Ive recently started a Imperial Armour tank company because LRBT are epic!
but looking at the cost, well what can i say, i'm a student - its never going to happen. so ive started trying to make them from scratch!
the idea is to do it in plasticard but all ive done so far is mock up a paper model to give me an idea of what, how and the scale.
i'll post the pics of this now while i'm cracking on with the plasticard model, its really lacking in detail but its just to see if my templates would work.
Stay tuned for updates in few days hopefully

Looks pretty good.

nice! look more detailed than my predators and vindictor customs

keep up the good work

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YELLOWBLADES wrote:nice! look more detailed than my predators and vindictor customs

keep up the good work

thanks people i'd like a look at them if there on here?

ok quick update! i was looking about and found some templates i made early this summer and forgot about there templated from the new kit so there longer and shorter than the older models.
but after seshing the Ragga i changed my templates and got the sides of the track sections done, what'ch think?

Ok another update, started work on the hull. got the shape done and most of the front. hvy bolter housing and vision slit along with the bit the turret sits on.
one really really really annoying thing is ive lost my feking green stuff!grrr! and i doubt i'll be able to get some till atleat tuesday, which sucks 'cus i cant smooth it all down:(
i also did the cover for the engine, not beautifully but it'll do

*scratches head* why am i not subbed to this thread??? hmmm... i know i saw this already... bet i didn´t leave a comment and so it got a bit forgotten...sorry mate^^

looks good... the sides look rather promising... all these lil cuts that takes a true enthusiast to see it through! the basic shape is even now very recognizable...


what will you take for the treads? will you scratchbuilt them too or get some bitz to make them?...

anyways... good luck with that build!

cheers, vik

Viktor von Domm wrote:*scratches head* why am i not subbed to this thread??? hmmm... i know i saw this already... bet i didn´t leave a comment and so it got a bit forgotten...sorry mate^^

looks good... the sides look rather promising... all these lil cuts that takes a true enthusiast to see it through! the basic shape is even now very recognizable...


what will you take for the treads? will you scratchbuilt them too or get some bitz to make them?...

anyways... good luck with that build!

cheers, vik

Cheers man! yeah it does, glad some one realizes
yeah iv'e been thinking about the treads, scratch building good ones with even simple interlocking spurs will be time consuming, but other than some far to small airfix ones my minds come up a blank, any ideas...anyone?

actually yes... i have quite some ideas...

you might follow my footsteps and do the treads i did from cardboard on my second tank...tho they are very brutalist looking...go to my gallery called imperial armor...

or you could follow shasolenzabis lead and make your treads after his work...he has no differently named galleries tho so this might take a while to reach his self made ones from plasiccard...

Are they the overlapping treads with a curve in them? i remember looking at them now...yesss, i may steel the overlapping idea if thats ok. And were might i find this shasolenzabis???

steal away freely... a holepunch set will do you much good for this!

and here is shaso´s thread... very helpfull in tank designing... so many ideas there... that man has the knowing of tanks that is second to none! hios thread is a bit big tho... but cramped with useful step by step too...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326377.page

Viktor von Domm wrote:steal away freely... a holepunch set will do you much good for this!

and here is shaso´s thread... very helpfull in tank designing... so many ideas there... that man has the knowing of tanks that is second to none! hios thread is a bit big tho... but cramped with useful step by step too...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326377.page

WOW! you weren't kidding, i gave it a brief look i willl admit, but i think i wont buy tread, to poor.
yes good idea... might help me with some *hushed tones* 'rivets'.

just drawn out two heavy tank ideas, will post them on the morrow wen Ive gone over them in pen, for now though bed!

It looks really good! great job so far. the sides look amazing.

How many of these are you going to build?
I also second that the LRBT is awesome. (thumbsup)

Keep it up! I'm looking forward to see more!


And vik... Man you are everywhere... Here I am, Thinking that I have found an awesome scratchbuilding thread before anyone else in the league but no no.

DiDDe wrote:It looks really good! great job so far. the sides look amazing.

How many of these are you going to build?
I also second that the LRBT is awesome. (thumbsup)

Keep it up! I'm looking forward to see more!


And vik... Man you are everywhere... Here I am, Thinking that I have found an awesome scratchbuilding thread before anyone else in the league but no no.

Cheers! i did put alot of effort in to them., good, your right!LRBT ftw!
well i planned a Armored company, (posted somewere) i think its got about 9 russes of assorted variants,
the question is weather i'll have the will power to build 8 of them! (got a gw kit).

and sorry about vik, my fault, i may have alerted him to it for help

ofcourse you have the will power to build 8 of them!

Have you seen mxwllmdr's work? he's making 8 warhound titans at the same time.

why don't you make the rest of the russes at the same time too? in that way it might be easier to handle the will power.. instead of finishing one and knowing that you have to do a couple of more.

eigther way.. whatever you do, don't forget the rivets!

DiDDe wrote:ofcourse you have the will power to build 8 of them!

Have you seen mxwllmdr's work? he's making 8 warhound titans at the same time.

why don't you make the rest of the russes at the same time too? in that way it might be easier to handle the will power.. instead of finishing one and knowing that you have to do a couple of more.

eigther way.. whatever you do, don't forget the rivets!

Production line way, thought about it, but need to perfect the design 1st before i mass produce loads and yeah i'm subbed, its epic!
ohh Emperor, i think i may ban talk of rivets on the thread before it starts

they will follow anyeays... rivets sort of pop up^^

and didde you are kind of omnipresent too... see you on lots of thread too^^...so who is the stalker from whom^^

oh well.
ok quick update, and tank concepts as promised.
addedsome hooks ok the front and put the engine on.
need to add the shell box and i cant do the exughts till i get some tubing:(

Thought ide explain my tanks, one is just because i think one punisher cannon isnt enough, so i gave it two, and two heavy bolter's to bulk it up, was thinking land raider sort of rules? not supper heavy but i dont know. the second is a heavy transport with 4 heavy bolter at the front with an assault door. also it has a troop firing platform for 10 men, which, if its stationary that turn, can stand on top and use the two heavy stubbers while using the protection of the amour and cant be engaged in combat.

cool update mister! the tank looks really good...with the vent attached...

your drawings however look really super! tho i am not a fan of the lying eight shaped tank treads... four seperate treads? saw that in some anime i think... but not really my style but expertly drawn nevertheless! the more classic aproach of the tracks on the other sketches are more up my alley... and i think with some extra punisher power you can never go fail^^... heck i love the gatling system way to much^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:cool update mister! the tank looks really good...with the vent attached...

your drawings however look really super! tho i am not a fan of the lying eight shaped tank treads... four seperate treads? saw that in some anime i think... but not really my style but expertly drawn nevertheless! the more classic aproach of the tracks on the other sketches are more up my alley... and i think with some extra punisher power you can never go fail^^... heck i love the gatling system way to much^^

Thank you, its getting there!
Sadly i dont think i'll be doing to much today, to hung over

been thinking about more tanks though and looked around on the web for some vehicles, might do a few more idea on paper.
thanks about the drawings, yeah...i think it looks futuristic though, which i think ig should have more of.

yeah, love gatling guns, been thinking about doing some Vulcan style ones for my Ig as heavy weapons.

Thats looking cool !

AlfonsoTheTraitor wrote:Thats looking cool !

thanks mate!stay tunned

all i could be bothered to do today
ones a transport, based on a real apc, much like the rhino, the second is abit like a ball preditor with to assullt cannons and a multimelta.
other one is heavy weapons troopers, enjoy!


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come to think about it now, they atchally look alot like sm tanks:(

nice concepts... i couldn´´t do much hobbywork myself too...

so in essence you want a bit more modern looking look for your IG? hmm...more modern even than today´s tanks or something in the lines of nowadays tanks? the rhino counts as looks like the M113 a bit... which is a good thing!^^


how do you think you wanted to rivet these designs then? or maybe at all even? with more modern looking tanks you could even skip this...not that i would suggest this in any serious way

Cheers!

some wear between supper modern and today, so sort of a moderate modern marginally futuristic

...errm :/ if i got one of those hole punch things when i have some cash, but atm i don't think i can be bothered to rivet :s

really misjudged the size of the turret, and now i'm really not sure how to design the turret. will up load a pic in a sec ...

well if you are not too keen on making a paintjob too early then you can get away with the riveting for now... but adding them post painting seems not really a good strategy to me^^

looking forward to new pic then^^

like i said i was in NO mood for this today, but i wanted progress......
now i dont even like the shape, help please dakka

well the shape is a bit complicated... too big for once...and i would ahve made the side walls more angled if i was you...so in essence i woul pry away the top of the thing and cut of a quarter of an inch from the rim on each side...thus making the top the same shape but smaller and this would create and angular look... not that coffin shape it currently has...


did i make myself clear on that?tech speak is not my best part of my language skills^^

yes. yeah you made your ideas perfectly clear. well its better than my technical language skills in german?
sound like a good idea, might change the whole shape though:/

well... changing it completley... what will it be then? if i could make a suggestion... the longer sidepanel... the one that builds the peak up front... i would shorten that at least for a third... later on i would attach fuel barrels at the back of the turret... for realism it is rather stupid but might look good...

yep, defantly shorten it...and add something on the back, cheers >>>bed

lol... bedtime should have happened for me long ago too^^


see ya^^

2nd page, feth yeah!

my hand had the shakes earlier from using a strimmer :s ut it calmed down and i finished the turret

...and now i stuck the track sides on, thing i did a decent job, it starting to look like a white russ, proper proud

all i have left to do is the treads, exughts, smooth it down with green stuff & paint it! XD

what'ch think guys?

Looking GREAT! Keep it up, and they'll be begging you to join the League.

Also, check this place out for templates for scratchbuilding: http://games.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/bwc-archive/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=1

Briancj wrote:Looking GREAT! Keep it up, and they'll be begging you to join the League.

Also, check this place out for templates for scratchbuilding: http://games.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/bwc-archive/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=1

cheers man

...the League?

and do i have to join to view? i used www.build 40k.com for some templates;/

The League of Extraordinary Riveters. You'll see them wander into your thread soon enough. Watch people's signatures.

And, yeah, you have to join, but they don't spam you. They have really great templates in there, well worth it.

Briancj wrote:The League of Extraordinary Riveters. You'll see them wander into your thread soon enough. Watch people's signatures.

And, yeah, you have to join, but they don't spam you. They have really great templates in there, well worth it.

cool. i''l sign up. yeah, seen 'em you LOER!
nice missiles btw;~)

I am not a member of the League. MORE MISSILES!

Briancj wrote:I am not a member of the League. MORE MISSILES!

:0 why not!? you got the idea

stonned_astartes wrote:

Briancj wrote:I am not a member of the League. MORE MISSILES!

:0 why not!? you got the idea

I'm just a kitbasher, not a scratchbuilder.

don't know, i'd say that nuketank was pretty 'sculpted', alot of resourceful creativeness there.

At your request, here I am!

Npoe for the muzzle break, I recommend a file, and make some "vents" for the Battle cannon, you have some very interesting ideas, I would avoid the figure eight treads.

Ah, I both Kit Bash as well as Scratch build, to be a =L='er, you must also use RIVETS!

thank you for your presence

muzzle break? been thinking bout the vents, will do for sure.

yeah does look a bit plain compared to your riveted kings, cheers!

Otherwise, the shape looks tight, love the louvered engine vent concept!




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Easiest if the copy of the Phaeton pattern turret, once you get more comfortable with the making of things,m the more Germanic angled turrets will be easier to tackle.

cheers again!

which is the phaeton pattern turret?

The older Leman kits used what GW called the Phaeton pattern turret

Yeah sick! i have the templates for the old ones

stonned_astartes wrote:Yeah sick! i have the templates for the old ones

Okay, good

the new turret looks very good... with all those added details it looks very good...!

and with some further added details *coughsrivetscoughs* you are on the road to winning^^

and yes...for the leaque i have to see rivets aplenty first...

and brian...kitbashing or scratchbuilding...either way... the devotion of rivets is what matters!

i have no riveting enabling devices unfortunately :(

well if you have styrene rods then just slice´em! that is always a good start... or if you want more rounded rivets then you could drill small holes in the armor plates and add small beads as rivets... and shaso did many of his creations with PVA glue rivets...

hmmmm :/ i shall ponder this, maybe some on the track gauds

aye! you will see it adds a ton of awesomesauce to any scratchbuild model!

^ Can't agree more! a model without rivets looks ok.. But a model WITH rivets looks awesomely amazing!

Plus it adds to the look of realism..






OH! And btw, That new turret looks amazing! did you sculp that "commanders hatch"?

Where I come from we call that Bad Ass !

at didde... i bet that´s some SM rhino or predator hatch...

DiDDe wrote:^ Can't agree more! a model without rivets looks ok.. But a model WITH rivets looks awesomely amazing!

Plus it adds to the look of realism..
OH! And btw, That new turret looks amazing! did you sculp that "commanders hatch"?

AlfonsoTheTraitor wrote:Where I come from we call that Bad Ass !

Viktor von Domm wrote:at didde... i bet that´s some SM rhino or predator hatch...

yes it is

tanks duudes!
rivets will be added

"yes it is" what what did you answer?

Yes, he salvaged a spare rhino cupola for his tanks, I do the same thing on my scratch built beauties.

Now to see the rivets,,,,Oh yeah, I used the small tips from superglue like on Zap-a -Gap on a PVA glue bottle small enough to fit it and learned how to size the glue almost liie a candy maker in that PVA rivet method!

follow this man´s lead and you are set! sounds easy but isn´t...but when you get the hang of it you get the cheapest but good looking rivets around!!!

DiDDe wrote:"yes it is" what what did you answer?

oops. it is sm

pva glue they said, so pva glue i'll try

...catching up on sleep atm

sleep? whazzat?

hey, been quite busy resently, away for the weekend to! 1st festival of the season!

but i have started on the treads, i used vik's idea but changed the shape to a more modern 1...what'ch all think?

yes!!! that is looking good already... what i wold like you to do next is make very thin straps of either cardboard or even paper and add them to each treadshoe... that would look cool...and maybe two rivets each... and a small hint from me... use rubber bands and lots of pva... to get the curve you are now facing done right...! at least use two bands of rubber to get the pressure even!!

Viktor von Domm wrote:yes!!! that is looking good already... what i wold like you to do next is make very thin straps of either cardboard or even paper and add them to each treadshoe... that would look cool...and maybe two rivets each... and a small hint from me... use rubber bands and lots of pva... to get the curve you are now facing done right...! at least use two bands of rubber to get the pressure even!!

thats not a shabby idea, A'thnk'yu sir!

and you mean give the treads like a second layer on each?

aye... exactly! second layer so to speak... and since you did them with cardboard you are free to make cardboard or even pva rivets on those treads...

cba, with the rivets, takeing long enough as it is lyk.
i'll put some rivets on the sides, promise x

Rivet time!

Done a little more progress on the treads, it going slow though :(

Making individual track shoes takes time and effort!

keep the faith mate!!!

Viktor von Domm wrote:keep the faith mate!!!

shasolenzabi wrote:Making individual track shoes takes time and effort!

Enit! thanks guys, ill try an get som greenstuff in the next few weeks and fin it

finnished! with rivetsall 10 of them. will try an start painting it this week haaa

stonned_astartes wrote:finnished! with rivetsall 10 of them. will try an start painting it this week haaa

I really hope you mean tens of thousands there mate

nope said i wasn't keen on rivets, there surely an outdated method in the 41st milenium

Haha yeah! And that seems to go for suspention on tanks too. ;D Totaly outdated..

Anyway i'm sure it'll come out great without rivets!

tanks, sprayed it, its looking promising

pics... or it didn´t happen... you know the drill...tstststs...

all in gud time

stonned_astartes wrote:hey, been quite busy resently, away for the weekend to! 1st festival of the season!

but i have started on the treads, i used vik's idea but changed the shape to a more modern 1...what'ch all think?

1. How will the track linking system be?
2. How will track shoe design be? will it follows classic Leman Russ pattern or will it looks like Rhino or Landraider ?

Lone Cat wrote:
1. How will the track linking system be?
2. How will track shoe design be? will it follows classic Leman Russ pattern or will it looks like Rhino or Landraider ?

if you look near the top of the page you will see the design

^ wait! that is merely a paper mockup outline! i've posted those lines AFTER i've observed the said paper mockup!!

judging from the look. i believe that you're using simple pinlock as track section linking system

Nope, thats the real deal, an its card

and wrong again i used pva glue!

a pic, finealyyy

i had to scroll back again to see how you built it... boy that build came out way good!!! and the red is pretty dashing too already!

Now look at the model in plastic next to you scratch build, it has rivets! in the 41st millenium retro is in the house! that means RIVETS!!!


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Oh Vik, you have lost your =L= banner?

lol... too many quotes it seems^^

and yeah... you gotta have rivets! it´s the law!

I'm an anarchist :( sorry guys. + i don't have the equipment, or the funds to buy rivet making equipment.

But thanks i'm not sure if i want to camo it with bone or give it backwards slanting stripes of bone.

hey... take a look at shasos stuff.... he uses liquide rivets...aka. PVA from a really thn and small bottle... making lil drops than then get you nice and round rivets.... cheaper rivets aren´t possible...

seen it, did it.


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got the t-shirt

not on the t-shirt... on the tank

ohhhh....:/ oh gak

hehehehehe

Got him good Vik!

yup^^

yeah well we got youin WW2! yeah i went there!

hurhurhur...

decided to build a minigun emplacement

you may know that already... but the gatling is my all time favorite mowergun!!! awaiting eagerly new updates!!!

:L yes but its always nice to say gatling gun!
sadly you know fast updates are not my foretay, but soon, soon

lol.... gatling gun

and well... bought the ticket...saw the film...heard it in the news.....

Finished! took long enough, but it looks quite good finished in red and bone camo will up loads pic next week if i can!

welcome back...! and well you know how this goes... pics or it didn´t happen

:L i know i know, but thought i'd let you know till i do

we´re here^^

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
welcome back...! and well you know how this goes... pics or it didn´t happen

This!

http://web.archive.org/web/20081009013021/http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/25trojan.htm

Looks good, and if you have enough bits to add detail it'll be amazing.