I was at my Local GW today and was speaking to the store manager about starting a Codex Marine army, and having been a major customer for them in the past he was more than excited to help me. I talked to a guy who I have played teambattles with before about it as well.
That day I brought some printed screen shots I took in Warhammer 40k: Space Marine to outline the design for my army, the Chapter is named: The Celestial Marines. Here are my sceens.
The Store Manager liked them, as well as my teamplayer but another on the GW staff looked at them, then looked up at me and asked "Are you serious? You Imperial Guard Army with those Luna marks from My little Pony were enough but now your going to make a fething Space Marine chapter out of the other Princess?" I told him "Well, considering I have a Imperial Guard army I just wanted to branch out into Space Marines, see what it's like".
He told me "This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies", after which I told him "I have made this store well over 1,000 dollars in profits and have attended many a game here, who the hell do you think you are to ridicule my army painting choice? My Imperial Guard army was not even fething visibly MLP related!". He then said: "That makes it no less childish of you to constantly shove that little girls show down our throats". Another guy in the store then piped up and said "Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"
After he said that I stormed out, and told them they would be lucky if they ever saw me there again. Was I justified in what I said, or was I just being aggressive and overreacting?
You were plenty justified, the guy was being an arse hat of royal magnitude. Nobody can tell you how to paint your army, or criticize a paintjob due to inspiration alone. You can criticize painting for quality or just an ugly scheme, your scheme was really nice, and this guy went beyond the line of criticism and was just being rude, if I were you I'd see if I could file a report with GW against this guy (He was a GW employee, right? if so, he was WAY out of line.)
Not sure if serious...I see absolutely nothing wrong with that paint scheme. I mean, yeah, some people take this game really seriously, and funny paint schemes can take away from the grimderp feel of it all....but thats....pretty over the top.
Its your money, your time, paint them however the hell you want man.
Yes. Never stand for ridicule. While smack talking about armies I believe is fair game , they singled you out, which is not ok. I believe the GW employee was out of line and the other guy who chimmed in should get the boot from the store till he learned some manners.
That's the Fleur de Lis...
If he has a problem with it he can take it up with Joan of Arc...
At any rate they were being idiots so you're well within your rights to be annoyed and angry at them.
Thanks guys, I was truly beside my self with anger at what he said. I merely use the color schemes from MLP for inspiration and never include any actual pony models so I felt his claims were ridiculous.
The Store manager called me later and said this was not the first time his fellow staff manager did this, and he has been "removed from the stores staff", he also said the guy who chimed in at the end wanted to apologize to me. So situation averted since I really enjoyed playing at that store.
Thanks also for all the compliments on the color scheme! I always liked the Fluer De Lis as a symbol and have used it on my Tanks before, but I wanted to use it for a major symbol so, thus I used it on my new marines.
Both of those guys deserve a swift kick to the head. In a hobby that actually encourages it's players to come up with their own paint schemes and designs they were simply being rude and for no good reason. In my opinion You didn't over react at all and I probably would have said a few more choice words to the offenders.
Based on his reaction to the Fleur de Lis, I wonder how he'd react if someone came in to the store with an SoB army; he'd probably have an apoplexy...
...Anyone free to take their SoB army down to Alex's GW store
Anywho, you're well within your rights to be angry, and also well within your rights to complain; his comments about it not being a gaybar where you can discuss rainbows and ponies could well be seen as a homphobic slur, even if you're not homosexual (anyone around there at the time could well have been), and as a staff member, those types of comments should not be accepted when used in that fashion.
He also swore first if your transcript is correct, which, depending on the time of day, whether or not it was a veterans night, or or mitigating circumstances, is just as 'not on' as his other comment, both because he escalated the discussion with its use, and didn't care if any customers heard him.
The fact that another hobbyist joined in is further reason to complain, since he's setting a bad example and could even be seen as trying to turn other gamers against you for no reason.
Get your mad face on and get on the blower to Head Office.
EDIT: Bah, I take the time to type out a nice long post, and it's already sorted.
Avatar 720 wrote:Based on his reaction to the Fleur de Lis, I wonder how he'd react if someone came in to the store with an SoB army; he'd probably have an apoplexy...
Woah! I don't think this is a Spiritual Liege we are talking about here!
Avatar 720 wrote:Based on his reaction to the Fleur de Lis, I wonder how he'd react if someone came in to the store with an SoB army; he'd probably have an apoplexy...
...Anyone free to take their SoB army down to Alex's GW store
Anywho, you're well within your rights to be angry, and also well within your rights to complain; his comments about it not being a gaybar where you can discuss rainbows and ponies could well be seen as a homphobic slur, even if you're not homosexual (anyone around there at the time could well have been), and as a staff member, those types of comments should not be accepted when used in that fashion.
He also swore first if your transcript is correct, which, depending on the time of day, whether or not it was a veterans night, or or mitigating circumstances, is just as 'not on' as his other comment, both because he escalated the discussion with its use, and didn't care if any customers heard him.
The fact that another hobbyist joined in is further reason to complain, since he's setting a bad example and could even be seen as trying to turn other gamers against you for no reason.
Get your mad face on and get on the blower to Head Office.
EDIT: Bah, I take the time to type out a nice long post, and it's already sorted.
Thank you, we do not yet have a SoB army at the store, but I think I remember some one talking about starting one.
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The Store Manager liked them, as well as my teamplayer but another on the GW staff looked at them, then looked up at me and asked "Are you serious? You Imperial Guard Army with those Luna marks from My little Pony were enough but now your going to make a fething Space Marine chapter out of the other Princess?" I told him "Well, considering I have a Imperial Guard army I just wanted to branch out into Space Marines, see what it's like".
He told me "This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies", after which I told him "I have made this store well over 1,000 dollars in profits and have attended many a game here, who the hell do you think you are to ridicule my army painting choice? My Imperial Guard army was not even fething visibly MLP related!". He then said: "That makes it no less childish of you to constantly shove that little girls show down our throats". Another guy in the store then piped up and said "Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"
After he said that I stormed out, and told them they would be lucky if they ever saw me there again. Was I justified in what I said, or was I just being aggressive and overreacting?
I'd call troll by the Store guys but after your very coherent post and a good explanation I have two words for the store to**ers:
Not a lot you can do in the face of that nonsense, mate, try and find another store/report the manager/explain one last time why they are as they are.
How did that guy recogise it as a My Little Pony theme? My exposure to MLP consisted of watching the first episode of FiM to check that it was as bad as I suspected, then ignoring it. I had no idea from lookig at the pictures that the scheme was anything to do with the show. It's not like it's all pastels and pinks or anything.
The Store Manager liked them, as well as my teamplayer but another on the GW staff looked at them, then looked up at me and asked "Are you serious? You Imperial Guard Army with those Luna marks from My little Pony were enough but now your going to make a fething Space Marine chapter out of the other Princess?" I told him "Well, considering I have a Imperial Guard army I just wanted to branch out into Space Marines, see what it's like".
He told me "This is just ridiculous this is a Adult Wargaming store not some gaybar were we discuss rainbows and ponies", after which I told him "I have made this store well over 1,000 dollars in profits and have attended many a game here, who the hell do you think you are to ridicule my army painting choice? My Imperial Guard army was not even fething visibly MLP related!". He then said: "That makes it no less childish of you to constantly shove that little girls show down our throats". Another guy in the store then piped up and said "Lol what are you going to make Obama-Biden Marines next fruit bowl?"
After he said that I stormed out, and told them they would be lucky if they ever saw me there again. Was I justified in what I said, or was I just being aggressive and overreacting?
I'd call troll by the Store guys but after your very coherent post and a good explanation I have two words for the store to**ers:
Not a lot you can do in the face of that nonsense, mate, try and find another store/report the manager/explain one last time why they are as they are.
Im a bit agog at their attitide :(
Maybe we're getting old
Luckily this was resolved considering were I live it's hard to come by Hobby stores that carry and play Warhammer 40k, but I have had issues in the past because of my armies inspiration. Luckily being the civil and calm guy I am I have never gotten in trouble for it.
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Perfect Organism wrote:How did that guy recogise it as a My Little Pony theme? My exposure to MLP consisted of watching the first episode of FiM to check that it was as bad as I suspected, then ignoring it. I had no idea from lookig at the pictures that the scheme was anything to do with the show. It's not like it's all pastels and pinks or anything.
The guys at the store guessed it from the fact I have a Army with Void Space Camo that uses Luna's Cuitemark as a Marking.
If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.
Now to put this in context I run a Imperial Guard Army called Luna's Legion. This is a heavy armor army that makes heavy use of Tanks and Artillery and my only Titan ( a Warlord ). This is an apoc battle. This Army uses the cutie mark of the Princess from My Little Pony as a banner and marking.
The Army is painted in a void space Camo theme.
I enter the store to play a 2vs2 Apoc with my Friend who plays Ultramarines. I sit down and begin to unload my army after greeting everyone. My opponents are 2 people who I have never met before, they look to be in there 20's or older, one plays Ork "Green Tide" and another plays Tyranids. Now, everyone in the store knows about the cutie mark thing, but I had to tell them as none of them recognized it, and they didn't care and I even got some compliments on my painting. As I take my Baneblades out ( I didn't bring my Titan, to big and to cumbersome sometimes ) they have 2 flags on the back of each both with said cutie mark and a III under it. The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".
After I have everything unloaded and I begin to speak with my friend on strategy the Ork player leans over the table and says, "Are you ing slowed? Were is all of your Guardsmen and Infantry, I explain to him what little Infantry I have is on Chimeras and Valkyries as I do not like playing with mass Infantry and prefer mass armored combat. But hes having none of it and proclaims that his Orks will crush my "Stupid list" into nothing. Battle opens up and he loses his entire first charging wave to my 4 Baneblades and several Leman Russ's. He then goes into a rage accusing me of being a player and how I won't be able to hold off another attack. Second wave is chopped to peices by Artillery fire and my Manticores turn his Warboss into a green smear.
Him AND his friend the Tyranid player then go into a rant on how I am a Horse er for having a Army which only illusion to My Little Pony is it's flag, and my friend for being a "Ultrafaggot". They then pack up and leave, with the Ork player throwing his Warboss in the trash on the way out.
Me and friend re-organize our armies as we have another match later that day and go grab a Starbucks and something to eat from Cheesecake factory!
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
Whether MLP is stupid or not is an opinion.
However giving someone abuse because a symbol represents something you don't like isn't above board...
Now if that symbol was actively offensive that'd be a different matter.
For someone who's had some pretty bad experiences with bullying and the like, Warhammer is the one place where we're all just friends sharing a hobby. If that teasing got brought into 40k, I think I'd do something similar. I'd say you're pretty justified.
DarkCorsair wrote:For someone who's had some pretty bad experiences with bullying and the like, Warhammer is the one place where we're all just friends sharing a hobby. If that teasing got brought into 40k, I think I'd do something similar. I'd say you're pretty justified.
It's this behavior among 40k players that's beginning to drive me toward WarmaHordes where at least I've got Pg. 5.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.
Now to put this in context I run a Imperial Guard Army called Luna's Legion. This is a heavy armor army that makes heavy use of Tanks and Artillery and my only Titan ( a Warlord ). This is an apoc battle. This Army uses the cutie mark of the Princess from My Little Pony as a banner and marking.
The Army is painted in a void space Camo theme.
I enter the store to play a 2vs2 Apoc with my Friend who plays Ultramarines. I sit down and begin to unload my army after greeting everyone. My opponents are 2 people who I have never met before, they look to be in there 20's or older, one plays Ork "Green Tide" and another plays Tyranids. Now, everyone in the store knows about the cutie mark thing, but I had to tell them as none of them recognized it, and they didn't care and I even got some compliments on my painting. As I take my Baneblades out ( I didn't bring my Titan, to big and to cumbersome sometimes ) they have 2 flags on the back of each both with said cutie mark and a III under it. The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".
After I have everything unloaded and I begin to speak with my friend on strategy the Ork player leans over the table and says, "Are you ing slowed? Were is all of your Guardsmen and Infantry, I explain to him what little Infantry I have is on Chimeras and Valkyries as I do not like playing with mass Infantry and prefer mass armored combat. But hes having none of it and proclaims that his Orks will crush my "Stupid list" into nothing. Battle opens up and he loses his entire first charging wave to my 4 Baneblades and several Leman Russ's. He then goes into a rage accusing me of being a player and how I won't be able to hold off another attack. Second wave is chopped to peices by Artillery fire and my Manticores turn his Warboss into a green smear.
Him AND his friend the Tyranid player then go into a rant on how I am a Horse er for having a Army which only illusion to My Little Pony is it's flag, and my friend for being a "Ultrafaggot". They then pack up and leave, with the Ork player throwing his Warboss in the trash on the way out.
Me and friend re-organize our armies as we have another match later that day and go grab a Starbucks and something to eat from Cheesecake factory!
By that same vein, some people don't take things seriously enough.
I can honestly say that I would have no interest in playing someone who talks about how their army is "themed" around MLP. I think that this is a bit blown out of proportion because quite clearly the OP knows that there is a stigma attached to him after he has shown up with an army already themed for MLP--and it didn't work so hot then.
So why do another one? You're not going to win them over to your way of thinking. You can use the colors with no problem, but you're clearly doing something which is giving away your "non-visibly MLP themed armies" to your gaming group--and I have a feeling it very well might be talking about the show to them.
That's not a bad thing, mind you. But you have to realize that some people just are not interested--and if you continue to pursue that, it's going to irritate them.
I don't know how old you are, nor how old the staff at your store are, etc but I'm going to guess under 20 or so and consisting of mostly males. Depending on how friendly you are with the staff it changes the dynamic a bit more, where they are willing to be a bit more "buddy buddy" and that will inevitably lead to some ribbing.
In situations like that--it will end, almost without fail, in them mocking you with slurs intended to question your masculinity. In the end you have to decide whether or not they're people you want to spend time with, or if you might actively be doing something which they think is worth mocking. I can't really see this being a case of victimization with no real instance which could lead to it.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
Nice display of tolerance to other people's interests there. And that planned chapter doesn't even have any obvious references to the show. It'd take someone who watches them or is familiar with the subject to catch the reference in it, or by the sounds of it, the OP's Guard regiment.
Anyway, yeah, you were totally justified. Though I am slightly tempted to tell you to make Pinkie Pie themed Orks...
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.
Cool story bro.
So some people taunted you about your MLP stuff?
Thats exactly what I'm saying. You're doing something contentious and a lot of people think is stupid. You've got to expect people to tell you so.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.
Cool story bro.
So some people taunted you about your MLP stuff?
Thats exactly what I'm saying. You're doing something contentious and a lot of people think is stupid. You've got to expect people to tell you so.
So you're saying that whenever someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it's ok for them to ridicule it? Or is it just in this one instance? There's no reason why he should expect people to give him grief over what colour he paints his models. Because they're his. See where I'm going with that?
I honestly think we're not getting the whole story here. Not saying you're lying or anything, Alexzander but some people simply don't relate things entirely without thinking that it might be important to make an informed statement on the situation. And some people will purposely leave it out so that they can feel justified in their actions. I do not think you're in the latter part, but it has happened before.
I can't envision a simple color scheme making someone go "WTF WHY ARE YOU MAKING A MLP ARMY!". There's something being left out, whether purposely or not, which makes this whole mess seem less silly.
The black marks on the helm, by the way, are present no matter what color you make the armor. It's simply how the beakie helmet looks in Space Marine.
Kanluwen wrote:I honestly think we're not getting the whole story here. Not saying you're lying or anything, Alexzander but some people simply don't relate things entirely without thinking that it might be important to make an informed statement on the situation. And some people will purposely leave it out so that they can feel justified in their actions. I do not think you're in the latter part, but it has happened before.
I can't envision a simple color scheme making someone go "WTF WHY ARE YOU MAKING A MLP ARMY!". There's something being left out, whether purposely or not, which makes this whole mess seem less silly.
The black marks on the helm, by the way, are present no matter what color you make the armor. It's simply how the beakie helmet looks in Space Marine.
You'd be better served by not beating around the bush and just call the OP a liar hahaha Call a spade a spade and get on with it.
Honestly I don't think the OP was out of line with the Space Marine, but I can see why the GW staff would be annoyed if he thought it was just gonna be another lame MLP army or an army with MLP references. Though there's nothing on the Marine that even remotely seems "out of the ordinary". Yeah the white and gold is more regal, that's it though.
He said he called the chapter Celestial Marines as they are based on princess celestia. The people there 1 already know he likes MLP and 2 have a small understanding of MLP since they recognized his first armies mark. Not that difficult a connection to make.
Vladsimpaler wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:I honestly think we're not getting the whole story here. Not saying you're lying or anything, Alexzander but some people simply don't relate things entirely without thinking that it might be important to make an informed statement on the situation. And some people will purposely leave it out so that they can feel justified in their actions. I do not think you're in the latter part, but it has happened before.
I can't envision a simple color scheme making someone go "WTF WHY ARE YOU MAKING A MLP ARMY!". There's something being left out, whether purposely or not, which makes this whole mess seem less silly.
The black marks on the helm, by the way, are present no matter what color you make the armor. It's simply how the beakie helmet looks in Space Marine.
You'd be better served by not beating around the bush and just call the OP a liar hahaha
Call a spade a spade and get on with it.
Honestly I don't think the OP was out of line with the Space Marine, but I can see why the GW staff would be annoyed if he thought it was just gonna be another lame MLP army or an army with MLP references. Though there's nothing on the Marine that even remotely seems "out of the ordinary". Yeah the white and gold is more regal, that's it though.
You make it sound like theres a plethora of MLP themed armies out there.
Now what the OP should do is an Ultramarines army idk when then last time I saw anUltramarines paint scheme, thats like finding a buffalo nickel. /sarcasm
Vladsimpaler wrote:
You'd be better served by not beating around the bush and just call the OP a liar hahaha
Call a spade a spade and get on with it.
Honestly I don't think the OP was out of line with the Space Marine, but I can see why the GW staff would be annoyed if he thought it was just gonna be another lame MLP army or an army with MLP references.
See, the problem is I don't know the poster well enough to make the decision of whether they're just rabblerousing or genuinely not sure why this happened.
I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt in most instances, and I genuinely do not think he's necessarily just doing this to annoy the staff/other gamers at his shop.
But without the context to frame everything in, it becomes kinda difficult.
I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt in most instances, and I genuinely do not think he's necessarily just doing this to annoy the staff/other gamers at his shop.
But without the context to frame everything in, it becomes kinda difficult.
I'm with Kan on this one, however, OP still to me....seems young and maybe innocent?
Im sure this thread will run legs until Monday and then die off, like most others.
Lets not hang a guy over some dakka post. Unless its Uncle Frazz
Just take a deep breath, love, tolerate, and then report that manager to customer relations or services or whatever you're supposed to report it to. And make enough of a fuss that he's removed. You are totally justified. It's your army, you'll do what you want with it. This seems like a clasic case of "Nerd Hiarchy" to me. These guys are calling your interests "gay" and "girly" and proceed to act Holier-than-thou and bash you for ruining "their" adult game.
Vladsimpaler wrote: You'd be better served by not beating around the bush and just call the OP a liar hahaha Call a spade a spade and get on with it.
Honestly I don't think the OP was out of line with the Space Marine, but I can see why the GW staff would be annoyed if he thought it was just gonna be another lame MLP army or an army with MLP references.
See, the problem is I don't know the poster well enough to make the decision of whether they're just rabblerousing or genuinely not sure why this happened.
I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt in most instances, and I genuinely do not think he's necessarily just doing this to annoy the staff/other gamers at his shop.
But without the context to frame everything in, it becomes kinda difficult.
I don't know the dude either but I'm not coming in here accusing him of not telling the full story, know what I'm sayin? Though from using the new Dakka "stalking" feature, the OP obviously is into a lot of MLP stuff so the marine broke the camel's back apparently haha
Personally I would say that the OP wasn't out of line, but given previous actions the reaction from said GW dude wasn't surprising. It just shouldn't happen in this sort of setting, it's bad business behavior and even you'd agree with that. Most GW shops are full of awkward kids, the staff member should be used to it (or get used to it lol).
:edit: I don't know anything about MLP except from crap I've read about in threads that get spammed by these weirdo brony people, is Celestial some kind of character in the show?
I'm not trying to "accuse" anyone of anything. I'm simply saying:
We're probably not getting the whole story, whether by design or simple innocently not thinking it relevant to the story.
As it stands:
Yeah. With the information we have, it is a bit silly on the staff's part.
Durza wrote:So you're saying that whenever someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it's ok for them to ridicule it? Or is it just in this one instance? There's no reason why he should expect people to give him grief over what colour he paints his models. Because they're his. See where I'm going with that?
Getting yourself in a huff because someone gave you crap over a MLP themed 40K army is ridiculous. You should expect people to give you crap when you do that. It comes with the territory.
When you say you have a MLP army, you need to expect that a lot of people are going to respond with "Well, thats pretty stupid"
And if you're expecting that response, then you shouldn't get all bent out of shape about it. Just put on your 'haters gonna hate' smile and strut away.
Alexzandvar wrote: "I have made this store well over 1,000 dollars in profits...Was I justified in what I said, or was I just being aggressive and overreacting?"
Yea, that is not a lot of money really. 1k is maybe about a days worth of sales. so if you purchase that much every year and stop, the miss out on 1/350th of their daily sales. (I used 350 instead of 365 because there are a few days they are closed.)
I think you were being "aggressive and overreacting"
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback.
"something as stupid as MLP" worth the caveat that most adult males will not enjoy the show and will have no interest in it, thus to them it is "Stupid"
Kanluwen wrote:By that same vein, some people don't take things seriously enough.
I can honestly say that I would have no interest in playing someone who talks about how their army is "themed" around MLP. I think that this is a bit blown out of proportion because quite clearly the OP knows that there is a stigma attached to him after he has shown up with an army already themed for MLP--and it didn't work so hot then.
So why do another one? You're not going to win them over to your way of thinking. You can use the colors with no problem, but you're clearly doing something which is giving away your "non-visibly MLP themed armies" to your gaming group--and I have a feeling it very well might be talking about the show to them.
I agree with Kanluwen. I also "would have no interest in playing someone who talks about how their army is "themed" around MLP."
Durza wrote:So you're saying that whenever someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it's ok for them to ridicule it?
In the U.S.A. we have a right to freedom of speech. So yes if someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it is actually okay for them to ridicule it, and say whatever they want about it...
In the U.S.A. we have a right to freedom of speech
I'm sorry, I hate to interject, but anytime I see this taken into this context I want to personally hit you with a lawbook.
You have the right to say anything, so long as it isn't Hate Speech or the various laws that undertake it.
You know, that little rule that says, you just can't go outside, yell. HEY YOU You and your children are who don't deserve to live. Freedom of speech does not cover this. .
Not to mention laws against defamation (Libel) Obscenity, Incitement, Fighting words along with some other various things.
So no, by the Laws in the United States of America, you do not have the freedom of speech to ridicule someone else.
In the U.S.A. we have a right to freedom of speech
I'm sorry, I hate to interject, but anytime I see this taken into this context I want to personally hit you with a lawbook.
You have the right to say anything, so long as it isn't Hate Speech or the various laws that undertake it.
You know, that little rule that says, you just can't go outside, yell. HEY YOU You and your children are who don't deserve to live, and still get away with it.
Not to mention laws against defamation (Libel) Obscenity, Incitement, Fighting words.
So no, by the Laws in the United States of America, you do not have the freedom of speech to ridicule someone else.
Woah, slow there turbo. Threatening physical violence? That's some major e-thugging coming from a dude with a pastel-colored pony as his avatar.
Woah, slow there turbo. Threatening physical violence? That's some major e-thugging coming from a dude with a pastel-colored pony as his avatar.
Fear mah E-thuggin! Though it's mostly just a pet peeve when someone mistakes the laws that are in effect, and hopefully you would read the book after more or less after it hits you.
Hate speech, and trashing a paint job are two totally separate things...
This was not a case of someone looking to "ridicule someone else."
I know it is, but you had to bring in Freedom of Speech used in a mistaken way. *Shrug* sorry, I've just gotten so used to people using that excuse for things that it would never cover.
Hunterindarkness wrote:Once he used the terms "cigarette and homo" in a derogatory manner it could be indeed called hate speech.
Hehe the censor has some odd ways to change words
Errr, not really.
"Hate speech" is not necessarily simply using words which could be considered "hurtful".
If the person had knowledge of the other which would lead them to use those words in a derogatory manner, it would become hate speech. Simply using the words does not necessarily fulfill the requirements for it to be considered hate speech.
There's a noticeable difference, but it comes down to that glorious concept of semantics.
Context is what matters as the comments were about the paint and Mini's and not about the guy.
As for the "fruit bowl" comment, fruit bowl does not make any sense as "Hate Speech" had he said "fruit cake" then you may have a case.
It apparently was big enough for the guy to get fired from his current position. Though just changing up insults doesn't mean you can get away with said insult in the context.
Not to mention I picked the one specifically because if he was just discussing the models, he wouldn't need to bring up "Is this a model store, or a gaybar to discuss X and X" Which raises up the insults to not just the models, but the player using them.
Either way context is pretty much important, but at the same time it seemed to be more or less he was raising his context from the models to, "Because you own these models, you are X" Which in the context is raising it up to personal attacks.
This is fun, I havn't had a good law discussion in a while on here.
This story reminds me... I knew someone with an emperor's children army who painted them in their "codex" scheme (all pink and black) and then glued plastic penises to his defilers' autocannon barrels. As I remember, the defilers were also wearing pantyhose.... No-one made fun of it. Or really even said anything about it. But then this was in New Orleans, so that type of thing isn't really that remarkable.
Anyway, whether it's hate speech or not, it's not conduct befitting an employ of a retail store-- that guy deserved to get fired. The other guy? Not much you can do about him other than grind him beneath your Imperial boots... or hooves as the case may be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, in reference to the OP's question: No I don't think it was justified. You didn't initiate the aggression; they did. From your account, you just came to have a good time and ended up getting insulted for your personal tastes.
deathholydeath wrote:Anyway, whether it's hate speech or not, it's not conduct befitting an employ of a retail store-- that guy deserved to get fired. The other guy? Not much you can do about him other than grind him beneath your Imperial boots... or hooves as the case may be.
Exactly, this isn't even about the severity of the incident, the staff wasn't been professional at all, thats why he/she should be fired.
If the company dont, customers can speculate thats behavior a company condones ( thats why the policies are so tight )
Sigh Im frustrated. OP get accused of not been "accurate" only for the sake because onethatcannotbenamed thinks GW staffs cannot possibly be at fault like OP explained.
How the ****......... ok Mod w/e I guess im just psychotic for seeing the ridiculousness in that..
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Well, we've got to expect some blowback from people who don't share our interests. Even my mom thinks I'm crazy for liking something as bloodthirsty as 40k. I haven't even started modeling yet; I'd imagine she'd say something as crazy as "...why are you wasting money on crap like this...", not that I really care. In any case, you were well within the right. Criticism is fine. Insulting another guys army with the degree you mentioned is definitely not. I'm pretty sure that other people have gone to court for something like this. You should file an official complaint. What you do with your armies is your business...
I would raise some eyebrows at the design of my opponent's army once I get down to modeling, but I'm not stupid (or for that matter, rude) enough as to actually insult how it looks. It's his army, not mine, so I have no right to insult it.
I suggest talking to the manager. If they were the ones giving you a problem. Report to the owner. If its an official GW store call customer service and file a complaint.
They'll give you free things and may get the guy fired.
Failing that I suggest some kind of property damage. A small fire, brick/window introduction, graffiti, urination.
MLP is all about love and understanding but I'm not.
I'm a dragon, cook the gak out of them for being such dicks and Republicans - I'm assuming from the diatribe.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It is hate speech, the gay bar comment alone makes it so. As does the 'fruit' comment.
Fruit being a common term for homosexuality among the closeted child/sheep shagging community that self hate so much they take it out on others.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One last thing, the comment hurt me more because I was actually WATCHING MLP:FIM when I read this.
It is funny how strong fascist mindsets some 40k players do have out there. It is even more funny that many of these are marine fanboys, eg. guys who adore a male-only army whose soldiers are created by modifying their DNA with another man's DNA.
Perhaps they are denying something to themselves.
Anyways, it is good to hear the store manager called you If you meet these guys again, give them hell.
ergotoxin wrote:It is funny how strong fascist mindsets some 40k players do have out there. It is even more funny that many of these are marine fanboys, eg. guys who adore a male-only army whose soldiers are created by modifying their DNA with another man's DNA.
Now that's just disturbing...
On another note, I'm quite ashamed of fellow-Astartes players if that's how they think.
Durza wrote:So you're saying that whenever someone sees something they don't like in an army's paint scheme it's ok for them to ridicule it? Or is it just in this one instance? There's no reason why he should expect people to give him grief over what colour he paints his models. Because they're his. See where I'm going with that?
Getting yourself in a huff because someone gave you crap over a MLP themed 40K army is ridiculous. You should expect people to give you crap when you do that. It comes with the territory.
When you say you have a MLP army, you need to expect that a lot of people are going to respond with "Well, thats pretty stupid"
And if you're expecting that response, then you shouldn't get all bent out of shape about it. Just put on your 'haters gonna hate' smile and strut away.
No. I really shouldn't have to expect people giving me gak over what I like to do in my spare time, or what colour I use to paint things.
Durza wrote:No. I really shouldn't have to expect people giving me gak over what I like to do in my spare time, or what colour I use to paint things.
If you are a guy, and you like to wear pink Tutu's and dance around in your spare time, then that may be fine for you, but you should expect people to poke fun at you for doing so...
There are certain things one can reasonably expect.
If some guy painted marines to look like care bears, they would catch flack over it. The same goes with marines that look like unicorns, princesses and have rainbows on them.
If you showed up with an MLP-themed army, I would say your army is dumb and stupid, and that I'm here to play Warhammer 40k, not My Little Pony: Friendship is War.
That's my opinion, and some people here seem to think that an opinion is the most sacred thing on this planet. Truth is, having an opinion doesn't magically make you right. You can think that Gordon Brown don't exist, and it can be the basis on what you build your life on. But, Gordon Brown do exist. If you can prove it however, you would be in the right.
I think MLP is stupid. MLP is a television show designed for young girls. In our social norms, doing the same things as young girls is considered childish and silly. MLP could then rightly be considered stupid. Of course, you won't care, but whatever. Just don't think all people will accept your MLP interest.
I do think you should report that employee though, that was very rude behaviour, and he should be punished.
Marzillius wrote:. In our social norms, doing the same things as young girls is considered childish and silly. MLP could then rightly be considered stupid. Of course, you won't care, but whatever. Just don't think all people will accept your MLP interest.
In our social norms, playing with little toy soldiers is something pre-pubescent boys do.
That being said....
Whether or not the manager thought that, he shouldn't have expressed it in such an inflammatory manner. Saying that he doesn't like your paint scheme is one thing, but the gay bar comments are just plain wrong.
The paint scheme that you posted is fine. The fleur de lie is an incredibly common symbol, and being on a white background makes a nice contrast. I don't particularly care that it is from my little pony because the model looks good.
The my little pony thing is a little against generally accepted social standards, and you should be prepared to field comments from the jerks of the world. To pretend that they don't exist or won't bother you is naive. I personally enjoy wearing a kilt, so I am on the receiving end of a slew of comments. I know it is atypical, I know I will be getting gak-heads saying stuff about it, so I am ready to deal with it when I leave the house.
Don't let the idiots of the world ruin whatever it is that you enjoy, be it sparkly pink ponies or legally not wearing pants.
The guy was a total for acting like that, espeically as he was a staff member of the store. I don't care how silly/girly/out there a customer's army was, when I worked at the local store before it closed up, everything was cool! (even the 'Skittle Marines, or 'Happymeal Tyranids')
The only time I'd ever call out someone on their army and it's colour scheme/theme would be if they were like that complete 'ing ist hole who showed up at the Toronto GT one year with a 'chaos army' all wearing pointy-hooded white robes with the 3 K's painted on them!
Then he had the gall to tell his rather shocked opponent who was non-white that, "hey look, my army's totally themed against you dude!"
Celtic Strike wrote:Failing that I suggest some kind of property damage. A small fire, brick/window introduction, graffiti, urination.
Are you serious? "Someone made fun of me so I'm going to break things!"
Yeah, completely reasonable response.
Sarcasm seems to be hard to detect. I need to put some kind of quotation mark.
Also, there's a difference between making fun and hate speech and being a douche-nozzle.
I like how a couple of people on here are so willing to make fun of someone for painting their army funny saying that its against the social norm.
I think we're all forgetting that playing 40K ITSELF is against the social norm. Theres been many times that drunk people have warned into the store yelling at us and calling us [see forum posting rules] but that stop when there was an 'incident' with one of them.
I'm sure you'd like to be able to say that you play 40K and not be met with perplexing looks or down right disgust or mocking. The fact that we, as ENORMOUS, ENORMOUS nerds (Figuratively and sometimes literally) have the gall to call what someone else does as nerdy or against the social norms is unbelievable. We're a community based on playing and painting toy soldiers, something most people grew out of when they were 12. We are outcasts from normal society but still feel its okay to marginalize and make fun of others for doing something slightly different than what we're used to?
Aren't we supposed to be a tolerant people, considering that we hope people will tolerate and understand our hobby. I have most of my Tau army painted up like Cobra soldiers from GI joe. That make me a [see forum posting rules]? It's a hobby, its to express how we feel around other people WHO PLAY THE SAME GODDAMN GAME!
We have to work together to grow the hobby and be inclusive so we can grow the brand and get more people into the game. We do not want to be known as the sweaty donkey-caves who hate other people because then who will come and play with us. Would I have painted my army in such a way, no I wouldn't but I respect someone trying to be expressive and openminded enough to do something like that. As long as the painting was good then we have no reason to hate.
Remember, we're all in this together and being bastards isn't going to help our reputation.
I never understood the whole MLP thing, but I understand fully why you'd never come back to a store after that kind of treatment. If someone pulls that kinda stuff on me after I finish up my Hylian Knights Marines, I'd probably do the same thing.
Now, I make fun of one of my friends for being a brony all the time, but never with so much bile, or homophobia, and generally in humour.
I honestly don't understand why people would react in such a way. It's like going back to the school days when other kids would make fun of the young wargamers for being nerds. It's idiotic.
Honestly, I'd have no problem playing against an MLP army. Although I'd have to crush it extra hard, heresy and all. Not my call, it's the Inquisition's.
purplefood wrote:That's the Fleur de Lis... If he has a problem with it he can take it up with Joan of Arc... At any rate they were being idiots so you're well within your rights to be annoyed and angry at them.
And Joan would promptly slap into last millenium
The Fleur de Lis is also a main part of the Scout Association logo.
To OP. What a tool. Report him, he's the kind of idiot who makes the rest of us look bad.
The only potential references in there are either
a) the colour scheme, to which I will just say that there are many historical and fantastical characters who have had white and gold armour (Yes, Jaime Lannister, I am looking at you)
Durza wrote:No. I really shouldn't have to expect people giving me gak over what I like to do in my spare time, or what colour I use to paint things.
Yes, you really should. Not everyone is going to like everything you do. Sometimes a lot of people will think what you do is stupid.
And thats ok. They are allowed to have their opinions, just as you are allowed to do whatever you want.
And if people think you're doing something stupid, it's fine for them to tell you that. Sometimes it will catch you by surprise, but using a MLP army should not be one of those times.
There is a big difference between thinking something is stupid ( as personal opinion )
vs
Telling someone what they like is stupid ( this crosses the line of respecting others )
LunaHound wrote:
There is a big difference between thinking something is stupid ( as personal opinion )
vs
Telling someone what they like is stupid ( this crosses the line of respecting others )
This. And nevermind the actual, legitimate insults hurled over it. :/
So long as your army isn't visibly incredibly offensive I personally would not really care what your army is themed. Never seen MLP, have no interest in doing so, would not recognise an army themed on MLP unless you actually had ponies as marines (as at least one person on Dakka has) and at most would give a "huh" of indifference if I set up my army against a [insert whatever would define a MLP army here].
Not really sure how these people who "hate" MLP (and apparently all those who associate in any way with it outside of whatever target audience they think it is supposed to have) would know or care what a "MLP" army actually looks like unless they... I don't know... watch the show...
SilverMK2 wrote:
Not really sure how these people who "hate" MLP (and apparently all those who associate in any way with it outside of whatever target audience they think it is supposed to have) would know or care what a "MLP" army actually looks like unless they... I don't know... watch the show...
"Hey, I like your army. Those are some really cool colors!"
"Thanks, I based it off My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!"
That's an example as to how it could start out.
People tend to talk about things they like or that interest them. Sometimes we just don't think of it as something which could annoy someone else or even get them in a tizzy because of(in this case) silly internet memes.
SilverMK2 wrote:Not really sure how these people who "hate" MLP (and apparently all those who associate in any way with it outside of whatever target audience they think it is supposed to have) would know or care what a "MLP" army actually looks like unless they... I don't know... watch the show...
Or they have kids, and their kids watch it, and have the toys.
So far the OP has related several people in their early to mid 20's who have all recognised his army as "MLP" inspired in some way (rather than asking about it) and have subsequently gone off on one because of it.
And I'd hope people in their 20'd don't have low-teenage children
SilverMK2 wrote:So far the OP has related several people in their early to mid 20's who have all recognised his army as "MLP" inspired in some way (rather than asking about it) and have subsequently gone off on one because of it.
And I'd hope people in their 20'd don't have low-teenage children
The OP also has, in another thread, elaborated upon the fact that he has another army which is MLP themed.
It was a staffer? Milk this cow baby. Talk to the regional manager about how the staffer acted, what he said(mention how the manager was nice and loved you) and see if you cant get compensated.
SilverMK2 wrote:So far the OP has related several people in their early to mid 20's who have all recognised his army as "MLP" inspired in some way (rather than asking about it) and have subsequently gone off on one because of it.
And I'd hope people in their 20'd don't have low-teenage children
You don't have to watch something to recognize it. I haven't seen The Avengers, but if I saw Thor, Iron Man and Hawkeye together I would know it's The Avengers.
Marzillius wrote:You don't have to watch something to recognize it. I haven't seen The Avengers, but if I saw Thor, Iron Man and Hawkeye together I would know it's The Avengers.
Maybe it is just me, but comic book characters that have been around for (in some cases) decades, are far less "niche" than the newest incarnation of MLP (which I've only ever heard of on Dakka - and I'm 25 so not exactly past it); certainly in the culture of people in their 20's plus.
Is this some kind of joke? I'm totally against My Little Pony-based armies (like, actual ponies as Marines or whatever), but if I saw this army on the field I would have no idea it was based on My Little Pony at all. It's definitely subtle (and hence tasteful) reference, and I would be happy to play against it.
In fact, if someone immediately recognized that as a My Little Pony army, that would indicate a suspiciously high level of knowledge regarding My Little Pony...
0.o Shouldn't the staffer be up on charges for discrimination? .....If he has the stupidity to treat his clientel with such an attitude, hell even someone on the street, then he probably should at least lose his job for using language that was intended to offend you. Hell was he trying to take a dig against homosexauls and transgenders too? Eugh.... The guy's a major "feth" head and really aught to have a sence of homour. They're toy soldiers, shave your neckbeard Mr Staffer and grow up.
Does this kind of thing not entail charges/prison sentences in the US? It just seems ridiculous that no one called the guy out on it at the time, hell you said someone even joined in. ¬¬
To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
As to the OP, yeah that guy was out of line for saying those things. To not agree with what you were doing would have been fine but to go as far as to insult you over it.....well that was too far. As for the ork and nid players, their reactions were fine providing they were about ten
Thinking about it you should show them a few pics of my space mare-ines. I'm sure they’d love it XD
Marzillius wrote:You don't have to watch something to recognize it. I haven't seen The Avengers, but if I saw Thor, Iron Man and Hawkeye together I would know it's The Avengers.
Maybe it is just me, but comic book characters that have been around for (in some cases) decades, are far less "niche" than the newest incarnation of MLP (which I've only ever heard of on Dakka - and I'm 25 so not exactly past it); certainly in the culture of people in their 20's plus.
MLP is also a huge meme/phenomena/whatever. Many, many people on the internet recognize them, it's not exactly uncommon knowledge. Examples aside, you get the point.
Marzillius wrote:You don't have to watch something to recognize it. I haven't seen The Avengers, but if I saw Thor, Iron Man and Hawkeye together I would know it's The Avengers.
Maybe it is just me, but comic book characters that have been around for (in some cases) decades, are far less "niche" than the newest incarnation of MLP (which I've only ever heard of on Dakka - and I'm 25 so not exactly past it); certainly in the culture of people in their 20's plus.
MLP is also a huge meme/phenomena/whatever. Many, many people on the internet recognize them, it's not exactly uncommon knowledge. Examples aside, you get the point.
I dunno, to recognise something as obscure as that would require more than a little background knowledge. before I was a brony for the life of me I could not tell you what the symbol was on the flank of a neon pony or that they even had one. had they have had pics of ponies all over the tanks then sure but a cutie mark.....
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
Not an acceptable post.-Mannahnin
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
Not an acceptable post.-Mannahnin
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
You're right, I definitely wouldn't play against it. Not because it bothers me, but because I don't think it fits the design aesthetics that 40k is associated.
You guys seriously need to grow some thicker skin if what I'm saying counts as insults, srs.
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
I don't take 40k seriously, but at least the models and backstory are cool. MLP is lame and smacks of not having a childhood (amongst other things). Good for you, you like a show that caters to 12 year old girls! Not only that, but it's creepy. Strong pedo tendencies
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
You're right, I definitely wouldn't play against it. Not because it bothers me, but because I don't think it fits the design aesthetics that 40k is associated.
You guys seriously need to grow some thicker skin if what I'm saying counts as insults, srs.
You basically called the guy a pedophile. Last time I checked, that definitely counted. :/
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
I don't take 40k seriously, but at least the models and backstory are cool. MLP is lame and smacks of not having a childhood (amongst other things). Good for you, you like a show that caters to 12 year old girls! Not only that, but it's creepy. Strong pedo tendencies
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
You're right, I definitely wouldn't play against it. Not because it bothers me, but because I don't think it fits the design aesthetics that 40k is associated.
But did you see OP's paint scheme? how does that not fit?
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
I don't take 40k seriously, but at least the models and backstory are cool. MLP is lame and smacks of not having a childhood (amongst other things). Good for you, you like a show that caters to 12 year old girls! Not only that, but it's creepy. Strong pedo tendencies
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
You're right, I definitely wouldn't play against it. Not because it bothers me, but because I don't think it fits the design aesthetics that 40k is associated.
But did you see OP's paint scheme? how does that not fit?
I was talking about DPBellathrom's army with actual little ponies in powered armor.
The OP's paint scheme is actually pretty cool, I'd defo have no problems with it.
That being said, even though I think MLP is lame and should be left to the 12 year olds, what the employee did was wrong and he deserved to be fired. Bad customer service.
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
I don't take 40k seriously, but at least the models and backstory are cool. MLP is lame and smacks of not having a childhood (amongst other things). Good for you, you like a show that caters to 12 year old girls! Not only that, but it's creepy. Strong pedo tendencies
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
You're right, I definitely wouldn't play against it. Not because it bothers me, but because I don't think it fits the design aesthetics that 40k is associated.
But did you see OP's paint scheme? how does that not fit?
Yes, I saw it, and to be honest, I'd never paint my Marines that way. But what the hell am I going to say about it? Am I not going to play against a guy because his paint-job doesn't fit my 'manly-man' image of what a space marine should look like? No, that'd just be dumb. It doesn't bother me nearly that much. But even if it did, that wouldn't give me a right to say he's 'wrong' for painting them that way. His money, his time, his plastic, his paint, his decision. The fact that he likes it and gains enjoyment from it is reason enough to justify that decision.
Edit: Derp, totally screwed up. Misread the poster name, and thus, misinterperated the post. You're right, the white and gold scheme would look pretty kickin'. Certainly more in line with 40k than noise marines. Bright pink. Ew.
loner wrote:Before I start up a flamethread, but how is your army related to My Little Pony exactly? As I don't see any obvious signs of it or something...
Perhaps it's also because I'm not into MPL, but that aside...
The color scheme.
Celestia is the Light Sun
Luna is the Dark Moon
I would SO BUY this if anyone ever make it into a mini . And people that doesnt know mlp will appreciate the design's true beauty without bias.
You should probably spoiler the first image, Luna. Just to be a little more respectful. I have no issue with it, and i don't think many people will, but if people don't like the show so much that they throw a fit over the image (which i think some of the people here will), then it might be better to spoiler it, just to keep the atmosphere less heated.
In many western and European societies, the colors gold and white are associated with goodness and divinity. White and gold invoke images of Heaven and angels, and embody purity and incorruptibility — white light, when the beam is dispersed, becomes a rainbow of all colors, while gold never tarnishes, rusts or corrodes.
Thus in works of media, you're likely to see divine beings clad in white and gold. As white and gold can represent the sky as part of their association with Heaven, blue may also be featured. The deities may be associated with the colors beyond clothing, and thus have silver/white hair or have Hair of Gold, with pale or bronze skin. Even if the gods are not good, the colors will still reflect their divinity. The colors may also feature on their relics. Mortals who are connected to the gods, or wish to appear as divine figures, will also wear white and gold.
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
I don't take 40k seriously, but at least the models and backstory are cool. MLP is lame and smacks of not having a childhood (amongst other things). Good for you, you like a show that caters to 12 year old girls! Not only that, but it's creepy. Strong pedo tendencies
Just a quick question but have you ever seen a film called The Big Lebowski? If you have then I won't need to explain why it isn't suitable viewing for a 12 year old girl. If you haven't then know it involves a lot of swearing, nudity, drug references, violence, the ingestion of copious amounts of White Russians etc. With this in mind I will just say that in one episode of this show which "caters to 12 year old girls" there was a cameo of some of the characters from said film, including one whose most famous line included him saying that he would put a glock up your (the place gak comes from) and pull the trigger until it went click.
It might just be me but that seems to be catering to a bit more than just 12 year old girls.
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
I don't take 40k seriously, but at least the models and backstory are cool. MLP is lame and smacks of not having a childhood (amongst other things). Good for you, you like a show that caters to 12 year old girls! Not only that, but it's creepy. Strong pedo tendencies
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
You're right, I definitely wouldn't play against it. Not because it bothers me, but because I don't think it fits the design aesthetics that 40k is associated.
You guys seriously need to grow some thicker skin if what I'm saying counts as insults, srs.
so implying that I'm a pedo is not an insult in your eyes?
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
I don't take 40k seriously, but at least the models and backstory are cool. MLP is lame and smacks of not having a childhood (amongst other things). Good for you, you like a show that caters to 12 year old girls! Not only that, but it's creepy. Strong pedo tendencies
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
Are you freaking kidding? He asked and the guy answered.
No, it doesn't fit my idea of a 40K aesthetic, and yes, it gives off one hell of a creepy/pedo vibe.
DPBellathrom wrote:To any who wouldn’t play an army based around MLP.....why? Does it ruin your fantasies of what your man dollies are doing on the table? I think people really need to remember this is a game and stop taking things too seriously
I don't take 40k seriously, but at least the models and backstory are cool. MLP is lame and smacks of not having a childhood (amongst other things). Good for you, you like a show that caters to 12 year old girls! Not only that, but it's creepy. Strong pedo tendencies
Adding to the problem here, dude. His models, his paints. If it bothers you, don't play with him, but insults are unwarranted, and unnecessary.
Are you freaking kidding? He asked and the guy answered.
No, it doesn't fit my idea of a 40K aesthetic, and yes, it gives off one hell of a creepy/pedo vibe.
In your opinion clearly just like in their opinion the OP enjoys and thus is entirely entitled to paint their space mans anyway they wish and certainly ignore the gak that comes with it.
Just the same as most opinions it sounds good to yourself but others generally don't give a flying feth what you think, like you're sort of doing. This of course equally applies to my own post.
Calling other posters' interest, in a kids program which is specifically written to also appeal to adults, pedophilic is a violation of rule #1.
You can have differences of opinion without insulting people, and you are expected to, and have agreed to, in return for permission to post on this site.
In the case of the OP marine scheme you wouldn't really know unless it was pointed out. I guess the lesson in the OP is no one really cares to hear about your army background in a way, don't mention it and if they figure it out cool for you I suppose.
Durza wrote:No. I really shouldn't have to expect people giving me gak over what I like to do in my spare time, or what colour I use to paint things.
Yes, you really should. Not everyone is going to like everything you do. Sometimes a lot of people will think what you do is stupid.
And thats ok. They are allowed to have their opinions, just as you are allowed to do whatever you want.
And if people think you're doing something stupid, it's fine for them to tell you that. Sometimes it will catch you by surprise, but using a MLP army should not be one of those times.
Well, first, no I'm not allowed to do what I want. I'm not allowed to punch the leaders of my country in the faces for being idiots for a start. And while people are entitled to their own opinions, there's no reason why I should have to listen to them tell me that say, an army of marines with with armour and purple trim called Praecones Raritas is far less manly than an army of another colour with a different name. It's not like the OP tried to use ponies as 'mareines', it's just a paint job. No reason to go apoplectic about it.
In the same way that an army painted up to look like the SS is "just paints", or an army of white skinned IG with all black penal legion/conscript troops is "just paint", or an army painted up as the Israeli army is "just paint". Sure, all those examples are reasonably justifiable as to why some people may have issues with them, but there is a point for pretty much everyone where they will say "I'm not playing that", or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army.
Many, many people found the "NSFW" nids highly entertaining, but can you see why people would have an issue with some of the stuff that guy was putting out?
Granted, in the case of MLP I don't have that much of a problem. genuinely would not get any reference to it (other than playing against space ponies or something), but if someone had an army of chibi marines, or cute marines (whatever the ones with the pink armour and the hearts and stuff are called), I can certainly see that people may be annoyed that the background is being completely ignored (or violated, if you will ).
Kind of like if a FOW player had a hot pink SS army where the smoke markers were clouds of heart balloons, and the guns had all been replaced with penises. Such an army a) doesn't make sense in the setting, b) doesn't make sense full stop, and c) contains elements that some people might find offensive.
In the same way that an army painted up to look like the SS is "just paints", or an army of white skinned IG with all black penal legion/conscript troops is "just paint", or an army painted up as the Israeli army is "just paint". Sure, all those examples are reasonably justifiable as to why some people may have issues with them, but there is a point for pretty much everyone where they will say "I'm not playing that", or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army.
Did you just compare my little pony paints to Nazi's, the KKK, and..the Israeli army? How is the last one majorly offensive?
I can certainly see that people may be annoyed that the background is being completely ignored (or violated, if you will ).
People get up in arms as soon as canon fluff is thrown up, Draigo anyone?
ZebioLizard2 wrote:Did you just compare my little pony paints to Nazi's, the KKK, and..the Israeli army?
Did you read the rest of my post? Everything eventually is just "paint on a model" - some people will find certain themes offensive while others will not. Some people will react incredibly violently if you turned up with a KKK army for example.
Though I believe my point, which you quoted, is that "there is a point for pretty much everyone where they will say 'I'm not playing that', or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army", regardless of what that point is, or what theme/etc triggers it. Again, in the post that you have quoted from: "people may be annoyed that the background is being completely ignored" for example...
But if you want to cherry pick which bits of my posts to read, go right ahead. Personally I thought I was one of the more balanced posters here, possibly because I don't give a monkies how the OP chooses to paint, model or play his army.
How is the last one majorly offensive?
Do you know anything about a little place we call "the Middle East", and some of the issues going on in that area and why some people might be upset about them?
I suppose there is a valid point to be seen here, in that, no matter how you paint your mini's, there's going to be SOMEONE who takes offense to it (I.E. Thousand Sons are the sux, lolz). But MLP isn't quite as... Charged, we'll say, as the SS, KKK, what have you. There's no reason to react in the way the OP said these people did.
Fafnir wrote:Which brings up a good point: GW is so good at violating its own fluff, why worry about what other players are doing?
Ultimately all human endeavour is pointless, people still seem to care though
Also, my Krieg are painted in SS colours (what can I say? Stylish AND imposing), and I've received nothing but praise for them.
From what I've seen your Krieg don't have the all important Nazi symbols emblazoned upon them. Added to which, DKoK are traditionally painted, in many examples, as using those kinds of colours.
But if you want to cherry pick which bits of my posts to read, go right ahead. Personally I thought I was one of the more balanced posters here, possibly because I don't give a monkies how the OP chooses to paint, model or play his army.
Do you know anything about a little place we call "the Middle East", and some of the issues going on in that area and why some people might be upset about them?
The rest of your post was well thought of and I felt I didn't need to respond to it as it was well enough and stated its purpose. My confusion stemmed from having the Israeli army included in with the Gestapo and the Klan. Should have used something akin to a communistic Stalin army or North Korean. Otherwise it made it look like you equated Israeli with them. (If you do, that's a different issue, but one not to be discussed here)
or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army", regardless of what that point is, or what theme/etc triggers it.
I'd feel that someone is rather narcissistic if they believe that an army was intentionally designed to anger them. With the exception of course with something that could insult someones faith, creed, or race. I really would like to see someone who truly would grow angry with MLP colored models. (Woe be the day someone confuses all gold and white to be MLP )
ZebioLizard2 wrote:The rest of your post was well thought of and I felt I didn't need to respond to it as it was well enough and stated its purpose. My confusion stemmed from having the Israeli army included in with the Gestapo and the Klan. Should have used something akin to a communistic Stalin army or North Korean. Otherwise it made it look like you equated Israeli with them. (If you do, that's a different issue, but one not to be discussed here)
Fair enough - just got out of bed so am still a bit cranky (well, OK, I got out of bed about 2 hours ago but I am not a morning person )
I'd feel that someone is rather narcissistic if they believe that an army was intentionally designed to anger them. With the exception of course with something that could insult someones faith, creed, or race. I really would like to see someone who truly would grow angry with MLP colored models. (Woe be the day someone confuses all gold and white to be MLP )
You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.
As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).
Aren't DKOK French? And seriously, when you get to a certain time period most armies from the same general region will have the same aesthetics. It's not like most people would be able to tell the difference between an American-inspired soldier in desert fatigues when compared to an Israeli-inspired.
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
In the same way that an army painted up to look like the SS is "just paints", or an army of white skinned IG with all black penal legion/conscript troops is "just paint", or an army painted up as the Israeli army is "just paint". Sure, all those examples are reasonably justifiable as to why some people may have issues with them, but there is a point for pretty much everyone where they will say "I'm not playing that", or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army.
Did you just compare my little pony paints to Nazi's, the KKK, and..the Israeli army? How is the last one majorly offensive?
Actually, the Israeli army would be the only good comparative example in his post since the other two triggered Goodwin's Law. The Israeli army is controversial to a (relatively small) minority of the human population on earth while the SS or KKK is controversial to a majority of humanity as well as outright offensive to a very large amount of people - not to mention said colour scheme(s) would be borderline illegal in some countries in their own right (am I right in that a SS-army with SS insignias would be very close to illegal in France?).
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I think it has to do with pride, by large. Some people take a lot of pride in their army, their tactics, and take the hobby seriously because it gives them greater satisfaction exercising the hobby - and this is perfectly fine. What we've got in the OP is where someone who took the hobby very seriously simply couldn't respect someone who didn't, because there's another side and that's the people who do not take the hobby seriously and simply use it to channel their ideas of fun, and sometimes that means outright mocking the idea of "hobby purity".
What people need is a healthy respect for each other and let each other have their own space without intruding. (And I think this is where (Kanluwen, was it?) suspected that the OP didn't give the entire story, since for whatever reason forcing someone to play a tongue-in-cheek army could be very provocative for some people, the same as puritan ideals are provocative to others.)
SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.
As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).
This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.
It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'
SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.
As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).
This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.
It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'
SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.
As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).
This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.
It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'
About Britain?
Now i'm interested...
Essentially, he's convinced Britain is waging an economic war with their many former colonies, territories, and what have you, (The United States, South Africa, Canada, Australia, ect.) in an effort at world domination. To be honest, it'd make for interesting stuff in a book, but once he get's going, the man WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT IT. :/ Kings Herod and Solomon tie into his whole Illuminati thing, and he just really, REALLY likes Carlos Santana.
Mahtamori wrote:Aren't DKOK French? And seriously, when you get to a certain time period most armies from the same general region will have the same aesthetics. It's not like most people would be able to tell the difference between an American-inspired soldier in desert fatigues when compared to an Israeli-inspired.
DKoK have mixed inspirations, mostly French and German WWI uniforms and tactics. There are a number of different colour schemes for them (for example, WWI French powder blue (which I think is an awesome colour scheme)), that also include some very "germanic" colours and designs.
(am I right in that a SS-army with SS insignias would be very close to illegal in France?).
I think it has to do with pride, by large. Some people take a lot of pride in their army, their tactics, and take the hobby seriously because it gives them greater satisfaction exercising the hobby - and this is perfectly fine. What we've got in the OP is where someone who took the hobby very seriously simply couldn't respect someone who didn't, because there's another side and that's the people who do not take the hobby seriously and simply use it to channel their ideas of fun, and sometimes that means outright mocking the idea of "hobby purity". What people need is a healthy respect for each other and let each other have their own space without intruding. (And I think this is where (Kanluwen, was it?) suspected that the OP didn't give the entire story, since for whatever reason forcing someone to play a tongue-in-cheek army could be very provocative for some people, the same as puritan ideals are provocative to others.)
SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.
As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).
This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.
It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'
About Britain?
Now i'm interested...
Essentially, he's convinced Britain is waging an economic war with their many former colonies, territories, and what have you, (The United States, South Africa, Canada, Australia, ect.) in an effort at world domination. To be honest, it'd make for interesting stuff in a book, but once he get's going, the man WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT IT. :/ Kings Herod and Solomon tie into his whole Illuminati thing, and he just really, REALLY likes Carlos Santana.
Why bother with world domination?
We already did that once got bored gave it up...
Now it's the Germans you wanna watch out for!
SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.
As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).
This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.
It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'
About Britain?
Now i'm interested...
Essentially, he's convinced Britain is waging an economic war with their many former colonies, territories, and what have you, (The United States, South Africa, Canada, Australia, ect.) in an effort at world domination. To be honest, it'd make for interesting stuff in a book, but once he get's going, the man WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT IT. :/ Kings Herod and Solomon tie into his whole Illuminati thing, and he just really, REALLY likes Carlos Santana.
Why bother with world domination?
We already did that once got bored gave it up...
Now it's the Germans you wanna watch out for!
Essentially, he's convinced Britain is waging an economic war with their many former colonies, territories, and what have you, (The United States, South Africa, Canada, Australia, ect.) in an effort at world domination. To be honest, it'd make for interesting stuff in a book, but once he get's going, the man WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT IT. :/ Kings Herod and Solomon tie into his whole Illuminati thing, and he just really, REALLY likes Carlos Santana.
Tell him that Santana got big by copying the British guitarist Peter Green. That oughta really get him going
1. They guessed that my Space Marines chapter was My Little Pony related based on the name, The Celestial Marines.
2. I do not include pony models, PICTURES, or any other sort in the color scheme or not, it is merely inspiration and a name here and there.
3. I always have fluff justifications for my names, Lunas Legion which is my heavy armor - Titan legio is named after Holy Terra's moon Luna.
The Celestial Marine are a chapter that's Fortress Monastery is orbiting closely the sun in the Sol System, it has strong ties with the Church thus the Fleur De Lis symbol.
4. They only ever knew about my first army because 1 guy guessed well about my inspiration so I told everyone, at the time noone cared or they actually liked my paint scheme.
When I first saw them, I was reminded of Star Wars clone troopers. (I hope you can forgive me.)
Either way, I guess it has been said before, but I'll say it again: It's your army. Not my, not his army, your army. If you take the time to collect, paint, modify and base your entire army then I would gladly play against it, based upon MLP or not.
Alexzandvar wrote:The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's".
Sorry but this part just made me spew tea all over my keyboard. Thought I'd share.
Alexzandvar wrote:Alrighty to clear some things up here.
1. They guessed that my Space Marines chapter was My Little Pony related based on the name, The Celestial Marines.
2. I do not include pony models, PICTURES, or any other sort in the color scheme or not, it is merely inspiration and a name here and there.
3. I always have fluff justifications for my names, Lunas Legion which is my heavy armor - Titan legio is named after Holy Terra's moon Luna.
The Celestial Marine are a chapter that's Fortress Monastery is orbiting closely the sun in the Sol System, it has strong ties with the Church thus the Fleur De Lis symbol.
4. They only ever knew about my first army because 1 guy guessed well about my inspiration so I told everyone, at the time noone cared or they actually liked my paint scheme.
To be honest, I'm curious to what your imperial army looks like. I wouldn't blame you for not posting a pic, but like I said, i'm curious to see what all the fuss is about.
As far as the paint scheme you posted, it looks fine. The store employees were unprofessional, abusive, and need to grow up. Honestly I would not spend a dime in that store any more, and I would mention this to friends who you played with and let them know you won't spend a dime in that store. Then, I would spend every moment in that store with my army, and use a video camera to create army battle reports. Wait for them to insult you and your paint scheme again in such a manner, and get the offenders banned and/or fired. But thats me being vindictive.
We find our inspiration from the world around us, and shouldn't be riducled for such sources.
The redshirts job these days is simple: sell as much goods as they can and make money for GW.
Alienating a Customer and putting him down in front of other people is REALLY bad for sales.
If he dosn't like something the customer has done than he should keep it to himself.
Were you jusified:
If it went down how you said it did then absolutely yes. Poor customer service is not acceptable to me as a cuastomer.
The GW shops caters to the public many of which are children and teens.
If a child of mine returned from a GW shop after over hearing something like that e.g. asking me what a gay bar was, you can be sure I would be ringing the Manager of said shop.
Pouncey wrote:I'm sorry, I must have missed something.
What, exactly, is wrong with that paint scheme?
Absolutely nothing.
And as far as I'm concerned, you could have painted them bright pink and have a rainbow on their shoulder pad. The GW staffer could still get fethed for all his opinion matters.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
...and ignorance and judgement rears its ugly head (reported). How is a white and gold scheme with a military symbol not appropriate for space marines?!
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
...and ignorance and judgement rears its ugly head (reported). How is a white and gold scheme with a military symbol not appropriate for space marines?!
What someone does in their own time is their own business. But if you're going to do it in a public arena, then you'd better expect public commentary. And not all public commentary will be nice. In fact, the further you deviate from the 'norm', the more that negative feedback will grow.
Hell, as a customer I'd hate to be in a store that was full of adult fans of MLP. I'd hate to see MLP incorporated into 40K armies. And if a store condoned that kind of MLP content, however tacitly, I would not patronise it, and I'm certainly not alone here. It's downright creepy. As a customer, I'd appreciate store managers quietly asking customers to leave their MLP influences at home, or take their patronage elsewhere. There's no need to be rude about it, or do it in public though.
TL;DR - Don't come crying to the internet when people call you out for doing stupid things.
How the hell did he get MLP? is he that much of a homophobe that just because of the world celestial he thinks is related to MLP.
OK but here is my opinion, if it was another employee that insulted you i would call/write a letter to either the manger or the regional manager and demand an apology and or termination of the employee, saying you will never shop there again until you do get one of the two. Being talking to like that over a paint job is beyond unacceptable there is nothing wrong with that paint scheme at all, and frankly if i was that store manager i would have terminated him on the spot, kicked the other kid out of my store, tell him never to come back that he was banned, AND give you 50 bucks store credit. being flamed over gak like that is just stupid.
Oh and also MLP is a great lol, respect for the Bronies, i <3 derpy hooves
I just always found it odd that bronies would act so queer and obessive to show their pride in their fandom. But then weep a metaphorical river for when someone makes fun of them. And often just become further bait for trolling. Why oh -why- does everything have to be mlp with them?
*Disclaimer, I mean the ye' old defination of queer*
Imo, grow some thicker skin bronies or else you will always just be prodded at to see you over react.
I don't know what's worse: that I've seen these same arguments in the defense of making insulting of 40k players, or that I've seen these same arguments in the defense of insulting gay people.
Well, the first one is more hypocritical and the second is just sad.
Shadowbrand wrote:Imo, grow some thicker skin bronies or else you will always just be prodded at to see you over react.
1000% this.
I have a friend that makes fun of peopls armies/paintjobs/list composition just to see them get upset.
He once, while looking at a "well painted army" (His words), made fun of the red and green Xmas theme Eldar army just because he knew it would get a rise out of the owner of said Xmas Eldar.
There is an old saying, that is a good phrase to keep in mind:
Those that mind do not matter, those that matter do not mind.
No matter what you do, people will make fun of you. Especially if you do something that is out of the norm (AKA Something people think is stupid.
E.G. being a guy and playing with barbie dolls, or watching MLP, etc.
Some advice for the youngins in general, water off a duck's back man.
Thicker skin, ignore it. Sure I may think you're paint scheme is godawful but you have every right to ignore it as I do to say it.
Not that I would off the bat, I will not make hasty remarks of scorn and I'm a pretty tolerant person, though if your ilk decide to invade more of my interests with your damn girls show I may be slightly perturbed.
Ignore them. They are being idiots and insults thrown at you like f*g show how pathetic some of these people are. Its like many of the Xbox Live community.
I love that quote btw Death Reaper. Ive not heard it put so succinctly before.
I think the complaint is that the abuse came from a GW redshirt. He is there to make patrons of the shop feel comfortable and to provide help to customers, yet he insulted an army, that looks like it has a really nice colour scheme IMHO, purely for the reason that the inspiration for the name came from the MLP world. This behaviour from a person in his position is unacceptable.
The GW employee had no right to make an insulting comment over anyones paintjob. At the end of the day you were using GW miniatures painted with GW paints, so you're army was fine as is. I have no experience with MLP and short of having pictures of pink horses all over the marines would have just thought it was a unique paint job. That said if it was pink horses I would have been shocked and likely found it out of place... but it's you're army, at the end of the day if it doesnt fit into "my" 40k thats my problem. (If I can overlook unpainted/armless unassembled marines then I'd be stupid to not overlook pink pony marines)
I feel like I have stumbled upon some weird, alternate version of the internet here. Did I not get the memo? What in seven hells is going on around here?
Is this some kind of thing? Grown men watch my little pony? And why am I suddenly seeing a lot of avatars that vaguely resemble stylized My Little Pony characters?!
Seriously, uh, I can't even comprehend what is going on here. Is there some kind of weird underground fan scene for a 30 year old cartoon?
And why would anyone theme Space Marines after them?
I feel like I did the first time that I discovered that "furries" existed.
Xenocidal Maniac wrote:I feel like I have stumbled upon some weird, alternate version of the internet here. Did I not get the memo? What in seven hells is going on around here?
Is this some kind of thing? Grown men watch my little pony? And why am I suddenly seeing a lot of avatars that vaguely resemble stylized My Little Pony characters?!
Seriously, uh, I can't even comprehend what is going on here. Is there some kind of weird underground fan scene for a 30 year old cartoon?
And why would anyone theme Space Marines after them?
I feel like I did the first time that I discovered that "furries" existed.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
...and ignorance and judgement rears its ugly head (reported). How is a white and gold scheme with a military symbol not appropriate for space marines?!
What someone does in their own time is their own business. But if you're going to do it in a public arena, then you'd better expect public commentary. And not all public commentary will be nice. In fact, the further you deviate from the 'norm', the more that negative feedback will grow.
Hell, as a customer I'd hate to be in a store that was full of adult fans of MLP. I'd hate to see MLP incorporated into 40K armies. And if a store condoned that kind of MLP content, however tacitly, I would not patronise it, and I'm certainly not alone here. It's downright creepy. As a customer, I'd appreciate store managers quietly asking customers to leave their MLP influences at home, or take their patronage elsewhere. There's no need to be rude about it, or do it in public though.
TL;DR - Don't come crying to the internet when people call you out for doing stupid things.
Are you serious?
1) Celestial Marines. A cool name. And people instantly think of Celestia, instead of the actual meaning of the word? Grow up. The paint scheme didn't even remotely resemble anything MLP.
2) Even if a person is playing an army that is obviously MLP inspired (which this was not) it is entirely their business. You don't have to play against their army, but it's their money and they can spend it however they want, and paint the models they've spent money on however they want. It takes a special sort of insecurity to be unnerved by someone who clearly likes MLP, and even moreso that they've painted their army a peculiar colour.
So not only was the GW staffer being insensitive and pig-headed, he was also dead wrong.
Xenocidal Maniac wrote:I feel like I have stumbled upon some weird, alternate version of the internet here. Did I not get the memo? What in seven hells is going on around here?
Is this some kind of thing? Grown men watch my little pony? And why am I suddenly seeing a lot of avatars that vaguely resemble stylized My Little Pony characters?!
Seriously, uh, I can't even comprehend what is going on here. Is there some kind of weird underground fan scene for a 30 year old cartoon?
And why would anyone theme Space Marines after them?
I feel like I did the first time that I discovered that "furries" existed.
Xenocidal Maniac wrote:I feel like I have stumbled upon some weird, alternate version of the internet here. Did I not get the memo? What in seven hells is going on around here?
Is this some kind of thing? Grown men watch my little pony? And why am I suddenly seeing a lot of avatars that vaguely resemble stylized My Little Pony characters?!
Seriously, uh, I can't even comprehend what is going on here. Is there some kind of weird underground fan scene for a 30 year old cartoon?
And why would anyone theme Space Marines after them?
I feel like I did the first time that I discovered that "furries" existed.
Bro, I'm confused.. Didn't you say the store-owner was present? If he was, wouldn't he correct his employer or fire him right of the bat? No matter, I can't see why your chapter would be "gay" to even label it as childish and/or "my little pony" style is moronic. I wouldn't give that store my money again and I would inform the store-owner of what transpired and the reason to why he WILL NOT see your money again.
That employee had no right to say those things. If you don't mind me saying, I am not a fan of mlp and I am sure some gamers feel the same and will criticise, everyone criticises. But for that to come from an employee, did the manager see hear and see this? That is a disgrace, its their job to sell products and encourage and inspire gamers to try new things or get new players in, not to insult someones work.
Still, you should still go back there and ignore the douchebag, if he is even there still.
edit: I would seek words with the douche who made the comment, seems he was brown nosing the employee.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
...and ignorance and judgement rears its ugly head (reported). How is a white and gold scheme with a military symbol not appropriate for space marines?!
What someone does in their own time is their own business. But if you're going to do it in a public arena, then you'd better expect public commentary. And not all public commentary will be nice. In fact, the further you deviate from the 'norm', the more that negative feedback will grow.
Hell, as a customer I'd hate to be in a store that was full of adult fans of MLP. I'd hate to see MLP incorporated into 40K armies. And if a store condoned that kind of MLP content, however tacitly, I would not patronise it, and I'm certainly not alone here. It's downright creepy. As a customer, I'd appreciate store managers quietly asking customers to leave their MLP influences at home, or take their patronage elsewhere. There's no need to be rude about it, or do it in public though.
TL;DR - Don't come crying to the internet when people call you out for doing stupid things.
Are you serious?
1) Celestial Marines. A cool name. And people instantly think of Celestia, instead of the actual meaning of the word? Grow up. The paint scheme didn't even remotely resemble anything MLP.
Cool enough name for a successor chapter of the Crimsion Fists to take the name, though they called themselves the Celestial Guard. Coincidentally their scheme looks like a bit of a mix of the two OP mentioned; the guard one he described and the marine one he posted.
... it is entirely their business. You don't have to play against their army, but it's their money and they can spend it however they want, and paint the models they've spent money on however they want.
Yes they can. And I'm free to express my own opinions on it as well.
This is the real world, you don't get to do whatever you want in public without public comment.
... it is entirely their business. You don't have to play against their army, but it's their money and they can spend it however they want, and paint the models they've spent money on however they want.
Yes they can. And I'm free to express my own opinions on it as well.
This is the real world, you don't get to do whatever you want in public without public comment.
And I'm free to point out that your opinion is bigoted and insecure. As well as horrible, horrible business practice for a store.
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Hunterindarkness wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
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I dig those myself. Purple is the color of royalty after all.
... it is entirely their business. You don't have to play against their army, but it's their money and they can spend it however they want, and paint the models they've spent money on however they want.
Yes they can. And I'm free to express my own opinions on it as well.
This is the real world, you don't get to do whatever you want in public without public comment.
And of course people are free to express their own opinions on your public comments as well.
I dig those myself. Purple is the color of royalty after all.
I find it funny, that color is the exact color of one of the ponies in the show. I wonder if that would count as being a MLP army.
I dig those myself. Purple is the color of royalty after all.
I find it funny, that color is the exact color of one of the ponies in the show. I wonder if that would count as being a MLP army.
That would mean that they've been infiltrating GW before the show was even released. By the Emperor, the MLP insurgency runs deeper than we could ever have suspected!
Hazardous Harry wrote:And I'm free to point out that your opinion is bigoted and insecure. As well as horrible, horrible business practice for a store.
You can say whatever blows your hair back, son. Doesn't make MLP fans any less creepy and strange.
And I can tell you right now, a store that prevents adults from indulging in MLP is a store with a much, much safer atmosphere as far as parents are concerned and one full of MLP fans is one I'd never enter.
Hazardous Harry wrote:And I'm free to point out that your opinion is bigoted and insecure. As well as horrible, horrible business practice for a store.
You can say whatever blows your hair back, son. Doesn't make MLP fans any less creepy and strange.
And I can tell you right now, a store that prevents adults from indulging in MLP is a store with a much, much safer atmosphere as far as parents are concerned and one full of MLP fans is one I'd never enter.
Yes because people continually speaking in strange, grammatical incorrect tongues (Krump da gits!), continual references to "Burn the Heretics", references to bigotry, hatred, and outright violence done upon others for the sake of blind faith, along with Xenophobia, graphical death, and all the violence summed up with a crowd of people screaming BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD or WAAAAAAAAGH! that can be heard several stores down.
Yes, because people who play Warhammer are perfectly safe with kids!
Reality-Torrent wrote:Yeah but what does it mean? It's not like people are bringing in a bunch of small horses to fight. What is "MLP" of making a space marine chapter?
Read the original post, The guy had a marked up coloring scheme planned out (Gold and white, with the Fleur De Lis as a symbol) and was showing it off, but the people there recognized it from the show as the other goddess ( he had little flags on his imperial guard tank that was the mark of one of the goddesses in the show), so they recognized his scheme as being based around the other. Thus insulting him.
Basically they are just being insulting over a paint job that wouldn't be really recognizable unless you know about the show in general.
Hold on here.. That symbol is a common symbol and is not owned by or solely used by any children show. A different color scheme is not only allowed by GW but encouraged.
So the real reason that people use words like "creepy" when trying to insult him is basically because they hold a fascination for MLP which they are gravely ashamed of? How else would they know of what you speak?
Reality-Torrent wrote:Hold on here.. That symbol is a common symbol and is not owned by or solely used by any children show. A different color scheme is not only allowed by GW but encouraged.
So the real reason that people use words like "creepy" when trying to insult him is basically because they hold a fascination for MLP which they are gravely ashamed of? How else would they know of what you speak?
He could speak of it, if someone asked "Is that from MLP" he could go with an affirmative if he felt it, and if they asked or he continued on they could potentially learn.
As for the creepy comments, that'd just be Kaldor being Kaldor.
Hazardous Harry wrote:And I'm free to point out that your opinion is bigoted and insecure. As well as horrible, horrible business practice for a store.
You can say whatever blows your hair back, son. Doesn't make MLP fans any less creepy and strange.
I'm not your son, buddy.
I'm not your buddy, friend. I'm not your friend, mate.
And I can tell you right now, a store that prevents adults from indulging in MLP is a store with a much, much safer atmosphere as far as parents are concerned and one full of MLP fans is one I'd never enter.
So you have guys that collect factions that indulge in Blood Sacrifices and an Authoritarian Regime that resembles the Spanish Inquisition after taking a crash-course on how to grim-darkify things up. Yet you think parents are going to be worried about the guys who watch kid shows?
Reality-Torrent wrote:Hold on here.. That symbol is a common symbol and is not owned by or solely used by any children show. A different color scheme is not only allowed by GW but encouraged.
So the real reason that people use words like "creepy" when trying to insult him is basically because they hold a fascination for MLP which they are gravely ashamed of? How else would they know of what you speak?
Kaldor wrote:What someone does in their own time is their own business. But if you're going to do it in a public arena, then you'd better expect public commentary. And not all public commentary will be nice. In fact, the further you deviate from the 'norm', the more that negative feedback will grow.
Hell, as a customer I'd hate to be in a store that was full of adult fans of MLP. I'd hate to see MLP incorporated into 40K armies. And if a store condoned that kind of MLP content, however tacitly, I would not patronise it, and I'm certainly not alone here. It's downright creepy. As a customer, I'd appreciate store managers quietly asking customers to leave their MLP influences at home, or take their patronage elsewhere. There's no need to be rude about it, or do it in public though.
TL;DR - Don't come crying to the internet when people call you out for doing stupid things.
Reality-check: Your 30 years old and are collecting and playing with tiny plastic figures. I am pretty sure allot of people find you quite creepy.
The thing is regardless of your stance on MLP all OP did was add an influence from one franchise they like to another. I don't see anything wrong with that and from what I've read the theme sounds like it works and the MLP influence is pretty minor. In fact even if someone used the MLP blind bag figures to make an army with actual ponies in it I'd still see no problem, especially if they put effort into customising the figures to look like they're in the armour of the army (I've seen pictures of some pretty neat models like this too, if I saw any like them in person I'd be very impressed) though I would advise only using that army against friends.
Yes there are going to be those who criticise the army but there will also be those that love it. If I saw an army based on a franchise I didn't like I'd probably just say "not really my thing but impressive work" because if they did a good job on the army itself my opinion on the franchise it was influenced by shouldn't matter.
deathholydeath wrote:This story reminds me...
I knew someone with an emperor's children army who painted them in their "codex" scheme (all pink and black) and then glued plastic penises to his defilers' autocannon barrels. As I remember, the defilers were also wearing pantyhose....
No-one made fun of it. Or really even said anything about it.
But then this was in New Orleans, so that type of thing isn't really that remarkable.
Anyway, whether it's hate speech or not, it's not conduct befitting an employ of a retail store-- that guy deserved to get fired. The other guy? Not much you can do about him other than grind him beneath your Imperial boots... or hooves as the case may be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, in reference to the OP's question: No I don't think it was justified. You didn't initiate the aggression; they did. From your account, you just came to have a good time and ended up getting insulted for your personal tastes.
Seven pages, and yet nobody cares to find out why some company is turning out little plastic penises? That has to be a niche market. To the OP, sounds like you were on the receiving side of unprofessional behavior. All too commen in retail.
I fixed that for you. People can be dicks for the dumbest of reasons - there are actually people out there who consider Pepsi v Coke a critical life style choice, so it shouldn't be surprising that there are some people (as even shown in this thread) who take their little plastic warmanz way too seriously.
Castiel wrote:I think the complaint is that the abuse came from a GW redshirt. He is there to make patrons of the shop feel comfortable and to provide help to customers, yet he insulted an army, that looks like it has a really nice colour scheme IMHO, purely for the reason that the inspiration for the name came from the MLP world. This behaviour from a person in his position is unacceptable.
Y'see, here's where a problem comes up.
I don't know about you, but the shops where I've gone to them for a long enough time (be it a grocery store, game store, or hardware store) to build up a rapport between myself and a specific employee--the dynamic has shifted to where we're comfortable poking fun at each other for things that employees and customers wouldn't usually joke about. For all we know, the OP and the employee have known each other for awhile and he cracks jokes about the employee just as bad as this one.
Castiel wrote:I think the complaint is that the abuse came from a GW redshirt. He is there to make patrons of the shop feel comfortable and to provide help to customers, yet he insulted an army, that looks like it has a really nice colour scheme IMHO, purely for the reason that the inspiration for the name came from the MLP world. This behaviour from a person in his position is unacceptable.
Y'see, here's where a problem comes up.
I don't know about you, but the shops where I've gone to them for a long enough time (be it a grocery store, game store, or hardware store) to build up a rapport between myself and a specific employee--the dynamic has shifted to where we're comfortable poking fun at each other for things that employees and customers wouldn't usually joke about. For all we know, the OP and the employee have known each other for awhile and he cracks jokes about the employee just as bad as this one.
Think before you speak m8. If their relationship was as you claim then this whole topic has lost it's ground and purpose. The OP is obviously best suited in deciding whether or not it was appropriate.
Castiel wrote:I think the complaint is that the abuse came from a GW redshirt. He is there to make patrons of the shop feel comfortable and to provide help to customers, yet he insulted an army, that looks like it has a really nice colour scheme IMHO, purely for the reason that the inspiration for the name came from the MLP world. This behaviour from a person in his position is unacceptable.
Y'see, here's where a problem comes up.
I don't know about you, but the shops where I've gone to them for a long enough time (be it a grocery store, game store, or hardware store) to build up a rapport between myself and a specific employee--the dynamic has shifted to where we're comfortable poking fun at each other for things that employees and customers wouldn't usually joke about. For all we know, the OP and the employee have known each other for awhile and he cracks jokes about the employee just as bad as this one.
Think before you speak m8. If their relationship was as you claim then this whole topic has lost it's ground and purpose. The OP is obviously best suited in deciding whether or not it was appropriate.
First thing is first:
I'm not your "m8". If you're going to address me in a familiar fashion, please take the time to spell out "mate".
Secondly:
That was my point. Quite often, we get people coming on here with their tales of mistreatment at the hands of their friends, anonymous strangers, or employees in the course of wargaming. It later comes out that they have left out key details which suddenly make the situation less of an "unprovoked and undeserved attack" upon them, and suddenly becomes a case of two people who were participating in the usual crap that people do and one person gets offended but rather than take it up with the individual who offended them in a calm, rational manner--they decide that it is some huge slight which can never be repaired.
I fixed that for you. People can be dicks for the dumbest of reasons - there are actually people out there who consider Pepsi v Coke a critical life style choice, so it shouldn't be surprising that there are some people (as even shown in this thread) who take their little plastic warmanz way too seriously.
I used t be in a clan in World of Tanks called MLP (My little Ponies) and we were the best on the server.
I'm only commenting because it's weird to hear another site mention the acronym MLP.
But really does this thread really need to be 7 pages?
In all honesty the guy gave you his opinion and you didn't like it. Stop QQing about it. Nothing ever needs to be justified. If some says your Army looks gay then who cares.
Sorry if I'm not in the loop, but why does someone look at the Fluer-De-Lis (The French Thingy on the soulder pad) and the color scheme and immediately come up with My Little Pony?
KplKeegan wrote:Sorry if I'm not in the loop, but why does someone look at the Fluer-De-Lis (The French Thingy on the soulder pad) and the color scheme and immediately come up with My Little Pony?
Because the OP has another MLP themed army, which specifically uses the iconography of a MLP or something for banners.
Alexzandvar wrote:Thanks guys, I was truly beside my self with anger at what he said. I merely use the color schemes from MLP for inspiration and never include any actual pony models so I felt his claims were ridiculous.
The Store manager called me later and said this was not the first time his fellow staff manager did this, and he has been "removed from the stores staff", he also said the guy who chimed in at the end wanted to apologize to me. So situation averted since I really enjoyed playing at that store.
Thanks also for all the compliments on the color scheme! I always liked the Fluer De Lis as a symbol and have used it on my Tanks before, but I wanted to use it for a major symbol so, thus I used it on my new marines.
Bravo for you and bravo for the store manager. Having your staff berate good costumers and anger them so much they storm out and promise to never come back is definitely bad for business. Sounds like the idiot got exactly what he deserved. I am also at a loss for what is wrong with that paint scheme. I think it looks pretty impressive in the screen shots and hope it translates well to the minis themselves. Sometimes painting light colors like that large parts of models like armor can be tough. Good luck with the project. Heck I would care if you got your inspiration for your color schemes from a daemon rape infested hentai movie. They are your minis to paint as you like...
KplKeegan wrote:Sorry if I'm not in the loop, but why does someone look at the Fluer-De-Lis (The French Thingy on the soulder pad) and the color scheme and immediately come up with My Little Pony?
Because the OP has another MLP themed army, which specifically uses the iconography of a MLP or something for banners.
And that this army's name references to the sister of the one the guard army is based on in a way.
Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about you, but the shops where I've gone to them for a long enough time (be it a grocery store, game store, or hardware store) to build up a rapport between myself and a specific employee--the dynamic has shifted to where we're comfortable poking fun at each other for things that employees and customers wouldn't usually joke about. For all we know, the OP and the employee have known each other for awhile and he cracks jokes about the employee just as bad as this one.
I am thinking the likelihood of that is pretty slim given that the guy was fired over the behavior. A store manager would be more congnizant of the interactions of his staff and customers and if this guy was *always* pissing people off it isn't just the "usual banter between friends".
Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about you, but the shops where I've gone to them for a long enough time (be it a grocery store, game store, or hardware store) to build up a rapport between myself and a specific employee--the dynamic has shifted to where we're comfortable poking fun at each other for things that employees and customers wouldn't usually joke about. For all we know, the OP and the employee have known each other for awhile and he cracks jokes about the employee just as bad as this one.
I am thinking the likelihood of that is pretty slim given that the guy was fired over the behavior. A store manager would be more congnizant of the interactions of his staff and customers and if this guy was *always* pissing people off it isn't just the "usual banter between friends".
Skriker
You'd be surprised. Managers might be cognizant of the interactions between the staff and customers, but at the same time when a customer starts throwing around the things along the line of "I've spent <insert amount here>, and I'm being treated poorly!" if the manager does not take steps to cover their butt it reflects poorly upon them, especially if the customer goes above the store manager's head to corporate or region and the employee in question is still there.
Kanluwen wrote:You'd be surprised. Managers might be cognizant of the interactions between the staff and customers, but at the same time when a customer starts throwing around the things along the line of "I've spent <insert amount here>, and I'm being treated poorly!" if the manager does not take steps to cover their butt it reflects poorly upon them, especially if the customer goes above the store manager's head to corporate or region and the employee in question is still there.
If the employee is truly being abusive and isn't fired then yes the manager is in trouble. If it is just an irrate customer blowing things out of proportion, a good manager can deal with pressure from the top and support his staff and their actions. Only poor managers fire someone willy nilly because they fear a complaining customer might go over their head. If the employee wasn't being abusive the manager normally has nothing to worry about. I've worked in retail off and on through my life in between corporate jobs and anyone who has worked in retail knows that there are just those customers that no matter what you say or do, you will never do anything right for them. They will berate you and threaten to report you to your manager and get you fired when all you did was try to politely server them. Good managers know about these people too. Usually they came to retail management directly from the retail floor themselves and know that just because a customer was having a bad day and complained about everything doesn't necessarily mean someone should be fired. If an employee services hundreds of customers in a day and one of them demands they be fired for being a total jerk the manager is going to smile, nod and tell the customer whatever they want to hear to make them less angry and get them out their store. Meanwhile if 75% of those customers complain to the manager that the employee is a total jerk then the manager is probably going to enact some kind of overwatch leading to possible disciplinary action.
Honestly, I would be annoyed if someone had a MLP/faboulos themed army but, I would never call you out on it. I would play you in competitive/for fun sense but not if it a fluffy fight.
Honestly, What did you expect people to say about a MLP painted army? your going to get a lot of flak. It like expecting to have barbie themed army and not getting flak for it.
Kanluwen wrote:You'd be surprised. Managers might be cognizant of the interactions between the staff and customers, but at the same time when a customer starts throwing around the things along the line of "I've spent <insert amount here>, and I'm being treated poorly!" if the manager does not take steps to cover their butt it reflects poorly upon them, especially if the customer goes above the store manager's head to corporate or region and the employee in question is still there.
If the employee is truly being abusive and isn't fired then yes the manager is in trouble. If it is just an irrate customer blowing things out of proportion, a good manager can deal with pressure from the top and support his staff and their actions. Only poor managers fire someone willy nilly because they fear a complaining customer might go over their head. If the employee wasn't being abusive the manager normally has nothing to worry about. I've worked in retail off and on through my life in between corporate jobs and anyone who has worked in retail knows that there are just those customers that no matter what you say or do, you will never do anything right for them. They will berate you and threaten to report you to your manager and get you fired when all you did was try to politely server them. Good managers know about these people too. Usually they came to retail management directly from the retail floor themselves and know that just because a customer was having a bad day and complained about everything doesn't necessarily mean someone should be fired. If an employee services hundreds of customers in a day and one of them demands they be fired for being a total jerk the manager is going to smile, nod and tell the customer whatever they want to hear to make them less angry and get them out their store. Meanwhile if 75% of those customers complain to the manager that the employee is a total jerk then the manager is probably going to enact some kind of overwatch leading to possible disciplinary action.
Skriker
In a corporate environment like GW's, you would be surprised how much power the customer has when it comes to getting someone fired.
Especially in a situation like this where the individual in question getting complained about is relatively low on the totem pole and in what is considered a "high turnover" job.
Kanluwen wrote:You'd be surprised. Managers might be cognizant of the interactions between the staff and customers, but at the same time when a customer starts throwing around the things along the line of "I've spent <insert amount here>, and I'm being treated poorly!" if the manager does not take steps to cover their butt it reflects poorly upon them, especially if the customer goes above the store manager's head to corporate or region and the employee in question is still there.
If the employee is truly being abusive and isn't fired then yes the manager is in trouble. If it is just an irrate customer blowing things out of proportion, a good manager can deal with pressure from the top and support his staff and their actions. Only poor managers fire someone willy nilly because they fear a complaining customer might go over their head. If the employee wasn't being abusive the manager normally has nothing to worry about. I've worked in retail off and on through my life in between corporate jobs and anyone who has worked in retail knows that there are just those customers that no matter what you say or do, you will never do anything right for them. They will berate you and threaten to report you to your manager and get you fired when all you did was try to politely server them. Good managers know about these people too. Usually they came to retail management directly from the retail floor themselves and know that just because a customer was having a bad day and complained about everything doesn't necessarily mean someone should be fired. If an employee services hundreds of customers in a day and one of them demands they be fired for being a total jerk the manager is going to smile, nod and tell the customer whatever they want to hear to make them less angry and get them out their store. Meanwhile if 75% of those customers complain to the manager that the employee is a total jerk then the manager is probably going to enact some kind of overwatch leading to possible disciplinary action.
Skriker
In a corporate environment like GW's, you would be surprised how much power the customer has when it comes to getting someone fired.
Especially in a situation like this where the individual in question getting complained about is relatively low on the totem pole and in what is considered a "high turnover" job.
This, plus you can tell the HQ that you were being harassed as they were calling you homo and other things it sounded like from the dialogue, GW will definitely take that seriously as that is a surefire way to get sued and something a company will try to avoid.
I think there sould perhaps be more of a distinction made here regards what was said, rather than why. What was said to the OP was homophobic and insulting; two things that it is never right for an employee to say to you when they are serving you.
The difference between "that is a stupid idea for an army" and what the OP reportedly had said to him is the reason why there is an issue, not so much that it was because he was planning to make an(other) MLP army. The comment above is mildly insulting, certainly (and definately wrong coming from someone who is there to serve/support you), but it doesn't cross the line over into what many people would consider hate speach, as did what was (apparently) actually said.
Going back and re-reading the OP, I'm not really sure why the manager (who was apparently talking to the OP initially) didn't step in and say something at the time the OP was getting these comments from the other member of staff and patron of the store.
Yes, totally justified. I see Kaldor and others' point about getting flak, but it should not be coming from staff, regardless of their personal opinions. Banter, fine. Outright slagging? Unacceptable.
SilverMK2 wrote:
Going back and re-reading the OP, I'm not really sure why the manager (who was apparently talking to the OP initially) didn't step in and say something at the time the OP was getting these comments from the other member of staff and patron of the store.
Which does make it seem more like the manager is aware of a more "casual" relationship between the customer and employee, now doesn't it?
Hell. If someone came into the kinds of vitriol you and I sometimes toss each other in a friendly manner on Steam or Xbox Live--they'd think we were going to kill each other.
Kanluwen wrote:Hell. If someone came into the kinds of vitriol you and I sometimes toss each other in a friendly manner on Steam or Xbox Live--they'd think we were going to kill each other.
Speaking of which, you may want to not open any packages you get from the UK for the next couple of weeks until you have them checked out by CDC... I may have... "accidentally" posted you some experimental flu virus after the last time we gamed and you insulted my snazzy purple and gold armour
Kanluwen wrote:Hell. If someone came into the kinds of vitriol you and I sometimes toss each other in a friendly manner on Steam or Xbox Live--they'd think we were going to kill each other.
Speaking of which, you may want to not open any packages you get from the UK for the next couple of weeks until you have them checked out by CDC... I may have... "accidentally" posted you some experimental flu virus after the last time we gamed and you insulted my snazzy purple and gold armour
After reading this? I REALY want to see your Marien and IG armies. A bunch of IG with luna's cutie mark on their shoulder pads would be pretty impressive to say the least.
Still reading threw the tread but hope you reported the asshat employee who said that stuff. That and hope the fething mouth breather who decided to join in on attacking you, get's a reality check.
The guy's job is selling toy soldiers! Your not the bastion of manliness you think you are.... Are you realy going to try and pull some "alpha nerd" bs? What a idiot.
I just have one question, that's supposed to be a MLP paint scheme? It just looks like white marines with gold trim and the fleur de lis on the shoulder. The employee totally flipped out for no reason and you were totally justified.
Alexzandvar wrote:Thanks guys, I was truly beside my self with anger at what he said. I merely use the color schemes from MLP for inspiration and never include any actual pony models so I felt his claims were ridiculous.
The Store manager called me later and said this was not the first time his fellow staff manager did this, and he has been "removed from the stores staff", he also said the guy who chimed in at the end wanted to apologize to me. So situation averted since I really enjoyed playing at that store.
Thanks also for all the compliments on the color scheme! I always liked the Fluer De Lis as a symbol and have used it on my Tanks before, but I wanted to use it for a major symbol so, thus I used it on my new marines.
Glad to hear that things seem to have worked out for ya. ^_^
This thread kinda makes me wonder what people would say if I used my Marines and Terminators which have been converted into furries and scalies down at the local GW... or in public at all.
(Fun fact: Scalies are like furries, but with scales, such as anthropomorphic lizards and dragons. Ones with feathers are called avians. I've also heard the term featheries, but I don't know how common either term is, as I'm not very involved in the community as a whole.)
CrashCanuck wrote:I just have one question, that's supposed to be a MLP paint scheme? It just looks like white marines with gold trim and the fleur de lis on the shoulder. The employee totally flipped out for no reason and you were totally justified.
It makes me think there's more to this story that the OP wasn't letting on, particularly more things he did to incite this reaction.
CrashCanuck wrote:I just have one question, that's supposed to be a MLP paint scheme? It just looks like white marines with gold trim and the fleur de lis on the shoulder. The employee totally flipped out for no reason and you were totally justified.
It makes me think there's more to this story that the OP wasn't letting on, particularly more things he did to incite this reaction.
Don't think so. The employee knew he liked MLP from his IG army, which featured symbols from the show. He knew that there were two powerful princesses in MLP, Luna and Celestia. So when the OP brought in his colour scheme for his new army called Celestial Marines this employee automatically assumed that Celestial referred to Celestia and went off on a rant which was, to say the least, unprofessional.
What could the OP possibly have done to incite this reaction? If someone is causing trouble in the store then GW policy is to calmly ask them to leave. If they refuse then the police are called. You do not, under any circumstances, escalate the situation by insulting the troublemaker. So even if the OP had done something to incite this reaction the employee should still be fired for failing to maintain the professional standards required, especially as he is employed in a position which will bring him into regular contact with children.
Kanluwen wrote:In a corporate environment like GW's, you would be surprised how much power the customer has when it comes to getting someone fired.
Especially in a situation like this where the individual in question getting complained about is relatively low on the totem pole and in what is considered a "high turnover" job.
You missed my point entirely here...the point is that a manager is not going to have a knee jerk reaction, but if it really was something that was bad would resolve it. I was replying to someone who implied that just because a customer complained an employee would be fired. The key is the validity of the customer complaint. Even a corporate environment like GW needs employees and sacking employees daily just because a single customer complained about them doesn't happen often and will ulitimately mean word will get around and no one will hire on to work in the stores anymore because if a single customer looks at you funny you will be canned. In this case, judging by the Manager's actions and call back apology it sounds like there was a history with this employee so sacking was an appropriate action.
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A Town Called Malus wrote:Don't think so. The employee knew he liked MLP from his IG army, which featured symbols from the show. He knew that there were two powerful princesses in MLP, Luna and Celestia. So when the OP brought in his colour scheme for his new army called Celestial Marines this employee automatically assumed that Celestial referred to Celestia and went off on a rant which was, to say the least, unprofessional.
Of course one has to wonder why someone who is obviously as well aware of the MLP history and back story is so vehmently homophobic towards someone who is using inspiration from the show. I mean it wouldn't have even happened if the employee wasn't as knowledge about MLP as the OP in the first place...
Kanluwen wrote:In a corporate environment like GW's, you would be surprised how much power the customer has when it comes to getting someone fired.
Especially in a situation like this where the individual in question getting complained about is relatively low on the totem pole and in what is considered a "high turnover" job.
You missed my point entirely here...the point is that a manager is not going to have a knee jerk reaction, but if it really was something that was bad would resolve it. I was replying to someone who implied that just because a customer complained an employee would be fired. The key is the validity of the customer complaint. Even a corporate environment like GW needs employees and sacking employees daily just because a single customer complained about them doesn't happen often and will ultimately mean word will get around and no one will hire on to work in the stores anymore because if a single customer looks at you funny you will be canned. In this case, judging by the Manager's actions and call back apology it sounds like there was a history with this employee so sacking was an appropriate action.
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I'm completely aware of your point. I just find it to be a rather silly one. This concept that "employees are protected, no matter what!" is rather ludicrous.
It's far easier for a manager (who may or may not actually be "in-store" every day, as we don't know whether or not it was an actual manager of the shop, a regional manager, etc) to let a register-monkey go than it is for him to launch any kind of inquiry into the situation at hand.
Since the manager, however, was purportedly standing right next to the employee when this guy was giving the OP such hell that he finds it necessary to post about it on Dakka, but did not do anything to publicly berate him or prevent the other customers from mocking the OP--it casts quite a bit of doubt that this situation occurred as it was described.
It makes it sound more like this kind of ribbing is something that happens often, but on this occasion the OP threw a fit and the manager realized after the fact that it was a situation which was a powderkeg that could blowback in his face and took steps to insulate himself and his store/parent company from any kind of shenanigans that the OP could bring against him through complaints.
Quite frankly I would not be surprised to see posts from the OP within the next few months talking about how the store has implemented some kind of ridiculous draconian policy to prevent this kind of situation from happening again.
A Town Called Malus wrote:Don't think so. The employee knew he liked MLP from his IG army, which featured symbols from the show. He knew that there were two powerful princesses in MLP, Luna and Celestia. So when the OP brought in his colour scheme for his new army called Celestial Marines this employee automatically assumed that Celestial referred to Celestia and went off on a rant which was, to say the least, unprofessional.
Of course one has to wonder why someone who is obviously as well aware of the MLP history and back story is so vehmently homophobic towards someone who is using inspiration from the show. I mean it wouldn't have even happened if the employee wasn't as knowledge about MLP as the OP in the first place...
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Because the OP has another army themed around a MLP character, and has apparently been mocked about it before in this very same store by the playerbase.
It makes it sound far more like the OP is a rather young individual who talks a lot about MLP--as people are wont to do about their interests--but does not quite understand the concept of "Not all people will accept my interests as being worth interest".
As a sidenote:
There's a very, very big reason why I'm so skeptical of this claim. Dakka is a place which has had its fair share of people come on and post about their "horrific experiences" in local shops, only to have someone else from that very same shop come on and further explain the situation in detail making it quite clear that the "Woe is me!" poster was doing something to antagonize their supposed antagonist.
It's ridiculous how full of drama this hobby can be.
Kanluwen wrote:I'm completely aware of your point. I just find it to be a rather silly one. This concept that "employees are protected, no matter what!" is rather ludicrous.
Hello. I never said that employees are protected no matter what. Just that the concept is not as frivilous as you are making it out to be. Companies receive complains EVERY DAY. If they fired every employee that one person moaned about they would go out of business. It IS that simple. Have you ever worked in retail in your life? Do you think that no one EVER complained about you as an employee ever? If you still had a job they you have seen my point in action.
Kanluwen wrote:It's far easier for a manager (who may or may not actually be "in-store" every day, as we don't know whether or not it was an actual manager of the shop, a regional manager, etc) to let a register-monkey go than it is for him to launch any kind of inquiry into the situation at hand.
Have you ever worked as a manager? Even a register monkey requires more than a little training that isn't just thrown out the door on a whim. I've had problems with employees in the past, and have received complaints both founded and unfounded on employees. As the manager it was *MY JOB* to find the real problems and deal with them and not just fire people regularly to appease angry customers. I was the first line of defense for corporate to make sure that valid complaints were addressed and that invalid complaints didn't ruin an employee's reputation in the company. As an example: for an invalid complaint I boot out an employee and now I need to 1) Hire a replacement. 2) Train a replacement. During that time my store/department is understaffed and my own workload is increased on the sales floor and behind the scenes as I find someone to hire and train. The lazy manager who dumps employees just out of hand without real need to do so ends up with much more work than it would have taken them to verify that the problem was valid or not in the first place. In management there are plenty of ways to deal with a difficult employee that don't require firing.
kanluwen wrote:Because the OP has another army themed around a MLP character, and has apparently been mocked about it before in this very same store by the playerbase.
It makes it sound far more like the OP is a rather young individual who talks a lot about MLP--as people are wont to do about their interests--but does not quite understand the concept of "Not all people will accept my interests as being worth interest".
There is a difference in "not all people accepting my interests as being worth interest" and abuse of customers by staff members who don't find their interest of interest. I've seen plenty of armies in themes I never would have been caught dead using, but if they are well executed more power to them. It is obviously important enough to the customer that you can fall back on the "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all" concept.
kanluwen wrote:As a sidenote:
There's a very, very big reason why I'm so skeptical of this claim. Dakka is a place which has had its fair share of people come on and post about their "horrific experiences" in local shops, only to have someone else from that very same shop come on and further explain the situation in detail making it quite clear that the "Woe is me!" poster was doing something to antagonize their supposed antagonist.
It's ridiculous how full of drama this hobby can be.
All we can do is respond to what was posted. Given the nature of forums since the days of usenet there is no guarantees that anything that anyone posts here is even remotely true, but for me I give them the benefit of the doubt and leave it at that and that is all I can ask from others.
I do agree how ridiculous the drama in this hobby can be...it is a game...played with painted toy soldiers, though to be fair all of life is this way. Some people just get their jollies from insulting others to make themselves feel better or porting drama into their lives on a daily basis over nothing. Some people are just not willing or able to allow themselves to happy at all.
Kanluwen wrote:I'm completely aware of your point. I just find it to be a rather silly one. This concept that "employees are protected, no matter what!" is rather ludicrous.
Hello. I never said that employees are protected no matter what. Just that the concept is not as frivilous as you are making it out to be. Companies receive complains EVERY DAY. If they fired every employee that one person moaned about they would go out of business. It IS that simple. Have you ever worked in retail in your life? Do you think that no one EVER complained about you as an employee ever? If you still had a job they you have seen my point in action.
Yes. I have worked as an employee in retail. I also am quite aware of the fact that managers can be petty, self-serving individuals who have no problems sacrificing employees to save their own butt as I did see several fellow employees who were quite good and had -nothing- in the way of feasible complaints brought against them for their duration at the store where we worked. Then one customer comes in with an outrageous claim, and the manager lets them go when the magic words "I'm going to file a complaint with corporate!" are brought up.
Kanluwen wrote:It's far easier for a manager (who may or may not actually be "in-store" every day, as we don't know whether or not it was an actual manager of the shop, a regional manager, etc) to let a register-monkey go than it is for him to launch any kind of inquiry into the situation at hand.
Have you ever worked as a manager? Even a register monkey requires more than a little training that isn't just thrown out the door on a whim. I've had problems with employees in the past, and have received complaints both founded and unfounded on employees. As the manager it was *MY JOB* to find the real problems and deal with them and not just fire people regularly to appease angry customers. I was the first line of defense for corporate to make sure that valid complaints were addressed and that invalid complaints didn't ruin an employee's reputation in the company. As an example: for an invalid complaint I boot out an employee and now I need to 1) Hire a replacement. 2) Train a replacement. During that time my store/department is understaffed and my own workload is increased on the sales floor and behind the scenes as I find someone to hire and train. The lazy manager who dumps employees just out of hand without real need to do so ends up with much more work than it would have taken them to verify that the problem was valid or not in the first place. In management there are plenty of ways to deal with a difficult employee that don't require firing.
Consider the fact that these shops are basically meant to be ran by one or two people, tops, and you'll see that letting a register monkey go isn't that bad.
kanluwen wrote:Because the OP has another army themed around a MLP character, and has apparently been mocked about it before in this very same store by the playerbase.
It makes it sound far more like the OP is a rather young individual who talks a lot about MLP--as people are wont to do about their interests--but does not quite understand the concept of "Not all people will accept my interests as being worth interest".
There is a difference in "not all people accepting my interests as being worth interest" and abuse of customers by staff members who don't find their interest of interest. I've seen plenty of armies in themes I never would have been caught dead using, but if they are well executed more power to them. It is obviously important enough to the customer that you can fall back on the "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all" concept.
There is also a difference between "not all people accept my interests as being worth interest" and constantly bombarding people with talk of your interests.
I don't like painting groups with a broad brush, as I'm a stickler for context and specifics personally, but something I've noticed is that the majority of these "Bronies" that we see posting here on Dakka tend to be rather awkward adolescent males who have something that is setting them apart from their fellow adolescents enough that they're going to be the target of ridicule either way, but with teenagers and adolescents being the mob mentality they are--it's easier to just ride the hate train on that specific characteristic. It's also far, far easier for the little monsters to pick on these "Bronies" by the fact that many of them, for lack of a better term, will flaunt this interest as though it is a very important defining aspect of their being.
And then they are surprised that they are belittled and mocked for it.
kanluwen wrote:As a sidenote:
There's a very, very big reason why I'm so skeptical of this claim. Dakka is a place which has had its fair share of people come on and post about their "horrific experiences" in local shops, only to have someone else from that very same shop come on and further explain the situation in detail making it quite clear that the "Woe is me!" poster was doing something to antagonize their supposed antagonist.
It's ridiculous how full of drama this hobby can be.
All we can do is respond to what was posted. Given the nature of forums since the days of usenet there is no guarantees that anything that anyone posts here is even remotely true, but for me I give them the benefit of the doubt and leave it at that and that is all I can ask from others.
I do agree how ridiculous the drama in this hobby can be...it is a game...played with painted toy soldiers, though to be fair all of life is this way. Some people just get their jollies from insulting others to make themselves feel better or porting drama into their lives on a daily basis over nothing. Some people are just not willing or able to allow themselves to happy at all.
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Indeed. Something you can also do is take into context the poster's history.
I actually had a PM recently when I changed my sig, info, and avatar to the current Infinity "theme" I have going on asking about what happened between myself and GW as a company.
If I weren't a well-known GW "fanboy", it would have been no big deal. As it stands--it was something someone actually considered important enough to see if there was a story behind it.
(There's really not. I like the Dasyu Sniper model and decided I'd go with an ALEPH "theme" for a bit, before anyone asks. )
Gamers have on average less social skills than the average adult in society. In addition they tend to be a little obsessive about whatever particular game they favor. Introducing anything into their little world that is out of character is likely to make them more on edge. Given the associations between My Little Pony and effeminate behavior I'm not surprised that you caught some serious flak. I would not play a male with a my little pony themed army 9 times out of 10. Then again I feel the same way about nearly all non 40k themed armies.
I would not however look down on you for wanting to play it and would still welcome you to join the group.
Assuming you are male, they were likely dealing with homophobic issues along with your infringement into "their" world. I'd find a group that accepts you for you are.
Shadowbrand wrote:Imo, grow some thicker skin bronies or else you will always just be prodded at to see you over react.
1000% this.
I have a friend that makes fun of peopls armies/paintjobs/list composition just to see them get upset.
He once, while looking at a "well painted army" (His words), made fun of the red and green Xmas theme Eldar army just because he knew it would get a rise out of the owner of said Xmas Eldar.
Um...your friend is kind of a dick then. Why would someone think it's ok to be a dick? I really don't understand why people seem to think it's ok to piss people off just to see them pissed off. That's a seriously messed-up way to think.
beigeknight wrote:Um...your friend is kind of a dick then. Why would someone think it's ok to be a dick? I really don't understand why people seem to think it's ok to piss people off just to see them pissed off. That's a seriously messed-up way to think.
He is "a dick" to people who are "deserving", in his mind, of ridicule.
This is usually directed at people who do, what he considers, stupid stuff.
He is a curmudgeon. I guess making fun of people is his release.
You can make fun of 40k and it's okay it's funny. You can make fun of fat people and that's acceptable. But if you -ever- make fun of a bronie THOR FORBID THAT'S SO HEINOUS.
I started reading this topic and then saw 8 pages of what I can only presume is angry debating. I'll skip all that and just answer the OP.
Your money and paint so go to town. I don't know what the heck my little pony armies are, but paint away and worry not.
If people do have problems with these mlp forces at ur store and you have had previous issues with that, I'd suggest lay off anything that could be considered mlp propaganda. If this isn't the issue then play with joy.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
Let me share you a story about the blow back I get from it, and how I enjoy crushing it under my Super-Heavy Tanks.
Now to put this in context I run a Imperial Guard Army called Luna's Legion. This is a heavy armor army that makes heavy use of Tanks and Artillery and my only Titan ( a Warlord ). This is an apoc battle. This Army uses the cutie mark of the Princess from My Little Pony as a banner and marking.
The Army is painted in a void space Camo theme.
I enter the store to play a 2vs2 Apoc with my Friend who plays Ultramarines. I sit down and begin to unload my army after greeting everyone. My opponents are 2 people who I have never met before, they look to be in there 20's or older, one plays Ork "Green Tide" and another plays Tyranids. Now, everyone in the store knows about the cutie mark thing, but I had to tell them as none of them recognized it, and they didn't care and I even got some compliments on my painting. As I take my Baneblades out ( I didn't bring my Titan, to big and to cumbersome sometimes ) they have 2 flags on the back of each both with said cutie mark and a III under it. The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".
After I have everything unloaded and I begin to speak with my friend on strategy the Ork player leans over the table and says, "Are you ing slowed? Were is all of your Guardsmen and Infantry, I explain to him what little Infantry I have is on Chimeras and Valkyries as I do not like playing with mass Infantry and prefer mass armored combat. But hes having none of it and proclaims that his Orks will crush my "Stupid list" into nothing. Battle opens up and he loses his entire first charging wave to my 4 Baneblades and several Leman Russ's. He then goes into a rage accusing me of being a player and how I won't be able to hold off another attack. Second wave is chopped to peices by Artillery fire and my Manticores turn his Warboss into a green smear.
Him AND his friend the Tyranid player then go into a rant on how I am a Horse er for having a Army which only illusion to My Little Pony is it's flag, and my friend for being a "Ultrafaggot". They then pack up and leave, with the Ork player throwing his Warboss in the trash on the way out.
Me and friend re-organize our armies as we have another match later that day and go grab a Starbucks and something to eat from Cheesecake factory!
Lol talk about some crazy rage from those guys.
Some people are a bit too serious methinks.
Hey, free Warboss up for grabs!
But seriously, I've just started watching MLP, and I have no idea why it inspires such rage. Yes, it was designed for young girls, but producer Lauren Faust wanted a show that everyone would be able to enjoy. Besides, 40k could use a bit of happiness and love.
You're fully justified being pissed at him for ridiculing your paint choices in such a way. However, I can honestly say that if I saw a My Little Pony army across the table from me in a non-tournament, I'd give the guy a look, and probably pack up. I'm all for customization, but I think MLP has no place in 40k. That's my personal taste-you'd probably not want to stand across from my Iron Man themed Eldar army, and that's fine. But his word choice and actions were not okay, even if he hated your army scheme.
beigeknight wrote:Um...your friend is kind of a dick then. Why would someone think it's ok to be a dick? I really don't understand why people seem to think it's ok to piss people off just to see them pissed off. That's a seriously messed-up way to think.
He is "a dick" to people who are "deserving", in his mind, of ridicule.
This is usually directed at people who do, what he considers, stupid stuff.
He is a curmudgeon. I guess making fun of people is his release.
Its better than the alternative.
What is "the alternative" you speak of? I figure the alternative of being a total d-bag is to NOT be a total d-bag. In which case no, that's not better than the alternative.
I guess people have the right to be a dick. Then again, one has the right to call out people on being a dick and treating them accordingly.
Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.
Just sayin.
Here's a good example. If someone is going to be a dick about someone else's army theme, they better expect the blowback(you know, like nobody liking them/gaming with them).
Shadowbrand wrote:You've clearly spent too much time on 4chan then.
There's kinky then theirs that You should hang out with Cannerus.
Also. Is your avatar's fur repellant to napalm? I ask -purely- out of curiosity.
:: giggles :: I don't go to 4chan, but the Internet in general tends to have that effect on people. ^_^
Also, scales, not fur. My character is depicted as a dragoness there. But to answer your question, probably not. That, plus if her head were soaked in blazing napalm, even if her scales were unharmed, she'd be breathing in the flames, which would scorch her lungs and probably cause death.
Shadowbrand wrote:You've clearly spent too much time on 4chan then.
There's kinky then theirs that You should hang out with Cannerus.
Also. Is your avatar's fur repellant to napalm? I ask -purely- out of curiosity.
:: giggles :: I don't go to 4chan, but the Internet in general tends to have that effect on people. ^_^
Also, scales, not fur. My character is depicted as a dragoness there. But to answer your question, probably not. That, plus if her head were soaked in blazing napalm, even if her scales were unharmed, she'd be breathing in the flames, which would scorch her lungs and probably cause death.
This man knows a bit about actual cause of death from fire. Pro tip, if you are ever burning to death do yourself a favor and breath in. Yay fire academy. However hypothetically speaking. A dragons lungs *should* be quite resilient to fire, what with the fire breathing and all.
IcedAnimals wrote:However hypothetically speaking. A dragons lungs *should* be quite resilient to fire, what with the fire breathing and all.
:: nods :: Hypothetically, yes, but she's much less resilient than a dragon would be, since she's not really a dragon, she's just assuming the physical form of one. There's about 6 years of real-time history with the character since her creation in 2006.
The relevant part is that she doesn't breathe fire, she can't fly without the aid of a vehicle, propulsion device or magic - she doesn't even normally have wings - she can't handle fire, and her scales are not very tough.
Ye gods, why do I feel like an idiot for typing all that?
Shadowbrand wrote:A real dragon would burn my thatch roof cottage.
Well not all Dragons can have chiaroscuro shading and consumate V's as spinidies and angry eyebrows.
Also some dragons are vulnerable to fire, and do not spew fire at all. Some spew acid, cold, or lightning.
beigeknight wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:Its better than the alternative.
What is "the alternative" you speak of? I figure the alternative of being a total d-bag is to NOT be a total d-bag. In which case no, that's not better than the alternative.
I guess people have the right to be a dick. Then again, one has the right to call out people on being a dick and treating them accordingly.
The Alternative is if people don't find a way to blow off steam, and keep it bottled up, they climb tall structures with high powered rifles, and use heads as target practice.
The friend mentioned was in Desert Storm, he was deployed for a few years over there. No telling what he has experienced.
So It may be his way of blowing off steam as to not climb a tall structure with a rifle.
Eight pages eh? Kinda amazing for such a simple thing.
To answer the OP, yup. Completely in the right by what you did. Showed more control than i would have at least.
But, on to the thing that gets me in the eight pages i just read, this quote, whom i wont name, THIS is what has my goat in this topic.
Yes they can. And I'm free to express my own opinions on it as well.
This is the real world, you don't get to do whatever you want in public without public comment.
To reinforce my point of view sir, you certainly have the right to your opinion. You can swing that opinion where you like and how you want. However, that opinion ends where the other guys nose begins.
So good sir, you miss the point of this hobby. The environment and general attitude is to have fun. If you stated this at a game, I certainly would not play with you and your attitude. Perhaps you should mill over that sentiment while you enjoy the hobby the way you enjoy it. :3
Xzerios wrote:If you stated this at a game, I certainly would not play with you and your attitude. Perhaps you should mill over that sentiment while you enjoy the hobby the way you enjoy it. :3
The more bronies and bronie apologists I can weed out of my life, the better.
Since the manager, however, was purportedly standing right next to the employee when this guy was giving the OP such hell that he finds it necessary to post about it on Dakka, but did not do anything to publicly berate him or prevent the other customers from mocking the OP--it casts quite a bit of doubt that this situation occurred as it was described.
It makes it sound more like this kind of ribbing is something that happens often, but on this occasion the OP threw a fit and the manager realized after the fact that it was a situation which was a powderkeg that could blowback in his face and took steps to insulate himself and his store/parent company from any kind of shenanigans that the OP could bring against him through complaints.
@Kanluwen,
Normally I would agree with you here. There's something in the reading of the situation that didn't add up, and I think it's this very thing. I have a hard time envisioning a GW manager sitting by and watching an employee go crazy and start spewing words like cigarette and homo at a customer who has not only in the past spent significant money, but was also in the middle of pitching an idea for a whole new force. Doubly so if the player buys enough models to fields apocolypse level forces. All the way up to the dramatic ending where the OP gets in his final bit of justice and runs in tears out of the door.
That said, I do know there are people in the world who do NOT handle conflict, especially those involving hurtful words or raised voices, very well. It could be the manager is one of those types who may be frightened or intimidated by shouting or alpha male taunting. It took him a few days of quiet to mull over the situation and fire the errant employee, who regardless of his stance on bronies, deserved to lose his job for that sort of flare up at a customer.
OP, I like others would like to see a link or pics of your MLP army. I'm curious if it is inflammatorily bronified or just like anypony elses army with some pretty bits tossed on it. Either way, it can't be more annoying than the love marines projects out there. As a side note.. why is it artistically acceptable to legions of zombie IG ( zombies being their own fad ) hitler IG, and what the hell ever to exist but as soon as someone parodies the srs bzns grimdark of 40k they level of disgust is so high that people actually would go out of their way to completely dismiss someone as a potential opponent or person of interest?
@ Deathreaper,
Deployed or not your friend is still acting like a witch. I've been deployed 6 times throughout my military career with numerous stations overseas and in the middle east. They have classes for things like PTSD so that the alternatives available aren't just douchebaggery or climbing up a bell tower. A prick is a prick and thats what your pal is doing. Suggest he seek some attention before he realizes that being an asshat isnt enough and he climbs the tower anyways or starts stabbing dogs or hurting his family. But don't encourage that gak. Makes you as bad or worse, since you dont have the same stressers he had.
Shayden wrote:40k could use a bit of happiness and love.
That would go against the Gothic Horror aspect that 40K is built on, and would diminish the entire setting.
I would say that adding some light in the form of love (or some other happy emotion) would increase the effectiveness of the gothic horror setting. Having that little glimmer of light, that tiny sliver of hope, highlights how messed up the galaxy is. If everything is the same grimy shade of dark then it all just mixes together and becomes discernible. As it is I really couldn't care less about what happens to humanity in the 40k universe. It hasn't given me any reason to care.
As an example. The holocaust was extremely bad. Did the fact that some Jews were saved by Germans (such as Oskar Schindler) make it any less terrible? No.
So from a literary standpoint the 40k setting is terrible as it doesn't provide any contrast to increase the impact of the horrors it uses to advance (or sustain) its plot.
DeathReaper wrote:Its better than the alternative.
What is "the alternative" you speak of? I figure the alternative of being a total d-bag is to NOT be a total d-bag. In which case no, that's not better than the alternative.
I guess people have the right to be a dick. Then again, one has the right to call out people on being a dick and treating them accordingly.
The Alternative is if people don't find a way to blow off steam, and keep it bottled up, they climb tall structures with high powered rifles, and use heads as target practice.
The friend mentioned was in Dessert Storm, he was deployed for a few years over there. No telling what he has experienced.
So It may be his way of blowing off steam as to not climb a tall structure with a rifle.
I have multiple friends that were in Desert Storm. I also have a couple uncles that were in Vietnam. They don't go around acting like jerks for their own amusement. In fact, there's a lot of soldiers that experience terrible things and don't "blow off steam on others or start shooting people". People like that are just sick, and it has nothing to do with being in the military. And I see no reason why people should defend that type of jerk.
You guys keep mentioning 'dessert storm'-was that where we raided the Keebler elf factory and assassinated Willy Wonka? I think you mean 'desert storm.' Remember, dessert has two 's's because you always want more. That's how I was taught in third grade.
timetowaste85 wrote:you'd probably not want to stand across from my Iron Man themed Eldar army, and that's fine.
Actually that sounds pretty cool.
Thunderfrog wrote:As a side note.. why is it artistically acceptable to legions of zombie IG ( zombies being their own fad ) hitler IG, and what the hell ever to exist but as soon as someone parodies the srs bzns grimdark of 40k they level of disgust is so high that people actually would go out of their way to completely dismiss someone as a potential opponent or person of interest?
Well said. And here lies the hypocrasy of some people.
Daleks in your Necron army? Cool.
Painting Tau XV8 Crisis Battlesuit to look like Briareos from Appleseed? Sweet.
A minor bit of influence from My Little Pony Friendship is Magic? Get out of my sight!
Seriously the people complaining about this are basically saying "how dare you like what I don't like" rather than looking at how the influence works. I mean yes I'd hardly expect a bunch of Marines based on Pinkie Pie to make any sence (though they would be funny to look at) but influences from Princess Luna and Princess Celestia could turn out pretty interesting, especially if it includes a royal element to everything.
On that note I'd love to see this Luna themed army too. I'm a brony myself and a fan of Luna so an army based on her sounds pretty cool.
DeathReaper wrote:He is "a dick" to people who are "deserving", in his mind, of ridicule.
This is usually directed at people who do, what he considers, stupid stuff.
He is a curmudgeon. I guess making fun of people is his release.
Its better than the alternative.
In my book being a dick to people who you consider deserve it is still being a dick. Better than the alternative? Being nice to people? Or are you implying if he didn't have this release as a dick he would hurt people physically instead?
Something to note is how obvious the influence is.
If I show up with a Death Korps of Krieg army with a trench board, with the troopers painted in the recognizable blue longcoat and their banners painted in the red, white, and blue bars of the French flag, and they have wheels of cheese on their bases--you're going to recognize it right away as an army based upon French forces during the First World War.
If I show up with a Death Korps of Krieg army with a trench board, with the troops having that same blue longcoat and each platoon having different color markings (one red, one white, one blue)--it's a far more subtle thing which you might not recognize immediately. You might just see it as a striking color scheme.
The player, as well, is something to take into consideration. If I were speaking English with a French accent--it might be something which leads you to put 2 and 2 together and making the conclusion "Oh! That's a First World War French army!".
If I were standing there with a MLP t-shirt on, showing the same character which I themed my army around, and talking about being a brony--it becomes very painfully obvious what is going on.
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
I also, personally, find most of the "zombie IG" just as dumb--but they're not really in bad taste nor potentially going to be as much of a powderkeg for a situation involving adolescent males as the OP's will be.
Kanluwen wrote:Indeed. Something you can also do is take into context the poster's history.
I actually had a PM recently when I changed my sig, info, and avatar to the current Infinity "theme" I have going on asking about what happened between myself and GW as a company.
If I weren't a well-known GW "fanboy", it would have been no big deal. As it stands--it was something someone actually considered important enough to see if there was a story behind it.
(There's really not. I like the Dasyu Sniper model and decided I'd go with an ALEPH "theme" for a bit, before anyone asks. )
Looks like we have covered the bases on this one, thanks for the discourse. I guess I have a slightly more optimistic view on the subject of employee/management relations, but you've definitely had some lousy experiences on that front which are definitely just as valid and clearly sucked in a big way.
Kanluwen wrote:Indeed. Something you can also do is take into context the poster's history.
I actually had a PM recently when I changed my sig, info, and avatar to the current Infinity "theme" I have going on asking about what happened between myself and GW as a company.
If I weren't a well-known GW "fanboy", it would have been no big deal. As it stands--it was something someone actually considered important enough to see if there was a story behind it.
(There's really not. I like the Dasyu Sniper model and decided I'd go with an ALEPH "theme" for a bit, before anyone asks. )
Looks like we have covered the bases on this one, thanks for the discourse. I guess I have a slightly more optimistic view on the subject of employee/management relations, but you've definitely had some lousy experiences on that front which are definitely just as valid and clearly sucked in a big way.
Skriker
It was a pleasure having a reasonable discussion with you!
Kanluwen wrote:
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
Kanluwen wrote:
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
Unless you're playing Flames of War.
True, but I did specify "Hitler IG"...although I guess I should have been more specific with my following post!
Doing Nazi/Hitler themed armies for Warhammer 40,000 OR Warhammer Fantasy is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
In historicals based around WWII, it is a fact which cannot be avoided that the SS did in fact exist and serve as soldiers during the war.
Its hard to understand when there cant really be an expression of tone, but I do believe you were in your right. I have no problems with bronies, In fact two of my brothers are bronies and although it can annoy me to no end, I don't hate it or them.
However you've got to remember that bronieism is pretty obscure, and to be ready for the ire and insults you will draw.
Kanluwen wrote:
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
Unless you're playing Flames of War.
True, but I did specify "Hitler IG"...although I guess I should have been more specific with my following post!
Doing Nazi/Hitler themed armies for Warhammer 40,000 OR Warhammer Fantasy is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
In historicals based around WWII, it is a fact which cannot be avoided that the SS did in fact exist and serve as soldiers during the war.
Oh I agree entirely, I was just having a little fun.
Deployed or not your friend is still acting like a witch. I've been deployed 6 times throughout my military career with numerous stations overseas and in the middle east. They have classes for things like PTSD so that the alternatives available aren't just douchebaggery or climbing up a bell tower. A prick is a prick and thats what your pal is doing. Suggest he seek some attention before he realizes that being an asshat isnt enough and he climbs the tower anyways or starts stabbing dogs or hurting his family. But don't encourage that gak. Makes you as bad or worse, since you dont have the same stressers he had.
I have multiple friends that were in Desert Storm. I also have a couple uncles that were in Vietnam. They don't go around acting like jerks for their own amusement. In fact, there's a lot of soldiers that experience terrible things and don't "blow off steam on others or start shooting people". People like that are just sick, and it has nothing to do with being in the military. And I see no reason why people should defend that type of jerk.
War affects a lot of people in a lot of different ways.
He is a good guy once you get to know him, he just has a very low threshold for stupid.
I've seen a Geth based Necron army, it was awesome.
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
Seems news to me, I've seen it plenty, as well as praised within quite a few circles of 40k, both on here and else wise. Someone had even stylized Hitler as the HQ with a Dr. Josef Mengele Medic.
To me I'm pretty acceptable with most armies personally, though anything with outright slurs or glued on penises..(Why do people sell tiny little things of these?) Basically, nothing to outright profane.
Deployed or not your friend is still acting like a witch. I've been deployed 6 times throughout my military career with numerous stations overseas and in the middle east. They have classes for things like PTSD so that the alternatives available aren't just douchebaggery or climbing up a bell tower. A prick is a prick and thats what your pal is doing. Suggest he seek some attention before he realizes that being an asshat isnt enough and he climbs the tower anyways or starts stabbing dogs or hurting his family. But don't encourage that gak. Makes you as bad or worse, since you dont have the same stressers he had.
I have multiple friends that were in Desert Storm. I also have a couple uncles that were in Vietnam. They don't go around acting like jerks for their own amusement. In fact, there's a lot of soldiers that experience terrible things and don't "blow off steam on others or start shooting people". People like that are just sick, and it has nothing to do with being in the military. And I see no reason why people should defend that type of jerk.
War affects a lot of people in a lot of different ways.
He is a good guy once you get to know him, he just has a very low threshold for stupid.
Problem is no one is really going to take the time to get to know him if he is busy being a dick to everyone.
Putting down someone's paint job just to see them get hurt at angry is serious anti-social behaviour.
How was the guy showing his painting to people being stupid and therefore open to abuse.
Sound like your friend has low self esteem and has a need to put others down to feel better about himself.
That said, it's also worth noting that "Hitler IG" is pretty much never considered acceptable. Doing an SS themed army is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
Seems news to me, I've seen it plenty, as well as praised within quite a few circles of 40k, both on here and else wise. Someone had even stylized Hitler as the HQ with a Dr. Josef Mengele Medic.
Post where you've seen it.
No, really. Do it. I've seen the majority of these threads (and posted in them as well) and it almost always ends up locked when it becomes blatantly obvious that the OP doesn't want to do anything than get a rise out of the people presenting her/him with an argument as why not to do it.
You might be confusing, however, the armies which have been done using camouflage/color schemes based upon the colors of the Wehrmacht and SS.
There is a huge difference between using the colors of a terrible event within history and using their actual insignias.
Necro wrote:Problem is no one is really going to take the time to get to know him if he is busy being a dick to everyone.
He is not a dick to everyone, just people who he deems worthy of ridicule, like people who are not smart/religious people/people who believe in ghosts.
Necro wrote:Putting down someone's paint job just to see them get hurt at angry is serious anti-social behaviour.
How was the guy showing his painting to people being stupid and therefore open to abuse.
The guy with the Xmas eldar he was ripping on the Theme, not the actual paint job. He thought the paint job was good, but the theme was terribad.
Necro wrote:Sound like your friend has low self esteem and has a need to put others down to feel better about himself.
There is critique and then there is just rude.
I have not noticed any low self esteem. his is about average.
He gets a laugh because of stupid people, I guess a lot of people do.
You might be confusing, however, the armies which have been done using camouflage/color schemes based upon the colors of the Wehrmacht and SS.
There is a huge difference between using the colors of a terrible event within history and using their actual insignias.
Potentially, most of the ones I've seen use the Iron Cross rather than the now tarnished Buddhist symbol.
There was one army I've seen A long while back that had someone actually done up the Hitler model. Which if I can find again I'll send it to you (or post it here). It certainly wasn't praised though.
Though there was a few arguments over the coloration before, though I think it was due to the Iron cross that people objected.
Kanluwen wrote:40,000 OR Warhammer Fantasy is considered in bad taste and just plain dumb.
In historicals based around WWII, it is a fact which cannot be avoided that the SS did in fact exist and serve as soldiers during the war.
World War II gaming definitely gets really boring if no one will play "the bad guys"...of course there are still arguements about them over in the FoW/Historical forum on Dakka about people who play an SS force and have the "audacity" to put the unit marking of the panzer division they play on their army bag and how they are really horrible people because of it.
Indeed it was poor spelling, I'll claim to be damaged by online-games. Still my point stands, if we would, right from the start presume the OP's viewpoint to be faulty then the whole basis of this thread and any argument is instantly negated. So if that is indeed your way of looking at things there is rather nothing you can say or add that would make any difference Kanluwen. If to argue for or not what assumed offender said would be justified then we must do so from the viewpoint that the OP is correct in what he himself felt when said conversation occurred.
Alexzandvar wrote:The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".
Wait, so you actually do watch the show? That's pretty sad, but to each his own, I guess.
Anyway, from the description of your IG and the example of the Marine above, I don't really see anything wrong with your color schemes. The symbols could be from any number of things, and someone would actually have to watch the show to catch the reference.
As an aside, however, dropping 4 Baneblades and a bunch of manticores against infantry swarms doesn't make you any sort of tactical genius. Apocalypse is a stupid game.
Alexzandvar wrote:The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".
Wait, so you actually do watch the show? That's pretty sad, but to each his own, I guess.
What would be the point of doing anything themed on the show if you weren't a fan of it? Would kind of defeat the purpose.
Alexzandvar wrote:The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's". He does not say anything after this and I decided to go with it and crush his pathetic army with my "Fa-word Army".
Wait, so you actually do watch the show? That's pretty sad, but to each his own, I guess.
Anyway, from the description of your IG and the example of the Marine above, I don't really see anything wrong with your color schemes. The symbols could be from any number of things, and someone would actually have to watch the show to catch the reference.
As an aside, however, dropping 4 Baneblades and a bunch of manticores against infantry swarms doesn't make you any sort of tactical genius. Apocalypse is a stupid game.
Sad? Why? I have a harder time explaining hour of painting toy soldiers than watching a cartoon... and I'm in my country's army.
Dark wrote:
Sad? Why? I have a harder time explaining hour of painting toy soldiers than watching a cartoon... and I'm in my country's army.
Argentina is renowned for being the centre of the world when it comes to Polo (and rightly so). So your country might be a bit biased towards any show involving equines in the first place.
Dark wrote:Sad? Why? I have a harder time explaining hour of painting toy soldiers than watching a cartoon... and I'm in my country's army.
Really? A soldier has a harder time explaining why he plays with toy soldiers than watching a cartoon about magical gay ponies? Your country's military must be fearsome indeed.
Dark wrote:Sad? Why? I have a harder time explaining hour of painting toy soldiers than watching a cartoon... and I'm in my country's army.
Really? A soldier has a harder time explaining why he plays with toy soldiers than watching a cartoon about magical gay ponies? Your country's military must be fearsome indeed.
I must admit, like every one, there was a time when I was unsure about myself and my interests... then I got out of puberty
On a side note...Most people don't like MLP. Myself, included (god i hate you people) and it would wear one me. There are just some things you should hide if you want to play wargames with people.
I often hide my homosexuality in game stores because it can make people uncomfortable, at first anyways.
the point is people go there to play games. not talk about MLP or other hobbies not gamestore related.
Red_Lives wrote:On a side note...Most people don't like MLP. Myself, included (god i hate you people) and it would wear one me. There are just some things you should hide if you want to play wargames with people.
I often hide my homosexuality in game stores because it can make people uncomfortable, at first anyways.
the point is people go there to play games. not talk about MLP or other hobbies not gamestore related.
Now this is actually sad. You shouldn't need to hide who you are. As for mlp, I might crack a joke with someone who I know it enjoys it... if you ask if I watch it (because of a pin in my bag, which I don't just use for gaming) I'll be honest, and I'd expect some politeness (same as I don't like manga nor anime, but I don't mind lads with t-shirts and assorted stuff around me).
I admit drawing some of the WH40K themed avatars you see in some users, but Hel, everything is good to practice with the tablet.
In the end, I find it ok to not like what someone like, it's ok to think it's stupid, in wargaming you can even choose to not play with that person, I'm just against being rude or offensive about it, not all have a thick skin that puts a TDA to shame, and we must respect that and be careful.
Red_Lives wrote:On a side note...Most people don't like MLP. Myself, included (god i hate you people) and it would wear one me. There are just some things you should hide if you want to play wargames with people.
I often hide my homosexuality in game stores because it can make people uncomfortable, at first anyways.
the point is people go there to play games. not talk about MLP or other hobbies not gamestore related.
What problem does MLP bring to the table as long as they focus on a game when it is being played? They can scream "Ponies forever!!" every time a unit charges and I wouldn't care as long as when playing the focus is on the game. I might raise my eyebrows to an adult being so into MLP, but I do play games with toy soldiers regularly, so glass houses and all that. I also like many cartoons too. Can't fault them for their likes.
IMNSHO, going to the game store is a social experience centered around gaming. That means that while we are all their to play games, we are also there as friends to socialize, so just about any topic of conversation can come up, even MLP if someone is into it. I may not dig it myself, but tht doesn't give me the right to be rude or obnoxious to those who do like it.
As for you hiding your homosexuality in game stores, that is up to you. Gaming stores aren't exactly a place where people should be waving around their sexuality anyway, gay or straight, so I don't see specifically hiding it to be a necessity. Of course I am one of those rare people who someone could tell me they prefer to have sex with goats and I'd still ask them if they fancied a game or not. It just doesn't matter to me how other people get their jollies as long as it is between consenting adults. My previous FLGS was owned by a guy that many of us suspected was gay and he eventually did come out publically as gay. Didn't impact the store at all or the vibe in the store. My current FLGS is run by a friend I've known long enough and well enough to know was a cross dresser in the past. Again doesn't bother me in the least and doesn't impact the store at all given that many people who frequent in the store are just as aware of that fact.
The only reason to get overly upset about someone's MLP army is complete and total personal insecurity. I wouldn't do such an army myself, but I'm not afraid of liking it if someone else has done a good job with their theme. They bought the minis. They play the army. They need to paint those colors. Who am I to dismiss their efforts and interests because I don't share them specifically?
Red_Lives wrote:On a side note...Most people don't like MLP. Myself, included (god i hate you people) and it would wear one me. There are just some things you should hide if you want to play wargames with people.
I often hide my homosexuality in game stores because it can make people uncomfortable, at first anyways.
the point is people go there to play games. not talk about MLP or other hobbies not gamestore related.
I find this insulting. I have autism but I would never hide it in any situation. It's part of what makes me who I am and there is no reason to hide who you are, especially not in a situation where you're interacting with friends and potential future friends. So for you to hide your homosexuality makes me sad because there's no reason to hide it, I mean you're hardly going to walk around saying "look at me I'm gay" now are you? And even if you were so what? Hiding something like your sexuality means not being yourself and you should always be yourself (unless you're acting).
And the same goes for interests. Unless it's a guilty pleasure why shouldn't you be able to bring up another franchise you like? Plus OP's situation includes his GW hobby so it IS related. Plus what about if you're hanging out with friends that are fans of both GW and the other franchise you discuss? There's nothing wrong with talking about that other franchise while you're there.
OP painted an army based on a character from MLP:FIM and the influence was minor and done because they thought it would work well as a combo. There is nothing wrong with that at all. Why shouldn't your interests reflect on how you build your army? Putting your own touch on an army/model is most of the fun of these games.
I'm confused though.. What does he mean with hiding his homosexuality? Never have I witnessed a situation where someone entering a store would need to answer questions revolving his sexual preference.
Deployed or not your friend is still acting like a witch. I've been deployed 6 times throughout my military career with numerous stations overseas and in the middle east. They have classes for things like PTSD so that the alternatives available aren't just douchebaggery or climbing up a bell tower. A prick is a prick and thats what your pal is doing. Suggest he seek some attention before he realizes that being an asshat isnt enough and he climbs the tower anyways or starts stabbing dogs or hurting his family. But don't encourage that gak. Makes you as bad or worse, since you dont have the same stressers he had.
Indeed, I'm getting sick and tired of these passive aggressive military types both on the Internet and IRL. "I wuz in the armee. HURR!" is not a trump card that makes you able to win any argument or act like a jeb-end, and that is what that guy is doing. He hiding behind the fact of his military background thinking no-one will argue with him as a result and Deathreaper is enabling him.
I'm aware that not all military types are like this (my best friend is currently serving in Afghanistan), just a certain vocal minority that ruin it for the rest of them.
One of the game stores I used to frequent had a large sign on the door that read
" leave your religion, politics, and personal problems at the door"
I think it's there because people are there to play games, not argue over controversial topics.
Grown men with MLP themed armies could be considered controversial in a store of adult men as its a show for little girls.
I don't buy the BS that MLP is written to cater to "bronies"
For YEARS cartoon developers have been making shows that small kids enjoy, but that parents can watch with them without yanking their hair out. (thinks of barney and tuggs at hair)
Just because there is humor that goes over kids heads does not change the fact that MLP is for girls.
If you have a MLP themed army, you should expect that there will be people who think its awkward or creepy.
You can either get tougher skin, play somewhere else, or stop telling people that your army is MLP themed, because as normal as it is to YOU, it's taboo to MOST men.
BarBoBot wrote:
Grown men with MLP themed armies could be considered controversial in a store of adult men as its a show for little girls.
You can either get tougher skin, play somewhere else, or stop telling people that your army is MLP themed, because as normal as it is to YOU, it's taboo to MOST men.
QFT.
I personally agree with John Cheese of Cracked.com on the subject:
"...It's for this reason that I refuse to enter the meta world of the My Little Pony fans. I see that entire culture as an endlessly repeated joke about, "I'm a 25-year-old man, and I watch My Little Pony. Can you believe that, guys? I'm crazy!" It may be more than that; those people may actually be watching the show because it's brilliant and cutting edge. I'll never know because the ironic humor phenomenon is so irritating to me that I avoid it altogether. It's like the Old Navy chain basing their entire image around the idea of, "Look how ridiculously awful this commercial is! Tell your friends so you can all laugh at how dorky we are!"
You can either get tougher skin, play somewhere else, or stop telling people that your army is MLP themed, because as normal as it is to YOU, it's taboo to MOST men.
So is playing with plastic toy soldiers in a game designed for 12 year olds. Most men don't do that, either, but here we are. Real men are comfortable with who they are and what they like, and don't give a gak what other people think of it.
You know, Pretre, I often find we don't agree on subjects. But this is definitely one of those rare opportunities where I can tell you I wholeheartedly agree.
There's a perception that the OP's interests should be protected from ridicule.
Why? Because it was an employee involved?
The poster has made it clear in another thread that quite a few people ridicule him for his interest in MLP.
Speaking from experience: People don't just out of the blue start ridiculing you for your interests. You have to advertise those interests for people to start ridiculing them.
I know this is a very much "Blame the victim!" approach, but it's an approach which has not failed me to date. If I go around talking about an interest that will get me ridiculed for whatever reason and then I get ridiculed--should I really be able to complain about that ridicule in a manner which is aimed solely at justifying my own retaliatory actions against the person ridiculing me?
Kanluwen wrote:I think that's a bit oversimplifying it, really.
There's a perception that the OP's interests should be protected from ridicule.
Why? Because it was an employee involved?
The poster has made it clear in another thread that quite a few people ridicule him for his interest in MLP.
Speaking from experience: People don't just out of the blue start ridiculing you for your interests. You have to advertise those interests for people to start ridiculing them.
I know this is a very much "Blame the victim!" approach, but it's an approach which has not failed me to date. If I go around talking about an interest that will get me ridiculed for whatever reason and then I get ridiculed--should I really be able to complain about that ridicule in a manner which is aimed solely at justifying my own retaliatory actions against the person ridiculing me?
Hm.
Well, at my brother's birthday party, one of his friends who knows I'm a furry told one of his other friends who didn't know I'm a furry, plus a room full of my brother's friends, that I'm a furry. The conversation had steered to furries, and I had stayed silent, until I was asked for confirmation. I simply replied in the affirmative, at which point he said he had to get something out of his system, and after that he''d be done, and then proceeded to say loudly - but not quite yell, "Yiff in Hell!" And then the conversation moved on.
I didn't bring furries up, I didn't offer my opinion when it was brought up, I didn't speak at length about it, or at all. I simply confirmed the truth with one word.
You can either get tougher skin, play somewhere else, or stop telling people that your army is MLP themed, because as normal as it is to YOU, it's taboo to MOST men.
So is playing with plastic toy soldiers in a game designed for 12 year olds. Most men don't do that, either, but here we are. Real men are comfortable with who they are and what they like, and don't give a gak what other people think of it.
Your logic fails.
The OP was at a store SPECIFICALLY there for playing games with toy soldiers....not the monthly bronies meet-up.
If you walk into a GW, you know your walking into a war-game friendly environment.
You should not expect that your fondness for MLP is going to get the same acceptance in a GW as war games do....
Regardless.... The OP has every right to theme his army around MLP, just as I have every right to think its awkward and a bit creepy.
Furries aren't nearly as bad as Bronies. Imo. Though I have no shame rustling one's jimmies.
In my younger years and I had blind, zealous hatred of them. This is all /B/'s fault. As I wasn't even fully aware of what they were. But because my peer's said it was okay to mess with them. I went along with it. Much -much- later. In 2010 I found out that one of my regular friends at the shop was a furry, but for being the longest time afraid to tell me. Quite honestly I took it pretty well. And other then the fact he wears a hoodie with these fox ears on it that looks -incredibly- fruity I have the utmost respect for him!
Egyptians were the first furries. And I think if you study the mannerisms of my people's berserkers. They may of actually thought they were fething bears.
In my defence though. You'd mess with a guy in a fursuit. You would'nt fething mess with a grizzly bear.
And even then. I'm becoming more and more desensitized to it. It's the in your face bronies that need to an hero. The ones who keep to their threads, themselves are fine. But Thor protect your soul if you try talking to me about it.
BarBoBot wrote:I don't buy the BS that MLP is written to cater to "bronies"
For YEARS cartoon developers have been making shows that small kids enjoy, but that parents can watch with them without yanking their hair out. (thinks of barney and tuggs at hair)
Just because there is humor that goes over kids heads does not change the fact that MLP is for girls.
Actually parts of the second season were written with bronies in mind, the writers have even said so themselves. Derpy (a background pony named by fans for her wall eyes) for example is pretty much the Brony mascot and she's made a cameo in almost every episode of season two, has had a few short scenes where she was the center of attention and even spoke in one episode where she got called Derpy. Yes the show's target audience is little girls but the writers are aware of the larger audience and while most of the writing is aimed at the target audience there are moments aimed at the bronies. Heck we even got a shout out in one of the adverts.
Dark wrote:Now this is actually sad. You shouldn't need to hide who you are. As for mlp, I might crack a joke with someone who I know it enjoys it... if you ask if I watch it (because of a pin in my bag, which I don't just use for gaming) I'll be honest, and I'd expect some politeness (same as I don't like manga nor anime, but I don't mind lads with t-shirts and assorted stuff around me).
I admit drawing some of the WH40K themed avatars you see in some users, but Hel, everything is good to practice with the tablet.
In the end, I find it ok to not like what someone like, it's ok to think it's stupid, in wargaming you can even choose to not play with that person, I'm just against being rude or offensive about it, not all have a thick skin that puts a TDA to shame, and we must respect that and be careful.
Edit because somehow I screwed the color tag xD
I don't think anyone should be flaunting their sexual preference, whatever it may be (in your case it seems to be furry), in a game store.
It's almost as obnoxious as using color tags on your text in some misguided attempt to be special. What are you, 12?
Dark wrote:Now this is actually sad. You shouldn't need to hide who you are. As for mlp, I might crack a joke with someone who I know it enjoys it... if you ask if I watch it (because of a pin in my bag, which I don't just use for gaming) I'll be honest, and I'd expect some politeness (same as I don't like manga nor anime, but I don't mind lads with t-shirts and assorted stuff around me).
I admit drawing some of the WH40K themed avatars you see in some users, but Hel, everything is good to practice with the tablet.
In the end, I find it ok to not like what someone like, it's ok to think it's stupid, in wargaming you can even choose to not play with that person, I'm just against being rude or offensive about it, not all have a thick skin that puts a TDA to shame, and we must respect that and be careful.
Edit because somehow I screwed the color tag xD
I don't think anyone should be flaunting their sexual preference, whatever it may be (in your case it seems to be furry), in a game store.
It's almost as obnoxious as using color tags on your text in some misguided attempt to be special. What are you, 12?
yeah beacuse they let 12 year olds into the armed forces
and no you shouldn't go around flaunting it but nor should you hide it
DPBellathrom wrote:yeah beacuse they let 12 year olds into the armed forces
Apparently, their armed forces are indeed made up of 12-year-old girls, since explaining a hobby of toy soldiers is more difficult than MLP.
maybe they can get their heads round the concept of enjoying a TV show but not the idea of dedicating hours of time into painting and playing with small toy soldiers
Omegus wrote:You keep glossing over what the show is about. It's not just a TV show, it's a cartoon about magical ponies targetted at little girls.
And come on, if we're honest, it seems like 90% of people barely assemble their crap, much less paint it.
huh really, because I was pretty sure that I heard the creator of the show saying it was designed with all age groups in mind
yeah…..no one bothers building their models these days. Me and my mates just use bases with post it notes stuck to them just like every other gamer at my LGS -_-
They may make ironic references to bronies, but come on... it's about magical ponies with a huge product line that seems to revolve around brushing their hair. Keep deluding yourself.
Omegus wrote:They may make ironic references to bronies, but come on... it's about magical ponies with a huge product line that seems to revolve around brushing their hair. Keep deluding yourself.
oh so you've seen the new show and can thus formulate a valid opinion on the matter? I ask seeing as you seem to have nailed the plot
also, I would hardly call the references ironic considering that the design team works closely with the brony community and there have even been pony toys released with their brony dubbed names.
And their product line? I wouldn’t call it huge….or even big……or well done. Hasbro did a really bad job :3
ZebioLizard2 wrote:Basically at this point, it's basically just arguing over what other people like.
I don't care either way honestly, haters gonna hate, people gonna enjoy what they enjoy.
This is good to go by.
But people have to understand that certain interests and hobbies may not be appreciated by everyone- and they will get picked on. Should it happen? Not at all. But its going to. So you need to have a little bit thicker of skin and just be ignore what you can.
So no OP. You were not justified. You know the concequences of choosing to flaunt your My Little Pony love, and you should be ready to accept the hate and ridicule that you are going to get. Be a bigger person and get over the fact that people don't appreciate what you like.
It's not the responsibility of everyone else to accept everything you like. It's your responsibility to not let getting picked on effect you to the extent that it did.
If you meet these guys again, give them hell.
