I will buy the little book from the box set when it comes out,

*Redacted* - thanks mod, understood.

Call me crazy (please do) but I think that 75 bucks for an unwieldy difficult to transport tome is just silly for a game that needs to be portable.

I'm doing almost the same thing. My friend preordered one of the collectors editions, and we'll just use that to play. I'll wait to get mine in the starter box(hopefully). Since current rumours are DA vs Chaos, and I play DA and my brother plays Chaos, we'll probably be buying a bunch of them as long as they are on par with AoBR.

In fact I'll probably be selling/trading extra copies of the small rulebook like I did with AoBR.

I really don't want to buy a collectors version, due to the obscene pricing, but that bag with the aquilla or chaos star is so nice looking....

I won't be buying it either. My gaming group has more or less decided to stick with 5th edition due to some of the rumours we have heard about 6th. That and it's taken us long enough to teach some of the players how to play using the current rules and cannot be bothered to start teaching them again...

When the starter box set comes out I will probably end up getting the mini book from that, although it will be mostly for the models in the box rather than the book itself

I'm also not going to be buying it. Waiting for that smaller easier to carry book.

I'll be waiting for the smaller version to come out, then buying a copy on ebay once people start splitting up the starter sets.

I might pick up a starter box once they come out. Kinda depends on the changes in the edition if I'll start back up or not.

Wait, who's going to be buying me?

Although really, I'm not bothered. Get a backpack or something.

I bought the Gamers Edition after much debate, I'm excited about this release and missed the launch of 5th due to a hiatus from the hobby. I know there's alot of fears over an edition change, and for £75 the book wasn't cheap but its something I intend to keep on using. Besides it was a nice treat for myself 6 days after my birthday. Regardless of any fear I may/may not have over 6th edition I was excited enough to be sat up at midnight on GW site just to preorder, it was like waiting for christmas.

SilverMK2 wrote:I'll be waiting for the smaller version to come out, then buying a copy on ebay once people start splitting up the starter sets.

This. Plus I'm sure I'll be able to 'borrow' a copy from my 'friend' pretty soon after the rulebook comes out.

I dunno. My buddy and i still use 4th edition to play, and the Sedition wars KS is only 25 bucks more then the 6th Ed. rulebook, and comes with 80+ models.

I'm likely getting the gamers edition for the bag which looks to be cool assuming they will sell them to flgs and not gw only.

as for waiting for the book on small version i'll just get the bgi oen now to have the new rules on a hardcopy and still likely buy starter sets if they have good models and for a smaller book

i was at warhammer world with my brother, at 10 am. it was open b4 i did not know lol. we got in to pre order the rule book. howeva from the prices we had a look round and think, buy time we go to ordering 1 book that Gamers set at £175 was cleared out (10:20) , i was like OMG!! some people must be rich!?! so i was hmmmm should i get a £80 book b4 they all go?...... after a few mins me and my brother went halfs, we will find out next week if it was worth it.

also if you guys can not Wait, we was told Warhammer world is open midnight Friday. for 1 hour. we maybe there lol. but will be packed i guess.

I'm going to buy the BRB since the IBook version won't be out for months and there's very little chance I can just not play (or just wing it by looking at others books) for three months.

Yeh I noticed that the big set with both books and all the stuff got taken off the site early this morning. I did want the rulebook with all the fluff, artwork etc. rather than the rules only version. But I wasn't too fussed about the collectors edition...until about 11am this morning when I said to hell with it preordered and decided if I change my mind within the next week I could probably put it on ebay for more than I bought it for anyway.

I kind of swore off of GW recently. I will however be purchasing the Gamer's Edition. It just looks too cool to pass up on.

After all that fuss they made about digital releases, kinda suprised they aren't releasing a digital version right off the bat. Would theoretically help cut down on piracy. Some money is better than no money from your customers.

Who has two thumbs and is going to wait for the mini rule book?

This guy.

It would be the same price as the hardcopy so it would do nothing to stop piracy. They will wait a few months then release it in a digital form.

For those of you waiting on the boxed set version, how are you going to play until then, or will you not?

What does BBB stand for? I thought it would be the BGB, the Big Green Book. Wonder what the middle B stands for in BBB.

I will be getting it. For me the BGB is not for transporting, but to have at home to read the extra fluff and what not in the book. Then I will be getting the boxset for the minis and SGB Small Green Book.

Then again, I find it funny anyone who complains about GW high prices. You are over paying no matter what you do. Buy it from GW you are way over paying. Buying from a discount store, you are over paying. Buying on Ebay, you are still over paying.

Funny how you can buy a Skylander mini, fully painted, no flash, all the work done for you for under $10, but have to pay for a single mini that is about 1/5th or 1/10th the size, have to cut, remove flash, and paint for over $20 or more.

Also lets say the BGB costs $100 (we pay more in Canada becasue of taxes added.) so you play 10 games. Now that means that rule book just costed $10 bucks a game. Play 20 games in a year, now it's $5 a game. Not really that expensive now is it?

SlaveToDorkness wrote:It would be the same price as the hardcopy so it would do nothing to stop piracy. They will wait a few months then release it in a digital form.

For those of you waiting on the boxed set version, how are you going to play until then, or will you not?

I won't be getting the big rule book, but one of my friends will be. I will wait for the small version before I purchase the rules.

In the meantime we will just use his book to learn the rules from.

tgf wrote:I will buy the little book from the box set when it comes out,

*Redacted* - thanks mod, understood.

Call me crazy (please do) but I think that 75 bucks for an unwieldy difficult to transport tome is just silly for a game that needs to be portable.

After I dropped $70+ on 8th Edition WHFB and was rewarded with wack rules and 50%+ of illustrations that added nothing to the utility of the book, I won't be dropping $75 on 6th Ed 40K. Based on what I've heard and seen so far, I have little to no interest in playing WH40KB, and if I want' to look at pretty glossy pictures, I'd rather pick up this month's Playboy.

A bunch of friends are getting it, I will be a mootch until the starter comes out. I want to wait, but I am already having a hard time not preordering.

Davor wrote:
Funny how you can buy a Skylander mini, fully painted, no flash, all the work done for you for under $10, but have to pay for a single mini that is about 1/5th or 1/10th the size, have to cut, remove flash, and paint for over $20 or more.

Which is completely missing the point of the modelling hobby. Gaming is only part of 40k after all.

After googleing "Skylander" I really don't see your point. Those are clearly Toys.

See, I find it extremely annoying to play against someone who doesn't have the rule book or make an effort to know the rules. Asking to look up something in mine mid-game drives me nuts.

Had a hard time choosing between the Gamers and Collectors version but I ended up picking the Collector.

Still going to get my hands on the tiny book and it will most likely be if I buy the starter box but I want to se what I get first.

I bought just the plain big book. I already have a carrying case that can carry the book all the other books, templates, and tools I need for a game. However if the starter has a force in it I want, then I will buy it and get the small book as well.

Besides I like all the pictures and fluff in the books.

I saved up vouchers from my FLGS so yeah, im gonna get it.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:After googleing "Skylander" I really don't see your point. Those are clearly Toys.

See, I find it extremely annoying to play against someone who doesn't have the rule book or make an effort to know the rules. Asking to look up something in mine mid-game drives me nuts.

Then why complain about the price? I know it's a toy, but so is GW. They are plastic TOY soldiers. Yes it's a hobby. It's an expensive hobby. I complain about the prices as well but accept it. It's either accept it or get out. I just find it funny when people keep complaining about the price but are still in the hobby.

I agree, someone who doesn't have the book and REFUSES to buy the boo and the keeps asking to "look something up in mid game" or even "out of game" really bugs me. It's one thing not having the money now but will get it later, but it's another thing to refuse to buy it and still wanting to look at it.

It's taken some time for me to decide, but forty-five quid is simply more than I can justify for a book I already know will be filled with rules changes I consider unwanted and clumsily-implemented (not that the present edition is a masterpiece, but it is at least consistently playable).

If the miniatures in the starter box are decent enough, I might pick one up, but until October I'll be playing Space Hulk and Project Pandora instead.

I'll be picking up the Gamer's Edition, but I agree that it's a rulebook too big to take to your regular game, at least for people who rely on walking and public transit like myself. I'm still getting it for the fluff, art, and so on, and so I can read up on the rules at home before the starter comes out with a nice portable ruleset.

I ordered the Gamer's Edition since I figured I'm getting the satchel, dice with cool Lasgun power pack, and the little Servo-skull markers tossed in with the book for an extra 50 bucks or so. Seems like a decent deal to me since I need the book anyways.

Davor wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:After googleing "Skylander" I really don't see your point. Those are clearly Toys.

See, I find it extremely annoying to play against someone who doesn't have the rule book or make an effort to know the rules. Asking to look up something in mine mid-game drives me nuts.

Then why complain about the price?

Please show me where I complained about the price?

I know it's a toy, but so is GW. They are plastic TOY soldiers. Yes it's a hobby. It's an expensive hobby. I complain about the prices as well but accept it. It's either accept it or get out. I just find it funny when people keep complaining about the price but are still in the hobby.

But you must still acknowledge the vast difference in a model kit made to be customizable and detailed as opposed to toys like those.

I agree, someone who doesn't have the book and REFUSES to buy the boo and the keeps asking to "look something up in mid game" or even "out of game" really bugs me. It's one thing not having the money now but will get it later, but it's another thing to refuse to buy it and still wanting to look at it.

Exactly. My favorite is asking questions on the forums to get some rules that way. lol

After buying the 8th Edition Fantasy BRB filled with bolded text to highlight main points of the rules better laid out, lots of diagrams, and lots of art, I will be purchasing a 6th Edition 40k BRB.

My only gripe from the 8th Ed book that I hope you addressed this time GW, is that you have put the Terrain Generation Table next to the section dealing with Terrain this time.

Bought collectors and gamers - well, between myself and husband we did. Bag looks half decent, and my current one is wearing out anyway, and only way to get the new lasgun packs before end july....

I bought the Big Beige Book (I like this, BBB), in the gamer's edition. However, I run a group of 12+ weekly 40k players, so I kinda need the book ASAP. We'll wait unit the end of August to even start playing 6e, and I'm encouraging all of them to get the little book when it comes out from the starter set.

So, out of the 8 of us that will actually buy a rule book in the group, only 1 (me) will most likely get the BBB.

Our gaming group has decided to pool our money and buy a community BRB and wait for the box set for individual books and hopefully the box will have some good models in it.

I'll more than likely wait for the starter set to come along. I usually buy these anyway as they are good value, regardless of the armies you collect you can just sell them on and turn a profit. If I bought the hardback now then when that did drop in the shops my BBB would be obsolete as they are a pain for transporting and flicking through unlike the smaller one.

I'm interested in what 75 dollars can buy me of 40K 2nd edition off Amazon or Ebay, frankly.

I was on the phone this morning dithering as to buy the thing or not with Neal from the Warstore. I had $75 to spend per the wife...I bought 2x Dust Tactics Axis Zombies, Apes and another unit...then I cried, risked death, bought the 6th ed basic edition and that fething skull servitor tape measure...now I owe Neal $150 and my wife is gonna have my legs broke!?!?!?!

SlaveToDorkness wrote:It would be the same price as the hardcopy so it would do nothing to stop piracy. They will wait a few months then release it in a digital form.

For those of you waiting on the boxed set version, how are you going to play until then, or will you not?

Will not. Local store staff knows its a crazy sale for fans, and know better than to push 6th edition on us in stores
prior to the starter set release.

Fancy expensive book? very no desu.

starter set? yep, count me in for a few.

I'm going to wait to get the starter box, depending on what it contains it might mean the start of a new project for me. I don't feel like dropping $90 on a big book when for 100 or so I can get a more manageable one with some models included.

Not being able to play for a while doesn't really matter to me because I won't return to living somewhere that isn't in the middle of the forest for over a year.

In the meantime I can get acquainted with the new rules, plus I could start collecting some Warmachine or something because the group back in the city is starting that now.

Sorry I just can't cope without the artwork and huge background to read.

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YakManDoo wrote:I was on the phone this morning dithering as to buy the thing or not with Neal from the Warstore. I had $75 to spend per the wife...I bought 2x Dust Tactics Axis Zombies, Apes and another unit...then I cried, risked death, bought the 6th ed basic edition and that fething skull servitor tape measure...now I owe Neal $150 and my wife is gonna have my legs broke!?!?!?!

That's pretty sad if you can't even spend your own money on stuff you want and instead you are whipped by your wife. Buy whatever you want dude, unless of course you're not making money.

Honestly I don't blame people who are waiting for the starter set, that's the important thing if you want to play the game! I like the big rulebook 'cause it has lots of pretty pictures n' stuff.

Vladsimpaler wrote:That's pretty sad if you can't even spend your own money on stuff you want and instead you are whipped by your wife. Buy whatever you want dude, unless of course you're not making money.

Yeah, everyone knows that the secret to a happy relationship is 'Do what you want...'

I know of quite a few people (not just gamers) who have a 'hobby budget'... it's not a matter of being 'whipped' so much as paying the bills taking precedence.

It's called an attempt at humor for Christ's sake. I bought the preorder AND I bought my Dust stuff AND pissed off my wife in the process of doing what I really wanted to do. The key to being happily married is not impulse buying plastic crack and its overpriced, poorly written, badly designed and SUPER AWESOME GOTTAHAVEITNOMATTERWHAT rulebook. That tape measure makes me giggle.

I DID do what I wanted to do AND it got me in trouble with my wife (not really.) Sheesh...

Goldshield wrote:
After buying the 8th Edition Fantasy BRB filled with bolded text to highlight main points of the rules better laid out, lots of diagrams, and lots of art, I will be purchasing a 6th Edition 40k BRB.

My only gripe from the 8th Ed book that I hope you addressed this time GW, is that you have put the Terrain Generation Table next to the section dealing with Terrain this time.

Probably wouldn't hurt to get the victory conditions correct either eh?

Several forums and our hobby group distinguish the two primary GW rule books as...

BBB - Big Black Book - 40k
BRB - Big Red Book - Fantasy

I've ordered the Gamers Edition, if only for the 'Leatherette' bag it comes in. I do wonder what rules will differ though.

I might get the starter box, but not the actual rulebook.

I'm not!

Between Sedition Wars and Transformer import pre-orders, don't have the money.

Plus, it's been over a year since the last time I even played 40K, so it's not worth it.

I'm gonna buy the normal hardcover version, but not the collector's or gamer's edition.

The leather bag from the gamer's edition looks nice, but neither edition provides me with anything I'd pay 60 or 70 extra dollars for.

The reason I'm gonna get the hardcover edition at all, is that my regular opponent has poor vision - it's been a while since she got new glasses, and her prescription is probably out of date - and she can't read the text in the mini-rulebooks. I know this because I got the AoBR boxed set after a while, and she could read neither the minibook it contained, nor the minibook from the WHFB IoB set.

Unless someone decides to buy me one, it's not happening. I hated buying D&D books. Expensive as hell, and a pain in the ass to carry around. And now this huge thing? And it's $75? Not gonna buy it.

I won't be. I know 2 people who will definitely get it - I'll just get my boss to teach me 6th Ed. as he will be buying it. Besides I'm saving up for the FFG 'Only War' rulebook which is out later this year.

insaniak wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:That's pretty sad if you can't even spend your own money on stuff you want and instead you are whipped by your wife. Buy whatever you want dude, unless of course you're not making money.

Yeah, everyone knows that the secret to a happy relationship is 'Do what you want...'

I know of quite a few people (not just gamers) who have a 'hobby budget'... it's not a matter of being 'whipped' so much as paying the bills taking precedence.

wise words.

most wives will hate 40k and think it is a waste of money... even geek wives ( I met my wife playing WoW at a guild party... 5'11" blonde hair blue eyes legs for days and a buck twenty so no not what is was expecting to meet there) we play lots of games together but she thinks it is a waste of money but she realizes its something i like so we... compromised

learning to compromise will do you wonders, basically we agreed to a box a month, and if i do any extra work which i like to do (I have a builder's license so installing appliance fixing electrical problems, building/fixing decks/stair things like that) above and beyond my normal 40 hour a week job I get to spend 1/3 of that on 40k or whatever i want assuming we can afford it... but as said the mortgage and basic bills come first.

i ended up ordering the gamers edition assuming my flgs can get it in hoping the bag is decent quality.

i get why people will wait for the small version... whats funny to me though is GW not releasing the digital edition at launch and instead making people buy a hard copy then likely release the digital to make carrying it easier and then a few months later we'll get the little rulebook... though it'd be kind of funny (in a demented sort of way mind you) if the mini version was a simplified version .. not the full rules and not tourney legal just basics of the game to teach beginners... hopefully they don't but it'd be something in the GW profit wheelhouse.

I got the gamers edition because I like the extras and I really want a copy of the new rules to read. I will probably buy the small book when they come out for one to haul around with me.

insaniak wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:That's pretty sad if you can't even spend your own money on stuff you want and instead you are whipped by your wife. Buy whatever you want dude, unless of course you're not making money.

Yeah, everyone knows that the secret to a happy relationship is 'Do what you want...'

I know of quite a few people (not just gamers) who have a 'hobby budget'... it's not a matter of being 'whipped' so much as paying the bills taking precedence.

Whoops, I forgot the secret to a real happy relationship is "do what your wife/girlfriend says and don't think for yourself".
And it's not even like he said that he was going over budget, he was going over some budget that his wife set for him. If bills are getting paid and he worked for his money then he deserves to splurge a little. It's not as if he went to go get a Tau Manta or something

YakManDoo wrote:It's called an attempt at humor for Christ's sake. I bought the preorder AND I bought my Dust stuff AND pissed off my wife in the process of doing what I really wanted to do. The key to being happily married is not impulse buying plastic crack and its overpriced, poorly written, badly designed and SUPER AWESOME GOTTAHAVEITNOMATTERWHAT rulebook. That tape measure makes me giggle.

I DID do what I wanted to do AND it got me in trouble with my wife (not really.) Sheesh...

Haha, key word being attempt there.
And I'm sure that your wife buys stuff that you think is crap too, so in the end who really cares? Just use that as ammo for next time. Of course if you're not paying bills because you went over budget then that's one thing. But if you're not then it's nothing and you'll be fine.

Unless I end up at the store drunk again, and buy it on impulse, I probably won't be purchasing the big book.

I'll just download it when I can (probably like 48 hours after release day), and if I like what I see, I'll buy the starter box.

The Gamer's Edition looked tempting for a moment, until I realized you only get a set of regular dice as opposed to all the objective/damage/AP markers. So $50 for a flimsy faux-leather purse with two tin badges? Pass.

Dannyevilguy wrote:After all that fuss they made about digital releases, kinda suprised they aren't releasing a digital version right off the bat. Would theoretically help cut down on piracy. Some money is better than no money from your customers.

Considering their digital versions are more expensive than the print ones, I doubt it will curb piracy.

The biggest thing curtailing the piracy of the digital version is it being exclusive to the Apple devices.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Whoops, I forgot the secret to a real happy relationship is "do what your wife/girlfriend says and don't think for yourself".

Yeah, compromise and communication is for wimps.

And it's not even like he said that he was going over budget, he was going over some budget that his wife set for him. If bills are getting paid and he worked for his money then he deserves to splurge a little. It's not as if he went to go get a Tau Manta or something

Or it's possible you're taking a throwaway comment just a little more seriously than it was intended...

The tape-measure is the biggest disappointment. It's such a cool idea, and they ruin it by making it look like a cheap toy. It will probably break after 3-4 games like the regular GW tape measure.

Now, if instead of a cheap plastic red button on the eye, they made the eye an actual laser pointer so you could check LOS, that I would pay money for.

In terms of portable, most armies are borderline non portable and need multiple bulky cases, so your point is moot on that subject.

Everyone moaning and groaning about 6th ED rules, it is the same for every edition. You like the way the rules are and don't want them to change and everytime something new comes out that changes a lot of stuff you where previously in your comfy zone about, everyone gets in a tizzy. It happens to everything.

But if they didn't do this than the game would grow stagnant and it would be the same old stuff different day, where nothing is changed and everything is stale. What kind of world would this be if everything was stagnant. Boring.

For people complaining that the rules are not to THEIR liking and that are unwanted, you may not want them but others might.

I'm not for or against the rulebook, that's not the matter here, the issue becomes personal preference vs fresh and new.

Abyssel wrote:In terms of portable, most armies are borderline non portable and need multiple bulky cases, so your point is moot on that subject.

Everyone moaning and groaning about 6th ED rules, it is the same for every edition. You like the way the rules are and don't want them to change and everytime something new comes out that changes a lot of stuff you where previously in your comfy zone about, everyone gets in a tizzy. It happens to everything.

But if they didn't do this than the game would grow stagnant and it would be the same old stuff different day, where nothing is changed and everything is stale. What kind of world would this be if everything was stagnant. Boring.

For people complaining that the rules are not to THEIR liking and that are unwanted, you may not want them but others might.

I'm not for or against the rulebook, that's not the matter here, the issue becomes personal preference vs fresh and new.

I'm not sure why you're waving the GW banner here, when there aren't that many people moaning and groaning about 6th. If anything, people are ready for something fresh, since the 5th edition scene has gotten a bit stale (GK, GK, SW, GK, GK, SW, IG, GK, GK, GK).

As for portability, a huge and very heavy book does indeed present portability problems. Then there's the fact that half the book will having nothing to do with rules, and will only be a distraction/hinderance when trying to look something up during the game.

I'm sorry if that came off a little to blunt (ginger here, it's all we do) but I see a lot of gripe and have heard a lot of gripe about 6th.

As for the portability and stuff, Yeah I understand the book is huge, but for 5th, once I memorized the rules I left the book at home or in the car. I rarely ever pull it out because I don't need to. If the fluff gets in the way, go to the store, buy $3 tabs, and tab pages for rules that are constantly misread or argued?

So, maybe I missed it, but there's a very good reason why me and lots of other people will buy the new rulebook when it comes out. 40k isn't just a game, it's a hobby. Were 40k just a game, then yeah, it would make the most sense to spend as little on the rules as you could, but it's not.

Without the full book, you miss out on 100% of the fluff. Grimdark doesn't make sense if you don't have the full rulebook. Why armies and units and even some characters are they way they are doesn't make sense. Why the miniatures are the way they are is greatly enhanced by buying the big rule book. The story and the hobby is so immersive, and by buying only the tiny rulebook, you're diving into the shallow end.

If you're one of those people for whom 40k is JUST a game, and you get flavor of the month armies that you ALWAYS just field grey, and then sell them off on ebay when you've convinced yourself that the army isn't competitive anymore, then sure, buy the tiny rulebook. If you can't afford the monstrous price tag, but want to keep playing until you can, then sure, get the tiny rulebook. If you care about the rich world of 40k, or if you care about the hobby, or, really, if you care about the game outside of the statlines at all, then sooner or later, you're getting the big rule book.

Anything else is just making excuses to try and pretend that your interaction with 40k isn't actually rather shallow...

Still it's hard to justify the $124 for me on the story alone as much as I'd enjoy it; $80 just feels like my cap on a book. Even then I wonder how much of it would be new and how much would be a rehash of a previous iteration. Some of the pictures in it are quite nice too.

It just feels like a lot of the information would be more or less something I had already seen; like the general organisation of the IoM, Astartes etc. Does this make me shallow?

n0t_u wrote:Still it's hard to justify the $124 for me on the story alone as much as I'd enjoy it;

$99 through Milsims.

Cheaper from the US, but shipping makes it not by very much.

LunaHound wrote:
Fancy expensive book? very no desu.

Really? Ew. I hate weaboos. Cool avatar, though.

Ailaros wrote:So, maybe I missed it, but there's a very good reason why me and lots of other people will buy the new rulebook when it comes out. 40k isn't just a game, it's a hobby. Were 40k just a game, then yeah, it would make the most sense to spend as little on the rules as you could, but it's not.

Without the full book, you miss out on 100% of the fluff. Grimdark doesn't make sense if you don't have the full rulebook. Why armies and units and even some characters are they way they are doesn't make sense. Why the miniatures are the way they are is greatly enhanced by buying the big rule book. The story and the hobby is so immersive, and by buying only the tiny rulebook, you're diving into the shallow end.

If you're one of those people for whom 40k is JUST a game, and you get flavor of the month armies that you ALWAYS just field grey, and then sell them off on ebay when you've convinced yourself that the army isn't competitive anymore, then sure, buy the tiny rulebook. If you can't afford the monstrous price tag, but want to keep playing until you can, then sure, get the tiny rulebook. If you care about the rich world of 40k, or if you care about the hobby, or, really, if you care about the game outside of the statlines at all, then sooner or later, you're getting the big rule book.

Anything else is just making excuses to try and pretend that your interaction with 40k isn't actually rather shallow...

Except, of course, for people who have been playing the game/reading BL long enough to know all that backstory stuff. It will likely be 99% recycled material, and then a few new tidbits from Ward which I would rather just not be aware of.

Yeah no way i can(will) pay $124 for the book ( that about the same US at current exchange rate) i don't know how ill get my hands on it, most likely ill wait until the boxed set.

insaniak wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Still it's hard to justify the $124 for me on the story alone as much as I'd enjoy it;

$99 through Milsims.

Cheaper from the US, but shipping makes it not by very much.

Shipping is the main reason I'm not going to try and get it online. Even in Australia - I'd rather pay the extra $25au and support my FLGS.

I don't have a local FLGS...... so online! or boxed set

Omegus wrote:

Ailaros wrote:So, maybe I missed it, but there's a very good reason why me and lots of other people will buy the new rulebook when it comes out. 40k isn't just a game, it's a hobby. Were 40k just a game, then yeah, it would make the most sense to spend as little on the rules as you could, but it's not.

Without the full book, you miss out on 100% of the fluff. Grimdark doesn't make sense if you don't have the full rulebook. Why armies and units and even some characters are they way they are doesn't make sense. Why the miniatures are the way they are is greatly enhanced by buying the big rule book. The story and the hobby is so immersive, and by buying only the tiny rulebook, you're diving into the shallow end.

If you're one of those people for whom 40k is JUST a game, and you get flavor of the month armies that you ALWAYS just field grey, and then sell them off on ebay when you've convinced yourself that the army isn't competitive anymore, then sure, buy the tiny rulebook. If you can't afford the monstrous price tag, but want to keep playing until you can, then sure, get the tiny rulebook. If you care about the rich world of 40k, or if you care about the hobby, or, really, if you care about the game outside of the statlines at all, then sooner or later, you're getting the big rule book.

Anything else is just making excuses to try and pretend that your interaction with 40k isn't actually rather shallow...

Except, of course, for people who have been playing the game/reading BL long enough to know all that backstory stuff. It will likely be 99% recycled material, and then a few new tidbits from Ward which I would rather just not be aware of.

This.

We all know most of the fluff will be a rehash with a few bits of Ward's "wisdom" thrown in. No reason to pay extra for stuff you've read before. I eagerly await the smaller rulebook as not to lug around a massive cinderblock type thing that can probably be used as an effective weapon if you get the right swing on it.

khaosspacemarines wrote:I don't have a local FLGS...... so online! or boxed set

Likewise. I don't have a nearby store, and likely wouldn't play there if I did. So supporting Milsims at least keeps it in the country, so to speak.

Grimtuff wrote:

This.

We all know most of the fluff will be a rehash with a few bits of Ward's "wisdom" thrown in. No reason to pay extra for stuff you've read before. I eagerly await the smaller rulebook as not to lug around a massive cinderblock type thing that can probably be used as an effective weapon if you get the right swing on it.

Lol you just did GW marketing a favor, "Doubles as a personal protection device. Not only will it keep you from getting VD, you can use it as a blunt weapon, or to play a game."

Many people will just wait for the Starter kit to get the little book. On the other hand many will buy it. I will as I have no use for the DA and Chaos, and I like the fluff in the big book. I walso want to see the hobby section at the back.

Omegus wrote:
Now, if instead of a cheap plastic red button on the eye, they made the eye an actual laser pointer so you could check LOS, that I would pay money for.

I wouldn't. I learned my lesson with their previous little Tau Markerlight laser pointer for LoS. They're too cheap to put in anything powerful enough to be seen from more than 8-12" in a lit room.

Abyssel wrote:In terms of portable, most armies are borderline non portable and need multiple bulky cases, so your point is moot on that subject.

Everyone moaning and groaning about 6th ED rules, it is the same for every edition. You like the way the rules are and don't want them to change and everytime something new comes out that changes a lot of stuff you where previously in your comfy zone about, everyone gets in a tizzy. It happens to everything.

But if they didn't do this than the game would grow stagnant and it would be the same old stuff different day, where nothing is changed and everything is stale. What kind of world would this be if everything was stagnant. Boring.

For people complaining that the rules are not to THEIR liking and that are unwanted, you may not want them but others might.

I'm not for or against the rulebook, that's not the matter here, the issue becomes personal preference vs fresh and new.

I guess you don't play much chess, do you? Or Monopoly. Or poker, for that matter. Because those games (among thousands of others) haven't changed rules in, oh, forever, so they must be "stagnant" and it must be "the same old stuff different day, where nothing is changed and everything is stale." Oh, wait a minute. People are still playing those games every day.

What you and those who think like you are really saying is, "I've played this game for a while and now I'm bored with what I bought and I want a new game." Well, there are a whole lot of people who are just fine with the game they bought, just like they're just fine with chess, Monopoly, poker and thousands of other games just as they bought them.

It's got nothing to do with "stale" vs "fresh", and everything to do with stampeding GW true believers into shelling out big bucks every few years on what is essentially a new game, either because it's "fresh" or because they feel the need to "protect their investment" by jumping on the new bandwagon rather than staying with the existing game with other like-minded players.


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Abyssel wrote:In terms of portable, most armies are borderline non portable and need multiple bulky cases, so your point is moot on that subject.

Everyone moaning and groaning about 6th ED rules, it is the same for every edition. You like the way the rules are and don't want them to change and everytime something new comes out that changes a lot of stuff you where previously in your comfy zone about, everyone gets in a tizzy. It happens to everything.

But if they didn't do this than the game would grow stagnant and it would be the same old stuff different day, where nothing is changed and everything is stale. What kind of world would this be if everything was stagnant. Boring.

For people complaining that the rules are not to THEIR liking and that are unwanted, you may not want them but others might.

I'm not for or against the rulebook, that's not the matter here, the issue becomes personal preference vs fresh and new.

I'm not sure why you're waving the GW banner here, when there aren't that many people moaning and groaning about 6th. If anything, people are ready for something fresh, since the 5th edition scene has gotten a bit stale (GK, GK, SW, GK, GK, SW, IG, GK, GK, GK).

The problem isn't 5th edition per se, it's the idiotic codices spewed out by Him-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (and others, all approved by faceless GW suits). Instead of trashing the entire rulebook, the intelligent answer would have been to fix the broken codices. But that's asking too much, it seems.

I'll show up to the FLGS when the big book comes out. I will sit around listening to everyone discuss.

I'll ask a few questions.

When everything dies down and all the children are picked up by their mothers I will pick up the standard "STORE COPY"!

Then I'll call my friend in Georgia who will basically read me the whole thing over the phone.

Then I'll go online and read all the comments and complaints.

Then the starter set will come out. Neither army is useful to me so I will pitch in on one with 2 people who need them.

Though I will have to wait a month or 2 for my set of rules to be in my hands, it won't bother me.

I played maybe 5 games in 5th Edition. I can wait a little longer.

Platuan4th wrote:

Omegus wrote:
Now, if instead of a cheap plastic red button on the eye, they made the eye an actual laser pointer so you could check LOS, that I would pay money for.

I wouldn't. I learned my lesson with their previous little Tau Markerlight laser pointer for LoS. They're too cheap to put in anything powerful enough to be seen from more than 8-12" in a lit room.

Well, of course it's cheap. Just like their tape measures, and their dice, and their templates, and that fruity little gamer bag.

I'm saying I would pay say $40 for a quality tape measure with a quality laser pointer, built into a servo-skull enclosure. I mean, both of those items can be purchased for less than $10 total at your local Home Depot, so they'd still make a boatload of profit.

They are just stupid (or rather, smart enough to realize most of their customers are stupid/impressionable and impulsive).


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LordOfTheSloths wrote:I guess you don't play much chess, do you? Or Monopoly. Or poker, for that matter. Because those games (among thousands of others) haven't changed rules in, oh, forever, so they must be "stagnant" and it must be "the same old stuff different day, where nothing is changed and everything is stale." Oh, wait a minute. People are still playing those games every day.

Last time I checked, there are a slew of variations on poker. Same thing for chess.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Davor wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:After googleing "Skylander" I really don't see your point. Those are clearly Toys.

See, I find it extremely annoying to play against someone who doesn't have the rule book or make an effort to know the rules. Asking to look up something in mine mid-game drives me nuts.

Then why complain about the price?

Please show me where I complained about the price?

I know it's a toy, but so is GW. They are plastic TOY soldiers. Yes it's a hobby. It's an expensive hobby. I complain about the prices as well but accept it. It's either accept it or get out. I just find it funny when people keep complaining about the price but are still in the hobby.

But you must still acknowledge the vast difference in a model kit made to be customizable and detailed as opposed to toys like those.

I agree, someone who doesn't have the book and REFUSES to buy the boo and the keeps asking to "look something up in mid game" or even "out of game" really bugs me. It's one thing not having the money now but will get it later, but it's another thing to refuse to buy it and still wanting to look at it.

Exactly. My favorite is asking questions on the forums to get some rules that way. lol

I wasn't saying you were complaining about the price. I was really agreeing with you about people not buying the rule book but keep asking questions. I was talking about price from previous posts, and didn't explain myself again. Sorry once again.

I will acknowledge the difference about a model kit made to be customizable and detaile as opposed to toys, but if you look at most people, like say my parents, (I am 43) they would say they are ALL toys if my mom was still alive LOL.

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Omegus wrote:

LordOfTheSloths wrote:I guess you don't play much chess, do you? Or Monopoly. Or poker, for that matter. Because those games (among thousands of others) haven't changed rules in, oh, forever, so they must be "stagnant" and it must be "the same old stuff different day, where nothing is changed and everything is stale." Oh, wait a minute. People are still playing those games every day.

Last time I checked, there are a slew of variations on poker. Same thing for chess.

First off, I was referring to poker as in 5-card draw, the rules of which haven't changed. But if you count all the games that can be played with a 52-card poker deck, then it's analogous to various missions played in 40K, although the analogy doesn't go too far since you have far more possible variety in games in 40K than with all the current poker-type card games playable with a 52-card deck put together.

Second, none of the poker-type games has been put forward as a replacement for the games people were already playing. They were additional games that you can play with the same deck.

As for chess, I don't know what variations on the rules of chess you're referring to, but again it would be the same situation: alternative games played in addition to traditional chess as it's been played for centuries, not replacements for earlier games.

If card manufacturers were trying to replace the 52-card deck with, say, a 56-card deck, and demanding that everyone buy those new decks and play them according to new rules that value hands differently and change how cards are drawn, that would be analogous to GW imposing new editions.

So again, I maintain that there is no need for new editions other than GW's need to keep the money flowing, and they could make as much money by other means such as producing supplemental campaign books and additional models rather than replacements.

I won't be buying the new BGB - the current prices are ridiculous. I'll just find an alternative, like purchasing the smaller version from Ebay. However, I must have that laspack dice tin. It calls to me with a siren song of fanboy lust and retail gratification.
If by some absurd chance I have enough money/have a fit of insanity, I'll likely be getting the Gamers edition for that sexy leather bag with those pouches for the laspack tins.

My club is buying it for the club library (to assist the three players in the club who still play 40k - all of whom will buy the book themselves?)

I'll just read it once it's there. I'm not even going to get the minibook and the rest of the starter is also not of any interest to me.

LordOfTheSloths wrote:So again, I maintain that there is no need for new editions other than GW's need to keep the money flowing, and they could make as much money by other means such as producing supplemental campaign books and additional models rather than replacements.

QFT. Jake Thornton (former GW studio writer, and contributor to the rulebooks for Warhammer Fantasy Battle 6th, Mordheim and Blood Bowl, now writing the excellent Project Pandora for Mantic) had the following to say on his blog (http://quirkworthy.com/).

The problem with GW games is that there is a top-down drive for a new edition every so often, and this has nothing to do with whether the game needs changing or not from the viewpoint of the game itself. Warhammer could be the most perfect game in the world and it would still get new editions every so often. That’s just GW’s business model.

When I am so bored with 5th edition I've stopped playing but still build models, I'd say a new edition is justified.

They ARE a business though.I don't mind a shake-up every 4-5 years. The cost of the basic rules isn't what makes the game expensive. At $75 it's about $17 a year to know the rules to the game you play. I've played against people that I'd pay that for them to know them better....lol

Waiting for the mini-book via ebay...

What put me off the Big 'Ole Rulebook was that for the same price I can get myself a comfortable start on Bushido with some change left over, or 3 units of dystopian wars models with even more change left over (1 ika and 2 units of gunships, if anyone is wondering...)

LordOfTheSloths wrote:So again, I maintain that there is no need for new editions other than GW's need to keep the money flowing, and they could make as much money by other means such as producing supplemental campaign books and additional models rather than replacements.

So you're maintaining the idea that a company wants to keep money flowing?

Why, I never.

Lord - you can still play 5th edition if you want. Nothing stopping you.

People who enjoy a new challenge with the game-built-to-sell-models (odd how people forget that bit...) will buy the new edition.

Everybody knows the "fancy leather bag' is just leatherette, right? "Leatherette" is usually another word for "cheap vinyl with a leather print".

Is everyone on here physically deficient in some way. You won't buy the bbb because its to heavy to carry.
And some are willing to pay because of the cheap vinyl bag and Las pack tin.

I'm getting 6th because from what I've researched its a vast improvement on 5th. But I think I'll recuperate some of my money selling the 'tat' that comes with it on eBay.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

YakManDoo wrote:I was on the phone this morning dithering as to buy the thing or not with Neal from the Warstore. I had $75 to spend per the wife...I bought 2x Dust Tactics Axis Zombies, Apes and another unit...then I cried, risked death, bought the 6th ed basic edition and that fething skull servitor tape measure...now I owe Neal $150 and my wife is gonna have my legs broke!?!?!?!

That's pretty sad if you can't even spend your own money on stuff you want and instead you are whipped by your wife. Buy whatever you want dude, unless of course you're not making money.

Honestly I don't blame people who are waiting for the starter set, that's the important thing if you want to play the game! I like the big rulebook 'cause it has lots of pretty pictures n' stuff.

I bought the last two BBB - I'll buy this one.

Vlad hit the nail on its head. Unless your wife doesn't work and is soem stay at home housewife for some weird 1920s reason, you should have a bit of extra cash. If you and your wife were early in your career (in your 20s) - I'd udnerstand. If your in your 40s? Combined what? 80k a year if you didnt go to college? lol

It's an art book/nice rulebook. Buy it or don't. Wait for the starter kit. its more to enjoy the fluff/art then anything IMHO

I did a quick pole of our play group.

1 guy is going to buy it now
1 guy is going to buy it later once he has saved some money
2 guys are going to split several starter boxes and sell the extra two books to me and another player.

Between us we will have 6 rule books 2 BBB and 4 mini's. The other members of our play group will probably mooch.

i ordered the gamer's edition BRB because it looked cool and i wanted the tote bag.

I'm going to buy the book, if for nothing else than the fluff.

However, I feel 6E is where I stop 40k, at least for a while. I may play the occaisional game, but I won't likely buy anything new.

I'm not buying it simply because at this point in time I can't afford it and I've not had the chance to play for a while. I might get the starter set if its Dark Angels although saying that only if they are brand new models not just the Black Reach models with chapter symbols sculpted on like they are in the new paint set.

Not me.
I try to give GW as little of my money as possible. If I don't just go the Piratebay route (less said about that the better) I'll just wait a couple of months and pick up a second hand book on Ebay. Never give GW any money directly if you can help it. I can wait a bit for my copy if need be.

As an aside: 75$? Really? Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to buying extremely expensive large format hardback books. I have a shelf full of Schiffer Military books after all. But those are reference guides that will always hold their value, rather than a game rules set that will be replaced in five or six years and thus be worthless.

TR

Trench-Raider wrote:Not me.
I try to give GW as little of my money as possible. If I don't just go the Piratebay route (less said about that the better) I'll just wait a couple of months and pick up a second hand book on Ebay. Never give GW any money directly if you can help it. I can wait a bit for my copy if need be.

As an aside: 75$? Really? Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to buying extremely expensive large format hardback books. I have a shelf full of Schiffer Military books after all. But those are reference guides that will always hold their value, rather than a game rules set that will be replaced in five or six years and thus be worthless.

TR

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die.. as for big books i'm used to textbooks in college paying hundreds of dollars for some books (my dsm IV TR book in college aloen ran me almost $200, and thats just an example of one, there are pleanty of other medical texts running a few hundred a pop) i think i use it mroe than any of my old textbooks and enjoy it more. the fluff will be somethign to read as well and it'll look good on a shelf once i get a smaller rulebook. from a starter set. and i guess i dont' need some of my old hardback novels once i've read them but doesn't mean i want to get rid of them, i might go back to see old rules in my 5th edition book or read wheer the fluff was at

Bought the gamers version, psychic cards and templates, because I have a job that lets me. Not seeing the issue with a big book even if i didnt get the bag offer.

*Puts on eyepatch* Arr.

But yeah, it's either that route or wait a few months to get the little one on ebay. I'm a cheap bastard, and i can barely justify buying tanks and transports (but that's mostly because I play orks an I know that I can build my own from scratch that I will like better) let alone an expensive rulebook. I doubt i'll be getting into 6th for a while. I still have to finish my scratch-built super heavy after all.

Ill wait for a box set to come out and then wait for Ebay to start selling the little rule book. Although it looks like my oldest broho is thinking about buying one. The shop we goto sells GW stuff for 20% off, and if the cool guy is working, he usually throws in more shtuff for an even better deal.

I move to china for half a year late August, so will probably either take the time off 40k after the ATC in July, or just pick up the rules by osmosis. When I get back, if I want to stick with the hobby, then its gonna be the small book from the starter set.

G00fySmiley wrote:

Trench-Raider wrote:Not me.
I try to give GW as little of my money as possible. If I don't just go the Piratebay route (less said about that the better) I'll just wait a couple of months and pick up a second hand book on Ebay. Never give GW any money directly if you can help it. I can wait a bit for my copy if need be.

As an aside: 75$? Really? Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to buying extremely expensive large format hardback books. I have a shelf full of Schiffer Military books after all. But those are reference guides that will always hold their value, rather than a game rules set that will be replaced in five or six years and thus be worthless.

TR

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die.. as for big books i'm used to textbooks in college paying hundreds of dollars for some books (my dsm IV TR book in college aloen ran me almost $200, and thats just an example of one, there are pleanty of other medical texts running a few hundred a pop) i think i use it mroe than any of my old textbooks and enjoy it more. the fluff will be somethign to read as well and it'll look good on a shelf once i get a smaller rulebook. from a starter set. and i guess i dont' need some of my old hardback novels once i've read them but doesn't mean i want to get rid of them, i might go back to see old rules in my 5th edition book or read wheer the fluff was at

No if no one gives GW money directly, GW will die. The Hobby will go on as it did for 100+ years already.

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die

That's simply not true.
The hobby you are talking about is the miniature wargaming hobby, which would not die if GW were to fold tommorrow. As for the Warhammer 40k game itself, even the demise of GW as a company would not spell the end. People play OOP and unsuported games all the time, Look around the 'net. There are a suprising number of forums that support AD&D and other non-current editions of Dungeons and Dragons. Given the fairly high popularity of 40k, people would still be playing various editions of the game long after GW's departure from the scene.
Someone would probably come along and buy the 40k IP from the copyright holders in such a case anyway...

TR

...No? I'm pumped for the rumored Dark Angels versus Chaos Marines force in the box, it's going to be the first time ever that I actually play either army in the starter box!

What if there is NO Starter Rule book? Things can change right now. With all the people saying they will not get the BGB GW might just take away the starter book set to increase some sales for the BGB.

Don't be so proud on how you will use Ebay to buy your starter book. Might just not happen.

Well you never know with GW.

Davor wrote:What if there is NO Starter Rule book? Things can change right now. With all the people saying they will not get the BGB GW might just take away the starter book set to increase some sales for the BGB.

Don't be so proud on how you will use Ebay to buy your starter book. Might just not happen.

Well you never know with GW.

There will be a starter rule book.
Come on. Do you REALLY think that GW would pass up an opportunity to put out a new starter box for 6th edition and slap some crazy price like 200$ on it (or whatever it's going to be...) just because some people are saying they will pass on the over-priced hardback? Be honest now...

Also given their well known contempt for the online 40k community, do you also think that some posts on Dakka are going to sway GW in their release schedule in any way?

TR

G00fySmiley wrote:

Trench-Raider wrote:Not me.
I try to give GW as little of my money as possible. If I don't just go the Piratebay route (less said about that the better) I'll just wait a couple of months and pick up a second hand book on Ebay. Never give GW any money directly if you can help it. I can wait a bit for my copy if need be.

As an aside: 75$? Really? Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to buying extremely expensive large format hardback books. I have a shelf full of Schiffer Military books after all. But those are reference guides that will always hold their value, rather than a game rules set that will be replaced in five or six years and thus be worthless.

TR

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die..

No, if nobody gave GW money, GW would change its business model to reflect the reality that its customer base has finally revolted against its soak-'em-every-five-years, change-the-game-because-we-can-even-if-it-doesn't-need-it philosophy. At which point they might even cut their prices. You know, like when demand goes down, so do prices.


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Trench-Raider wrote:

Davor wrote:What if there is NO Starter Rule book? Things can change right now. With all the people saying they will not get the BGB GW might just take away the starter book set to increase some sales for the BGB.

Don't be so proud on how you will use Ebay to buy your starter book. Might just not happen.

Well you never know with GW.

There will be a starter rule book.
Come on. Do you REALLY think that GW would pass up an opportunity to put out a new starter box for 6th edition and slap some crazy price like 200$ on it (or whatever it's going to be...) just because some people are saying they will pass on the over-priced hardback? Be honest now...

Also given their well known contempt for the online 40k community, do you also think that some posts on Dakka are going to sway GW in their release schedule in any way?

TR

The only thing that will sway GW is significantly reduced demand, and as long as there are 9-year-old brats with ADD and daddies with too much money, sheep-like gamers who live to follow the flock, and fanboys hooked on plastic crack, that demand will likely remain high enough to support the current business model.

I still think it's time for a rallying point for dissatisfied GW customers who prefer earlier versions and need some way to arrange games with like-minded players. Maybe a Facebook page, or a new blog or other website (if I can come up with one that works).

Trench-Raider wrote:

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die

That's simply not true.
The hobby you are talking about is the miniature wargaming hobby, which would not die if GW were to fold tommorrow. As for the Warhammer 40k game itself, even the demise of GW as a company would not spell the end. People play OOP and unsuported games all the time, Look around the 'net. There are a suprising number of forums that support AD&D and other non-current editions of Dungeons and Dragons. Given the fairly high popularity of 40k, people would still be playing various editions of the game long after GW's departure from the scene.
Someone would probably come along and buy the 40k IP from the copyright holders in such a case anyway...

TR

I'm glad someone else beat me to it.

I hate how many people buy into GW's the HHHobby line.

The only thing that will sway GW is significantly reduced demand, and as long as there are 9-year-old brats with ADD and daddies with too much money, sheep-like gamers who live to follow the flock, and fanboys hooked on plastic crack, that demand will likely remain high enough to support the current business model.

Preach it, Brother!
A number of years back, GW was brazen enough to state on their investor relations page that their customer base was "price insensitive". It was an offensive thing to say, but it was largely true. It's also the root of the problem.
I do what i can though. I never, ever, give GW any money directly these days and encourage other to do likewise. Ebay (and the less than legtimate sources for the printed stuff) if your friend!

I still think it's time for a rallying point for dissatisfied GW customers who prefer earlier versions and need some way to arrange games with like-minded players. Maybe a Facebook page, or a new blog or other website (if I can come up with one that works).

I'm not so opimistic that GW's policies can be changed at this point. I'd rather just see them die as a company and let someone with some better business ethics buy the IP. That being said, I've been kicking around the idea of a "GW Book of Grudges" type web site for years. Kind of "Rogue Trader Cult" type site updated for today's enviorment. On it one could catalog all of GW's customer abuse and other shady deals from the 1992-3 "lead scare" and their shenanigans that acompanied the release of 2nd edition 40k to their more recent stunts. A blogger site is certainly a posibility. I never thought of the Facebook thing though. Good call on that one. I may have to revisit this idea.

and...

I hate how many people buy into GW's the HHHobby line.

Indeed.
The "GW hobby" is a myth and a cynical marketing tool.

TR

The only thing I'm going to buy is the the basic 6th ed rule book because it's the only thing I'll need to play 6th ed 40k and didn't mind paying the $72 (10% discount at my FLGS for pre-ordering it) for the book. I have dice, templates and a tape measure already and the rest of the items they're selling I don't really want. I didn't want to wait for the starter kit(s) because a) I want to be able to play ASAP, b) don't want what's inside the starter kit(s) if it is DA vs. Chaos and c) I prefer the larger font that the bigger book will give for ease of reading.

I can't justify paying $90 for a massive hardcover tomb that will be a chore to carry around and that I'll only ever read the first 100 pages of.

What is the typical spread between BBB and starter set?


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I can't justify paying $90 for a massive hardcover tomb that will be a chore to carry around and that I'll only ever read the first 100 pages of.

Well, that and the $90 is just the start of a long string of ever-more expensive codex book rewrites that are the price of the rulebooks for many competitor's games.

All i get is that small books, Do i decided to treat myself and get the big one
and TGF i hears its 2-3 months.