http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=&pIndex=1&aId=22200010a&multiPageMode=true&start=2

Available tomorrow looks like---I don't see a pricing point anywhere but suspect I'll flinch when I see the Cron price.

Brace for impact!

I suspect it will be the same Not Nice Price as the recent C: SM offering...

I'll be interested to see if GW updates the codexes to reflect changes in editions and FAQs.

I'm not advocating piracy, but when you only release stuff like this for a platform I don't own, I'm VERY interested in being able to bring it over to a platform I do own.

I pay for all my content; let me use it where I want.

Hmm, tactics articles on sale via PDF? Interesting move. I'm somewhat interested to see the quality of those articles-- Games Workshop tactics pieces tend to be very inconsistent in terms of quality-- but I doubt I'll be interested enough to actually pick this up, especially since I don't have an iPad. Could be a nice technique, though, and I suppose this rapid expansion of their digital line indicates that the initial Codex: Space Marines digital release was successful for Games Workshop.

I really wish they'd done a minicodex for all the existing armies when they came out with 6th edition. A quick "get you by" to do stuff like drop the price on FCW and make Hive Guard "Elite or HS"

Lorek wrote:I'm not advocating piracy, but when you only release stuff like this for a platform I don't own, I'm VERY interested in being able to bring it over to a platform I do own.

I pay for all my content; let me use it where I want.

My sentiments precisely.

I have been waiting for something like this for a while now. Something in electronic format, that would possibly be updated when erratas / FAQ's are released. But I am kinda annoyed with the fact that GW put this in a format that requires a certain brand and version of a rather expensive electronic device.

I love ya GW, but why do you have to make things so damned difficult for us?

The Ork bomber rules are going up as part of their digital copies? Like. Not only do I need the pay for the rules, but I also need a Ipad to even view the damn thing? That's fething stupid..... Why couldn't they put them up as a free PDF like they did for that one eldar tank....

Again.

It's NOT A PDF!

It's a different format that can't yet be converted to others OS.

Lorek wrote:I'm not advocating piracy, but when you only release stuff like this for a platform I don't own, I'm VERY interested in being able to bring it over to a platform I do own.

I pay for all my content; let me use it where I want.

It'll be interesting to see if anyone goes through the process of translating the iBook to an ePub and then localizing it for every android format. No wait, it'll be a miracle. You might be waiting a while.


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Sigvatr wrote:Again.

It's NOT A PDF!

It's a different format that can't yet be converted to others OS.

Yes it can.

Not really. The app that it is designed in has no equivalent on the other platforms.

So which level of alliance exists between GW and Apple? Battle brothers?

I think Desperate Allies, as each wants the biggest share of the money to be made.

Leth wrote:Not really. The app that it is designed in has no equivalent on the other platforms.

And yet you can convert iBooks to Epub books with only a week or two of work depending on the features used. The process of localization is much more time consuming. The "App it is designed in" is a windows or mac operating system.

Look fellers, they are going to release their digital books in the apple format and look at others In the future, we all know this for their release statements.

Must when have the same complaints every month inspite of knowing the above? It's not that I disagree but it does begin to grate after a while (one month as it turns out!).

The pricing is an interesting point though. I wouldn't have imagines GW going quite so in depth as to do individual painting guides for each Ork tribe.

I agree that it is stupid that there is no legal way anymore to get Storm Talon rules, WD being out of print. Offering Ork Bomma rules for a few rich people owning an ipad ("Starting at 499 $") is not the solution.

Codex crons in digital and 6th ed compliant.
So we either buy an i-book and the codex again or were stuck with an codex/Faq/BYB combo?

I agree there shouldn't be any rules as digital content only.

Are there any e-readers out there that can handle the apple format?

grizgrin wrote:Are there any e-readers out there that can handle the apple format?

None that can do it as-is.

grizgrin wrote:Are there any e-readers out there that can handle the apple format?

Don't believe so, Apple are not exactly "open source"

It will be interesting to see whether or not the digital codex is updated for 6th ed. I suspect that it will not be.

As usual, nice idea but wrong price. Count me out

spaceelf wrote:It will be interesting to see whether or not the digital codex is updated for 6th ed. I suspect that it will not be.

The necron one seems to be. Per GW:

Codex: Necrons
Codex: Necrons is your guide to the armies of the Necrons. This volume details the terrible history and advanced wargear of the Necrons, and provides full rules for fielding an army of these deathless robotic warriors in games of Warhammer 40,000. This expanded Codex includes interactive miniatures galleries, lavish colour artwork, and updated rules to match the latest edition of Warhammer 40,000.

So crons is updated but is there any news that the marine codex is updated?

C:SM has not been updated and the Necron price is actually lower than the SM one at $32.99 US.

So the pricing matches the physical versions.

I want digital copies and yes, I did buy the marine one and id love to have all of them on my iPad.

However I'm not buying another one unless the marine book gets updated. Receiving no response from gw from my email queries isn't encouraging.

Rare occurrence, smurfs getting the shaft. hopefully tau or IG come out soon so I actually have a reason to get one.

yeah,

1hadhq wrote:

spaceelf wrote:It will be interesting to see whether or not the digital codex is updated for 6th ed. I suspect that it will not be.

The necron one seems to be. Per GW:

Codex: Necrons
Codex: Necrons is your guide to the armies of the Necrons. This volume details the terrible history and advanced wargear of the Necrons, and provides full rules for fielding an army of these deathless robotic warriors in games of Warhammer 40,000. This expanded Codex includes interactive miniatures galleries, lavish colour artwork, and updated rules to match the latest edition of Warhammer 40,000.

GW! what a way to rub salt in the wounds! They want us to pay twice now for each codex.
For shame! we pay for the paperback codex when the new range launches, then again a few months later for a new upto date codex with extras...

We should only have to pay once and get both.

I made my point on the games workshop facebook page, quite a few others are making noise too, we can only hope once enough people complain that they listen.
I let them know that I won't buy at this price, especially having already bought the book once already!

Panic...

Has GW ever send you a new printed codex anytime there was a FAQ? Nothing has changed there.

Nobody is asking anybody to buy two books. The eCodex is only another option, the paper Codex is just as valid as it has ever been, and it will be updated the same way as is always has. Nothing is changing, there is no grand conspiracy, you can still go to the GW website right now and get your free FAQs to download and use with your already paid for Codex. Nobody is asking you to pay twice, so that is a stupid argument.

Why do you have to buy the eCodex? Because you want it, not because GW is forcing you to.

Panic wrote:yeah,

1hadhq wrote:

spaceelf wrote:It will be interesting to see whether or not the digital codex is updated for 6th ed. I suspect that it will not be.

The necron one seems to be. Per GW:

Codex: Necrons
Codex: Necrons is your guide to the armies of the Necrons. This volume details the terrible history and advanced wargear of the Necrons, and provides full rules for fielding an army of these deathless robotic warriors in games of Warhammer 40,000. This expanded Codex includes interactive miniatures galleries, lavish colour artwork, and updated rules to match the latest edition of Warhammer 40,000.

GW! what a way to rub salt in the wounds! They want us to pay twice now for each codex.
For shame! we pay for the paperback codex when the new range launches, then again a few months later for a new upto date codex with extras...

We should only have to pay once and get both.

I made my point on the games workshop facebook page, quite a few others are making noise too, we can only hope once enough people complain that they listen.
I let them know that I won't buy at this price, especially having already bought the book once already!

Panic...

I know right! And digital copies should be dirt cheap!

Its like them trying to charge me for the kindle version of that hardback I already paid for!!!!

I mean, there is NO precedent for that in electronic publishing!

(note; this post contains sarcasm, and irony in pointing out logical fallacies and a complete disconnection to the real world).

davethepak wrote:

Panic wrote:yeah,

1hadhq wrote:

spaceelf wrote:It will be interesting to see whether or not the digital codex is updated for 6th ed. I suspect that it will not be.

The necron one seems to be. Per GW:

Codex: Necrons
Codex: Necrons is your guide to the armies of the Necrons. This volume details the terrible history and advanced wargear of the Necrons, and provides full rules for fielding an army of these deathless robotic warriors in games of Warhammer 40,000. This expanded Codex includes interactive miniatures galleries, lavish colour artwork, and updated rules to match the latest edition of Warhammer 40,000.

GW! what a way to rub salt in the wounds! They want us to pay twice now for each codex.
For shame! we pay for the paperback codex when the new range launches, then again a few months later for a new upto date codex with extras...

We should only have to pay once and get both.

I made my point on the games workshop facebook page, quite a few others are making noise too, we can only hope once enough people complain that they listen.
I let them know that I won't buy at this price, especially having already bought the book once already!

Panic...

I know right! And digital copies should be dirt cheap!

Its like them trying to charge me for the kindle version of that hardback I already paid for!!!!

I mean, there is NO precedent for that in electronic publishing!

(note; this post contains sarcasm, and irony in pointing out logical fallacies and a complete disconnection to the real world).

I went to Barnes & Noble the other day to get a book I really enjoyed on my Nook. The employees stopped me at the door and wanted me to pay for it. I told them "I already paid for a digital copy, it should come with a physical copy for free!" Those bastards threw me out!

Hey guys they did update the Space Marine Codex. All you got to do is delete and re-download it and you got the 6th ED codex, just wanted you guys to know.


And stop crying it cost so much life cost allot get over it.

Looking over the cron one now...one interesting find;

Lychguard Hyperphase swords are listed as S User AP 3. So guess that ends the "It's an axe!" debate.

yeah,
Your right, on reading it again I can see there are no valid complaints in my post at all.
How could I be so stupid.. I'm sorry it won't happen again, I promise.

Panic...

d-usa wrote:Has GW ever send you a new printed codex anytime there was a FAQ? Nothing has changed there.

GW didn't ever to my knowledge introduce a printed codex for the first time just a month or two prior to the release of an edition that would change significant portions of that one or two month old product. The electronic version was released likely at the same time or after the new edition was sent to the printer. Also, it's alot easier to update an electronic product on the consumer end than a printed one. The two situations are not really comparable.

While no offer of free updates was technically included with the electronic codex, I do hope that GW doesn't squander some of the goodwill they garnered by releasing it in the first place.

warboss wrote:

d-usa wrote:Has GW ever send you a new printed codex anytime there was a FAQ? Nothing has changed there.

GW didn't ever to my knowledge introduce a printed codex for the first time just a month or two prior to the release of an edition that would change significant portions of that one or two month old product. The electronic version was released likely at the same time or after the new edition was sent to the printer. Also, it's alot easier to update an electronic product on the consumer end than a printed one. The two situations are not really comparable.

While no offer of free updates was technically included with the electronic codex, I do hope that GW doesn't squander some of the goodwill they garnered by releasing it in the first place.

They are two different products, and you can buy either. Nobody is forcing you to buy both, although that is the argument people are making.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Looking over the cron one now...one interesting find;

Lychguard Hyperphase swords are listed as S User AP 3. So guess that ends the "It's an axe!" debate.

inb4 TFG stating that it's an oversight, pointing at the BRB.

I'd love to get one of these, but since I don't own an IPad...sucks.

I'm actually more concerned about the other rules that aren't available elsewhere. At least the FAQs can be accessed from any web-capable PC, which I've seen at every game store I've been to, or at your local library. They're very accessible.

Rules for the Ork Bomma? Not so much. (And if I'm wrong on that, PLEASE let me know. I've been very out of touch for the past three months).

Panic wrote:yeah,
Your right, on reading it again I can see there are no valid complaints in my post at all.
How could I be so stupid.. I'm sorry it won't happen again, I promise.

Panic...

You do realise updates are avalable for free right? In the FAQ's?

Also, a little fact I found out, Apple and android have about the same number of users, but the app store has 6 times the sales of the google store (yes, I know its not the only place to buy android apps, but most people do only use it). This and the much lower levels of piracy on apple could just be why they are releasing on apple first. It's not like the e version is the only version, but the android market is tiny.

It being the only place for the ork flyer rules is a little annoying, but ill give it a few weeks to see if they go up online befor getting angry that I can't get to them.

lord_blackfang wrote:So which level of alliance exists between GW and Apple? Battle brothers?

Apple is The Emperor of Mankind

GW is a new recruit

What Games Workshop should have done, of course, is gone all-out, partnered with Foxconn and made their own tablets. Why split the pie with Apple? They're missing a golden opportunity here.

Ouze wrote:What Games Workshop should have done, of course, is gone all-out, partnered with Foxconn and made their own tablets. Why split the pie with Apple? They're missing a golden opportunity here.

Gothic data-slate. They could probably get away with a re-skinned iPad with some funky gothic engravings. Costs twice as much of course.

yeah,
People paid for the WD to get the Ork bomber rules and have them valid for only 2months before they were out of date and needed FAQ'd.

And then release a 6th editin copy of the bomber rules and ask for yet another £3!
£3 for 14 pages mostly taken from white dwarf and the website!?

Why not have these rules included in the box or as a PDF on the website. It's pure greed.

Panic...

For those who've got the fancy new 'Cron Dex:

Anything new in it that's not covered by the FAQ?

More generally:

Anyone know if GW is going to do a re-print of the 'Cron Dex to bring it in line with the new e-version?

PrinceOfMadness wrote:For those who've got the fancy new 'Cron Dex:

Anything new in it that's not covered by the FAQ?

More

They list Hyperphase swords as specifically being Str as user AP 3.

In australia the Digital Necron codex is $36. The book from GW is $55. Im pretty happy to be saving $19 and getting a copy that seems to get updated and is more portable. Im sorry you guys in the rest of the world aren't happy with the price (which I understand). But GW have been giving us Aussies a hard time for a while now...

I'm really happy with GW on this.

I've just bought the Space Marine iBook and I can also confirm that it has been updated with the FAQ.

army310 wrote:Hey guys they did update the Space Marine Codex. All you got to do is delete and re-download it and you got the 6th ED codex, just wanted you guys to know.

If true, my opinion just changes radically. I'll try that out in a bit. Thank you for the heads up.

clively wrote:

army310 wrote:Hey guys they did update the Space Marine Codex. All you got to do is delete and re-download it and you got the 6th ED codex, just wanted you guys to know.

If true, my opinion just changes radically. I'll try that out in a bit. Thank you for the heads up.

It is true.

Thanks for the update GW but odd how they haven't mentioned that it's been updated on their site.

Necrox codex is really nicely done with all the photos of the new models including Orikan and Anrakyr who aren't out yet.

Agree with everyone else on the other nonsense they're releasing like the Ork Bommer and tactics, what is White Dwarf for if not for tactics and chapter approved, oh no sorry it's all advertising which is why I haven't bought one in ages!

I bough the skull vane manse scenario book. We played it and it was quite fun. I'm quite a fan of their new releases.

1hadhq wrote:

spaceelf wrote:It will be interesting to see whether or not the digital codex is updated for 6th ed. I suspect that it will not be.

The necron one seems to be. Per GW:

Codex: Necrons
Codex: Necrons is your guide to the armies of the Necrons. This volume details the terrible history and advanced wargear of the Necrons, and provides full rules for fielding an army of these deathless robotic warriors in games of Warhammer 40,000. This expanded Codex includes interactive miniatures galleries, lavish colour artwork, and updated rules to match the latest edition of Warhammer 40,000.

Well, GW is full of surprises. I am usually quite critical of them, however this is a good development and they deserve praise.

If they released the codex in a format that most people can use on their computers/phones then they would sell more of them.

GW is actually supporting their product proactively and intuitively...it's getting very difficult to deny buying an iPad now. A lot of people I know love them, and now two of my three armies have digital codexes...If their next release is Blood Angels, I'm going straight to the Apple Store in my area.

spaceelf wrote:

1hadhq wrote:

spaceelf wrote:It will be interesting to see whether or not the digital codex is updated for 6th ed. I suspect that it will not be.

The necron one seems to be. Per GW:

Codex: Necrons
Codex: Necrons is your guide to the armies of the Necrons. This volume details the terrible history and advanced wargear of the Necrons, and provides full rules for fielding an army of these deathless robotic warriors in games of Warhammer 40,000. This expanded Codex includes interactive miniatures galleries, lavish colour artwork, and updated rules to match the latest edition of Warhammer 40,000.

Well, GW is full of surprises. I am usually quite critical of them, however this is a good development and they deserve praise.

If they released the codex in a format that most people can use on their computers/phones then they would sell more of them.

Indeed and confirms (hopefully) that all Codexes released in this format will be 6th Edition compatible.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId&categoryId§ion&pIndex=2&aId=22200010a&start=3&multiPageMode=true

Above link just posted via GW's facebook page. It cinfirns what others have already posted. Delete the Codex if already bought and download again.

the price kin depends on if it is "one time" or not.

If i fork out the money for the Necron "digi-dex", will it be auto-updated when new Erratas and FAQs come out? If a new unit comes out in WD or FW for example will my snazzy digi-dex get a OTA update with the new rules?

If not then what does it deliver that a normal 'dex and a rulebook doesn't?

Praxiss wrote:the price kin depends on if it is "one time" or not.

If i fork out the money for the Necron "digi-dex", will it be auto-updated when new Erratas and FAQs come out? If a new unit comes out in WD or FW for example will my snazzy digi-dex get a OTA update with the new rules?

If not then what does it deliver that a normal 'dex and a rulebook doesn't?

It delivers a digital codex that you can read on your iPad? People would buy it for the same reason they buy any ebook. Because they like that format better. What benefit does any ebook have over a physical book?

Confirmed that the space marine dex has the latest FAQs rolled into it. Nice.

I'll end up buying all of the iPad codexes as they are released.

Yes, I already own physical copies; however, the in page links to rules descriptions on wargear is vastly better than constantly page flipping.

One thing I would like to see ( and I have no idea if this is even possible ) would be for the entries that say " see 40k rule book page xxx" to be replaced with an actual link to the digital rule book when it's available. That would rock.

Regardless, I'm happy. Incidentally this was the only reason I even bought an iPad.

d-usa wrote:What benefit does any ebook have over a physical book?

Benefits? Hmmm.... do I carry around a huge nerd-pile of codices on top of my 6th Edition rulebook or just carry around my iPad?

Breotan wrote:

d-usa wrote:What benefit does any ebook have over a physical book?

Benefits? Hmmm.... do I carry around a huge nerd-pile of codices on top of my 6th Edition rulebook or just carry around my iPad?

I think the bigger question would be why you'd carry around your entire codex collection in the first place to a game. Are you providing all the armies and reference material to a 4v4 game every single time you play? Or are you just being ridiculous to make a point that an ipad (which has many uses besides just for 40k rules) that you may carry with you regardless can do that duty also for some modest weight savings as well?

Breotan wrote:

d-usa wrote:What benefit does any ebook have over a physical book?

Benefits? Hmmm.... do I carry around a huge nerd-pile of codices on top of my 6th Edition rulebook or just carry around my iPad?

It was mostly a rhetorical question in reply to "what makes it better than a regular Codex".

I'd really like to see the main rulebook put up for sale. That'll cinch my tablet choice, assuming GW keeps it up. It'll probably be a while as they'd rather not canabalize their hardback sales.

warboss wrote:

Breotan wrote:

d-usa wrote:What benefit does any ebook have over a physical book?

Benefits? Hmmm.... do I carry around a huge nerd-pile of codices on top of my 6th Edition rulebook or just carry around my iPad?

I think the bigger question would be why you'd carry around your entire codex collection in the first place to a game. Are you providing all the armies and reference material to a 4v4 game every single time you play? Or are you just being ridiculous to make a point that an ipad (which has many uses besides just for 40k rules) that you may carry with you regardless can do that duty also for some modest weight savings as well?

I have many times appreciated the fact that i have a digital copy of every codex with me when I'm gaming. it's useful.

You know your a 40K addict when your willing to buy a $500 Ipad to view digital versions of codex that's available in print, and you most likely already own.

I have 2 thoughts on the matter

1.) Having Ipad only alienates at least half of the Tablet Market.

2.) It would have been cooler if they followed suit with the DVD market and have future book purchases include a code for the downloading of a digital copy.

adamsouza wrote:You know your a 40K addict when your willing to buy a $500 Ipad to view digital versions of codex that's available in print, and you most likely already own.

I have 2 thoughts on the matter

1.) Having Ipad only alienates at least half of the Tablet Market.

If by half you literally mean half including formats that can't support interactive or media rich ebooks and thus are largely pointless in this conversation. The iPad ebook format dwarfs the Android market. Android users are self important for their "alternative", but they're a bit of a minority in the high end.

And not to bang this gong to death but again, its not like GW made a file that can work on any platform and then just randomly chose Apple to deploy it on. The actual tools and protections provided by authoring in Apple's ibooks format almost certainly have a large role in GW choosing to go ahead and put out digital books. Again, I'm not a programmer, but from what I've heard, authoring rich interactive books like these are much, much easier to do in ibooks 2.0 than any other format, so again the fact that such a format exists with such protections against piracy and an easy to use secure store is likely responsible for GW to decide to actually go ahead with the project in the first place.

In other words, without the apple store, the ipad and the ibook 2.0 format, GW likely would have just continued on without putting out any digital products for who knows how much longer.

I don't know what's worse the GW Fainboi mentality or the Apple Fan Boi mentality.

Ibooks 2.0 Format isn't magic. It's a deliberate proprietary format to force you to use Apple Hardware.

Apple has been really succesful targeting the masses that don't know the difference between an Ipod and an MP3 player.

GW is practically the APPLE of the gaming world, so it makes sense they would form an unholy alliance.

Truthfully, answer the following question.

Most Warhammer 40K players own ?
A.) An Ipad
B.) A PC
C.) A Tablet manufactured by anyone other than Apple(that would handle PC format files)

If you answered A your delusional.

GW entered the digital arena catering to the minority that have money to burn on a brand name niche product.

adamsouza wrote:I don't know what's worse the GW Fainboi mentality or the Apple Fan Boi mentality.

Ibooks 2.0 Format isn't magic. It's a deliberate proprietary format to force you to use Apple Hardware.

Apple has been really succesful targeting the masses that don't know the difference between an Ipod and an MP3 player.

GW is practically the APPLE of the gaming world, so it makes sense they would form an unholy alliance.

Truthfully, answer the following question.

Most Warhammer 40K players own ?
A.) An Ipad
B.) A PC
C.) A Tablet manufactured by anyone other than Apple(that would handle PC format files)

If you answered A your delusional.

GW entered the digital arena catering to the minority to have money to burn on a brand name niche product.

Nope, no delusions here. The answer to your question is clearly 'B' and is obviously not the market that GW is interested in pursuing.

Now, GW likes to make money, so why would they go after a digital market that is clearly much smaller than the overall PC market even though they're cutting themselves off from a huge chunk of people by doing so?

Because the authoring of ibooks is easier, because the format is locked and proprietary and because I'm sure they feel that if they're going to go down this road they want to make a superior product to their print books, which this format on this platform lets them do that (or at least lets them believe they do that).

adamsouza wrote:I don't know what's worse the GW Fainboi mentality or the Apple Fan Boi mentality.

Ibooks 2.0 Format isn't magic. It's a deliberate proprietary format to force you to use Apple Hardware.

Apple has been really succesful targeting the masses that don't know the difference between an Ipod and an MP3 player.

GW is practically the APPLE of the gaming world, so it makes sense they would form an unholy alliance.

Truthfully, answer the following question.

Most Warhammer 40K players own ?
A.) An Ipad
B.) A PC
C.) A Tablet manufactured by anyone other than Apple(that would handle PC format files)

If you answered A your delusional.

GW entered the digital arena catering to the minority that have money to burn on a brand name niche product.

Let me post this one again.





There is no monetized ebook format for non mobile devices so the PC argument is entirely irrelevant. They're not going to give it to you for free, stop wanting it for free. Android users don't buy things. The market is a mess, it's heavily fragmented in OS (there are at least five major regional north american markets) and the device fragmentation features literally thousands of different devices with different hardware. No one goes android first, it's a loss leader. Android users don't buy things and the copy protection is almost nil.

Yackface, I agree with your assesment of the situation, and will let the subject rest, but I still stand by earlier thoughts on the subject.

My question is this: why digital comes at the same price to the client? (more expensive indeed, you need to buy it from GW, and GW dont offer any reatil discount)

It should be cheaper, due to value agregated, to physical form and the very production cost per unit sold...

As it is not, i will not bitch about it, i will not buy. I alredy feel very strange paying for what is an advertising book (they sell miniatures, everything else is just an excuse to sell miniatures). And if in some time it start to affect game play (like "digital owners have new units" or "digital owner can buy mini books with new units") i can just quit the game, like i have done with magic.

GW miniatures increase their value by 20% per year... It is like storing gold

adamsouza wrote: -SNIP-
GW entered the digital arena catering to the minority that have money to burn on a brand name niche product.

I would think that this answer your question right there. Money to burn = where GW wants to be.

If they were available for the kindle fire, I'd be interested. I understand why they started small, these codexes are probably rather expensive to develop with all the interactive features they have. And being instantly updated is probably a pain, too, but very cool.

But just remember, when the battery goes out on the iPod, are tou still left with a usable codex? No, probably not, unless you bought the actual book.

Where is everyone getting these ipads for 500 dollars?
Bestbuy - $399.99

Shoot, I just got one off of ebay for $250.

I think what most people are not getting (well, as few have indeed pointed this out) is that its not about "market share" or "who has money to burn" ...its about "what format can we publish to that wont end up on a torrent in 20 min later...".

Personally, while I think the current version is cool...it is not what I want or need...I would be happy with a basic book with the rules that I can easily look at. This format (the ibook) and presentation (you have to select a rule to see it) gives them an amazing amount of copy protection.

Note that I hate copy protection (have for years), but here it makes sense for them. Honestly, I would love to see a real digital dex (as opposed to these multimedia "showcases") but given the state of the net, would they make more off them?

I would love to see them take a chance, and hope that the number of people who would actually buy one (I would) that is reasonably priced would offset the actual lost sales...

But therein lies the issue...I would have to be a "reasonable price" ....which makes the scenario even less likely.

I have never owned an iPhone and dont intend to, i prefer Android....for phones.


Lets be honest, if you could go out and buy any tablet, most people would probably buy an iPad. I know i would.

unfortunately, buyign one purely so i can get these digi-dexes is not really justification enough for me....or the wife.

I don't know.

I'm actually interested in getting these now.

davethepak wrote:But therein lies the issue...I would have to be a "reasonable price" ....which makes the scenario even less likely.

Depends where you live. For Australians, the iBook codices are cheaper than the physical books. About 25% cheaper.

I'm impressed that they updated the Space Marine one for free. The old boys are starting to make me happy again (I like the new rules too.) If they release them for 2 or more of the armies I collect, I'll go out and get an ipad. I hate having to use a rulebook, a codex, AND a FAQ to see how the rules work. Checking 3 documents for one rules query is ridiculous.

Here's hoping they do the same for all the codices. And update them whenever something new is descovered (lets not forget that eventually the FAQs will be updated 5 times over).

Given that it can't be that easy to update these digital books in all the different languages they publish in, I wonder if the presence of the digital books will actually slow the release of new FAQ updates?

It seems like it would. Because before all they had to do was get all the FAQs translated (which alone seems like it would be a bit of a hassle) but now presumably they would need to do the same for all the different language versions of the digital books.

And moreso, the process of updating these ebooks seems to be rather counterintuitive...the fact that GW had to put up an add on their site to help announce that the book had been updated is a bad sign. It means there is no easy pipeline for ebook updates in the apple ibooks store like they have for app updates.

That means everytime GW would want to update their ebooks they would have to put out a new advertisement on their site announcing it...because otherwise those that already own it have literally no idea that an update has been released.


So I'm kind of thinking this SM update happened because of 6th edition, not because it represents a regular plan to update the book...obviously the next time a FAQ update is released for the SM codex we'll see what happens.

ShumaGorath wrote:

adamsouza wrote:I don't know what's worse the GW Fainboi mentality or the Apple Fan Boi mentality.

Ibooks 2.0 Format isn't magic. It's a deliberate proprietary format to force you to use Apple Hardware.

Apple has been really succesful targeting the masses that don't know the difference between an Ipod and an MP3 player.

GW is practically the APPLE of the gaming world, so it makes sense they would form an unholy alliance.

Truthfully, answer the following question.

Most Warhammer 40K players own ?
A.) An Ipad
B.) A PC
C.) A Tablet manufactured by anyone other than Apple(that would handle PC format files)

If you answered A your delusional.

GW entered the digital arena catering to the minority that have money to burn on a brand name niche product.

Let me post this one again.





There is no monetized ebook format for non mobile devices so the PC argument is entirely irrelevant. They're not going to give it to you for free, stop wanting it for free. Android users don't buy things. The market is a mess, it's heavily fragmented in OS (there are at least five major regional north american markets) and the device fragmentation features literally thousands of different devices with different hardware. No one goes android first, it's a loss leader. Android users don't buy things and the copy protection is almost nil.

Although Apple currently leads the Tablet market, laptops and cellphones are far more prevalent.

The fact that some people are willing to buy ipads for the purpose of reading codicies shows why miniature wargames cost so much. Gamers are nuts.

-Loki- wrote:

davethepak wrote:But therein lies the issue...I would have to be a "reasonable price" ....which makes the scenario even less likely.

Depends where you live. For Australians, the iBook codices are cheaper than the physical books. About 25% cheaper.

Probably because they haven't realised yet. Best to keep quiet

Fosner1703 wrote:Where is everyone getting these ipads for 500 dollars?
Bestbuy - $399.99

Shoot, I just got one off of ebay for $250.

That's perfectly functional, but it's an older model with no cell data hardware, thus the reason it's cheaper.

Not that that is bad, just that a big use-case for tablets is 'email and web surfing while traveling' which works better with cell data service.

Balance wrote:

Fosner1703 wrote:Where is everyone getting these ipads for 500 dollars?
Bestbuy - $399.99

Shoot, I just got one off of ebay for $250.

That's perfectly functional, but it's an older model with no cell data hardware, thus the reason it's cheaper.

Not that that is bad, just that a big use-case for tablets is 'email and web surfing while traveling' which works better with cell data service.

FWIW, I don't have 3G on mine and I like it plenty. I've yet to travel very far at all without finding free wifi. The mall, the grocery store, airports, trains, hotels, fast food places... The only place it doesn't work is in the car, which doesn't bother me much.

Ours is without 3G. We use it at home (wifi), in hotels (wifi), anyplace where I would use my laptop (work, coffee shop, book store - all wifi). And if we do need to use it while we are anywhere without wifi then we can use our phone as a hot-spot.

Wi-Fi is so prevalent now that it is easy to get away with wifi only iPads.

And that is a much cheaper option as not only is the actual iPad cheaper, but you don't hav he monthly contract as well. We use ours 99% of the time at home so paying extra for 3G would've been a waste.

Written on my iPad.

Although Apple currently leads the Tablet market, laptops and cellphones are far more prevalent.

The fact that some people are willing to buy ipads for the purpose of reading codicies shows why miniature wargames cost so much. Gamers are nuts.

There is no monetized ebook format on PCs. Why do people keep thinking that the prevalence of PCs matters? GW would make no money and its products would be pirated heavily if it started releasing high quality PDFs of it's print books.

adamsouza wrote:You know your a 40K addict when your willing to buy a $500 Ipad to view digital versions of codex that's available in print, and you most likely already own.

Um, about that, I already own an iPad and plan to put my physical copies on eBay as I replace them.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Although Apple currently leads the Tablet market, laptops and cellphones are far more prevalent.

The fact that some people are willing to buy ipads for the purpose of reading codicies shows why miniature wargames cost so much. Gamers are nuts.

There is no monetized ebook format on PCs. Why do people keep thinking that the prevalence of PCs matters? GW would make no money and its products would be pirated heavily if it started releasing high quality PDFs of it's print books.

There most certainly are monetized ebook formats on PCs. It includes the Kindle PC app, Sony reader for PC, Microsoft reader, Google ebooks, etc.

spaceelf wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Although Apple currently leads the Tablet market, laptops and cellphones are far more prevalent.

The fact that some people are willing to buy ipads for the purpose of reading codicies shows why miniature wargames cost so much. Gamers are nuts.

There is no monetized ebook format on PCs. Why do people keep thinking that the prevalence of PCs matters? GW would make no money and its products would be pirated heavily if it started releasing high quality PDFs of it's print books.

There most certainly are monetized ebook formats on PCs. It includes the Kindle PC app, Sony reader for PC, Microsoft reader, Google ebooks, etc.

Now show me some sales metrics that make those anything other than the novelties designed to support the mobile ecosystem that they are. After that find examples of rich media content pushed to those services making a profit or large print gaming books published there without impacting physical sales due to piracy. You won't. Those markets are microscopic and they aren't the ones GW are in.

ShumaGorath wrote:

spaceelf wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Although Apple currently leads the Tablet market, laptops and cellphones are far more prevalent.

The fact that some people are willing to buy ipads for the purpose of reading codicies shows why miniature wargames cost so much. Gamers are nuts.

There is no monetized ebook format on PCs. Why do people keep thinking that the prevalence of PCs matters? GW would make no money and its products would be pirated heavily if it started releasing high quality PDFs of it's print books.

There most certainly are monetized ebook formats on PCs. It includes the Kindle PC app, Sony reader for PC, Microsoft reader, Google ebooks, etc.

Now show me some sales metrics that make those anything other than the novelties designed to support the mobile ecosystem that they are. After that find examples of rich media content pushed to those services making a profit or large print gaming books published there without impacting physical sales due to piracy. You won't. Those markets are microscopic and they aren't the ones GW are in.

Beaten to the punch by Shuma. All of those "PC" formats are mobile formats that are also available on PCs. Usually the PC apps are made as an afterthought so mobile users can access their purchases. No way are they intended as an independent revenue stream.

ShumaGorath wrote:

spaceelf wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Although Apple currently leads the Tablet market, laptops and cellphones are far more prevalent.

The fact that some people are willing to buy ipads for the purpose of reading codicies shows why miniature wargames cost so much. Gamers are nuts.

There is no monetized ebook format on PCs. Why do people keep thinking that the prevalence of PCs matters? GW would make no money and its products would be pirated heavily if it started releasing high quality PDFs of it's print books.

There most certainly are monetized ebook formats on PCs. It includes the Kindle PC app, Sony reader for PC, Microsoft reader, Google ebooks, etc.

Now show me some sales metrics that make those anything other than the novelties designed to support the mobile ecosystem that they are. After that find examples of rich media content pushed to those services making a profit or large print gaming books published there without impacting physical sales due to piracy. You won't. Those markets are microscopic and they aren't the ones GW are in.

The fact stands that a publisher can create an electronic document which is viewable on PCs, and sell that document through major online retailers such as Google, Amazon, and Sony. Many name authors and publishers do so and make a hefty profit.

It is my understanding that the current generation of ebook formats support rich media. These include epub.

Although piracy is a concern to publishers, Apple's software is not pirate proof. GWs ebooks would have been safe enough being distributed through Amazon.

The fact of the matter is the GW chose Apple, and in so doing lost lots of potential customers.

spaceelf wrote:
...snip...
The fact of the matter is the GW chose Apple, and in so doing lost lots of potential customers.

I think you are missing 2 parts.

First, there is almost no reason to publish to a PC format. One of the major reasons for doing an ebook is so that you can have all of the rules with you when you are at the game store. It's unlikely you'll want to lug that PC (or even most laptops) around; and if you are home bound with it, then why would you buy an ebook anyway? Just get the physical codex.

Second iPad dominates the market, so that is exactly where you start with a "new" product. Android has issues, lots of them. It is fractured to the point that you have to work much harder to ensure an acceptable level of quality across so many devices with varying capabilities. Because of that there is no way I'd ever consider starting with Android when getting into mobile. The next closest thing is a Kindle.. which has a lot of device limitations.. and a much much smaller share of the market.

So, no, GW didn't "lose" lots of potential customers by choosing Apple. They hit the largest part of the market by choosing them and delivering a product that uses a great portion of the feature set available to them for that format.

spaceelf wrote:
...snip...
It is my understanding that the current generation of ebook formats support rich media. These include epub.

Whether a format supports rich media or not is not really germane. The real question is whether the device itself does. Kindle Fire, for example, doesn't support ePub. ePub has to be converted into something it does understand... and every time you convert a file you are going to lose something.

The fact stands that a publisher can create an electronic document which is viewable on PCs, and sell that document through major online retailers such as Google, Amazon, and Sony. Many name authors and publishers do so and make a hefty profit.

No, many authors sell books to the mobile markets that those companies serve. That they are viewable on a PC isn't even a consideration. There is no market for digital books to PCs. Without tablets none of this would exist (and didn't before e-readers).

It is my understanding that the current generation of ebook formats support rich media. These include epub.

And not all tablets can utilize rich media content delivered in ePub format. Very few E-ink display devices can use rich media formatted E-pub books (very few being none). After amazon and sonys ereader market, the iPad and the kindle fire there is almost no such thing as a digital book market. The android book market is almost a joke. It's as fractured and filled with spamware and fremium values as the actual android marketplace.

You have a very inaccurate read on the state of digital books.

Although piracy is a concern to publishers, Apple's software is not pirate proof. GWs ebooks would have been safe enough being distributed through Amazon.

To my knowledge there is no current method to pirate iBooks outside of rooting an apple device or running it in a virtualized developers kit environment. Neither of these things lend themselves to mass piracy and both require above average technical skill.

The fact of the matter is the GW chose Apple, and in so doing lost lots of potential customers.

They also could of filled the books with porn or simply mailed people burgers with their purchase. The iBook format is the only respectable current rich media format for books. It's the largest, safest, and easiest marketplace to enter. That's the end of the story.

Android users: wanting to be hipster by using an open source operating system that has been adapted for multiple devices and hardware platforms in order to stick it to the man who keeps tight control over how iOS is implemented. They can tinker around with it all they want and make any modifications that they want.

They they get angry when something is released on the one stable medium where GW knows it will work on every device out there.

Hey!

I got my Droid phone because it's awesome, not because I'm some silly hipster. Still, why would you want to read a codex on your phone. That's just silly.

I had a droid for two years, main reason I switched to the iPhone was because we had an iPad already and a couple iPods (including the touch). So for us it was just easier to have everything be one system.

Tablets have the same problem with being fragmented into different hardware and software builds though.

ShumaGorath wrote:There is no market for digital books to PCs.

Counter-point: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/

I have had a Droid phone for the last few years and prefer it to an iPhone.


But Tablets are a different animal to Phones.

The only reason i am annoyed about the new stuff being on an iPad is that i can't afford one. But i am tempted to splash out just so i can get the digi-dexes.

I can only imagine that this is the first step towards everythgin being put out digitally in the future, possibel with an eye to gettign rid of hardcopy books altogether? i suppose going all digital woudl save GW a lot of money in printing, shipping etc.

Chrysis wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:There is no market for digital books to PCs.

Counter-point: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/

Counter-point: http://www.alexa.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Frpg.drivethrustuff.com&r=home_home&p=bigtop

Chrysis wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:There is no market for digital books to PCs.

Counter-point: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/

I don't even understand how that site is a counterpoint. Because it lets you download PDFs? Which are viewable on tablets. It's not a PC-proprietary format or anything, which would add weight to the argument that PCs can be a platform on their own. All of those formats on the site are perfectly capable of being downloaded to and read by my iPad. There's nothing on that site that implies PCs are even their main revenue stream.

clively wrote:

spaceelf wrote:
...snip...
The fact of the matter is the GW chose Apple, and in so doing lost lots of potential customers.

I think you are missing 2 parts.

First, there is almost no reason to publish to a PC format. One of the major reasons for doing an ebook is so that you can have all of the rules with you when you are at the game store. It's unlikely you'll want to lug that PC (or even most laptops) around; and if you are home bound with it, then why would you buy an ebook anyway? Just get the physical codex.

I have seen people use laptops during games at my FLGS. Some netbooks are not much larger than the ipad. Also, some people play at home, and thus the computer is not lugged anywhere.

clively wrote:
Second iPad dominates the market, so that is exactly where you start with a "new" product. Android has issues, lots of them. It is fractured to the point that you have to work much harder to ensure an acceptable level of quality across so many devices with varying capabilities. Because of that there is no way I'd ever consider starting with Android when getting into mobile. The next closest thing is a Kindle.. which has a lot of device limitations.. and a much much smaller share of the market.

So, no, GW didn't "lose" lots of potential customers by choosing Apple. They hit the largest part of the market by choosing them and delivering a product that uses a great portion of the feature set available to them for that format.

My point is that there are many people that have PCs that do not have ipads. GW has potentially lost those customers. They could have published in a format that is readable on all devices.

spaceelf wrote:
...snip...
It is my understanding that the current generation of ebook formats support rich media. These include epub.

clively wrote:
Whether a format supports rich media or not is not really germane. The real question is whether the device itself does. Kindle Fire, for example, doesn't support ePub. ePub has to be converted into something it does understand... and every time you convert a file you are going to lose something.

It is my understanding that the Kindle Fire supports rich media.

spaceelf wrote:
The fact stands that a publisher can create an electronic document which is viewable on PCs, and sell that document through major online retailers such as Google, Amazon, and Sony. Many name authors and publishers do so and make a hefty profit.

ShumaGorath wrote:
No, many authors sell books to the mobile markets that those companies serve. That they are viewable on a PC isn't even a consideration. There is no market for digital books to PCs. Without tablets none of this would exist (and didn't before e-readers).

Sony, Amazon, Google, etc. would not have developed apps for the PC if there was no one wanted to read the files on their PCs. Clearly, there is a market for the GW codex outside of the ipad, as has been demonstrated on this thread. Given that most people have PCs, it would be logical to support the system.

spaceelf wrote:
It is my understanding that the current generation of ebook formats support rich media. These include epub.

ShumaGorath wrote:
And not all tablets can utilize rich media content delivered in ePub format. Very few E-ink display devices can use rich media formatted E-pub books (very few being none). After amazon and sonys ereader market, the iPad and the kindle fire there is almost no such thing as a digital book market. The android book market is almost a joke. It's as fractured and filled with spamware and fremium values as the actual android marketplace.

You have a very inaccurate read on the state of digital books.

I was responding to your previous point, about formats that supported rich media. There are lots of them, Apple is certainly not the only one. Thus, my point about PCs stands. You can create a secure rich media document which is readable on PCs, and sell that document through major retailers.

spaceelf wrote:
Although piracy is a concern to publishers, Apple's software is not pirate proof. GWs ebooks would have been safe enough being distributed through Amazon.

ShumaGorath wrote:
To my knowledge there is no current method to pirate iBooks outside of rooting an apple device or running it in a virtualized developers kit environment. Neither of these things lend themselves to mass piracy and both require above average technical skill.

Like many of your comments you did not respond to my main point. GWs ebooks would have been safe enough being distributed through Amazon. And it is possible to pirate an iBook. Once it has been 'unlocked' it can be distributed as easily as any file.

spaceelf wrote:
The fact of the matter is the GW chose Apple, and in so doing lost lots of potential customers.

ShumaGorath wrote:
They also could of filled the books with porn or simply mailed people burgers with their purchase. The iBook format is the only respectable current rich media format for books. It's the largest, safest, and easiest marketplace to enter. That's the end of the story.

Amazon and many other companies would take exception to your statement about the respectable format.

Sony, Amazon, Google, etc. would not have developed apps for the PC if there was no one wanted to read the files on their PCs. Clearly, there is a market for the GW codex outside of the ipad, as has been demonstrated on this thread. Given that most people have PCs, it would be logical to support the system.

Sure they would. They even did. And no, it's not logical to support PCs. There is no market for monetized rich media interactive content to PCs outside of the educational space. It doesn't exist. You can point to apps that would allow for it to exist all you want, and indeed it's all you seem to be doing. Possibility doesn't imply actuality. Go look at how much these companies are making and where. For the most part PC reader app markets are an afterthought to fluff up "app numbers" in cross device markets. No one actually buys them for PCs.

I was responding to your previous point, about formats that supported rich media. There are lots of them, Apple is certainly not the only one. Thus, my point about PCs stands. You can create a secure rich media document which is readable on PCs, and sell that document through major retailers.

And no one will buy it as is demonstrated by their posted revenue. You can actually look up how well these industries are doing, you know.

Amazon and many other companies would take exception to your statement about the respectable format.

Amazon sells books for Eink displays. Not rich or interactive media content. Any steps they have moved into that space are tentative at best and are likely still loss leaders for them. I'm not sure you even know what these terms mean.

Sony, Amazon, Google, etc. would not have developed apps for the PC if there was no one wanted to read the files on their PCs. Clearly, there is a market for the GW codex outside of the ipad, as has been demonstrated on this thread. Given that most people have PCs, it would be logical to support the system.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Sure they would. They even did. And no, it's not logical to support PCs. There is no market for monetized rich media interactive content to PCs outside of the educational space. It doesn't exist. You can point to apps that would allow for it to exist all you want, and indeed it's all you seem to be doing. Possibility doesn't imply actuality. Go look at how much these companies are making and where. For the most part PC reader app markets are an afterthought to fluff up "app numbers" in cross device markets. No one actually buys them for PCs.

At first you said that there was no monetized ebook format on PCs. Now you admit that in the educational space that there is an ebook market on PCs.

I was responding to your previous point, about formats that supported rich media. There are lots of them, Apple is certainly not the only one. Thus, my point about PCs stands. You can create a secure rich media document which is readable on PCs, and sell that document through major retailers.

ShumaGorath wrote:
And no one will buy it as is demonstrated by their posted revenue. You can actually look up how well these industries are doing, you know.

The monetezation schemes are still rather new for rich media. Thus looking at old numbers is not necessarily indicative of future performance.

Amazon and many other companies would take exception to your statement about the respectable format.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Amazon sells books for Eink displays. Not rich or interactive media content. Any steps they have moved into that space are tentative at best and are likely still loss leaders for them. I'm not sure you even know what these terms mean.

I am most certainly aware of the meaning of rich media, etc. Amazon also has the Kindle Fire, which does not have an e-ink screen. Amazon's format supports rich media.

At first you said that there was no monetized ebook format on PCs. Now you admit that in the educational space that there is an ebook market on PCs.

Yeah, for university level research documents. Please don't act like you've caught a fish or something. I was just being accurate. It has truly no bearing and doesn't make you correct at all.

The monetezation schemes are still rather new for rich media. Thus looking at old numbers is not necessarily indicative of future performance.

You have clearly demonstrated that you don't know what the term "rich media" means.

I am most certainly aware of the meaning of rich media, etc. Amazon also has the Kindle Fire, which does not have an e-ink screen. Amazon's format supports rich media.

No you don't. Else you wouldn't of repeatedly implied PDFs were a rich media format. Also, amazon doesn't "have a format" and puts out digital books in over a dozen different formats. You have plainly demonstrated that you simply don't know anything about these industries. I'm going to stop bothering with this thread now, I have no interest in arguing with someone making up their knowledge on the spot.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Let me post this one again.





There is no monetized ebook format for non mobile devices so the PC argument is entirely irrelevant. They're not going to give it to you for free, stop wanting it for free. Android users don't buy things. The market is a mess, it's heavily fragmented in OS (there are at least five major regional north american markets) and the device fragmentation features literally thousands of different devices with different hardware. No one goes android first, it's a loss leader. Android users don't buy things and the copy protection is almost nil.

Maybe you should use a research company that is not partnered with Apple.

IMS Research is owned by IHS Inc.

IHS Inc. is partenerd with Apple.

A quick interenet search will show this, though the fact that both IMS Research and IHS Inc. Home pages kinda hint at this in a not so subtle manner.


Here is a page from an independent research group: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=independent+research+into+tablet+market+share&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGUQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobithinking.com%2Fmobile-marketing-tools%2Flatest-mobile-stats%2Fa&ei=JOn9T-CZNsOA2wXLpImpDg&usg=AFQjCNEEO_LkQFprcO571wbUDjg9T7vGPQ

This page shows a steady growth of non apple products in the Tablet area and that Nokia and Samsung continue to dominate in the mobile phone sector.

Samsung dominates in the smart phone sector.

Apples market share in the Tablets has steadily declined and is now sitting at roughly 50%.

This market share will most likely get a short term boost with their next ios release but, in the long term they look to continue to lose market share due to Microsoft starting their 5star program where they will release their own tablets rather than just vending their OS to manufactures.

Later

focusedfire wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
Let me post this one again.





There is no monetized ebook format for non mobile devices so the PC argument is entirely irrelevant. They're not going to give it to you for free, stop wanting it for free. Android users don't buy things. The market is a mess, it's heavily fragmented in OS (there are at least five major regional north american markets) and the device fragmentation features literally thousands of different devices with different hardware. No one goes android first, it's a loss leader. Android users don't buy things and the copy protection is almost nil.

Maybe you should use a research company that is not partnered with Apple.

IMS Research is owned by IHS Inc.

IHS Inc. is partenerd with Apple.

A quick interenet search will show this, though the fact that both IMS Research and IHS Inc. Home pages kinda hint at this in a not so subtle manner.


Here is a page from an independent research group: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=independent+research+into+tablet+market+share&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGUQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobithinking.com%2Fmobile-marketing-tools%2Flatest-mobile-stats%2Fa&ei=JOn9T-CZNsOA2wXLpImpDg&usg=AFQjCNEEO_LkQFprcO571wbUDjg9T7vGPQ

This page shows a steady growth of non apple products in the Tablet area and that Nokia and Samsung continue to dominate in the mobile phone sector.

Samsung dominates in the smart phone sector.

Apples market share in the Tablets has steadily declined and is now sitting at roughly 50%.

This market share will most likely get a short term boost with their next ios release but, in the long term they look to continue to lose market share due to Microsoft starting their 5star program where they will release their own tablets rather than just vending their OS to manufactures.

Later

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
We're talking about books, not symbian.

The monetezation schemes are still rather new for rich media. Thus looking at old numbers is not necessarily indicative of future performance.

ShumaGorath wrote:
You have clearly demonstrated that you don't know what the term "rich media" means.

I am most certainly aware of the meaning of rich media, etc. Amazon also has the Kindle Fire, which does not have an e-ink screen. Amazon's format supports rich media.

ShumaGorath wrote:
No you don't. Else you wouldn't of repeatedly implied PDFs were a rich media format.

I do not think that I ever mentioned the term PDF, let alone implied that PDFs were a rich media format. I am aware that rich media include video and interactive content that cannot be displayed on e-ink screens because of their abysmally slow refresh rate.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Also, amazon doesn't "have a format" and puts out digital books in over a dozen different formats.

Amazon most certainly 'has' the AZW format, as they created it.

ShumaGorath wrote:
You have plainly demonstrated that you simply don't know anything about these industries. I'm going to stop bothering with this thread now, I have no interest in arguing with someone making up their knowledge on the spot.

If you have no interest in arguing then you are free to stop.

I would like to see GW codicies available on PCs, and devices other than the ipad. I suspect that there are many other people with the same opinion. To say that it cannot be done because there is not a market is rubbish, as there is a market. To say that there are not other secure file formats is also equally false, as there are many such formats.

ShumaGorath wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
We're talking about books, not symbian.

You're the one that fetched tablet sales data into this discussion - focusedfire appeared to merely be pointing out that the data may be suspect, and that trend data indicates further shrinkage of Apple's market share is likely.

At no point was Symbian even mentioned in ff's post, so your dismissal appears entirely irrelevant.

Of course, the mix of Apple & GW fan boy-ism isn't pleasant to watch.

ShumaGorath wrote:

focusedfire wrote:
Maybe you should use a research company that is not partnered with Apple.

IMS Research is owned by IHS Inc.

IHS Inc. is partenerd with Apple.

A quick interenet search will show this, though the fact that both IMS Research and IHS Inc. Home pages kinda hint at this in a not so subtle manner.


Here is a page from an independent research group: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=independent+research+into+tablet+market+share&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGUQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobithinking.com%2Fmobile-marketing-tools%2Flatest-mobile-stats%2Fa&ei=JOn9T-CZNsOA2wXLpImpDg&usg=AFQjCNEEO_LkQFprcO571wbUDjg9T7vGPQ

This page shows a steady growth of non apple products in the Tablet area and that Nokia and Samsung continue to dominate in the mobile phone sector.

Samsung dominates in the smart phone sector.

Apples market share in the Tablets has steadily declined and is now sitting at roughly 50%.

This market share will most likely get a short term boost with their next ios release but, in the long term they look to continue to lose market share due to Microsoft starting their 5star program where they will release their own tablets rather than just vending their OS to manufactures.

Later

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
We're talking about books, not symbian.

Yeah, being snide through insinuation only lessens how people view your credibility. Nor, does your being insulting change the fact that your source is by no means credible.

BTW, You are coming across as a bit of an iphone/tablet fanboi.


If you want to discuss ebooks and market share, then it is amazon selling the most and PC based systems that own the market.

Here is more independent research into the "current" market: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ebook+market+share+2012&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CE8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-digital-reader.com%2F2012%2F03%2F20%2Fbowker-amazon-dominates-the-world-ebook-market%2F&ei=E_j9T7KKOZKl2AXC742uDw&usg=AFQjCNG_xiyNzStZ4teJpLX0E_F4IBuYIA" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ebook+market+share+2012&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CE8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-digital-reader.com%2F2012%2F03%2F20%2Fbowker-amazon-dominates-the-world-ebook-market%2F&ei=E_j9T7KKOZKl2AXC742uDw&usg=AFQjCNG_xiyNzStZ4teJpLX0E_F4IBuYIA

and

http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2012/ipad-e-reading-market-share-stagnates-as-tablet-e-reading-rises/

Dysartes wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
We're talking about books, not symbian.

You're the one that fetched tablet sales data into this discussion - focusedfire appeared to merely be pointing out that the data may be suspect, and that trend data indicates further shrinkage of Apple's market share is likely.

At no point was Symbian even mentioned in ff's post, so your dismissal appears entirely irrelevant.

Of course, the mix of Apple & GW fan boy-ism isn't pleasant to watch.

Nokia produces phones using the Symbian OS (for now). That was 50% of his competitive examples. If he wants to talk about projected markets thats cute, but he's just grabbing top google results to try and stress the same irrelevant points he's been making for pages. He's not doing it in a way that shows actual insight on the topic and he's making mistakes repeatedly that betray that he's just skimming and copy pasting.


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focusedfire wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

focusedfire wrote:
Maybe you should use a research company that is not partnered with Apple.

IMS Research is owned by IHS Inc.

IHS Inc. is partenerd with Apple.

A quick interenet search will show this, though the fact that both IMS Research and IHS Inc. Home pages kinda hint at this in a not so subtle manner.


Here is a page from an independent research group: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=independent+research+into+tablet+market+share&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGUQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobithinking.com%2Fmobile-marketing-tools%2Flatest-mobile-stats%2Fa&ei=JOn9T-CZNsOA2wXLpImpDg&usg=AFQjCNEEO_LkQFprcO571wbUDjg9T7vGPQ

This page shows a steady growth of non apple products in the Tablet area and that Nokia and Samsung continue to dominate in the mobile phone sector.

Samsung dominates in the smart phone sector.

Apples market share in the Tablets has steadily declined and is now sitting at roughly 50%.

This market share will most likely get a short term boost with their next ios release but, in the long term they look to continue to lose market share due to Microsoft starting their 5star program where they will release their own tablets rather than just vending their OS to manufactures.

Later

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
We're talking about books, not symbian.

Yeah, being snide through insinuation only lessens how people view your credibility. Nor, does your being insulting change the fact that your source is by no means credible.

BTW, You are coming across as a bit of an iphone/tablet fanboi.


If you want to discuss ebooks and market share, then it is amazon selling the most and PC based systems that own the market.

Here is more independent research into the "current" market: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ebook+market+share+2012&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CE8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-digital-reader.com%2F2012%2F03%2F20%2Fbowker-amazon-dominates-the-world-ebook-market%2F&ei=E_j9T7KKOZKl2AXC742uDw&usg=AFQjCNG_xiyNzStZ4teJpLX0E_F4IBuYIA" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ebook+market+share+2012&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CE8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-digital-reader.com%2F2012%2F03%2F20%2Fbowker-amazon-dominates-the-world-ebook-market%2F&ei=E_j9T7KKOZKl2AXC742uDw&usg=AFQjCNG_xiyNzStZ4teJpLX0E_F4IBuYIA

and

http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2012/ipad-e-reading-market-share-stagnates-as-tablet-e-reading-rises/

Yes, thats the Ereader market, not the PC market. You really seem hungup in trying to hamfist that boondoggle right down everyones throats. Stop trying to establish causation through correlation. If you want to say that "E-ink display based ebooks are the dominant market for digital reading" then you're right. It's also not what GW is producing as a product and that market doesn't accept rich media content. That market also isn't the "PC market". Just because they can be purchased on the PC doesn't mean thats where anything even close to a meaningful percentage of the books are being used.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Nokia produces phones using the Symbian OS (for now). That was 50% of his competitive examples. If he wants to talk about projected markets thats cute, but he's just grabbing top google results to try and stress the same irrelevant points he's been making for pages. He's not doing it in a way that shows actual insight on the topic and he's making mistakes repeatedly that betray that he's just skimming and copy pasting.

Dude, stop right there, you just lost any credibility.

This is the first page that I posted in and you were referencing my first post.

This lie, in combination with your being insulting and now constantly trying to obfuscate that your position and source were not credible, means that most here now know that you should not listened to/ "ignored".

Chart says Tablet PC's not E-reader.

Kindle Fire, the only product that Amazon makes that resembles a Tablet PC, was released on November 15, 2011.

So according to this chart from Nov 15 to Dec 31st Amazon grabed 7% of the market in 45 days. I wonder how much more that's grown in the last 7 months.

In any case, since I pretty much refuse to by anything Apple makes for a multitude of reasons, I'll just scan my legally purchased Codex into a nice PDF and upload it to my Kindle Fire.
The money I saved ($200 from the Ipad and $75 from the codex I'll put towards buying new models)

focusedfire wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Nokia produces phones using the Symbian OS (for now). That was 50% of his competitive examples. If he wants to talk about projected markets thats cute, but he's just grabbing top google results to try and stress the same irrelevant points he's been making for pages. He's not doing it in a way that shows actual insight on the topic and he's making mistakes repeatedly that betray that he's just skimming and copy pasting.

Dude, stop right there, you just lost any credibility.

This is the first page that I posted in and you were referencing my first post.

This lie, in combination with your being insulting and now constantly trying to obfuscate that your position and source were not credible, means that most here now know that you should not listened to/ "ignored".

Oh, yeah, you're right. I had been confusing you and SpaceElf. My bad. At a point all of the samey arguments started to meld together and I started attributing things to people that didn't state them.


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adamsouza wrote:

Chart says Tablet PC's not E-reader.

Kindle Fire, the only product that Amazon makes that resembles a Tablet PC, was released on November 15, 2011.

So according to this chart from Nov 15 to Dec 31st Amazon grabed 7% of the market in 45 days. I wonder how much more that's grown in the last 7 months.

In any case, since I pretty much refuse to by anything Apple makes for a multitude of reasons, I'll just scan my legally purchased Codex into a nice PDF and upload it to my Kindle Fire.
The money I saved ($200 from the Ipad and $75 from the codex I'll put towards buying new models)

That graphs shipments, not ownership. That means that in 45 days they managed to be 7% of the tablets shipped that quarter. Not 7% of tablets in homes. That graph also doesn't establish whether these were tablets "shipped" or "sold".

I think some important points are being left out of the discussion of market share.

If iPad owners are viewed as foolish people with too much disposable income, then that's exactly the target market for GW. Why would GW want to market towards devices marketed towards "reasonable" people as affordable?

You don't make money marketing an expensive hobby to reasonable people.

I can understand them releasing the fully interactive codecies on iPad, but it woudl be nice if they also released a plain old PDF version for those of us who can't afford an iPad.

i realise you can get them....but an actual proper PDF )rather than a PDF of a scanned page) that you could run searches on for referenece woudl be great.

Has anyone actually looked at the digital necron codex here? Still curious if it contains any new rules based material.

Apparently it confirms the Hyperphase sword as being AP3. Other than that i dont think it solves anything (doesn't answer the "no embarking on a nightscythe" or "Mind in the machine from a CCB" questions).

Games workshop have stated today that the digital codexes will be updated each time a new FAQ is released. Yesss!
I'm sold. Screw the bickering. It's a good product.

Looks like i'm working a few extra weekends to buy an iPad. :(


How much are the digi-codecies anyway?

Cron dex was 32---which is getting close to reasonable.

I'll have to say this--playing a game with the digital codex is much easier than the paper copy. Just stay on the Army section, click for a special rule when needed--pretty slick. Other than handing your opponent your Ipad to read the rule that is!

I've gone on the bookstore thing with my iphone 4s. Cant find anything by GW...

What am I doing wrong?

Has to be an ipad, won't work on an iphone or at least apple/gw won't let it work.

I can imagine the heads of GW and Apple sitting in big black swivel chairs, each stroking a white cat and laughing.

droidman wrote:Has to be an ipad, won't work on an iphone or at least apple/gw won't let it work.

Ah ok thanks for the info, makes sence. I shall have a look on the ipad tonight

obsidianaura wrote:

droidman wrote:Has to be an ipad, won't work on an iphone or at least apple/gw won't let it work.

Ah ok thanks for the info, makes sence. I shall have a look on the ipad tonight

I think it's because the 'enhanced iBooks' stuff is really built around a larger-format display like the iPad's.

Posted by "Perfect Fool" (yeah, that's his name, hope not his status ) over at Warseer:

A friend who went to the Warhammer World open day said that he had a chat with Jervis who suggested that campaign packs could make a return. They would be published digitally as the cost of printing in multiple languages is prohibitive. He also said that Jervis had already submitted a version of a linked campaign for approval. Obviously this is only second hand info and I'm not 100% certain if it's correct but it does seem to be the sort of narrative gaming project that Jervis enjoys working on.