So I have played Emperors Children since 3rd edition. I painted the whole army myself in pre-heresy gold and purple with a lot of dark washes and pink/green details. There is this kid at the gaming club I'm with that saw my army and was a huge fan because he painted a squad of his the usual black and pink and it looks like crap. So the next week I stroll into the club and he has a whole squad the same color as my army! I'm not saying I own the rights to my color scheme or anything but I kind of pride myself on its uniqueness and the effort I put into it. He didn't ask if he could use the same scheme he just started showing up with the same scheme. I might be over reacting but is it wrong for me to be a little angry that he just took my paint scheme without telling me?

Its my own design and my own EC derived warband, guess it would be like coming up with your own DYI SM chapter then another guy in your group doing the same thing because he thought it was cool without asking or talking to you. Cool? Not cool? Should I not care? How would you feel?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Honestly if someone painted their Leman Russes in the color of my armored regiment, I'd be flattered.

Obviously you care to make a post about it . But if you just roll up and tell the kid your paint scheme you will be seen a bit ...

It seems like you are overreacting huuuge time to me.

There are some things in life that matter.

This is not one of them.

Laughing God wrote:I painted the whole army myself in pre-heresy gold and purple with a lot of dark washes

Laughing God wrote:Its my own design

Which one is it? Your own unique colour scheme or pre-heresey emperor's children?

Laughing God wrote:Should I not care?

Yes, you shouldn't care.

Especially if you'd just painted them in standard pre-H EC colours.

pizzaguardian wrote:Obviously you care to make a post about it . But if you just roll up and tell the kid your paint scheme you will be seen a bit ...

It seems like you are overreacting huuuge time to me.

Since I actually didn't say anything to the kid and the only action I took was post about it on a online forum I would actually say I didn't overact HUGE... did it annoy me? yes did I do anything about it? not really

So my question now is have any of you been in the same situation? have you made your own paint scheme then some one saw it and copied it exactly?

Yes it is based off of the pre-heresy EC but only in the sense that its purple and gold, other than that the details and washes and highlights are my own.

Now all I did was look at the models and tell him they look pretty good, because they did. You guys are saying it wouldn’t bother you or annoy you at all that if you made your own army and paint scheme and someone did the exact same thing after seeing yours without asking you it wouldn’t bother you?

Immitation is the ultimate form of flattery maybe I should be giving him tips instead of bitching about it.

Laughing God wrote:Immitation is the ultimate form of flattery maybe I should be giving him tips instead of bitching about it.

Definitely. Maybe even help him to find his own colour scheme that he likes? (Not that he shouldn't go pre-H EC just because you have....)

This would be like someone in my club made a space wolf army and painted them an offshoot blue/ grey because they liked mine. Would I be annoyed...nope. Space wolves are wolves and there are only so many ways you can do the blues and greys. I suspect this would be the same with EC pre-Hersey or post.

Now if said person showed up with exact bases and army list I might ask him what's going on lol. In the end though it's his army so you can't do anything about it even if he did it.

Coolyo294 wrote:Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

This, if someone came in with a Guard army based off of my many different guard platoons/companies I would be flattered and be interested in getting a better look.


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Laughing God wrote:
Immitation is the ultimate form of flattery maybe I should be giving him tips instead of bitching about it.

Yes, start up a conversation, maybe he can give you some ideas too, he obviously knows it well enough and likes it enough to paint it.

Laughing God wrote:

pizzaguardian wrote:Obviously you care to make a post about it . But if you just roll up and tell the kid your paint scheme you will be seen a bit ...

It seems like you are overreacting huuuge time to me.

Since I actually didn't say anything to the kid and the only action I took was post about it on a online forum I would actually say I didn't overact HUGE... did it annoy me? yes did I do anything about it? not really

So my question now is have any of you been in the same situation? have you made your own paint scheme then some one saw it and copied it exactly?

Yes it is based off of the pre-heresy EC but only in the sense that its purple and gold, other than that the details and washes and highlights are my own.

Now all I did was look at the models and tell him they look pretty good, because they did. You guys are saying it wouldn’t bother you or annoy you at all that if you made your own army and paint scheme and someone did the exact same thing after seeing yours without asking you it wouldn’t bother you?

Immitation is the ultimate form of flattery maybe I should be giving him tips instead of bitching about it.

Yes, it would not bother me. The only thing that i can find remotely annoting about this is we might mix the models in a battle (lol) or it would be boring to see the same army over and over, but this already happens with MEQ armies.

And if somebody actually makes a chapter of my own SM chapter i would be delighted, who knows maybe dan abnett might write a book about it someday.(one can hope)

It depends on the situation.

My armies each have their own backstory that I've created for them. I would be aggravated if someone tried to copy it, or painted their stuff to match mine and tried to say it was another platoon of my force.

My fluff, not yours.

Other than that, I wouldn't be annoyed unless people were complimenting him on it, and he claimed that it was his original idea.

This kid must have the best eye for detail and paint and be able to refer to his photographic memory if he was capable of seeing your models once and then know exactly which base,paints and washes you used on your models to be able to mimic your "unique" army.

I use a pre heresy emperors children scheme as well. It isn't uncommon. But if he was truly able to see your models once and then come in with a matching paint scheme there are two possibilities I can think of.
One, your paint scheme isn't nearly as unique as you think. Two, his paint scheme outside of being purple and gold has little to nothing to do with your own scheme.

Laughing God wrote:So I have played Emperors Children since 3rd edition. I painted the whole army myself in pre-heresy gold and purple with a lot of dark washes and pink/green details. There is this kid at the gaming club I'm with that saw my army and was a huge fan because he painted a squad of his the usual black and pink and it looks like crap. So the next week I stroll into the club and he has a whole squad the same color as my army!

Yeah....and?

I'm not saying I own the rights to my color scheme or anything but I kind of pride myself on its uniqueness and the effort I put into it.

OK.

He didn't ask if he could use the same scheme he just started showing up with the same scheme.

He doesn't really have to ask....I mean, You just acknowledged that you own no rights to your colour scheme...

I might be over reacting

I think you are.

but is it wrong for me to be a little angry that he just took my paint scheme without telling me?

Yes

Its my own design and my own EC derived warband, guess it would be like coming up with your own DYI SM chapter then another guy in your group doing the same thing because he thought it was cool without asking or talking to you. Cool? Not cool? Should I not care? How would you feel?

Cool.

Well if someone copied my unique theme and didn't ask, I'd be royal ticked. Especially if they hadn't asked.

However, there's not much you can do about it. Roll him into your force as an aspiring champion to your Legion Commander and be thrilled you have a fan. Maybe even develop a back story that folds his force and yours together.

It seems like his own ec weren't great and seeing yours gave him an idea on how to improve your own you should be flattered.

Also if it's just a kid give him advice and help him make them better rather than getting upset that he used your colourscheme,

Grow up mate. Come on now....

Laughing God wrote:So I have played Emperors Children since 3rd edition. I painted the whole army myself in pre-heresy gold and purple with a lot of dark washes and pink/green details. There is this kid at the gaming club I'm with that saw my army and was a huge fan because he painted a squad of his the usual black and pink and it looks like crap. So the next week I stroll into the club and he has a whole squad the same color as my army! I'm not saying I own the rights to my color scheme or anything but I kind of pride myself on its uniqueness and the effort I put into it. He didn't ask if he could use the same scheme he just started showing up with the same scheme. I might be over reacting but is it wrong for me to be a little angry that he just took my paint scheme without telling me?

Its my own design and my own EC derived warband, guess it would be like coming up with your own DYI SM chapter then another guy in your group doing the same thing because he thought it was cool without asking or talking to you. Cool? Not cool? Should I not care? How would you feel?

Hey you just got yourself a fan
Bask in the glory while you can

Sounds like he was genuinely impressed and inspired by your scheme. If that's the case, I'd be very humbled by it, that somebody said "wow, thats an awesome paint idea! I'd love to have an army like that!" As long as he isnt taking credit for it and claiming it's his idea I see no problem in it. And if it's inspired by their main colors anyways, then thats kind of like an ultramarines player being mad because another UM player used the same blue as him (aka wierd).

I was inspired to use gunmetal, red, and gold as my main colors for my guard army by 2 local space marine players. One is GK and the other is Iron warriors counts as SW They even realized it and now we joke that I'm muscling in in on the "red" armies.

RL;DR: I dont see any harm in it. He used what he learned from you to improve his crappy paint scheme. As long as he's not claiming it was his idea no harm no foul.

I get very angry whenever I see someone copy my Necron paint scheme, because I took the time to copy the paint scheme from the GW website, and so now I own the rights to that colour scheme.

I copied someones scheme for my nids but I asked them first. they are a dakkite!

they live in the U.K. I live in the States.

The hive fleet spreads!

MUNCHIES FOR THE MUNCH MIND! Hom nom nom nom nom

I admit I would kind of be annoyed if someone copied a scheme I had thought out myself, such as my Eldar one, but then again, if somebody's copying your colour scheme, it will probably be impossible to get the exact same looking colours.

Damn.

My entire plog is based on your work, Laughing God. Thanks for inventing pre heresy Emperor's Children. Keep up the good work. But since you already painted up pre heresy EC, I guess I'll just melt mine down.

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Grow up. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. How old are you? Talk to the kid, get to know him. He's probably sweating his balls off just to be a little like you and would love the chance to talk with you.
EDIT: I see that you are a US Marine... Wow, dude. Just wow...

Und yet i see no pictures of these alleged minis in your gallery...

This is why my vehicles are digital camo patterned. It isn't worth the effort to other people to mimic. And if they want to try and mimic my guards-women they are welcome to try. Not like my uniform colors are super unique.

Personally, I would be angry, especially if they tried to claim it as their own or if they tried to write their army into my fluff.

I don't have anyone attempting my painting.

But there is someone who tries to re-create my constuction/fluff in his IG (or every army hes had)

I have a Scrapyard/Experimental Imperial Guard army. He started with Eldar and tried to do the same thing with them, which involved dismantling a Stormraven and randomly glueing the doors and other parts to a fire prism amoung other attempts, as he went through armies. starting with Eldar, then Grey kNights, then Chaos with Space wolves (all at the same time) then now IG with Eldar on the side.

He continues with attempts like strapping a Hamemrhead Tau Railgun turret to a Leman Russ and calling it a "Ice Cannon"

Its flattering that he tries to do what i do, but his attempts and their outcomes are... well..... Bad... which is the only thing that irks me (as well as other people in the store)
Im fine with him doing it but sometimes.... Its only a matter of time before he attempts my paintjob, hes currecntly on Purple, Teal, and Gold with his IG. compared to my Metallic Silver, Dark Bronze, Black, Red and Gold.

WHen he attempts my paint then there will be issues.

WOW

so many people here are against the OP...i'm actually surprised. well maybe not against, more like of a different opinion and feel.

but i have to say, if you put a lot of effort into your army and then someone comes along and copys it, i'm thinking same paint scheme, same models same list and all that jazz...well i would be really pissed.

it would totally deflate me, here is someone who has totally ripped off my theme and army...i would be totally deflated.

on the other hand i paint my armys very similar to GW enough to say i copy cat GW...so seeing an army similar to mine would not be a surprise. I would love someone to come up and say oh man that looks awesome, i wanna paint mine like that. Well i would be bananas to try and help then, i would tell them the paints i used the techniques and brushes and everything so they might be able to copy me.

but someone just showing up, and then re-painting their army and changing their list to mine the next week with out talking to me about it or inquiring about stuff..well i would be very annoyed enough to sell the whole army nd start a new one. Even if it is a similar style to GW.

so shoot me i like to be an individualist like everyone else

I don't really mind to tell the truth. There's a couple that I know of that have taken a scheme. Just go with it, even as far as to provide tips if asked.

Because in the end there is really only a certain amount of ways colours that work together can go. I guess you could also say it can motivate you to try harder knowing people pay that much attention to the details of it, or to move into making it even more unique through trophies, conversions even reposing. I suppose the standard schemes also shouldn't count unless you've put enough of a twist to it to make it "unique". Short of making the models yourself there is no being completely unique.

I'd love to have so few concerns in my life that I have the luxury of getting worked up over someone painting some plastic men the same way I did.

Bookwrack wrote:There are some things in life that matter.

This is not one of them.

Basically this.

AustonT wrote:Und yet i see no pictures of these alleged minis in your gallery...

This has to be the most stupid post I've read on any of my threads. So you are implying... that because I haven’t taken the time out of my day to take good pictures of my army and show it off on some forum... then it must not exist and I'm just making this whole thing up? HAHA I can't tell if you are joking or not.

Eiríkr wrote:Damn.

My entire plog is based on your work, Laughing God. Thanks for inventing pre heresy Emperor's Children. Keep up the good work. But since you already painted up pre heresy EC, I guess I'll just melt mine down.

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Grow up. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. How old are you? Talk to the kid, get to know him. He's probably sweating his balls off just to be a little like you and would love the chance to talk with you.
EDIT: I see that you are a US Marine... Wow, dude. Just wow...

O look another astute dakka poster who can read! I already said I didn't invent the scheme, but he hadn't thought of it either till he saw mine. I've seen several guys walk into shops with models the same color as mine and didn't care. You are one of those people who made a bigger deal of it than I did. lol make it sound like I punched the kid in the face all I did was post about it to see other peoples thought at the situation long after I got over the annoyance. Btw I'm a 23 year old NCO in the United States Marine Corps, idk how old the kid was like 16 or something. How old are you, what do you do since you want to play that game? Doesn't really matter since it seems nobody taught you how to read properly or articulate your opinion without being unnecessarily insulting.

azazel the cat wrote:I get very angry whenever I see someone copy my Necron paint scheme, because I took the time to copy the paint scheme from the GW website, and so now I own the rights to that colour scheme.

You didn't read or understand what I posted either. That is a terrible comparison.

IcedAnimals wrote:This kid must have the best eye for detail and paint and be able to refer to his photographic memory if he was capable of seeing your models once and then know exactly which base,paints and washes you used on your models to be able to mimic your "unique" army.

I use a pre heresy emperors children scheme as well. It isn't uncommon. But if he was truly able to see your models once and then come in with a matching paint scheme there are two possibilities I can think of.
One, your paint scheme isn't nearly as unique as you think. Two, his paint scheme outside of being purple and gold has little to nothing to do with your own scheme.

You are arguing irrelevant details here. No it was not matching down to the highlights and washes, but he tried his best to repaint his models to match mine. It’s the principle not if they were exact the very finest detail. He tried to though. Not really a big deal, guess I was just annoyed by his general unoriginality in his own design and was curious of someone did this to one of you and your armies.

There are some people on this forum that I swear just read the first post (and not very well) and then just tear into this tirade about what an immature fool the OP is or if you disagree start off on insults. Not sure why… but whatever the internet tends to give people balls and the idea than can just be A-holes. Honestly a lot of you are making a bigger deal about my question than I did about the kid copying me.

If any of you read my last post you would see that I talked to the kid and am helping him out rather than bitching about it. No his design was not identical to mine; he had no idea of highlights or washes, which I’m helping him out with now.
I know I didn’t come up with the scheme… I said that… what bothered me was he had his models painted one way… saw my army and went home and painted them the exact same way. It’s not like he came in with his army that way to begin with or not painted at all. At first it annoyed me but like so many polite normal people posted I got over it fast and just decided to help the kid out was I annoyed at first? Yes was it petty and immature? Yes but it’s not like I cried about it or punched the kid in the face. Just made a quick 5min post on a forum.

I've been on the other side of this.

I like painting. It's the number one reason I'm in this hobby.

When I see something I like, I'll buy a unit and "copy" it to the best of my abilities. I might tweak a color or two but usually it will be hard to tell mine apart from the other guys.

I'll also look in the real world for inspiration. For example I have a unit of harlequins painted up like some of the cirque de soleil costumes.

Take a breath and, as others have pointed out, remember that imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Be nice to the kid and use it as a way of talking shop.

Laughing God, so you make a post, about how you feel upset that some kid thought your army looked so good, that he imitated your scheme, which by your OWN words, is really not original, and your getting hyper defensive when fellow DAKKA members point out how ridiculous your being? Really?! Its preheresy color scheme mate, chill the feth out, you need to learn how to take a compliment from someone. If they guy thought yours looked so good he wanted his to look like it, then take it as a compliment and move the feth on. Remove your tampon

I understand where this is coming from. Just a small thing that can nag at you. Take it as a compliment, the kid sounds new to the game so help him out. I don't know where all this frag is coming from.

yeah i gotta say i'm with laughing god on this one, i think its' very easy to misunderstand the sentiment and implied tone of peoples posts on the internet, simply because it is a faceless and arguably emotionally void medium where literal meaning sometimes becomes too literal. Lets all just relax a min here.

laughing god felt irked, i get that, and reading the peoples posts who think the situation was digressed upon to much also makes a lot of sense. lets not get too aggressive about the whole thing tho, people react in different ways to different things thats all it is.

you know what would be really funny tho...if someone copied my post and only changed a couple of words here nd there (same meanign but different word) looool, i'm laughing about it now but i think i would be irked a bit looool...not to mention i'm sure mods would consider it spam hahaha

Coolyo294 wrote:Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

This.

How do you think GW feels about you taking their idea?

Laughing God wrote:

O look another astute dakka poster who can read! I already said I didn't invent the scheme, but he hadn't thought of it either till he saw mine. I've seen several guys walk into shops with models the same color as mine and didn't care. You are one of those people who made a bigger deal of it than I did. lol make it sound like I punched the kid in the face all I did was post about it to see other peoples thought at the situation long after I got over the annoyance. Btw I'm a 23 year old NCO in the United States Marine Corps, idk how old the kid was like 16 or something. How old are you, what do you do since you want to play that game? Doesn't really matter since it seems nobody taught you how to read properly or articulate your opinion without being unnecessarily insulting.

Sorry. Who is making a mountain out of a molehill? You make a post asking for opinion on your reaction, Dakka users give opinion, you throw it all out of the pram with the toys. Turning on the super-defensive is not a great move for the reply; pretty much reaffrims the OP as some chap whom feels threatened by a younger kid imitating his own plastic men out of, what is most likely, admiration.

May I ask; can we see your unique Emperor's Children? Or perhaps you are a little afraid that some kid might start using the same colour scheme? Bah.

You should only be angry if they look better than yours.

KingCracker wrote:Laughing God, so you make a post, about how you feel upset that some kid thought your army looked so good, that he imitated your scheme, which by your OWN words, is really not original, and your getting hyper defensive when fellow DAKKA members point out how ridiculous your being? Really?! Its preheresy color scheme mate, chill the feth out, you need to learn how to take a compliment from someone. If they guy thought yours looked so good he wanted his to look like it, then take it as a compliment and move the feth on. Remove your tampon

Couldn't agree more. Didn't know I was making that big a deal about it in fact I plan on helping the guy with some more tips this weekend. But obviously you haven't read my past posts either... I have moved WAAAYYYY past this guy and on to the sudden internet machos who need to be insulting to get there point across in some form of ignorant male posturing. Am I being defensive about my OP? No... Read... like we learned when we were little. I already admitted like two posts ago I was wrong to have been annoyed and am actually taking the opposite stance. If someone insults you over a simple question do you not defend yourself if you know you did nothing wrong?

wererat wrote:I understand where this is coming from. Just a small thing that can nag at you. Take it as a compliment, the kid sounds new to the game so help him out. I don't know where all this frag is coming from.

And that I have. A good point that is the opposite of the one I made and yet you made it in an intelligent reasonable polite fashion that I recognize and can understand. You and people like you made a good point and I will see to it that I don't get so defensive about people drawing inspiration from my work.

Eiríkr wrote:

Laughing God wrote:

O look another astute dakka poster who can read! I already said I didn't invent the scheme, but he hadn't thought of it either till he saw mine. I've seen several guys walk into shops with models the same color as mine and didn't care. You are one of those people who made a bigger deal of it than I did. lol make it sound like I punched the kid in the face all I did was post about it to see other peoples thought at the situation long after I got over the annoyance. Btw I'm a 23 year old NCO in the United States Marine Corps, idk how old the kid was like 16 or something. How old are you, what do you do since you want to play that game? Doesn't really matter since it seems nobody taught you how to read properly or articulate your opinion without being unnecessarily insulting.

Sorry. Who is making a mountain out of a molehill? You make a post asking for opinion on your reaction, Dakka users give opinion, you throw it all out of the pram with the toys. Turning on the super-defensive is not a great move for the reply; pretty much reaffrims the OP as some chap whom feels threatened by a younger kid imitating his own plastic men out of, what is most likely, admiration.

May I ask; can we see your unique Emperor's Children? Or perhaps you are a little afraid that some kid might start using the same colour scheme? Bah.

lol and you are just as guilty of the same things you accuse me of, overreacting, insulting opinions, and being defensive, so when you come back with a reasonable, intelligent, and relevant, post instead of crude attempts at demeaning insults for my opinion... I'll dignify you with an equally relevant response. Don’t get me wrong this isn’t because I don’t like the fact that you disagreed with me or because you think my reaction to a teenager getting fresh ideas from my army is wrong… no I agree with you there. It’s because I think the way you try to make your point is rude and ignorant, reaffirming your opinion with insults and sarcasm… how did you put it? Bah

So that’s two people who think that this army of mine doesn’t exist... any other takers? Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post and ask so I can make at least 2 people feel silly for suggesting I just made up this army. lol

Clarifying note for anyone who hasn’t read up to this point yet: lot of the people who have expressed their opinion on here civilly are right and I should not have been annoyed with the teenager for getting ideas for his army from mine. I should not only be flattered but I will help this guy if he actually wants it. Yes I admit my feelings when I saw his models were wrong.

So that’s two people who think that this army of mine doesn’t exist... any other takers

I never said it wasn't real, just that pictures would be nice. Given that you were in a real knot and twist over this, I would quite like to see what paint job the fuss was about. Reasonable enough, no?

lol and you are just as guilty of the same things you accuse me of, overreacting, insulting opinions, and being defensive, so when you come back with a reasonable, intelligent, and relevant, post instead of crude attempts at demeaning insults for my opinion... I'll dignify you with an equally relevant response. Don’t get me wrong this isn’t because I don’t like the fact that you disagreed with me or because you think my reaction to a teenager getting fresh ideas from my army is wrong… no I agree with you there. It’s because I think the way you try to make your point is rude and ignorant, reaffirming your opinion with insults and sarcasm… how did you put it? Bah

Referring back to my original post in this thread. If you find the following to be offensive, demeaning and rude, you need to step back and reassess things a little.

Grow up. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. How old are you? Talk to the kid, get to know him. He's probably sweating his balls off just to be a little like you and would love the chance to talk with you.

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In other news; I am glad to see that you've taken a more rational approach to this and approached the kid with advice in hand. Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Two things here

First off its not "your scheme" its gws purple and gold non chais touched marines are pre herrasy EC so no he didnt take YOU SCHEME

Secondly YES i would be annoyed a bit because theres a million paint colors and he went with the exact thing you did but id understand that maybe he wants pre herrasy EC aswell

personally if some one sees my work and is inspired to try something SIMILAR im happy for them and glad my work had that effect on them though i would not want to be copied on something that i ACTUALY DID COME UP WITH example. not pre herrasy marines

if you pride your self on the army you painted thats great everyone should be proud of their models regardless of how great they are but i wouldnt get to upset about him copying your pre herrasy army

Laughing God wrote:

pizzaguardian wrote:Obviously you care to make a post about it . But if you just roll up and tell the kid your paint scheme you will be seen a bit ...

It seems like you are overreacting huuuge time to me.

Since I actually didn't say anything to the kid and the only action I took was post about it on a online forum I would actually say I didn't overact HUGE... did it annoy me? yes did I do anything about it? not really

So my question now is have any of you been in the same situation? have you made your own paint scheme then some one saw it and copied it exactly?

Yes it is based off of the pre-heresy EC but only in the sense that its purple and gold, other than that the details and washes and highlights are my own.

Now all I did was look at the models and tell him they look pretty good, because they did. You guys are saying it wouldn’t bother you or annoy you at all that if you made your own army and paint scheme and someone did the exact same thing after seeing yours without asking you it wouldn’t bother you?

Immitation is the ultimate form of flattery maybe I should be giving him tips instead of bitching about it.

This was my second post on the whole thread, I knew I was wrong before I got back from the meet but wanted to hear other people thoughts and If they would have been annoyed and took what everyone said into consideration and changed my view before you made your first post. I'm sorry about the miss understanding and if I came off as defensive or attacking you I just felt insulted.

Eiríkr wrote:Damn.

My entire plog is based on your work, Laughing God. Thanks for inventing pre heresy Emperor's Children. Keep up the good work. But since you already painted up pre heresy EC, I guess I'll just melt mine down.

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Grow up. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. How old are you? Talk to the kid, get to know him. He's probably sweating his balls off just to be a little like you and would love the chance to talk with you.
EDIT: I see that you are a US Marine... Wow, dude. Just wow...

This... this was your first post and why I felt like you were rude and insulting. You didn't really understand what I was trying to say. I didn't make that big a deal about it besides making a post on a forum and being annoyed. Meanwhile you said I was immature, questioned my age then made the comment about how I was a Marine. I'm sorry I made you feel that way with my OP, but next time let us both read all the previous post and try to see all points of view before being insulting.

Laughing God wrote:

So that’s two people who think that this army of mine doesn’t exist... any other takers? Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post and ask so I can make at least 2 people feel silly for suggesting I just made up this army. lol

I think that when someone comes on Dakka and bitches about someone coping "their" colour scheme they should show it. As Dakka is kind enough to host those images for free you really don't have an excuse. I didn't suggest your army doesn't exist, let me rephrase.

Since this exemplifies your attitude

Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post

I doubt you'll find great support here regardless.

Laughing God wrote:
This has to be the most stupid post I've read on any of my threads.

What an oddly perfect way to describe this thread.

victor.IG wrote:Two things here

First off its not "your scheme" its gws purple and gold non chais touched marines are pre herrasy EC so no he didnt take YOU SCHEME

Secondly YES i would be annoyed a bit because theres a million paint colors and he went with the exact thing you did but id understand that maybe he wants pre herrasy EC aswell

personally if some one sees my work and is inspired to try something SIMILAR im happy for them and glad my work had that effect on them though i would not want to be copied on something that i ACTUALY DID COME UP WITH example. not pre herrasy marines

if you pride your self on the army you painted thats great everyone should be proud of their models regardless of how great they are but i wouldnt get to upset about him copying your pre herrasy army

Try reading the OP's previous posts before saying the same stuff everyone before you has said.

LOL i just sat down opened a thread read it and hit reply big whoops i didnt read two pages of responses first SORRRY

you seem a tad defensive i wasnt bashing you or your reaction to the situation at all simply gave my opinion on the matter even half agreed with you saying yeah it would bug me a bit that with all the colors in the world he went with a scheme someone already had at the store as his main army and still your defensive and insulted by my post amazing.

AustonT wrote:

Laughing God wrote:

So that’s two people who think that this army of mine doesn’t exist... any other takers? Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post and ask so I can make at least 2 people feel silly for suggesting I just made up this army. lol

I think that when someone comes on Dakka and bitches about someone coping "their" colour scheme they should show it. As Dakka is kind enough to host those images for free you really don't have an excuse. I didn't suggest your army doesn't exist, let me rephrase.

Since this exemplifies your attitude

Maybe someone worth proving myself to will post

I doubt you'll find great support here regardless.

lol What does me posting pics of my army have anything to do with my OP or any of my posts since then? Since your so interested yes I will post pictures if I have free time tomorrow. I'm pretty busy right but I'll get around to it ASAP with my Iphone since i don't own a real camera and post the link here. Not sure what you are trying to prove though. I assume you want to see how "origional" the paint scheme is? Pics won't change the fact: The guy had his army painted one way... saw my army (which I was the only one who had them painted as such that I have seen) and then changed his models to that color. Which I am ok with now if you read my previous posts I was annoyed at first but hey anybody can paint there army however they want.


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victor.IG wrote:LOL i just sat down opened a thread read it and hit reply big whoops i didnt read two pages of responses first SORRRY

you seem a tad defensive i wasnt bashing you or your reaction to the situation at all simply gave my opinion on the matter even half agreed with you saying yeah it would bug me a bit that with all the colors in the world he went with a scheme someone already had at the store as his main army and still your defensive and insulted by my post amazing.

Sorry if I came off as defensive. It seemed like a brief none aggressive enough reply to me. Just had one too many people at this point jump down my throat without reading what I posted or didn’t agree with me and didn’t know how to convey their disagreement without being insulting

I'ts cool.
do post pics though pre herrasy EC are among my favorites

Take it as a compliment. It's cool that a younger kid really liked your army and wanted to paint his like yours. You might tell him that it would be better if he picked his own army colors, but I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.

Happy gaming!

This is perfect example of people really not taking the time to understand the situation before posting.

Did Laughing God rip the kid apart and yell at him? No.
Did he make snide remarks, harsh critiques, insulting comments about the other player's models? No.
Did he do anything that deserves harsh responses at all? No.

Knee jerk responses are common, human, and understandable. I would probably be surprised and a little annoyed if someone copied my exact scheme because it's very personal to me. Imitation may the be sincerest form of flattery but it doesn't mean everyone is going to like it or respond to it in the same way.

The fact that Laughing God came onto Dakka, a place where he felt he could get some objective assessment, friendly advice, and perhaps some other people's experiences shows that he didn't want to react harshly and was curious as to whether he should adjust his views and re-think his immediate reaction. The fact that he did this, rather than take matters into his own hands immediately, shows a great deal more maturity than what I can see in the rest of the posters in this thread.

To be fair, there have been a couple of mature responses to his initial post but, quite frankly, most of the responses are unnecessarily puerile, angry, and downright insulting for really no reason at all. Honestly, judging by the responses alone (if I hadn't read his original post) I would have assumed Laughing God had bitched the kid out, smashed his models, and sent him home crying.

Is this seriously what you guys expect when you log on to Dakka? Especially when someone comes asking for an opinion and help resolving an issue?

Piss poor, Dakka, piss poor indeed. I'm a little ashamed.

DoW

*Ahem.*

Chaos is begin to grow.

Now that that is out of the way, bring him in as your lieutenant! So yeah he maybe stole your idea, I'd be a little upset too and you certainly aren't overreacting. But think of how cool it is to say "Yeah, my warband's here fighting at the Cadian gate, while a detachment is over there raiding an Imperial world! "

He simply liked the scheme, I'd be slightly wary if someone used my own schemes or designs, but in it seems he simply wished to use a cooler scheme than his own and liked your skill.

DogOfWar wrote:This is perfect example of people really not taking the time to understand the situation before posting.

Did Laughing God rip the kid apart and yell at him? No.
Did he make snide remarks, harsh critiques, insulting comments about the other player's models? No.
Did he do anything that deserves harsh responses at all? No.

Knee jerk responses are common, human, and understandable. I would probably be surprised and a little annoyed if someone copied my exact scheme because it's very personal to me. Imitation may the be sincerest form of flattery but it doesn't mean everyone is going to like it or respond to it in the same way.

The fact that Laughing God came onto Dakka, a place where he felt he could get some objective assessment, friendly advice, and perhaps some other people's experiences shows that he didn't want to react harshly and was curious as to whether he should adjust his views and re-think his immediate reaction. The fact that he did this, rather than take matters into his own hands immediately, shows a great deal more maturity than what I can see in the rest of the posters in this thread.

To be fair, there have been a couple of mature responses to his initial post but, quite frankly, most of the responses are unnecessarily puerile, angry, and downright insulting for really no reason at all. Honestly, judging by the responses alone (if I hadn't read his original post) I would have assumed Laughing God had bitched the kid out, smashed his models, and sent him home crying.

Is this seriously what you guys expect when you log on to Dakka? Especially when someone comes asking for an opinion and help resolving an issue?

Piss poor, Dakka, piss poor indeed. I'm a little ashamed.

DoW

Now being the guy that usually tells DAKKA "shame on you all!" I can safely say I dont think DAKKA overreacted at all really. The guy was complaining and moaning that someone else liked his army scheme, and so started to copy it. Really?! What do you expect from the rest of DAKKA? A good job, a pat on the back and a gold TFG pin?

I think the posts are not harsh. He asks if how would we react and should he care or not.

My answer on the post stands. Laughing God apparently cared about it and made his post. Even the amount of posts this thread has and arguments in it is a proof of it.

I have got to say it is very easy to misunderstand the sentiment and implied tone of some posts on the internet, simply because it is a faceless and arguably emotionally void medium where literal meaning sometimes becomes too literal. Lets all just relax a minute here.

laughing god felt irked, i get that. I do not think he should have been, but reading the peoples posts who think the situation was digressed upon to much also makes a lot of sense. We should not get too aggressive about the whole thing though, people react in different ways to different things that is all it is.

Do you know what would be really funny though, if someone copied my post and only changed a few of the words here and there (same meaning but different words) i am laughing about it now but i think i may or may not be irked a bit by it, not to mention the mods won't consider it spam

P.S. Spell check is your friend.

KingCracker wrote:Now being the guy that usually tells DAKKA "shame on you all!" I can safely say I dont think DAKKA overreacted at all really. The guy was complaining and moaning that someone else liked his army scheme, and so started to copy it. Really?! What do you expect from the rest of DAKKA? A good job, a pat on the back and a gold TFG pin?

Hmm, well you have a point. But I still think the posts along the lines of "Grow up!" and "I can't believe you even asked this!" were a little out of line.

Again, if he had actually done something rude or unpleasant to the kid then fine, flame away. But holding his tongue, going online, and just asking if it's okay to feel annoyed isn't really worthy of slamming. Just my 2 cents.

DoW

The only time I would say something along these lines would be OK to get upset is if the example were that the OP had a specific army and build. He did well with it, and the kid in question constantly insulted the OP about how gakky SM were and how much they sucked, and THEN copied his army and build to the letter just to try and beat the OP. Make sense? Then Id say yes, complain away as that kid is an asshat. But this is just paint jobs we are talking here

I'd be pretty proud of my army for inspiring another person and I'd ask the kid if he wanted to do some 2v2 with me.

Normally Id agree with you, my example I meant more like, they trashed your army only to copy it to have a chance to beat you. Guess I wasnt very clear on that part

DeathReaper wrote:I have got to say it is very easy to misunderstand the sentiment and implied tone of some posts on the internet, simply because it is a faceless and arguably emotionally void medium where literal meaning sometimes becomes too literal. Lets all just relax a minute here.

laughing god felt irked, i get that. I do not think he should have been, but reading the peoples posts who think the situation was digressed upon to much also makes a lot of sense. We should not get too aggressive about the whole thing though, people react in different ways to different things that is all it is.

Do you know what would be really funny though, if someone copied my post and only changed a few of the words here and there (same meaning but different words) i am laughing about it now but i think i may or may not be irked a bit by it, not to mention the mods won't consider it spam

P.S. Spell check is your friend.

why youuuuu...../shakes fist lol

People overreacted on both sides, here.

Keep it friendly, guys. We're all in the same hobby here.

I have certainly known lots of people over the years who are proud and possessive of their paint schemes. People like being unique and may take it amiss to have their work copied. Flattered is a reasonable way to feel as well. They're both natural and understandable human reactions.

With an official GW-created scheme, I concur that you can't really be possessive. But if someone is copying (or attempting to) your exact techniques and imitating the little distinct variations, unit markings, etc., I can see wondering what they are thinking; if they really want their models to be confused with yours, or what. It could potentially cause real life confusion and models to be lost or switched around, say if one of you leaves one on a table at some point.

When it comes to unique schemes, I do think it's good etiquette to ask. Three friends of mine who are (or were) fluff gurus coordinated like this once. Once of them had his Space Marine chapter the Void Knights, with a specific paint scheme, organization, etc. And two of the other guys in the group wanted to build vanilla armies as secondary forces, liked his force and asked to do homage forces, and make other companies of the same chapter. It was pretty sweet.

*Historical trivia: One of the "imitators" in this situation was the founder of this website.

Mannahnin wrote:With an official GW-created scheme, I concur that you can't really be possessive. But if someone is copying (or attempting to) your exact techniques and imitating the little distinct variations, unit markings, etc., I can see wondering what they are thinking; if they really want their models to be confused with yours, or what. It could potentially cause real life confusion and models to be lost or switched around, say if one of you leaves one on a table at some point.

This is, I think, part of the problem. OP implied that his scheme was unique then acknowledged that it wasn't, except in a few details. He also implied that the kid copied it exactly then it turned out that he didn't.

So, there really wasn't any copying - the kid just liked his pre-H EC's and painted a squad of his minis in pre-H EC colours.

ITT:
Wear red shirt with some ironic meme/joke printed on the chest to party.
Another dude walks in, sees your shirt and leaves.
Comes back later wearing the same shirt.

terranarc wrote:ITT:
Wear red shirt with some ironic meme/joke printed on the chest to party.
Another dude walks in, sees your shirt and leaves.
Comes back later wearing the same shirt.

You go to the mall and complain to every person that passes by.

AustonT wrote:

terranarc wrote:ITT:
Wear red shirt with some ironic meme/joke printed on the chest to party.
Another dude walks in, sees your shirt and leaves.
Comes back later wearing the same shirt.

You go to the mall and complain to every person that passes by.

That is a strange mall.. unless there was a star wars convention goin on and everyone was dressed up as stormtroopers.

Well I was going to say you complain to your friends...but Dakka isn't quite all your own friends. So it's kind of like complaining to like minded strangers, mall is what I came up with.

AustonT wrote:Well I was going to say you complain to your friends...but Dakka isn't quite all your own friends. So it's kind of like complaining to like minded strangers, mall is what I came up with.

Except that he didn't complain, he asked if he was out of line with his initial train of thought.

Again, if he was bitching and moaning and calling for the kid to be hanged, fair enough. Asking for advice doesn't warrant mob justice.

For what it's worth, I think it was a little silly to be so worked up about it, but I'm impressed that he held his tongue and sought out a friendly ear on the issue. Some folks I know would have just thrown a temper tantrum on the spot (okay, maybe just sulked and moodily made snarky comments). Which do you think is more appropriate?

DoW

DogOfWar wrote:

AustonT wrote:Well I was going to say you complain to your friends...but Dakka isn't quite all your own friends. So it's kind of like complaining to like minded strangers, mall is what I came up with.

Except that he didn't complain, he asked if he was out of line with his initial train of thought.

Again, if he was bitching and moaning and calling for the kid to be hanged, fair enough. Asking for advice doesn't warrant mob justice.

For what it's worth, I think it was a little silly to be so worked up about it, but I'm impressed that he held his tongue and sought out a friendly ear on the issue. Some folks I know would have just thrown a temper tantrum on the spot (okay, maybe just sulked and moodily made snarky comments). Which do you think is more appropriate?

DoW

Thank God he waited to get to internet before throwing his passive aggressive temper tantrum.

Meh just going to chalk this one up to being a little over protective of a commonly used paint scheme. I come from a very small gaming group back home; this probably has a lot to do with my bias and unnecessary quest to be unique in different groups. In my gaming group everyone plays different armies everyone’s painted different, idk just a lot of pride in that individuality. Live and learn though. Me and the kid can share tips now and hopefully get some games in.
I will still say though it’s not like bit the kids head off or freaked out about it. For all those players who think my post was even going too far I don’t know what to tell you. Sorry that I was annoyed by someone with the same paint scheme as me is all I got. That still doesn’t make me this immature sack of gak some of you are trying to make me out to be. I was just curious what some neutral parties would do in my stead. Insulting me and being sarcastic wasn’t the way to go about delivering your message. But hey it takes all kinds to make the world go round and the world certainly isn’t short for donkey-caves. haha
Thanks to everyone who has posted so far in a positive, negative, or neutral manner, the read has been…. enlightening. lol

If someone though I'd done something so cool they wanted to copy it like-for-like I'd be more embarrassed than angry.

AustonT wrote:Well I was going to say you complain to your friends...but Dakka isn't quite all your own friends. So it's kind of like complaining to like minded strangers, mall is what I came up with.

Wait DAKKA isnt all your friends??? So....what about me?! I thought everyone on here was my friends, some best friends! A couple lovers even!!!!

KingCracker wrote:

AustonT wrote:Well I was going to say you complain to your friends...but Dakka isn't quite all your own friends. So it's kind of like complaining to like minded strangers, mall is what I came up with.

Wait DAKKA isnt all your friends??? So....what about me?! I thought everyone on here was my friends, some best friends! A couple lovers even!!!!

Let's be real. Dakka is like a den of tigers. One might want you to pet it, one might try to claw your eyes out. If you return the same tigers may change sides.

Howard A Treesong wrote:If someone though I'd done something so cool they wanted to copy it like-for-like I'd be more embarrassed than angry.

I'd be flattered to the point of embarrassment

To the OP: if it's bothering you that much, just feel better knowing that your work is so much better than his!

AustonT wrote:

DogOfWar wrote:

AustonT wrote:Well I was going to say you complain to your friends...but Dakka isn't quite all your own friends. So it's kind of like complaining to like minded strangers, mall is what I came up with.

Except that he didn't complain, he asked if he was out of line with his initial train of thought.

Again, if he was bitching and moaning and calling for the kid to be hanged, fair enough. Asking for advice doesn't warrant mob justice.

For what it's worth, I think it was a little silly to be so worked up about it, but I'm impressed that he held his tongue and sought out a friendly ear on the issue. Some folks I know would have just thrown a temper tantrum on the spot (okay, maybe just sulked and moodily made snarky comments). Which do you think is more appropriate?

DoW

Thank God he waited to get to internet before throwing his passive aggressive temper tantrum.

Are you being sarcastic? Would you rather he was the type of person who would lay into a child about it?

If that's what you think he should have done, then I disagree.

DoW

AustonT wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

AustonT wrote:Well I was going to say you complain to your friends...but Dakka isn't quite all your own friends. So it's kind of like complaining to like minded strangers, mall is what I came up with.

Wait DAKKA isnt all your friends??? So....what about me?! I thought everyone on here was my friends, some best friends! A couple lovers even!!!!

Let's be real. Dakka is like a den of tigers. One might want you to pet it, one might try to claw your eyes out. If you return the same tigers may change sides.

That describes DAKKA nicely actually. But just an FYI, Im pretending that you said bears instead

KingCracker wrote:

AustonT wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

AustonT wrote:Well I was going to say you complain to your friends...but Dakka isn't quite all your own friends. So it's kind of like complaining to like minded strangers, mall is what I came up with.

Wait DAKKA isnt all your friends??? So....what about me?! I thought everyone on here was my friends, some best friends! A couple lovers even!!!!

Let's be real. Dakka is like a den of tigers. One might want you to pet it, one might try to claw your eyes out. If you return the same tigers may change sides.

That describes DAKKA nicely actually. But just an FYI, Im pretending that you said bears instead

Cats are more mercurial.
BAM! used that gak in a sentence.

I would be pretty annoyed. I actually expierianced this once. I used to paint Roman Numerals on my squad shoulder pads, the Sgt at I. It would help me place them in the exact right place each time. Some guy saw this. Two days later, I come in and see his guys have the exact same number on his Ultras. Even with the flamer being IX and the Heavy Weapon X.

What kicked me in the shins was the fact he had used transfers while I only painted lines. No one else did this, and it was kinda my thing I felt. Now his two sons do it too. -.-

Deadshot wrote:I would be pretty annoyed. I actually expierianced this once. I used to paint Roman Numerals on my squad shoulder pads, the Sgt at I. It would help me place them in the exact right place each time. Some guy saw this. Two days later, I come in and see his guys have the exact same number on his Ultras. Even with the flamer being IX and the Heavy Weapon X.

What kicked me in the shins was the fact he had used transfers while I only painted lines. No one else did this, and it was kinda my thing I felt. Now his two sons do it too. -.-

Hence why I always choose either really obscure army schemes or else highly detailed ones.

For example, I played Salamanders back in 3rd ed when they were 'the suck' and had the -1I penalty. I also made sure to add honour markings & flames to every single marine! No one could ever imitate my sallies because there were no transfers and most people are lazy.

Now with my Daemons, I went to town on the bases. Sure, copy my colour scheme, have fun trying not to go insane copying my bases though! (all the horrors for example have dryad bits & green stuff along with a few space wolf & eldar trophies)
And with my newest Chaos Marines project, I'm painting them as Hakanor's Reavers. Sure it's been done, but I can rest asured knowing that absolutely no one in my local area is good enough to copy mine, or else the few who are simply too lazy to ever go that route.

I'd only be a bit angry if he's paint job was better than mine, but that's only because I'm competitive. Is that why we have 3 pages of this thread, because I don't think there's a reason to have this massive a deal over this.... I just think that if they copied my army's scheme, they're just my rivals and they're only another competing commander I'm going defeat eventually....

I didn't know warhammer had hipsters.

This is a perfect example of First World Problems.

Get off your pedestal bro.

LordTyphus wrote:I didn't know warhammer had hipsters.

They only play Warhammer ironically.

They also generally hate the Ultramarines and will fail to find an excuse beyond "they get all support", "flagship", "everyone plays them" or an equivalent that unknowingly implies one of those.

OP I wouldn't be so disturbed by it you should feel happy in the knowledge that your someones role model.

and just think of him as your #1 fan , cause he obviiously thinks your paint scheme is awesome

n0t_u wrote:They also generally hate the Ultramarines and will fail to find an excuse beyond "they get all support", "flagship", "everyone plays them" or an equivalent that unknowingly implies one of those.

I hate ultramarines for very simple and definable reasons:
They are blue.
Red must always triumph over blue.

Funny the blue is basically all I like about them. They just seem a bit bland in comparison to most other chapters.

I'm actually too tired to work up the bilious hatred that I have for Ultras which are many and varied. the RvB is good enough for now.

n0t_u wrote:They also generally hate the Ultramarines and will fail to find an excuse beyond "they get all support", "flagship", "everyone plays them" or an equivalent that unknowingly implies one of those.

Why bring them up?

Man OP, I feel for you.

On one hand, it's hardly a big deal, and you've admitted that, which is cool.

Thing of it is, a thread like this attracts a lot of attention. It's like one of those "Dipping is cheating" threads. You get tons of people getting mad about it.

I understand your position though. Yeah, it can get annoying. But it's not like you called him out on it and berated him.

Deadshot wrote:I would be pretty annoyed. I actually expierianced this once. I used to paint Roman Numerals on my squad shoulder pads, the Sgt at I. It would help me place them in the exact right place each time. Some guy saw this. Two days later, I come in and see his guys have the exact same number on his Ultras. Even with the flamer being IX and the Heavy Weapon X.

What kicked me in the shins was the fact he had used transfers while I only painted lines. No one else did this, and it was kinda my thing I felt. Now his two sons do it too. -.-

Jesus mother of god! You mean he used the decals, for what they were intended for? Get right out of town!!!


Seriously this thread is just full of more and more annoying whiners. Im certainly bowing out.

KingCracker wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I would be pretty annoyed. I actually expierianced this once. I used to paint Roman Numerals on my squad shoulder pads, the Sgt at I. It would help me place them in the exact right place each time. Some guy saw this. Two days later, I come in and see his guys have the exact same number on his Ultras. Even with the flamer being IX and the Heavy Weapon X.

What kicked me in the shins was the fact he had used transfers while I only painted lines. No one else did this, and it was kinda my thing I felt. Now his two sons do it too. -.-

Jesus mother of god! You mean he used the decals, for what they were intended for? Get right out of town!!!


Seriously this thread is just full of more and more annoying whiners. Im certainly bowing out.

It was the fact he had apparently had them for years and never changed them and I come in and what happens?

And? So he doesnt put on squad markings so? Im going out on a limb here and guessing your NOT the first person to put squad markings on your army yes? Wheres the WTF moticon when need one

I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

Deadshot wrote:I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

Except it's not like that at all.

You had a good idea (which I'm totally stealing also btw) to make sure you knew which marine was what and where they were at all times. Someone else saw that idea, decided it worked well, and implemented it.

They aren't profiting off of it.
They aren't stealing anything from you.
You helped them get better.


Why is that bad?

Same happened to me though. I once took my painted army to the shop to game and played a guy who had an unpainted force. Didn't think much of it until the next time me met, he'd painted it! The swine, if he hadn't met me then they would have stayed as grey plastic. Oh the horror of it, what gives him the right to paint his stuff just because I did? Well he should never forget, if he hadn't met me he wouldn't have painted his army!! I MADE HIM THE MAN HE IS DAMN IT!!!

In a game where truly unique paint schemes don't appear very often, how really unique is yours? Is it easily identifiable as pre-hersey emperor's children to those that would recognize such? If so then your paint scheme is all that unique. You've never once seen a paint job in white dwarf or somewhere on dakka and thought, "wow that paint scheme is great I need to paint a unit like that!"?? I don't know too many painters who haven't done that dozens of times.

That said I paint my models to make them look the way I want them to look, not for uniqueness or anything else but that is the color I wanted them to be and the overall effect is what I wanted, so I've never been upset with people painting similar schemes to mine. The only time I get upset is if someone uses the same scheme and makes it look much better than mine and then I have to kill them and bury their body in the middle of the woods where no one will find it.

Skriker

rigeld2 wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

Except it's not like that at all.

You had a good idea (which I'm totally stealing also btw) to make sure you knew which marine was what and where they were at all times. Someone else saw that idea, decided it worked well, and implemented it.

They aren't profiting off of it.
They aren't stealing anything from you.
You helped them get better.


Why is that bad?

In 4 words? He didn't ask first. He just took the idea. Normally if people ask I say yes, and probably wouldv'e. But the other thing is he left me with nothing. Nothing unique in the gaming group. Just some badly painted marines with black lines on the shoulder. It was soul crushing..I was alright when it was just me because the numerals were a point of interest. Now they are common place.

Also, feel free to use the idea. As long as I don't know or play you feel free. At least you gave warning.


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Skriker wrote:In a game where truly unique paint schemes don't appear very often, how really unique is yours? Is it easily identifiable as pre-hersey emperor's children to those that would recognize such? If so then your paint scheme is all that unique. You've never once seen a paint job in white dwarf or somewhere on dakka and thought, "wow that paint scheme is great I need to paint a unit like that!"?? I don't know too many painters who haven't done that dozens of times.

That said I paint my models to make them look the way I want them to look, not for uniqueness or anything else but that is the color I wanted them to be and the overall effect is what I wanted, so I've never been upset with people painting similar schemes to mine. The only time I get upset is if someone uses the same scheme and makes it look much better than mine and then I have to kill them and bury their body in the middle of the woods where no one will find it.

Skriker

Last paragraph is what I am trying to describe. He took my idea and did it better. Very depressing.

Deadshot wrote:I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

And if you could prove he stole your book idea then you could sue him for millions. Hardly the same thing.

Meanwhile roman numerals as squad markings is hardly unique in any fantasy or sci-fi game. In fact it is spread throughout the line of Space Marine Codecies from the beginning. Roman numerals are hardly all that unique and maybe *you* should have used some more unique form of numbering on your models instead and then you wouldn't be so upset. Getting whiny about someone else in the group putting roman numeral squad markings on their models is like whining that another Ultramarines player painted their army blue too.

Skriker




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Deadshot wrote:

In 4 words? He didn't ask first. He just took the idea. Normally if people ask I say yes, and probably wouldv'e. But the other thing is he left me with nothing. Nothing unique in the gaming group. Just some badly painted marines with black lines on the shoulder. It was soul crushing..I was alright when it was just me because the numerals were a point of interest. Now they are common place.

Also, feel free to use the idea. As long as I don't know or play you feel free. At least you gave warning.

Wow I need your permission to do whatever I wish with MY minis. A little full of ourself aren't we? I don't care who you are or what you do with your minis, so don't expect me to ask permission to paint and detail my minis as I choose to, especially something as obviously derivative and common as roman numeral markings on marines. Really? I could have been planning such a detail on my minis for months and finally had collected enough decals to do it on every model at once, when you come along and suddenly I'm supposed to ask permission to complete a plan I've been purchasing decals for for months? Not gonna happen...

Deadshot wrote:
Last paragraph is what I am trying to describe. He took my idea and did it better. Very depressing.

Difference: I am joking...you don't seem to be.

Skriker

For one, the book was an example, and hyperbole at that.

Secondly, I wasn't giving.permission or not. I said I don't mind that you want to steal my idea (your words, not mine).

Thirdly, I am not whiney. I could've told him I didn't want to do.it because its.my thing. Or I could've nerdraged. If he had said "Pretty cool, can.I use it?" I would've told hin yes. All it is is common courtesy. He asks my consent, even though he'll ignore my response, and I say yes because he asked.

Deadshot wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I WAS the only one to do it in my area, which is the point. Sure, other people put Ultra and IF symbols but I was the only one to do roman numerals for each individual marine. He stole it from me. My thing. Its like if someone stole your great idea for a story and just edited it slightly to his taste and it ended up so much better and a bestseller and you sold one copy. To your mum.

Except it's not like that at all.

You had a good idea (which I'm totally stealing also btw) to make sure you knew which marine was what and where they were at all times. Someone else saw that idea, decided it worked well, and implemented it.

They aren't profiting off of it.
They aren't stealing anything from you.
You helped them get better.


Why is that bad?

In 4 words? He didn't ask first. He just took the idea. Normally if people ask I say yes, and probably wouldv'e. But the other thing is he left me with nothing. Nothing unique in the gaming group. Just some badly painted marines with black lines on the shoulder. It was soul crushing..I was alright when it was just me because the numerals were a point of interest. Now they are common place.

Also, feel free to use the idea. As long as I don't know or play you feel free. At least you gave warning.


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Skriker wrote:In a game where truly unique paint schemes don't appear very often, how really unique is yours? Is it easily identifiable as pre-hersey emperor's children to those that would recognize such? If so then your paint scheme is all that unique. You've never once seen a paint job in white dwarf or somewhere on dakka and thought, "wow that paint scheme is great I need to paint a unit like that!"?? I don't know too many painters who haven't done that dozens of times.

That said I paint my models to make them look the way I want them to look, not for uniqueness or anything else but that is the color I wanted them to be and the overall effect is what I wanted, so I've never been upset with people painting similar schemes to mine. The only time I get upset is if someone uses the same scheme and makes it look much better than mine and then I have to kill them and bury their body in the middle of the woods where no one will find it.

Skriker

Last paragraph is what I am trying to describe. He took my idea and did it better. Very depressing.

It's not YOUR idea, many people have done it before. He also doesn't need your permission. If you're gonna get your pants bunched up over stuff like this make sure you patent your painting methods.

As far the local group went, it was my idea. I did it first, in THAT GROUP and was the only one at the time.

Let me rephrase my problem. I dislike people doing the same thing as me. I like individuality.

Rogues Gambit wrote:WOW

so many people here are against the OP...i'm actually surprised. well maybe not against, more like of a different opinion and feel.

but i have to say, if you put a lot of effort into your army and then someone comes along and copys it, i'm thinking same paint scheme, same models same list and all that jazz...well i would be really pissed.

it would totally deflate me, here is someone who has totally ripped off my theme and army...i would be totally deflated.

on the other hand i paint my armys very similar to GW enough to say i copy cat GW...so seeing an army similar to mine would not be a surprise. I would love someone to come up and say oh man that looks awesome, i wanna paint mine like that. Well i would be bananas to try and help then, i would tell them the paints i used the techniques and brushes and everything so they might be able to copy me.

but someone just showing up, and then re-painting their army and changing their list to mine the next week with out talking to me about it or inquiring about stuff..well i would be very annoyed enough to sell the whole army nd start a new one. Even if it is a similar style to GW.

so shoot me i like to be an individualist like everyone else

Think it was just painting, not his army list

Deadshot wrote:

n0t_u wrote:They also generally hate the Ultramarines and will fail to find an excuse beyond "they get all support", "flagship", "everyone plays them" or an equivalent that unknowingly implies one of those.

Why bring them up?

Hipsters hate things that are mainstream. Some have genuine hate for them for a real reason, but from seeing it pop up a fair few times it doesn't seem to get much past a general hate for them because they are everywhere or popular.

Thus it is sort of an equivalent for 40k. That is not to say that everyone that dislikes them is one. Merely poking a little fun at the whole thing.

Yeah but no one had mentioned them?

Was a direct response to the previous post.

AustonT wrote:

LordTyphus wrote:I didn't know warhammer had hipsters.

They only play Warhammer ironically.

Ah. I didn't see the connection.

Deadshot wrote:...I like individuality.

Yes, we know, you are unique...

Just like everyone else...

Dude, it was some numbers on Space Marines. Look in the SM codex they even tell you what the squad's markings look like. and those transfer sheets... come with roman numerals 1-10.

you are hardly the first person to have that idea.

Do not sweat the small stuff.

Am I going to get grief from the Soviet Union because I copied their paint scheme onto my Leman Russes?

I hope not!

Deadshot wrote:For one, the book was an example, and hyperbole at that.

Secondly, I wasn't giving.permission or not. I said I don't mind that you want to steal my idea (your words, not mine).

Thirdly, I am not whiney. I could've told him I didn't want to do.it because its.my thing. Or I could've nerdraged. If he had said "Pretty cool, can.I use it?" I would've told hin yes. All it is is common courtesy. He asks my consent, even though he'll ignore my response, and I say yes because he asked.

Your line I quote: "In 4 words? He didn't ask first. "

That very heavily implies that you needed to give your permission. That is exactly what you wrote. What part of that did I get wrong? The only reason for him to ask first is so that you could say it was OK for him to do it too. That is *giving permission*. It all boils down to the fact that you are effectively claiming ownership over some unique thing that isn't unique at all in space marine armies, so much so that they actually make decals to do it.

It is fine to want to be unique and have individuality. Given that I find it kind of amusing that you chose to play space marines, the single most popular army in the entirety of 40k.

Skriker

Unit1126PLL wrote:Am I going to get grief from the Soviet Union because I copied their paint scheme onto my Leman Russes?

I hope not!

In Soviet Russia, grief gets YOU!!

Skriker wrote:

Deadshot wrote:For one, the book was an example, and hyperbole at that.

Secondly, I wasn't giving.permission or not. I said I don't mind that you want to steal my idea (your words, not mine).

Thirdly, I am not whiney. I could've told him I didn't want to do.it because its.my thing. Or I could've nerdraged. If he had said "Pretty cool, can.I use it?" I would've told hin yes. All it is is common courtesy. He asks my consent, even though he'll ignore my response, and I say yes because he asked.

Your line I quote: "In 4 words? He didn't ask first. "

That very heavily implies that you needed to give your permission. That is exactly what you wrote. What part of that did I get wrong? The only reason for him to ask first is so that you could say it was OK for him to do it too. That is *giving permission*. It all boils down to the fact that you are effectively claiming ownership over some unique thing that isn't unique at all in space marine armies, so much so that they actually make decals to do it.

It is fine to want to be unique and have individuality. Given that I find it kind of amusing that you chose to play space marines, the single most popular army in the entirety of 40k.

Skriker

Just because I play SM (I bought a starter set, and played nids first. I decided just to paint the 10 men and had nothing better to do. Now I like them) doesn't mean I have no uniqueness. I am the only player who actually uses Blood Ravens as a main scheme and was the only person to use individual markings, decals or.not. It was my thing, my trademark, if you will, in that gaming group. No one else did that. Now other people do that. And with the event known as C:BA, everyone and his Squig seems to think red marine = BA even though I don't use that codex and have bone coloured shoulder pads.

Now, I am one of 4 people I can think of who use that numbering thing ( or did use it. I don't like it anymore, has become too common around these parts) and probably others too. Other people paint Blood Ravens. Maybe not as a main army or even a just a single unit, and the BA above.

I am a person who needs a "thing" within a gamibg group. Ie- The guy with lots of tanks, the guy with all conversions or the guy with all PROXIES tfor examples. I have no thing. It kills me. The OP asked if it would annoy me if someone took my thing ( his example was a colour scheme) without asking or notifying? Reread these last few pages for an answer. Yes, it does.

Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

KingCracker wrote:Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

BAM!
I keep coming back to this thread to check if the OP has posted his snowflake pre heresy ECs, still no joy it appears. Maybe his unique PHECs are in fact an Eldar army.

KingCracker wrote:Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

Just because you look like an Ork doesn't mean you have to have the manners of one.

DoW

Seriously. Way to elevate the thread.

How does one elevate a thread that's basic premise is to cry to the community about how someone copied your paint job of a mainline army described in detail and done by at least hundreds and more likely thousands of people. This thread was pedantic when it began, my nieces and nephews are as churlish about being copied. You want this thread elevated

remember where it cane from.

Glad to see Im not the only one that thinks this way

this thread is a great way to know whose posts i should ignore in the future. Very informative

AustonT wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

BAM!
I keep coming back to this thread to check if the OP has posted his snowflake pre heresy ECs, still no joy it appears. Maybe his unique PHECs are in fact an Eldar army.

Sorry been on the rifle range all week teaching 350+ Marines how to shoot. Easy job but LLLOOOONNNGGG hours let me tell you. Got around to posting those pics if you want to check them out. I'm not the best painter in the world but it’s MY table top standard I feel. I'll get some pics of the kids units this weekend so you can see the similarities and differences. Kind of moot at this point since I got the F over it pretty quick and it was more of an inspiration that a direct copy after I talked to the kid.

KingCracker wrote:Well you could quit being a baby about it. That can be your thing.

Everything you have posted on this thread so far boils down to: “Quit being a whiny bitch about it” lol That’s all. And while I respect the honesty and blunt straightforwardness of it all you aren’t making any kind of point, you aren’t giving any examples were you have seen something unique you have done with your army then got annoyed when you saw it from someone else, you haven’t even mentioned the flip side how you might been flattered when you see the same thing you did in other armies which would be the other stance. All you have done this whole thread is insult and make snide comments man. Lol If people who get annoyed with similar armies really bother you THAT much then why keep posting or reading the thread that you are not contributing anything significant to? I don’t know you but I’ll assume you are an adult who’s time is valuable and can make rational argument why not put your efforts elsewhere in a thread that doesnt bother you or you actually give two gaks about or say what you are really trying to say without being an asshat

KingCracker wrote:Glad to see Im not the only one that thinks this way

Awwww Bromance is so cute lol

Well so far we have the opinion that people who are annoyed by similar armies or people who get ideas from there army are just whiners, we have those people who get annoyed when they see something thought was there original idea get used by someone else, and people who get flattered or are indifferent either way when they see it. Good stuff one and all. Has anyone here made a no gak DIY SM chapter, Chaos Warband, Tyranid splinter fleet, tau sept, ect... that they thought was there good original idea, colors, icons, what have you... then someone else saw it and decided to do the exact same thing? Just curious if that’s happened to anyone and I guess expresses my overall point better.

Laughing God wrote:Has anyone here made a no gak DIY SM chapter, Chaos Warband, Tyranid splinter fleet, tau sept, ect... that they thought was there good original idea, colors, icons, what have you... then someone else saw it and decided to do the exact same thing? Just curious if that’s happened to anyone and I guess expresses my overall point better.

Well I have a DIY armored regiment and a DIY Marine chapter.

A friend had me paint his LRBTs in my regimental colors, which flattered me.

Another friend copied my paint scheme but not my play style for my chapter, and he doesn't care about fluff. As far as I see it, my chapter's 1st Company Veterans (my army) are very skilled at the core tenets of my chapter's battle-tactics, while his army (another company) represents an overlooked / alternative form of warfare that his company sees as more necessary than my company. Being an Iron Hands successor, the Clan Companies really do act like this sometimes.

I will open this with a compliment dude. Your painting is very nice and the Emperor's Children look great for tabletop!

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Its my own design and my own EC derived warband,

I will however say that they are exactly like any other Emperor's Children force floating around on the internet. Purple, gold, nothing innovative. Now I definitely don't regret piling into this thread earlier, you really did pull the tissues out.

Laughing God wrote:Its my own design and my own EC derived warband, guess it would be like coming up with your own DYI SM chapter then another guy in your group doing the same thing because he thought it was cool without asking or talking to you. Cool? Not cool? Should I not care? How would you feel?

Seriously, did anyone actually read the original post?

He asked for advice, opinions, and similar interactions to prompt a discussion. Disagreeing with his rationale and being direct is one thing, flatly making things up is quite another.

Where did people get the 'tissues' and 'whining' and 'bitching' that they keep bring up again and again? This started out as a perfectly rational discussion that was blown completely out of proportion.

Why? Internet egos? Pure laziness? I guess it is easier to throw out an insult than to actually take the time to understand the situation and perhaps empathize a little.

DoW

I'm totally with OP. How dare that guy use transfers?

Eiríkr wrote:I will open this with a compliment dude. Your painting is very nice and the Emperor's Children look great for tabletop!

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Its my own design and my own EC derived warband,

I will however say that they are exactly like any other Emperor's Children force floating around on the internet. Purple, gold, nothing innovative. Now I definitely don't regret piling into this thread earlier, you really did pull the tissues out.

You are very right, reading back on my first post it seemed very whiny and teenage girlish, but I got over it fast. I blame my biased on being in a small group... or the fact that I was drunk when I posted that. lol I also looked at your Emperors children I got to say I like your work too. I really want to capture the dark gritty work you did with a EC dreadnought and Keeper of Secrets when the new codex comes out. Maybe more wash work? idk Props to you sir and no hard feelings

DogOfWar wrote:

Laughing God wrote:Its my own design and my own EC derived warband, guess it would be like coming up with your own DYI SM chapter then another guy in your group doing the same thing because he thought it was cool without asking or talking to you. Cool? Not cool? Should I not care? How would you feel?

Seriously, did anyone actually read the original post?

He asked for advice, opinions, and similar interactions to prompt a discussion. Disagreeing with his rationale and being direct is one thing, flatly making things up is quite another.

Where did people get the 'tissues' and 'whining' and 'bitching' that they keep bring up again and again? This started out as a perfectly rational discussion that was blown completely out of proportion.

Why? Internet egos? Pure laziness? I guess it is easier to throw out an insult than to actually take the time to understand the situation and perhaps empathize a little.

DoW

Thanks for the defense in a lot of my posts DogOf War, thus is the nature of the internet. Allot is lost in translation and some people react with their emotion at the time and say what they feel rather than what they mean. Just got to let it go, people will post what they post. If people want to contribute to what the OP considers as logical discussion and topic than good, if they want to waste their time with insults and meaningless one to two sentence blirps than nobody can stop them. Maybe they aren’t communicating what they mean well? Maybe we are reading it wrong? Maybe they are A-holes and we should give less of a gak. Idk lol Just don't sweat it.

angel of ecstasy wrote:I'm totally with OP. How dare that guy use transfers?

None of my work is transfers. This to me is a generality as to why I was originally annoyed. I could give 2 gaks if someone uses decals, but if someone used a paint scheme that I was the only one to use out of any of my gaming groups AFTER he saw mine then ya I was a little annoyed. But people are right and it is a developed paint scheme that I have no right over. I'm glad to see that horrendous black and pink isn’t spreading actually lol. I'm not trying to be self-righteous or anything, just never had that happen and wanted other peoples take on it.

Must say though after looking at your own gallery I do love what you did with your own EC. I'm still not a fan of Black and Pink but you not only made it look good but also your conversion work is amazing and probably cost half as much as my army. lol

Laughing God wrote:

AustonT wrote:
I keep coming back to this thread to check if the OP has posted his snowflake pre heresy ECs, still no joy it appears. Maybe his unique PHECs are in fact an Eldar army.

Got around to posting those pics if you want to check them out. I'm not the best painter in the world but it’s MY table top standard I feel. I'll get some pics of the kids units this weekend so you can see the similarities and differences. Kind of moot at this point since I got the F over it pretty quick and it was more of an inspiration that a direct copy after I talked to the kid.

I wouldn't sell yourself short, IMO your ECs are painted beyond just a TT standard. The lighter purple outline style may not be in vogue right now, but I could give two gaks it looks good. I think by now you seem to have realized it's NBD that some other kid painted his gak like yours, or at least I hope you have. Like Erikir said there's nothing overly special or unique about your EC that I would be able to spot from anyone else's.

AustonT wrote: I think by now you seem to have realized it's NBD that some other kid painted his gak like yours, or at least I hope you have. Like Erikir said there's nothing overly special or unique about your EC that I would be able to spot from anyone else's.

I did by the evening I made my first post . No need to worry about that. lol There really isn't, pretty standard pre-heresy EC colors. The fact that I had never seen it myself personally from any other painter in person, then this guy used it right after he saw mine just scratched me the wrong way. Which looking back now is just stupid and I should have been more worried about giving him tips or complimenting him for encouragement. No hard feelings, I see your point and were you were coming from .

Just be passive aggressive about it. Every time he's playing a game just walk up casually, look down at the figures through your nose, shrug and say quietly, "Not real Emperor's Children." Then just walk away.

LaughingGod - I dont really see why I would need to post examples and such in a thread like this, not at all. Im glad you appreciate my being blunt about it. Like I said before in here (least I think I said it, I could be imagining it, if so, pretend I said it) if you have a super original and very cool army idea/paint scheme, for example Grimcogs army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/271328.page seen here, and someone came in and totally copy catted the idea, I can honestly see why the maker would be annoyed and upset, more so without permission, simply because that is fething hardcore original. Same thing with a painted army, if you went out of your way to make it incredibly yours, and yours alone, NOT a Chapter already talked about in a codex or by GW NOT squad markings on your marines, you know, something original, and not done a million times over. Someone copies that, then yes get angry and get upset. Someone copies your Ultramarines, then stop crying about it and get original

KingCracker wrote:LaughingGod - I dont really see why I would need to post examples and such in a thread like this, not at all. Im glad you appreciate my being blunt about it. Like I said before in here (least I think I said it, I could be imagining it, if so, pretend I said it) if you have a super original and very cool army idea/paint scheme, for example Grimcogs army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/271328.page seen here, and someone came in and totally copy catted the idea, I can honestly see why the maker would be annoyed and upset, more so without permission, simply because that is fething hardcore original. Same thing with a painted army, if you went out of your way to make it incredibly yours, and yours alone, NOT a Chapter already talked about in a codex or by GW NOT squad markings on your marines, you know, something original, and not done a million times over. Someone copies that, then yes get angry and get upset. Someone copies your Ultramarines, then stop crying about it and get original

You might want to call him, I'm nicking that army.

Yea Grimcog is fething brilliantly badass right? If I ever saw it in person, Id probably punch the dude out and run off with it

KingCracker wrote:Yea Grimcog is fething brilliantly badass right? If I ever saw it in person, Id probably punch the dude out and run off with it

At least your honest. I'd probably tase him.

KingCracker wrote:LaughingGod - I dont really see why I would need to post examples and such in a thread like this, not at all. Im glad you appreciate my being blunt about it. Like I said before in here (least I think I said it, I could be imagining it, if so, pretend I said it) if you have a super original and very cool army idea/paint scheme, for example Grimcogs army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/271328.page seen here, and someone came in and totally copy catted the idea, I can honestly see why the maker would be annoyed and upset, more so without permission, simply because that is fething hardcore original. Same thing with a painted army, if you went out of your way to make it incredibly yours, and yours alone, NOT a Chapter already talked about in a codex or by GW NOT squad markings on your marines, you know, something original, and not done a million times over. Someone copies that, then yes get angry and get upset. Someone copies your Ultramarines, then stop crying about it and get original

Well said and I agree

Just stopping by to say WOW THIS IS STILL GOING ON. but seriously still lol

Welcome to DAKKA Victor, welcome to DAKKA