Sometime in the last twohours the price increases came into effect on the GW website in the UK

They were not increased when I first looked this afternoon and now they are.

Not that many things have rised in price so not to bad but still shame on GW rising prices in this time of economical struggle.

Maelstrom are good.

Gifts for Geeks are cheaper still.

Its ridiculous, SM Battleforce has doubled in four years... my wages haven't!

commisar rhodes wrote:Not that many things have rised in price so not to bad but still shame on GW rising prices in this time of economical struggle.

yes shame on GW for doing what pretty much every company has done in the last 4 years, on a rather consistent basis (not just GW)

For our US friends who don't have to pay astronomical prices for "GAS" like we do, petrol has increased by 50% in the last four years here... even the world raping oil companies and our pirate tax government aren't as bad as GW!

As previously stated SM Battleforce doubled in 4 years!

sparkywtf wrote:

commisar rhodes wrote:Not that many things have rised in price so not to bad but still shame on GW rising prices in this time of economical struggle.

yes shame on GW for doing what pretty much every company has done in the last 4 years, on a rather consistent basis (not just GW)

Except that no other miniature company as done this... But don't let something like facts get in the way of your white knighting...

PhantomViper wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

commisar rhodes wrote:Not that many things have rised in price so not to bad but still shame on GW rising prices in this time of economical struggle.

yes shame on GW for doing what pretty much every company has done in the last 4 years, on a rather consistent basis (not just GW)

Except that no other miniature company as done this... But don't let something like facts get in the way of your white knighting...

Yes because miniature companies are the only companies in the world. And at least I can get GW products unlike PP where I am still waiting on kits after months.

sparkywtf wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

commisar rhodes wrote:Not that many things have rised in price so not to bad but still shame on GW rising prices in this time of economical struggle.

yes shame on GW for doing what pretty much every company has done in the last 4 years, on a rather consistent basis (not just GW)

Except that no other miniature company as done this... But don't let something like facts get in the way of your white knighting...

Yes because miniature companies are the only companies in the world. And at least I can get GW products unlike PP where I am still waiting on kits after months.

Face it, they're ripping us off again and there are still people happy to be duped by them... I for one will not be buyng from GW at source anymore.

I saved loads buying my Ork Bombers and Talon from GfG this weekend. Whislt I'm aware that GW still get their cut, it's not as much and it makes me feel much better not to have to deal with them face to face after this!

sparkywtf wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

commisar rhodes wrote:Not that many things have rised in price so not to bad but still shame on GW rising prices in this time of economical struggle.

yes shame on GW for doing what pretty much every company has done in the last 4 years, on a rather consistent basis (not just GW)

Except that no other miniature company as done this... But don't let something like facts get in the way of your white knighting...

Yes because miniature companies are the only companies in the world. And at least I can get GW products unlike PP where I am still waiting on kits after months.

Considering that we are in a miniature gaming forum, talking about a miniature gaming company, I would think the price rises of potato plantations in Alaska wouldn't be very relevant to this discussion, apparently I'm wrong...

Also, I fail to realise what your failure to get a decent miniature supplier has anything to do with yearly, above inflation, miniature price rises... But again I bow to your superior reasoning and debate skills.

PhantomViper wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

commisar rhodes wrote:Not that many things have rised in price so not to bad but still shame on GW rising prices in this time of economical struggle.

yes shame on GW for doing what pretty much every company has done in the last 4 years, on a rather consistent basis (not just GW)

Except that no other miniature company as done this... But don't let something like facts get in the way of your white knighting...

Yes because miniature companies are the only companies in the world. And at least I can get GW products unlike PP where I am still waiting on kits after months.

Considering that we are in a miniature gaming forum, talking about a miniature gaming company, I would think the price rises of potato plantations in Alaska wouldn't be very relevant to this discussion, apparently I'm wrong...

Also, I fail to realise what your failure to get a decent miniature supplier has anything to do with yearly, above inflation, miniature price rises... But again I bow to your superior reasoning and debate skills.

How about the what seems like monthly increases in raw materials. Would that be relevant? Plastic and resin prices are not set in stone FOREVER. They have been increasing, and resin raw materials have taken a few bumps up in the last 6-8 months for producers, which gets passed on to consumers.

Also, I am not a complete white knight, I know GW is bending us over, I just wish they would use some lube.

PhantomViper wrote:
Also, I fail to realise what your failure to get a decent miniature supplier has anything to do with yearly, above inflation, miniature price rises... But again I bow to your superior reasoning and debate skills.

I'm not sure how you can fail to realize the fact that Privateer Press cannot maintain a steady level of supply is an issue.
For the past few years, right around the time GW raises prices Privateer Press has a "Summer Sale" of introductory sets.
For the past few years, that then proceeds to wreak havoc on an already overstretched supply chain.

When shops have to go through 2+ suppliers in addition to the company itself to maintain a basic level of stock, there's an issue.

Kanluwen wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Also, I fail to realise what your failure to get a decent miniature supplier has anything to do with yearly, above inflation, miniature price rises... But again I bow to your superior reasoning and debate skills.

I'm not sure how you can fail to realize the fact that Privateer Press cannot maintain a steady level of supply is an issue.
For the past few years, right around the time GW raises prices Privateer Press has a "Summer Sale" of introductory sets.
For the past few years, that then proceeds to wreak havoc on an already overstretched supply chain.

When shops have to go through 2+ suppliers in addition to the company itself to maintain a basic level of stock, there's an issue.

This is a GW Price rise thread, not a "how bad are Privateer Press" thread!

Kanluwen wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Also, I fail to realise what your failure to get a decent miniature supplier has anything to do with yearly, above inflation, miniature price rises... But again I bow to your superior reasoning and debate skills.

I'm not sure how you can fail to realize the fact that Privateer Press cannot maintain a steady level of supply is an issue.
For the past few years, right around the time GW raises prices Privateer Press has a "Summer Sale" of introductory sets.
For the past few years, that then proceeds to wreak havoc on an already overstretched supply chain.

When shops have to go through 2+ suppliers in addition to the company itself to maintain a basic level of stock, there's an issue.

I'm not saying its not an issue, I'm saying that it has absolutely no relevance to a thread discussing GW's yearly, above inflation price rises.

Saying: "yeah, GW increases prices every year above the actual value of inflation, but its OK because I'm having difficulty getting my hands in Warmahordes minis", its a strange way to debate something...

sparkywtf wrote:
How about the what seems like monthly increases in raw materials. Would that be relevant? Plastic and resin prices are not set in stone FOREVER. They have been increasing, and resin raw materials have taken a few bumps up in the last 6-8 months for producers, which gets passed on to consumers.

GW are hardly the only miniature company to use plastic and resin, yet they seem to be the only with annual above inflation (usually well above) price rises. Aside from that the actual raw materials are only a small fraction of a typical model's production cost. The reason why GW have increased their prices, again, is because they think that they can get away with it.

sparkywtf wrote:
How about the what seems like monthly increases in raw materials. Would that be relevant? Plastic and resin prices are not set in stone FOREVER. They have been increasing, and resin raw materials have taken a few bumps up in the last 6-8 months for producers, which gets passed on to consumers.

That would be relevant if other miniature companies actually passed those costs to consumers...

Since other miniature companies don't do this, I don't see why GW has to raise their prices (ABOVE the actual costs of those raw materials), to the consumers (while at the same time switching production to a cheaper material no less), but keep it up, I'm sure you'll find a plausible reason for these price increases other than just pure greed eventually.

PhantomViper wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Also, I fail to realise what your failure to get a decent miniature supplier has anything to do with yearly, above inflation, miniature price rises... But again I bow to your superior reasoning and debate skills.

I'm not sure how you can fail to realize the fact that Privateer Press cannot maintain a steady level of supply is an issue.
For the past few years, right around the time GW raises prices Privateer Press has a "Summer Sale" of introductory sets.
For the past few years, that then proceeds to wreak havoc on an already overstretched supply chain.

When shops have to go through 2+ suppliers in addition to the company itself to maintain a basic level of stock, there's an issue.

I'm not saying its not an issue, I'm saying that it has absolutely no relevance to a thread discussing GW's yearly, above inflation price rises.

Saying: "yeah, GW increases prices every year above the actual value of inflation, but its OK because I'm having difficulty getting my hands in Warmahordes minis", its a strange way to debate something...

It's really not though when you actually take a moment to think about it, Phantom.

You're a smart guy. You and I might not see eye to eye on things, but we can at least recognize that the idea that the consistent availability and stock management might factor into the price issue.

GW manages to keep not only their own stores stocked, but independent shops and distributors stocked as well.
We don't have people saying "I'm having a hard time finding Tau Fire Warriors" or "Can't find Guardsmen squads, who has them in stock?".

Finecast is another matter entirely, which I'll gladly admit should not be a case of "I keep finding crap casts, when will I get a good one!".

Yay, we needed a Sixth thread on the price increases in this sub-forum alone.

pretre wrote:Yay, we needed a Sixth thread on the price increases in this sub-forum alone.

Reet, first of its a NEWS thread informing people that the raise has occured, which hasn't been addressed in the other threads, therefore its news.

Second, can everybody just take a breath...

geordie09 wrote:

pretre wrote:Yay, we needed a Sixth thread on the price increases in this sub-forum alone.

Reet, first of its a NEWS thread informing people that the raise has occured, which hasn't been addressed in the other threads, therefore its news.

Second, can everybody just take a breath...

It is in dakka discussions, which I think is because it got moved here. And it isn't really news as the increase was confirmed a week ago.

Now back to senseless bickering! (I really don't like the price increases I promise)

Aye, but since it was supposed to happen on Saturday the 2nd and has now occured half way through bank holiday monday its pretty relevant to the thread that is informing people that its happened that its happened...

I give up, I've got a night shift to go to

sparkywtf wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

commisar rhodes wrote:Not that many things have rised in price so not to bad but still shame on GW rising prices in this time of economical struggle.

yes shame on GW for doing what pretty much every company has done in the last 4 years, on a rather consistent basis (not just GW)

Except that no other miniature company as done this... But don't let something like facts get in the way of your white knighting...

Yes because miniature companies are the only companies in the world. And at least I can get GW products unlike PP where I am still waiting on kits after months.

Considering that we are in a miniature gaming forum, talking about a miniature gaming company, I would think the price rises of potato plantations in Alaska wouldn't be very relevant to this discussion, apparently I'm wrong...

Also, I fail to realise what your failure to get a decent miniature supplier has anything to do with yearly, above inflation, miniature price rises... But again I bow to your superior reasoning and debate skills.

How about the what seems like monthly increases in raw materials. Would that be relevant? Plastic and resin prices are not set in stone FOREVER. They have been increasing, and resin raw materials have taken a few bumps up in the last 6-8 months for producers, which gets passed on to consumers.

Also, I am not a complete white knight, I know GW is bending us over, I just wish they would use some lube.

Please that is ridicules the cost of plastic is trivial in comparison to the price of a GW kit. GW is gouging customers at their prices...... and I like their miniatures!

geordie09 wrote:

pretre wrote:Yay, we needed a Sixth thread on the price increases in this sub-forum alone.

Reet, first of its a NEWS thread informing people that the raise has occured, which hasn't been addressed in the other threads, therefore its news.

Second, can everybody just take a breath...

It isn't news because everyone knew that it was coming and it was already confirmed multiple times, in multiple threads.

Should I open a thread for each individual country that the price increase also occured in?

Did you ever consider the fact that the webteam does not work on the weekend?

Kanluwen wrote:Did you ever consider the fact that the webteam does not work on the weekend?

That would assume GW cares about their employees!

Kanluwen wrote:Did you ever consider the fact that the webteam does not work on the weekend?

Aye, Its also a double bank holiday for us due to the Queens jubilee, no way GW is paying double time for the web team.

They'll be beack on Wens.

Increase just before the Queen's Diamond Jubilee?!?!?! Is nothing sacred!!! !!!! !!!!

I was in my local GW picking up some paint and saw all the new prices.... one of the guys who worked there told me the reason they have put up the prices is that "The price of Plastic has gone up alot and thats why were are having to raise prices like this". When I mentioned that I'd been in other model shops looking at the PLASTIC WW2 tank kits etc and they haven't changed the prices in years and most contain alot more plastic components in the kits that the GW ones he seemed to get a little tongue-tie and rushed off to "help" a mother and her two young boys...

I mean come on... if thats the "Official" reason for the price increase then I think I will melt all my stuff down into blocks and store them away as in a few years (at GW rate) they'll be worth a fortune and I will be able to retire happy.

Pacific wrote:Increase just before the Queen's Diamond Jubilee?!?!?! Is nothing sacred!!! !!!! !!!!

Hopefully Her Majesty will still be able to afford the three Storm Talons for her Ultramarine Aircav

Kanluwen wrote:
It's really not though when you actually take a moment to think about it, Phantom.

You're a smart guy. You and I might not see eye to eye on things, but we can at least recognize that the idea that the consistent availability and stock management might factor into the price issue.

GW manages to keep not only their own stores stocked, but independent shops and distributors stocked as well.
We don't have people saying "I'm having a hard time finding Tau Fire Warriors" or "Can't find Guardsmen squads, who has them in stock?".

Finecast is another matter entirely, which I'll gladly admit should not be a case of "I keep finding crap casts, when will I get a good one!".

But the two are not related. It isn't PP's lack of price hikes that is causing these logistical issues (but GW's price hikes really should be impacting the search for PP products so maybe they are related that way)...

Trust me, I spent 4 months waiting for eEiryss last year, put up a thread about PP's problems with stock and I will post in there berating them like everyone else, because the official reason for them is getting a bit ridiculous!

£50 for a Stormraven literaly had me choking on my tea. Thank god I've gotten into buying from third-party stores such as Wayland, at least until GW bans them for somehow being harmful to the hobby.

Why would you do this to us GW?

Great White wrote: Why would you do this to us GW?

Cause it makes them feel dirty

Hmm, looking at the Tau prices.

From what I can see Kroot and Fire Warriors have both had a £1.50 price rise.

Stealth Suits have gone up but I can't remember what they were before.

Battleforce has gone up by around £15.

Considering the price increases of the individual units in there add up to around £5-£8 I'm having trouble following their maths

Lol, £20 for a codex? I paid £12 when I got mine. Damn you rising price of metal for affecting the price of our paper books! *angrily shakes fist*

A Town Called Malus wrote:Lol, £20 for a codex? I paid £12 when I got mine. Damn you rising price of metal for affecting the price of our paper books! *angrily shakes fist*

Staple prices have been going up worldwide. GW is just reacting to price increases in materials.

biccat wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:Lol, £20 for a codex? I paid £12 when I got mine. Damn you rising price of metal for affecting the price of our paper books! *angrily shakes fist*

Staple prices have been going up worldwide. GW is just reacting to price increases in materials.

Their codices don't use staples. They use glue and thread.

If it's more than one page, there's a staple on the invoice in the box they come in - DUH!

Waethion wrote:If it's more than one page, there's a staple on the invoice in the box they come in - DUH!

Well maybe they should switch from Platinum to a more affordable metal for their staples!

A Town Called Malus wrote:

biccat wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:Lol, £20 for a codex? I paid £12 when I got mine. Damn you rising price of metal for affecting the price of our paper books! *angrily shakes fist*

Staple prices have been going up worldwide. GW is just reacting to price increases in materials.

Their codices don't use staples. They use glue and thread.

Must be the new and improved FineBinding. Far superior to previous metal bindings, but since they're leading the way in producing the Finest Bindings in the World, they need to charge more.

Regnak wrote:I was in my local GW picking up some paint and saw all the new prices.... one of the guys who worked there told me the reason they have put up the prices is that "The price of Plastic has gone up alot and thats why were are having to raise prices like this".

I mean come on... if thats the "Official" reason for the price increase then I think I will melt all my stuff down into blocks and store them away as in a few years (at GW rate) they'll be worth a fortune and I will be able to retire happy.

Yesterday I (jokingly) asked my local GW manager what the official excuse story was that upper management would have them tell this time around, but he said there was none, and that they just decided to raise the prices without real logic to it.

So basically, if any red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour is has some kind of "official reason", then that is just bs.

He didn't seem to like it any more than the rest of us. After all the store employees are the ones who get to deal with the annoyed customers, and GW wasn't even decent enough to have an official announcement on their site like they had previously.

TBD wrote:So basically, if any red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour is has some kind of "official reason", then that is just bs.

Wait, so your 'red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour' guy is more reliable than all the rest with his reason?

Kanluwen wrote:

You're a smart guy. You and I might not see eye to eye on things, but we can at least recognize that the idea that the consistent availability and stock management might factor into the price issue.

GW manages to keep not only their own stores stocked, but independent shops and distributors stocked as well.
We don't have people saying "I'm having a hard time finding Tau Fire Warriors" or "Can't find Guardsmen squads, who has them in stock?".

OR thats only one conclusion that you can draw from it. The other is that its consitantly available because folks arent buying it like they use to(see unit sales decline in reports) so thats why its in stock. Where as PP's having a sale and it wrecks havoc with the supply chain, because more people are trying to buy it.

pretre wrote:

TBD wrote:So basically, if any red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour is has some kind of "official reason", then that is just bs.

Wait, so your 'red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour' guy is more reliable than all the rest with his reason?

Well if he'd been given a reason he would have said it right? He said he wasn't given a reason to tell customers. Either the memo didn't get to him or the memo was never sent.

Or he's lying but I don't see why he would.

pretre wrote:

TBD wrote:So basically, if any red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour is has some kind of "official reason", then that is just bs.

Wait, so your 'red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour' guy is more reliable than all the rest with his reason?

Yes

A Town Called Malus wrote:Or he's lying but I don't see why he would.

The same reason colorshirts always lie. To look like they are in the know when they aren't or to build rapport with customers and friends.

TBD wrote:

pretre wrote:Wait, so your 'red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour' guy is more reliable than all the rest with his reason?

Yes

Riiiggght. Keep telling yourself that.

How amusing.

Thank god I have anything I'd ever need for my Lizardmen, Chaos Marines, Eldar or Tyranids - seriously, if I need a new shiny? I convert the sucker and damn the rest.

My Dark Elves, SMs and Flesh Tearers will suffer, but ah well.

The Skaven? Sold those buggers. No chance in hell of starting a skaven army proper now.

pretre wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:Or he's lying but I don't see why he would.

The same reason colorshirts always lie. To look like they are in the know when they aren't or to build rapport with customers and friends.

TBD wrote:

pretre wrote:Wait, so your 'red, blue or whatever their shirt's colour' guy is more reliable than all the rest with his reason?

Yes

Riiiggght. Keep telling yourself that.

Are you calling my local GW manager a liar?

Just been looking at the Dark Elves now.

Same kind of increases as other sets on the plastics.

Black Guard are off the website. The command set is still there but the standard troops are gone. Great, looks like a Finecast release of Black Guard. Glad I've got my unit of 20 already.

TBD wrote:Are you calling my local GW manager a liar?

I don't really know the guy, now do I?

But it is very possible that he is lying or making things up, if the experiences of the community in dealing with colorshirts in the past is any indication.

pretre wrote:

TBD wrote:Are you calling my local GW manager a liar?

I don't really know the guy, now do I?

If you did I bet you wouldn't dare call him a liar to his face.

TBD wrote:

pretre wrote:

TBD wrote:Are you calling my local GW manager a liar?

I don't really know the guy, now do I?

If you did I bet you wouldn't dare call him a liar to his face.

Let's not turn this into a "my GW manager is bigger than your GW manager" thread, please.

TBD wrote:

pretre wrote:

TBD wrote:Are you calling my local GW manager a liar?

I don't really know the guy, now do I?

If you did I bet you wouldn't dare call him a liar to his face.

Because he'd bust your lip open!

Or hang him in the store window by his underwear.

TBD wrote:Or hang him in the store window by his underwear.

Riiight. My X can beat up your X. Great... Glad this is where we've come to.

Remember folks, school is out for the summer in many parts of the world. Use your ignore button accordingly.

Are the seriously charging £35 for a Predator? Every time I have a look at the GW webstore I am amazed at their sheer gall.

In what universe is this http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440212a&prodId=prod1090577 worth twice what this http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/tamiya-148-british-cromwell-tank/?utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=PriceComparison&utm_campaign=GoogleShopping costs? Bearing in mind that the latter is the same approximate scale and whenTamiya say finely detailed they actually mean it.

Palindrome wrote:Are the seriously charging £35 for a Predator? Every time I have a look at the GW webstore I am amazed at their sheer gall.

the price increase has also hit the us store, as a land raider is now 74.25... previously IIRC, it was 66 dollars.... Glad I've also got the bulk of everything i need aside from new codices when they come out.

If the price of plastics are rising is the official excuse, why are finecast getting a price rise, too? And hobby supplies? And codices? I want my codex to be made out of plastic.

heartserenade wrote:If the price of plastics are rising is the official excuse, why are finecast getting a price rise, too? And hobby supplies? And codices? I want my codex to be made out of plastic.

Isn't finecast a resin/plastic mix?

I see Games Workshop have increased the price. Us a one person consumer can not do anything about this. As long as there is rich people in the hobby who keep buying whatever the cost it will keep happening.
The way I look at it is. Their prices go up, my wages stay the same. I usually have between £50-£70 worth of disposable income to spend on GW products which I buy from either my local Games Workshop more more recently my new independent stockiest. This amount stays the same so instead of buying maybe 3 box sets. I may only be able to afford two. This is fine because the hobby has not changed for me because of the price increase. If more people took it like this then I think GW would notice the difference in sheer amount of sales and no increase in profit which should be a telling sign.

Daemon prince: £20 - £25.
25% increase, nice -_-


Also, the stormraven is now £50, yet the ork bomba is the same size and has some nice options, yet its nearly half the price.
Logic?

Jackal wrote:
Also, the stormraven is now £50, yet the ork bomba is the same size and has some nice options, yet its nearly half the price.
Logic?

More people play SM than Orks.

True, same thing applied to the goldswords for empire
If you need it, it will cost you.

Jackal wrote:Daemon prince: £20 - £25.
25% increase, nice -_-


Also, the stormraven is now £50, yet the ork bomba is the same size and has some nice options, yet its nearly half the price.
Logic?

That the stormraven was a flop and now they are trying to increase the profit on them by a huge jump in price?

Or simply because it is the finest flying vehicle in the Imperium and premium plastic kit which demands a premium price

PhantomViper wrote:But the two are not related. It isn't PP's lack of price hikes that is causing these logistical issues (but GW's price hikes really should be impacting the search for PP products so maybe they are related that way)...

If GW prices are the cause of GW customer's lack of demand then PP's lack of price rises must be the cause of PP's high demand, and therefore limited stock of products...

I assume that's the logic. Therefore GW are helping you get supplies of their stock by pricing some of their customers out of the market. Lucky you.

sparkywtf wrote: premium plastic kit which demands a premium price

GW kits are far from premium kits, at best they are average. Compare what GW produces to a scale model kit and you will see exactly how good GW's kits are. This is especially true for old kits like the Leman Russ which actually came out in 2nd edition.

Palindrome wrote:

sparkywtf wrote: premium plastic kit which demands a premium price

GW kits are far from premium kits, at best they are average. Compare what GW produces to a scale model kit and you will see exactly how good GW's kits are. This is especially true for old kits like the Leman Russ which actually came out in 2nd edition.

I just thought everyone knew calling GW kits premium was sarcasm.

I have one of those old Leman Russes.... they are awful.

They don't do themselves any favours do they.......I just buy from eBay when I need something......everything comes up for sale sooner or later. I can't afford to buy from my local gw the prices are ridiculous

Jackal wrote:Also, the stormraven is now £50, yet the ork bomba is the same size and has some nice options, yet its nearly half the price.
Logic?

The Stormraven is a lot bigger than the Bommer actually, but that still doesn't justify it's new price.

This latest increase has some of the most rediculous raises I've seen from GW so far. All those Marine tanks have gone across the treshold of what I am prepaired to pay as well.

They even raised the price of this item:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440292a&prodId=prod1160118a

I bought that one in metal for 17,50 (Euro) at my local game store a couple of weeks ago. It now costs 33,- (Euro) in FC and probably is one of the kits with the least amount of stuff you get for that price. Completely insane.

Just putting it out there, but prices here in NZ seem to be the same, although we were much more expensive to begin with. As has been said before, I just buy of ebay and the like.

Palindrome wrote:

sparkywtf wrote: premium plastic kit which demands a premium price

GW kits are far from premium kits, at best they are average. Compare what GW produces to a scale model kit and you will see exactly how good GW's kits are. This is especially true for old kits like the Leman Russ which actually came out in 2nd edition.

Are we now bashing GW's plastic kits?

Most of their plastic kits are of great quality, and I find them very much superior to most scale model kits. It is the pricing that sucks monkey balls. The quality of the plastics is excellent and one of the last things we should complain about when it comes to GW.

TBD wrote:
Are we now bashing GW's plastic kits?

Their vehicle kits are certainly not premium quality.

Palindrome wrote:

TBD wrote:
Are we now bashing GW's plastic kits?

Their vehicle kits are certainly not premium quality.

This is such an empty and meaningless statement unless actual arguments are used. So please elaborate.

GW kits, compared to scale model kits, most of the time are more detailed, much more versatile, include many more options, don't have this cheapish fragile feel that usually bothers me with scale models, and often don't even cost that much more money (granted, these recent raises have indeed worsened this part of the story).

I am curious to know what you do consider a premium quality plastic kit.

I don't know where GW is buying it's plastic from but the price is going down...
http://www.theplasticsexchange.com/

Now plastic WASTE price is UP in price in Euro.
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php?title=Filerice_indicator_and_trade_volume_for_plastic_waste_in_EU27,February_2011.png&filetimestamp=20111019170438

I'm looking at the Australian prices, and it looks as though some of them have actually decreased. Imperial Guard infantry squads, for example, are now $48 instead of $50. Not much, but with GW this is pretty amazing.

I am fed up with these prices. I refuse to buy anymore GW products from now on to protest these ridiculous prices.

Consul Scipio wrote:I don't know where GW is buying it's plastic from but the price is going down...
http://www.theplasticsexchange.com/

Now plastic WASTE price is UP in price in Euro.
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php?title=Filerice_indicator_and_trade_volume_for_plastic_waste_in_EU27,February_2011.png&filetimestamp=20111019170438

Even if they weren't going down the cost of materials in a box of plastic miniatures is pennies.

Anyone care to weigh a tactical marine sprue and work it out?

At least now the Marine haters get to laugh because it's mainly the Marine vehicles that got hit with the pricing hammer the hardest

TBD wrote:At least now the Marine haters get to laugh because it's mainly the Marine vehicles that got hit with the pricing hammer the hardest

I am actually glad, except for the chimera increase, saying I need 6 more. And who knows what I will do for my hydras now.

Glad is the wrong word. But laughing yes.

geordie09 wrote:For our US friends who don't have to pay astronomical prices for "GAS" like we do, petrol has increased by 50% in the last four years here... even the world raping oil companies and our pirate tax government aren't as bad as GW!

As previously stated SM Battleforce doubled in 4 years!

It costs me over $60 to fill up. That's about 40p.

sparkywtf wrote:

TBD wrote:At least now the Marine haters get to laugh because it's mainly the Marine vehicles that got hit with the pricing hammer the hardest

I am actually glad, except for the chimera increase, saying I need 6 more. And who knows what I will do for my hydras now.

Glad is the wrong word. But laughing yes.

Chimera still has the same price over here

But on the other hand I just noticed they even gave the already overpriced Goldswords and similar regiments a llittle raise 0,50...

sparkywtf wrote:yes shame on GW for doing what pretty much every company has done in the last 4 years, on a rather consistent basis (not just GW)

No. You are being silly.


When I started in 2009 the price of a Space marine Tactical squad was $50. the price now sits at $62. That's a 24% increase in price.

When I started in 2009 the price of a Space-Marine Battle box was 150. It had a Tactical Marine squad, a Combat squad, an Assault squad, a Scout Marine squad and a Rhino. - this worked out to a value of $232, meaning I got both the Scout Marine Squad and the Combat Squad for free (at $82). Now, I pay 180 - a 20% increase. My total value for goods has gone up minutely - to $254 in current cost of goods. Even though the price of goods has increased across the board, I'm not only getting $74 for free - 12% less than I was getting beforehand.

When I bought my first iPod touch, it cost me $250 from Apple. This was a 16 GB model. The 32GB model sits at roughly $300. Is this an increase? No. Because you get twice as large a capacity in the $300 model. The price, if anything has stayed the same. Apple is notorious for having expensive products yet their price increase is justifiable - it is mitigated by the increase in capacity.

Or, Here's another example. For four years I've bought the same kind of dice. For 40 dice, I pay 17 dollars (They're custom made, so the price isn't so bad. it certainly is better than buying from G-Dub.) In 2009, the price for 40 was 15 dollars - an increase of only 13%.

Surtur wrote:

geordie09 wrote:For our US friends who don't have to pay astronomical prices for "GAS" like we do, petrol has increased by 50% in the last four years here... even the world raping oil companies and our pirate tax government aren't as bad as GW!

As previously stated SM Battleforce doubled in 4 years!

It costs me over $60 to fill up. That's about 40p.

You could also walk and almost buy 3/4th of a Stormraven instead

TBD wrote:

Surtur wrote:

geordie09 wrote:For our US friends who don't have to pay astronomical prices for "GAS" like we do, petrol has increased by 50% in the last four years here... even the world raping oil companies and our pirate tax government aren't as bad as GW!

As previously stated SM Battleforce doubled in 4 years!

It costs me over $60 to fill up. That's about 40p.

You could also walk and almost buy 3/4th of a Stormraven instead

It costs upwards of £1.40 a litre here, and over £50 to fill my tank. I have a 1 litre engine, which may not be comprehendable for an American. (yes, they do make cars in miniature). I would look at the exchange rates and blow your statement to pieces, but I can't be bothered!

TBD wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

TBD wrote:
Are we now bashing GW's plastic kits?

Their vehicle kits are certainly not premium quality.

This is such an empty and meaningless statement unless actual arguments are used. So please elaborate.

GW kits, compared to scale model kits, most of the time are more detailed, much more versatile, include many more options, don't have this cheapish fragile feel that usually bothers me with scale models, and often don't even cost that much more money (granted, these recent raises have indeed worsened this part of the story).

I am curious to know what you do consider a premium quality plastic kit.

I have limited experience with scale kits but lets take the Tamiya 1/48 Pz IV kit for example as I have it built. It is far more detailed than a GW Predator (which I also have built), the kit contains about 10 times the number of bits when compared to a GW kit (and it has a cast metal lower hull), it has that 'cheapish' feel because it is true scale (so no cartoonish guns and spikey bits) yet costs half what comparable GW kits do. Yeah, GW really are top of the tree.

Quality will always be subjective but in this case the only thing that GW kits have going for them is that they don't take long to put together.

Great White wrote: Why would you do this to us GW?

Because there are people like the ones in this thread, that are perfectly fine with been bent over.
More FW I guess, till they play catch up with prices.

sparkywtf wrote:How about the what seems like monthly increases in raw materials. Would that be relevant? Plastic and resin prices are not set in stone FOREVER. They have been increasing, .

Has cost of plastic doubled within 4 years? Nope! It always makes me wonder whether GW employees are posting on daka

TBD wrote:This latest increase has some of the most rediculous raises I've seen from GW so far. All those Marine tanks have gone across the treshold of what I am prepaired to pay as well.

I have to agree, if ever I wanted a Marine army that desire is now well and truly dead. $60 for a predator simply is not worth it. Ditto for a nearly $40 rhino. And I knew it was happening but I still couldn't believe my eyes when I saw an $82 storm raven at the local store...$82, for that.

No.

Scipio Africanus wrote:When I bought my first iPod touch, it cost me $250 from Apple. This was a 16 GB model. The 32GB model sits at roughly $300. Is this an increase? No. Because you get twice as large a capacity in the $300 model. The price, if anything has stayed the same. Apple is notorious for having expensive products yet their price increase is justifiable - it is mitigated by the increase in capacity.

Electronics is not a meaningful comparison. The continual increase in the specification of the components means that they can build the same product with cheaper components. A 32GB model now will cost them less to make than a 16GB model a couple of years ago.

All electronics (PC's, laptops, LCD/LED screens, etc) have dropped fairly consistently in price over the last couple of decades.

There is no similar factor in plastic model kits.

Surtur wrote:

geordie09 wrote:For our US friends who don't have to pay astronomical prices for "GAS" like we do, petrol has increased by 50% in the last four years here... even the world raping oil companies and our pirate tax government aren't as bad as GW!

As previously stated SM Battleforce doubled in 4 years!

It costs me over $60 to fill up. That's about 40p.

£75 here

I'm annoyed at the price increase, but I'm even more annoyed at the underhand way the company has gone about it. There is absolutely zero mention of it on their site. Whilst this may make economic sense, it certainly doesn't endear customers.

My buying habits were already limited to the odd individual model. Now it may stretch to one new model a year, and repainting old ones.

So did they decide to just leave Australia out this time? Because the things I was worried about (Carnifex and Tyranid Warriors) haven't budged.

-Loki- wrote:So did they decide to just leave Australia out this time? Because the things I was worried about (Carnifex and Tyranid Warriors) haven't budged.

Sssssh they'll hear you

Is Games for Geeks a reputable website? I'm looking at their website and the prices seem close to sane, but are they good with shipping times, quality etc? If someone could answer my desperate plea I may even be able to continue with this ruinously expensive hobby.

JeneralJoe117 wrote:Is Games for Geeks a reputable website? I'm looking at their website and the prices seem close to sane, but are they good with shipping times, quality etc? If someone could answer my desperate plea I may even be able to continue with this ruinously expensive hobby.

Yes its a reliable source, i have been using them for a while and two others i also use are Mealstrom and darksphere.
I have not bought much GW from source for a long long time, only finecast which i cannot seem to get anywhere else.

Rayvon wrote:

JeneralJoe117 wrote:Is Games for Geeks a reputable website? I'm looking at their website and the prices seem close to sane, but are they good with shipping times, quality etc? If someone could answer my desperate plea I may even be able to continue with this ruinously expensive hobby.

Yes its a reliable source, i have been using them for a while and two others i also use are Mealstrom and darksphere.
I have not bought much GW from source for a long long time, only finecast which i cannot seem to get anywhere else.

Thank you kind sir, you shall get your reward in heaven. Or something like that.

TBD wrote:

Most of their plastic kits are of great quality, and I find them very much superior to most scale model kits. It is the pricing that sucks monkey balls. The quality of the plastics is excellent and one of the last things we should complain about when it comes to GW.

I'm making a Dragon kit at the moment, a 1/36 scale StUG (essentially, a WW2 fixed turret for those not familiar). It's about the same size as a Chimera, and has about 600 odd pieces. These are a high grade plastic which fit together perfectly, with brass etchings, and pressed aluminium for the side panelling. Even some little pieces of crimped wire for the cabling. It is a beautiful little model, and actually I would say a great little piece of engineering. It costs less than a GW Chimera.

I've got about 20 years or so of model making experience and have made kits from pretty much every manufacturer going. The GW ones certainly aren't bad (I would probably put them alongside some of the newer Revell and Airfix stuff in terms of quality and grade of plastic). But, they are not even close to being 'top end' in the wider plastic kit market. The only reason they are able to charge such exorbitant prices is that they are the sole company making those kits for 40k, WFB or whatever. Realistically, outside of that context and if I was buying a Rhino or Chimera, I would probably be reluctant to spend more than £10/£11 on it.

How would one of those really nice fancy kits hold up to being toted around in a box every week and constantly touched and moved around?

Pacific wrote:Increase just before the Queen's Diamond Jubilee?!?!?! Is nothing sacred!!! !!!! !!!!

This! A million of these!

Necroagogo wrote:
Hopefully Her Majesty will still be able to afford the three Storm Talons for her Ultramarine Aircav

Blasphemy! (You were right P)acific

Given that i use my Pz IV for wargaming, quite well.

Does gifts for geeks deliver to the US?

I still dont get the logic of
"Its not selling, Increase price"
And now razorbacks are more then a tactical squad.
Im sorry to say this but im done buying vehicles.

loki old fart wrote:

-Loki- wrote:So did they decide to just leave Australia out this time? Because the things I was worried about (Carnifex and Tyranid Warriors) haven't budged.

Sssssh they'll hear you

Wasn't Australia listed as an overall loss of revenue in GW's last report?

Here's my tinfoil hat theory (and I think I saw other people come up with this) - Australia is GW's testbed for pricing limits. Eventually, we'll see the rest of the world's prices rise up to Australia's levels.

The people in this thread saying:

"GW needs to charge more because plastic and resin raw materials are getting more expensive"

...have absolutely, flat-out, categorically zero clue about what they're talking about.

If you're gonna white-knight GW, at least come up with an argument that is somewhat grounded to reality, because that one might as well be orbiting a small planetoid somewhere in the Oort Cloud as far as logical debate goes.

scarletsquig wrote:The people in this thread saying:

"GW needs to charge more because plastic and resin raw materials are getting more expensive"

...have absolutely, flat-out, categorically zero clue about what they're talking about.

It isn't need to charge more, just probably one of the reasons.

But hey, what do I know, I will just go back to my job of buying plastic and resin raw materials.

Well, a Land Raider will cost $100.00 in my country.

-Loki- wrote:So did they decide to just leave Australia out this time? Because the things I was worried about (Carnifex and Tyranid Warriors) haven't budged.

Not too sure as I don't keep track of GW Aus's pricing.
http://silverspringhobby.blogspot.ca/2012/05/gw-2012-annual-price-increase-june-1st.html?m=1

However, your Land Raider is the same price as Storm Raven. And oh crap....
It is $100 for Canadians as well, our insane price gaps are catchin up!

infinite_array wrote:

loki old fart wrote:

-Loki- wrote:So did they decide to just leave Australia out this time? Because the things I was worried about (Carnifex and Tyranid Warriors) haven't budged.

Sssssh they'll hear you

Wasn't Australia listed as an overall loss of revenue in GW's last report?

Here's my tinfoil hat theory (and I think I saw other people come up with this) - Australia is GW's testbed for pricing limits. Eventually, we'll see the rest of the world's prices rise up to Australia's levels.

Its no tinfoil hat, at least not for us canucks. Our price % gap is even closer to Australia's now.

sparkywtf wrote:How would one of those really nice fancy kits hold up to being toted around in a box every week and constantly touched and moved around?

You want to know the truth?
The fine detail parts will break, but it's a moot comparison since gw kits have no parts this detailed and fine to start with.
As for a correct comparison? feth yes those fancy kits are way tougher.

What do you have to lose though? the "fancy" kits are way cheaper than GW's, easier to get, more detailed,
whats stopping you from testing it yourself?

JeneralJoe117 wrote:Is Games for Geeks a reputable website? I'm looking at their website and the prices seem close to sane, but are they good with shipping times, quality etc? If someone could answer my desperate plea I may even be able to continue with this ruinously expensive hobby.

They sometime have stock issues. When this happens they'll send the out of stock items as soon as they arrive. Its the only drawback I've experienced yet. Postage is a matter of choice when you checkout and I choose the tracked delivery and it usually takes a week to get stuff. I imagine the other postage options are better.

Just when I wanted to get a second Stormraven. WHY GW!

Lucarikx wrote:Just when I wanted to get a second Stormraven. WHY GW!

They would tell you to buy a StormTalon instead. And a Space Marine army to go with it

Deadshot wrote:

Necroagogo wrote:
Hopefully Her Majesty will still be able to afford the three Storm Talons for her Ultramarine Aircav

Blasphemy! (You were right P)acific

Everyone knows the Queen collects Praetorian Guard!

reading through a couple of miniature wargamer this evening (somebody gave them to me) .....some other systems are so cheap.....£18 for 40 28mm soldiers with free rules at www.freewargamerules.co.uk. Games like blackwater gulch available for £15 and 7tv for £25 highlights that there cheaper things available.

My concer is that the younger gamers who buy starter sets, a battle force, a paint set and then quit after one Xmas and one birthday are going to keep the whole price rise thing going for the foreseeable future....

50 whole Great British Pounds for a Stormraven, ahhh there goes my triple Stormraven list bad times.

On the plus side it does mean you won't have to own and look at three Stormravens.

notprop wrote:On the plus side it does mean you won't have to own and look at three Stormravens.

Hey I like the stormraven, I already own one, it just means I'll have to out source them.

There goes a Kantor AirCav army. 2 scout squads, Kantor, 3 Sternguard Squads, 3 Talons and 3 Ravens. Yes I can take ravens before anyone asks.


50 whole fething pounds! And yet Land Raiders only 45? Tac Squads and Battlewagons don't go up at all! Yet somehow the raven goes up to 50 fething pounds?!

Albeezie wrote:I am fed up with these prices. I refuse to buy anymore GW products from now on to protest these ridiculous prices.

I agree, I'll also no longer be buying any new kits from either GW or 3rd party stockists. I will however continue to buy bitz and the odd eBay purchase to assist with ongoing projects.

In my opinion we need a large slice of the community to take action and actually "hit back" at GW to finally SHOW them that this isn't good enough and they need to rethink their strategies big time.

Though I can't see it happenening, if enough people were able to successfully boycot hobby purchases for a certain time (enough to make a noticible dent in GW profits) i'm sure we could make a difference.

Unfortunately most people in a position of power are left to rule how they see fit because those without refuse to unite and say "NO." in a loud enough voice.

JaxnFury wrote:

Albeezie wrote:I am fed up with these prices. I refuse to buy anymore GW products from now on to protest these ridiculous prices.

I agree, I'll also no longer be buying any new kits from either GW or 3rd party stockists. I will however continue to buy bitz and the odd eBay purchase to assist with ongoing projects.

In my opinion we need a large slice of the community to take action and actually "hit back" at GW to finally SHOW them that this isn't good enough and they need to rethink their strategies big time.

Though I can't see it happenening, if enough people were able to successfully boycot hobby purchases for a certain time (enough to make a noticible dent in GW profits) i'm sure we could make a difference.

Unfortunately most people in a position of power are left to rule how they see fit because those without refuse to unite and say "NO." in a loud enough voice.

A boycott might work but if their sales drop and they raise prices to compensate in a vicious circle, less and less people can buy new models and it will show at Games Day when only wealthy people in suits show up because only they can afford it. A petition would be better, if Yakface could get a petition going and send it to GW HQ that we are barely able to afford products if GW doesn't change their ways it is their fault for losing all their support. Also if they reply with a legitimate reason for the price rises besides greed then the hobby will die.

Also a lot of us have such a strong connection with the game it will take much to entirely kill the hobby even if no one can afford new models.

This has genuinly upset me I must say.
I didn't even join this website long ago, and I had just picked up the first book of the Horus Heresy series.

Now though I'm hanging up my laurels. I was already selling my old CSM off in anticipation of the new sets, but after seeing the battalions and many of the sets JUMP in price (£60>£80? No.) I no longer think I'll be purchasing an army, so I suppose I'm out of the game.

There's really no excuse for a hike like this, especially since the quality of minatures has dropped and the price has always risen way above inflation levels.
To put a displeased rant short, I don't care what stocking or manufacturing claims the company makes on an annual basis to hike up their costs, those are not consumer issues- they are failures in the company, which do not legitamise a price increase. They're just the reason for it being a ripoff price, it doesn't stop them being one.

Use the Swap Shop, use Ebay, use Bartertown, use Craigslist. I like to call it "Purchasing someone else's broken dreams"

Lormax wrote:Use the Swap Shop, use Ebay, use Bartertown, use Craigslist. I like to call it "Purchasing someone else's broken dreams"

I'm sure there will be a lot more of it now that the price increases hit.

I think GW finally jumped the shark on prices.

It's bad enough that I have $100US in birthday gift-certificates (must feel sorry for me turning 30, lol), and I actually feel like I am wasting my loved ones' money by spending it on product at these new GW prices.

Luckily (wipes brow), most of what I need for my Eldar army actually didn't change, like Wraithguard, Eldar rangers, various metal HQ models (no Finecast for me-ever ) etc.

But holy fething . The prices on SM tanks? Seriously? Seriously???

Not to mention all the Finecast unit packs that got hiked yet again. There is no way that 6 Fire Dragons are worth $40+.

Australia has not been exempt from this. Our prices have risen as well. Just look at the Aspect Warrior cost... sheesh...

I saw the fine cast terminator librarian was $22. The storm talon shortbus pile o crap is $45.

It's over, man. I'm done with buying 40k stuff.

And now that I look at the prices, the Land Raider costs the same as the battleforces use to cost two years ago when I started.

Dayvuni wrote:A petition would be better, if Yakface could get a petition going and send it to GW HQ that we are barely able to afford products if GW doesn't change their ways it is their fault for losing all their support.

Also a lot of us have such a strong connection with the game it will take much to entirely kill the hobby even if no one can afford new models.

I agree there needs to be a petition circulating, although I have never seen or heard of any real changes that petitions have brought about I still think it is something the community CAN DO and take directly to GW - rather than hoping they read and take note of the many, many complaints we leave online.

I am also torn apart by the prospect of ever giving up the hobby. I absolutely LOVE Warhammer 40K and it's whole universe, to give it up now after so much time and devotion to it would feel like giving a child away - but this is just blackmail on GW's part and I personally can't stand it any longer.

GW are quite literally the crack dealers of the miniature world.

*edits for spelling*

Problem with writing to GW:
- Their view of the internet community? That the fanbase erroneously believe that they have some kind of entitlement to whatever GW does.
- You would not believe the opinion in which the customer base is held by the upper management. Years ago probably the most family-friendly term I heard bandied about was 'sheep', I can't believe that it will have improved since then. The people who were queuing for more than 4 hours at a previous Games Day to buy stuff? 'Whiners' (again this is a direct quote).
- They are still getting good financial and bottom line results. The shareholding organisations that own the majority of GW are presumably happy. It doesn't matter that pretty much 90% of the enlightened fan community knows that this model is unsustainable (there are only so many times you can cut staff or reduce production costs etc.) - their chairman Tom Kirby is almost at retirement age and is busy lining his own nest. Mark Wells will presumably just jump back to hair products or something, and in the meantime we will continue to get those 'good forecast' financial reports.

We are still getting problem reports from the new Finecast more than one year after it's initial release. The prices went up again in 2012 despite almost universal admonishment. As they say, the 'proof is in the pudding' - it's not necessary to speculate about what GW thinks of its fanbase and its own pride in the quality of the products it is releasing, the evidence is there right before our eyes.

The real problem with writing to GW? They know it won't amount to anything. Every time a new release or price increase comes out, people swear they'll never buy from GW again.


Two weeks later they've bought their next major army.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Australia has not been exempt from this. Our prices have risen as well. Just look at the Aspect Warrior cost... sheesh...

We got some of it, like you said, the Aspect Warriors. We didn't get all of it, and none of the ludicrous increases.

I recently left GW because of the price and now play PP and Inferno (WIP Skirmish)

Now ive just seen the GW website...

I am glad i left GW...

We can complain alot here in America, but at least our Land Raiders are cheaper than Australian Chibi-Chibitalons.

YELLOWBLADES wrote:I recently left GW because of the price and now play PP and Inferno (WIP Skirmish)

Now ive just seen the GW website...

I am glad i left GW...

To be fair, GW prices and PP have similar model costs. But GW is far more expensive because of its price not by model, but to field a functional unit.

WarOne wrote:We can complain alot here in America, but at least our Land Raiders are cheaper than Australian Chibi-Chibitalons.

YELLOWBLADES wrote:I recently left GW because of the price and now play PP and Inferno (WIP Skirmish)

Now ive just seen the GW website...

I am glad i left GW...

To be fair, GW prices and PP have similar model costs. But GW is far more expensive because of its price not by model, but to field a functional unit.

I feel that buying a PP warmachine unit really changes the style of play and is enjoyable to paint build and game with.

WM costs about £70 per army to play a fair sized game (inc rulebook)

But GW now charge £70-80 a battle force! when i started wargaming my first battleforce was half that amount for exactly the same models

I agree GWs And PPs prices are the same but gamewise and rulewise i prefer PP

All I know is that I'm damn glad they didn't do what I was afraid of with this latest wave, which is release Wraithguard redone in Finecast at $20+. I'm frankly astounded that they haven't, because it seemed logical GW would pull something like that.

Really happy they didn't though. I have been seriously wanting them for my new Eldar army but was completely unwilling up till now to pay $45US for a minimum strength unit of three freaking models. Now that I got some gift certificates for my 30th b-day, I can finally jump at getting them.

But.... if they were $20+ for Finecast, I would feel pretty guilty even with it being gift money, and they would also have the double downside of being Finecast, which I absolutely never want on my shelf. Any models that stay in metal- however long that may be- keeps me one step further from ever having to switch to Finecast.

AegisGrimm wrote:All I know is that I'm damn glad they didn't do what I was afraid of with this latest wave, which is release Wraithguard redone in Finecast at $20+. I'm frankly astounded that they haven't, because it seemed logical GW would pull something like that.

Really happy they didn't though. I have been seriously wanting them for my new Eldar army but was completely unwilling up till now to pay $45US for a minimum strength unit of three freaking models. Now that I got some gift certificates for my 30th b-day, I can finally jump at getting them.

But.... if they were $20+ for Finecast, I would feel pretty guilty even with it being gift money, and they would also have the double downside of being Finecast, which I absolutely never want on my shelf. Any models that stay in metal- however long that may be- keeps me one step further from ever having to switch to Finecast.

You will understand my pain then when I tell you that all but one of the special choices from my fantasy army (Dark Elves) are now in finecast. With a generous £8.20 price increase!

Time to start hunting down some metal Executioners on Ebay...

Yup. Prices are definitely high enough, especially after this freaking latest price hike, to make getting a gift certificate a good way to go, "Phew, now I can finally get some of the minis I refused to shell out MY hard-earned cash to get bent over by GW for."

The only harsh part is the reality when you realize that 3 Wraithguard and the 3-pack of Rangers is (here in the US) 60 dollars for a whopping 6 figures that have been in constant production for nearly 15 years, thus seeing every price hike since then, making their current cost pretty close to 200% of when they were first released for those particular figures.

It's like seeing a decade into the future, and having a Stormtalon be priced at $180US.

AegisGrimm wrote:It's like seeing a decade into the future, and having a Stormtalon be priced at $180US.

Conceivable. I remember the original plastic Rhino being packed several (three?) to a box for £10. That same casting finally went off sale at £15 each, then they released the current model. Still, quite an increase...

YELLOWBLADES wrote:

WarOne wrote:We can complain alot here in America, but at least our Land Raiders are cheaper than Australian Chibi-Chibitalons.

YELLOWBLADES wrote:I recently left GW because of the price and now play PP and Inferno (WIP Skirmish)

Now ive just seen the GW website...

I am glad i left GW...

To be fair, GW prices and PP have similar model costs. But GW is far more expensive because of its price not by model, but to field a functional unit.

I feel that buying a PP warmachine unit really changes the style of play and is enjoyable to paint build and game with.

WM costs about £70 per army to play a fair sized game (inc rulebook)

But GW now charge £70-80 a battle force! when i started wargaming my first battleforce was half that amount for exactly the same models

I agree GWs And PPs prices are the same but gamewise and rulewise i prefer PP

I started playing Warmachine, and my investment is certainly lower because my start up costs are lower. That is the biggest difference compared to the two.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:It's like seeing a decade into the future, and having a Stormtalon be priced at $180US.

Conceivable. I remember the original plastic Rhino being packed several (three?) to a box for £10. That same casting finally went off sale at £15 each, then they released the current model. Still, quite an increase...

Don't forget that the current multipart Tactical Squad used to be in a box of 10 for £10. Khorne Berserkers were 12 for £10, Ork Boys were 12 for £10. £23 is a bit of a price rise.

Ah, the golden age of 3rd ed. prices.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:It's like seeing a decade into the future, and having a Stormtalon be priced at $180US.

Conceivable. I remember the original plastic Rhino being packed several (three?) to a box for £10. That same casting finally went off sale at £15 each, then they released the current model. Still, quite an increase...

Don't forget that the current multipart Tactical Squad used to be in a box of 10 for £10. Khorne Berserkers were 12 for £10, Ork Boys were 12 for £10. £23 is a bit of a price rise.

Ah, the golden age of 3rd ed. prices.

You could buy boxes of 16 Ork boys couldn't you (4th Ed. I think)? How much did they cost then?

Actually, I think those were the ones originally out in 3rd. edition for £10-£12.

Seriously, the only thing that has actually gotten cheaper in all these years and seems to hold up well is the Lictor.

2nd ed - £12 and then £15
3rd ed - £8
4th ed - £8, £10 and then £12.50
Finecast - £15.50

Not bad. Pity Lictors aren't useful at all.

All the squad/regiment boxes appeared towards the end of £10 back in 5th ed Fantasy and 3rd ed 40K. The contents have changed a little, but the first one was Chaos Warriors 12 for £10 and then they did the multipart skeletons at 20 for £10. The marines were multipart 10 for £10 and after years of the solid 2nd edition marines were amazing.

50p a skeleton was great value even under 5th ed Fantasy. When I got even a modest amount of money for christmas/birthday, I could buy a heap of figures. But then they soon went up to £12, but it still wasn't so bad and they seemed to stay at that price for a while if I recall, and that's when I got my skaven, empire and undead forces. But then they went up to £15 and the deal wasn't so good, and then they were £18. Then they halved the contents of many boxes but only put them down to £12, and they've since crept up to £15 and up to £18.

That's why my Catachan plastics were 50p each, and the exact same figures are now £1.80 each. If that's not taking the piss what is?

Howard A Treesong wrote:All the squad/regiment boxes appeared towards the end of £10 back in 5th ed Fantasy and 3rd ed 40K. The contents have changed a little, but the first one was Chaos Warriors 12 for £10 and then they did the multipart skeletons at 20 for £10. The marines were multipart 10 for £10 and after years of the solid 2nd edition marines were amazing.

50p a skeleton was great value even under 5th ed Fantasy. When I got even a modest amount of money for christmas/birthday, I could buy a heap of figures. But then they soon went up to £12, but it still wasn't so bad and they seemed to stay at that price for a while if I recall, and that's when I got my skaven, empire and undead forces. But then they went up to £15 and the deal wasn't so good, and then they were £18. Then they halved the contents of many boxes but only put them down to £12, and they've since crept up to £15 and up to £18.

That's why my Catachan plastics were 50p each, and the exact same figures are now £1.80 each. If that's not taking the piss what is?

Well it's clearly because those Catachans are modelling perfection. No other 28mm model could come close to the quality of them.


(Please note the obvious sarcasm, made obvious by this sentence)