Flesh Tearers. The opposite of the kind-hearted Lamenters but no less ill-fated. They've got a cool color scheme, and embody the Adeptus Astartes in the way I always saw them: Godlike combat monsters that due to many factors (but I'm sure being taken at the cusp of teenhood and then spending the next 30 years being pumped full of enhancing crap and being told that you're the hottest gak to ever exist doesn't help) are childlike in their monstrous focus on murder to the point where they're scarcely able to be in the same room as normal people.

The pre-heresy World Eaters have to be up there. As a legion they know what they are and are not bashful about it. They know they are butchers and see no shame in it, more so than even Russ' Dogs, it's a refreshing honesty

Post heresy it's the Salamanders for me. A chapter that embrances what humanity they have left and fight for the little guy until the end.

ShatteredBlade wrote:Sons of Medusa, hands down. I love their Fluff, and believe it or not, their paint scheme as well.

I gotta say Iron Hands. Bionic implants, being as much machine as Astartes and totally merciless. They are exactly the kind of Space Marines the Imperium needs to save its rear.

Ignatius wrote:

bmoleski wrote:Mine is Alpha Legion. They are my favorite loyalist chapter.

Fixed it for you

That's where I stand on the issue anyways.

This is great... its so true you really for sure cant know what these sneaks are really up to. I like them too


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I gotta say my favorite chaos legion is the word bearers. If i was for chaos, which im not, id pick them because they started it all. Anyhow i think its really cool that they chant there nonsense while in combat


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Also i really loved the luna wolves. Pre heresy.

Imperial Fists all the way. Stubborn fighters with a great mentality and awesome fluff.

Black Templars.

Second place goes to Imperial Fists.

1. Dark Angels: the First Legion, intractable and fearless in a fight.

2. Exorcists: A new generation of Daemonhunters, are possessed by a daemon and then excised to increase demonic resistance.

3. Aurora Chapter: A chapter that specializes in armored warfare.

I rather like the Black Templars. Especially after reading helsreach. Most are pompous jerks, but Grimaldus shows how one could still fight for the civilians (towards the end) and fight to the last. although they rather fight than save civilians in most cases (spoiler: their disagreement with the salamanders)

my second favorite is the Ultramarines and my third is the Crimson Fists.

The Black Templars. They've continued the Crusades that the Emperor started...for 10,000 years!

If it was good enough for the Emperor, it's good enough for the Men in Black, the Sons of Dorn, the Emperor's Champions, The BLACK TEMPLARS!

Mine has to be the Iron Snakes... knock the book if you wwill(i thought it was great) but my near totally painted force of them drew a metric crapload of good comments at the lgs last weekend.
Not to mention their fluff.. i really dig that there are no companies and no scouts in the Iron Snakes, plus the squad retains its name from the original commander, and his weapon is passed down from leader to leader.

After them, it's gptta be the Raven Guard, or really, the Death Guard for my chaos fancies.

Death Specteres, they have the best symbol IMO.

Raven Guard, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, you know the sneaky basterds.

1. Crimson Fists
2. Salamanders
3. Raven Guard
Favorite chaos legion: Thousand sons.

I can't believe more don't like the BA

Blood angels are absolutely awesome, but nowhere near my favorite.

ah, well thanks for the BA support

Salamanders!

I love just about everything about this chapter. The humanitarian aspects of them are brought up frequently- so I won't even use that here.

They follow a unique approach training and recruitment that, while keeping their numbers low, creates a hardened core. This is enhanced by their equipment being incredibly well maintained and constructed, since each member of the chapter is an accomplished smith- which leaves their real elite crafters to make true masterpieces.

I love an underdog, and their primarch, Vulkan, I feel is consistently underrated. He drove off a dark eldar raid using forge hammers. He contested his father for days in feats of strength, but bent his knee to him when he demonstrated compassion and a value for life. He's obviously, to me at least, on the high end of the primarch martial power scale, but is tempered by his better nature.

I also love a mystery, even if this one frustrates me. The circumstances of the primarch Vulkan during the heresy are annoyingly vague. He vanished from the DSM mysteriously, but there was no indication of death. And Primarch deaths tend to be quite obvious. He objected to the legions being split in to chapters (not that it mattered to the Salamanders directly at that point), he created powerful artifacts and a prophecy, and then left his sons to find them and unravel it.

(My personal theory is that at the DSM, he disappeared through the webway by some means. I support this with his general emnity towards the Dark Eldar of his home world, and experience giving some insight in to their methods, combined with a mission big E sent the Salamanders on, where he lead them to a webway gate intentionally, combined with Vulkan's ability to create artifacts. I theorize that he had created, or modified, some device that could access the webway in some primitive way, and he either used it, and it backfired, or it was otherwise activated, and he had a difficult time getting out. This explains his DSM vanishing act, and return.)

The chapter itself is a stalwart, heavy fighting force. Plus they are green. And use fire. Like my Orks. So they're a good change of pace from my Orks theme wise, but retain the green. And the fire.

There was at least one person who liked blood angels. The majority seemed to be blood ravens, black templars and imperial fists though.

My Favorite is the Dark Angels, they're arngy dark and I love how their whole existance is bent twords sweeping their past heresy under the rug,


Favorite choas has gotta be Thousands sons, mostly its the paint shceme, but tha fact their all just rubric marines is pretty cool too

Blood Angels, the noble scions of Sanquinius, the most noble of all the Primarchs, are my favorite legion and chapter. I love their fluff, and their colors and dex. If I had a second it would be the lamenters cause I love the fluff and the fact that like Sanquinius they are the most human of all the Adeptus Astartes.

Iron Hands are pretty awesome. Unlike many other chapters, these guys are psychologically messed up due to their horrid and dark past! The Iron Hands are scarred like the Blood angels, which make them much more sinister than their noble brethren. I love them for it.

If it helps I'm going to be using my Angry Marines as counts-as Blood Angels.

There we go Brother Thomas, more people liking blood angels the most. Now their near the top of the list of the most favorite chapters.

Haha, Yes they all just sprung out of no where

Blood ravens are coming first on 5, blood angels second on 4, utramarines, lost count but I think they were on 3, imperial fists and salamanders were tied on 2 each with black Templar. I think I counted this right. I have skipped out on the chapters who only have one vote.
For traitor legions it seems to be thousand sosn then detah guard.

Mantis Warriors i mean they are just awesome they outsmart DE, they fall from the grace of the Imperium and are sent on a 100 year penitent crusade and then they get their good name back by killing a bunch of nids and saving a bunch of people, they have elite sniper teams and I'm not going to lie that mantis head that is their chapter's symbol is what got me to notice them.

I have read a short about the Mantis Warriors...I enjoyed it.

Sorry Black Legion they got the most awesome color sceme as it says "Bling!...Bling! Baby! Now Die!"

Imperial Fists. They're yellow. They'll hit you with their fists.

LordWynne wrote:Sorry Black Legion they got the most awesome color sceme as it says "Bling!...Bling! Baby! Now Die!"

Black legion is probably my least favorite as i used to love the luna wolves

The only thing about the black legion for me is I see them everywhere - a very common Chaos Paint job. I value that which is a little more unique, or should I say, less commonly done.

Alpha Legion: why send a Chapter/Legion when one mortal will do. Salamanders are a close second tho.

Either Iron Warriors or Space Wolves.
I can't pick which one, though.

The raven guard, smart tactics

I really like the Avenging Sons, the Raptors and the Salamanders.

1: the Avenging Sons: one of the none silly chapters.(the Tundra Bees? really?) they also are one of the less fanatic ones like the Black Templars.

The Raptors: Reasonable Marines.

Salamanders: decent folks who don't have to be sterilized and celibate all of the time.

My fav chapter is by far legion of the damned. Even though they are not really a chapter i like the idea of them. Being almost all but eraticated they lived up to their former name as the fire hawks, they were reborn from ash as the LotD. Tey fight in utter slince and fight for the imperium of man no matter how strong the enamy is. If fellow men are in danger the apear from the warp and slay the xenos then just as quick as they appeared they vanish.

Dark Angels, but then thats who I play so probably a tad baised. Outside of them ... I really enjoy Mentors, Crimson Fists, Death Guard, and Thousand Sons.

okay im going all out i really like the black templars, their loyalty is almost as astounding as their tenacity,
second is the crimson fists they are one of the coolest chapters ever because they have nearly been whipped out several times and they just get back on their feet.
next up are the iron knights they are the only chapter two have on the centennial feast of blades competition on 2 consecutive occasions
then their are the grey knights who are the stalwart defense against the daemons of chaos and epitomize the true mage knight
and lastly the preherasy death guard they have heros like Nathaniel Garro and before they were death guard they were the dusk raiders who would paint their armor in such a way that when they attacked (usually at dusk) their armor would be hard to see

just as a not for Shadox the exorcist are the only successor chapter to the grey knights so that makes them pretty cool

Black Templars for me, thanks. Whats not to like about Super-Human Crusade-y-ness?

Iron Hands....They dislike everyone, it's a binary thing.

1. Alpha Legion, the epitome of sneaky
2. Tie between Raptors and Exorcists both seem kinda Reasonable Marine(ish)
3. Minotaurs (ANGER!!!!!!! and not afraid to tell Ultramarines to their face that they think Ultramarines suck)

King Pariah wrote:1. Alpha Legion, the epitome of sneaky
2. Tie between Raptors and Exorcists both seem kinda Reasonable Marine(ish)
3. Minotaurs (ANGER!!!!!!! and not afraid to tell Ultramarines to their face that they think Ultramarines suck)

Yeah but the Ultramarines are the "Proffesionals" imo

Well, let's see...

1) Raven Guard for their tactics.
2) Exorcists because they're cool.
3) Ultramarines because they know how to not fudge things up.
4) Mentor Legion because they are exactly what I would want a Space Marine Chapter to be: elite and wielding powerful weapons.
5) Alpha Legion because they have a lot of mystique surrounding them.

King Pariah wrote:1. Alpha Legion, the epitome of sneaky
2. Tie between Raptors and Exorcists both seem kinda Reasonable Marine(ish)
3. Minotaurs (ANGER!!!!!!! and not afraid to tell Ultramarines to their face that they think Ultramarines suck)

YEAH! Raptors and Minotaurs.
In order for me.
1/2. Emperor's Children and Dark Angels, I like that the Emperor's Children were obsessed with perfection and that Fabius Bile is a hilarious mad scientist, also Deathwing and Ravenwing are cool, plus the Dark Angels are the first legion which boosts them a tiny bit.
3. Raptors, they use drab colours, they generally remain at a distance, and it seems like they have a habit of heavy casualties, which is always cool.
4. Minotarus, not much to say which hasn't already been said.
5. A new addition, the Lamenters, the poor, poor cursed bastards. It is a miracle that they haven't fallen to chaos.
6. Another new addition, the Iron Warriors, still organized, they are grimdark siege masters, and their battle cry is awesome.

I thought the perfectionism displayed b the Emperor's Children was amazing too, to bad the dumb #*@!'s went Kaos

I always thought Hawk Lords were cool, plus their paintscheme would be very striking. It would be sweet to have an army themed around how they pilot Thunderhawk gunships.

never read about em :(

evildrspock wrote:I always thought Hawk Lords were cool, plus their paintscheme would be very striking. It would be sweet to have an army themed around how they pilot Thunderhawk gunships.

WHAT? like "Brother Maverick there is ork Figta-bomba on our Tail" "Thank you Brother Goose" "Brother Iceman just made a kill" "Brother Hollywood crashed".

Yeah we'll call it the Bruckheimer Chapter, and the Chapter Master can be called Don Simpson...

There is only one

Prima legio et honore filii Leo
The first legion, The honored, The sons of Lion

Dark Angels
Hoc est ubi mori

Ultramarines


Ultramarines = Space Marines.
Space Marines = Ultramarines.


All the others all feel... cluttered... like a defacing the minimalist brutality of a muscle car with gaudy rims and ugly air-brushing, just to be "special" and "different".

The Space Wolves were the exemplar of what the Emperor wanted the Space Marines to be, not the Ultramarines. The book "A Thousand Sons" made this canon. In fact, the Codex Astartes wasn't approved until after the Emperor died and it directly violated how he had set up the Legions.

Bam.

LoneLictor wrote:The Space Wolves were the exemplar of what the Emperor wanted the Space Marines to be, not the Ultramarines. The book "A Thousand Sons" made this canon. In fact, the Codex Astartes wasn't approved until after the Emperor died and it directly violated how he had set up the Legions.

Bam.

A.: Black Library is not canon.

B.: Arcane background schenengans ain't gonna change that Ultramarines = Space Marines. The Heresy, the TS, even the Emperor weren't even invented yet when they came up with the concept of Space Marines. Black Library wasn't yet created.

C: Space Wolves are a rather typical example of conceptual clutter. Of Space Marines, who are also Viking/Werewolves/special-snowflakes-who-don't-like-to-play-by-the-rules.

D: 30K is not the setting of 40K

E: The mention you make from a Thousand Sons was a slur from Magnus in direct speech, likely to demean the Emperor, or at least demonstrate his oppinion of the Wolves/the Emperor. Either way, it presents the limited, biased view of one character in the book. It's hardly something said by an omniscient narrator.

Salamanders. I like being able to play one of the few Chapters that can clearly be called 'good guys.' I also really enjoy their color scheme, which consistently comes out looking gorgeous on the tabletop, even across different interpretations and artists.

Jimsolo wrote:Salamanders. I like being able to play one of the few Chapters that can clearly be called 'good guys.' I also really enjoy their color scheme, which consistently comes out looking gorgeous on the tabletop, even across different interpretations and artists.

Also having a Special character that makes them absolutely amazing in 5th edition

Jimsolo wrote:Salamanders. I like being able to play one of the few Chapters that can clearly be called 'good guys.' I also really enjoy their color scheme, which consistently comes out looking gorgeous on the tabletop, even across different interpretations and artists.

I agree, i wouldnt mind being a salamander as i like having my family, but at the same time im pretty savage...

I like any of the traitor legions.

Once they realized the emperor was a wuss....

they bailed... leaving all the little emperor dorks to pick up the scraps =]

Ah if only the chaos codex didnt get nerfed!

If I were to play SM, I would want to play any of the following..
White Scars
Black Templars
Soul Drinkers
Red Scorpians.

Tried keeping track of which chapter was winning until people started putting multiple chapters (including me). By the looks of it Blood ravens, blood angels, salamanders, ultramarines, alpha legion and black templars are the top contenders at the moment. I think blood ravens are still just in the lead.

I also quite like the Crimson Suns Chapter from the Netepic Gold book, I know its a Fan made one but they are pretty cool.

http://www.netepic.org/

Crimson Suns
The Crimson Suns were founded during the 22nd Founding using geneseed tithes from the White Scars Chapter. Upon reaching codex strength they were ordered to join the Mandaria Crusade, in which the new Chapter proved itself in spearheading many planetary assaults. During the liberation of Ryuten II the terminators of 1st Company distinguished themselves by fighting their way through to the main command centre and executing the rebel commander. Warmaster Mandaria was so impressed he granted the Crimson Suns the right of conquest, and Ryuten II has been the Chapter’s home world ever since.
Ryuten II long had a strong warrior-aristocracy called Samurai, from which the Crimson Suns drew their recruits. Over time the chapter adapted certain practices of the warrior-aristocracy, including a preference for melee combat and a distain for heavy weapons. The motto of the Crimson Suns is: “Better to die with honor than to live with shame.” They live for the purpose of destroying the Emperor’s enemies, preferably in melee, and there is no greater honor than to die in battle. They favor lightning assaults and planetary drops to get into melee quickly.

Company
1st Hatamoto Company
2nd - 5th Assault Companies
6th - 9th Tactical Companies
10th Ashigaru Company

Very cool.

Because I was bored, the votes are as follows:
6: Black Templars
5: Blood Ravens, Dark Angels.
4: Blood Angels, Ultramarines.
3: Alpha Legion, Crimson Fists, Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Salamanders.
2: Imperial Fists, Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons, Sons of Medusa, Space Wolves, White Scars.
1: Angry Marines, Astral Claws, Avenging Sons, Crimson Suns, Death Guard, Death Specters, Executioners, Exorcists, Iron Snakes, Iron Warriors, Lamententers, Legion of the Damned, Mantis Warriors, Mentors, Pre-Heresy Emperors Children, Pre-Heresy World Eaters, Raven Guard.

Imperial fists and crimson fists. The IF helped with most of the defence on terra while the crimson fists are like the underdog style chapter. Being almost obliterated, they still had their nerve against the orks finally wiping them out.

Because I can never choose

Best: Lamenters
2nd: Executioners
3rd: Mentor Legion
4th: Tiger Claws
5th Astral Claws
6th: Crimson Fists
7th: Rainbow Warriors
8th: Space Sharks
9th: Fire Hawks/Legion of the Damned

(Yeah, I'm old school)

Seriously Rainbow Warriors? They are awful, they should call themselves the Elton John Marines. From the rest of your List I can safely concluded you are a Nut for all things Badab. Yeah, nevermind "bomb happy" it's more like "Badab Happy" .

My favorite chapter is the Carcharodons (aka Space Sharks). They are incredibly viscous and relentless. I like the idea of an ancient crusade chapter that has existed out of contact with the IOM for centuries at a time. They use codes and dialects that are all but forgotten. Plus, chainfist lightning claws.

Honestly, I love the ferocity of the Carcharodons, but after reading the Badab stuff, I really do not like them. Their tactics are fantastic, but their practices against civilians, and even other chapters, makes them quite the douchebag chapter.

mwnciboo wrote:Seriously Rainbow Warriors? They are awful, they should call themselves the Elton John Marines. From the rest of your List I can safely concluded you are a Nut for all things Badab. Yeah, nevermind "bomb happy" it's more like "Badab Happy" .

I am a Badab nut, it is true. Always have been. Mentor Legion & Crimson Fists are not from the Badab War though! As for Rainbow Warriors, I was kinda joking, but although very little was ever done with them officially, there was some cool stuff around about them being like South American tribal guys. Jaguar Warriors and so on. Might have even been on Dakka.

IGdude354 wrote:The Raven Guard. They try to use clever and smart tactics (hit and run, tactical/strategic insertion) and are still able to maintain dignity even after Corax's attempted cloning campaign.

^ this, they're basically space marine ninjas based heavily off of Edgar Allen Poe's "The raven", what's not to like?

plus the fact that not only did they regain dignity, they suffered 96% casualties at Istvaan and still escaped the system with 3 legions after them (outnumbered at least 30 to one), then fresh from that were ambushed by the alpha legion and survived that, too, then the disappearance (most likely death) of thier primarch shortly after that. They were practically gakked on majorly through the whole heresy and are still around to this day, following the tactics that ensured their chapter's survival 10,000 years before.

Blood Angels of course!

I mean come on, they have the best Chapter Master out of all of the other Chapters. Who was chosen to lead the campaign for Armageddon? Dante! Their Primarch forsaw his death and still teleported onto Horus' battle barge knowing full well he would be going to his death. And lets not forget Mephiston.

Glad to see that many people favour the chapters that had participated within the Badab War engagement: the Minotaurs, Sons of Medusa, Astral Claws, Star Phantoms, Space Sharks amongst many others. Although, my own personal favourite chapter, the Mantis Warriors, who to my surprise have already been briefly mentioned, IMO are the most underrated and badass chapter established within the canon.

Why?

First, consider that they where created pre-Rouge Trader era by GW and expanded fluff-wise as part of the secessionists within the Badab War, who, unlike the Astral Claws who, within certain pieces of canon, had succumbed to rebellion as a result of chaos influence, openly gave the finger to the high lords and the Imperium, but not to the Emperor. Moreover, after having been defeated by the Loyalist forces, the Mantis Warriors chose to begin a century long crusade to repay the Imperium, instead of being like traditional Mary Sues and running (like the Astral Claws).

Second, within specific canon, the Mantis Warriors are dedicated stealth practitioners. That's right. 8-feet tall, walking slabs of metal, who apparently paint their armour in mediocre camouflage patterns and stick twigs in their helmets, are apparently some of the best stealth units the Imperium has to offer. Mind-boggoling. Again, a perfect example of the badassary and complete silliness that made pre-spiritual liege GW chapters the best.

Finally, they have single-handidly saved C.S. "Multilasers" Goto's career, "Trial of the Mantis Warriors" being the only short which people have actually ever enjoyed from him. This, in it's own right, is completely badass.

Well Ultras rule for me...

Its not exactly matching up as to why, but I feel like the post by VT summaries my feelings too on the UM awesomeness

Veteran Sergeant wrote: ...Horus then used the fact that he knew Guilliman would follow his orders to make sure the Ultramarines, the legion he knew was the strongest and most dangerous to his plans, were as far away as possible so he made up an assignment that would require the whole legion and gave it to the Ultramarines. And he sent the second largest legion to try and take them by surprise. But the Ultramarines managed to both defeat the Word Bearers, and remain the largest and strongest of legions. That's pretty bad ass. I mean, I've been an Ultramarines players since long before the Horus Heresy was anything more than a few paragraphs long, but hey, the truth is what it is.

You can hate the Ultramarines for whatever silly reasons your brain has concocted. Because you don't like the 5th Edition Codex, or Matt Ward, or who knows whatever nonsense you've cooked up. But the facts remain the same. They were the most successful legion before the Heresy, they were the most successful after it, and they've been the most successful Chapter since the Second Founding. Plus, their primarch wrote the book on being a Space Marine, literally. The book described as being like a mix of Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, and every other military genius for 30,000 years. How do we know all of this? Because Rick Priestley, the creator of 40K, told us so, twenty years ago almost, long before Matt Ward painted his first miniature.

After UM, I like the Iron Snakes. As soon as I finish converting and painting 2k of Tanith, I plan on making 1k ish of Iron Snakes to aid any other armies that need their awesome awesomeness.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Snakes

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Snakes#.T59sdLNYssI

I've gotta say that the Thousand Sons are my favourite fluff wise. They're probably the biggest reason I play chaos and dislike the Emperor. They were wronged more than any other legion IMHO, and because of the Emperor's short-sightedness ended up siding with Horus and Chaos. The real kicker to me is that after being chastised for their practice of psychic powers and ultimately turning traitor, the loyalist forces began using sorcery themselves, and even sponsored one of the most psychically powerful forces in the galaxy in the form of the Grey Knights.

I can't decide between the Salamanders (not enough people in the Imperium who attain high military rank give a crap about the Emperor's people), Raven Guard who are just plain awesome and Mantis Warriors who outsmarted DE (though they had to let them commit to a raid, however it was portrayed as a hard decision and not a callous one, as they were trying to protect the entire sector from that kabal) and are grate tacticians and have specialized sniper units formed from full fledged battle brothers.
I guess ill have to go with the Mantis Warriors who just don't have a lot of fans.

Black Templar will always be mine due to the fact that they are the only chapter that still resembles a legion. Rather than sitting around as a glorified police force like the codex chapters, they still follow the original aim of the space marines to conquer all known worlds in the name of humanity.

They pretty much hate everyone, and as per "Helsreach" they have little regard for protecting civilians when it comes to killing an enemy warboss. What other chapters chain their weapons to themselves?

Movac wrote:What other chapters are actual weapons themselves?

Fix'd

Dark Angels, because no-one really knows nothing about them, because they are thought of as traitorous due to events beyond their control, and beacuse their sole aim in life is to redeem themselves......awwww so cute!


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Dark Angels, because no-one really knows nothing about them, because they are thought of as traitorous due to events beyond their control, and beacuse their sole aim in life is to redeem themselves......awwww so cute!

Hmmm...Not sure there, they have a fair few HH books on them, they are very much fleshed out.

The Deathwing story is still amazing, Bill King set the bar high there, and I still love seeing the North American Indian references on the models, although these days there seems less and less of this as they have become more generic bone coloured terminators..

Black Templars. It's a freaking Crusade....with Space Marines. What's not to like?!

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:Black Templars. It's a freaking Legion. What's not to like?!

Fix'd lol

Gonna be honest, if we're just talking color scheme I'd have to go with the forge world chapter. The red scorpions they look awesome, symbol is meh but then most are.

Overall though I like the Ultra Marines the most, thats kinda why I made them for my army. They have a solid color scheme, a great set of lore and play a big role in almost everything in the galaxy. But my favorite thing about them is they have no stupid gak. I hate this about most other chapters, like the salamanders have this great [mocking voice] dark flaw [/mocking voice] or the blood angels and their [mocking voice] dark curse [/mocking voice] or even the space wolves that are [mocking voice] the most savage evar [/mocking voice], its all just stupid gak thrown in to give them a reason to not use the same codex.

Frankly if a chapter wants to set it self apart they should do so through their actions, not through some stupid dark curse flaw bs that serves no fething purpose other than to make someone sound special.

@bibblles

*cough cough* red scorpions *cough cough*

King Pariah wrote:@bibblles

*cough cough* red scorpions *cough cough*

I checked forgeworld's page just soon enough after posting that to return and see you had corrected me, so thank you.

Blood Angels. Because any army that can take insane (literally) psychopathic DREADNOUGHTS is alright in my book. They have so many Land Raiders they don't know what to do with them, they put assault cannons on preds, all their rhino-based tanks are fast, and they have this special group of guys called the Death Company, who are bat**** insane.

But the dreads pretty much take the cake.

The Celestial Lions. They very openly spoke out against the brutality of the inquisition and were subsequently sabotaged into oblivion by inquisition lackeys during the 3rd war for Armageddon. During one 3 hour battle all but 1 of the the chapter's apothecaries were killed in action by ork "sniper fire", the last one took a sniper round to the head a few days later... went out like bosses though.

Other than that i would say the legion of the damned.

Dr.Painboy wrote:The Celestial Lions. They very openly spoke out against the brutality of the inquisition and were subsequently sabotaged into oblivion by inquisition lackeys during the 3rd war for Armageddon. During one 3 hour battle all but 1 of the the chapter's apothecaries were killed in action by ork "sniper fire", the last one took a sniper round to the head a few days later... went out like bosses though.

Other than that i would say the legion of the damned.

They're all still bopping around. Not the Apothecaries, but those that weren't ambushed into narnia.

McNinja wrote:

Dr.Painboy wrote:The Celestial Lions. They very openly spoke out against the brutality of the inquisition and were subsequently sabotaged into oblivion by inquisition lackeys during the 3rd war for Armageddon. During one 3 hour battle all but 1 of the the chapter's apothecaries were killed in action by ork "sniper fire", the last one took a sniper round to the head a few days later... went out like bosses though.

Other than that i would say the legion of the damned.

They're all still bopping around. Not the Apothecaries, but those that weren't ambushed into narnia.

Last I knew, they sought protection in Ultramarine space... kind of a safe haven... don't think the fluff has taken them any further than that

Lobukia wrote:

McNinja wrote:

Dr.Painboy wrote:The Celestial Lions. They very openly spoke out against the brutality of the inquisition and were subsequently sabotaged into oblivion by inquisition lackeys during the 3rd war for Armageddon. During one 3 hour battle all but 1 of the the chapter's apothecaries were killed in action by ork "sniper fire", the last one took a sniper round to the head a few days later... went out like bosses though.

Other than that i would say the legion of the damned.

They're all still bopping around. Not the Apothecaries, but those that weren't ambushed into narnia.

Last I knew, they sought protection in Ultramarine space... kind of a safe haven... don't think the fluff has taken them any further than that

Lexicanum says they're still on Armageddon. I'm not sure which codex their fluff is in, but I think that this is clearly a "make up your own ending," like they're rebuilding their chapter slowly and a bit under-the-radar.

McNinja wrote:

Lobukia wrote:

McNinja wrote:

Dr.Painboy wrote:The Celestial Lions. They very openly spoke out against the brutality of the inquisition and were subsequently sabotaged into oblivion by inquisition lackeys during the 3rd war for Armageddon. During one 3 hour battle all but 1 of the the chapter's apothecaries were killed in action by ork "sniper fire", the last one took a sniper round to the head a few days later... went out like bosses though.

Other than that i would say the legion of the damned.

They're all still bopping around. Not the Apothecaries, but those that weren't ambushed into narnia.

Last I knew, they sought protection in Ultramarine space... kind of a safe haven... don't think the fluff has taken them any further than that

Lexicanum says they're still on Armageddon. I'm not sure which codex their fluff is in, but I think that this is clearly a "make up your own ending," like they're rebuilding their chapter slowly and a bit under-the-radar.

It's good they haven't closed the book on them, i always liked their fluff.

Emperors Children! They achieved the perfection of decadence and self-indulgence they wanted and Fulgrim owned more primarchs in the heresy than any other. Guiliman? laughable. Ferrus? Decapitated
SM with the freedom to indulge there every whim and pursue perfection as they see fit? EC is where its at.

I didnt like emperors children because they took perfection to the point of arrogance

Brother Thomas wrote:I didnt like emperors children because they took perfection to the point of arrogance

Arrogance can be justified if you are as good as you say. lol No they aren’t as noble or righteous as loyalist chapters, but they shed the chains of discipline and useless chivalry to become far more than the blood angels or many of the other legions. Same ideals... different paths. Chaos is the only answer to humanities survival

mwnciboo wrote:Iron Hands....They dislike everyone, it's a binary thing.

There are only 2 kinds of people in this world...those who under stand binary, and those who dont..

sorry had to make the bad joke

id say mine is the Dark Angels there so awesome .


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Dark angels for me

The Unforgiven (Dark Angels and successors) in general because they're awesome, the Knights of Bone in particular because I made them up.

It just occurred to me - between the Dark Angels, Dark Eldar, and Inquisition, I've covered all three armies that are the most accomplished torturers in the galaxy...

Backspacehacker wrote:

mwnciboo wrote:Iron Hands....They dislike everyone, it's a binary thing.

There are only 2 kinds of people in this world...those who under stand binary, and those who dont..

sorry had to make the bad joke

except there are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't....


you ruined the punch line mate

Coolyo294 wrote:Ultramarines. They almost singlehandedly prevented the Imperium from fragmenting after the Heresy, as well as writing the Codex Astartes and having an awesome colour scheme.

Not like the IF smashed the first black crusade to pieces during that time period

Imperial Fists are by far my favourite. Their primary characteristics are nobility, honesty and honour, something I think all space marines should aspire to. They are the best siege-masters...period. They are inured to pain due to intensive pain glove sessions, they are the stereotypical Knights in Shining Armour, even amongst the space marines, with their warriors trials, their honour duels, their castles etc.

PLUS they look bitchin

PLUS it takes nads like grapefruits to walk into battle in bright yellow/gold

PLUS they have the single largest ship in the entire imperium, rivaled only by the craftworlds and the necron world ship (is that what it's called?) in size (it has it's own ecosystems :O)

Also, I really like their fluff history, the fact that they're basically THE reason the Imperial Palace held, how they save the mechanicus in the martian civil war, and that fluff piece about how they create amazing tank-hunting doctrine that was so efficient the mechanized Iron Hands told them not to share it.

Plus, Land Raider Achilles.

And finally...LYSANDER

FInally for real, Rogal Dorn has a pimpin mustache.


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AnomanderRake wrote:The Unforgiven (Dark Angels and successors) in general because they're awesome, the Knights of Bone in particular because I made them up.

It just occurred to me - between the Dark Angels, Dark Eldar, and Inquisition, I've covered all three armies that are the most accomplished torturers in the galaxy...

Except the IF.

By the way, I like your username. Reaper's Gale was my favourite book from that series.


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Laughing God wrote:Emperors Children! They achieved the perfection of decadence and self-indulgence they wanted and Fulgrim owned more primarchs in the heresy than any other. Guiliman? laughable. Ferrus? Decapitated
SM with the freedom to indulge there every whim and pursue perfection as they see fit? EC is where its at.

Possessed for both of those fights, just saying.

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:They are the best siege-masters...period.

*Cough cough* Iron Warriors *cough cough* Iron Cage *cough cough*

Salamanders because they care about regular humans

King Pariah wrote:

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:They are the best siege-masters...period.

*Cough cough* Iron Warriors *cough cough* Iron Cage *cough cough*

Rogal Dorn intentionally sent them there, to break them so they could be reformed into chapters.

And either way, they were still kicking ass. The IW, even though they were the ambushers, didn't have the strength to wipe the IF.

Black Templars. They realise the Codex Astartes is a load of shazbot, after all, if you have to restrict yourselves to prevent yourselves turning to Chaos, you obviously don't have any confidence in your own faith .
Aside from that, they all run around with chainswords, they run faster the more of them die and theres like seven times as many of them as almost any other chapter (except Space Wolves).

Black Templars. Religious fanatics with a crusader era style? Hellz Yeah!

Also the Marines Malevolent, they know that the civillians of the imperium are worth squat and would kill 10,000 of them to kill 100 Orks!

Really hard for me, Probably a tussle between Dark Angels, Night lords and Raven Guard.

The latter two because i like sneakiness and as a secondary point the raven guard's 'realistic' portrayal in FW fluff.

The dark angels because as a six year old they were the first warhams i ever saw. Alot of the grim dark artwork of 2nd edition 40k features them.

Runner up is probably the fists but only because i like the idea of futuristic siege warfare and yellow space marines. I have no particular love for their fluff.

@smudgethekat: I believe the salamanders also have a strength of over 7000 marines.