A Ukrainian woman who turned herself into a real-life Barbie has been all over the Internet recently: a twenty-something blond from the Ukrainian city Odessa morphed into a living Barbie with the help of plastic surgery, eyelash extensions and colored contact lenses. She’s posing in pictures as the iconic plastic Barbie doll made by Mattel.
Her doll-like images appear weirdly convincing, although after taking a closer look at her it turns out she is not such a Barbie doll after all: she’s just a regular Eastern European chick, who used some amateur PR tools available in our digital age and magically got her moment of fame, involuntarily fooling Western media, hungry for anything sensational and not bothering to do their research, especially if the subject comes from a foreign country.
It’s interesting to see how taking something as shallow as the Ukrainian Barbie story out of context creates a sensation. A few weird-looking pictures of a 5 ft. 7 inch tall girl with wide empty-looking eyes, a tiny, heavily lipsticked mouth, and fake bust — accompanied by a couple of comments calling her a real-life size doll — became a sensational story that wound up on major media websites, such as ABC news and Business Insider.
The matter has been discussed in all seriousness. “Plastic surgery should not been used to transform oneself into a favorite celebrity or, in this case, a plastic toy,” the President of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons said. “If society expects women to look like that, it is harder for almost any woman to totally resist it, ” said the author of the book “So Sexy So soon: The Next Sexualized Childhood and How Parents Can Protect Their Kids” in an interview on abcnews.com.
Not everyone has looked for depth. Most questioned whether her images had been Photoshop’d, and if they haven’t, what exactly was altered by surgeries. Slim waist? She’s taken a couple of ribs out. Narrow, doll-like chin? Surgically reduced jaw. Breast implants? Well, this is something that Barbie herself doesn’t deny in her videos in which she goes over each detail of her appearance. According to her, getting breast implants is a procedure of the same sort as visiting a dentist. Real-life Barbie explains that slim waist is genetically inherited by women in her family, however, she admits that some creative make up helps to enhance her natural beauty.
According to the Barbie’s social networks profiles, her name is Valeria Lukyanova, she’s in her early twenties, a graduate from Odessa State Academy of Constructions and Architecture. The girl seems to be somewhat confused about her course in life. Barbie-like appearance is only one slice of her rich personality. She blogs, writes songs, is interested in New Age spirituality and is into out-of-body experiences. With the help of her little i-Phone camera, Lukyanova records incoherent video messages and posts them on YouTube. The young lady likes talking about her own beauty and uniqueness, and openly addresses questions of her possible plastic surgeries.
She likes to give advice: her statements are full of wisdom about life, finding the right way to live, not expecting manna falling from heaven, and anti-alcohol philosophies. In her videos she appears, though, as if under the influence of something, with her head leaning towards one shoulder, as if her neck is incapable of staying vertical, her eyes looking above the camera as she’s elucidates.
In her short travel videos she looks pretty much like a provincial tourist from Eastern Europe, wrapped tightly in a spandex dress, wobbling in her stilettos, trying to walk over some ancient ruins among other tourists dressed in shapeless jeans and white sneakers.
Not long ago Traveler’s digest magazine put Russia and Ukraine among the top five countries with the most beautiful women, naming Kyiv home to the world’s most beautiful ladies. Sure, Barbie Lukyanova is a true representative of her land. But with no real interesting story behind that Barbie phenomena the most interesting thing becomes how western media has blown it completely out of proportion and created sensation where none existed.
Someone linked this story on Facebook earlier and this woman actually really looks like a bloody doll. Naturally this has sparked up the debate about obsession with plastic surgery and whether or not Barbie dolls have a negative influence on girls.
I think a lot of the backlash towards her (it seems to be around 50-60% dislike her/have a negative reaction) is linked to the Uncanny Valley hypothesis.
I gotta say, the one's that are hating on this are probably the 250+ housewives that are jealous. I for one, would drink 3 gatorades during, just to keep going that much longer. LOL
I can't honestly say that she isn't anything less than very attractive, but that's not the issue. She doesn't look natural. She looks like a Final Fantasy character brought to life and that isn't a good thing.
Amaya wrote:I can't honestly say that she isn't anything less than very attractive, but that's not the issue. She doesn't look natural. She looks like a Final Fantasy character brought to life and that isn't a good thing.
Final Fantasy characters look atleast a bit pretty.
Seriously, that woman is fething creepy looking. I dont care how nice her body is (though her stomach and waist line look far too thin) over all, shes fething spooky, plain and simple
Any pictures of her before the surgery?
I don't like her like this. It looks...unnatural. I don't mind plastic surgery perse, I mean its her body after all.
But hell's bell's that looks disturbing.
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Any pictures of her before the surgery?
I don't like her like this. It looks...unnatural. I don't mind plastic surgery perse, I mean its her body after all.
But hell's bell's that looks disturbing.
Chowderhead wrote:
Everything about this screams totally unnecessary.
If I recall correctly she later got another, larger set of breast implants.
I suppose I can see the buttock augmentation if she was particularly insecure about that, its fairly difficult (and depend on genetics, occasionally impossible) to develop your glutes.
Chowderhead wrote:
Everything about this screams totally unnecessary.
If I recall correctly she later got another, larger set of breast implants.
I suppose I can see the buttock augmentation if she was particularly insecure about that, its fairly difficult (and depend on genetics, occasionally impossible) to develop your glutes.
I'm fine with the glutes, but the breasts seem so large it's uncomfortable.
Those puppies do not match her body at all. She looks like some girl in a really bad anime.
Amaya wrote:
Only in this case its not because she isn't really human, but because she looks like an overly realistic artificial human. A living, breathing doll.
I think most of the artificiality of her appearance is from the makeup, not the plastic surgery.
Amaya wrote:
Only in this case its not because she isn't really human, but because she looks like an overly realistic artificial human. A living, breathing doll.
I think most of the artificiality of her appearance is from the makeup, not the plastic surgery.
With her face that is certainly true, she's actually rather attractive with minimal makeup. The changes to the rest of her body though make her look like an big breasted anime character brought to life.
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daedalus wrote:Yeah, totally. Her ears are too large in the Forbes pictures too, but I can only assume she was working on getting those fixed.
daedalus wrote:Yeah, totally. Her ears are too large in the Forbes pictures too, but I can only assume she was working on getting those fixed.
(I don't think you see what I'm doing here.)
I do now. You got me.
Seriously though. There's something so wrong with these people that all you can really do is criticize them on things like that to see how far they'll go in mutilating themselves. Saddest thing about it is that I'm sure she was actually quite attractive before the plastic surgery disaster.
Without the disproportionately large breasts, this would be a beautiful girl. (never personally been a fan of a massive chest)
However, that face is definitely residing quite firmly within the deepest recesses of the Uncanny Valley. The absolute tragedy is that she was kinda cute prior to the facial reshaping. Now she just looks like a Real Doll.
She looks like a daemon...
Not the 40k kind...
The kind i would expect to find dragging itself from a pit and into this world to devour human for their souls...
azazel the cat wrote:Without the disproportionately large breasts, this would be a beautiful girl. (never personally been a fan of a massive chest)
However, that face is definitely residing quite firmly within the deepest recesses of the Uncanny Valley. The absolute tragedy is that she was kinda cute prior to the facial reshaping. Now she just looks like a Real Doll.
She needs more meat on her bones too.
That waist looks so thin... like she'd just snap in half in the middle of a brisk jog.
azazel the cat wrote:Without the disproportionately large breasts, this would be a beautiful girl. (never personally been a fan of a massive chest)
However, that face is definitely residing quite firmly within the deepest recesses of the Uncanny Valley. The absolute tragedy is that she was kinda cute prior to the facial reshaping. Now she just looks like a Real Doll.
I would hit it like a speeding train. I love big chests.
deathholydeath wrote:Not a fan of the huge honkers, but I wouldn't let that stop me if given a chance.
As noted before, I find the doll face oddly alluring.
The face looks way to artificial to be anything but creepy, IMHO.
The more makeup she has on, the weirder it gets. I'm not totally unattracted to her present form sans makeup. It's when she intentionally goes for the doll look that things get weird.
I really don't get it. These women are stunning and spectacular in every physical aspect, yet they feel like they need more? I do not condemn them for it, but i just think its a little strange, life goes on though.
A Ukrainian woman who turned herself into a real-life Barbie has been all over the Internet recently: a twenty-something blond from the Ukrainian city Odessa morphed into a living Barbie with the help of plastic surgery, eyelash extensions and colored contact lenses. She’s posing in pictures as the iconic plastic Barbie doll made by Mattel.
Her doll-like images appear weirdly convincing, although after taking a closer look at her it turns out she is not such a Barbie doll after all: she’s just a regular Eastern European chick, who used some amateur PR tools available in our digital age and magically got her moment of fame, involuntarily fooling Western media, hungry for anything sensational and not bothering to do their research, especially if the subject comes from a foreign country.
It’s interesting to see how taking something as shallow as the Ukrainian Barbie story out of context creates a sensation. A few weird-looking pictures of a 5 ft. 7 inch tall girl with wide empty-looking eyes, a tiny, heavily lipsticked mouth, and fake bust — accompanied by a couple of comments calling her a real-life size doll — became a sensational story that wound up on major media websites, such as ABC news and Business Insider.
The matter has been discussed in all seriousness. “Plastic surgery should not been used to transform oneself into a favorite celebrity or, in this case, a plastic toy,” the President of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons said. “If society expects women to look like that, it is harder for almost any woman to totally resist it, ” said the author of the book “So Sexy So soon: The Next Sexualized Childhood and How Parents Can Protect Their Kids” in an interview on abcnews.com.
Not everyone has looked for depth. Most questioned whether her images had been Photoshop’d, and if they haven’t, what exactly was altered by surgeries. Slim waist? She’s taken a couple of ribs out. Narrow, doll-like chin? Surgically reduced jaw. Breast implants? Well, this is something that Barbie herself doesn’t deny in her videos in which she goes over each detail of her appearance. According to her, getting breast implants is a procedure of the same sort as visiting a dentist. Real-life Barbie explains that slim waist is genetically inherited by women in her family, however, she admits that some creative make up helps to enhance her natural beauty.
According to the Barbie’s social networks profiles, her name is Valeria Lukyanova, she’s in her early twenties, a graduate from Odessa State Academy of Constructions and Architecture. The girl seems to be somewhat confused about her course in life. Barbie-like appearance is only one slice of her rich personality. She blogs, writes songs, is interested in New Age spirituality and is into out-of-body experiences. With the help of her little i-Phone camera, Lukyanova records incoherent video messages and posts them on YouTube. The young lady likes talking about her own beauty and uniqueness, and openly addresses questions of her possible plastic surgeries.
She likes to give advice: her statements are full of wisdom about life, finding the right way to live, not expecting manna falling from heaven, and anti-alcohol philosophies. In her videos she appears, though, as if under the influence of something, with her head leaning towards one shoulder, as if her neck is incapable of staying vertical, her eyes looking above the camera as she’s elucidates.
In her short travel videos she looks pretty much like a provincial tourist from Eastern Europe, wrapped tightly in a spandex dress, wobbling in her stilettos, trying to walk over some ancient ruins among other tourists dressed in shapeless jeans and white sneakers.
Not long ago Traveler’s digest magazine put Russia and Ukraine among the top five countries with the most beautiful women, naming Kyiv home to the world’s most beautiful ladies. Sure, Barbie Lukyanova is a true representative of her land. But with no real interesting story behind that Barbie phenomena the most interesting thing becomes how western media has blown it completely out of proportion and created sensation where none existed.
Someone linked this story on Facebook earlier and this woman actually really looks like a bloody doll. Naturally this has sparked up the debate about obsession with plastic surgery and whether or not Barbie dolls have a negative influence on girls.
Edit:
The following is indeed a real person.
Spoiler:
She is a 'MUST' thing in Pattaya!!
i've heard that there's another british or american girl having herself a big surgery to become a living Barbie.
and she has a benghal kitty meow
The living Ken Doll is several orders of magnitude weirder than Heidi Montag and the Ukrainian barbie. He's had fething fake muscles implanted and they look idiotic. You can't simply insert plastic and make it look like real muscle, you'd actually have to insert some sort of tissue similar to muscle than actually contracts based on movement.
If someone actually wanted to look like Ken they should just get facial work depending on their original and use some steroids if they're too lazy to weight for natural gains from weightlifting.
Melissia wrote:She needs more meat on her bones too.
That waist looks so thin... like she'd just snap in half in the middle of a brisk jog.
YMMV I gueses.
Her middle looks great. I'm all in favour of skinny, athletic women.
infinite_array wrote:Agree with Chowder. Nice body, but the face is waaay too creepy. And I'd bet her personality is as woo... plastic as the actual toy.
No, I'd bet her personality is completely broken and full of disorders and baggage. But wooden... no.
azazel the cat wrote: Her middle looks great. I'm all in favour of skinny, athletic women.
Skinny generally means the woman is not athletic in much the same way it does for men. For example, this is Hannah Teter:
Hanah Teter is a professional snowboarder, and she's 5'5 145 lbs.
And my s/o is 5'7 and 110 lbs, and quite fit.
I think you'll find that different sports will be more appropriate for various body types. My s/o, for example, plays volleyball; competitively once upon a time. That sport is much more conducive to being skinny (think of a body type like Keira Knightly or Milla Jovovich) than would, say, professional fighting, which focuses on shoulder girth, like Gina Carano (much wider but still pretty hot).
EDIT: and the whole "skinny =/= athletic" rhetoric is just something broader girls say to try and put down the skinnier ones.
1. a 'before ' look still looks better for me =^.^=
2. She should wear the SAME lingerie in the right picture too! this is a girly discussion so i'll discuss this with a group of Kylie fans elsewhere
3. She looks better with a curled hair meow.
azazel the cat wrote:
I think you'll find that different sports will be more appropriate for various body types. My s/o, for example, plays volleyball; competitively once upon a time. That sport is much more conducive to being skinny (think of a body type like Keira Knightly or Milla Jovovich) than would, say, professional fighting, which focuses on shoulder girth, like Gina Carano (much wider but still pretty hot).
I'm aware that different sports create different body types, I worked as a trainer for a number of years. But at the elite level you won't find many skinny volleyball players, certainly not below the waist. All those short, rapid cutting movements, plus the emphasis on squatting motions, has a way of developing the lower body such that its usually quite muscular. The Keira Knightly body type is closer to a distance runner or cyclist (Or someone whose physique significantly impacts their career.) than a volleyball player.
For example, Misty May-Treanor is ~150 lbs (the short one):
azazel the cat wrote:
and the whole "skinny =/= athletic" rhetoric is just something broader girls say to try and put down the skinnier ones.
Not really. Being skinny doesn't mean you're going to be athletic, you might be skinny and athletic but the two aren't interchangeable. I would honestly be surprised if the girl in the OP could run a mile, or do the equivalent in non-bounce-inducing cardio.
Actually this IS my type of woman. too bad her boobs are (supposedly) not natural mew!
since i'm still single. my Ideal woman should be
1. Blonde
2. White (favorably either French, Brits, Americans, Oz or Nzers).... sovieti modelswoman is okay for me 3. have a good shape. but should not be anoxeric skinny. yes she should be healthy too!
personally i'm more a fan of 40s - 50s hollywood pinups =^.^=
4. (compulsory at best) Kylie fan.
5. Also a fan of feline beings.
this is five basic attributes of my dream girl.
What about you? are you still single or get yourself an attache' ? if you are still a single man. what's your type of girl? and reasons you speak against Valeria Lukyanova ?
EDIT: is the likes of Am Patcharapa C. your type?
Items of note
- She always referred as "อั้ม" which should be either romanized as Am or Um. however, she chose to romanize her nick as "Aum".. which it is a bad romanization. it could be pronounced as "Om" instead
- She began her (Lakorn) actress career as a villain. and always she is. However in the flicks. she was sometimes. a protagonista.
- She is said (and .. ahem. admitted) to be through plastic surgery (and all is done in Thailand)
- It is said that Korean girls admire her beauty (?), and so does Chinese
- I'm not sure if she has any potentials to go to Hollywood. Do you want her to be filmed there?
- She is NOT my type. I'm also suspected that she might challenging my number one diva. Kylie Minogue. .. at some point.
azazel the cat wrote:And my s/o is 5'7 and 110 lbs, and quite fit.
No, she is not. 5'7" 110lbs is unhealthily underweight. She's not "fit" by any means.
Even a very small framed woman at 5'7" should be at least 125-135 pounds to be healthy. Her weight would make sense if she was five foot nothing, but not at 5'7".
Yeah she cant be that fit like, I just asked my missus her current stats, and she is 5"5 and 116lbs. She has a great figure, but its after she started lifting weights and I made her do pull ups.
She said she was 106lbs 6 months ago and that was underweight, I think she is in good shape now, maybe not as strong as she should be, but she can crack 6 pull ups and run well.
Two inches taller and 110lbs.. thats gotta be a bit too skinny, she cant have any strength to her!
azazel the cat wrote:And my s/o is 5'7 and 110 lbs, and quite fit.
No, she is not. 5'7" 110lbs is unhealthily underweight. She's not "fit" by any means.
Even a very small framed woman at 5'7" should be at least 125-135 pounds to be healthy. Her weight would make sense if she was five foot nothing, but not at 5'7".
The average woman at 5'7" 110 would probably not be fit unless she was a marathoner or some other form of extreme endurance athlete. As always, there are exceptions to the rule. There was a girl on at my 3A HS that was around 5'9" 110 (she her calves were probably skinnier than my forearms even back then) that was the school's star softball pitcher and one of the better volleyball players. She was just naturally skinny and a ridiculously fast metabolism.
No, the Ukrainian barbie is probably not remotely fit at all. She has zero muscle tone despite being at a very low body fat percentage. Hell, she has barely any tone in her abs.
Yeah, 5'5" 116 is on the low end for a small bodied woman (which is 115-130ish).
I'm glad to hear she put on some weight =D There's too many girls who underweight these days, despite the claims that the Western world is getting fat.
Amaya wrote:The average woman at 5'7" 110 would probably not be fit unless she was a marathoner or some other form of extreme endurance athlete.
Not even then. A marathoner is gonna be heavier than that because of their leg muscles, which would have to be developed and toned for endurance to complete the marathon. Sure there's exceptions but the exceptions themselves often are exceptions because of underlying health problems. Same with overweight really.
Melissia wrote:Yeah, 5'5" 116 is on the low end for a small bodied woman (which is 115-130ish).
I'm glad to hear she put on some weight =D There's too many girls who underweight these days, despite the claims that the Western world is getting fat.
Amaya wrote:The average woman at 5'7" 110 would probably not be fit unless she was a marathoner or some other form of extreme endurance athlete.
Not even then. A marathoner is gonna be heavier than that because of their leg muscles, which would have to be developed and toned for endurance to complete the marathon. Sure there's exceptions but the exceptions themselves often are exceptions because of underlying health problems. Same with overweight really.
Aye she gained ten pounds since I made her do some pull ups and she got a kettle bell.
Still weak though, she can only do 6 heaves.. but then I might be being a tad harsh by basing her up against my mighty prowess.
I mean, I was checking the laughably puny fitness requirements on the USMC website the other day (thanks to an argument with my missus when she called them "The many the average" and I took umbrage with it!) Anyway, on the annual BFT the men have to do 3 pull ups, and the women only have to hang off the bar for 15 seconds!
So, if she can pass the men's test, she's clearly pretty fit after all eh?
Our BFT involves a 12 mile run and 10 chin ups, and your not allowed to do it without going on the piss all night the day before.
Melissia wrote:Yeah, 5'5" 116 is on the low end for a small bodied woman (which is 115-130ish).
I'm glad to hear she put on some weight =D There's too many girls who underweight these days, despite the claims that the Western world is getting fat.
Amaya wrote:The average woman at 5'7" 110 would probably not be fit unless she was a marathoner or some other form of extreme endurance athlete.
Not even then. A marathoner is gonna be heavier than that because of their leg muscles, which would have to be developed and toned for endurance to complete the marathon. Sure there's exceptions but the exceptions themselves often are exceptions because of underlying health problems. Same with overweight really.
For the 1600m and farther world class athletes tend to be extremely thin. You don't need big muscles to run fast, you need strong ones. Size after a certain point becomes detrimental.
It's strange though that the world record mile is done at the 100m/14s and the record sprints are only a few seconds faster.
I mean, I was checking the laughably puny fitness requirements on the USMC website the other day (thanks to an argument with my missus when she called them "The many the average" and I took umbrage with it!) Anyway, on the annual BFT the men have to do 3 pull ups, and the women only have to hang off the bar for 15 seconds!
What?? We had to do 10 pull ups to pass the fitness test back in middle school P.E.! How are 12 year old children held to a higher standard than the marines???
I mean, I was checking the laughably puny fitness requirements on the USMC website the other day (thanks to an argument with my missus when she called them "The many the average" and I took umbrage with it!) Anyway, on the annual BFT the men have to do 3 pull ups, and the women only have to hang off the bar for 15 seconds!
What?? We had to do 10 pull ups to pass the fitness test back in middle school P.E.! How are 12 year old children held to a higher standard than the marines???
Minimum standards for all branches are a joke. I think the minimum run time is something like 28:00 for 3 miles.
Rubik, its because despite what people in the military tell you, half of the fethers aint even that fit. Beggars cant be choosers after all, and modern kids don't wanna be in the military. gak, I think they even started letting asthmatics in didnt they?
If they aren't in a good regiment, the guys are a joke. I met literally thousands of soldiers during my time, and outside of the top tier regiment, I was very very rarely impressed. Funny thing, when you do meet someone in an ordinary branch who impresses you, they tend to be in the middle of a transfer or something.
Amaya wrote:For the 1600m and farther world class athletes tend to be extremely thin. You don't need big muscles to run fast, you need strong ones. Size after a certain point becomes detrimental.
It's strange though that the world record mile is done at the 100m/14s and the record sprints are only a few seconds faster.
Aye but put that into percentage terms and you running at 71% which makes sense in perspective. Though I see what you mean at such small figures
Melissia wrote:Not even then. A marathoner is gonna be heavier than that because of their leg muscles, which would have to be developed and toned for endurance to complete the marathon. Sure there's exceptions but the exceptions themselves often are exceptions because of underlying health problems. Same with overweight really.
Actually the main factor in marathon performance is cardiovascular fitness, after that its just a matter of having enough muscle mass to efficiently move your (preferably light) frame. The basic idea being that the less muscle you have, the easier it is for your cardiovascular system to maintain pace.
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Amaya wrote:You don't need big muscles to run fast, you need strong ones.
Aye. Power, and therefore muscle mass, is only relevant to sprinters.
azazel the cat wrote:
and the whole "skinny =/= athletic" rhetoric is just something broader girls say to try and put down the skinnier ones.
Not really. Being skinny doesn't mean you're going to be athletic, you might be skinny and athletic but the two aren't interchangeable. I would honestly be surprised if the girl in the OP could run a mile, or do the equivalent in non-bounce-inducing cardio.
I didn't say it automatically equated. I just said that skinny doesn't automatically exclude someone, either.
Melissia wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:And my s/o is 5'7 and 110 lbs, and quite fit.
No, she is not. 5'7" 110lbs is unhealthily underweight. She's not "fit" by any means.
Even a very small framed woman at 5'7" should be at least 125-135 pounds to be healthy. Her weight would make sense if she was five foot nothing, but not at 5'7".
Yeah, she hears fat chicks say that to her all the time. Yet she used to compete at the National level for Volleyball. Currently she does some pretty high-level Yoga, and distance-running, too.
mattyrm wrote:Yeah she cant be that fit like, I just asked my missus her current stats, and she is 5"5 and 116lbs. She has a great figure, but its after she started lifting weights and I made her do pull ups.
She said she was 106lbs 6 months ago and that was underweight, I think she is in good shape now, maybe not as strong as she should be, but she can crack 6 pull ups and run well.
Two inches taller and 110lbs.. thats gotta be a bit too skinny, she cant have any strength to her!
No, he's not much of a power lifter. But she's a pretty good distance-runner.
Speaking of fitness, did you guys know that if you were overweight and all of a suddenly kidnapped, put on a plane, and then thrown off the plane somewhere in the south american jungle, spend at least 24 hours there in a predatory zone, you can easily shed 10 pounds because your body goes into oh $#!^ mode?
Likewise if you exercise daily, and eat casually, but all of a sudden stop exercising for a month, you can gain 15 pounds?
I now weight 213 at 5'9 T'is no good, I be slackin yo.
P.S. I don't know what any of you are talking about, she looks hot, minus the dead face. (but of course, i think my lady looks better ) Oh yeah, there should be a neutral face orkmoticon, I think that would be funny.
LumenPraebeo wrote:Speaking of fitness, did you guys know that if you were all of a suddenly kidnapped, put on a plane, and then thrown off the plane somewhere in the south american jungle, spend at least 24 hours there in a predatory zone, you can easily shed 10 pounds because your body goes into oh $#!^ mode?
Likewise if you exercise daily, and eat casually, but all of a sudden stop exercising for a month, you can gain 15 pounds?
I now weight 213 at 5'9 T'is no good, I be slackin yo.
P.S. I don't know what any of you are talking about, she looks hot, minus the dead face. (but of course, i think my lady looks better ) Oh yeah, there should be a neutral face orkmoticon, I think that would be funny.
That sounds a little high, assuming your were burning 500 calories a day from exercise and then stopped you should only gain about 4lbs of fat in a month. Of course you have to factor in your BMR slowing down in addition to excess carbohydrate consumption when not exercising. Still, 15 in a month is a lot. I am impressed.
Edit: If you can maintain it you'll break 1000 lbs this year.
It probably had to do with me staying home on my chair, two barbecues, and a feast i attended. I have to admit, I have paid no heed to watching how much I eat at all for the past month. Probably 2 months. I was home 90% of that time, working on passing my classes.
You can't really weight yourself right after eating, nor when you haven't ate, you have to do both because how much you ate and how much you weight when you haven't both need to be considered. I would say most of the time it was around the area of 210. Which is still a scary amount.
Well, generally it doesn't matter when you weigh yourself so long as you do it at the same time consistently. Generally I weigh myself every morning, and after every workout.
There was loads of this kind of stuff when I was in Korea, chiefly pop singers who may or not be real people!
I'm not to sure how to think about it really. On the one hand, yes it's terrible that these girls feel they have to make these changes to themselves, pressured by a patriarchal society. On the other hand, I think there is so much ugliness in the world that I can't complain about this kind of thing. I've been into Asda (Walmart in the US) at times and felt physically sickened by how fething ugly, fat and just awful looking a good chunk of the population are, and that it would be providing a service to mankind's genepool if the whole place was simultaneously hit by an earthquake and hurricane. At least these people put a few more smiles on faces than they do scorns.
The anime eyes look can be achieved with contacts and photoshop. Apparently it is a rather large fad. I don't hate anime, but some of these people that obsess over it...smh
Melissia wrote:Are you sure those are people? They look like realdolls.
All of those korean girls are REAL!. too bad all of those pop stars (who expected to rule the world soon. unless someone else is up and challenging them) went through plastic surgery!!!!
In Thailand. Those chicks are admired not only by many local boys (especially those who are either fond of asian girl, or a fan of asian pornos). but also local girls!
while the majority of female teenage population has a darker 'bronze' skins. numerous are either descent from Chinese or Vietnamese immigrants usually has a lighter skins (both still classified as Asian). and those of the latter is likely to find the way to make them looks like those popstars! thus making either Beauty clinics franchises (Nitipon and Wuttisak are the two competing beauty franchise!), it is said that those clinics mad e an extensive uses of 'illegal medications'. the 'innovative' medications and medicine practices that's not approved by Ministry of Public Health and its associating bureaus. for example. the FDA (อ.ย.), and Government Pharmacheutical Organization (องค์การเภสัชกรรม: This organization not only regulates medicines, but also a manufacturer among many pharmacheuticals manufacturers here) . Another products that's a big hit here due to the Korean pop cultures being a big hit here is a pair of contact lens called 'The Big Eye'; which is an alternative to those who can't afford a surgery. however. those Big Eyes lens are usually sells at the 'walking streets' markets!!! This phenomenon is very new here! in the past. all contact lens can only be sold in optical clinics. the MOPH never authrizes any non-medical personnels to sell it! but, of course smugglers always find the way to get around the law and have those things sell at the night bazaars, and you can expect the lack of hygiene in those products sold there. the MOPH had ... at some points. issue warnings on a potential danger of such product. the contagion is likely and it could blind a wearer!!!!!
oh! I almost forgot, those lens are either Korean, or Chinese made. that's why it's relatively cheap!
oh! another item i've almost forgot!! those lens are now available on the Internet, and even the FB!!!
^ This girl is actually an asian. the lens make her looks somewhat like half-whites but she's still asian for me. Oh! she's holding a product in question ! the lens are usually contained inside a brown canister.
there's much to say about how fake those girls are. but the reasons 'why' . it is best to guess. and stay tuned.... for the next reply..
Yes right, I was pretty shocked by some of the stuff that goes on in Korea. Even my boss where I was working was miss Plastic Fantastic, I think there wasn't a single part of her body left that was original - looking back on it now, the business was probably a way to pay for that addiction.
Commonplace is to have the corner of the eyes cut so they appear bigger (this is really painful apparently), and you then add coloured contact lenses - of course everyone in Korea has very dark eyes, so blue and green contacts are common. Then eyelids are 'added'. Then the bottom of the chin and cheekbones (which are generally naturally high) are cut to make an oval-shaped face, and a bridge of the nose added. Funnily as well, unlike the West really white skin is seen as beautiful - so women hide from the sun like they are vampires (you will see people walking past on the beach without a single cm of skin visible, it's so funny), and a lot of women have Michael Jackson-esque skin blanching treatments to make them as white as possible.
It's unbelievable how commonplace plastic surgery is there, and also how accepted it is by society. The whole thing is pretty sad really, but young women there have I think a lot more pressure on them to look in a particular way than they do in the west.
Hey, I know im a pretty old fashioned soldiery type of bloke (if you can speak your not running fast enough, if you can pick up the soap you didn't lift, stretching is for women) and Im ignorant of many things that would be classed as "hippy" philosophy in my manly circles, so, im only half joking, but seriously...
azazel the cat wrote:
Currently she does some pretty high-level Yoga
azazel the cat wrote:And my s/o is 5'7 and 110 lbs, and quite fit.
No, she is not. 5'7" 110lbs is unhealthily underweight. She's not "fit" by any means.
Even a very small framed woman at 5'7" should be at least 125-135 pounds to be healthy. Her weight would make sense if she was five foot nothing, but not at 5'7".
Yeah, she hears fat chicks say that to her all the time. Yet she used to compete at the National level for Volleyball. Currently she does some pretty high-level Yoga, and distance-running, too.
I think you've got a skewed understanding of what it constitutes to be fat.
azazel the cat wrote:And my s/o is 5'7 and 110 lbs, and quite fit.
No, she is not. 5'7" 110lbs is unhealthily underweight. She's not "fit" by any means.
Even a very small framed woman at 5'7" should be at least 125-135 pounds to be healthy. Her weight would make sense if she was five foot nothing, but not at 5'7".
Yeah, she hears fat chicks say that to her all the time. Yet she used to compete at the National level for Volleyball. Currently she does some pretty high-level Yoga, and distance-running, too.
I think you've got a skewed understanding of what it constitutes to be fat.
Agreed. She's at least 15 pounds underweight, even with a small frame.
And perhaps it's not just fat chicks. Even strangers on the internet think he's a bit small.
I more or less see her as an incredibly successful cosplay.
Can't help but think the hate is because girls/women have been told for the last 20 years that it's okay if they don't look like this (and it is) but now the means to actually make yourself look like this are generally obtainable. Is this basically a reflection of an upping intensity in the cosmetic arms race?
Bottom line, the body is a bombshell. The face is a bit artificial/cartoonish/obviously fake, but some of that is intentional; no doubt a less-heavy makeup application and less doll-like poses would have her drop several factors of creepy while retaining the overall physical appeal.
azazel the cat wrote:And my s/o is 5'7 and 110 lbs, and quite fit.
No, she is not. 5'7" 110lbs is unhealthily underweight. She's not "fit" by any means.
You really can't make this statement without examining the individual and taking her on an individual basis. Your assertion is correct for a bell curve but she could easily be the .1% of individuals in the tail.
Using BMI measures, every NBA star would be obese and many top-performing powerlifters would be morbidly obese. The individual in contention could simply be the inverse.
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Melissia wrote:That assumes that the hate just began now, which is most certainly wrong. It was there twenty years ago, too, to be sure.
Pretty much been around since the 60s, or at least this modern retypification of it. Humanity in general dislikes the 'elites', whether it's physical, financial, or intellectual.
sourclams wrote:Using BMI measures, every NBA star would be obese
The BMI wasn't really what I was using, but yes, the BMI doesn't work for athletes, this is well known.
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sourclams wrote:Pretty much been around since the 60s, or at least this modern retypification of it. Humanity in general dislikes the 'elites', whether it's physical, financial, or intellectual.
mattyrm wrote:Is there such a thing as "high level" Yoga!?
Yeah, there is. To compare it to martial arts, it would be the same idea as the difference between a white belt and a black belt, for example.
Chowderhead wrote:
dogma wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
Melissia wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:And my s/o is 5'7 and 110 lbs, and quite fit.
No, she is not. 5'7" 110lbs is unhealthily underweight. She's not "fit" by any means.
Even a very small framed woman at 5'7" should be at least 125-135 pounds to be healthy. Her weight would make sense if she was five foot nothing, but not at 5'7".
Yeah, she hears fat chicks say that to her all the time. Yet she used to compete at the National level for Volleyball. Currently she does some pretty high-level Yoga, and distance-running, too.
I think you've got a skewed understanding of what it constitutes to be fat.
Agreed. She's at least 15 pounds underweight, even with a small frame.
And perhaps it's not just fat chicks. Even strangers on the internet think he's a bit small.
And strangers on the Internet are always the ones who know best! Your own judgements are likely based on two irritating principles: 1) BMI scores, which have been invalidated for a very long time. (Michael Jordan was considered seriously overweight during the years he won his NBA championship rings according to BMI scales, for example) 2) Overweight people (usually women) attempting to make themselves feel better about their own flabby body image by putting her down.
EDIT: @ SourClams: Ah! Thank you! Someone else gets it, on both counts!
azazel the cat wrote: And strangers on the Internet are always the ones who know best!
Sometimes, we are.
Your own judgements are likely based on two irritating principles:
Not mine, medical scientists who are experts in their fields.
1) BMI scores, which have been invalidated for a very long time. (Michael Jordan was considered seriously overweight during the years he won his NBA championship rings according to BMI scales, for example)
I wasn't using BMI. I'm using the average weight of 5'7" women with a slim, athletic build. It's 126-132 pounds, according to the insurance company MetLife.
2) Overweight people (usually women) attempting to make themselves feel better about their own flabby body image by putting her down.
Melissia wrote:That isn't what is motivating this.
The catalyst is the extreme artificiality of her look, assisted by what is quantitatively an extremely artificial body.
What's keeping the vitriole high is undoubtedly the extent to which she's pulled this off. If you wanted to tailor-build the 'American Ideal' to add to some online spank-bank, she pretty much nails it. It looks like she's been physically engineered into a sexual object. To an entire generation of women that have heard that 'being natural is still pretty', this unnatural -- but borderline physically perfect body -- is pretty much rage-inducing to the even slightly insecure. The good news is, they can do it too, all it takes is money, which is probably what puts 'normal' people over the edge.
sourclams wrote:
Using BMI measures, every NBA star would be obese and many top-performing powerlifters would be morbidly obese.
There's a fairly good argument that obesity should be determined without regard for body composition.
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azazel the cat wrote:
2) Overweight people (usually women) attempting to make themselves feel better about their own flabby body image by putting her down.
I like this one. Nothing better than boosting one's own body image by claiming criticism of your body image is based on other people trying to boost their own body image while citing your own criticism of their body image.
azazel the cat wrote:Your own judgements are likely based on two irritating principles:
Neither.
Ah, but you are making a sweeping generalization without any evidence. Perhaps you would like to explain yourself, then?
I was not using BMI, but rather, "Met Life" tables, a range of weights for women of various body frames (small, medium, and large frames to be specific) based on mortality rates and general health of the person who has that weight.
And to point out the flaws that I know of for this table, this is used mostly for non-athletes between 25-59, as athletes have their own measures of weight and health based off of their activities, and their use for youths is dubious because they're based off of information collected by health and life insurance agencies (which most youths don't have). The tables also don't work very well for those who are taller than average (especially males), but as the girlfriend was shorter than average this was not an issue. And of course, as the heights and weights of people are gradually increasing over the generations, the chart will need to be revised, but for now it works for women of average or below average height, or men of below average height.
Course, all other tables have similar amounts of problems.
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azazel the cat wrote:Not a joke.
Good, because it wasn't funny. Mostly just stupid.
Chowderhead wrote:I wasn't using BMI. I'm using the average weight of 5'7" women with a slim, athletic build. It's 126-132 pounds, according to the insurance company MetLife.
You're substituting one general index with another.
When my wife and I met, she was 120 lbs with a slim build, low overall muscle tone, and could have easily shed weight from her hips, glutes, and thighs, probably 5+ pounds, without looking the least bit emaciated.
A high-level yoga practitioner who also plays competitive volleyball who might also be genetically predisposed to a willowy build pretty much blows 'average' indices, even average for a relatively high level of fitness, out of the water.
sourclams wrote:The catalyst is the extreme artificiality of her look, assisted by what is quantitatively an extremely artificial body.
What's keeping the vitriole high is undoubtedly the extent to which she's pulled this off. If you wanted to tailor-build the 'American Ideal' to add to some online spank-bank, she pretty much nails it. It looks like she's been physically engineered into a sexual object. To an entire generation of women that have heard that 'being natural is still pretty', this unnatural -- but borderline physically perfect body -- is pretty much rage-inducing to the even slightly insecure. The good news is, they can do it too, all it takes is money, which is probably what puts 'normal' people over the edge.
But that's not whats wrong about it is it? Why do you think people think its hideous to do that to yourself? You CAN look like that with a healthy diet and exercise. Of course for some people to get to that type of body, they need to do it at a more strict level than others. But you get that type of body by doing plastic surgery on an entire 50% of your body? That's not what it means to be healthy and attractive. What's the point of being attractive if you're not gonna make sure you're healthy? You SHOULDN'T need to pay money to keep yourself fit and sexy. It is an entirely free process when you have the ambition. Plastic surgery to force your body to look sexy, instead of shaping it is just plain lazy. Which unfortunately a huge part of first world countries think its okay to do. Not that it is wrong, but really? Instead of exercising, you do plastic surgery? 7000 years ago, that type of laziness didn't exist because those types don't survive.
Btw, to be fair, i think their body looks good...but like others have said, those eyes are creepy...its probably been the thousanth time I've said this, but japanese people and the people they inspire are weird.
Sorry if that's offensive, but I won't apologize for that statement
LumenPraebeo wrote:You CAN look like that with a healthy diet and exercise.
I don't think you can, actually. I mean, that's part of what resulted in the whole natural body phenomena; that it's almost genetically impossible to look like Barbie. "And that's O-kay".
Of course for some people to get to that type of body, they need to do it at a more strict level than others. But you get that type of body by doing plastic surgery on an entire 50% of your body? That's not what it means to be healthy and attractive. What's the point of being attractive if you're not gonna make sure you're healthy?
Honestly we don't know that she isn't physically healthy. We do know that she is more or less the perfect embodiment of her targeted definition of physical attractiveness, though, because that's exactly what SCIENCE! sculpted her into, voluntarily.
You SHOULDN'T need to pay money to keep yourself fit and sexy. It is an entirely free process when you have the ambition. Plastic surgery to force your body to look sexy, instead of shaping it is just plain lazy.
But that's what's RAEG-inducing. Nobody has to do this, but when someone does, and the results are basically , everybody gets pissed for a number of reasons:
1. unattractive, broke people get mad because they do not look like this and don't have access to the means to look like this. And I don't mean full-fledge barbie, but just have work done to up a '4' to a '7'
2. feminists get mad because this individual's idea of freedom of expression is to essentially cater to the body image that they've spent 50 years 'fighting' for freedom from
3. attractive people get mad because this was originally an attractive person who took it to the 'next level'; cosmetics arms race escalates if this is the new bar of competition
4. 'normal' women get mad because their s/o's would hit that so maybe they should look that way themselves?, and 'normal' men probably have somewhat a guilt trip because we'd definitely hit that
5. It's such an extreme of cosmetic-scaping that someone's teenage daughter might be more prone to ask for/expect surgical augmentation 'as long as she doesn't go as crazy about it as the living Barbie'
Just IMO, but I think that's why the public at large might care about this, moreso than some starlet getting a boobjob.
'Anime eyes' thing was dated back to the early days of Manga prints. possibly post WW2 mangas.
By 1950s. Japan fully embraced American pop culture for the first time! never before had we seen a Japanese woman (usually H.O. ) dressing hollywood actress hairdo. and they have watched American-imported TV Cartoons for the first time. remember Disney's Mickey Mouse? , Looney toons's Bugs Bunny, and MGM's Tom & Jerry ? every characters seen in those flicks are all have a pair of oversized eyes! ... some Japs seen an opportunity to make 'Home-grown' cartoons had copied 'American cartoonish' looks into their own creations. the earliest Japanese 'cartoons' (example. the Big X) by then is an exact copies of Americans imports.
and those domestically created cartoons became popular! and the earliest 'formulae' of Anime (it was called 'Doga' by then) are
- Cartoonish eyes
- Oversized heads (almost SD)
- Every 'human' characters are all looks 'white' while carrying 'Japanese' identity !!! .. especially in case of technicolour flicks. This rules usually applies to protagonists. however, antagonists usually have more realistic, slant eyes (regardless of ethnicity). several times. 'Japanese' characters may also have either blonde, brunette, or red hair. which it's totally White attributes.
At first. Japanese mangas and dogas of any genre share these attributes. (Including Go Nagai's 'Super robot heroes' things). these 'American Cartoonish' appearance carried onto 60s and 70s. to the points that when Barbie was introduced to Japan sometimes in early 60s (by Takara... the toy manufacturer that later contributed to the creation of Hasbro's "Transformers" franchise).. in 1967. the similar plastic doll, "Invented by" Maki Mako (Leiji Matsumoto's wife) was launched by... Takara. under the name "Licca". While everyone here says that Mattel's barbie is "Unnatural". Takara's Licca is even more cartoonish!
And she looks MUCH closer to 'American cartoon imagery' than what expressed in the 80s Shojo-style anime. !!! This doll was, is, and always.. marketed as a blonde girl! strangely enough. this look appeals Japanese lil girls and it is a 'revenue generator' to Takara for many decades. and even after the merge with Tomy !! (well an 'asian-looking' Licca did also exists but not generally marketed)
while Doga/Anime industry began its evolution. another aspect came into Marketing formulae. Gender.
By 70s. the rising demands had rushed production process. Doga/Anime began to have a 'coarse' animations rather than 'smooth' ones Americans introduced to Japan.
An anime made for girl markets usually have many characters a big eye. and by 70s. everyone has an unnatural hair colours too!
Those targeted boys. however. became more realistic. human characters have a slant eyes and more ethnically accurate.
While Japanese kids grown up with those Doga/anime. Plastic surgery technology of that time was not even developed. by then all medical and public health science focus on how to save human lives. and not how to perfect one's looks. nor hair cosmetic sciences. so how do those kids look is okay.
While Korean teens are inspired by Japanese Anime/manga (?!?) the Anime-style fashion (Initially it was called Cosplay and usually and occasional dress up fest. just like Gay drag fests when you might expect to see 'clones' of either Madonna or Kylie, or maybe even both! ) was actually originated from America! ...possibly sometimes around 60-70. when Punk music was first introduced. so does the 'unruly' fashions that surpass even the days of preceeding Rock n Roll (which... oddly Elvis fashions contributes much to Disco ones!). Surprisingly. many Japanese admire Andy Warhol hardo, but it was not poppular by 70s-80s. only in the late 90s when J-Pop reaches its pinnacle (by then the J-Pop, and J-Rock can surprisingly stands toe-to-toe with either Spice Girls, or Westlife), the 'Andy Warhol' fashion was first make a big hit there! the fashion also reinforced by Squaresoft's "Final Fantasy" series. (also a coupling of the-then bighit "Play Station"... a technology that was once scared PC Gaming industry) which main characters have asian face, but Warhol's hair!... Interestingly. while 90s anime still features 'big eye japs'. None of Japanese celebrities (and ... even pornstars) being expressed as having 'White Attributes". they only have 'Whites' hairdo... their eyes, faces, and skins.. always easily identified as asians.
P'rhaps it was Japanese marketing beliefs. which (i think) is "Keep your face and eyes asian! Everything else is permitted"
And this is a strict code J-pop still holds even with the face of tough competitions from Korea.
Korean entertainment industry. on the other hand. was so desperate to compete with the Japs.
while original koreans doesn't seem to have different looks than any asians. the Industry itself is in need of creating 'Korean Identity' so they could compete. and outrules asian entertainment industry.
So 'Big eyes and plastic surgery' was the first things Korean popstars are encouraged! i think there was a certain incentives/projects that the media manufacturing company is responsible for every surgery expenses done unto a participating popstar(s)
Koreans tried this experiment. and it works! not only within Korea. but also here in Thailand.
And 'Plastic Koreans' values became widely accepted in Korea. to the point of being a BIG HIT.
Chowderhead wrote:I wasn't using BMI. I'm using the average weight of 5'7" women with a slim, athletic build. It's 126-132 pounds, according to the insurance company MetLife.
You're substituting one general index with another.
When my wife and I met, she was 120 lbs with a slim build, low overall muscle tone, and could have easily shed weight from her hips, glutes, and thighs, probably 5+ pounds, without looking the least bit emaciated.
A high-level yoga practitioner who also plays competitive volleyball who might also be genetically predisposed to a willowy build pretty much blows 'average' indices, even average for a relatively high level of fitness, out of the water.
This is exactly correct. Thank you, sourclams, for being able to see the point clearly, and not assuming the mob mentality.
Melissia, I understand that this may be a sore point for you, but you really should try to avoid picking on slender, fit people just because they are an (increasingly extreme) minority. Would you make your same argument if we were talking about skin & eye colour, and someone's s/o was Asian with blue eyes? Because that us naturally occurring as well, and perhaps just as rare nowadays.
Any general index is based on an average, and for every person like my s/o, there us a gargantuan hambeast to skew the table. The difference is that you seem to think it's okay to pass judgement on the slender, attractive one.
azazel the cat wrote:Melissia, I understand that this may be a sore point for you, but you really should try to avoid picking on slender, fit people just because they are an (increasingly extreme) minority.... The difference is that you seem to think it's okay to pass judgement on the slender, attractive one.
Wow. This might actually be the single most... I can't even think of a word. Hurtful? Hateful? Angry? Assholic?
azazel the cat wrote:Melissia, I understand that this may be a sore point for you, but you really should try to avoid picking on slender, fit people just because they are an (increasingly extreme) minority.... The difference is that you seem to think it's okay to pass judgement on the slender, attractive one.
Wow. This might actually be the single most... I can't even think of a word. Hurtful? Hateful? Angry? Assholic?
Lone Cat wrote:'Anime eyes' thing was dated back to the early days of Manga prints. possibly post WW2 mangas.
By 1950s. Japan fully embraced American pop culture for the first time! never before had we seen a Japanese woman (usually H.O. ) dressing hollywood actress hairdo. and they have watched American-imported TV Cartoons for the first time. remember Disney's Mickey Mouse? , Looney toons's Bugs Bunny, and MGM's Tom & Jerry ? every characters seen in those flicks are all have a pair of oversized eyes! ... some Japs seen an opportunity to make 'Home-grown' cartoons had copied 'American cartoonish' looks into their own creations. the earliest Japanese 'cartoons' (example. the Big X) by then is an exact copies of Americans imports.
and those domestically created cartoons became popular!
And then completely butchered it because they're weird.
azazel the cat wrote:Melissia, I understand that this may be a sore point for you, but you really should try to avoid picking on slender, fit people just because they are an (increasingly extreme) minority.... The difference is that you seem to think it's okay to pass judgement on the slender, attractive one.
Wow. This might actually be the single most... I can't even think of a word. Hurtful? Hateful? Angry? Assholic?
Nice work.
Mel, rip this man to pieces. Please.
Not really sure how it's hateful other than possibly being interpreted as suggesting that Mel is something other than slender and attractive.
Not going to comment on women and this issue, but so called masculine men (read: beard and gut) do tend to take the piss out of so called girly men (read: slim, six pack, good looking).
What responses are you guys talking about anyway? I only see someone whose obvious and quite desperate trolling resulted in me putting them on ignore. Let's stop talking about me and get back on topic. Not like they have anything of value to say anyway.
Everything about this screams totally unnecessary.
Sometimes plastic surgery doesnt help even if it turns out well. Assuming the two images were sisters rather than one person I personally think 'the one on the left' is more beautiful. This ignores any points deducted for being artificial.
I will take this moment to clarify something important:
I am not implying anyone is fat, etc., nor am I trolling.
I do, however, live with someone who has had body-image issues as a result of "big boned" people -who are increasingly the majority- telling her that she is unhealthy, despite her athleticism; and not attractive because she isn't a 38-26-38. Worse still, are the people that think it is okay to ridicule and pass judgement on someone because they are slender. I am merely pointing out that foolish justifications like the BMI does not apply to everyone, and is merely a mean average and completely outdated by scientific standards.
If anyone wants to call me a troll for defending people who are apparently not allowed to defend themselves in an ever-increasingly overweight culture, and place me on an "ignore" list, then so be it -because i'm not wrong.
Nope, I completely agree with you in this case. Some people are naturally very skinny and they, particularly women, get slammed with accusations of anorexia and bulimia. If you're a guy and you express preference for slimmer women then you're automatically a chauvinistic pig. Of course I don't really understand preference for a given body type since there are exceptionally attractive women of all races and body types
Spoiler:
I'm probably just a horny SoB though
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I think part of the backlash is that heavier people dislike the western media glorification of them and jealousy that most people can't eat whatever the hell they want without gaining weight. For example my brother is about 6'2" 190, that's not really a light weight, but it's mostly muscle so he looks like a stick still. The only reason he's gotten that heavy is because he's been a dedicated weightlifter for years and has to eat a minimum of 3,500-4,000 calories a day just to gain weight. If he didn't train he'd probably be around 170 tops which is pretty skinny for his height.
Haha not that one (and you are right, it's not suitable for the weak-stomached! ), usually this one comes up and "omg, that must be photoshopped!" comments
I can't believe people actually need to ask. It is obviously not remotely real. C'mon guys.
Easy E wrote:My wife has used the anime eye technique in her make-up on occassion. It is pretty striking how simple make-up tricks can cause so much of a change.
Plus, this thread did not have a link/imbed of the Barbie Song? I'm not use to such restraint from Dakka.
I seem to recall a skit I saw once called the Steroid Olympics. The weightlifter goes out to do his "Jerk and Lift" but his arms get ripped off instead.
^ This girl is actually an asian. the lens make her looks somewhat like half-whites but she's still asian for me. Oh! she's holding a product in question ! the lens are usually contained inside a brown canister.
A little late to the party, but I thought I'd give my obligatory warning on products like these. Cosmetic lenses are becoming increasingly popular in East Asia (to increase the size of the iris or pupil), and there are a lot of suspect suppliers. It doesn't take much to mess up your eyes and cause permanent damage, so just be cautious when purchasing and using cosmetic lenses. They are a medical device, and you should treat them seriously.
In the States I've seen cosmetic lenses for sale at anime/sci-fi conventions. Having a red or white pupil may sound cool, but eye infections and corneal scars are not.
Amaya wrote:
Not going to comment on women and this issue, but so called masculine men (read: beard and gut) do tend to take the piss out of so called girly men (read: slim, six pack, good looking).
This doesnt happen to me, Im fething essence of man, and the manly men dont take the piss because Im all kinds of awesome into the bargain!
Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising. Maybe if you acted super girly, and never drank, and only ate celery, and dressed like Beckham in one of them ridiculously beef shirts and a skirt. But frankly you want the piss taking out of you if you act like that.
If your a normal fit male in good shape, who eats pretty healthy, works out 5-6 days a week, I don't think people "tend" to take the piss at all. I've never once had a derogatory comment aimed at me for doing phys.
Modern blokes get it. Its better to look fit than fat, and it f your fitter you get more chicks. What could be more masculine than that?
Amaya wrote:
Not going to comment on women and this issue, but so called masculine men (read: beard and gut) do tend to take the piss out of so called girly men (read: slim, six pack, good looking).
This doesnt happen to me, Im fething essence of man, and the manly men dont take the piss because Im all kinds of awesome into the bargain!
Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising. Maybe if you acted super girly, and never drank, and only ate celery, and dressed like Beckham in one of them ridiculously beef shirts and a skirt. But frankly you want the piss taking out of you if you act like that.
If your a normal fit male in good shape, who eats pretty healthy, works out 5-6 days a week, I don't think people "tend" to take the piss at all. I've never once had a derogatory comment aimed at me for doing phys.
Modern blokes get it. Its better to look fit than fat, and it f your fitter you get more chicks. What could be more masculine than that?
Wrestling a bear with your bare hands? Which I crossed off my checklist last summer.
Amaya wrote:
Not going to comment on women and this issue, but so called masculine men (read: beard and gut) do tend to take the piss out of so called girly men (read: slim, six pack, good looking).
This doesnt happen to me, Im fething essence of man, and the manly men dont take the piss because Im all kinds of awesome into the bargain!
Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising. Maybe if you acted super girly, and never drank, and only ate celery, and dressed like Beckham in one of them ridiculously beef shirts and a skirt. But frankly you want the piss taking out of you if you act like that.
If your a normal fit male in good shape, who eats pretty healthy, works out 5-6 days a week, I don't think people "tend" to take the piss at all. I've never once had a derogatory comment aimed at me for doing phys.
Modern blokes get it. Its better to look fit than fat, and it f your fitter you get more chicks. What could be more masculine than that?
Wrestling a bear with your bare hands? Which I crossed off my checklist last summer.
Wrestling a bear is for little girl.
I kill bears merely by flexing in their general direction. They commit suicide out of pure envy.
mattyrm wrote: Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising.
A lot of the accusations of that nature in this thread are nothing more than desperate trolling, so I'd just ignore them.
mattyrm wrote: Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising.
A lot of the accusations of that nature in this thread are nothing more than desperate trolling, so I'd just ignore them.
You're not exactly familiar with the weightlifting subculture at all though. Individuals that train strictly for aesthetics are often mocked with a multitude of humorous insults, such as 'curl monkeys'. There are other examples, but you'd of course dismiss them as nonexistent simply due to a lack of familiarity.
mattyrm wrote: Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising.
A lot of the accusations of that nature in this thread are nothing more than desperate trolling, so I'd just ignore them.
You're not exactly familiar with the weightlifting subculture at all though. Individuals that train strictly for aesthetics are often mocked with a multitude of humorous insults, such as 'curl monkeys'. There are other examples, but you'd of course dismiss them as nonexistent simply due to a lack of familiarity.
I wasn't referring to weightlifting to begin with; that's your obsession, not mine.
mattyrm wrote: Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising.
A lot of the accusations of that nature in this thread are nothing more than desperate trolling, so I'd just ignore them.
Allow me to translate:
"Your should ignore anyone that doesn't agree with you, like I do, because I think I'm perfect. Everyone who disagrees must be a troll.."
Lone Cat wrote:'Anime eyes' thing was dated back to the early days of Manga prints. possibly post WW2 mangas.
By 1950s. Japan fully embraced American pop culture for the first time! never before had we seen a Japanese woman (usually H.O. ) dressing hollywood actress hairdo. and they have watched American-imported TV Cartoons for the first time. remember Disney's Mickey Mouse? , Looney toons's Bugs Bunny, and MGM's Tom & Jerry ? every characters seen in those flicks are all have a pair of oversized eyes! ... some Japs seen an opportunity to make 'Home-grown' cartoons had copied 'American cartoonish' looks into their own creations. the earliest Japanese 'cartoons' (example. the Big X) by then is an exact copies of Americans imports.
and those domestically created cartoons became popular!
And then completely butchered it because they're weird.
no No! it was simply forgotten when homegrown cartoons (mainly produced by Toei Doga) entered the stages of evolution.
the advance in the evolution progress. the more appeal to the locals than earlier ones.
mattyrm wrote: Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising.
A lot of the accusations of that nature in this thread are nothing more than desperate trolling, so I'd just ignore them.
Allow me to translate:
"Your should ignore anyone that doesn't agree with you, like I do, because I think I'm perfect. Everyone who disagrees must be a troll.."
Well, she is kind of like that most of the time, but she is right about a lot of things...with the exception of nutrition, training, and perceptions of beauty.
Lone Cat wrote:
LumenPraebeo wrote:
Lone Cat wrote:'Anime eyes' thing was dated back to the early days of Manga prints. possibly post WW2 mangas.
By 1950s. Japan fully embraced American pop culture for the first time! never before had we seen a Japanese woman (usually H.O. ) dressing hollywood actress hairdo. and they have watched American-imported TV Cartoons for the first time. remember Disney's Mickey Mouse? , Looney toons's Bugs Bunny, and MGM's Tom & Jerry ? every characters seen in those flicks are all have a pair of oversized eyes! ... some Japs seen an opportunity to make 'Home-grown' cartoons had copied 'American cartoonish' looks into their own creations. the earliest Japanese 'cartoons' (example. the Big X) by then is an exact copies of Americans imports.
and those domestically created cartoons became popular!
And then completely butchered it because they're weird.
no No! it was simply forgotten when homegrown cartoons (mainly produced by Toei Doga) entered the stages of evolution.
the advance in the evolution progress. the more appeal to the locals than earlier ones.
Strictly my opinion, Japanese culture had taken a turn for the worst in terms of weirdness after WW2. A lot of anime is pretty strange and borderline if not outright creepy. The realistic stuff (art style) is pretty damn good, such as Akira, Ghost in the Shell (movies and series), Paprika, etc. I apologize if this offensive, but I find it strange that a people derided for having smaller eyes (is this even really true? It seems like a myth to me) would create an art form full of bug eyed characters.
Manchu wrote:@All: Stop calling each other trolls.
Amaya wrote:[Well, she is kind of like that most of the time, but she is right about a lot of things...with the exception of nutrition, training, and perceptions of beauty.
My perception of beauty is certainly abnormal if you use societal measures; I actually tend to favor the looks of the average person over any extreme.
Eh, I don't even think there is a clear standard of beauty other than skinny, blonde, and white is attractive. There are dozens of star actresses that I don't consider remotely attractive and for some reason they're considered among the most beautiful woman on the planet? Walk around any college campus and you can find tons of girls of all ethnicities that are better looking.
Personally I think brown or black hair is better looking than blonde, but as always with fashion YMMV.
I also hate the huge amount of makeup you see on peoples' faces, it makes them ugly-- even men are somtimes guilty of this, which is odd. Makeup should be subtle, not obvious.
Melissia wrote:Personally I think brown or black hair is better looking than blonde, but as always with fashion YMMV.
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Do you know, I agree with you completely.. much prefer dark hair to blonde, and not only that the kind of skin colouring that goes with it.
I think Amaya was referring to the classical beauty trope, but it's interesting how that has come about. I don't know where the whole blonde obsession comes from to be honest, was it all down to that 'Gentleman prefer blondes film' and Marilyn Monroe?
Melissia wrote:Personally I think brown or black hair is better looking than blonde, but as always with fashion YMMV.
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Do you know, I agree with you completely.. much prefer dark hair to blonde, and not only that the kind of skin colouring that goes with it.
I think Amaya was referring to the classical beauty trope, but it's interesting how that has come about. I don't know where the whole blonde obsession comes from to be honest, was it all down to that 'Gentleman prefer blondes film' and Marilyn Monroe?
I'm actually referring to women such as Cameron Diaz and Charlize Theron who are considered 'beautiful'. They're pretty, but they're nothing to write home about. There are drop dead gorgeous women all over the world from every race and culture with every shade of hair, skin, and eye color imaginable. The stereotype that blonde women are more attractive is really strange, I think a lot of people realize that, but due to the overall rarity of blonde hair, having a blonde SO is considered a status symbol across the globe.
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mattyrm wrote:There are loads of gorgeous women in Nightclubs.. especially in Britain.
As far as beautiful women go, I think brazilian athletes are probably the most beautiful, though sadly Brazil seems to have an unfortunate fad where beautiful dark hair is dyed an ugly blonde color :/
I admit to being envious of some of these gorgeous heads of hair.
Pacific wrote:I don't know where the whole blonde obsession comes from to be honest, was it all down to that 'Gentleman prefer blondes film' and Marilyn Monroe?
Blonde hair has been theorized as being attractive as it is a good indicator of a potential mate's health. Blond hair occurs more frequently as you head north in Europe, into colder climates. The theory is that as you head into these colder climates, many other indicators of a potential mate's health may end up being hidden under layers of clothing. Blond hair is a mutation, (and also a recessive gene, I believe) and as with any mutation, in order for it to survive in the population, it needs to have conveyed some advantage. That advantage appears to be one of attracting a mate.
Blond hair loses luster and shine if you're malnourished, and even just with age. So it's a good indicator of health. Many of the traits commonly associated with traditional notions of beauty originate as indicators of general (and reproductive/genetic) health. Things like symmetrical features, broad shoulders in men, wide hips and full breasts in women (necessary for birthing and feeding children) are commonly found to be attractive. As another note, most studies seem to indicate that it's not so much big breasts and hips that are commonly perceived as attractive, but the right waist-to-hip ratio, which is why women like Monroe, who is much too big by modern standards, still retains her sex appeal in spite of modern trends.
Athleticism is also generally seen as a good indicator of health, which helps explain why there is attraction to the athletic body, such as with Melissia's Brazilians. Tricky thing here, though, is overly athletic women are often less fertile than their more average counterparts, so while being athletic is good, being too athletic is often considered less attractive in women (and why female bodybuilders are considered a fetish rather than beautiful). Our bodies just kind of know this stuff - we don't need to really think through all this when we see someone. But these traits are almost universally considered attractive, regardless of culture. Symmetry, ratios between certain body parts, and health.
So, the argument goes that given two potential mates in a colder climate, all bundled up, the one that you know is well fed and healthy, by virtue of having long blond hair, is a safer bet for a mate. Our instincts therefore lead us to an attraction to blonds. Of course, in the modern world, where being blond is a matter of buying a bottle of dye, and we can have surgery to change many of the other traits, the actual value of these attractive features for determine the eligibility of a potential mate drops considerably.
Manchu wrote:@All: Stop calling each other trolls.
Am I the only one that read that like a babysitter from my youth?
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Amaya wrote:He claims his arms got that big due to him injecting steroids directly into the bicep. I think he was using synthol.
Synthol freaks
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Yea thats the same outcome right there. I applaud people that are really into being fit and looking nice. I also marvel at people that power lift and get rather large muscle mass like those that do comps or strongman comps (specially the strongmen, good lord those guys are brutes) but when you go past that into the gak looking weird and all out of wack, that just looks terrible.
Melissia wrote:What responses are you guys talking about anyway? I only see someone whose obvious and quite desperate trolling resulted in me putting them on ignore. Let's stop talking about me and get back on topic. Not like they have anything of value to say anyway.
Mel If i met you in real life i would of given you a high five for that statement.
Anyway.
I like Women, If they have curves, tan skin, extremely attractive, and brown hair.... I go to then to then finally to then when i go ask them out i turn out with something like this or or Of course I am physically fit. And I apparently fit the Minority in America. That doesn't make any sense what so ever.
Melissia wrote:What responses are you guys talking about anyway? I only see someone whose obvious and quite desperate trolling resulted in me putting them on ignore. Let's stop talking about me and get back on topic. Not like they have anything of value to say anyway.
Mel If i met you in real life i would of given you a high five for that statement.
Anyway.
I like Women, If they have curves, tan skin, extremely attractive, and brown hair.... I go to then to then finally to then when i go ask them out i turn out with something like this or or Of course I am physically fit. And I apparently fit the Minority in America. That doesn't make any sense what so ever.
I have a Similar Situation to this.
Minor changes though: I look at a girl, our eyes meet and I can tell by the look in her eyes that she is just waiting for me to ask her out....So she can say no.
Of course I'm not physically fit( 5 foot 10 and 108 pounds. ) And While I do not fit in a minority, I could probably fit in a suitcase.
Amaya wrote:Kate Beckinsale makes up for all the unattractive British women and then some.
Kate Beckinsale is British? I KNEW THERE WAS A REASON I LIKED HER.
British women are hot.
Honestly, Red Heads, brown and black hair are the ones that get me all sorts of steamy. I prefer my women to be around my height, and while I do have a preference for slim, I'm not too picky. Meat is for the Man, Bone is for the Dog.
Amaya wrote:Kate Beckinsale makes up for all the unattractive British women and then some.
Kate Beckinsale is British? I KNEW THERE WAS A REASON I LIKED HER.
British women are hot.
Honestly, Red Heads, brown and black hair are the ones that get me all sorts of steamy. I prefer my women to be around my height, and while I do have a preference for slim, I'm not too picky. Meat is for the Man, Bone is for the Dog.
Men with DDs? Seriously though, there is nothing comparable to a good looking redhead. This is why there are so few of them, any more would drive men permanently insane in awe of their beauty.
Amaya wrote:Men with DDs? Seriously though, there is nothing comparable to a good looking redhead. This is why there are so few of them, any more would drive men permanently insane in awe of their beauty.
Slarg232 wrote:Meat is for the Man, Bone is for the Dog.
I'm just gunna leave this here and let my presence coupled with your imagination explain the joke for you
Leave it to OT to twist something like that
Asherian Command wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Amaya wrote:Kate Beckinsale makes up for all the unattractive British women and then some.
Kate Beckinsale is British? I KNEW THERE WAS A REASON I LIKED HER.
British women are hot.
Honestly, Red Heads, brown and black hair are the ones that get me all sorts of steamy. I prefer my women to be around my height, and while I do have a preference for slim, I'm not too picky. Meat is for the Man, Bone is for the Dog.
mattyrm wrote: Although, seriously, I dont think this happens very often in real life. I never heard anyone (Ive got plenty of fat mates) take the piss out of me for exercising.
A lot of the accusations of that nature in this thread are nothing more than desperate trolling, so I'd just ignore them.
Allow me to translate:
"Your should ignore anyone that doesn't agree with you, like I do, because I think I'm perfect. Everyone who disagrees must be a troll.."
Well, she is kind of like that most of the time, but she is right about a lot of things...with the exception of nutrition, training, and perceptions of beauty.
Ah, good to know. I'll spare myself the energy of trying to expand the perceptions of someone who has entrenched themselves so securely within their own little world; despite being goaded by passive-aggressive public announcements to ignore me.
Lone Cat wrote:'Anime eyes' thing was dated back to the early days of Manga prints. possibly post WW2 mangas.
By 1950s. Japan fully embraced American pop culture for the first time! never before had we seen a Japanese woman (usually H.O. ) dressing hollywood actress hairdo. and they have watched American-imported TV Cartoons for the first time. remember Disney's Mickey Mouse? , Looney toons's Bugs Bunny, and MGM's Tom & Jerry ? every characters seen in those flicks are all have a pair of oversized eyes! ... some Japs seen an opportunity to make 'Home-grown' cartoons had copied 'American cartoonish' looks into their own creations. the earliest Japanese 'cartoons' (example. the Big X) by then is an exact copies of Americans imports.
and those domestically created cartoons became popular!
And then completely butchered it because they're weird.
no No! it was simply forgotten when homegrown cartoons (mainly produced by Toei Doga) entered the stages of evolution.
the advance in the evolution progress. the more appeal to the locals than earlier ones.
Historical change of Anime Eyes in Japanese cartoons. Count back from 2000s at the top to Edo era at the bottom.
How to convert a real person's drawing to Anime Eyes.
I have to say that if i had the chance with her ide shag her hands down. That said i have to say a curvie girl in tight leather is not something i would say no to anyway.
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Slarg232 wrote:Meat is for the Man, Bone is for the Dog.
I'm just gunna leave this here and let my presence coupled with your imagination explain the joke for you
Melissia wrote:Personally I think brown or black hair is better looking than blonde, but as always with fashion YMMV.
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Do you know, I agree with you completely.. much prefer dark hair to blonde, and not only that the kind of skin colouring that goes with it.
I think Amaya was referring to the classical beauty trope, but it's interesting how that has come about. I don't know where the whole blonde obsession comes from to be honest, was it all down to that 'Gentleman prefer blondes film' and Marilyn Monroe?
I'm actually referring to women such as Cameron Diaz and Charlize Theron who are considered 'beautiful'. They're pretty, but they're nothing to write home about. There are drop dead gorgeous women all over the world from every race and culture with every shade of hair, skin, and eye color imaginable. The stereotype that blonde women are more attractive is really strange, I think a lot of people realize that, but due to the overall rarity of blonde hair, having a blonde SO is considered a status symbol across the globe.
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mattyrm wrote:There are loads of gorgeous women in Nightclubs.. especially in Britain.
Kate Beckinsale makes up for all the unattractive British women and then some.
1. So Amanya. what is a girl of your type?
Does Patcharapa C. turns you on? ...
2. Maybe the rarity of blonde girls (which naturally appears on whites ethnicity ONLY, Asians, Blacks, Arabians, Indians, native americans, and Hispanics are ALWAYS natually black haired). might contributes to the reasons why Blonde girls (and inevitably whites) are considered 'beauty standards'. Personally I'm fond of blonde white girls, rather than asians.
3. Woman beauty standard criteron; shapes. I DON'T really understands why ALL modelswoman has to be TALL. popstars are not neccessary tall to be attractive. look at my No.1 diva. Kylie Minogue.
www.kyliekonnect.com
whatchu think of her meow? she's only 155 cm. tall and (it is considered that) she has a pair of small boobs.
4. What do everyone here think of FTV? a french-based sattelite channel that dedicates to Fashion world.
For me. FTV contributes alot to the phenomina that Eastern European women (especially ex soviets) rules the runway/stage/catwalk (meow). blacks and asians are very few there.
interesting enough. Michel Adam Lisowski (the owner) is also a big fan of Pattaya as he usually has a cruise trip of his White yatch there. and have about 100 russian girls (who's also modelswoman) on board.
oops I almost forgot.. FTV stands for "Fashion TV"
5. Michel Adam Lisowski may buy that living barbie. I believe that he has a big harem fulls of russian chicks.
This is Michel Adam Lisowski. He favors a photography of himself sandwitched with (usually russian) modelswomen.
L.
Amaya wrote:Men with DDs? Seriously though, there is nothing comparable to a good looking redhead. This is why there are so few of them, any more would drive men permanently insane in awe of their beauty.
You got me.
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