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978190796479-4    40-02-60    Warhammer 40,000: Rulebook (English)    440pp Hardback Book    July    23-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    $74.25    $90.00
501192103238-9    40-41    Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Templates    3 x Templates    July    23-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    $19.75    $23.75
501192103234-1    40-45    Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Tape Measure    Servo Skull Tape Measure    July    23-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    $16.50    $19.75
501192197964-6    40-09-60    Warhammer 40,000: Psychic Powers (English)    32 Cards, Leaflet, Box    July    23-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    $13.25    $16.00
501192103553-3    64-38    Tanglewire    TBC    July    -    7-Jul-12    7-Jul-12    $10.00    $13.75
501192103236-5    40-42    Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Dice    12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin    July    21-Jul-12    28-Jul-12    28-Jul-12    $16.50    $19.75
501192103235-8    40-43    Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Battlefield Objectives    12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin    July    21-Jul-12    28-Jul-12    28-Jul-12    $16.50    $19.75
501192103237-2    40-44    Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Vehicle Markers    12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin    July    21-Jul-12    28-Jul-12    28-Jul-12    $16.50    $19.75
501192103272-3    49-67    Orikan the Diviner    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    $19.25    $25.00
501192103273-0    49-68    Anrakyr the Traveller    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    $19.25    $25.00
501192103239-6    -    Warhammer 40,000: Gamers' Edition (English)    Rulebook, Dice Set, Satchel    July    23-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    -    $123.75    $149.00
501192103264-8    -    Warhammer 40,000: Collectors' Edition Rulebook (English)    Rulebook    July    23-Jun-12    30-Jun-12    -    $132.00    $158.50
501192103708-7    -    Servitors with Multi-melta    2 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $16.50    $19.75
501192103709-4    -    Servitors with Plasma Cannon    2 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $16.50    $19.75
501192103949-4    -    Broadside Battlesuit Upgrade Pack    10 Piece Pack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $14.75    $17.75
501192103507-6      -    Commander Shadowsun    1 Fig Box    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $40.00    $48.50
501192103509-0    -    Crisis Battlesuit Commander Upgrade Pack    9 Piece Pack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $13.25    $16.00
501192103510-6    -    Tau Empire Pathfinders    3 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $19.75    $23.75
501192103511-3    -    Tau EmpirYe Kroot Hounds    4 Fig Box    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $24.75    $29.75
501192103512-0    -    Tau Empire Pathfinders with Rail Rifles    3 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $19.75    $23.75
501192103513-7    -    Tau Empire Vespid Stingwings    5 Fig Box    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $45.00    $55.00
501192103981-4    -    Tau Empire Krootox    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $24.75    $29.75
501192103583-0    -    Tau Empire Shield Drone Upgrade Pack    8 Piece Set    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $13.25    $16.00
501192103515-1    -    Tau Empire XV15 Stealth Armour    3 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $19.75    $23.75
501192103516-8    -    Aun'Va, Master of the Undying Spirit    3 Fig Box    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $40.00    $48.50
501192103517-5    -    Tau Empire XV15 Shas'Ui    2 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $19.75    $23.75
501192103707-0         Tau Ethereal    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $16.00    $19.75
501192103523-6    -    Ork Meganob with Kombi Shoota-Skorcha    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $22.25    $30.00
501192103524-3    -    Ork Meganob with Kombi Shoota-Rokkit Launcha    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $22.25    $30.00
501192103525-0    -    Ork Kommandos    5 Fig Box    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $45.00    $55.00
501192103526-7    -    Boss Snikrot    1 Fig Box    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $22.25    $30.00
501192103527-4    -    Ork Flash Git with Targeting Squig    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $19.25    $25.00
501192103528-1    -    Ork Big Gun (Zzap Gun)    3 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $29.75    $35.75
501192103980-7    -    Ork Nob with Waaagh! Banner    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $22.25    $30.00
501192103530-4    -    Mad Dok Grotsnik    1 Fi Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $19.25    $25.00
501192103977-7    -    Kaptin Badrukk    1 Fig Box    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $22.25    $30.00
501192103979-1    -    Ork Big Gun (Kannon)    3 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $29.75    $35.75
501192103533-5    -    Thieving Grots    6 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $19.75    $23.75
501192103978-4    -    Ork Big Gun (Lobba)    3 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $29.75    $35.75
501192103535-9    -    Vindicare Assassin with Exitus Rifle    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $16.00    $19.75
501192103536-6    -    Arco-flagellants    3 Fig Clampack
501192103537-3    -    Vindicare Assassin with Exitus Pistol
501192103538-0    -    Callidus Assassin 1
501192103570-0    -    Eversor Assassin with Executioner Pistol
501192103571-7    -    Death Cult Assassins
501192103572-4    -    Jokaero Weaponsmith
501192103573-1    -    Crusaders    2 Fig Clampack
501192103574-8    -    Grey Knights Brother Captain    1 Fig Clampack
501192103575-5    -    Inquisitor with Inferno Pistol & Power Sword
501192103576-2    -    Inquisitor with Power Sword and Bolt Pistol
501192103577-9    -    Grey Knight with Psycannon
501192103578-6    -    Grey Knight Brotherhood Champion
501192103579-3    -    Dark Eldar Razorwing Flock
501192103580-9    -    Dark Eldar Prisoners
501192103581-6    -    Dark Eldar Beastmaster
501192103582-3    -    Dark Eldar Clawed Fiend
501192103569-4    -    Drazhar    1 Fig Clampack

Kroothawk wrote:Edited the list a bit, hope it helps with readability:

30th June

Warhammer 40,000: Rulebook (English): 440pp Hardback Book $74,25 (Retail)
Warhammer 40,000: Gamers' Edition (English): Rulebook, Dice Set, Satchel $123,75 (Mail Order only)
Warhammer 40,000: Collectors' Edition Rulebook (English) $132,00 (Mail Order Only)

Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Templates (3 x Templates) $19,75 (Retail)
Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Tape Measure (Servo Skull Tape Measure) $16,50 (Retail)
Warhammer 40,000: Psychic Powers (English) (32 Cards, Leaflet, Box) $13,25 (Retail)


7th July

Tanglewire TBC $10,00


21st July

Orikan the Diviner (new, 1 Fig Clampack) $19,25
Anrakyr the Traveller (new, 1 Fig Clampack) $19,25

Mail Order Only (Finecast recasts):

Servitors with Multi-melta (2 Fig Clampack) $16,50
Servitors with Plasma Cannon (2 Fig Clampack) $16,50

Broadside Battlesuit Upgrade Pack (10 Piece Pack) $14,75
Commander Shadowsun (1 Fig Box) $40,00
Crisis Battlesuit Commander Upgrade Pack (9 Piece Pack) $13,25
Tau Empire Pathfinders (3 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Tau Empire Kroot Hounds (4 Fig Box) $24,75
Tau Empire Pathfinders with Rail Rifles (3 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Tau Empire Vespid Stingwings (5 Fig Box) $45,00
Tau Empire Krootox (1 Fig Clampack) $24,75
Tau Empire Shield Drone Upgrade Pack (8 Piece Set) $13,25
Tau Empire XV15 Stealth Armour (3 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Aun'Va, Master of the Undying Spirit (3 Fig Box) $40,00
Tau Empire XV15 Shas'Ui (2 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Tau Ethereal (1 Fig Clampack) $16,00

Ork Meganob with Kombi Shoota-Skorcha (1 Fig Clampack) $22,25
Ork Meganob with Kombi Shoota-Rokkit Launcha (1 Fig Clampack) $22,25
Ork Kommandos (5 Fig Box) $45,00
Boss Snikrot (1 Fig Box) $22,25
Ork Flash Git with Targeting Squig (1 Fig Clampack) $19,25
Ork Big Gun (Zzap Gun) (3 Fig Clampack) $29,75
Ork Nob with Waaagh! Banner (1 Fig Clampack) $22,25
Mad Dok Grotsnik (1 Fig Clampack) $19,25
Kaptin Badrukk (1 Fig Box) $22,25
Ork Big Gun (Kannon) (3 Fig Clampack) $29,75
Thieving Grots (6 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Ork Big Gun (Lobba) (3 Fig Clampack) $29,75

Vindicare Assassin with Exitus Rifle (1 Fig Clampack) $16,00


28th July:

Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Dice: 12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin
Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Battlefield Objectives: 12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin
Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Vehicle Markers: 12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin


No Date or price given but probably also 21st July (Finecast recasts):

Arco-flagellants (3 Fig Clampack)
Vindicare Assassin with Exitus Pistol
Callidus Assassin
Eversor Assassin with Executioner Pistol
Death Cult Assassins
Jokaero Weaponsmith
Crusaders (2 Fig Clampack)
Grey Knights Brother Captain
Inquisitor with Inferno Pistol & Power Sword
Inquisitor with Power Sword and Bolt Pistol
Grey Knight with Psycannon
Grey Knight Brotherhood Champion

Dark Eldar Razorwing Flock
Dark Eldar Prisoners
Dark Eldar Beastmaster
Dark Eldar Clawed Fiend
Drazhar

Thank you to Kroothawk for cleaning up my mess. Sorry I am crazy busy at work and iPhones don't like to work when posting.

Collectors edition confirmed. Interesting.

I like numbers.

So its only one model for Orikan, not 1 for normal and1 for empowered? Be such a shame.

psychic cards ... is that gonna be the same as WFB magic cards?

501192103239-6 - Warhammer 40,000: Gamers' Edition (English) Rulebook, Dice Set, Satchel July 23-Jun-12 30-Jun-12 - $123.75 $149.00
501192103264-8 - Warhammer 40,000: Collectors' Edition Rulebook (English) Rulebook July 23-Jun-12 30-Jun-12 - $132.00 $158.50

Because I am having an idiot moment can someone explain the those dates. They are "July" releases but the June dates are preorder. Or are both available on June 30th? I would not mind the gamers edition but wow that price is crazy.

Bums me out that there's only 2 new models being released with 6th, and they're both Necron special characters. I'm sure they'll be as cool as the other Necrons we've got though! I'll probably be down for the special edition 6th edition dealie, I love random GW swag.

Wish some info was released for the
501192103239-6 - Warhammer 40,000: Gamers' Edition (English) Rulebook, Dice Set, Satchel July 23-Jun-12 30-Jun-12 - $123.75 $149.00
501192103264-8 - Warhammer 40,000: Collectors' Edition Rulebook (English) Rulebook July 23-Jun-12 30-Jun-12 - $132.00 $158.50

smUrfsrUs wrote:So its only one model for Orikan, not 1 for normal and1 for empowered? Be such a shame.

Did you read the codex rules for him? It specifically states to use the same model for both versions.

Don't crucify me, but what does clampack mean?

It's a pack of clams, of course.

Bikeninja wrote:501192103239-6 - Warhammer 40,000: Gamers' Edition (English) Rulebook, Dice Set, Satchel July 23-Jun-12 30-Jun-12 - $123.75 $149.00
501192103264-8 - Warhammer 40,000: Collectors' Edition Rulebook (English) Rulebook July 23-Jun-12 30-Jun-12 - $132.00 $158.50

Because I am having an idiot moment can someone explain the those dates. They are "July" releases but the June dates are preorder. Or are both available on June 30th? I would not mind the gamers edition but wow that price is crazy.

There are only 30 days in june so the release date is 1 day before July.

To me it looks like the date formatting is saying "July Orders" "June 23 2012 preorder date" "June 30 2012 release date"

Well it's June but my email I it said July. Meh 30june is almost July.

Clamp pack means fine cast doesn't it? Dammit all.

It seems GW really doesn't want anyone to ever field MANZ. crappy ruleset (should have options and just be SnP termies), and 22 bucks a pop. I'd be better off converting a box of termies =\.


Still, awesome to have prices and dates (and barcodes!!) for all the rumors and whatnot.

He noted it along the top, the July mention is reference to the issue of White Dwarf they are being advertised in.

This post was wrong.

Smolo82 wrote:On Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280795063507

The gamers Edition comes with In the imperial themed tin is egg crate foam with counters, template set and dice.
Take that with a grain of salt.

That's the fifth edition Gamer's Edition.

Necros wrote:It's a pack of clams, of course.

Well played my man, well played.

A ClamPack is the single piece all plasti blisters we get these days, as oppose to the card/plasti blister packs they used to get.

That one was 5th edition.

So, objectives now require dice to keep track of them? Hmm, does this coincide with any rumours of the objective and rules?

What is the difference between "Gamers" Edition and "Collectors" Edition, this is my first time with a new rule set release.

P.s- I am also interested in knowing what;

501192103553-3 64-38 Tanglewire TBC July - 7-Jul-12 7-Jul-12 $10.00 $13.75

is, any ideas?

mjl7atlas wrote:Don't crucify me, but what does clampack mean?

A Clampack is the new Blisterpack GW uses.

With the release of the last 2 characters from the Necron Codex (Orikan and Anrakyr) everything listed in the codex will now be available for purchace. Is this the first time this has happened for a codex/army book within a year of that book's release date? I know there are other books that have all of their stuff available but I believe the new Necron codex got theirs in the shortest amount of time (9 months & 9 days) to date. Hopefully it's a trend that will continue.

Gamers edition usually is the regular rulebook with extra goodies like dice.. collectors edition will prolly be a cooler looking uber rulebook like they did with Fantasy

It is he first ans the model for new codex roll outs in the future by all accounts.

lol, Ork Meganobz $30 each... hahahahahahaha, even less of a reason to use them.

notprop wrote:It is he first ans the model for new codex roll outs in the future by all accounts.

What does the rulebook being hardcover have to do with the codices?

The rulebooks have been hardcover for two editions now.

Can you screenshot the excel instead of C&P? The formatting stinks.

@Necros: like how? Sorry for being Warhammer illiterate but what does "more fancy" mean?

Necros wrote:Gamers edition usually is the regular rulebook with extra goodies like dice.. collectors edition will prolly be a cooler looking uber rulebook like they did with Fantasy

I am pretty hardcore, but I can't do $132 for just the Collector's Rulebook. Man.

I probably will go for the gamer's edition though.

leohart wrote:@Necros: like how? Sorry for being Warhammer illiterate but what does "more fancy" mean?

The Gamer's Edition Rulebook for Warhammer included the standard rulebook, a fancypants pouch (which was relatively well-made, imo) which was loaded up with some fun stuff.

Notably: The Counters and Template sets.

If I had to hazard a guess:
We'll see the same thing going on for the Gamer's Edition here, with some kind of fancy carrying pouch and template/counter sets.

Edit because Necros reminded me I was wrong.

Ohh, the Collector's is the one that had the cool box and templates? Maybe I will go for that.

Synister_Intent wrote:What is the difference between "Gamers" Edition and "Collectors" Edition, this is my first time with a new rule set release.

P.s- I am also interested in knowing what;

501192103553-3 64-38 Tanglewire TBC July - 7-Jul-12 7-Jul-12 $10.00 $13.75

is, any ideas?

New barbed wire.

Brother SRM wrote:

Synister_Intent wrote:What is the difference between "Gamers" Edition and "Collectors" Edition, this is my first time with a new rule set release.

P.s- I am also interested in knowing what;

501192103553-3 64-38 Tanglewire TBC July - 7-Jul-12 7-Jul-12 $10.00 $13.75

is, any ideas?

New barbed wire.

That's...kinda interesting.

"Tanglewire" is supposedly something of Eldar design.

When they did the new version of fantasy the collectors rulebook was the same content as the regular rulebook but it was on tick fancy paper and the cover was different.

search google images for "warhammer collectors rulebook" and you'll see

They also made it so limited that really the only way to get it was to order it from GW the day it was announced, so I missed out.

If they do the same for 40K, this is prolly what I'll get for leaving on the shelf, and I'll get a mini rulebook from the starter set later on for gaming.

I'm hoping they also start doing future codexes in full color hardback too, like fantasy. My wallet won't like it, but still...

So what's the info on the Dark Eldar releases?

A Drazhar I'm dying to see what he looks like.
And are the monster packs sets of 3 or 5 or something?

Necros wrote:When they did the new version of fantasy the collectors rulebook was the same content as the regular rulebook but it was on tick fancy paper and the cover was different.

search google images for "warhammer collectors rulebook" and you'll see

They also made it so limited that really the only way to get it was to order it from GW the day it was announced, so I missed out.

If they do the same for 40K, this is prolly what I'll get for leaving on the shelf, and I'll get a mini rulebook from the starter set later on for gaming.

I'm hoping they also start doing future codexes in full color hardback too, like fantasy. My wallet won't like it, but still...

I forgot about that!

I don't know why, but I confused the Gamers Edition with it.

cgage00 wrote:
501192103523-6    -    Ork Meganob with Kombi Shoota-Skorcha    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $22.25    $30.00
501192103524-3    -    Ork Meganob with Kombi Shoota-Rokkit Launcha    1 Fig Clampack    July    14-Jul-12    21-Jul-12    -    $22.25    $30.00

This upsets me more then anything. The thought that they are not making a Plastic kit when these are so out dated, then that price. I didn't want to pay $20.00 for a metal one, they expect me to pay $22.25 for a resin one. Oh GW you make me laug

NM ninjaed

Nvs wrote:So what's the info on the Dark Eldar releases?

A Drazhar I'm dying to see what he looks like.
And are the monster packs sets of 3 or 5 or something?

Don't get too excited. From how it looks, they're going to be Finecast ports of the current metals.

Kan! Stop messing with my emotions...

I want the one with the cool box. I just e-mailed the store with my preorder to change to that one. Hoping Gamers Edition is the right one.

pretre wrote:Kan! Stop messing with my emotions...

I want the one with the cool box. I just e-mailed the store with my preorder to change to that one. Hoping Gamers Edition is the right one.

Like Necros said the Gamer's Edition came with a carrying case, templates, some faux bone dice, and counters.

The Collector's Edition was just a big box with the rulebook in faux leather and binding.

Synister_Intent wrote:What is the difference between "Gamers" Edition and "Collectors" Edition, this is my first time with a new rule set release.

The Gamers Edition has the Rulebook, a Dice Set, and a Satchel to carry them in. You can also probably fit your codex, army list(s), templates and markers in it as well. The Collectors Edition is just a really fancy version of the rulebook. It could be a limited printing run with each copy numbered.

Synister_Intent wrote:P.s- I am also interested in knowing what;

501192103553-3 64-38 Tanglewire TBC July - 7-Jul-12 7-Jul-12 $10.00 $13.75

is, any ideas?

Sounds like miniature barbed wire you can use on terrain pieces for your games and for dioramas to me. It's probably made from brass or some other material that will cut up your fingers if you're not careful with it.

Kanluwen wrote:

Nvs wrote:So what's the info on the Dark Eldar releases?

A Drazhar I'm dying to see what he looks like.
And are the monster packs sets of 3 or 5 or something?

Don't get too excited. From how it looks, they're going to be Finecast ports of the current metals.

I honestly hope they aren't giving us the current Drazhar and calling it a day. I was hoping for a new model... The beasts I thought were already fine cast, but if not, my bad.

cant wait

Hmm, Gamers edition for me again. On a side note, Thieving Grots, which ones where they again, Badrukks Pirate ones?

We might need to put this in an easier to read format...

Kanluwen wrote:

notprop wrote:It is he first ans the model for new codex roll outs in the future by all accounts.

What does the rulebook being hardcover have to do with the codices?

The rulebooks have been hardcover for two editions now.

There have been hardback rulebooks for 40k since Rogue Trader, but my comment was aimed at Zanthras and his point regarding a full range of models for a codex in 9 months.

I was planning on pre-ordering the 6th ed rulebook... but 90 Canadian dollars? Might just get my friend in the States to get me a copy and ship it up...

No single frame plastic characters as part of the release. Boo! They're about the only thing that sparks my interest these days.

Nvs wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Nvs wrote:So what's the info on the Dark Eldar releases?

A Drazhar I'm dying to see what he looks like.
And are the monster packs sets of 3 or 5 or something?

Don't get too excited. From how it looks, they're going to be Finecast ports of the current metals.

I honestly hope they aren't giving us the current Drazhar and calling it a day. I was hoping for a new model... The beasts I thought were already fine cast, but if not, my bad.

Odds are, like anybody who wanted an new Ragnar or a new Dante, you're going to be disappointed.

When was the last time you saw a new sculpt for an old model? @English Assassin: Thumb up to you for speaking the truth.

Games Workshop Strategy 2012

FINECAST ALL THE THINGS

leohart wrote:When was the last time you saw a new sculpt for an old model?

Umm, let's see. Urien? There's one just off the top of my head.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:
This upsets me more then anything. The thought that they are not making a Plastic kit when these are so out dated, then that price. I didn't want to pay $20.00 for a metal one, they expect me to pay $22.25 for a resin one. Oh GW you make me laug

Considering the Hive Tyrant was only in Finecast for a couple months before a plastic one was released, we might see plastic ones before too long.

Flashman wrote:No single frame plastic characters as part of the release. Boo! They're about the only thing that sparks my interest these days.

I don't know why there haven't been any yet for 40k. The Fantasy ones are awesome, and if there were similar 40k ones I'd buy them in a heartbeat.

Kanluwen wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Synister_Intent wrote:What is the difference between "Gamers" Edition and "Collectors" Edition, this is my first time with a new rule set release.

P.s- I am also interested in knowing what;

501192103553-3 64-38 Tanglewire TBC July - 7-Jul-12 7-Jul-12 $10.00 $13.75

is, any ideas?

New barbed wire.

That's...kinda interesting.

"Tanglewire" is supposedly something of Eldar design.

Clearly the "buy terrain for points" concept of the pancake edition survived and is in the final rules. So Eldar players need to get some tanglewire to purchase for their terrain options!

I also wonder why they haven't done them for 40k. I don't play fantasy at all, but aren't their HQs just as customizable as the 40k HQ's are? It's not like the fantasy ones portray special characters either.

If they made a plastic drazhar with an extra arm and helm to make it into an incubi I'd buy 20 of them right off the bat. Absolutely refuse to buy finecast incubi because of how terrible the swords turn out.

Any idea when the releases at the bottom are going to come out, I want to pick some up before they are finecasted.

Yay! Non-metal Meganobz!

$30 a model !?

%$&*$%##$*%#*##%%&*(@@#

Anyone else notice that Commander Shadowsun is making a 15$ price jump?... yeesh... Get her now while she is $25 !

No Chaos releases? I'm disappointed.

The second column is Canadian prices. The Meganobz are $22.25. Still a jump but not as much. Still hoping for some plastic Meganobzs someday.

Complete Barcode Short Sales Code Product Name Contents WD Promotion Advance Order D Release R/T Release USD CAD
978190796479-4 40-02-60 Warhammer 40,000: Rulebook (English) 440pp Hardback Book July 23-Jun-12 30-Jun-12 30-Jun-12 $74.25 $90.00


Screw you, GW. The conversion rate is currently 98 cents on the dollar, you Canada-hating jerks.

GW has never paid attention to currency conversion. If they did, American prices would be a hell of a lot higher.

As for this price list, the nail is in the coffin. You're either okay with paying these prices, or you're not. There's no grey area, like "Well, I'll pay the price for one or two character models, because the high quality is worth it."

Gotta figure out what I'm going to do for Kroot Hounds and Krootoxen. Sigh.

MetalOxide wrote:No Chaos releases? I'm disappointed.

Chaos is begin to shrink.

I am happy for the tau models...

Broadside upgrade: kind of cool
Tau commander upgrade: kind of cool.

Shadowsun $40? For a terrible unit?
Hmmm...um...well, I would think they might give her a big upgrade in the next dex...but then I remember what happened to my CTAN...

XV15 suits....very interesting. I wonder if they are going to be in the next codex?

leohart wrote:When was the last time you saw a new sculpt for an old model? @English Assassin: Thumb up to you for speaking the truth.

Games Workshop Strategy 2012

FINECAST ALL THE THINGS

Lemartes.

Saturday cannot come quick enough.

Saturday will be an interesting day.

Some of these prices are ridiculous. 45$ for the Ork Commandos. Who in their right mind would pay that. Not Me.

sennacherib wrote:Some of these prices are ridiculous. 45$ for the Ork Commandos. Who in their right mind would pay that. Not Me.

At that point you might as well get a box of boyz and the Forgeworld Kommando conversion kit.

TBD wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:No Chaos releases? I'm disappointed.

Chaos is begin to shrink.

Actually the Imperium should be technically shrinking.

sennacherib wrote:Some of these prices are ridiculous. 45$ for the Ork Commandos. Who in their right mind would pay that. Not Me.

They're $37.25 right now.

It's also kind of interesting that the Kommandos with Burna/Big Shoota(which are $15 USD each) aren't listed on this as they're metals which need to be Finecasted as well.

Might be they've rolled them into the box.

sennacherib wrote:Some of these prices are ridiculous. 45$ for the Ork Commandos. Who in their right mind would pay that. Not Me.

I know they are greedy.

Wonder if tanglewire will be the old barbed wire packs or did they whip up something new?

sennacherib wrote:Some of these prices are ridiculous. 45$ for the Ork Commandos. Who in their right mind would pay that. Not Me.

FW do a conversion kit wihich added to the price of ten boyze makes it cheaper to get that, so getting 10 Kommandos than getting 5 of the finecast ones!!!

Is this the list for new finecast or rerelease of old metals?

Could the lack of chaos in this list be indicative of an imminent arrival?

davethepak wrote:I am happy for the tau models...

Broadside upgrade: kind of cool
Tau commander upgrade: kind of cool.

Shadowsun $40? For a terrible unit?
Hmmm...um...well, I would think they might give her a big upgrade in the next dex...but then I remember what happened to my CTAN...

XV15 suits....very interesting. I wonder if they are going to be in the next codex?

It all sounds great...except that it most likely means we're not getting an update anytime soon (Q1 2013 was the most recent rumor)...

mjl7atlas wrote:Could the lack of chaos in this list be indicative of an imminent arrival?

Hopefully otherwise I will be really disappointed after all the rumours.

Yes! Tau stuff!

Finally I can have some Pathfinders And is that a resin kit for the broadsides? <3

Brother SRM wrote:

sennacherib wrote:Some of these prices are ridiculous. 45$ for the Ork Commandos. Who in their right mind would pay that. Not Me.

At that point you might as well get a box of boyz and the Forgeworld Kommando conversion kit.

Of course in the UK the forgeworld razorback is now 0.50p cheaper than the GW one How does that work???

Lovepug13 wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

sennacherib wrote:Some of these prices are ridiculous. 45$ for the Ork Commandos. Who in their right mind would pay that. Not Me.

At that point you might as well get a box of boyz and the Forgeworld Kommando conversion kit.

Of course in the UK the forgeworld razorback is now 0.50p cheaper than the GW one How does that work???

Don't forget that you have to pay for shipping so overall it will work out as slightly more expensive than the GW one.

mjl7atlas wrote:Could the lack of chaos in this list be indicative of an imminent arrival?

Almost certainly as there's alot of chaos that desperately needs updating the only reason I can think that we haven't seen anything recently is because its now within the codex embargo period. GW almost never release products (or even do finecast updates) for an army in the 12 months before a codex release as they like to take optimal advantage of the combined advertising.

On the other hand the release of Tau stuff probably means there won't be a new Tau codex before the end of next year or even until 2014.

Incidently, have the Necrons now got every unit in their codex?

(edited for clarification - and lost track of which year it is)

Here's an actual spreadsheet of the data for those who want a clearer view.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Here's an actual spreadsheet of the data for those who want a clearer view.

Thanks Son 0f Dorn!

No problem. Tried to embed it for an hour, but DakkaDakka uses code that's incompatible :( Hope the file is good enough for everyone

I really like the Kroot Hound/Krootox models, but I think I'd rather burn my money for warmth than pay that much for them.

I want Tau releases as much as any Tau player, but not Finecast price increases. I think the guy that comes up with these prices must wake up laughing.

And for the excel impaired:

"Kaptin Badrukk 1 Fig Box"

Box?

And Finecost MANZ and Broadside kits. Does not bode well for those Ork rumours.

Didn't a bunch of Tyranid stuff get finecast right before plastic?

The Hive Tyrant got turned into Finecost during the initial Finecost wave, long before the plastic one came out.

Still, indicative of Finecast not being a problem for being converted to plastic.

H.B.M.C. wrote:"Kaptin Badrukk 1 Fig Box"

Box?

And Finecost MANZ and Broadside kits. Does not bode well for those Ork rumours.

Probably just a typo on it being a box.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Hive Tyrant got turned into Finecast during the initial Finecast wave, long before the plastic one came out.

There was under a year between the resin and plastic releases though, correct? It's not the first time that's happened. The metal Chaos Terminator Lord and atrocious Chaos Possessed came out under a year before plastic kits were available.

TBD wrote:

MetalOxide wrote:No Chaos releases? I'm disappointed.

Chaos is begin to shrink.

Or not. This actually makes perfect sense if CSM is next in line for a codex and release. You don't start dropping single models bit by bit in the months before, you hold it for the full launch (rumored to be in the September/october slot).

We didn't see new Archons and Raiders released singly in the months before the new DE codex, did we?

Brother SRM wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:"Kaptin Badrukk 1 Fig Box"

Box?

And Finecost MANZ and Broadside kits. Does not bode well for those Ork rumours.

Probably just a typo on it being a box.

That's my thought on it. There are a few typos. The ones that jumped out at me were:

Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Battlefield Objectives and Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Vehicle Markers both have "12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin" as their description, when that obviously doesn't apply and is just a copy/paste of the Dice entry immediately above it.

I will clean up the formatting when I get home. I posted from my phone.

cgage00 wrote:I will clean up the formatting when I get home. I posted from my phone.

Save some time and just link my pic in the original.

cgage00 wrote:I will clean up the formatting when I get home. I posted from my phone.

Thanks for the information, man. I certainly wasn't knocking your effort.

leohart wrote:When was the last time you saw a new sculpt for an old model?

they put Njal Stormcaller in Terminator armour, there are SEVERAL versions of Marneus Calgar, they had plasticized the Daemon Prince, as well as the Wraith lord. then the striking scorpions and dark reapers got new looks when it was their turn in the spotlight. those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head.

i wish that the Chaos marines would get their spotlight time soon.

I'm intrigued by the vehicle markers. Wonder what that's all about...

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:I'm intrigued by the vehicle markers. Wonder what that's all about...

Weapon destroyed, stunned, shaken, etc.

I'm just hoping a modified chart will go along with that...

I think it's reasonable to assume that the "Tanglewire" will be the end result of the rumour about being able ot purchase terrain. It doesn't make sense to be able to pay points for mountains or cover, but it makes perfect sense to be for an army to be able to pay points in order to lay down some barbed wire / "tanglewire".

And the ability to do so makes be question how powerful CC might be in 6th, if there is the potential to need to buy terrain in order to hinder a charge, perhaps to even it out a little?




also:

Tau Empire Vespid Stingwings 5 Fig Box $55.00

They're more expensive than terminators...

I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

Checks list of must haves... checks kickstarter contributions... checks credit card... hopes nothing else cool happens for a while or I will get the .

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

That's what I'm thinkin ... I still have a pack of it that I never even opened

So you still can't get mega armored nobz without combi weapons?

Don't really understand why people are all excited about the gamer edition. I, for one, have all the dice and templates I could possibly need. No its the mini rulebook or possibly the ebook if it is surely useful enough to warrant the price.

Then again, grabbing a couple of collectors editions to toss on eBay might not be a bad idea.

Necros wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

That's what I'm thinkin ... I still have a pack of it that I never even opened

I don't think it's the razorwire; simply because the razorwire is still available.

pretre wrote:Kan! Stop messing with my emotions...

I want the one with the cool box. I just e-mailed the store with my preorder to change to that one. Hoping Gamers Edition is the right one.

I bought the 5th collectors edition - the pages were edged in silver, nice thick pages, a leather self closing flap so it would not open on its own, a huge purity seal on the front, a built in book marker, and is numbered x/2500 (I think it's 2500 not home to look). It did not have extras... But is a really nice book.

Is the backpack the same one as in 5th edition or a different one?

But GW can't trademark the word "razorwire".

Kanluwen wrote:

Necros wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

That's what I'm thinkin ... I still have a pack of it that I never even opened

I don't think it's the razorwire; simply because the razorwire is still available.

Where? Where? Where? Where? WHERE?

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

With the requisite 30% price increase, of course.

And yeah, rather than Razorwire it will be Citadel™ Tanglewire™.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

With the requisite 30% price increase, of course.

And yeah, rather than Razorwire it will be Citadel™ Tanglewire™.

Should've seen it coming, but no, I thought, NO, dared to hope otherwise. Alas, such a fool I am.

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Necros wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

That's what I'm thinkin ... I still have a pack of it that I never even opened

I don't think it's the razorwire; simply because the razorwire is still available.

Where? Where? Where? Where? WHERE?

Here.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Necros wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

That's what I'm thinkin ... I still have a pack of it that I never even opened

I don't think it's the razorwire; simply because the razorwire is still available.

Where? Where? Where? Where? WHERE?

Here.

HAHAHA, you tease, it sends me to the front page. That means it is a US only offer and seeing as I am not American I am not allowed to have it.

Hmm... Repacked "razor wire" hint towards the rumor that you can spend points for terrain.

Hmm, is it me or the Crusader pack is cheaper than currently. Currently it is $10 for 1 while now it is $16.50 for two.

GW actually lower price. WOW.

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Necros wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

That's what I'm thinkin ... I still have a pack of it that I never even opened

I don't think it's the razorwire; simply because the razorwire is still available.

Where? Where? Where? Where? WHERE?

Here.

HAHAHA, you tease, it sends me to the front page. That means it is a US only offer and seeing as I am not American I am not allowed to have it.

Interesting.


I guess the Dutch aren't allowed to have shiny things?

I really hope you cannot buy terrain with points.

Edited the list a bit, hope it helps with readability:

30th June

Warhammer 40,000: Rulebook (English): 440pp Hardback Book $74,25 (Retail)
Warhammer 40,000: Gamers' Edition (English): Rulebook, Dice Set, Satchel $123,75 (Mail Order only)
Warhammer 40,000: Collectors' Edition Rulebook (English) $132,00 (Mail Order Only)

Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Templates (3 x Templates) $19,75 (Retail)
Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Tape Measure (Servo Skull Tape Measure) $16,50 (Retail)
Warhammer 40,000: Psychic Powers (English) (32 Cards, Leaflet, Box) $13,25 (Retail)


7th July

Tanglewire TBC $10,00


21st July

Orikan the Diviner (new, 1 Fig Clampack) $19,25
Anrakyr the Traveller (new, 1 Fig Clampack) $19,25

Mail Order Only (Finecast recasts):

Servitors with Multi-melta (2 Fig Clampack) $16,50
Servitors with Plasma Cannon (2 Fig Clampack) $16,50

Broadside Battlesuit Upgrade Pack (10 Piece Pack) $14,75
Commander Shadowsun (1 Fig Box) $40,00
Crisis Battlesuit Commander Upgrade Pack (9 Piece Pack) $13,25
Tau Empire Pathfinders (3 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Tau Empire Kroot Hounds (4 Fig Box) $24,75
Tau Empire Pathfinders with Rail Rifles (3 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Tau Empire Vespid Stingwings (5 Fig Box) $45,00
Tau Empire Krootox (1 Fig Clampack) $24,75
Tau Empire Shield Drone Upgrade Pack (8 Piece Set) $13,25
Tau Empire XV15 Stealth Armour (3 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Aun'Va, Master of the Undying Spirit (3 Fig Box) $40,00
Tau Empire XV15 Shas'Ui (2 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Tau Ethereal (1 Fig Clampack) $16,00

Ork Meganob with Kombi Shoota-Skorcha (1 Fig Clampack) $22,25
Ork Meganob with Kombi Shoota-Rokkit Launcha (1 Fig Clampack) $22,25
Ork Kommandos (5 Fig Box) $45,00
Boss Snikrot (1 Fig Box) $22,25
Ork Flash Git with Targeting Squig (1 Fig Clampack) $19,25
Ork Big Gun (Zzap Gun) (3 Fig Clampack) $29,75
Ork Nob with Waaagh! Banner (1 Fig Clampack) $22,25
Mad Dok Grotsnik (1 Fig Clampack) $19,25
Kaptin Badrukk (1 Fig Box) $22,25
Ork Big Gun (Kannon) (3 Fig Clampack) $29,75
Thieving Grots (6 Fig Clampack) $19,75
Ork Big Gun (Lobba) (3 Fig Clampack) $29,75

Vindicare Assassin with Exitus Rifle (1 Fig Clampack) $16,00


28th July:

Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Dice: 12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin $16.50
Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Battlefield Objectives: 12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin $16.50
Warhammer 40,000 Munitorum Vehicle Markers: 12 Dice, 6 Dice Holders, Tin $16.50


No Date or price given but probably also 21st July (Finecast recasts):

Arco-flagellants (3 Fig Clampack)
Vindicare Assassin with Exitus Pistol
Callidus Assassin
Eversor Assassin with Executioner Pistol
Death Cult Assassins
Jokaero Weaponsmith
Crusaders (2 Fig Clampack)
Grey Knights Brother Captain
Inquisitor with Inferno Pistol & Power Sword
Inquisitor with Power Sword and Bolt Pistol
Grey Knight with Psycannon
Grey Knight Brotherhood Champion

Dark Eldar Razorwing Flock
Dark Eldar Prisoners
Dark Eldar Beastmaster
Dark Eldar Clawed Fiend
Drazhar

Kroothawk to the rescue. Thanks.

WOOOO ASSASSINS

I love the fact that GW justifies terrible rules with "The rules are just to sell the miniatures" and then charge twice as much for their rulebook as any other game company.(Heck, most companies have theirs for free download.)

You'd think that if they were truly interested in selling miniatures they'd be following a disposable razors strategy.

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Necros wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

That's what I'm thinkin ... I still have a pack of it that I never even opened

I don't think it's the razorwire; simply because the razorwire is still available.

Where? Where? Where? Where? WHERE?

Here.

HAHAHA, you tease, it sends me to the front page. That means it is a US only offer and seeing as I am not American I am not allowed to have it.

Huh, it does seem to be only on the US site. Odd. It's under painting- modelling supplies.

Can you buy allied terrain?

*ducks*

I have a digestion pool that wants to make friends with Grey Knights

trephines wrote:WOOOO ASSASSINS

You know you can buy Assassins right now, free of Finecost defects and for less money than they will cost come July, right?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

trephines wrote:WOOOO ASSASSINS

You know you can buy Assassins right now, free of Finecost defects and for less money than they will cost come July, right?

Well, some of us actually prefer resin over metal - even finecast.
Defects? I'll just keep complaining until I get a model that's okay. It's far from perfect, but I tend to hate metal models a lot more.

Wait what? They are making finecasts of XV15s when they don't actually exist anymore in the current codex? I don't see them doing this unless they had some plans for using them in the future. Also weird that the XV15 Shas'ui has two models in it. I honestly see these models being renamed the new FireWarrior unit heavy model with a burst cannon.

Shadowsun, one of the more useless SC, getting a price hike to make her even more useless. And the same for ethereals as well as making vespids cost more than terminators. GW will have to do something rather drastic to make these models worth buying if they even wanna make up lost profits for finecasting them.

And I don't know how I feel about the upgrade kits for suits. From the amount of parts included in the broadside kit it would only make one broadside. This means the Crisis suit kit plus this upgrade would come out to 39.50, almost $5 more than the current broadside kit (Not bad actually for finecast increase). Commander on the other hand ends up about $9 more, which is a lot. Not to mention it has nine pieces in it, which is more than the current pewter pieces on the commander now (I think six in the current). Unless I'm missing something here, there seems to be something new hiding in that kit. I also feel there is something more to the broadside kit too, the current kit has ten pieces as well but why would they not make the SMS arms one solid piece? If they re-casted these logically then there may be two extra pieces in the broadside kit as well.

Upgrade kits for suits also means that it seems that they wont be changing the current suit design at all.

And finally, after 13 years, we are getting some way to make shield drones.

Dantalian wrote:Wait what? They are making finecasts of XV15s when they don't actually exist anymore in the current codex?

A Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit. Doesn't matter what pattern it is really.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Wait what? They are making finecasts of XV15s when they don't actually exist anymore in the current codex?

A Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit. Doesn't matter what pattern it is really.

I think the point I'm more or less trying to get across here is that the old suits were replaced with these new sculpts. Why would they redo the older XV15 in finecast unless they had a plan for them. Or does GW just realize people liked the old models better than the new sculpt.
I just feel something is off here. Sure the XV15 is still listed and playable, but the XV15s have been out of stores for a long time now and only sold on the website. So I guess I made the error of assuming that since it is getting a finecast release, it would be going BACK into stores. If it actually goes back into the store, then I would question it more. But I think it will go back in stores, since I don't seem them finecasting something and only selling it on their website.


*failed at making my thoughts clear.

Anyone heard anything regarding digital releases for July? An iBook 6th Edition version, the next codex or codices, anything?

I imagine those are harder to leak, since less people are involved in sending a digital file to apple.

Dantalian wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Wait what? They are making finecasts of XV15s when they don't actually exist anymore in the current codex?

A Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit. Doesn't matter what pattern it is really.

I think the point I'm more or less trying to get across here is that the old suits were replaced with these new sculpts. Why would they redo the older XV15 in finecast unless they had a plan for them. Or does GW just realize people liked the old models better than the new sculpt.
I just feel something is off here. Sure the XV15 is still listed and playable, but the XV15s have been out of stores for a long time now and only sold on the website. So I guess I made the error of assuming that since it is getting a finecast release, it would be going BACK into stores. If it actually goes back into the store, then I would question it more. But I think it will go back in stores, since I don't seem them finecasting something and only selling it on their website.
*failed at making my thoughts clear.

You're attaching too much significance to a non-issue.

The XV15s were kept in production because they either didn't sell well or didn't really do enough in terms of them being sold.

Kanluwen wrote:
You're attaching too much significance to a non-issue.

The XV15s were kept in production because they either didn't sell well or didn't really do enough in terms of them being sold.

So your saying they recasted them and continued producing them because they didn't sell well. Makes sense they would invest a very large amount of money into something like resin molds for a product that will not return their investment. Especially when there is a cheaper plastic alternative already present.

Dantalian wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
You're attaching too much significance to a non-issue.

The XV15s were kept in production because they either didn't sell well or didn't really do enough in terms of them being sold.

So your saying they recasted them and continued producing them because they didn't sell well. Makes sense they would invest a very large amount of money into something like resin molds for a product that will not return their investment. Especially when there is a cheaper plastic alternative already present.

Considering by all reports, they're essentially "reusing" the same masters/molding tech--they're not investing that much into it.

The fact that there is a plastic alternative is, again, a non-issue.

Scouseboy wrote:Anyone heard anything regarding digital releases for July? An iBook 6th Edition version, the next codex or codices, anything?

LOL I had to laugh. Asking for a digital version to play a physical game. So why not just play the computer game? It's digital. This way you have digital minitures with digital paint. Sorry just needed to say it, didn't mean to pick on you. Just tired how so many people say digital is so much better. If it is, why are we still playing with physical minis and paint then?

Just saying. Sorry didn't mean to pick on you.

Kanluwen wrote:
Considering by all reports, they're essentially "reusing" the same masters/molding tech--they're not investing that much into it.

The fact that there is a plastic alternative is, again, a non-issue.

That's news to me that they are reusing the metal molds, then there is a lot less money being put into it. I just see GW more likely dropping the XV15 model all together rather than doing resin casts. Especially when they aren't sold in stores.

Does anyone else find the BRB price bordering on ridiculous? I mean, I knew it was coming, I knew it was going to be around that level, but sitting down and reading it still took me by surprise.

theHandofGork wrote:Does anyone else find the BRB price bordering on ridiculous? I mean, I knew it was coming, I knew it was going to be around that level, but sitting down and reading it still took me by surprise.

Nope.

theHandofGork wrote:Does anyone else find the BRB price bordering on ridiculous? I mean, I knew it was coming, I knew it was going to be around that level, but sitting down and reading it still took me by surprise.

For a 440 page hardcover and full color book? I've made the "college textbook" argument in other threads and I think it's pretty dead on. You're gonna be using it for 4 years at least, something that averages out to be about $18.75 a year isn't too bad at all. Buy from Warstore and it's only $60.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Necros wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to laugh and cry when that tangle wire is nothing more than repackaged razor wire from their Cities of Death era.

That's what I'm thinkin ... I still have a pack of it that I never even opened

I don't think it's the razorwire; simply because the razorwire is still available.

Where? Where? Where? Where? WHERE?

Here.

HAHAHA, you tease, it sends me to the front page. That means it is a US only offer and seeing as I am not American I am not allowed to have it.

Huh, it does seem to be only on the US site. Odd. It's under painting- modelling supplies.

Works on the NZ site, I guess we are to small to count though

Brother SRM wrote:

theHandofGork wrote:Does anyone else find the BRB price bordering on ridiculous? I mean, I knew it was coming, I knew it was going to be around that level, but sitting down and reading it still took me by surprise.

For a 440 page hardcover and full color book? I've made the "college textbook" argument in other threads and I think it's pretty dead on. You're gonna be using it for 4 years at least, something that averages out to be about $18.75 a year isn't too bad at all. Buy from Warstore and it's only $60.

Again, as mentioned a few posts back: this hobby is not cheap, crap or get off the pot (find something else to do with your time). I dont find the books price really much of anything, a new small version will be flooded here shortly with the boxset, plus its the cost of many individual units I use now in the myriad armies I run.

I wonder if GW will ever do a full catalog ever again. I loved the 2006-2007 one but have the 2009 & 2010 too…. Be nice to see another….

lazarian wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

theHandofGork wrote:Does anyone else find the BRB price bordering on ridiculous? I mean, I knew it was coming, I knew it was going to be around that level, but sitting down and reading it still took me by surprise.

For a 440 page hardcover and full color book? I've made the "college textbook" argument in other threads and I think it's pretty dead on. You're gonna be using it for 4 years at least, something that averages out to be about $18.75 a year isn't too bad at all. Buy from Warstore and it's only $60.

Again, as mentioned a few posts back: this hobby is not cheap, crap or get off the pot (find something else to do with your time). I dont find the books price really much of anything, a new small version will be flooded here shortly with the boxset, plus its the cost of many individual units I use now in the myriad armies I run.

And, as always mentioned, how about you take a look at the rest of the hobby, and not just GW?

For example, Flames of War. Not only did I get a a free mini rulebook that was full color and had all of its pages match up with the main rulebook (which GW's mini books don't), when I bought the main rulebook for $60, I actually got 3 books - a full color, 300 page hardback rulebook that is completely filled with rules, a 100 page 'Forces' books with army lists for Germany, Britain, the US, and the USSR, and a 40 page booklet detailing how to paint infantry/tanks, how to make terrain, set up tables, and find other ways to enjoy the wargaming hobby.

So, yeah. $75 for a massive book that boils down to 100 or pages of rules and the rest is non-essential fluff. That's overpriced.

And, again, why do people keep bringing up the red herring argument of comparing GW items to non-wargaming items? You're comparing apples to oranges. Trying to use college books to justify the pricing of GW's rulebooks is just silly.

Davor wrote:LOL I had to laugh. Asking for a digital version to play a physical game. So why not just play the computer game? It's digital. This way you have digital minitures with digital paint. Sorry just needed to say it, didn't mean to pick on you. Just tired how so many people say digital is so much better. If it is, why are we still playing with physical minis and paint then?

What planet are you from???

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Davor wrote:LOL I had to laugh. Asking for a digital version to play a physical game. So why not just play the computer game? It's digital. This way you have digital minitures with digital paint. Sorry just needed to say it, didn't mean to pick on you. Just tired how so many people say digital is so much better. If it is, why are we still playing with physical minis and paint then?

What planet are you from???

My god. It's like someone trying to argue that evolution can't be real because there are still monkeys around.

infinite_array wrote:

lazarian wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

theHandofGork wrote:Does anyone else find the BRB price bordering on ridiculous? I mean, I knew it was coming, I knew it was going to be around that level, but sitting down and reading it still took me by surprise.

For a 440 page hardcover and full color book? I've made the "college textbook" argument in other threads and I think it's pretty dead on. You're gonna be using it for 4 years at least, something that averages out to be about $18.75 a year isn't too bad at all. Buy from Warstore and it's only $60.

Again, as mentioned a few posts back: this hobby is not cheap, crap or get off the pot (find something else to do with your time). I dont find the books price really much of anything, a new small version will be flooded here shortly with the boxset, plus its the cost of many individual units I use now in the myriad armies I run.

And, as always mentioned, how about you take a look at the rest of the hobby, and not just GW?

For example, Flames of War. Not only did I get a a free mini rulebook that was full color and had all of its pages match up with the main rulebook (which GW's mini books don't), when I bought the main rulebook for $60, I actually got 3 books - a full color, 300 page hardback rulebook that is completely filled with rules, a 100 page 'Forces' books with army lists for Germany, Britain, the US, and the USSR, and a 40 page booklet detailing how to paint infantry/tanks, how to make terrain, set up tables, and find other ways to enjoy the wargaming hobby.

So, yeah. $75 for a massive book that boils down to 100 or pages of rules and the rest is non-essential fluff. That's overpriced.

And, again, why do people keep bringing up the red herring argument of comparing GW items to non-wargaming items? You're comparing apples to oranges. Trying to use college books to justify the pricing of GW's rulebooks is just silly.

Im not comparing this to anything, I choose to play this hobby and the cost is not prohibitive to me. My comment in no way mentioned, or implied to mention, anything else. Its not to expensive for me and until such time I can no longer derive enjoyment from it this will continue. I will agree that other miniature hobbies have aspects which are cheaper, however I feel that GW are the selection of games I enjoy the most, thus its worth the cost.

Again crap or get off the pot to things you will actually enjoy enough to not complain on a hobby site.

infinite_array wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Davor wrote:LOL I had to laugh. Asking for a digital version to play a physical game. So why not just play the computer game? It's digital. This way you have digital minitures with digital paint. Sorry just needed to say it, didn't mean to pick on you. Just tired how so many people say digital is so much better. If it is, why are we still playing with physical minis and paint then?

What planet are you from???

My god. It's like someone trying to argue that evolution can't be real because there are still monkeys around.

I know right? It's like he thinks an IPad would be harder to carry around than a 800pg Rule Book.

I mean... is he aware of GW’s own digital products (as needlessly obstructive as they may be, they still exist).

- Edited by insaniak. DakkaDakka does not and can not endorse internet piracy. -

From what I recall, iPad Version of the rulebook will be out in September (there was some talk of releasing it a week ahead of the rulebook, but there was some fear that it will cannabilise hardcopy sales - that and the Indys would be pissed off.)

Release was intended to be the 7th of July but I believe it was pulled forward to appease GW regions that have there Financial Years end on the 30th June (hoped that they will have a shot in the arm as a result.)

I am frankly amazed that the Necrons were able to get their entire codex in model form within a year!
After this, the only thing we'll have to wait for is the next Imperial Armour!
(I want my 'Cron Titan, dammit)

I have removed the OT side-track. Can we please try to keep it on topic, folks?

Dantalian wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Wait what? They are making finecasts of XV15s when they don't actually exist anymore in the current codex?

A Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit. Doesn't matter what pattern it is really.

I think the point I'm more or less trying to get across here is that the old suits were replaced with these new sculpts. Why would they redo the older XV15 in finecast unless they had a plan for them. Or does GW just realize people liked the old models better than the new sculpt.
I just feel something is off here. Sure the XV15 is still listed and playable, but the XV15s have been out of stores for a long time now and only sold on the website. So I guess I made the error of assuming that since it is getting a finecast release, it would be going BACK into stores. If it actually goes back into the store, then I would question it more. But I think it will go back in stores, since I don't seem them finecasting something and only selling it on their website.


*failed at making my thoughts clear.

You realized they have been selling them in metal still for awhile right?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440288a&prodId=prod1060281
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440288a&prodId=prod1060282

H.B.M.C. wrote:I mean... is he aware of GW’s own digital products (as needlessly obstructive as they may be, they still exist).

Not gonna lie, I'd buy a digital rulebook in a heartbeat at that price if it had half of the functionality of the digital SM codex. The hyperlinks to rules alone are worth it, along with not having to carry a book that makes most textbooks shudder with it's girth.

Oh, and the price is fine. It's exactly what you should have expected, given the last few releases. It certainly wasn't going to get cheaper.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I really hope you cannot buy terrain with points.

This is coming. Expect to be able to buy "Battlefield Terrain", so they can move all the Citadel Terrain products. It is a logical 'swipe' from 8th ed Fantasy.

Fortresses, Defence lines, Landing Pads, Tanglewire(tm), tank traps, walls, barricades, etc. All ready to be point-costed and sold to eager 15 year olds.

Lockark wrote:

Dantalian wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Wait what? They are making finecasts of XV15s when they don't actually exist anymore in the current codex?

A Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit is a Stealth Suit. Doesn't matter what pattern it is really.

I think the point I'm more or less trying to get across here is that the old suits were replaced with these new sculpts. Why would they redo the older XV15 in finecast unless they had a plan for them. Or does GW just realize people liked the old models better than the new sculpt.
I just feel something is off here. Sure the XV15 is still listed and playable, but the XV15s have been out of stores for a long time now and only sold on the website. So I guess I made the error of assuming that since it is getting a finecast release, it would be going BACK into stores. If it actually goes back into the store, then I would question it more. But I think it will go back in stores, since I don't seem them finecasting something and only selling it on their website.


*failed at making my thoughts clear.

You realized they have been selling them in metal still for awhile right?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440288a&prodId=prod1060281
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440288a&prodId=prod1060282

No, I had not a clue they were still being sold on the website like I previously mentioned in my post.

Dantalian wrote:... . Commander on the other hand ends up about $9 more, which is a lot. Not to mention it has nine pieces in it, which is more than the current pewter pieces on the commander now (I think six in the current). Unless I'm missing something here, there seems to be something new hiding in that kit...

The current kit also contains 9 pieces:

Airburst launcher (+ front bit)
Cyclic blaster
2 heads + 2 antennae
Positional relay
Command and control node.

We've been waiting for tau stuff so long, and all we get is some lousy finecast. Should make a t-shirt out of it . Finecast shielddrone bitz might be nice though, the metal ones are kinda heavy, although magnetizing those to sticks still works (just need a little bigger magnet ). Already have 2 kits of those though, dont think many old tau players will be buying any of this (although, I dont have any kroot hounds yet :().

I think I'm inclined to buy the collector's edition when it launches because I'm not sure I'm going to stick with 40k. If I dislike the rules, I'll just keep playing the armies and codexes I have in 5th.

So for me getting the collector's edition actually makes the most sense since if I don't like it, I can ebay it and get the best return. Also, the 8th CE looks awesome.

MoD_Legion wrote:

Dantalian wrote:... . Commander on the other hand ends up about $9 more, which is a lot. Not to mention it has nine pieces in it, which is more than the current pewter pieces on the commander now (I think six in the current). Unless I'm missing something here, there seems to be something new hiding in that kit...

The current kit also contains 9 pieces:

Airburst launcher (+ front bit)
Cyclic blaster
2 heads + 2 antennae
Positional relay
Command and control node.

We've been waiting for tau stuff so long, and all we get is some lousy finecast. Should make a t-shirt out of it . Finecast shielddrone bitz might be nice though, the metal ones are kinda heavy, although magnetizing those to sticks still works (just need a little bigger magnet ). Already have 2 kits of those though, dont think many old tau players will be buying any of this (although, I dont have any kroot hounds yet :().

Ah damn, I forgot the 2 antenna on the front of one of the heads. Now all my hopes and dreams of a small wargear upgrade for 6th has been dashed.

I for one am very happy to see the drones at least, it would be nice to have at least one viable way of getting some. And at eight pieces per pack, it will be two drones worth. And your right, at this point there is nothing being released that I honestly will buy except maybe one broadside upgrade kit to check it out.

I read the shield drone upgrade pack to be 8 underside pieces to go on shield drones plus maybe antennae? So 4 - 8 gun drones worth of conversions. 3 days to find out or until someone scans the page in an early copy.

The wording is a bit strange, if they call the commander set 9 piece, how can they make the shield drone pack 8 piece? (as you require 1 under piece and 2 antennae in the current upgrade set). Perhaps they changed the shield drone pack further (different pieces maybe?), as the current pack only holds enough for 4 drones (8 drones in a single pack might be to much for people that only need like 2).

I could see the upgrade being two pieces actually. If you use existing sprues for the drone you already have 1 antenna. So the upgrade would be the bottom part and 1 antenna per drone sprue. So yah this would make 4 drones per upgrade kit which isn't that bad. Now if they can give us a reason to have more than a handful in the army thats a different matter.

Unless this is a typo and they are in fact not upgrades but the whole drone itself, then it would be 2 drones (2 antenna and top and bottom parts).

Hopefully the 23rd will give us a glimpse of the future of Tau within all the 6th edition stuff. And more so in the actual 6th book, the fluff and lore for Tau in there should give some insight too. We may even see the supposed next flyer wave release pop up on the 23rd as well which would be exciting.

New Tau makes me happy, also glad to see that GW is making an effort to complete ranges. I think despite all our fears that GW will consistently disappoint and gouge its fans, they've definitely 'grown up' a lot in the last six months.

Finecast is going to replace all metals in the next year. Although I keep wondering if that will extend to Specialist or they will just use it as an excuse to shut it down...

I cant wait for 6th ed I hope they will add a new chapter, like they did in 5th ed (hoping it will be the age of chaos)...

happygolucky wrote:I cant wait for 6th ed I hope they will add a new chapter, like they did in 5th ed (hoping it will be the age of chaos)...

Huh? What new chapter? What are you talking about?

Breotan wrote:

happygolucky wrote:I cant wait for 6th ed I hope they will add a new chapter, like they did in 5th ed (hoping it will be the age of chaos)...

Huh? What new chapter? What are you talking about?

In 5ed, they added the chapter the time of ending (which also featured the emporors throne failing) so I hope thaey add a new era/chapter.

I hope it will be the age of chaos.

I think you had everybody confused with "new chapter", many of us were probably thinking about a Space Marine chapter.

SpaceUltraBloodKnightRavens of the Dammed?

They would be so Grim Dark everyones parents would explode!

Kurce wrote:I like numbers.

I like numbers, too. But these are not sexy.
What an impressive list!

I remember buying the huge collector's edition rulebook for 8th WHFB because I thought it was really neat and I liked all of the extra lore and art in the book. But, after lugging that thing around for a month or so I got tired of it real quick. I will be waiting for the small rulebook (if I am still around 40k by the time it comes out anyway).

Something i noticed on the SKU's -

The Munitorum dice are coming out 28/7/12, 4 weeks after the BRB. The gamer's edition supposedly comes with dice and releases on 30/6/12. The only way to get the new dice (which appear to come with 'holders', a cool idea, as well as possibly new damage chart result references) on release day is to shell out the extra $50 for the gamer's ed.

Now i'm really not sure which i'll buy....

Finecost Meganobs? Well there goes any hope for a plastic box.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Finecost Meganobs? Well there goes any hope for a plastic box.

Didn't the Hive Tyrant get converted to FC only to get a new plastic kit about 6 months later? I just think your probably looking at a 5-6 month minimum wait, there has been rumours of a Ork Wave in early 2013 which would fit.

Didn't we just have this conversation like 4 times?

notprop wrote:They would be so Grim Dark everyones parents would explode!

Ok that did make me laugh.

pretre wrote:Didn't we just have this conversation like 4 times?

... per week

Why do they hate Canadians, our dollar is on par with the USD, yet we still pay a premium... we only have a handful of cities to ship to as well, so its not like we are some challenging market to serve...

Don't xomplain, us Aussies are worse off, and then there's our brothers and sisters in NZ...

Kroothawk wrote:

pretre wrote:Didn't we just have this conversation like 4 times?

... per week

I think we're in the q continuum and have run out of things to do.

When I saw the price for Orikan and Anrakyr, I inadvertently shouted "HOLY .... out loud. They need to put consumer warnings on that stuff. Like, "warning, may give you temporary tourette's."

I'll probably still pay that, and supply and demand says they'll sell it, but It's the first time I've ever done that, and I've been playing 40k for almost 12 years now.

At least I only have to buy them once each.

If it makes you feel better I have spoken to someone who has seen the new models and apparently the anraky model is really awesome and much better than the past necron special chars. Along with that he said hte new chaos flyer is ridiculously badass, it essentially looks like a Balrog with platemail and lava coming out of the cracks of the armor. Along with autocannons strapped onto it

Not sure if serious...

I am, I have never ever posted a "rumor" before so I have no credence, but it is what I was told by a guy who has seen the rule-book and the next models due to a family connection. I understand if you all think I am making stuff up though!

But personally, I hope its true, as a massive dragon with autocannons strapped to wings sounds pretty kickass, even though it sounds very fantasy like.

Clauss wrote:I am, I have never ever posted a "rumor" before so I have no credence, but it is what I was told by a guy who has seen the rule-book and the next models due to a family connection. I understand if you all think I am making stuff up though!

But personally, I hope its true, as a massive dragon with autocannons strapped to wings sounds pretty kickass, even though it sounds very fantasy like.

Interesting. Of course, NaCl applied, but there is another rumored flyer wave coming, as early as August, if I recall correctly...any word on other flyers, or is the "DakkaDragon" the only one you heard of.

If someone said "chaos is getting an armored crab vehicle, and it's all daemonic", i'd say "that's crap". Now when that turns into the defiler, I would be impressed. Also happy I was picturing it wrong.

When they say "armored dragon" or "balrog with autocannons" I think "that's crap". So I hope it's nothing like what i'm thinking.

I have faith in GW to make it into an amazing quality model. They've been doing some amazing things lately in that category.

erikwfg wrote:

When they say "armored dragon" or "balrog with autocannons"

Looks at Balrog model. Hmmmm.....

Will be ordering the collectors edition me thinks. If advanced orders are this weekend I would have expected an email by now like what they do when finecast stuff is up for advance order .

Daston wrote:Will be ordering the collectors edition me thinks. If advanced orders are this weekend I would have expected an email by now like what they do when finecast stuff is up for advance order .

maybe an email on friday?

spectreoneone wrote:

Clauss wrote:I am, I have never ever posted a "rumor" before so I have no credence, but it is what I was told by a guy who has seen the rule-book and the next models due to a family connection. I understand if you all think I am making stuff up though!

But personally, I hope its true, as a massive dragon with autocannons strapped to wings sounds pretty kickass, even though it sounds very fantasy like.

Interesting. Of course, NaCl applied, but there is another rumored flyer wave coming, as early as August, if I recall correctly...any word on other flyers, or is the "DakkaDragon" the only one you heard of.

Maybe its a tyranid Harpy for there flyer.

For all the Tau players who haven't spotted it; the kroot hounds are now in a box of four instead of a two model blister. If that's true then they've actually had a price drop. Current GBP8.70 for the blister, which is about $16?

theticky wrote:

spectreoneone wrote:

Clauss wrote:I am, I have never ever posted a "rumor" before so I have no credence, but it is what I was told by a guy who has seen the rule-book and the next models due to a family connection. I understand if you all think I am making stuff up though!

But personally, I hope its true, as a massive dragon with autocannons strapped to wings sounds pretty kickass, even though it sounds very fantasy like.

Interesting. Of course, NaCl applied, but there is another rumored flyer wave coming, as early as August, if I recall correctly...any word on other flyers, or is the "DakkaDragon" the only one you heard of.

Maybe its a tyranid Harpy for there flyer.

Or more likely a conventional type craft with demon/chaos reason for having a balrog like cracked/lava effect armour.

Sounds interesting, I just hope it's not a chaosified Chibi hawk rendition.

Clauss wrote:I am, I have never ever posted a "rumor" before so I have no credence, but it is what I was told by a guy who has seen the rule-book and the next models due to a family connection. I understand if you all think I am making stuff up though!

But personally, I hope its true, as a massive dragon with autocannons strapped to wings sounds pretty kickass, even though it sounds very fantasy like.

Cyberdemon from Doom? Copyright infringement incoming from id Software?

Some people claim that Flamers of Tzeentch (Finecast) will be removed from what retail can order (still on June list, mailorder lists them as available in 1-2 weeks).

Also:

Stickmonkey wrote:A little birdy told me...
There are a few DE characters on their way soon. Like oct/nov timeframe.

Zathras wrote:

Synister_Intent wrote:What is the difference between "Gamers" Edition and "Collectors" Edition, this is my first time with a new rule set release.

The Gamers Edition has the Rulebook, a Dice Set, and a Satchel to carry them in. You can also probably fit your codex, army list(s), templates and markers in it as well. The Collectors Edition is just a really fancy version of the rulebook. It could be a limited printing run with each copy numbered.

Synister_Intent wrote:P.s- I am also interested in knowing what;

501192103553-3 64-38 Tanglewire TBC July - 7-Jul-12 7-Jul-12 $10.00 $13.75

is, any ideas?

Sounds like miniature barbed wire you can use on terrain pieces for your games and for dioramas to me. It's probably made from brass or some other material that will cut up your fingers if you're not careful with it.

Straight from this month's WD "A thin wire that entwines the entire length of the main coil, providing the tanglewire with a barbed look that is completely safe to touch."

Use it for tank traps, other scenery, or as a piece of debris.

That is repackaged barbed wire pack.
That is the same exact description.

I like the look of the shield drones and kroot hounds, I'm glad that they wont be in that horrible metal any more.

Awesome, I was just going to buy some MANz and my badrukk for my gitz today. They're removed from GW site, looking to advance order some resin models soon.

Can't decide if it is a good or bad idea by GW, but Tau suits are now a purchase an XV8 and purchase an upgrade sprue for the commander or broadside. I am surprised the approach was not taken with Marines.

Could be the Tau are a test run of the idea or GW does not want to sell Plastic+Resin kits.

They did the same previously with Necrons and heavy destroyers / destroyer lords.

barnowl wrote:Can't decide if it is a good or bad idea by GW, but Tau suits are now a purchase an XV8 and purchase an upgrade sprue for the commander or broadside. I am surprised the approach was not taken with Marines.

Could be the Tau are a test run of the idea or GW does not want to sell Plastic+Resin kits.

Well they get to sneakily raise the price. Previously a Broadside cost you £18.50. Now it'll cost you £24.50 (£15.50 for the Crisis kit and then another £9.00 for the XV88 upgrade kit) and you won't get anything extra which you didn't already get before. Boo, price rise!

Compel wrote:They did the same previously with Necrons and heavy destroyers / destroyer lords.

Just get normal Destroyers and build your own HD guns with sprues...saw a tutorial quite a while ago, tried it, looks quite well. You even get 2 spare green rods

Older rumors have claimed that a new Tau model line is ready for production, so these upgrade sprues might be a stopgap between model styles. If the crisis suit is getting an overhaul, we may be seeing new base models.

I'm sad that some of the tau codex rumors were admitted fabrications, but if Reecius is right and Forgeworld is going mainstream, then we can look forward to, if not new rules, then at least some great new models for an army in desperate need of a cosmetic overhaul.

Well, as this thread is still alive, here the official pics of the two new necrons:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1620055a


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1620053a


The Finecast recasts for Tau, Orks, Inquisition and Dark Eldar are also on preorder:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

I'm a little sad that it only shows detail of the broadside and commander kits. The pictures are just the same as the old ones with finecast slapped on the bottom.

Ledabot wrote:I'm a little sad that it only shows detail of the broadside and commander kits. The pictures are just the same as the old ones with finecast slapped on the bottom.

THis is excalty the same as any other metal model converted over to 'fine'cast.

yeah,
For the most part the studio models are never finecast or metal. But pre-production resin copies..
so GW photos are never a true representation of what your getting and probabily cover in the small print as contents may vary...

Panic....

So frustrating. I really like all the new Necron characters. I think they're great sculpts. I will not buy Finecost though.

Too bad the assassin is still the same '90's figure that looks like a cheeky toddler snapping one off in his pants and grinning about it...

Panic wrote:yeah,
For the most part the studio models are never finecast or metal. But pre-production resin copies..
so GW photos are never a true representation of what your getting and probabily cover in the small print as contents may vary...

I wasn't aware of this until a few months ago. I do get somewhat irked by companies that only show greens or rendered sculpts of their miniatures.

Fine before they have the item but once a particular model is in production they should paint one of those up - I'm sure GW could afford to do the same.

As to the new Necron - I like the look of them.

Was hoping to see some new cool tau units. To be honest I'm a litlle dissapointed they only made them finecast and didn't change anything...

Subject: GW 40k July releases

Okay, it's mid-July (Bastille Day), so where is the list of August releases already? I want my Chaos!

Nope.

I like all the new Necron characters, but there's no way in hell that I'm getting models with such thin staff weapons in Finecast. In all the blisters I've seen they look like grey spaghetti. At least with metal you could bend them back into shape.

You can bend finecast models back to almost perfect with a good hair dryer or heat gun and pacience.

So with this finecrap release of Ork Meganobz, is the rumoured 5x plastic meganobz plain wishlisting or is this more brilliant marketing on GWs part? On that note, have there been any finecraped models that they have switched to plastic afterwards?

On that note, have there been any finecraped models that they have switched to plastic afterwards?

Hive Tyrant is probably the best example. It was an early finecast then got a plastic kit about a year after.

Question is, why haven't they re released the long out of production straight shoota meganob? Surely they still have the mould or master knocking around?

Ork Big Guns are a travesty. Why the hell do you up the cost 30% and not include a new kit? Or at least the ability to have all three guns in one kit? Is it really that hard....

These units are dirt cheap, but cost $1 per point...?

REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

1. They're $22.25. Check your little flag and make sure it's not set to Australia. This happens a lot and we get a thread about it every week or two from someone who mistakes the Australian prices as a price hike.
2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

Brother SRM wrote:

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

^Aye all my finecast models have been good

Brother SRM wrote:

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

1. They're $22.25. Check your little flag and make sure it's not set to Australia. This happens a lot and we get a thread about it every week or two from someone who mistakes the Australian prices as a price hike.
2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

You shouldn't have to cover up anything with the World's Greatest Miniatures at the World's Highest prices!

stormboy wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

You can blame GW for claiming to have reinvented the wheel here, and then charging a lot more for it - when in reality well, you know... (OK, maybe you don't, but a lot of other people do!)

It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

Matt.Kingsley wrote:^Aye all my finecast models have been good

You should consider yourself incredibly lucky - have you played the lottery lately?

No, and me, lucky? I fail at EVERY competiton based on luck around

stormboy wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

Sorry but there is enough evidence seen to the contrary. Bty I but have had good and bad casts from fincast.

Now about the comment of getting over it? Not going to happen. Doubt it ever going to happen, so I reckon you as well will just have to deal with it yourself. Fine cast is not the same resin based product I am used too. Maybe GW should be lessons from the companies such as Bandai or Tamiya. And by the way I have purchased Resin kits that have cost hundreds of dollars from other companies and have little or no issue than what I have seen and purchased from GW. It is not the sculpts in question but the quality of the material being use for the final product that is in question.

There is no excuse for a shoddy product being sold. Period.

The only finecast I've bought are some sternguard.

Even though they're only 5 models, one of them had a significant portion of his foot cratered in.

I've tried to fix it with green stuff, but it's still very noticable, particularly due to the sole of the boot.

I'd be very wary about these necron dudes, really.

Adam LongWalker wrote:There is no excuse for a shoddy product being sold. Period.

Especially when:

A). The process of creating resin models isn't exactly new.
B). There are dozens of companies that do it already and I've not encountered the same problems from any of them.
C). One of GW's own sub-companies, Forge World, makes resin that isn't error free but at the same time isn't the complete nightmare that Finecost is.
D). They have the balls to put the price up on these ancient fething models when nothing has changed other than them being made from a cheaper material and with greater levels of flaws/miscasts.

As there are already ...oh...about a billion threads on the different subjective opinions about finecast, can we please NOT repeat that here?

Regarding the new models ...

Any one have any ideas on why they would bother with making tau xv15 suits considering they are not even in the codex?

Could they just have been selling a lot of the old ones?
Or do people think this may be a sign they could come back in the new dex?

Also, I was curious as to why shadowsun got a new model, and farsight did not...

Speculative thoughts?

davethepak wrote:Any one have any ideas on why they would bother with making tau xv15 suits considering they are not even in the codex?

People can use them as Stealth Suits I guess.

Brother SRM wrote:
2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

GW no longer sends replacements of FC models to my address without us first shipping the messed up models back to them. My girlfriend bought a box of Fire Dragons and a box of Rangers. Both boxes had significant flaws. So did their replacements. And their replacements. And those replacements. After 4 boxes, she finally received 5 fire dragons that could be fielded (if she combined the models from different boxes), but continued to complain about the rangers as two of them kept getting messed up. Broken rifles, rifles bent back on themselves, severe pitting. We tried the "bend it back" method with hot water and snapped every barrel. They sent replacements for the specific models that were still messed up. Those had liquid green stuff to fill in the gaps, because even hand picking the models they couldn't find good ones. Even GW has its limits for replacements, so sadly your "just get it replaced and get free models!" advice doesn't work. We've stopped buying Finecost, period. I only buy GW if its in a store on the shelf. Of course it's cheaper online, but at a store I'm: 1. helping my LGS, and 2. assured that GW has already gotten its money, and thus will be making no profit from my dollar. Especially since many of my LGS have stopped keeping a continuous stock of GW products on their shelves, any future orders would be special order on a case by case basis.

At this point GW would have to release dwarves and wood elves tomorrow with the fluffiest, most balanced, and fun to play army books EVAR for me to want to give them money again. 16 hours, 10 minutes, GW. Go.

stormboy wrote:
It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

There's also a saying about people who assume everyone else is lying just because they haven't had any problems. It can't be repeated in polite company, though.

TBD wrote:

davethepak wrote:Any one have any ideas on why they would bother with making tau xv15 suits considering they are not even in the codex?

People can use them as Stealth Suits I guess.

The stealthsuit entry in the Tau codex isn't specific to the XV25. The XV15 is still a legal stealthsuit, it just doesn't have the same modelling options as the XV25 kit. In the Apoc book (or maybe Apoc Reloaded...can't remember off the top of my head) there is a stealthsuit formation, the command squad of which utilizes the XV15 suits because they are lighter and more agile than the XV25s. I imagine that perhaps in the next Tau codex release that they will delineate between the two suits...or perhaps not. That aside, they definitely provide an option to change up the look of your army a bit.

I don't have an issue with people complaining about Finecast so long as they're getting inferior product. It's a boring, repetitive topic, but whatever. What I do have a problem with is people using the bevvy of unfunny, overused, and frankly irritating nicknames for it, and then insist on using said terms a year later.

Brother SRM wrote:
2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

Seriously?

By definition all 40K models represent people in a war so ALL fincast flaws should just be excused as free battle damage right?

I agree: the fincast jokes ARE getting old, but so are the excuses/rationalizations from the apologists.

If you are gonna charge premium product prices then you'd better be delivering premium quality goods.

If finecast was a cheaper price point I could live with the flaws, but don't tell me I'm getting the "finest" with a grin on your face as you take my money and hand me a ganky model...

spectreoneone wrote:

TBD wrote:

davethepak wrote:Any one have any ideas on why they would bother with making tau xv15 suits considering they are not even in the codex?

People can use them as Stealth Suits I guess.

The stealthsuit entry in the Tau codex isn't specific to the XV25. The XV15 is still a legal stealthsuit, it just doesn't have the same modelling options as the XV25 kit. In the Apoc book (or maybe Apoc Reloaded...can't remember off the top of my head) there is a stealthsuit formation, the command squad of which utilizes the XV15 suits because they are lighter and more agile than the XV25s. I imagine that perhaps in the next Tau codex release that they will delineate between the two suits...or perhaps not. That aside, they definitely provide an option to change up the look of your army a bit.

This^. Personally I prefer the look of the XV15 suits. I also run Farsight lists so it's more fluffy that he would have the older XV15 suit rather than the newer XV25s.

lord_blackfang wrote:

stormboy wrote:
It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

There's also a saying about people who assume everyone else is lying just because they haven't had any problems. It can't be repeated in polite company, though.

Actually, I just assume that 1/6 people actually have had a real problem and the rest are just posturing.

Maybe the New England Finecast models are just better. Out of my entire gaming community there have been 3 or 4 serious flaws. But whenever I come to dakka, every discussion is plagued with the terrors of the Finecast problems.

Not only is it tiresome - but most people are saying they are blatantly not purchasing it - so why does every thread dissolve into meaningless "Finecast smells like bad cheese!" anecdotes?

Blah - I will endeavor not to get sucked into it again, so as not to offend the naysayers.

I'm lucky, all of the finecost models I have bought have been fine (to a greater and lesser extent) however i'm the exception that proves the rule in my area, I have seen some truelly apalling casts, my GC mate wanted a chaplain... 6 chaplains latter he got a good one, whenver i buy FC I always insist that i look in the box first before handing over any cash, as i dont want to waste my time by having to have another sent to me or my money if they insist i greenstuff it (thankfully my local GW staff are very good)

Yes the "fine/Fail/Cast/cost/crap jokes are getting old, best answer to this? sort the bloody problem out and it will die out on its own, while the problem persists.. so will the name.