logg_frogg wrote:A very very good source tells me that 6th edition will launch July 7th and that Rulebooks are already in stock at major warehouses
I'm excited!
By major warehouses, you mean GW. Because it is not at any distributor outside of GW.
GW don't just use their own warehouses. They also use 3rd party storage facilities, so I'm guessing (if this is true) the friend of the OP works at one such storage facility.
Brother Axel, I think mikhaila was implying that the distributors he uses don't have it in stock yet, as he's a store owner and I know he's mentioned he uses several different distributors.
logg_frogg wrote:A very very good source tells me that 6th edition will launch July 7th and that Rulebooks are already in stock at major warehouses
I'm excited!
By major warehouses, you mean GW. Because it is not at any distributor outside of GW.
GW don't just use their own warehouses. They also use 3rd party storage facilities, so I'm guessing (if this is true) the friend of the OP works at one such storage facility.
logg_frogg wrote:A very very good source tells me that 6th edition will launch July 7th and that Rulebooks are already in stock at major warehouses
I'm excited!
By major warehouses, you mean GW. Because it is not at any distributor outside of GW.
GW don't just use their own warehouses. They also use 3rd party storage facilities, so I'm guessing (if this is true) the friend of the OP works at one such storage facility.
Meh July 7th, June 30th, no big difference there. The real question is when the PDF version will hit the nets lol.
It's not that I don't care to pay for the rulebook, I'd just much rather save my $ to buy the more useful/functional small version that will be with the box set. However the wait till the box set coming out may kill me.
I'm so glad we've had ample time to plan for a big release party!
This reminds me of a huge event that an extreme social introvert would hold. He wants tons of people to show up but is too shy to actually tell anyone where or when the event is
Kirasu wrote:I'm so glad we've had ample time to plan for a big release party!
This reminds me of a huge event that an extreme social introvert would hold. He wants tons of people to show up but is too shy to actually tell anyone where or when the event is
Oh I'm going to laugh if the release is an anticlimactic flop on account of nobody knowing about it. It would send an overdue message to GW.
logg_frogg wrote:A very very good source tells me that 6th edition will launch July 7th and that Rulebooks are already in stock at major warehouses
I'm excited!
By major warehouses, you mean GW. Because it is not at any distributor outside of GW.
GW don't just use their own warehouses. They also use 3rd party storage facilities, so I'm guessing (if this is true) the friend of the OP works at one such storage facility.
Well we can rule you out as a viable source. As a former GW employee I know for fact that they do have their own warehouse (having been there for training). It is where they literally make, package, store and ship from. However, IF it is being released end of June or beginning of July then yes they are correct it would be waiting in the warehouse.
Not sure what Im more excited about. A) A new edition to learn and have loads of fun with (lets face it we will complain then praise) or B) Troll all those people who said this or that is going to be in the edition when it's not and making sure they are outed as an unreliable source
I have all the Orks i need (but not all i want ) barring the new planes, so after i have those i'll be done buying Orks until the new ork dex/units get released.
My DE are expanding, but very slowly, as i can't afford to buy them any more, barring tournament entry buys,
My Daemons are pretty much in the trade basket/on the shelf these days, next to my small BT force.
I'll not be starting any new armies, as the price to do so is beyond silly I had planned on DKOK, but no more.
I'm hoping for the best with the new BRB, but expecting a total marine-worshipping clusterfeth if certain writers get the lead developer hat. We'll see..
The date should be easy to figure out. GW won't release 6th edition without at least one week for preorders and those won't be posted until July's White Dwarf is released. Therefore if you look in the back of the current White Dwarf for the release date for next month's issue and add a week you'll have the earliest possible release date for 6th edition.
logg_frogg wrote:A very very good source tells me that 6th edition will launch July 7th and that Rulebooks are already in stock at major warehouses
I'm excited!
By major warehouses, you mean GW. Because it is not at any distributor outside of GW.
GW don't just use their own warehouses. They also use 3rd party storage facilities, so I'm guessing (if this is true) the friend of the OP works at one such storage facility.
Well we can rule you out as a viable source. As a former GW employee I know for fact that they do have their own warehouse (having been there for training). It is where they literally make, package, store and ship from. However, IF it is being released end of June or beginning of July then yes they are correct it would be waiting in the warehouse.
Methinks you missed the words "just" and "also". He wasn't saying that GW doesn't have its own warehouse(s); he was saying that they don't exclusively use those.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Fingers crossed that the new edition breaks before Dark Angels is re-released...
Well of course it will. 6th ed is due within the next 5 weeks. Codex releases are only ever on the 1st saturday of a month. So it would have arrived this weekend just gone if it was coming before 6th ed.
Ascalam wrote:I'll not be starting any new armies, as the price to do so is beyond silly I had planned on DKOK, but no more.
I wouldn't worry about that, Forge World don't raise their rices as much. So, the FW armies may be cheaper in a few years
Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:Why do they not, like, announce these things in a normal way? Why 7 or 10 days before it hits the streets? I don't understand.
That's nothing to do with playing the game. No one kows why they think this is a good idea. I've never heard ANY explanation, let alone a good one. There's a theory that they're shutting down on news to prove to New Line Cinema they can keep quiet over Hobbit stuff.
Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:I'm not a 40k player (nor Fantasy), so help me understand, honestly:
Why do they not, like, announce these things in a normal way? Why 7 or 10 days before it hits the streets? I don't understand.
The idea is that GW wants us to keep buying products consistently all the time, with added spikes from new releases. Knowing about a new codex or rulebook months in advance tends to make players cut back on their purchases as they tentatively wait to see what the new rules are like. Think about how much (or, rather, how little) you would buy if you knew that everything could be invalidated in just a couple of months' time. GW wants us to keep buying, and then drop a new rulebook to give you a reason to buy even more to update your armies (and prompt those who weren't buying anyway, like me, to purchase those updates as well). There's also been mention by many people that GW is contractually obliged to keep a lid on rumours, leaks, etc. by New Line Cinemas over The Hobbit game, but I don't know exactly how much this impacts things like new rulebook announcements and so on.
I do think that a week or two is far too short notice, though. For something like a new edition, it really should be a month's notice, at minimum. I mean, they really could have gotten the hype machine started 2-3 months in advance of the rulebook release. Each White Dwarf could have snippets of rules that you can insert into 5th edition that gives a general idea of how 6th edition will work (though modified to fit into the 5th edition rules), and release a wave of models to accompany it. That way, you keep model sales up, get people interested in White Dwarf again, and increase interest in this new rulebook at the same time.
For example, you could announce that 6th edition 40k will be released in three months, and that any sales of the 5th edition hardback rulebook after that point can be exchanged for a 6th edition hardback when it is released. This first month could include the new psyker rules and a bunch of new Finecast psyker models for any race that has them. The next month could be basic flyer rules and a wave of flyer models (i.e. what we got this month). The month before release, you could have rules for emplacements (i.e. the rumoured "buildings" that you can purchase as part of your army) and some new appropriate models (bunkers, AA emplacements, trench systems...whatever 6th edition is supposed to bring). The month of release, you have a big spread about all the awesomeness of 6th edition, and show that you can now pre-order 6th edition 40k for dispatch a week later.
I don't know, it just seems that releasing little drips of "teaser rules" and models will get people excited and eager for more. As it is, your average GW customer who doesn't visit forums etc. would know little more than "something is happening next month", so using White Dwarf to help people look to the future (rather than focusing exclusively on the present releases) would help get everyone hyped.
Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:Why do they not, like, announce these things in a normal way? Why 7 or 10 days before it hits the streets? I don't understand.
1.) Because the 40k rulebook contains spoilers to the Hobbit movie, more obviously than the Hobbit novel.
2.) Because GW fears rogue copies more than lost revenue, so they keep all new releases secret, hoping that interest is so low nobody will care about a rogue copy.
3.) Because Tim Kirby gets his 1 Mio pound anyway, even with sinking revenue and customer numbers. Don't waste money on marketing and advertising.
I think knowing the direction the new edition would be travelling in would help people know what units to be buying in and changing out, it would up sales prior to the release of the rulebook.
Also, releasing a 'beta' of the rules to playtest for, say, 3 months, and then release the edition proofread and playtested by the hobbyists would alleviate the FAQs and YMDC 20 page arguments.
KGatch113 wrote:IF GW started using 3rd party warehouses, that only started within the last 3 years, and negates one of the reasons they moved to Memphis....
It's reasonable. Does GW print overseas? If so, might make sense to warehouse and distribute books from someplace in California (assuming printing in China) then break up the order to ship to individual retailers and distributors. No point in shipping to Memphis and then having to ship again. This sounds like the kind of operation that is uncommon enough (Hardcover rulebooks being a different thing than a Codex release) that it would make sense to just use a 3rd party logistics company.
Does anyone know for certain when the next White Dwarf will come out? It seems that there is no doubt that 6th edition will be released one week after the WD, but the question is, will the WD be available on the 23rd or the 30th?
not sure if this is related or not but the GW blog has been inactive the last 2 days. usually when this happens a mahor news release is around the corner, or its a UK holiday... since im not in the UK can anyone confirm its a holiday there? or maybe something is getting prepped for release?
The next WD is on June 23. It says on the last page of the current issue. I saw it myself.
On a related note, I think its funny that people are pondering when the next issue comes out even when it says right there in the book. I saw a couple other posts asking the same thing on this and another board. Obviously, no one buys the magazine. And I can't blame them...
DarthSpader wrote:not sure if this is related or not but the GW blog has been inactive the last 2 days. usually when this happens a mahor news release is around the corner, or its a UK holiday... since im not in the UK can anyone confirm its a holiday there? or maybe something is getting prepped for release?
DarthSpader wrote:not sure if this is related or not but the GW blog has been inactive the last 2 days. usually when this happens a mahor news release is around the corner, or its a UK holiday... since im not in the UK can anyone confirm its a holiday there? or maybe something is getting prepped for release?
has anyone else noticed that GW has not updated the "what's new today" post since friday? the last time they did not update for 3-4 days was when they posted for 8th ed on WFB. maybe this is a overlooked noticed of a pre-sale or conformation of 6th coming soon
LordOfBaal wrote:has anyone else noticed that GW has not updated the "what's new today" post since friday? the last time they did not update for 3-4 days was when they posted for 8th ed on WFB. maybe this is a overlooked noticed of a pre-sale or conformation of 6th coming soon
DarthSpader wrote:not sure if this is related or not but the GW blog has been inactive the last 2 days. usually when this happens a mahor news release is around the corner, or its a UK holiday... since im not in the UK can anyone confirm its a holiday there? or maybe something is getting prepped for release?
and the 10 or so posts past that...
it's probably just got to do with the Queen's jubilee
pizzaguardian wrote:gw doesnt update anything on weekends. they never did since i remember for many many months.
Three things:
1) It is Tuesday.
2) I was making a joke.
3) There's this weird key on your keyboard right above the CTRL key. Check it out. It is awesome.
pizzaguardian wrote:gw doesnt update anything on weekends. they never did since i remember for many many months.
Three things:
1) It is Tuesday.
2) I was making a joke.
3) There's this weird key on your keyboard right above the CTRL key. Check it out. It is awesome.
They must also know their product well. Just last month I decided that I didn;t need any new models until they release new things for my CSM.... jerks~ lol
TBD wrote:It is very likely not an accident that WD is released a bit earlier than usual this month (I believe the 23rd, which would be one week in advance).
Yes it says the 23rd in the back of this months WD which is one week early.
dragoncat29 wrote:I just checked the GW website and the 5th edition rulebook isn't there.
The tension is palpable. All this waiting to read the new rules is seriously getting to me, much in the way Christmas excites my children for all of December.
How are fellow players killing time until our (supposed) release date? Im organizing a combat patrol 2-week event at my FLGS, with the winner receiving a new 6th Ed book when they arrive.
tetrisphreak wrote:The tension is palpable. All this waiting to read the new rules is seriously getting to me, much in the way Christmas excites my children for all of December.
How are fellow players killing time until our (supposed) release date? Im organizing a combat patrol 2-week event at my FLGS, with the winner receiving a new 6th Ed book when they arrive.
Same for me. While I dislike this whole shroud of secrey ploy by GW I have to admit, I'm super eager to get my hands on the book.
As for me, I'm just trying to finish every painting project I have on the go before 6th, as I'm sure the rule changes will require several new projects and I want a clean slate to work from.
Can't wait! I'll finally be able to learn the rules and play a game. I haven't played since I was 13, a decade ago. Completely missed 4th and 5th edition. 6th will be the perfect time to jump back in. I have nothing to compare it against, no previous ruleset to compare against. Blank slate...
tetrisphreak wrote:The tension is palpable. All this waiting to read the new rules is seriously getting to me, much in the way Christmas excites my children for all of December.
How are fellow players killing time until our (supposed) release date? Im organizing a combat patrol 2-week event at my FLGS, with the winner receiving a new 6th Ed book when they arrive.
For now I'm just working on terrain. But on July 9 and 10 I have to report for jury duty. So guess what I'll be sitting around and reading while I'm waiting to see if I'm picked?
I asked my FLGS manager and he said that he hasn't been told directly by GW but he has been asked to withdraw all 5th edition rulebooks from the shelves. Could be promising.
Ascalam wrote:if i did that, my clean slate would be 7th :(
I'm getting a last few games in with 5th, and hoping 6th doesn't suck ...
As sad as it is to say, we are probably going to be disappointed. I was exciting about getting into Fantasy when 8th came out. Then I realized the game was 100% random and your strategy does not matter at all because of how random it is. I bet 6th is going to mirror 8th and will be the same way. Hell, I remember hearing rumors that your psychic powers are going to be randomly determined now. Not sure if those were dispelled or not but the game just keeps getting more and more random which makes the game much worse in my book.
I'll be playing my last game of 5th Ed. next weekend. After that I'm going to hold off a month after 6th releases to see what the response is like.
Until then, I'll be learning Warmachine rules and playing with the two player starter box.
It doesn't really matter to me what happens with the new rules, I'm more of a modeler/painter anyway.
I'll be playing 2 games specially designed for flyers, on the 9th and 23rd June respectively and will try to squeeze in a few more games of 5th as I can. After that I will round up anyone who likes 5th over 6th and try to convince GW staff to let us play it.
Deadshot wrote:I'll be playing 2 games specially designed for flyers, on the 9th and 23rd June respectively and will try to squeeze in a few more games of 5th as I can. After that I will round up anyone who likes 5th over 6th and try to convince GW staff to let us play it.
I know this is the internet and all, but why are you trying to avoid 6th without having seen it yet? For all you know there's free hummers and booze every game.
tetrisphreak wrote: Im organizing a combat patrol 2-week event at my FLGS, with the winner receiving a new 6th Ed book when they arrive.
That is a phenomenal idea. I might have to pitch a similar idea to the owner of my FLGS.
Personally, I'm going to try to keep playing once or twice a week just like I have been. I've started to set aside cash for the 30th. (Told myself months ago that I wouldn't spend $75-$80 on the new hardcover and just wait until I could grab an extra starter set rulebook, but I know that my fiscal fortitude will weaken tremendously when I have one in my hands. Oh well, such is life.)
Deadshot wrote:I'll be playing 2 games specially designed for flyers, on the 9th and 23rd June respectively and will try to squeeze in a few more games of 5th as I can. After that I will round up anyone who likes 5th over 6th and try to convince GW staff to let us play it.
Just to play Devils Advocate here, but why would a GW manager want to encourage a bunch of people who don't want to, or can't afford to buy the new book? When 6th comes out, that has got to be the game given priority in a GW store, not 5th. I'd just try to get in games of 6th with someone that has a rulebook.
Deadshot wrote:I'll be playing 2 games specially designed for flyers, on the 9th and 23rd June respectively and will try to squeeze in a few more games of 5th as I can. After that I will round up anyone who likes 5th over 6th and try to convince GW staff to let us play it.
Just to play Devils Advocate here, but why would a GW manager want to encourage a bunch of people who don't want to, or can't afford to buy the new book? When 6th comes out, that has got to be the game given priority in a GW store, not 5th. I'd just try to get in games of 6th with someone that has a rulebook.
Brother SRM wrote:I'd wait until I read the rules before doomsaying.
Hi, you must be new to the internet.
I've been on forums for a very long time, and I still don't understand why people feel the compulsion to go all Chicken Little every single time there's the slightest chance something might not go 100% the way you want to. I'm not even an overly optimistic person here, I just don't see the point in bitching and moaning about something that, as far as the population here is concerned, doesn't exist yet. I'm fine to read dissenting/praising opinions of the rules once they're out and people have actually read them.
You actually DO understand the reason people feel that compulsion. Stupid people fear change. They fear it because they don't understand it, or themselves. Then to provide themselves with some measure of comfort, they doomsay the failure of said change in hopes that it will go away.
tetrisphreak wrote: Im organizing a combat patrol 2-week event at my FLGS, with the winner receiving a new 6th Ed book when they arrive.
That is a phenomenal idea. I might have to pitch a similar idea to the owner of my FLGS.
We are using the adepticon 2012 combat patrol rules (available on their site), with buy-in being dependent on the # of participants. Games can be played any time during store hours, using score sheets to keep track. Win - 3 points, draw-2 points, and losses score 1 point. Pretty simple and easy to manage. Good luck should you choose to get one running at your store!
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Archo wrote:6th Edition will be released before July... Trust me
My sources are very reliable.
Before July as in, June 30? Because that's pretty much a given with June 23 as the white dwarf release.
You actually DO understand the reason people feel that compulsion. Stupid people fear change. They fear it because they don't understand it, or themselves. Then to provide themselves with some measure of comfort, they doomsay the failure of said change in hopes that it will go away.
But you knew that.
He's also calling himself a SPESS MAHREN, so...
ALL kidding aside, let's try to avoid insulting anyone, even in a roundabout way, OK?
Brother SRM wrote:I'd wait until I read the rules before doomsaying.
Hi, you must be new to the internet.
I've been on forums for a very long time, and I still don't understand why people feel the compulsion to go all Chicken Little every single time there's the slightest chance something might not go 100% the way you want to. I'm not even an overly optimistic person here, I just don't see the point in bitching and moaning about something that, as far as the population here is concerned, doesn't exist yet. I'm fine to read dissenting/praising opinions of the rules once they're out and people have actually read them.
I hope you realize that I was just pointing out that this is just how the internet works. Personally I'm not looking forward to 6th, but I will buy the book, read it, and then decide if I want to play 6th or keep with 5th.
Leth wrote:
Well before the lockout I would check the rumors every few months, maybe. Now I check at least once a day hoping to see something new
tetrisphreak wrote:The tension is palpable. All this waiting to read the new rules is seriously getting to me, much in the way Christmas excites my children for all of December.
Wow, it's almost like GWs policy is doing what it's meant to!
Lorizael wrote:Wow, it's almost like GWs policy is doing what it's meant to!
Maybe for some.
I generally don't waste the energy getting excited based on internet rumours. Yes, some people are getting excited now, with the vague rumours that we have about 6th. But how many more would be getting excited if GW had actually put some effort into hyping this over the last couple of months?
There's no point planning for 6th at this point, because we still don't actually know for sure. If nothing else, that's bloody annoying for anyone trying to organise events.
Can you imagine if they'd spent the past 3 months hyping up the next edition of their best selling product in WD? They could have tied the new flyers into a 'sneak peak' of the new flyer rules. They could have used April, May and June to get people ready to go for 6th Ed - maybe even a battle report in that final week between a Dark Angel and Chaos Force (hint hint!). But no. We won't hear squat out of them 'til 10 days prior.
It will be fun to see how the new edition changes army mechanics and the usefulness of different styles of play and units. It will (hopfully)present new challenges for already powerful armies under good players and maybe breath new life into some armies and/or units. As a newb I'm excited because I've only really been actively playing for the last year and a half or so, so I'm excited to start a fresh edition and play it through. i'm a little worried because there are some things about 5th edition 40k that I really prefer to fantasy and if any of the fantasy bound rumors are true I'll have some pills to swallow but shaking things up a little should be good for the game. Extended mission combination just as an example. There is also a glimmer of hope that as games workshop ages through editions it works out more and more refined and precise rule sets and get better and better at serving it's customer base. Granted like any company progress will remain behind the curve of what people want but that's just how it goes.
Leth wrote:
Well before the lockout I would check the rumors every few months, maybe. Now I check at least once a day hoping to see something new
tetrisphreak wrote:The tension is palpable. All this waiting to read the new rules is seriously getting to me, much in the way Christmas excites my children for all of December.
Wow, it's almost like GWs policy is doing what it's meant to!
You mean to have the FLGS clear out their GW stock to make room for other games. That is what my local store is doing, and they had an amazing selection of GW including everything from Epic to Warmaster.
oh boy.... hilarious That needs a youtube video But can you really imagine?
Personally The release of a new edition doesn't scare me nor does it make me think that I should just keep playing an outdated edition because it's *better*
I have been playing this game through all but the rogue trader edition and there are things that I like and dislike about every one of them. I'm sure this one will be no different!
New challenges, new models and new stuff to mess around with Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me!
You actually DO understand the reason people feel that compulsion. Stupid people fear change. They fear it because they don't understand it, or themselves. Then to provide themselves with some measure of comfort, they doomsay the failure of said change in hopes that it will go away.
But you knew that.
Eh... I welcome the new edition. If only because I am hoping that they will at least attempt at right intelligible rules. I have quit playing 5th for about 7 to 8 months now. I would happily go back to playing 40k if the rules are awesome. But, 5th was just full of grey areas and what-not and it really killed my enthusiasm for the game. I'm sure 6th will peak my interests again. But, I am sure that I will ultimately be disappointed due to shoddy rules. After all, this is GW we are talking about here. You know I'm right...
I got two tournaments this month that I am going to in preparation for Nova this fall. Whats cool is that one of them is on the 30th so maybe if the book comes out then we can shoot the gak about the new rules while playing.
So the Chaos Terminators Masterclass painting class that is being held at Warhammer World on September 1, 2012 will be to paint the ones from the starter box?
Not to derail I just saw that date and thought it was strange to have a "how to paint chaos" out of nowhere. It was the first What's New in a while.
Playing one more tournament with 5th and looking forward to a new ruleset, played 5th from start to finish.
You actually DO understand the reason people feel that compulsion. Stupid people fear change. They fear it because they don't understand it, or themselves. Then to provide themselves with some measure of comfort, they doomsay the failure of said change in hopes that it will go away.
But you knew that.
Way to flippantly dismiss the very reasonable concerns (though admittedly not always reasonably stated) of a heavily invested fan-base. Games Workshop's recent track record with edition changes isn't exactly stellar, and for people that enjoy what they already have, the possibility of losing that game (or active support for it) is something to be concerned about. Don't try to categorize everyone who isn't excited or optimistic about the upcoming edition as "stupid," it just makes you look like some sort of internet troll.
Ascalam wrote:if i did that, my clean slate would be 7th :(
I'm getting a last few games in with 5th, and hoping 6th doesn't suck ...
As sad as it is to say, we are probably going to be disappointed. I was exciting about getting into Fantasy when 8th came out. Then I realized the game was 100% random and your strategy does not matter at all because of how random it is. I bet 6th is going to mirror 8th and will be the same way. Hell, I remember hearing rumors that your psychic powers are going to be randomly determined now. Not sure if those were dispelled or not but the game just keeps getting more and more random which makes the game much worse in my book.
Clearly it will be terrible. Let me know how much you want to sell your armies for?
Seriously, the game has a lot of randomness in it now - being a good player is about managing this to desirable results.
Well you have to look at GW's hitory as a company.
When BMW or Audi say they are making a new model car people are interested to see how far technology etc has come and what is in store for regular brands in 4-5 years time.
People look with excitement to these releaes because they have a track record of progression and advancement.
When GW announce a new Edition for 40k, due to passed experiences with them, most people just simply hold their breath and hope for an average book, most people dont expect leaps and bounds and rules fixes since GW has never printed a readable rules book yet...
So the cynics out there are most likely just letting off the steam before the actual release. Will 6E fix 40k? I hope it does but aftr seeing 6 editions of this game, history will say they will not fix this game.
Milisim wrote: Will 6E fix 40k? I hope it does but aftr seeing 6 editions of this game, history will say they will not fix this game.
It doesn't really need to 'fix' it... it just needs to fix the more broken bits.
5th ed was by no means perfect, but it was a huge enough improvement over 4th to get me playing again. I don't expect perfection, just an enjoyable game.
Well now you're just being obtuse. The very fact people have been using the 5th ed rulebook for years with little issue proves they can. I'm not saying that there aren't examples of rules that defy singular interpretation (The doom scythe's death ray springs to mind), just that most of the time the rules are entirely useable.
Well now you're just being obtuse. The very fact people have been using the 5th ed rulebook for years with little issue proves they can. I'm not saying that there aren't examples of rules that defy singular interpretation (The doom scythe's death ray springs to mind), just that most of the time the rules are entirely useable.
You have to admit their are allot of times where your opponent plans to do something and you sit back and go HUH?
The table i play regularly breaks concepts of the game with extreme scenario's
5th has no proper way of determining how conflicting rules behave. roll a die is a terrible method.
Instant death is a terrible mechanic that invalidates half of some armies overall builds
All in all 6th cant fix the game as the game itself isnt necesarily broken. It has some unclear bits but most of it comes from the codexes being gak.
Examples:
Army wide force weapons further invalidate muti wound models and even major IC's and MC's. Its not that the grey knights are OP its just that they tell certain armies to go home no matter what. Oh you have big baddies to bad you shouldve brought little baddies.
Not to mention the last few armies have an easy time ignoring shaken and stunned results despite many armies relying on those results to survive.
etc.
For me the biggest problem is that 40k is ablanced and well established game that functions perfectly fine as long as both players are marines.
logg_frogg wrote:Personally The release of a new edition doesn't scare me nor does it make me think that I should just keep playing an outdated edition because it's *better*
I'm not sure if an edition of a game being "outdated" even means anything. It's not like an almanac or a newspaper where the passage of time invalidates the product. Any edition of 40k remains as playable today as it ever was.
logg_frogg wrote:Personally The release of a new edition doesn't scare me nor does it make me think that I should just keep playing an outdated edition because it's *better*
I'm not sure if an edition of a game being "outdated" even means anything. It's not like an almanac or a newspaper where the passage of time invalidates the product. Any edition of 40k remains as playable today as it ever was.
Quite true, but I guess I just like to live in the present rather than use the books that are proudly collecting dust on my shelves lol.
I suppose it might be fun to try and play a game of rogue trader Necromunda can be fun once in a while too
Well not played for months, so a new rule set has me interested. however look at Drop Zone Commander, total new game, in 2 months went from uber hype to whinners... and the rules and figures are not out yet!
Druidic wrote:Well not played for months, so a new rule set has me interested. however look at Drop Zone Commander, total new game, in 2 months went from uber hype to whinners... and the rules and figures are not out yet!
BladeWalker wrote:So the Chaos Terminators Masterclass painting class that is being held at Warhammer World on September 1, 2012 will be to paint the ones from the starter box?
Not to derail I just saw that date and thought it was strange to have a "how to paint chaos" out of nowhere. It was the first What's New in a while.
I wouldn't say out of nowhere... one of the Masterclasses that they have been promising since the first one was painting a full squad in a day; though the original idea was to paint an entire battleforce in a day. I'd also doubt that they would use the starter box ones when it would be cheaper for them to use the actual chaos terminator sprues and not have lots of Dark Angels left over.
Quite true, but I guess I just like to live in the present
It's not about living in the present at all. I'd say playing an older edition you think is better is more rational than playing a new edition simply because its new. Millions of people play PC games that are old every day, even competitively, despite the fact that multiple new ones with shinier graphics (but worse gameplay and/or content) have been released. Most people like to see if the new product is any good before even considering to abandon the old one that they like.
Quite true, but I guess I just like to live in the present
It's not about living in the present at all. I'd say playing an older edition you think is better is more rational than playing a new edition simply because its new. Millions of people play PC games that are old every day, even competitively, despite the fact that multiple new ones with shinier graphics (but worse gameplay and/or content) have been released. Most people like to see if the new product is any good before even considering to abandon the old one that they like.
The big thing is that the current edition isn't great and isn't balanced. It's completely fine for casual play but once you get to competetive play there are armies with clear advantages(GN's being able to field a razorback with Str6 HB's that counts as a troop choice/scoring unit for 65 pts? lets get real!), vehicle dmamge doesn't work well, instant death/eternal warrior/*removed from play* all need fixing.
There will always be balancing issues with any printed rule set. It's not like you can patch/nerf text based rules very easily like you can with video games.
All I really hope is that My CSM are tournament viable again... Breazing into the finals with a solid list and then getting pummeled by razor spam piloted by some newb drives me insane lol.
How do you presume a new edition of the core rulebook will make a terrible codex (CSM) better and the most competitive codex (GK) worse? Which rumoured change of a core rule will change the situation? You should've just said you'll support any change that makes your army more competitive. I'm afraid you're not getting any.
Therion wrote:How do you presume a new edition of the core rulebook will make a terrible codex (CSM) better and the most competitive codex (GK) worse? Which rumoured change of a core rule will change the situation? You should've just said you'll support any change that makes your army more competitive. I'm afraid you're not getting any.
Simply changing the Wound Allocation rules or going to a Percentage System instead of a Force Org Chart will nerf Grey Knight pretty drastically. Now he may also be referring to the new Codex that CSM is rumored to be getting very soon.
Im all for the sooner the better...but Im not jumping into a $70+ book until I hear about some of the changes. Im not very into 5th, and if the changes arent steep enough Im not getting into 6th either.
Heard from a friend that 6th will have random charge distances like Fantasy. Do not know where he heard that from but I have not heard about it. Anyone else here anything similar to this? Because that is exactly what this game needs: more randomness.
Kurce wrote:Heard from a friend that 6th will have random charge distances like Fantasy. Do not know where he heard that from but I have not heard about it. Anyone else here anything similar to this? Because that is exactly what this game needs: more randomness.
Probably the last 5 rumors threads re: 6th edition. The most recent one was Beasts of War though.
Lorizael wrote:Wow, it's almost like GWs policy is doing what it's meant to!
Maybe for some.
I generally don't waste the energy getting excited based on internet rumours. Yes, some people are getting excited now, with the vague rumours that we have about 6th. But how many more would be getting excited if GW had actually put some effort into hyping this over the last couple of months?
GW is still leaning on the fanboys to support them...the people who use all (or a large chunk) of their disposable income for GW products. They know these people have $70 in their pocket, and that its slated for GW product, so they have no qualms about a last minute release of a huge thing like a new edition of their main product. Sure they would probably sell more if they let people know earlier, but GW doesnt seem interested in selling more product, instead they seem to like to sell the same amount of product for higher and higher prices, but thats an entirely different issue.
However, add me to the list of people who would love to see a flop due to lack of advanced notice...I would find that highly entertaining.
Milisim wrote:Well you have to look at GW's hitory as a company.
When BMW or Audi say they are making a new model car people are interested to see how far technology etc has come and what is in store for regular brands in 4-5 years time.
People look with excitement to these releaes because they have a track record of progression and advancement.
When GW announce a new Edition for 40k, due to passed experiences with them, most people just simply hold their breath and hope for an average book, most people dont expect leaps and bounds and rules fixes since GW has never printed a readable rules book yet...
So the cynics out there are most likely just letting off the steam before the actual release. Will 6E fix 40k? I hope it does but aftr seeing 6 editions of this game, history will say they will not fix this game.
Lorizael wrote:Wow, it's almost like GWs policy is doing what it's meant to!
Maybe for some.
I generally don't waste the energy getting excited based on internet rumours. Yes, some people are getting excited now, with the vague rumours that we have about 6th. But how many more would be getting excited if GW had actually put some effort into hyping this over the last couple of months?
GW is still leaning on the fanboys to support them...the people who use all (or a large chunk) of their disposable income for GW products. They know these people have $70 in their pocket, and that its slated for GW product, so they have no qualms about a last minute release of a huge thing like a new edition of their main product. Sure they would probably sell more if they let people know earlier, but GW doesnt seem interested in selling more product, instead they seem to like to sell the same amount of product for higher and higher prices, but thats an entirely different issue.
However, add me to the list of people who would love to see a flop due to lack of advanced notice...I would find that highly entertaining.
Yeah, because it would be great if the new edition flopped and we lost a ton of people out of the hobby. Sigh. As much as I may not agree with everything that GW does, they do provide us with a hobby that I enjoy by virtue of their existence.
How long do you think that the hobby would last if the company went down the tubes?
This is pretty much how I feel about 40k in general. I've played DE for a long time not nearly as long as some from 3rd but I like a lot of DE players were patiently waiting for the holy grail as an update and when it finally came at first it was so awesome what with the new model line and rules that we really didn't look at the problem that still faced us from the previous dex and wtih lances being priced more and Imperium armies gaining fast transport/weapons platforms we no longer became the fastest army in the game anymore. I can't even play 40k anymore, I just don't get any enjoyment out of it, when I play it almost feels like me and my opponent are playing completely different games.
I have a feint hope that 6th will fix xenos problems but it won't, xenos players just have to face facts that we aren't GWs intentional audience. And now that 40k prices keep going up I just can't make an argument to keep buying.
@Luthon1234: You know this kind of thing is cyclical right? There were times when Nidzilla, Orks and Mechdar were on top of the world. In fact it wasn't that long ago. Before that Chaos was on top and and on and on. That doesn't sound too much like GW hating on Xenos. It is just that people have short memories.
Pretre makes a good point And I'd like to point out that orks are still one of the nastiest armies in existence. I'm pretty sure that of the three GT's/2-day events I know about last weekend that we had:
Daemons & Eldar take overall at the Bugeater & Game Empire events. (not sure who had overall at the Railhead Rumble)
Orks, & Eldar take Best General at the Bugeater & Railhead Rumble.
The idea that Xenos is worse than MEQ is just wrong. They've pretty much always been strong or over the top and they mostly still are. Granted I won't say they don't have a higher learning curve than your average MEQ army. But if you actually take the time to learn them they are nasty, even in the world of GK's and SW's.
Grant wrote:via Grant
*The book is called chaos space marines.
*There are no legions. theDarkGeneral is wrong
*I don't know if I mentioned it before but the "random terrain" is officially called "mysterious terrain"
*Also the anti psyker stuff in the book is a special rule called "suffer the witch". Every unit can negate a power on a 6 up but it can be buffed....yeah...can you say GK nerf?
*One is called ecstasy...which sounds weird but basically it allows the user to fire his weapon at his strength value. I can't remember what unit has it though!
*Some usr names are "strike down", "blind", and "un-weilding". Not sure what they do.
*There is a usr called "invisibility" that seems to have an affect on targeting a the unit and also effects assault.
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The idea that Xenos is worse than MEQ is just wrong. They've pretty much always been strong or over the top and they mostly still are. Granted I won't say they don't have a higher learning curve than your average MEQ army. But if you actually take the time to learn them they are nasty, even in the world of GK's and SW's.
The idea that Xenos is worse than MEQ is just wrong. They've pretty much always been strong or over the top and they mostly still are. Granted I won't say they don't have a higher learning curve than your average MEQ army. But if you actually take the time to learn them they are nasty, even in the world of GK's and SW's.
pretre wrote:. It is just that people have short memories.
This.
Many armies have seen the top and the bottom of the hill. Except the Tau - I think they have always been at the bottom.
I understand the gripes about not having balance - but I think most people just want their army/armies to be the top. It is human/hobby nature to want your army to be competitive. Or at least recently updated.
The idea that Xenos is worse than MEQ is just wrong. They've pretty much always been strong or over the top and they mostly still are. Granted I won't say they don't have a higher learning curve than your average MEQ army. But if you actually take the time to learn them they are nasty, even in the world of GK's and SW's.
GK, Imp, BA vs...uhm...DE?
What's your question?
I guess that it's up to personal opinion, but imo, overall, non-Xenos tend to get better codexes.
/e: And yes, I do know that GK were worse. Then again, Necrons get a new codex that's relatively balanced. When GK got their new codex back then...well, it's obvious.
Sigvatr wrote:I guess that it's up to personal opinion, but imo, overall, non-Xenos tend to get better codexes.
/e: And yes, I do know that GK were worse. Then again, Necrons get a new codex that's relatively balanced. When GK got their new codex back then...well, it's obvious.
Except when Xenos got better codexes in the past. Again with the short memories.
Mechdar ruled 4th.
Orks have always been pretty good but had some spotlight times where they were top of the heap.
Nidzilla.
If you count CSM, 3.5 CSM Codex.
Necrons when they first came out and could kill everything.
DE and Necrons right now.
Tyranids had a strong shooting/tarpit build in 3rd edition that was very competive and often had 4-5 Cheap MC in it. They had an even stronger Tier 1 codex in 4th that meshed perfectly with the rules for 4th Edition's BRB. Alot of people point to Nid-Zilla as being typified by the MC, and they were a significant part. However, the real diamonds were the genestealers who where extremely fast, fairly resiliant, possessed Frags, and could literally kill anything thanks to 4th edition's version of rending.
Unfortunately, this codex jumped down to tier 3 with the arrival of the 5th edition BRB. Cheap monstrous creatures proved meaningless when you couldn't open up transports (most 4th nid guns had negative modifiers on the new improved damage chart) and pin the occupants inside, couldn't get cover saves, and couldn't survive fearless wounds. Genestealers also took major hits: either losing 33% of rending or frags and geting hosed by tranportees who were no longer pinned.
Mechdar was also very strong through both 3rd and 4th edition. I played against alot of eldar both in 3rd and 4th edition, and it seamed to me that the 3rd edition codex that came out midway or so through third and lasted through half of 4th seamed to be the stronger of the two codices. Still, guys who actaully played the codices and faced armies other than nids would be the best to ask.
Orcs had a meh 3rd edition codex that lasted through most of 4th edition. When the new Orc codex came out, it was really a forerunner of 5th edition and was very successful in the last days of 4th and the early part of 5th. As the new 5th edition codices came out, Orcs did lose steam, but thier competiveness was boosted with the FAQ that officailly allowed Death Rollers to be used against vehicles.
Necrons had a solid 3rd edition dex that played well throughout 4th. Dash-of-Pepper proved that a very specific 3rd ed. codex build could compete handily in 5th.
All of the armies are competitive if built for fun. WAAC ruins the game as much as internet spam lists. My game group has found that playing lists that are fun with the coolest models a few beers and some smoke make the game so much more fun than spamming some list you found on the net to win.
pretre wrote:. It is just that people have short memories.
This.
Many armies have seen the top and the bottom of the hill. Except the Tau - I think they have always been at the bottom.
I understand the gripes about not having balance - but I think most people just want their army/armies to be the top. It is human/hobby nature to want your army to be competitive. Or at least recently updated.
Tau used to be far better. Fish of Fury was a viable tactic, and back in 4th their prices didn't seem so high.
rothrich wrote:All of the armies are competitive if built for fun. WAAC ruins the game as much as internet spam lists. My game group has found that playing lists that are fun with the coolest models a few beers and some smoke make the game so much more fun than spamming some list you found on the net to win.
Not sure if serious...
Beerhammer is good and all, but that has nothing to do with competitiveness.
In the previous edition? It was pretty good. Cheap monstrous creatures are what got the -zilla suffix on it. You basically spammed MCs and won.
It was basically one unit that was good and could be spammed in exactly one competitive list: The Carnifex in HS and Elite. One unit doesn't make a good Codex though. Then they nerfed the Carnifex ...
I think warhammer 40k surviving is assured. If only because of the number of players.
Also so if people hate 6th ed, theres always 5th/4th/3rd and pancake to play.
The hobby can survive without GW,
GW can't survive without the hobby.
In the previous edition? It was pretty good. Cheap monstrous creatures are what got the -zilla suffix on it. You basically spammed MCs and won.
It was basically one unit that was good and could be spammed in exactly one competitive list: The Carnifex in HS and Elite. One unit doesn't make a good Codex though. Then they nerfed the Carnifex ...
Genestealers were pretty good in 4th with Rending activating on a hit of 6. And unless there was an FAQ, Carnis could only be Elites if they were under 115pts in a 1500pt game.
Hulksmash wrote:Pretre makes a good point And I'd like to point out that orks are still one of the nastiest armies in existence. I'm pretty sure that of the three GT's/2-day events I know about last weekend that we had:
Daemons & Eldar take overall at the Bugeater & Game Empire events. (not sure who had overall at the Railhead Rumble)
Orks, & Eldar take Best General at the Bugeater & Railhead Rumble.
The idea that Xenos is worse than MEQ is just wrong. They've pretty much always been strong or over the top and they mostly still are. Granted I won't say they don't have a higher learning curve than your average MEQ army. But if you actually take the time to learn them they are nasty, even in the world of GK's and SW's.
Yep. We recently had a thread about this. Xenos armies are on par with Imperial armies-- the idea that they aren't is largely a meme spread by netlisters who haven't spent the time necessary to understand more complex armies. MEQs are specifically designed to be somewhat forgiving to play-- this used to explicitly be spelled out in the designer's notes-- and thus have less of a learning curve, but that doesn't make them better. Some of the nasty tricks that Necrons, DE, Orks, and even the dated Eldar can pull off just aren't available in other books, and overall you'd be foolish to discount Xenos forces.
Deadshot wrote:Genestealers were pretty good in 4th with Rending activating on a hit of 6. And unless there was an FAQ, Carnis could only be Elites if they were under 115pts in a 1500pt game.
... which was the birth hour of the Dakkafex (plain Carnifex with 2 twinlinked devourers for 113 points), 3 of them mandatory in all competitive Tyranid lists.
Deadshot wrote:And unless there was an FAQ, Carnis could only be Elites if they were under 115pts in a 1500pt game.
There wasn't a game-size limitation, and that's what made Nidzilla so nasty - twin-devourer Carnifexes w/the BS upgrade were 113 pts. So you took 3 as Elites, 3 gun-fexes as Heavies, and dared your opponent to kill them.
In the previous edition? It was pretty good. Cheap monstrous creatures are what got the -zilla suffix on it. You basically spammed MCs and won.
It was basically one unit that was good and could be spammed in exactly one competitive list: The Carnifex in HS and Elite. One unit doesn't make a good Codex though. Then they nerfed the Carnifex ...
Genestealers were pretty good in 4th with Rending activating on a hit of 6. And unless there was an FAQ, Carnis could only be Elites if they were under 115pts in a 1500pt game.
113 for dual devourers and BS3 IIRC. 8 twin-linked S6 shots re-rolling to wound, at 18". It had to be at least a 1500pt game, but 1500pts was the smallest size you ever saw in normal tournaments. 1700-1850 has been more common for the last ten years (with some events spiking to 2k), at least in the US. Tyranids didn't just have the MCs, though. Stealers, Tyrants, Raveners, Biovores were all great, and even the little bugs were useful. Eldar, of course, were nasty as heck, especially the Harliefalcons build.
pretre wrote:How long do you think that the hobby would last if the company went down the tubes?
Which hobby are we talking about? Miniature wargaming, which existed before GW and will exist after GW, or the HHHobby, an imaginary construct created by blind fools who thing GW is the be-all and end-all of miniature wargaming? Regardless of which one of those two you end up picking, the answer is "as long as it has always done". You think 40K dies with GW? You don't think other companies would swoop in to acquire that IP?
As an added bonus, Wayland are offering extra discount on GW products (not all mind you) until the 30th June. In all likelihood it won't include the 6th ed box set, though it'll definitely be worth keeping an eye out for either way.
Slightly off topic, though I thought you guys would want to know, just in case.
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kitch102 wrote:6th edition lands on June 23rd!
I think that's the announce date.
Be it the announce date or the release date, it'll be nice to actually know what's going on in our most beloved of hobbies either way
pretre wrote:I think this would be a good time to close this one and move to the other thread. Especially since this one is now wrong.
@Deadshot: At least give it a chance, damn man.
I have heard.some total loads of crap. Different characteristics and gak like that. If the set cganges too much I ain't playing. I like 5th. Its the magic number and lucky. 6 is evil.
Deadshot wrote:I have heard.some total loads of crap. Different characteristics and gak like that. If the set cganges too much I ain't playing. I like 5th. Its the magic number and lucky. 6 is evil.
If you're going by the 'leaked' rulebook from a few months back, it's been pretty much confirmed that 6th won't actually look much like that.
Gargantuan wrote:I wonder if that's the release date or the pre-order date.
Well, I updated the tracking thread. If it ends up being the pre-order instead of release, I'll have to update it again. A lot of people got a lot of falses for a release dates today.
Deadshot wrote:I have heard.some total loads of crap. Different characteristics and gak like that. If the set cganges too much I ain't playing. I like 5th. Its the magic number and lucky. 6 is evil.
If you're going by the 'leaked' rulebook from a few months back, it's been pretty much confirmed that 6th won't actually look much like that.
I was refering to the "Live Blogging thread" down the forum.
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Boo.... I bet you're right, this is probably the advance order date / day they fess up that 6th ed actually exists and put out info on it. Drat... and that means that the OP's rumor may be right, or it could be June 30. How long are advance orders up before general release, usually?
Deadshot wrote:I have heard.some total loads of crap. Different characteristics and gak like that. If the set cganges too much I ain't playing. I like 5th. Its the magic number and lucky. 6 is evil.
If you're going by the 'leaked' rulebook from a few months back, it's been pretty much confirmed that 6th won't actually look much like that.
Towards the end of the leak hysteria, it was pretty much confirmed that the leaked book was at best a 'wishlist' version put together by the studio in the early development phase, and not at all representative of the end product.
I would very, very much doubt that 6th ed will see a change to the turn order, a change to the statline, or any larger changes to the game than we saw in the transition from 3rd to 4th, or 4th to 5th.
Not really. I like the game the way it is. Wound allocation.isn't as bad as people say and the only bad thing is vehicle spam. GK are.not that powerful as people say. I think only Purifiers are bad, as you get them and Razorspam at the same time.
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Not really. I like the game the way it is. Wound allocation.isn't as bad as people say and the only bad thing is vehicle spam. GK are.not that powerful as people say. I think only Purifiers are bad, as you get them and Razorspam at the same time.
There are stores in the UK that are accepting pre-orders for 6th, though they are not official pre-orders. Maybe their store owners know something we don't?
Dantalian wrote:There are stores in the UK that are accepting pre-orders for 6th, though they are not official pre-orders. Maybe their store owners know something we don't?
Good news. This is the best time in the hobby. Full of promise. GW lets us down each time and we know it but secretly we're hoping that this is the edition that GW gives us a balanced game that can also be played competitively at tournaments. I'm loving it.
It will probably be several months before anyone knows 6th edition came out as GW has effectively neutralized any kind of product anticipation to begin with. Even poor Jervis in WD will still be giving tips about 5th edition before someone in the September edition tips him off that 6th rolled out three months prior.
Sweet, if this is actually released on the 30th, it's the day before my 30th birthday!
Out of curiosity, how does shipping work for GW pre-orders? Do they deliver on or before release day, or would I be getting the book the following week even with express shipping? I only ask cause I've had issues with FLGS pre-orders in the past and there is not an actual GW store in my city.
They used to ship for delivery by the release date, which often meant getting it a little early.
With their new 'All is must be secret, Komrade!' policy, Advance Orders ship on the release date. So your 'reward' for placing an advance order is to receive the product a week or two after everyone who just walks into a store on release day.
23rd June is also official release date of the WD, so it's the official announcement day usually including preorders. Slight possibility that preorder time is 2 weeks like with paints, but chances are, release date is indeed 30th June as BramGaunt said.
I'll be glad when it finally comes out and people get interested in playing 40K again. Friday is usually a big day to play 40K at my FLGS but today I was the only one there. Fortunately, I also brought my Warmachine stuff, so it wasn't a total wash.
Question is now, can you hold onto that money for a week or two till the release? I was thinking the release was the 23rd, but now after reading a few posts, is this just the pre-order date, or just the anouncement date?
The idea that Xenos is worse than MEQ is just wrong. They've pretty much always been strong or over the top and they mostly still are. Granted I won't say they don't have a higher learning curve than your average MEQ army. But if you actually take the time to learn them they are nasty, even in the world of GK's and SW's.
GK, Imp, BA vs...uhm...DE?
What's your question?
I guess that it's up to personal opinion, but imo, overall, non-Xenos tend to get better codexes.
/e: And yes, I do know that GK were worse. Then again, Necrons get a new codex that's relatively balanced. When GK got their new codex back then...well, it's obvious.
This pretty much. Right now Space Marines, Silver Space Marines, and Red Space Marines are the best in the game followed by Imperial Guard and Light Blue Space Marines. Dark Eldar/Necrons are competitive at least.
Yes, it's possible to beat Grey Knights with Tyranids, But there's a natural handicap built in that all non-Imperial players have to deal with, and that's the big balance issue.
GW rules can be tweaked though, I'm most concerned as to what the fluff will be as I've always put the lore above the game. Considering what GW's been doing with it lately (GW and Necron dexes were both fluff abortions), I am not optimistic.
insaniak wrote:They used to ship for delivery by the release date, which often meant getting it a little early.
With their new 'All is must be secret, Komrade!' policy, Advance Orders ship on the release date. So your 'reward' for placing an advance order is to receive the product a week or two after everyone who just walks into a store on release day.
Bah, ok, I thought it was some such nonsense. I typically prefer buying locally when I can, but the closest shop is more of a comic shop, and couldn't tell you much about the difference between WHFB and 40k, aside from the fact that they both exist and they probably have them for sale in their store. From past pre-orders there, I was a little unsure they actually knew what they were supposed to order, which isn't exactly assuring. I'll just head to the big store in town, just a bit further of a drive.
So enough rambling about my troubles... hooray for 6th edition! Fingers crossed for some new version of Kill Team! Chances are low on that, but an old vet can dream.
The idea that Xenos is worse than MEQ is just wrong. They've pretty much always been strong or over the top and they mostly still are. Granted I won't say they don't have a higher learning curve than your average MEQ army. But if you actually take the time to learn them they are nasty, even in the world of GK's and SW's.
GK, Imp, BA vs...uhm...DE?
What's your question?
I guess that it's up to personal opinion, but imo, overall, non-Xenos tend to get better codexes.
/e: And yes, I do know that GK were worse. Then again, Necrons get a new codex that's relatively balanced. When GK got their new codex back then...well, it's obvious.
This pretty much. Right now Space Marines, Silver Space Marines, and Red Space Marines are the best in the game followed by Imperial Guard and Light Blue Space Marines. Dark Eldar/Necrons are competitive at least.
Yes, it's possible to beat Grey Knights with Tyranids, But there's a natural handicap built in that all non-Imperial players have to deal with, and that's the big balance issue.
Don't count orks out. They can excel against many of the armies you have listed if they have a well built list,
Anyway, LMAO when I saw that they called it a 'teaser' trailer. They pretty much spelt it out for us!
I just hope they won't change too much, just the stuff that obviously needs changing. Lvls on special rules would bug me out so much.
Although it's rather frustrating to have 6th edition coming out just as I'm starting to get the rules for 5th edition down, I'm hoping for a iBooks release of the 6th edition BRB.
insaniak wrote:So was I. Warhammer 40K tanking will not kill the hobby. Just Warhammer 40K. Maybe. It certainly didn't kill Battletech.
Is there some secret island colony of battletech players that are still alive? That game appears to be about as dead as they get.
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The idea that Xenos is worse than MEQ is just wrong. They've pretty much always been strong or over the top and they mostly still are. Granted I won't say they don't have a higher learning curve than your average MEQ army. But if you actually take the time to learn them they are nasty, even in the world of GK's and SW's.
GK, Imp, BA vs...uhm...DE?
What's your question?
I guess that it's up to personal opinion, but imo, overall, non-Xenos tend to get better codexes.
/e: And yes, I do know that GK were worse. Then again, Necrons get a new codex that's relatively balanced. When GK got their new codex back then...well, it's obvious.
This pretty much. Right now Space Marines, Silver Space Marines, and Red Space Marines are the best in the game followed by Imperial Guard and Light Blue Space Marines. Dark Eldar/Necrons are competitive at least.
Yes, it's possible to beat Grey Knights with Tyranids, But there's a natural handicap built in that all non-Imperial players have to deal with, and that's the big balance issue.
Don't count orks out. They can excel against many of the armies you have listed if they have a well built list,
Anyway, LMAO when I saw that they called it a 'teaser' trailer. They pretty much spelt it out for us!
I just hope they won't change too much, just the stuff that obviously needs changing. Lvls on special rules would bug me out so much.
Wait, did someone seriously argue that space marines were better than light blue space marines...? Alsp, the GK handicap exists for all non mech guard imperial players as well. Those force weapons go through power armor just as well as MCs.
I didn't read the previous posts but are people saying that the book will be released on the 23rd? Because the manager at the Seattle Battle Bunker said the 23rd was just the pre-order date. A two week pre-order period at that.
ShumaGorath wrote:
Is there some secret island colony of battletech players that are still alive? That game appears to be about as dead as they get.
It is not a secret island colony, more of a convalescent home in the suburbs.
I hope 5th Ed has some of the rule variations that earlier eds had such as kill teams and combat patrols, or even spearhead/apoc type game set ups. Or maybe they will start putting that type of material into WD again?
I wonder what the preorder/preview materials will actually entail, considering that this is the first edition launched under the Комитет НоЪЬїТ regime.
When 8th WFB hit we had tons of info ahead of time, all the way down to most of the spell lores. This time we have <10 as-yet-unconfirmed rumoured tidbits.
It's easy for them to preview models and updated supplements (by displaying the new stats, names of rules, etc.) but I wonder if they will actually put forth any juicy rules info regarding 6th.
This is the first rule change I've been through, so should I expect anything other than a new rule book? Will the starter be released at the same time so I don't have to buy the giant book?
insaniak wrote:So was I. Warhammer 40K tanking will not kill the hobby. Just Warhammer 40K. Maybe. It certainly didn't kill Battletech.
Is there some secret island colony of battletech players that are still alive? That game appears to be about as dead as they get.
Eh, what? There's new stuff coming out all the time from Catalyst Games, and 2 awesome new video games coming out this year.
Besides, with a company like Topps owning Catalyst Games, they wouldn't keep the license going unless it was making them a profit.
The videogames are wholly separate entities from the miniatures game and came after roughly a decade of nothing. I haven't seen any new models out for battletech in a while, but that doesn't mean they don't exsit. Are these just the rescpults that get out from time to time? Is there actually new content? I remember the starter box they tried to push a few years back, but that seemed to bomb as hard as everything else attached to the minis liscence has since the 90s.
Maybe my standards for what constitutes a "dead game" are a little loose.
shamroll wrote:This is the first rule change I've been through, so should I expect anything other than a new rule book? Will the starter be released at the same time so I don't have to buy the giant book?
Historically the starter set is released a few months after.
pretre wrote:. It is just that people have short memories.
This.
Many armies have seen the top and the bottom of the hill. Except the Tau - I think they have always been at the bottom.
I understand the gripes about not having balance - but I think most people just want their army/armies to be the top. It is human/hobby nature to want your army to be competitive. Or at least recently updated.
Tau used to be far better. Fish of Fury was a viable tactic, and back in 4th their prices didn't seem so high.
I don't want my army to be top (that would be nice though), I just want to be anywhere near competitive.
So does this mean that the pre orders go up the 23rd and the rule book is released the 30th? That seems a bit odd for GW since they usually announce pre-orders on the last Friday of every month when the White Dwarf comes out. Regardless I can't wait for it.
Yes, i am getting excited for this. Since I saw the video on Games-Workshops website. I don't think it could be anything else, unless it is a Dark Angels release.
Since I am getting back into the game, I'd better decide what chapter i am going to go with. Silver Skulls or Doom Eagles Or Guardians of the Covenant. Hrmm.
Let me get this straight - this is an announcement of an announcement of 6th coming soon in the future? Kind of like "the future events such as these will affect you in the future?"
-DE- wrote:Let me get this straight - this is an announcement of an announcement of 6th coming soon in the future? Kind of like "the future events such as these will affect you in the future?"
They heard everybody complaining about a lack of rumors, so they came up with this:
ShatteredBlade wrote:Yes, i am getting excited for this. Since I saw the video on Games-Workshops website. I don't think it could be anything else, unless it is a Dark Angels release.
Since I am getting back into the game, I'd better decide what chapter i am going to go with. Silver Skulls or Doom Eagles Or Guardians of the Covenant. Hrmm.
Has absolutely no reference to any codex as none tie with the number 6. BA were not the 6th Legion, nor DA. Wolves are the closest codex as they were the VI legion.
Since that's the same date as the new white dwarf, does that add to or detract from the idea that 6th edition will be out that day, as opposed to the preorder?
Compel wrote:Since that's the same date as the new white dwarf, does that add to or detract from the idea that 6th edition will be out that day, as opposed to the preorder?
Probably a pre-order on the 23rd and "Teasers" aka absolute useless piles of gak that hint at nothing in the white dwarf. After all, if they release it in june, what can they sell in july?
-DE- wrote:Let me get this straight - this is an announcement of an announcement of 6th coming soon in the future? Kind of like "the future events such as these will affect you in the future?"
They heard everybody complaining about a lack of rumors, so they came up with this:
Oh God, you are right and now I can't stop laughing.
I think what it will be is official info release on the 23rd and the start of the pre-orders. Meaning that it will be a July 7th release? I guess we will know next week (or this week) if pre-orders start. I don't see GW dropping 6th without at least a week of pre-ordering time.
shamroll wrote:This is the first rule change I've been through, so should I expect anything other than a new rule book? Will the starter be released at the same time so I don't have to buy the giant book?
Historically the starter set is released a few months after.
Alot of people are assuming this however the codex for the proposed 6th ed box armies are pretty old, it seems like an odd move on GW's part. Perhaps they will just revise the old blackreach box untill these codex are updated.
shamroll wrote:This is the first rule change I've been through, so should I expect anything other than a new rule book? Will the starter be released at the same time so I don't have to buy the giant book?
Historically the starter set is released a few months after.
Alot of people are assuming this however the codex for the proposed 6th ed box armies are pretty old, it seems like an odd move on GW's part. Perhaps they will just revise the old blackreach box untill these codex are updated.
If people buy the black reach box, the 5th ed rules will be useless. How will GW do it, give everybody a small 6th ed rulebook aswell?
ShatteredBlade wrote:Yes, i am getting excited for this. Since I saw the video on Games-Workshops website. I don't think it could be anything else, unless it is a Dark Angels release.
Since I am getting back into the game, I'd better decide what chapter i am going to go with. Silver Skulls or Doom Eagles Or Guardians of the Covenant. Hrmm.
Has absolutely no reference to any codex as none tie with the number 6. BA were not the 6th Legion, nor DA. Wolves are the closest codex as they were the VI legion.
Oh I agree completely, I'm just being cautious since I've been burned too many times.
loki old fart wrote:
If people buy the black reach box, the 5th ed rules will be useless. How will GW do it, give everybody a small 6th ed rulebook aswell?
YES!
GW has a flawless trackreckord when it comes to reimbursing people when one of their products becomes obsolete.
/sarcasm off
Even with a useless rulebook, the AoBR set is still insanely good value for money. And as a starter game, there is absolutely nothing wrong with still providing the old 5th edition book in it for 2 months to come. It usually takes a few weeks/months before everybody in a gameing group plays the new edition.
Breotan wrote:I didn't read the previous posts but are people saying that the book will be released on the 23rd? Because the manager at the Seattle Battle Bunker said the 23rd was just the pre-order date. A two week pre-order period at that.
wuestenfux wrote:
Two weeks ahead. Do we need to prepare for this? How much will the rulebook cost? Is a starter set on the way and when will it come out?
Cost is anyone's guess right now.
A starter set will no doubt be on the way, but GW's MO for the last couple of editions has been to give the full rulebook a couple of months to sell through first.
wuestenfux wrote:
Two weeks ahead. Do we need to prepare for this? How much will the rulebook cost? Is a starter set on the way and when will it come out?
Cost is anyone's guess right now.
A starter set will no doubt be on the way, but GW's MO for the last couple of editions has been to give the full rulebook a couple of months to sell through first.
Makes sense.
You need to sell that big book and nobody would buy it if they could get a cheap small one wiith starter set right away.
Good news. This is the best time in the hobby. Full of promise. GW lets us down each time and we know it but secretly we're hoping that this is the edition that GW gives us a balanced game that can also be played competitively at tournaments. I'm loving it.
I suppose I am being overly optimistic by hoping that 6th ed will actually make a decent game for once. In reality they will probably do what they usually do with a new edition, rearrange the furniture.
Palindrome wrote:I suppose I am being overly optimistic by hoping that 6th ed will actually make a decent game for once. In reality they will probably do what they usually do with a new edition, rearrange the furniture.
If previous editions are anything to go by, it will be the 3.4 edition. So, the people who are saying "but I've only just learned 5th!" need not worry - you're not going to be asked to uni-cycle and juggle at the same time.
But, enthusiasm in contagious and all that!
I just find it absolutely nuts that this is perhaps 2 weeks away and the game has had absolutely zero marketing beyond the video. There was even an advert for AoBR in the last WD, which would be a great way to instantly lose a customer if some kid buys that right before a new version is released.
Pacific wrote:
I just find it absolutely nuts that this is perhaps 2 weeks away and the game has had absolutely zero marketing beyond the video. There was even an advert for AoBR in the last WD, which would be a great way to instantly lose a customer if some kid buys that right before a new version is released.
Well, this kind of policy allows GW to save money at the adverisement side. But this is nothing new. Look at the GW store at the Hamburg city, almost nobody recognizes it as its very small and in the basement.
Oh lawd, I am hyper ventilating, first I buy pc gamer today not knowing a ps2 beta key was in there, but now I find 6th ed is this early, please someone pinch me.
I am not sure if anyone even posted about this but I like to check the CW site for changes when a video or a supposed release is on it's way, and I noticed that on the American site that the Warhammer 40k core rule book is completely missing and gone. Not sure if this is old new or not but just good info I thought.
On a personal note SUPER STOKED for 6'th really can't wait to see what they come up with, I have actually liked alot of the rumors floating around.
insaniak wrote:So was I. Warhammer 40K tanking will not kill the hobby. Just Warhammer 40K. Maybe. It certainly didn't kill Battletech.
Is there some secret island colony of battletech players that are still alive? That game appears to be about as dead as they get.
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Come to Albany, NY-there is a full Battletech league-they play every Thursday. I recently started getting into it, and it's a ton of fun. I even own 5 BT minis and understand the rules now.
It's possible they have a new release every few days up until 6th hits. In just the past week they released 3 flyers, a few days later the ibooks, a few days later the new orcs and goblins models and new TK finecast.
If many players end up getting new releases every few days, this would get their attention to the website. Still not really advertising though.
Nagashek wrote:Now taking bets: $100 American/60 pounds sterling for 6th ed hardcover.
My money's on $74.25, same as the Fantasy rulebook.
erikwfg wrote:It's possible they have a new release every few days up until 6th hits. In just the past week they released 3 flyers, a few days later the ibooks, a few days later the new orcs and goblins models and new TK finecast.
If many players end up getting new releases every few days, this would get their attention to the website. Still not really advertising though.
That would be lovely, but I sincerely doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they released new models to coincide with the rulebook launch though. Did Fantasy 8th edition launch with a bunch of new models, or just the rulebook?
I don't think we will see anything period out of them until the WD drops on the 23rd.
Which in internet reality terms measn that someone in europe will crack one open and scan the goodies for us on the 20th and let us know for sure that we will be preordering product starting on the 23rd
If them recalling all 5th edition rule books from all registered retail and GW stores a few weeks back wasn;t enough of a tip off I don't know what is lol
logg_frogg wrote:I don't think we will see anything period out of them until the WD drops on the 23rd.
Which in internet reality terms measn that someone in europe will crack one open and scan the goodies for us on the 20th and let us know for sure that we will be preordering product starting on the 23rd
If them recalling all 5th edition rule books from all registered retail and GW stores a few weeks back wasn;t enough of a tip off I don't know what is lol
I hope so, I'd like to see If its worth buying, or just play pancake.
pretre wrote:Yeah, because it would be great if the new edition flopped and we lost a ton of people out of the hobby. Sigh. As much as I may not agree with everything that GW does, they do provide us with a hobby that I enjoy by virtue of their existence.
How long do you think that the hobby would last if the company went down the tubes?
Your thinking totally a different thing than we are. We arent talking about a collapse of GW thing, but say a 40-60% lower initial sales figure for the 6th ed rulebook than GW expects...the kind of thing where they might start thinking that this whole 1 week notice thing isnt working. Sales for the 6th ed rulebook over the long term will likely be around what GW expects, so a short term/initial shortfall wouldnt kill the whole company, but might open their eyes a bit.
By "the hobby" Im assuming you mean all of tabletop miniatures gaming...which would do just fine without GW, as people would move to other games, as many already have.
However, if you mean "the hobby" as GW being the end-all be-all of gaming...then, well, I feel sorry for you...
logg_frogg wrote:I don't think we will see anything period out of them until the WD drops on the 23rd.
Which in internet reality terms measn that someone in europe will crack one open and scan the goodies for us on the 20th and let us know for sure that we will be preordering product starting on the 23rd
If them recalling all 5th edition rule books from all registered retail and GW stores a few weeks back wasn;t enough of a tip off I don't know what is lol
Edit - Warren also mentioned a GW manager's conference on June 10-11. Could be to hand out the new BRB and after which the 'net would flood with 'confirmations' of rumors and such. Salt again."
insaniak wrote:So was I. Warhammer 40K tanking will not kill the hobby. Just Warhammer 40K. Maybe. It certainly didn't kill Battletech.
Is there some secret island colony of battletech players that are still alive? That game appears to be about as dead as they get.
.
Come to Albany, NY-there is a full Battletech league-they play every Thursday. I recently started getting into it, and it's a ton of fun. I even own 5 BT minis and understand the rules now.
If you go to any of the more popular Battletech forums online (or even ask here on Dakka) you will find plenty of players. BT may not be as big as 40k, but there are many old school players who keep it alive, and recruit new players whenever possible.
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loki old fart wrote:
logg_frogg wrote:I don't think we will see anything period out of them until the WD drops on the 23rd.
Which in internet reality terms measn that someone in europe will crack one open and scan the goodies for us on the 20th and let us know for sure that we will be preordering product starting on the 23rd
If them recalling all 5th edition rule books from all registered retail and GW stores a few weeks back wasn;t enough of a tip off I don't know what is lol
I hope so, I'd like to see If its worth buying, or just play pancake.
Agreed, Ive said it before, Im not dropping $70+ on a new 40k edition until I know theres enough improvement over 5th to be worth it.
I just feel so let down. A teaser about a pre order or an anoumcement about an anouncment? If this is not a release the GW must think of as idiots. I will not get excited over anything GW again.
Maybe its time to get excited over tje Hords box set.
Nagashek wrote:Now taking bets: $100 American/60 pounds sterling for 6th ed hardcover.
My money's on $74.25, same as the Fantasy rulebook.
erikwfg wrote:It's possible they have a new release every few days up until 6th hits. In just the past week they released 3 flyers, a few days later the ibooks, a few days later the new orcs and goblins models and new TK finecast.
If many players end up getting new releases every few days, this would get their attention to the website. Still not really advertising though.
That would be lovely, but I sincerely doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they released new models to coincide with the rulebook launch though. Did Fantasy 8th edition launch with a bunch of new models, or just the rulebook?
8e FB will have been released nearly 2 years by the time 6e 40k streets (10 July for 8e, 7 July for 6e.) A 33% mark up is completely in line with the rest of their price rises. I stand by my prediction, but do concede that if it is lower, that it will most certainly not be a dime less than $80.
And for your second question no. 8e released with nothing. I don't believe a single model was released until the coming of the O+G book in March of 2011, 8 months after its release.
Nagashek wrote:Now taking bets: $100 American/60 pounds sterling for 6th ed hardcover.
My money's on $74.25, same as the Fantasy rulebook.
erikwfg wrote:It's possible they have a new release every few days up until 6th hits. In just the past week they released 3 flyers, a few days later the ibooks, a few days later the new orcs and goblins models and new TK finecast.
If many players end up getting new releases every few days, this would get their attention to the website. Still not really advertising though.
That would be lovely, but I sincerely doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they released new models to coincide with the rulebook launch though. Did Fantasy 8th edition launch with a bunch of new models, or just the rulebook?
8e FB will have been released nearly 2 years by the time 6e 40k streets (10 July for 8e, 7 July for 6e.) A 33% mark up is completely in line with the rest of their price rises. I stand by my prediction, but do concede that if it is lower, that it will most certainly not be a dime less than $80.
And for your second question no. 8e released with nothing. I don't believe a single model was released until the coming of the O+G book in March of 2011, 8 months after its release.
Keep in mind that the 5th Ed book sold for $57.75 before going off shelves, so a $74.25 price tag would be a 28.6% price increase.
That's about what the WFB BRB prices did when 8th hit the scene so it wouldn't surprise me.
then again you could kill a bear with that book, it's a nice improvement (and who still brings a full size rulebook to a game anyway?)
I want a 500 plus page tome of knowledge, so i'm fully willing to drop $75 on something like that.
Looking at my collection, $50 for Apocalypse and $60 for IA 4, those books are paltry compared to WHFB 8th edition (our likely comparison book for this 40K book, I hope)
I'm also hopeful for in addition to the (rumored) 18 mission configs (rather than the current 9 possible ones) for some good narrative/scenario missions in the book, as well as a kill teams/combat patrol variant that works with the new rules.
I've got my fingers crossed tightly, now the waiting is killing me!
Edit - Warren also mentioned a GW manager's conference on June 10-11. Could be to hand out the new BRB and after which the 'net would flood with 'confirmations' of rumors and such. Salt again."
This is true. The manager from our local GW has been 'summoned to HQ for training' next week, so we may start to get some concrete details in a few days.
Red Comet wrote:So does this mean that the pre orders go up the 23rd and the rule book is released the 30th? That seems a bit odd for GW since they usually announce pre-orders on the last Friday of every month when the White Dwarf comes out. Regardless I can't wait for it.
Pre-order on 23rd with TWO WEEK window before the actual release in July. Something to do with a five week month.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Can I just ask the OP that if scans of the bookcover comes.out to the thread, can you put it in the title please? I don't want to see the cover untill it goes public from GW.
I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't want to see pictures before it's released, this probably is not the thread for you, seeing as most of us want to see pictures early, that's why they show up in these threads! Unless I'm the only one who comes to dakka rumor threads to hopefully see things before GWS decides it's okay for us to know what we're buying.
ShatteredBlade wrote:Yes, i am getting excited for this. Since I saw the video on Games-Workshops website. I don't think it could be anything else, unless it is a Dark Angels release.
Since I am getting back into the game, I'd better decide what chapter i am going to go with. Silver Skulls or Doom Eagles Or Guardians of the Covenant. Hrmm.
Has absolutely no reference to any codex as none tie with the number 6. BA were not the 6th Legion, nor DA. Wolves are the closest codex as they were the VI legion.
I want to know.release dates and confirmations on releases. For codexes I'll gladly see the art. But this is just a little bit more special than a codex.
loki old fart wrote:When did island of blood come out relative to 8th ed?
A few months after, IIRC.
September to 8th ed's July, like I said about a dozen posts ago.
Deadshot wrote:Why 2 week window?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Can I just ask the OP that if scans of the bookcover comes.out to the thread, can you put it in the title please? I don't want to see the cover untill it goes public from GW.
It's just going to be a picture of a hammer, like the last two (and Fantasy) rulebooks probably.
Deadshot wrote:I want to know.release dates and confirmations on releases. For codexes I'll gladly see the art. But this is just a little bit more special than a codex.
You can get those things from the GW website on the 23rd. Although they will probably put up the book cover at the same time.
In general, your request is pretty insane. People will quote the picture of the cover even if there's a notice put in the thread title. If you want to achieve such a crazy, pointless goal it's incumbent on you to resist the temptation of viewing preview discussions.
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NP If pics show up I will add it to the thread title when I see them. No promisses that you won' beat me to looking
23rd is the day White Dwarf is released, so expect to see announcement and previews then. Pre-orders will go up and then what, max 14 days until release? Might even be a store copy in your local GW for you to have a flick through on the 23rd.
) barring the new planes, so after i have those i'll be done buying Orks until the new ork dex/units get released.
.... jerks~ 
that as games workshop ages through editions it works out more and more refined and precise rule sets and get better and better at serving it's customer base. Granted like any company progress will remain behind the curve of what people want but that's just how it goes.
