I think Hulk works best as a supporting character. The Hulk is one of my least favorite Marvel characters ever, but I loved him in the Avengers. I would definitely like to see him in an Avengers 2 or something like that, and I'm tentatively interested in seeing the Edward Norton Hulk film, but there are a lot of other superhero films I'd rather see made than another Incredible Hulk movie.
Nortan has refused. There is no new hulk in the pipeline and I don't think Ruffallo has that in his avengers contract. I would adore another hulk, but he's my favorite superhero. All in all the avengers movie has been good to me. An amazing showing by my favorite hero and the big end reveal was my favorite character period.
Actually Shummy Ruffallo is signed for six films (of which one if not two would obviously be other Avenger films). They said no more Hulk before The Avengers came out, and I think they've been taken by surprise at just how positive the reaction to Ruffallo's Banner and The Hulk have been, so much so that they're rethinking their earlier statements.
Still, I stand by what I said. I think less is more, and I think Hulk's success in this film is only because he is part of this film rather than a whole film in and of himself. Plus Hulk's problems are a bit like Iron Man's problems - the bad guys will always be huge giant guys that can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk just like Iron Man's bad guys all end up being dudes in a suit of armour. He's already fought A-Bomb. What's next? Red Hulk? Absorbing Man? That Zaaxxx thing* (or however you spell it)? It will get old quickly. That's why I want Mandarin for the next Iron Man. He needn't be a racist stereotype and he's not just another guy in a suit of armour.
*They kinda already did that in the Ang Lee film, but no one cares about that film.
Planet Hulk would be great and could lead on to an avengers movie quite well. I mean, I know its very similar to John Carter and we just had a movie from disney about that but still...
Also, if hes able to team up with the avengers that suggests going for a 'smart hulk' rather than the mindless monster.
I was hoping they would follow up with the 'Leader' story they set up in Incredible Hulk at least. If they want to turn General Ross and Betty into the Red Hulks as well, who would I be to say no.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I was hoping they would follow up with the 'Leader' story they set up in Incredible Hulk at least. If they want to turn General Ross and Betty into the Red Hulks as well, who would I be to say no.
Personally I didn't like the guy they had as the leader and I'd have real trouble taking seriously as a villain.
General Ross as Red Hulk maybe. That was kinda okay. Betty becoming Red-She-Hulk I can't see working on screen.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Actually Shummy Ruffallo is signed for six films (of which one if not two would obviously be other Avenger films). They said no more Hulk before The Avengers came out, and I think they've been taken by surprise at just how positive the reaction to Ruffallo's Banner and The Hulk have been, so much so that they're rethinking their earlier statements.
Still, I stand by what I said. I think less is more, and I think Hulk's success in this film is only because he is part of this film rather than a whole film in and of himself. Plus Hulk's problems are a bit like Iron Man's problems - the bad guys will always be huge giant guys that can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk just like Iron Man's bad guys all end up being dudes in a suit of armour. He's already fought A-Bomb. What's next? Red Hulk? Absorbing Man? That Zaaxxx thing* (or however you spell it)? It will get old quickly. That's why I want Mandarin for the next Iron Man. He needn't be a racist stereotype and he's not just another guy in a suit of armour.
*They kinda already did that in the Ang Lee film, but no one cares about that film.
The hulk has a good staple of movie capable villains, but they're kinda out there. Nightmare would work well, as would the leader. I'll agree though that the Hulk is one of the harder characters to write a movie capable story around. He's too strong and his primary enemy is himself or the controlling force of humanity rather than anyone that can really give him a good fight. It's part of why he works so well in other characters storylines or in major events. He's a force as much as he's a personality. He's got the same issues as superman in film. A good hulk enemy is one that is a controller, someone who will mess with his mentality, make him chose between his own good or bad aspects and who can martial a good physical force to challenge the hulk without that force itself being the primary enemy. Loki is/was actually a very good villain for the hulk and has been used as such many times in the comics.
I get where you're coming from with the less is more mentality, I might even agree with you were I not such an obsessed fan of seeing a big green dude shout and hit things.
In The Avengers Loki was pretty petulant, I can imagine a slightly more wise/mature Loki coming back and manipulating Hulk rather than just trying to shout him down (which ended poorly for him).
Corpsesarefun wrote:In The Avengers Loki was pretty petulant, I can imagine a slightly more wise/mature Loki coming back and manipulating Hulk rather than just trying to shout him down (which ended poorly for him).
I would have loved it if at the end Odin arrived, mega-slapped Loki across the face, and dragged him by the arm back to Asgard.
Corpsesarefun wrote:In The Avengers Loki was pretty petulant, I can imagine a slightly more wise/mature Loki coming back and manipulating Hulk rather than just trying to shout him down (which ended poorly for him).
I would have loved it if at the end Odin arrived, mega-slapped Loki across the face, and dragged him by the arm back to Asgard.
Spoiler:
Whereas in the film Hulk mega-slapped Loki across his entire body and then Thor dragged him by the arm back to Asgard?
Corpsesarefun wrote:In The Avengers Loki was pretty petulant, I can imagine a slightly more wise/mature Loki coming back and manipulating Hulk rather than just trying to shout him down (which ended poorly for him).
I would have loved it if at the end Odin arrived, mega-slapped Loki across the face, and dragged him by the arm back to Asgard.
Spoiler:
Whereas in the film Hulk mega-slapped Loki across his entire body and then Thor dragged him by the arm back to Asgard?
Spoiler:
I mean in addition to Hulk battering him, and Thor kind of just teleported him away...
The hulk has a good staple of movie capable villains, but they're kinda out there. Nightmare would work well, as would the leader. I'll agree though that the Hulk is one of the harder characters to write a movie capable story around. He's too strong and his primary enemy is himself or the controlling force of humanity rather than anyone that can really give him a good fight. It's part of why he works so well in other characters storylines or in major events. He's a force as much as he's a personality. He's got the same issues as superman in film. A good hulk enemy is one that is a controller, someone who will mess with his mentality, make him chose between his own good or bad aspects and who can martial a good physical force to challenge the hulk without that force itself being the primary enemy. Loki is/was actually a very good villain for the hulk and has been used as such many times in the comics.
I get where you're coming from with the less is more mentality, I might even agree with you were I not such an obsessed fan of seeing a big green dude shout and hit things.
Yeah pretty much my exact feelings as well, I watched the whole season of the 2011 cartoon series (as I said, pick it up cos its excellent) and you can tell that the writers are always trying to come up with elaborate ways of keeping Hulk out of the way when there is a climatic battle, as you say, hes just too nails! If he is in the room, any suspense vanishes because you know he is just too awesome to lose a fight to anyone!
My favourite hero ever since I saw him hold a mountain up in the Secret Wars comics when I was 6 years old. Is this not the greatest comic book cover ever?
Before Avenger's Marvel had said there wouldn't be another solo Hulk movie, as people started seeing Avengers the story changed to a six film contract and possibly another film in 2015.
Soladrin wrote:I just want my deadpool movie... Or at least him showing up in a movie whilst being true to the comics, not that piece of gak nonsense in wolverine.
Uhg, dont remind me of that steamer. I actually had to ASK if that was "deadpool" in the movie
No. I have never seen Hulk as a serious character. I would prefer a Dr. Strange movie. That would be kickass. They have done too many solo Hulk movies.
Totalwar1402 wrote:I mean he was hilariously funny in the avengers; had the whole cinema more than once where I was at.
Just got back from seeing The Avengers and have to agree, The Hulk was pretty damn funny!
While I don't know if we want yet another attempt at re-booting a Hulk movie, that once scene was even more hilarious to me personally;
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I have a little kitten named Loki who is insanely mischevious and typically will pounce on & beat-up our older kitten, Stitch who is about twice little Loki's size... Occasionally though, Stitch will wait untill Loki isn't paying the slightest bit attention, and then pound the hell out of her!
That scene with The Hulk pounding Loki & repeatedly slaming him into the floor is so reminisent of the odd times Stitch will 'hulksmash!' poor little Loki and leave her flat on her back, wondering what the hell just hit her!
Totalwar1402 wrote:I mean he was hilariously funny in the avengers; had the whole cinema more than once where I was at.
Just got back from seeing The Avengers and have to agree, The Hulk was pretty damn funny!
While I don't know if we want yet another attempt at re-booting a Hulk movie, that once scene was even more hilarious to me personally;
Spoiler:
I have a little kitten named Loki who is insanely mischevious and typically will pounce on & beat-up our older kitten, Stitch who is about twice little Loki's size... Occasionally though, Stitch will wait untill Loki isn't paying the slightest bit attention, and then pound the hell out of her!
That scene with The Hulk pounding Loki & repeatedly slaming him into the floor is so reminisent of the odd times Stitch will 'hulksmash!' poor little Loki and leave her flat on her back, wondering what the hell just hit her!
I love that scene to death, best scene in the movie if you ask me. I was crying from laugher. XD
Soladrin wrote:I just want my deadpool movie... Or at least him showing up in a movie whilst being true to the comics, not that piece of gak nonsense in wolverine.
Uhg, dont remind me of that steamer. I actually had to ASK if that was "deadpool" in the movie
Nope, wasn't Deadpool. Hell, Ryan Reynolds didn't even play Wade Wilson (the movie lied). Wade Wilson was the exact opposite of Deadpool-cold, precise, and had no sense of humor. He didn't develop the humor, the insane fighting styles that shouldn't work or anything that Deadpool is until AFTER his cancer "treatment." So, no, Deadpool and Wade Wilson were never actually in the Wolverine movie. As one of the biggest Marvel junkies on the website, I can confirm his lack of involvement. FOX tried to lie to us (again).
Reynolds would be great for a real Deadpool though, if Marvel EVER finally decides to guarantee it-voice, sense of humor, and Reynolds' face being what you see when he uses his image inducer. Wouldn't be hard. And a scarred up Reynolds face could work too when the inducer wasn't in use.
Henners, the more you talk.....the more I dont like your posts Hulk = Pure awesomesauce.
As too Deadpool - Let me clarify, when watching the movie I said "ERm..............is that suppose to be Deadpool?" So you see, I knew it was a terrible rendition of Deadpool...if it was indeed deadpool I think it was some weird, WTF, topsy turvy world, version of Deadpool.
Totalwar1402 wrote:Planet Hulk would be great and could lead on to an avengers movie quite well. I mean, I know its very similar to John Carter and we just had a movie from Disney about that but still...
I think this would actually be a great idea. Also after seeing the end credits scene, I think Planet Hulk would fit perfectly into the series considering the direction The Avengers 2 is going in.
Henners91 wrote:He was great in the Avengers, but the character is just too one-dimensional and a one-trick pony... he can't sustain a whole film.
But he did just that in the Edward Norton movie...
Curse? If thats a curse, then Im going to walk under ladders, and open umbrellas indoors while licking a black cat....or was that a frog? Either way 13!!!!! What Im saying is, I would love that curse
I wouldn't probably hate the whole thing as much if they didn't go with pants-on-head-stupid route of having General Ross become Super Hulk aka Red Hulk and Betsy become Red She Hulk. I refer to him as Super Hulk because he is at least as powerful as Hulk, if not more so, and he retains his personality and intelligence. I almost forgot about Rick becoming Blue Abomination. It had a great build up but a huge let down and has been craptistic since.
I don't know how much there is to do with the Hulk after the first movie, but didn't he bust up an M1 Abrams and an Apache and some stuff? I can't remember.
I don't know how much there is to do with the Hulk after the first movie, but didn't he bust up an M1 Abrams and an Apache and some stuff? I can't remember.
The M1 Abrams was the 2003 Ang Lee movie. Both that and the Incredible Hulk both had helicopters, but only the latter had an Apache, but it was very short lived.
KingCracker wrote:I loved it when he kicked the gak out of those tanks. That was just awesome. Specially when he simply hurled that one a good mile away
I hated the film when I first saw it and looking back at it now I haven't changed my mind, the tanks don't even slightly deform when the hulk smashes them!
Totalwar1402 wrote:Planet Hulk would be great and could lead on to an avengers movie quite well. I mean, I know its very similar to John Carter and we just had a movie from Disney about that but still...
I think this would actually be a great idea. Also after seeing the end credits scene, I think Planet Hulk would fit perfectly into the series considering the direction The Avengers 2 is going in.
What happens at the end credits? We all left the cinema straight away. I suppose introducing the cosmic element with the Skrull was pointing toward the whole space and I remember the news castors showing misgivings about the avengers. Though personally I thought it was closer to moving onto registration and civil war. Since they have the shield carrier putting the hulk on a rocket and blasting him away makes kinda sense.
Trouble is, you need smart hulk to do Planet Hulk, though I think I saw a cartoon adaptation which was had the Hulk closer to the monster but even then and I don't think the avengers one was quite smart hulk. Yes he could be reasoned with and doesn't attack everything on sight; but he never has dialogue Plus I liked Cairea in that. BTW in the actual comic why is he constantly the Hulk without reverting to Banner unless he 'lets him out' is it just hes constantly mad about being kicked off Earth by the Avengers?
H.B.M.C. wrote:I've never seen Kick-Ass. After the guy says "Who the hell is this guy" does he also ask "Why is our security camera footage so well edited?".
Totalwar1402 wrote:What happens at the end credits? We all left the cinema straight away.
Spoiler:
The scene shows The Other, the leader of the Chitauri -- the alien race recruited by Loki in his attempt to vanquish the Earth -- talking to a mysterious figure. The Other says that they were mislead by Loki and that humans are stronger than they believed. He tells the figure, "To challenge them is to court death." The figure turns, revealing the purple face and glowing eyes of Thanos.
Totalwar1402 wrote:BTW in the actual comic why is he constantly the Hulk without reverting to Banner unless he 'lets him out' is it just hes constantly mad about being kicked off Earth by the Avengers?
Like almost any comic as old as The Hulk a lot of it depends on the time period and the writer. Hulk has gone through a lot of changes over the years. Sometimes he can control it, sometimes not. Sometimes he retains his intelligence, sometimes not. Most of the time he is green, but originally he was grey and was occasionally so off and on later. At one point he was even a Las Vegas enforcer/bouncer.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:I've never seen Kick-Ass. After the guy says "Who the hell is this guy" does he also ask "Why is our security camera footage so well edited?".
Very creative security personnel I suppose.
I always hate in movies and TV when they watch security camera footage of an event and it is just the film of the scene we just saw but in black and white, or some other mild distortion.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I've never seen Kick-Ass. After the guy says "Who the hell is this guy" does he also ask "Why is our security camera footage so well edited?".
The first time I watched it, I didnt care for it. My brothers pretty much forced me to watch it again, and I laughed my ass off. So now, I find it pretty decent
Ahtman wrote:I always hate in movies and TV when they watch security camera footage of an event and it is just the film of the scene we just saw but in black and white, or some other mild distortion.
It's really silly when security cameras footage pan and zoom in on dramatic points... or when looking through a sniper scope, and it zooms in and out. Scopes don't work that way (or most of them don't).
H.B.M.C. wrote:I've never seen Kick-Ass. After the guy says "Who the hell is this guy" does he also ask "Why is our security camera footage so well edited?".
The first time I watched it, I didnt care for it. My brothers pretty much forced me to watch it again, and I laughed my ass off. So now, I find it pretty decent
I still don't care for it, it's edgy for the sake of being edgy and has no heart or soul.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I've never seen Kick-Ass. After the guy says "Who the hell is this guy" does he also ask "Why is our security camera footage so well edited?".
The first time I watched it, I didnt care for it. My brothers pretty much forced me to watch it again, and I laughed my ass off. So now, I find it pretty decent
I still don't care for it, it's edgy for the sake of being edgy and has no heart or soul.
You should read the comic book, then. Or rather, you really shouldn't. It's just as you describe the film but more so. I hated it.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I've never seen Kick-Ass. After the guy says "Who the hell is this guy" does he also ask "Why is our security camera footage so well edited?".
It was alright.
I actually liked it, but I have to tell my friends I thought it was stupid or I might be labeled as a loser
H.B.M.C. wrote:I've never seen Kick-Ass. After the guy says "Who the hell is this guy" does he also ask "Why is our security camera footage so well edited?".
The first time I watched it, I didnt care for it. My brothers pretty much forced me to watch it again, and I laughed my ass off. So now, I find it pretty decent
I still don't care for it, it's edgy for the sake of being edgy and has no heart or soul.
You should read the comic book, then. Or rather, you really shouldn't. It's just as you describe the film but more so. I hated it.
Well, matty, given your background, I understand your love of all things green, but the hulk, jesus wept!! As Alan Moore one said (or words to the effect) it takes a great leap of faith to trust anybody that runs around with a rubber mask and cape on.
It's war films we need, not superheroes!
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Well, matty, given your background, I understand your love of all things green, but the hulk, jesus wept!! As Alan Moore one said (or words to the effect) it takes a great leap of faith to trust anybody that runs around with a rubber mask and cape on.
It's war films we need, not superheroes!
Yeah but Hulk doesn't even wear underpants, let alone a mask or a cape.
I like war films, you don't have pick one or the other.
He wears those blue jeans, though, that never seem to rip or tear!! The hulk doesn't need a belt, but with my wasteline, neither do I...:(
Anyway, my point is that there is a lack of depth and originality in films these days. Hollywood don't care about art, they'll milk the marvel cash cow for as long as they can. Once again I blame George Lucas for this. Hey, it's easy!!
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:He wears those blue jeans, though, that never seem to rip or tear!! The hulk doesn't need a belt, but with my wasteline, neither do I...:(
Anyway, my point is that there is a lack of depth and originality in films these days. Hollywood don't care about art, they'll milk the marvel cash cow for as long as they can. Once again I blame George Lucas for this. Hey, it's easy!!
When precisely were the halcyon days of yore when all movies were good and original and no one wanted to make money?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:He wears those blue jeans, though, that never seem to rip or tear!! The hulk doesn't need a belt, but with my wasteline, neither do I...:(
Anyway, my point is that there is a lack of depth and originality in films these days. Hollywood don't care about art, they'll milk the marvel cash cow for as long as they can. Once again I blame George Lucas for this. Hey, it's easy!!
When precisely were the halcyon days of yore when all movies were good and original and no one wanted to make money?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:He wears those blue jeans, though, that never seem to rip or tear!! The hulk doesn't need a belt, but with my wasteline, neither do I...:(
Anyway, my point is that there is a lack of depth and originality in films these days. Hollywood don't care about art, they'll milk the marvel cash cow for as long as they can. Once again I blame George Lucas for this. Hey, it's easy!!
When precisely were the halcyon days of yore when all movies were good and original and no one wanted to make money?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:\ Hollywood don't care about art, they'll milk the marvel cash cow for as long as they can.
I've liked almost all the Marvel Movies (Except the new Ghost Rider and the 2003 hulk). Me and the Old Man have gone to the Midnight Showing of every marvel flick since....I think the First X-men, and as long as they keep that kind of Track record (IE two bad Movies out of like....What 20?), I know the two of us will keep on going.
It might not be Art, But as long as it's Entertaining, It's all good.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:He wears those blue jeans, though, that never seem to rip or tear!! The hulk doesn't need a belt, but with my wasteline, neither do I...:(
Anyway, my point is that there is a lack of depth and originality in films these days. Hollywood don't care about art, they'll milk the marvel cash cow for as long as they can. Once again I blame George Lucas for this. Hey, it's easy!!
When precisely were the halcyon days of yore when all movies were good and original and no one wanted to make money?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:\ Hollywood don't care about art, they'll milk the marvel cash cow for as long as they can.
I've liked almost all the Marvel Movies (Except the new Ghost Rider and the 2003 hulk). Me and the Old Man have gone to the Midnight Showing of every marvel flick since....I think the First X-men, and as long as they keep that kind of Track record (IE two bad Movies out of like....What 20?), I know the two of us will keep on going.
It might not be Art, But as long as it's Entertaining, It's all good.
Elektra was pretty good, i did like the Captain America Movie. Like I said, the only Movie (Other than 2003 hulk which should be Universally hated by all) Was the 2012 Ghost Rider, because the Story was stupid and it almost seemed like an Excuse to just Scare the gak out of Children (no Joke, I saw about 30 or so kids under the age of about 8 in the Theater that night in Ghost Rider with their Parents and I would be willing to put money down that they haven't slept since then).
The 2003 Hulk was better then the 2009 Hulk. The 2009 was serviceable, but fairly pedestrian. The 2003 version was very flawed but also insanely ambitious for a comic book movie and I'll take failed ambition over successful mediocrity anytime.
Ahtman wrote:The 2003 Hulk was better then the 2009 Hulk. The 2009 was serviceable, but fairly pedestrian. The 2003 version was very flawed but also insanely ambitious for a comic book movie and I'll take failed ambition over successful mediocrity anytime.
Ahtman wrote:The 2003 Hulk was better then the 2009 Hulk. The 2009 was serviceable, but fairly pedestrian. The 2003 version was very flawed but also insanely ambitious for a comic book movie and I'll take failed ambition over successful mediocrity anytime.
Agreed. The best way I can put it is that the 2003 film at least tried to be something. Hulk 2009 just checked a series of boxes and called it a day.
Thor tried a little harder than Hulk 2009, but IMO it ended up in a similar place -- a decent enough adaptation of the material, but not really a strong movie on its own. Cap was a stronger film than Thor, but still not all it could have been IMO.
Avengers is a little like that too. It's not a great film, but the director and co. did a great job just pulling it all off into something fun and coherent.
Hated the 2003 film. Hulk was an angst-monster, and in situations which Hulk Smash should have been applied liberally and with great success, Banner goes all zen in order to not Hulk Out. I sure don't go to Hulk movies to see Hulk not Hulk Out.
Bottom line, the big problem was that Ang Lee tried to make Bruce Banner: the Movie, not a movie about Hulk. Banner is the alter-ego, not Hulk.
sourclams wrote:Hated the 2003 film. Hulk was an angst-monster, and in situations which Hulk Smash should have been applied liberally and with great success, Banner goes all zen in order to not Hulk Out. I sure don't go to Hulk movies to see Hulk not Hulk Out.
Bottom line, the big problem was that Ang Lee tried to make Bruce Banner: the Movie, not a movie about Hulk. Banner is the alter-ego, not Hulk.
It's Bruce's inner rage that drives the Hulk though, right? Bottomless, enormous rage has to come from somewhere other than the gamma rays. By exploring Bruce you start to understand what makes the Hulk tick. The notion that Bruce was psychologically damaged by an abusive father was explored in the comics a few decades ago, and Lee tapped that material for his film. That film was fundamentally flawed, but at least it tried.
The 2009 film was more or less a scaled-up version of the Bill Bixby show, cardboard characters and all, just without the soft piano music at the end. I'm surprised they didn't change his name to David.
gorgon wrote:It's Bruce's inner rage that drives the Hulk though, right? Bottomless, enormous rage has to come from somewhere other than the gamma rays. By exploring Bruce you start to understand what makes the Hulk tick. The notion that Bruce was psychologically damaged by an abusive father was explored in the comics a few decades ago, and Lee tapped that material for his film. That film was fundamentally flawed, but at least it tried.
The 2009 film was more or less a scaled-up version of the Bill Bixby show, cardboard characters and all, just without the soft piano music at the end. I'm surprised they didn't change his name to David.
Yes and no, bruce banner as a character is defined by repression, denial, and fear. He's a brave man, but in the best storylines he's gripping with the reality that he is also the hulk and that the hulk is a reflection of him. Ang Lees bruce banner was an addict who's greatest source of angst in the film was the fear that he liked being the hulk. It's a dramatic about face from the concept that Bruce Banner is tortured by his dual identity. It was fundamentally wrong. Rufalos Banner was much more accurate. He's a man who has hit bottom and bounced back without giving in. He's much more of a heroic character and a much more fitting comic book film character.
I can credit Ang Lee for being adventurous and very clever with his visual design and framing, but he made a bad movie. Bruce banner was wrong and the hulk fought giant green poodles for like 20 minutes and ended up boxing a cloud in the end. It was stupid.
Well at the end of the Avengers Tony Stark drives off with Bruce Banner, so I reckon the Hulk may make an appearance in Iron man 3 which is rumoured to be in the making.
The scene shows The Other, the leader of the Chitauri -- the alien race recruited by Loki in his attempt to vanquish the Earth -- talking to a mysterious figure. The Other says that they were mislead by Loki and that humans are stronger than they believed. He tells the figure, "To challenge them is to court death." The figure turns, revealing the purple face and glowing eyes of Thanos.
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I assume, probably stating the obvious, that the Chitauri are the Skrull? Chins a dead give away.
The scene shows The Other, the leader of the Chitauri -- the alien race recruited by Loki in his attempt to vanquish the Earth -- talking to a mysterious figure. The Other says that they were mislead by Loki and that humans are stronger than they believed. He tells the figure, "To challenge them is to court death." The figure turns, revealing the purple face and glowing eyes of Thanos.
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I assume, probably stating the obvious, that the Chitauri are the Skrull? Chins a dead give away.
Spoiler:
Chitauri are the skrull of the Ultimate Universe(1610).
Im with Frazz, thats a bit too similar to the Juggernaut. Side note, I love the Juggernaut as well (not the Xmen movie Juggernaut mind, good god that was just soooo shity)
I thought the Hulk was the best character in the film, along with Robert Downey Jr.
On the other hand, the build-up and scene about how he controlled his anger was pretty awful.
"How do you control yourself?" (asked about 6 times over the course of the movie)
Finally: "I'm angry all of the time".
....
Well, why aren't you the hulk all of the time then? That makes absolutely no sense at all!
Pacific wrote:I thought the Hulk was the best character in the film, along with Robert Downey Jr.
On the other hand, the build-up and scene about how he controlled his anger was pretty awful.
"How do you control yourself?" (asked about 6 times over the course of the movie)
Finally: "I'm angry all of the time".
....
Well, why aren't you the hulk all of the time then? That makes absolutely no sense at all!
It kinda does. At the End of the 209 movie, He was trying to learn to control his transformations. So It could be that he can (somewhat) control the Hulk.
Add me to the "2003 Hulk is better" movie list. Ang Lee actually gave the movie some passion. Part 2 was good as well but was less sophisticated, which in my mind was unfortunate.
2012 Ghost rider was terrible, I almost walked out on it. Liked the first Ghost rider.
Iur_tae_mont wrote:It kinda does. At the End of the 209 movie, He was trying to learn to control his transformations. So It could be that he can (somewhat) control the Hulk.
But that scene was just Awesome.
That makes some sense. They said in Avengers it had been quite some time (can't recall offhand the exact amount) since he had changed. The first time in the movie he changes is when he is injured from falling, not from anger or any choice of his own. Banner had stated earlier in his talk with Black Widow that The Hulk responds to injuries, like trying to shoot yourself in the head.
As for why he isn't the Hulk all the time, well the Hulk is unpredictable and just as likely to attack the Avengers as he is to support them.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:The hulk has got to be one of the worst superheroes there is! Get a grip people!
I see King Cracker coming after you in your sleep for such a comment...sleep with the lights on, a bazooka next to you, and you might stand a fraction of a chance.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:The hulk has got to be one of the worst superheroes there is! Get a grip people!
I see King Cracker coming after you in your sleep for such a comment...sleep with the lights on, a bazooka next to you, and you might stand a fraction of a chance.
I threw a car into the sky. It should get to him soon.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:The hulk has got to be one of the worst superheroes there is! Get a grip people!
I see King Cracker coming after you in your sleep for such a comment...sleep with the lights on, a bazooka next to you, and you might stand a fraction of a chance.
Iur_tae_mont wrote:It kinda does. At the End of the 209 movie, He was trying to learn to control his transformations. So It could be that he can (somewhat) control the Hulk.
That kinda has to be the case in order to explain why the Hulk was an unfocused, mindless monster earlier in the film, but a focused monster in the final battle. I guess the idea was that he can control it when he Hulks out on his own terms? Personally I thought that was a minor hole that could have used a smidge more explanation, even if it was just a single line of dialogue.
Wasn't Do_I_Not_Like_That the guy who said the Dune movie was great but the book sucked? Just sayin'.
I just got to watch the movie tonight (was on the road for work when it came out and wanted to go with friends), and Hulk's battle with Loki left me in stitches. I couldn't stop laughing at it-he was unbelievably awesome. Won't describe it, as some haven't seen it, but Ruffalo did an amazing job with his whole area. However, I felt that unlike the Norton movie, Ruffalo was strongest as a supporting role, not a main role like Downey Jr or Evans. I also didn't get how people said Hawkeye and Widow had less screen time-I think they had pretty close to the MOST screen time. Hawkeye certainly had a ton. I think Cap actually had the least screen time being himself, and more time as a regular Joe.
Pacific wrote:I thought the Hulk was the best character in the film, along with Robert Downey Jr.
On the other hand, the build-up and scene about how he controlled his anger was pretty awful.
"How do you control yourself?" (asked about 6 times over the course of the movie)
Finally: "I'm angry all of the time".
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Well, why aren't you the hulk all of the time then? That makes absolutely no sense at all!
It kinda does. At the End of the 209 movie, He was trying to learn to control his transformations. So It could be that he can (somewhat) control the Hulk.
But that scene was just Awesome.
Yeah, anyone with anger management issues can tell you that it's quite possible to be angry all the time, but to keep your anger in check and not let it control you.
timetowaste85 wrote:I also didn't get how people said Hawkeye and Widow had less screen time-I think they had pretty close to the MOST screen time. Hawkeye certainly had a ton. I think Cap actually had the least screen time being himself, and more time as a regular Joe.
Yeah, anyone with anger management issues can tell you that it's quite possible to be angry all the time, but to keep your anger in check and not let it control you.
Erm... I don't know quite what to say about it that..
Anger by it's very nature implies an emotional state - whether you control it or not.
The history of the hulk has always been that when he gets angry - i.e. when he feels anger, he changes into the hulk. Hence the immortal line, "you wouldn't like it when I'm angry"
In the comic books so many times you saw Bruce Banner almost afraid of when he is changing, or pleading with someone not to keep pushing him, because he knows what will happen.
It's what made him so dangerous and why he had to remove himself from that situation, and presumably why the Avengers were so weary about him being on board the flying fortress - because it was easy for him to change into a mindless, indestructible beast that would destroy it.
So right, 'because I'm always angry' makes absolutely no sense at all, unless they have changed the fundamental component of what the Hulk is and what causes him to change. Which would be pretty radical.
Iur_tae_mont wrote:It kinda does. At the End of the 209 movie, He was trying to learn to control his transformations. So It could be that he can (somewhat) control the Hulk.
That kinda has to be the case in order to explain why the Hulk was an unfocused, mindless monster earlier in the film, but a focused monster in the final battle. I guess the idea was that he can control it when he Hulks out on his own terms? Personally I thought that was a minor hole that could have used a smidge more explanation, even if it was just a single line of dialogue.
Wasn't Do_I_Not_Like_That the guy who said the Dune movie was great but the book sucked? Just sayin'.
Remember though, When he first transformed in the avengers, it was because he was hurt(and therefore lost his concentration . So the Hulk could have thought "Host is hurt, Girl is only one around, therefore girl hurt host"
The Next time he transformed, it was under Banner's Control and (other than knocking thor into next week midfight) he pounded the bad guys.
timetowaste85 wrote:I also didn't get how people said Hawkeye and Widow had less screen time-I think they had pretty close to the MOST screen time. Hawkeye certainly had a ton. I think Cap actually had the least screen time being himself, and more time as a regular Joe.
I meant Cap actually being Cap, not just a guy in a t-shirt sitting at a table. I won't deny Evans had a lot of screen time, but a lot seemed as Steve Rogers, not as Cap. And yes, there is a difference.
Pacific wrote:The history of the hulk has always been that when he gets angry - i.e. when he feels anger, he changes into the hulk. Hence the immortal line, "you wouldn't like it when I'm angry"
In the comic books so many times you saw Bruce Banner almost afraid of when he is changing, or pleading with someone not to keep pushing him, because he knows what will happen.
I think you are confusing the comic and the TV show. In the comics transformations, and the resulting transformations, have been for various reasons. Even in the movie the first time he changes isn't because he is angry, but because he is injured. When the comic first began it had nothing to do with emotional states and he just changed at night. Banner has also had devices that allowed him to change at will as well. Like any character with such a long history there have been many changes.
Ahtman wrote:Before Avenger's Marvel had said there wouldn't be another solo Hulk movie, as people started seeing Avengers the story changed to a six film contract and possibly another film in 2015.
timetowaste85 wrote:I also didn't get how people said Hawkeye and Widow had less screen time-I think they had pretty close to the MOST screen time. Hawkeye certainly had a ton. I think Cap actually had the least screen time being himself, and more time as a regular Joe.
I meant Cap actually being Cap, not just a guy in a t-shirt sitting at a table. I won't deny Evans had a lot of screen time, but a lot seemed as Steve Rogers, not as Cap. And yes, there is a difference.
I'm with you on this. I read an interview in which Whedon said the film was more or less through Cap's eyes, and read stuff about how Hawkeye and the Black Widow weren't onscreen much. I didn't find either to be true.
Um I know they;ve made a prequel film leading up to the avengers. But I meant is there any talk of doing another? They've already said they're doing
Just sayin'.
