Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
Either you live in Somalia or you suffer massive paranoia.
I walk the streets in confidence that I live in a rich suburb that rolls up the sidewalks at night, and has too many police with not enough to do. I also am not dumb enough to go places where I need to worry about that sort of thing. "Well, going to my local GW, better make sure I have enough ammo to get there..."
TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
Either you live in Somalia or you suffer massive paranoia.
OR I hardly notice the weight? I take them because I can, they don't bother me, and I'd rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them?
This isn't me preaching that anyone who doesn't own a gun is begging for the government to enslave them, I'm not that kind of person. I'm simply touching base with what sort of involvement Dakka has in self-defense. It could be karate classes you go to, for all I care, it doesn't matter.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
Either you live in Somalia or you suffer massive paranoia.
OR I hardly notice the weight?
You can barely notice the weight, live in Somalia, and be massively paranoid all at the same time.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
Either you live in Somalia or you suffer massive paranoia.
OR I hardly notice the weight?
You can barely notice the weight, live in Somalia, and be massively paranoid all at the same time.
That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't bother me, it CERTAINLY shouldn't bother you, and I'd rather, as stated, have it than not need it than need it and not have it.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
I'm an 8th degree Grand Dragon Badass in Internet battleaxe swinging. Plus I pal around with this guy. He's a natural born killer.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
Either you live in Somalia or you suffer massive paranoia.
OR I hardly notice the weight?
You can barely notice the weight, live in Somalia, and be massively paranoid all at the same time.
In fact if you live in Somalia, the other two are highly likely!
I used to live in quite a rough area, St Pauls in Bristol, and saw all manner of weaponry being flaunted about by gansta type crack dealers standing round the streets, and I've never carried a weapon of any type on my person. The best weapon you can ever carry is self awareness, don't get into stupid situations and you'll be alright.
TermiesInARaider wrote:
That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't bother me, it CERTAINLY shouldn't bother you, and I'd rather, as stated, have it than not need it than need it and not have it.
I live in what's touted as one of the most dangerous cities in the US, and I feel safe walking the streets at night without any weapons. I think it's telling about a person when they report they wander around armed as such. What would I do if I got jumped? Hard telling. Run maybe? Casually hand over my empty wallet with a polite smile and then cancel my debit/credit card 5 minutes later? Take a swing back? Depends upon the situation. I'll let you know when it becomes a valid concern.
dæl wrote:I used to live in quite a rough area, St Pauls in Bristol, and saw all manner of weaponry being flaunted about by gansta type crack dealers standing round the streets, and I've never carried a weapon of any type on my person. The best weapon you can ever carry is self awareness, don't get into stupid situations and you'll be alright.
QFT. An unarmed, reasonable friend is more valuable in ANY situation, violent or not, than a reckless idiot, no matter what he's carrying.
dæl wrote:I used to live in quite a rough area, St Pauls in Bristol, and saw all manner of weaponry being flaunted about by gansta type crack dealers standing round the streets, and I've never carried a weapon of any type on my person. The best weapon you can ever carry is self awareness, don't get into stupid situations and you'll be alright.
QFT. An unarmed, reasonable friend is more valuable in ANY situation, violent or not, than a reckless idiot, no matter what he's carrying.
Exactly, you can trip him up and use him as a distraction while you make your getaway.
TermiesInARaider wrote:That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't bother me, it CERTAINLY shouldn't bother you, and I'd rather, as stated, have it than not need it than need it and not have it.
I don't think I'm the one missing the point here. For starters, my response just pointed out that yours didn't address the point at all. The weight of a thing has nothing to do with why you carry it. Second, I didn't say you were paranoid or living in Somalia, I just said you can do that all three can be done at once.
With all the people wandering around with knives and clubs I would be worried too.
TermiesInARaider wrote:That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't bother me, it CERTAINLY shouldn't bother you, and I'd rather, as stated, have it than not need it than need it and not have it.
I don't think I'm the one missing the point here. For starters, my response just pointed out that yours didn't address the point at all. The weight of a thing has nothing to do with why you carry it. Second, I didn't say you were paranoid or living in Somalia, I just said you can do that all three can be done at once.
With all the people wandering around with knives and clubs I would be worried too.
I carry it because it comforts me. Do I need any other reason? It's legal in my area, so there's certainly no reason why I CAN'T. The only reason you've given, and correct me if I'm mistaken, that I SHOULDN'T is because it's excessive, which, IMHO, is highly subjective and nearly quantifiable.
Grew up in camden in london, moved to sommers town in portsmouth, now in rowner in gosport, all equally gakky places to live.
Never once carried or felt the need to carry a weapon.
So, whats your plan?
Pull out a weapon in self defence and have 3 or 4 other people do the same to you?
If you cant fight without the use of a weapon (that can be taken off you and used) then dont bother thinking of the idea.
Being streetwise and knowing what you are doing is the only thing you really need.
Jackal wrote:Grew up in camden in london, moved to sommers town in portsmouth, now in rowner in gosport, all equally gakky places to live.
Never once carried or felt the need to carry a weapon.
So, whats your plan?
Pull out a weapon in self defence and have 3 or 4 other people do the same to you?
If you cant fight without the use of a weapon (that can be taken off you and used) then dont bother thinking of the idea.
Being streetwise and knowing what you are doing is the only thing you really need.
A reasonable and accurate statement. I'd never carry anything if I didn't know what to do with them.
Saying that about being outside, I have a katana in my house and I do indeed pity the fool that tries the olde breaking and entering. I doubt I'd hit them with it, just run at them with it above my head screaming, and then kick them in the knees repeatedly. Misdirection ftw.
dæl wrote:Saying that about being outside, I have a katana in my house and I do indeed pity the fool that tries the olde breaking and entering. I doubt I'd hit them with it, just run at them with it above my head screaming, and then kick them in the knees repeatedly. Misdirection ftw.
Frazzled wrote:Yea but it takes a manly manly to wander around with a chainsaw.
I was at Lowes the other day and mentioned that the 24V Cordless Chainsaw was a real gamechanger for chainsaw murderers...
I feel the Lumberjack Song starting in the back of my mind....
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TermiesInARaider wrote:Weaponry aside, since we could easily debate that all day, is there anyone who practices some kind of martial art, even as a sport/hobby?
Its the reason I hobble around now. Ancient Budha say 20,000 kicks make man not walk good.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Weaponry aside, since we could easily debate that all day, is there anyone who practices some kind of martial art, even as a sport/hobby?
TermiesInARaider wrote:Weaponry aside, since we could easily debate that all day, is there anyone who practices some kind of martial art, even as a sport/hobby?
Weaponry is a sport. Martial arts is for amateurs.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Weaponry aside, since we could easily debate that all day, is there anyone who practices some kind of martial art, even as a sport/hobby?
I practice Punch douchebags in het gezicht en uit te voeren voordat de politie daar I'm the grand master of the art.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Weaponry aside, since we could easily debate that all day, is there anyone who practices some kind of martial art, even as a sport/hobby?
TermiesInARaider wrote:Weaponry aside, since we could easily debate that all day, is there anyone who practices some kind of martial art, even as a sport/hobby?
Used to. Turns out Judo is hell on your knees.
Ouch. D: I'd suggest, if you're interested, Tai Chi or Aikido. They're very easy on the body, or so I've heard.
Did karate (but a pretty westernised version I know now) for years about a decade ago, and have been looking for somewhere to do either Krav Maga, or Ninjitsu but live in a pretty small city these days, there's somewhere that does Wing Chun so might do that but its a bit meh imo.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Weaponry aside, since we could easily debate that all day, is there anyone who practices some kind of martial art, even as a sport/hobby?
TermiesInARaider wrote:Weaponry aside, since we could easily debate that all day, is there anyone who practices some kind of martial art, even as a sport/hobby?
dæl wrote:Did karate (but a pretty westernised version I know now) for years about a decade ago, and have been looking for somewhere to do either Krav Maga, or Ninjitsu but live in a pretty small city these days, there's somewhere that does Wing Chun so might do that but its a bit meh imo.
Krav Maga and Ninjutsu are both very solid, though be careful where you learn KM, some of the places around me are very dodgy. Since there's no belt-system, AFAIK, it can be hard to find someone with good credentials. YMMV.
I find Wing Chun to be a bit dated, but Jeet Kune Do is based off of it, and is very effective. If it's available around you, you may want to check that out.
dæl wrote:Did karate (but a pretty westernised version I know now) for years about a decade ago, and have been looking for somewhere to do either Krav Maga, or Ninjitsu but live in a pretty small city these days, there's somewhere that does Wing Chun so might do that but its a bit meh imo.
Krav Maga and Ninjutsu are both very solid, though be careful where you learn KM, some of the places around me are very dodgy. Since there's no belt-system, AFAIK, it can be hard to find someone with good credentials. YMMV.
I find Wing Chun to be a bit dated, but Jeet Kune Do is based off of it, and is very effective. If it's available around you, you may want to check that out.
I believe Wing Chun was the first martial art that Bruce Lee learned.
I carry a pocket knife clipped to my pants pocket, but its mostly for being convenient, but obviously it can double as a defense weapon. Ive only pulled it once with the intention of ruining someones attempts at stupid. I was standing at a urinal and as a weird thing I always do, I watch behind me using the chrome plumbing on them. I noticed this guy came in and started staring at me pretty heavily, and then started to almost pace and the dude never took his eyes off me. So I finished real quick and as I turned I pulled and unfolded my knife real quick and simply told him "Your about to be stupid, DONT" And then he kindda just buggered off. Soooo, guess Im glad I carry one anyways
Always learning, but I am currently practicing Muay thai, mma and small circle ju jitsu. purely for self confidence and self defence, not competetive just fun and fitness with some friends of mine who happen to be instructors and security personnel..... good guys to know
TermiesInARaider wrote:I carry it because it comforts me. Do I need any other reason? It's legal in my area, so there's certainly no reason why I CAN'T.
And I never said you couldn't or that you shouldn't.
TermiesInARaider wrote:The only reason you've given, and correct me if I'm mistaken, that I SHOULDN'T is because it's excessive, which, IMHO, is highly subjective and nearly quantifiable.
Then I shall correct you. I have made no statement regarding whether you should or shouldn't carry the weapons.
nerdfest09 wrote:Always learning, but I am currently practicing Muay thai, mma and small circle ju jitsu. purely for self confidence and self defence, not competetive just fun and fitness with some friends of mine who happen to be instructors and security personnel..... good guys to know
Awesome, awesome, and awesome. If you're an MMA fan, check out Cung Le. Some of the most impressive striking I've ever seen.
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Ahtman wrote:
TermiesInARaider wrote:I carry it because it comforts me. Do I need any other reason? It's legal in my area, so there's certainly no reason why I CAN'T.
And I never said you couldn't or that you shouldn't.
TermiesInARaider wrote:The only reason you've given, and correct me if I'm mistaken, that I SHOULDN'T is because it's excessive, which, IMHO, is highly subjective and nearly quantifiable.
Then I shall correct you. I have made no statement regarding whether you should or shouldn't carry the weapons.
Then, excuse me if I'm being rude, but what exactly are you saying? Because whatever it is, I'm missing it.
nerdfest09 wrote:Always learning, but I am currently practicing Muay thai, mma and small circle ju jitsu. purely for self confidence and self defence, not competetive just fun and fitness with some friends of mine who happen to be instructors and security personnel..... good guys to know
Awesome, awesome, and awesome. If you're an MMA fan, check out Cung Le. Some of the most impressive striking I've ever seen.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Then, excuse me if I'm being rude, but what exactly are you saying, then? Because whatever it is, I'm missing it.
Reread the thread. I think you are confusing my posts with someone else perhaps. All I said was that the weight of items has no bearing on either being paranoid or living in Somalia. It was an odd response like someone asking why you are going to Florida for vacation and you responding that your shirt doesn't fit quite right. If you wanted to address their question the response has nothing to do with the weight. They asked, essentially, why you felt the need to carry all the weapons around and your response was that the weight didn't bother you, which doesn't really answer the question.
TermiesInARaider wrote:I carry it because it comforts me. Do I need any other reason? It's legal in my area, so there's certainly no reason why I CAN'T.
Not if you live in NYC it's not.
[size:14pt]Seminary Student Sentenced to Community Service in Stop-and-Frisk Plea Deal[/size]
MANHATTAN CRIMINAL COURT — A Christian ministry student who was arrested on his first-ever visit to the Big Apple after a cop found a one-inch blade in his pocket during a stop-and-frisk was sentenced to two days of community service and a fine Monday.
Considering that Clayton Baltzer, 19, starts his annual summer gig working with special needs children at the Arrowhead Bible Camp near his Pennsylvania college on Friday, Baltzer will likely complete his sentence by Saturday night.
On the Inside first reported Baltzer's story Monday morning just before the city’s most unassuming perpetrator appeared in Manhattan Criminal Court along with scores of real miscreants in handcuffs.
Baltzer and his relieved father, Tim, drove 11 hours on Sunday to get here from Columbus, Ohio home in time for Clayton Baltzer's court date. They said they could not wait to pay the $125 fine and get back in their car for the 500 mile ride home.
TermiesInARaider wrote:I carry it because it comforts me. Do I need any other reason? It's legal in my area, so there's certainly no reason why I CAN'T.
Not if you live in NYC it's not.
[size:14pt]Seminary Student Sentenced to Community Service in Stop-and-Frisk Plea Deal[/size]
MANHATTAN CRIMINAL COURT — A Christian ministry student who was arrested on his first-ever visit to the Big Apple after a cop found a one-inch blade in his pocket during a stop-and-frisk was sentenced to two days of community service and a fine Monday.
Considering that Clayton Baltzer, 19, starts his annual summer gig working with special needs children at the Arrowhead Bible Camp near his Pennsylvania college on Friday, Baltzer will likely complete his sentence by Saturday night.
On the Inside first reported Baltzer's story Monday morning just before the city’s most unassuming perpetrator appeared in Manhattan Criminal Court along with scores of real miscreants in handcuffs.
Baltzer and his relieved father, Tim, drove 11 hours on Sunday to get here from Columbus, Ohio home in time for Clayton Baltzer's court date. They said they could not wait to pay the $125 fine and get back in their car for the 500 mile ride home.
Ahtman wrote:why you are going to Florida for vacation and you responding that your shirt doesn't fit quite right.
I'm going because I'm too fat for my current shirts, so I need some Hawaiian shirts, because they always fit no matter how large you are, and I don't have time to fly all the way to Hawaii, so I have to settle for as authentic as I can get them.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Then, excuse me if I'm being rude, but what exactly are you saying, then? Because whatever it is, I'm missing it.
Reread the thread. I think you are confusing my posts with someone else perhaps. All I said was that the weight of items has no bearing on either being paranoid or living in Somalia. It was an odd response like someone asking why you are going to Florida for vacation and you responding that your shirt doesn't fit quite right. If you wanted to address their question the response has nothing to do with the weight. They asked, essentially, why you felt the need to carry all the weapons around and your response was that the weight didn't bother you, which doesn't really answer the question.
Aha. In which case, I would tell that person that it sets me at ease, while at the same time posing next to no hindrance on me. My apologies.
mattyrm wrote: I have little interest in acting tough on the internet.
Why walk with a knife in America anyway?! Your in the gak if you pull it on some fether and he whips a piece out!
Thats why I say, I carry one for daily use, like opening boxes/packages and such. But as said before on other threads, Id rather have a knife then my fists
mattyrm wrote: I have little interest in acting tough on the internet.
Why walk with a knife in America anyway?! Your in the gak if you pull it on some fether and he whips a piece out!
Carrying a knife in combat is a good way to end up with a knife in your body, I've always figured roughly the same concept apllies to the civilian world. Plus my effective range with a knife is limited by my arms which are kind of stubby. I have no interest in being stabbed, being tough on the Internet is just a side benefit.
mattyrm wrote: I have little interest in acting tough on the internet.
Why walk with a knife in America anyway?! Your in the gak if you pull it on some fether and he whips a piece out!
To be honest, I've only used it for peeling oranges/opening boxes/other mundanities. I mean, I overstated the blade, its maybe 2-1/2 inches long? Cheap stainless steel. Not exactly a Fairbairn-Sikes, or KA-BAR, or something crazy.
Nobody's trying to act tough. Self-defense and martial arts are commonplace in the modern world, and I simply wanted to discuss with people. That's all.
Personally I much prefer to be weaponless in a situation that may necessitate self defence, you can train and learn how to defend or diffuse a confrontation with someone and at the same time be ready for what may eventuate, especially if attacked by a blade, I put more trust in myself bare handed than i would ever have if i was carrying a knife! and then you also know that wherever you are and whatever you are doing you can still protect those around you without aid. mind you i'm not bruce lee and as I mentioned earlier i'm still very much learning and haven't been in a situation where i have had to protect myself for a very long time so I can't say with certainty that i would be even thinking right when confronted again, honestly distance and a clear head are the best options in my book, if they can't reach you they can't strike you.... simple be where they're not
looks at mere 'guns'. That's not a self defense weapon. Now THIS is a self defense weapon....
The Mk19 belt fed grenade launcher. Don't leave home without it. j/k
On a more serious note, escalation is a bitch, and I carry a gun with me whenever possible. Then again, I'm in a third world nation that's supposedly an ally of the US. Sadly, this is a step up from ytown, which, though no longer on the list of the US most dangerous cities, briefly eclipsed St Louis and NY combined for per capita murders during my youth, and inspired the term 'Youngstown tune-up' as a synonym for 'car bomb'. During this period, my father used an antique howitzer (24lber pointed down the main hallway of the house) as a home defense weapon. Fortunately, he only ever had to fire it once.
My preferred tactic would be a karate chop to the side of the neck. I haven't tried it out yet, but it supposedly makes people pass out. I don't know if anyone could verify that?
Skarwael wrote:My preferred tactic would be a karate chop to the side of the neck. I haven't tried it out yet, but it supposedly makes people pass out. I don't know if anyone could verify that?
If you hit the right pressure point, you could do it, but it's not a sure fire thing, and, frankly, if you're in a self defense situation, you want to be fething sure. I don't use anything smaller then a .45 for that reason.
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purplefood wrote:Who peels an orange with a knife?
I'd never carry anything if I didn't know what to do with them.
While thats a reasonable idea, how do you know what they can do?
While 99% of the people who start fights are generally 1 hit wonders, there is still that 1% that can handle themselves pretty damn well.
While onto the martial arts question, ive been doing muay thai for 7 or so years now, but thats mainly a hobby and an easy keep-fit thing
I myself carry a small Boker knife for utility use only. For self defense its a G26 9mm loaded with Hornady Critical Defense. I have had my concealed permit for 3 years and have never had to use the weapon yet.....and hopefully will never have to.
Skarwael wrote:My preferred tactic would be a karate chop to the side of the neck. I haven't tried it out yet, but it supposedly makes people pass out. I don't know if anyone could verify that?
It does, if done properly. At the right angle, a chop to the jugular/carotid can force blood through the vessel, simulating raised bloodpressure and causing the victim to pass out. It's a fairly advanced technique, though. I've never actually done it myself.
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Taskmaster99 wrote:I myself carry a small Boker knife for utility use only. For self defense its a G26 9mm loaded with Hornady Critical Defense. I have had my concealed permit for 3 years and have never had to use the weapon yet.....and hopefully will never have to.
That's the sub-compact variant, correct?
Glocks are wonderful little guns. Ugly and blocky, but they never, ever stop.
Skarwael wrote:My preferred tactic would be a karate chop to the side of the neck. I haven't tried it out yet, but it supposedly makes people pass out. I don't know if anyone could verify that?
It does, if done properly. At the right angle, a chop to the jugular/carotid can force blood through the vessel, simulating raised bloodpressure and causing the victim to pass out. It's a fairly advanced technique, though. I've never actually done it myself.
I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.
Skarwael wrote:My preferred tactic would be a karate chop to the side of the neck. I haven't tried it out yet, but it supposedly makes people pass out. I don't know if anyone could verify that?
It does, if done properly. At the right angle, a chop to the jugular/carotid can force blood through the vessel, simulating raised bloodpressure and causing the victim to pass out. It's a fairly advanced technique, though. I've never actually done it myself.
Ive heard that before. Would like to see it done.
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TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
Wait, so you carry around your belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu?
TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
Wait, so you carry around your belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu?
Corpsesarefun wrote:I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.
I have your escalation right here.
I'm not a physically aggressive person any more, I spent years trying to push that out of my system.
I don't want to fight any more. If someone tries to do something to me, I want to make them not want to.
Loudly.
Call it "internet tough girl" or something, but meh, I don't want to have to rely on physical strength and adrenaline to have to defend myself IF something happens (I live in a safe city, so it's not likely to begin with, but still).
For Fraz, who will inevitably ask, I'm still in the process of saving up money for my own, but I do go on the range with my father and shoot occasionally. I'm quite comfortable with a gun in my hand and know how to clean, load, and properly handle them. So I'm ready, whenever I do get the money for my own, and have been looking at the requirements for my CCW license. Though if I can get a diamondback, that would also be good. A pity colt decided to stop producing them.
Corpsesarefun wrote:I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.
I have your escalation right here.
I'm not a physically aggressive person any more, I spent years trying to push that out of my system.
I don't want to fight any more. If someone tries to do something to me, I want to make them not want to.
Loudly.
Call it "internet tough girl" or something, but meh, I don't want to have to rely on physical strength and adrenaline to have to defend myself IF something happens (I live in a safe city, so it's not likely to begin with, but still).
For Fraz, who will inevitably ask, I'm still in the process of saving up money for my own, but I do go on the range with my father and shoot occasionally. I'm quite comfortable with a gun in my hand and know how to clean, load, and properly handle them. So I'm ready, whenever I do get the money for my own, and have been looking at the requirements for my CCW license. Though if I can get a diamondback, that would also be good. A pity colt decided to stop producing them.
Even though you called me an Internet tough guy......I wont call you an Internet tough girl....lol. Glad to see that you carry. Even a safe city has its surprises so why not be prepared for the "Just in case". Props to you and that Colt.
Corpsesarefun wrote:I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.
Plus these selections from directgov:
'If you carry a knife to protect yourself or make yourself feel safer but don’t intend to use it then you are committing a crime.'
'it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef'
'any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it'
And a list of weapons banned for sale:
flick knives - knives where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressed; these are also called 'switchblades' or 'automatic knives'
butterfly knives - where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings; the handles swing around the blade to open or close it
disguised knives - where the blade is hidden inside something like a belt buckle or fake mobile phone
gravity knives
sword-sticks
samurai swords
hand-claws
foot-claws
belt-buckle knives
push daggers
kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
Meh, I have an issued 3" flick blade for survival purposes. I'm actually supposed to wear it in uniform, but I rarely even do that. I don't think I've ever carried a weapon on me in public. I've taken advanced self-defense classes and basic MMA, so I'm confident in my ability to deal with a hairy situation should it arise.
TermiesInARaider wrote:Screw the stereotypes! Subvert the preconceptions! Prove that nerds can, in deed, fight.
I, personally, walk with a folding knife, (A three inch framelock with a clip-point and a false back edge), a collapsing baton, and belts in American Kempo and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu.
Either you live in Somalia or you suffer massive paranoia.
Does that mean a cops is paranoid because he caries a gun, even though he is less likely to be attacked than a non LEO?
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Corpsesarefun wrote:I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.
Plus these selections from directgov:
'If you carry a knife to protect yourself or make yourself feel safer but don’t intend to use it then you are committing a crime.'
'it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef'
'any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it'
And a list of weapons banned for sale:
flick knives - knives where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressed; these are also called 'switchblades' or 'automatic knives'
butterfly knives - where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings; the handles swing around the blade to open or close it
disguised knives - where the blade is hidden inside something like a belt buckle or fake mobile phone
gravity knives
sword-sticks
samurai swords
hand-claws
foot-claws
belt-buckle knives
push daggers
kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
Sooooo you guys pretty much cannot own a pointy stick
QFT. LEOs go looking for trouble. It's basically their jobs. And while they may be at less risk of being attacked, their certainly more likely to be in a dangerous situation, which may require a firearm or some other sort of weapon.
QFT. LEOs go looking for trouble. It's basically their jobs. And while they may be at less risk of being attacked, their certainly more likely to be in a dangerous situation, which may require a firearm or some other sort of weapon.
A: Cops aren't legally required to protect, at least according to the supreme court (Warren v DoC) B:Sometimes trouble is unavoidable C: I would like to defend myself by the best means possible
QFT. LEOs go looking for trouble. It's basically their jobs. And while they may be at less risk of being attacked, their certainly more likely to be in a dangerous situation, which may require a firearm or some other sort of weapon.
A: I have just as much a right to defend myself as a cop does.
B: Cops aren't legally required to protect, at least according to the supreme court (Warren v DoC)
C:Sometimes trouble is unavoidable
Nobody is bringing that into question. Rights to self defense are clearly outlined in American law. But I can't honestly say that my need for a firearm is equatable to that of a police officer's. It's just not the same.
A cellphone to call 911 with.
Teeth to bite with.
Nails to claw with.
Feet to kick crotches with.
Fingers to pull hair with.
Mouth to scream with.
I like this format
I have the following things:
An ugly mug and a brawlers chin that dissuades mere mortals
An unhealthy love of violence, particularly fisticuffs.
A cellphone to call the police
A flashlight to blind an assailant while I move to cover, and/or to positively identify my target.
A semiautomatic handgun
probably a knife...I have one of those mini leather-man with the scissors and knife that have more or less taken over for carrying a folder.
An accurate and similarly armed wife. (minus you know...the face and violence stuff).
I'm not a fighter, have never been in a fight, don't want to be in one & try to stay away from places where they happen.
That said, I'm smart enough to know that trouble can sometimes find you wether you want it or not, so for that reason alone I do have a couple of folding knives that I have mainly for use at work, but I keep them handy when I'm out. & about. I have never yet had need to use them, hope I never do, and absolutely WOULD NOT use them to threaten someone with, I would only use them for defence if there was really no other choice - I'd rather go down fighting than just go down.
At home I have a pick axe handle in a cupboard, and a small hand axe handle next to my bed, again never had to or want to use them, but they're there.
I travel in a group with my friends. I usually don't travel alone. I have a gun(licensed) which I do carry around sometimes. Most people don't have the confidence to do something to me because they know they will utterly regret it. If someone attacks me, they will remember it. I go by this quote in a fight: Success is measured in blood, that of your enemy's or your own.
Ratius wrote:Thank God for plush, safe suburbs is all I can say
My last job was doing private security work. And I got stabbed in a "plush, safe suburb." And also for the record, one thing fighting has taught me, is it's best to avoid it whenever possible, so awareness of my surroundings is really what I use for self-defense. If I'm in a situation where violence is unavoidable, it generally means having a pocket knife or weak civilian pepper spray or whatever else won't be of much use and I'm screwed anyways haha.
Corpsesarefun wrote:I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.
Plus these selections from directgov:
'If you carry a knife to protect yourself or make yourself feel safer but don’t intend to use it then you are committing a crime.'
'it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef'
'any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it'
And a list of weapons banned for sale:
samurai swords
I'm so glad I got my katana before the ban. It's over 50 years old too so I get to keep it.
In terms of carrying knives, if its under 3" (I think) and doesn't lock, and you can justify having it, you aren't breaking the law. So a Leatherman or such would be fine. If you're carrying a knife you shouldn't, they will throw the book at you, there's a massive clamp down happening on knife crime after all the murders of schoolchildren over the past few years.
Ratius wrote:Thank God for plush, safe suburbs is all I can say
My last job was doing private security work. And I got stabbed in a "plush, safe suburb."
When I lived in Bristol, the only incident of trouble I ever had was not in any of the 'rough' areas, but from some drunk, upper class "ruggers" chaps in the posh area.
Lux_Lucis wrote: Plus these selections from directgov: 'If you carry a knife to protect yourself or make yourself feel safer but don’t intend to use it then you are committing a crime.' 'it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef' 'any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it'
And a list of weapons banned for sale:
flick knives - knives where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressed; these are also called 'switchblades' or 'automatic knives' butterfly knives - where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings; the handles swing around the blade to open or close it disguised knives - where the blade is hidden inside something like a belt buckle or fake mobile phone gravity knives sword-sticks samurai swords hand-claws foot-claws belt-buckle knives push daggers kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes) shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars') kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire) kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire) kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
Precisely why I don't carry one anymore, considerably more trouble than it's worth. To be fair I was in the scouts at the time so that 2" penknife was also used for scouty things.
Also I always cut my nails extremely short so I can't open cans either.
Oh, it says knives disguised as mobile phones are banned.
TermiesInARaider wrote:
Makarov wrote:
TermiesInARaider wrote:
n0t_u wrote:That's a fairly different situation.
QFT. LEOs go looking for trouble. It's basically their jobs. And while they may be at less risk of being attacked, their certainly more likely to be in a dangerous situation, which may require a firearm or some other sort of weapon.
A: I have just as much a right to defend myself as a cop does.
B: Cops aren't legally required to protect, at least according to the supreme court (Warren v DoC)
C:Sometimes trouble is unavoidable
Nobody is bringing that into question. Rights to self defense are clearly outlined in American law. But I can't honestly say that my need for a firearm is equatable to that of a police officer's. It's just not the same.
British bobbies don't carry guns, apart from Armed Response Teams and the like. I would suggest the reason that a police officer is less likely to get attacked is more because he's (or she's) a police officer, with all the cultural stuff that entails.
dæl wrote:
Lux_Lucis wrote:
Corpsesarefun wrote:I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.
Plus these selections from directgov:
'If you carry a knife to protect yourself or make yourself feel safer but don’t intend to use it then you are committing a crime.'
'it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef'
'any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it'
And a list of weapons banned for sale:
samurai swords
I'm so glad I got my katana before the ban. It's over 50 years old too so I get to keep it.
In terms of carrying knives, if its under 3" (I think) and doesn't lock, and you can justify having it, you aren't breaking the law. So a Leatherman or such would be fine. If you're carrying a knife you shouldn't, they will throw the book at you, there's a massive clamp down happening on knife crime after all the murders of schoolchildren over the past few years.
That's the old interpretation I believe. I remember when the previous government tightened their directions to the police and there was lots of hoopla because people like Scouts, Guides, hiking types etc. were being told they couldn't carry them. They're very strict these days.
'Historical' blades are protected I believe, and reenactment weapons, weapons used for martial arts training etc.
Exalted Pariah wrote:Finally! A thread I can mention Krav Maga without being rebuffed! Here it goes..... Krava Maga for self-defense!
Bah... I am going to rebuff you anyway.
Double rebuffed! Hah! My full auto wienie dogs laugh at your mixed martial arts. They have breath weapons and can lay land mines on demand.
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AustonT wrote:An accurate and similarly armed wife. (minus you know...the face stuff).
Corrected your typo. We all know married women are utterly, utterly lethal when messed with, or someteimes merely annoyed by their husbands. I know. I KNOW!
Lux_Lucis wrote:
British bobbies don't carry guns, apart from Armed Response Teams and the like. I would suggest the reason that a police officer is less likely to get attacked is more because he's (or she's) a police officer, with all the cultural stuff that entails.
They do have CS gas, and tazers, and those telescopic baton thingies.
Knife Law If you’re planning to buy or carry a knife, it’s important to know the rules. Anyone found breaking these laws can face up to four years in prison.
These include:
it is illegal for any shop to sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives) to anyone under the age of 18
it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef
the maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000
it is illegal to carry, buy or sell any type of knife banned by the government (the list of banned knives is below)
knives with folding blades, like Swiss Army knives, are not illegal as long as the blade is three inches long (7.62 cm) or less
if any knife is used in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife), it is regarded as an 'offensive weapon' by the law
any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it
Lux_Lucis wrote:
British bobbies don't carry guns, apart from Armed Response Teams and the like. I would suggest the reason that a police officer is less likely to get attacked is more because he's (or she's) a police officer, with all the cultural stuff that entails.
They do have CS gas, and tazers, and those telescopic baton thingies.
Knife Law If you’re planning to buy or carry a knife, it’s important to know the rules. Anyone found breaking these laws can face up to four years in prison.
These include:
it is illegal for any shop to sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives) to anyone under the age of 18
it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef
the maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000
it is illegal to carry, buy or sell any type of knife banned by the government (the list of banned knives is below)
knives with folding blades, like Swiss Army knives, are not illegal as long as the blade is three inches long (7.62 cm) or less
if any knife is used in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife), it is regarded as an 'offensive weapon' by the law
any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it
People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.
A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.
Soap on a Rope works much better.
It's self cleaning, and has a nice scent after you bludgeon the man to death!
A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.
Soap on a Rope works much better.
It's self cleaning, and has a nice scent after you bludgeon the man to death!
But unless you regularly walk around with your Soap on a Rope it does have one major disadvantage. You pretty much always have a sock (or two) with you, unless you always wear sandals. So all you need to do is find the heavy object to put in it/them. The twin Half Brick inna Sock should be reserved for extremely desperate situations, however, as your feet might get cold.
A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.
Soap on a Rope works much better.
It's self cleaning, and has a nice scent after you bludgeon the man to death!
But unless you regularly walk around with your Soap on a Rope it does have one major disadvantage. You pretty much always have a sock (or two) with you, unless you always wear sandals. So all you need to do is find the heavy object to put in it/them. The twin Half Brick inna Sock should be reserved for extremely desperate situations, however, as your feet might get cold.
What about a half brick inna sock in a Half Brick Inna Sock?
A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.
Soap on a Rope works much better.
It's self cleaning, and has a nice scent after you bludgeon the man to death!
But unless you regularly walk around with your Soap on a Rope it does have one major disadvantage. You pretty much always have a sock (or two) with you, unless you always wear sandals. So all you need to do is find the heavy object to put in it/them. The twin Half Brick inna Sock should be reserved for extremely desperate situations, however, as your feet might get cold.
What about a half brick inna sock in a Half Brick Inna Sock?
Wrecks a perfectly good sock though, better using a doorknob or two in it instead of the half brick. That or fill it with a bit of sand/gravel/small rocks and tie it off.
n0t_u wrote:Wrecks a perfectly good sock though, better using a doorknob or two in it instead of the half brick. That or fill it with a bit of sand/gravel/small rocks and tie it off.
Where am I going to find a doorknob just lying around?
Also, if you are using a doorknob, use one of those glass ones. It'll shatter and stab him on impact. I think.
I took Tae Kwan Do for years, with one of the top TKD instructors in the world and was trained in self defense. I know how to cripple a man while not enacting lethal force, though he may never walk again or ever use whatever arm held the knife. Now, what's the point of this thread again? Are we just comparing who has the longest stream of piss?
timetowaste85 wrote:I took Tae Kwan Do for years, with one of the top TKD instructors in the world and was trained in self defense. I know how to cripple a man while not enacting lethal force, though he may never walk again or ever use whatever arm held the knife. Now, what's the point of this thread again? Are we just comparing who has the longest stream of piss?
Dont most OT topics end up in a pissing contest? If its not on an individual level, its a state level, if not state, country, if not country, religion, if not religion race and if not race, who drank the most last night.
Ratius wrote:Dont most OT topics end up in a pissing contest? If its not on an individual level, its a state level, if not state, country, if not country, religion, if not religion race and if not race, who drank the most last night.
It was me, I had 15 pints of Guinness with Night Nurse chasers and half a bottle of Frost Jack.
I did self defense for a few years with my brother and his various mates that are into it. I realised I was picking up more injuries in training than I ever did in fights- I've barely been in any physical confrontations since. And in all the ones I have been in, fending the other guy off long enough to leave was all I needed to do.
So I stopped. I live in a fairly crime ridden area of a fairly crappy town at the moment, and I never have any hassle. I lived in the inner city in dublin for years, and never had any either. I think if you're sensible and keep your head down, you don't need half the self defense training people go for. My three rules of thumb are:
1. Don't drink in gakholes, you meet gak.
2. Don't antagonise anyone who looks like they might stab you.
3. Never get so drunk you don't know what's going on if you're going to be walking home alone.
Ratius wrote:Dont most OT topics end up in a pissing contest? If its not on an individual level, its a state level, if not state, country, if not country, religion, if not religion race and if not race, who drank the most last night.
It was me, I had 15 pints of Guinness with Night Nurse chasers and half a bottle of Frost Jack.
I drank a bottle of lighter fluid, it's a far superior drink to meths. The don't drink it because they can't afford it.
Ratius wrote:Dont most OT topics end up in a pissing contest? If its not on an individual level, its a state level, if not state, country, if not country, religion, if not religion race and if not race, who drank the most last night.
It was me, I had 15 pints of Guinness with Night Nurse chasers and half a bottle of Frost Jack.
Lux_Lucis wrote:
British bobbies don't carry guns, apart from Armed Response Teams and the like. I would suggest the reason that a police officer is less likely to get attacked is more because he's (or she's) a police officer, with all the cultural stuff that entails
IIRC Bobbys have actually had the option of carrying a gun for more than a century now. Many choose not to, but the boot still has all the standard things you'd find in an American patrol car, including the occasional shot gun.
Lux_Lucis wrote: British bobbies don't carry guns, apart from Armed Response Teams and the like. I would suggest the reason that a police officer is less likely to get attacked is more because he's (or she's) a police officer, with all the cultural stuff that entails
IIRC Bobbys have actually had the option of carrying a gun for more than a century now. Many choose not to, but the boot still has all the standard things you'd find in an American patrol car, including the occasional shot gun.
Not unless they are a trained firearms officer, which the majority are not. An officer carrying a firearm, be it on his person or in his car, who is not trained and authorised to do so would be out of the force faster than you could blink and most likely be prosecuted for carrying an illegal firearm.
The only force that has it's standard officers routinely equipped with firearms is the Northern Ireland police force, most likely because there's still the threat from extremist factions within the population (IRA splinter factions etc.) and some pretty nasty gangs in some areas of big cities like Belfast.
The problem with relying on knives for self-defense is that guns have a much longer range.
The problem with relying on guns for self-defense is that you may miss.
So, you really need a weapon that has a solid range, and won't miss. That's why I always carry around a nuclear weapon. You'll want, at a bare minimum, 100 kilotons, but I recommend about 6 megatons to be really sure.
Grakmar wrote:The problem with relying on knives for self-defense is that guns have a much longer range.
The problem with relying on guns for self-defense is that you may miss.
So, you really need a weapon that has a solid range, and won't miss. That's why I always carry around a nuclear weapon. You'll want, at a bare minimum, 100 kilotons, but I recommend about 6 megatons to be really sure.
Grakmar wrote:The problem with relying on knives for self-defense is that guns have a much longer range.
The problem with relying on guns for self-defense is that you may miss.
So, you really need a weapon that has a solid range, and won't miss. That's why I always carry around a nuclear weapon. You'll want, at a bare minimum, 100 kilotons, but I recommend about 6 megatons to be really sure.
Alabama 12 year old, codename "Confederate T3rr0r" adapts the same technology and level of sophistication of the "Can of Snakes gag" to handheld weaponry. Unimpressed commentator on wargaming forum remarks, "Yeah, sure, spring loaded knife seems like it might be nice for pissing people off and would probably annoy local law enforcement. Maybe."
Melissia wrote:"Alabama 12 year old, codename "Confederate T3rr0r""
Wait, seriously? What.
You didn't hear his voice? I did it lasted 4 1/2 seconds after I realized he wasn't just a child but a Southern child before I closed it in disgust. 4-8 years from now he will be posting his fully automatic 10/22 on Youtube.
Melissia wrote:"Alabama 12 year old, codename "Confederate T3rr0r""
Wait, seriously? What.
Sorry, incorporating the kind of name I anticipated he went by when pretending to be a toughguy on CoD and extrapolating other elements based upon the youtube comments I read.
As a Briton I could never sink to using a Crossbow. Longbows for life!
...I think in a post technology apoc future you'd slam a spring leaf on a 2x4 before you seasoned a yew stick.
He's British. They're required by law to already have a bow and arrow, and to practice it.
British Law wrote:STATUTES made in the Parliament begun and holden at Westminster on Wednesday the Fourth Day of February, in the Third Year of the Reign of King HENRY VIII. [...]
CAP. III An Act concerning Shooting in Long Bows.
"ALL Sorts of Men under the Age of Forty Years shall have Bows and Arrows, and use Shooting; certain Persons excepted", &c. Unlawful Games "shall not be used."
Melissia wrote:"Alabama 12 year old, codename "Confederate T3rr0r""
Wait, seriously? What.
You didn't hear his voice? I did it lasted 4 1/2 seconds after I realized he wasn't just a child but a Southern child before I closed it in disgust. 4-8 years from now he will be posting his fully automatic 10/22 on Youtube.
Oh no, I know the alabama 12 year old part, I was just weirded out by the codename.
Melissia wrote:"Alabama 12 year old, codename "Confederate T3rr0r""
Wait, seriously? What.
You didn't hear his voice? I did it lasted 4 1/2 seconds after I realized he wasn't just a child but a Southern child before I closed it in disgust. 4-8 years from now he will be posting his fully automatic 10/22 on Youtube.
Oh no, I know the alabama 12 year old part, I was just weirded out by the codename.
A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.
I'm simply touching base with what sort of involvement Dakka has in self-defense. It could be karate classes you go to, for all I care, it doesn't matter.
Exalt.
don't drink it because they can't afford it.
