So how about it? These are just examples -- the real question is more about whether you find in-universe contradictions or inappropriate out-of-universe stuff smuggled in to be more unsettling.

For myself, the Chaos Tau thing is far more distressing than the MLP stuff I've seen. I would say "at least I know the MLP thing is a joke" but sometimes I wonder ... Not too long ago, someone posted on Dakka asking about a 40k/MLP crossover he heard GW was doing ... ugh.

MLP is worse. Chaos tau are pretty bad, but at least it fits within the same game as 40k.

MLP is an awful crossover. It's about as bad as somebody modelling George W. Bush as their chapter master and saying that in a couple of years he will fall into the warp and in the far future go on to be a space marine.

Pony marines.
I read a post sometime ago about a guy who lost a match to a "little girl" who had CSM Painted in a similar manner and a sorcerer with a rainbow sword... *shrugs*
The concept of Pony-marines is wrong and horrifying, killing machines with armor styled like that is a proof of insanity, madness or even taint of chaos.
IMO Ponies represent something utterly evil, all efforts must be made to exterminate the treat and they must be "shot on sight" (like justin beiber )
But seriously now, i just think there is something wrong in the idea of "pony-marines".



"Thou shall smite the pony and its follower, wherever their foul taint shall be found"
-Litanies of the Alfa Legion Space Marine Chapter.


EDIT: No the above is not a mistake.

Never was a fan of the pony meme, or the fools that latch onto it. It's just trans-material trolling.

Daemonhammer wrote:Pony marines.
I read a post sometime ago about a guy who lost a match to a "little girl" who had CSM Painted in a similar manner and a sorcerer with a rainbow sword... *shrugs*
The concept of Pony-marines is wrong and horrifying, killing machines with armor styled like that is a proof of insanity, madness or even taint of chaos.
IMO Ponies represent something utterly evil, all efforts must be made to exterminate the treat and they must be "shot on sight" (like justin beiber )
But seriously now, i just think there is something wrong in the idea of "pony-marines".



"Thou shall smite the pony and its follower, wherever their foul taint shall be found"
-Litanies of the Alfa Legion Space Marine Chapter.


EDIT: No the above is not a mistake.

And pretty marines dont? Oh and angry marines too.

Why is Chaos Tau distressing? Nothing says they cannot be corrupted by the Warp, they just aren't intentionally sought out as being particularly...tasty, by Warp entities if there's something better given that their Warp presence is extremely weak. Chaos corrupts and despoils all. I see nothing inappropriate about Chaos Tau in theory.

Pony marines I'd sort go "well...that's silly" and move on. The "cutely ironic" phase of that has long since passed, and thus would any humor value, but I really wouldn't flip over it, it's just another brightly colored silly looking marine army at that point.

I cringe not at these freakosities... fly freak flag fly!

Considering in the UK My Little Pony is regarded as a show aimed at 4 year old girls, it utterly baffles me.

If you want to play pink Space Marines, play Emperor's Children. Other than that, there's no excuse to spend several hundreds of dollars just to pussify Marines.

As for Chaos Tau, hey why not? The whole "we love everyone, greater good" can have some traitors. Nothing stopping Tau from having their own Horus Heresy.

You mean like Hello Kitty Marines? Or Nazi IG ( I seen a really well done army like that, and the player who was kicked out of a store for it) I just sort of shrug and move on.

It'd probably be better if you had a poll with some more options for it, so it doesn't look like you are singleing out just a few types of modeling.. Otherwise you just ought to rename the thread "which is worse, mlp marines or chaos tau?"

While i'm not one to get hissy over how someone does their models, I'm not really a fan of the tyranid models with reproductive organs, or chaos daemons with penises. While these things can and have been done tastfully, if your Slaaneshi soulgrinders have giant horse cocks the size of their legs tied up in fishnet, and so do your fiends, I'll probably find someone else to play..

I'd actually like to see a Chaos Tau army. It'd at the very least be interesting and plausible.

I would take My Little Pony Marines, Chaos Tau, Nazi IG, Female Marines, and George Bush as chapter master (to use examples listed above) any day of the week over the hordes of unpainted, sometimes unassembled Grey Knights and Blood Angels that seem to comprise at least half of any club's player's armies. At least they indicate some form of effort or dedication on behalf of the owner.

MLP Marines.

Do not want.

Nazi Female Nun Sisters of Battle!
That wont go over to well,but would be funny

StoneRaizer wrote:
As for Chaos Tau, hey why not? The whole "we love everyone, greater good" can have some traitors. Nothing stopping Tau from having their own Horus Heresy.

Actually I could see that making a pretty cool campaign with the new allies system.

Back on topic. I am one of those cynical, hate filled bastards who foams at the mouth with rage at the sight of MLP. Give me power armor and I would be a real life angry marine. I honestly cannot stand the idea of pony marines to the point that it physically makes me sick. Its not just a simple matter of preference, its irrational hatred, a pathological obsession with despising the very concept of MLP.

I find "The big bang theory tv show" cringe worthy. I know some really intelligent people whose opinion I respect love it a lot, and that’s ok… even intelligent people can be wrong at times.

As for 40K, I don’t really care. My interest lies solely with what happens on the table (either the gaming table or the table where I paint). I couldn’t care less if someone makes a “my little pony” crossover marine army or a chaos tau army.

Also GW prices make me cringe (HA HA! Tired old cliché is tired and old!)

Yes. Isn't the entire Farsight story a potential hook as well. He's got a mysterious, super-powerful sword of unknown origins (yeah... riiiight) and starts going all rebellious on his race and the established hierarchies.

I am not saying it has to be Chaos there, probably not, but it's ambiguous enough that a hobbyist who would like to have it that way, could very well interpret this a as a story hook for Tau-Corruption.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I find "The big bang theory tv show" cringe worthy. I know some really intelligent people whose opinion I respect love it a lot, and that’s ok… even intelligent people can be wrong at times.

The Big Bang Theory is nerd blackface. It's just a generic gakky sitcom with some random nerd references shoehorned in there. Loathsome program.

I think Pony Marines makes me cringe harder. I have no qualms with the show or anyone who watches it, but I don't understand why you'd put cute cartoon horses and Marines together in the way some folks here have. Chaos Tau is pretty awful though; reading the fluff people write for it is always hilarious though, whether they know it or not.

Brother SRM wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I find "The big bang theory tv show" cringe worthy. I know some really intelligent people whose opinion I respect love it a lot, and that’s ok… even intelligent people can be wrong at times.

Chaos Tau is pretty awful though; reading the fluff people write for it is always hilarious though, whether they know it or not.

Perhaps I could see an example? I haven't read much Chaos Tau fluff.

I am unphased by most things!

Meh.

If someone wants to make a Ponyhammer army, good for them. Not my problem.

I can't think of a single conversion army that would make me cringe.

LoneLictor wrote:
Perhaps I could see an example? I haven't read much Chaos Tau fluff.

From a cursory googling:

i have taken up tau and with alot of chaos stuff im converting them into chaos tau and i have to admit my chaos hammerhead looks awesome this is there fluff

these tau of the dishounerd sept are darkened by chaos like no tau have before them due to massive over exposure to the warp. they lost there honour by attacking a space marine world just to spite them to prove they were more powerful only did they not win they were banished into the warp by the ultramarines who had just been passing by. years spent in the warp changed them beyond belief there strength grew there weapons were stronger but at a cost little known to the tau the chaos gods had been gifting them making them stronger faster and giving them huge longevity whispering into there minds twisting them these "gifts" were not out of kindness i doubt chaos gods understand a thing but they tools to let the tau do what the chaos gods fed of pure and utter destruction and chaos to spite the world and after they came out of the eye of terror after 1000s of years they were unrecognisable to there kin
they existed only for "the greater good of the chaos gods!

You know, typical things that are impossible because Tau have no Warp presence. I rarely see Chaos Tau fluff or discussion threads where the OP has writing talents that surpass a child's either, which doesn't help. Tau can be manipulated by Chaos just fine, same as anybody, but the idea of Chaos Tau is impossible and silly, yet not quite as silly as cartoon horse Marines.

I wouldn't even play someone with a MLP army. Nothing personal. Its just that my local gaming store is in the middle of a shopping.centre so there is hot girls and/or tough blokes going in and out all the time, doing the nornap "WTF is this" look. We already feel uneasy when thr gangsta looking ones stroll in with swagger, looking at our models. Quite frankly, I don't need my sexuality nor my sexual.maturity questioned even.more, which it will should I be caught playing with or against a MLP army. Not for me thanks.

I like to think of myself as a mature person with a slightly immature sense of humour and the idea of someone cringing at models makes me cringe myself. Very few things faze me and I can happily say that I won’t be losing sleep over someones BDSM Nazi furry chaos pony themed tau with grey knight allies army. Hell, it's their toys; let them do what they want and if the above makes them happy then so be it. But in all seriousness though, if the idea of someone doing something different in their hobby offends you then maybe you need to go outside, have a walk through your local park, relax a little as you take in your surroundings. Take a few deep breaths and enjoy the sunlight as it shines down onto your face, gently warming your body in its glow……. and remember that this is just a game.

Ok, yeah I know, seeing ANOTHER pony army or ANOTHER chaos tau army thread might get tiring and no one likes having to read and respond to the same thread by a different person over and over again but just do what I do. Scroll past it and enjoy the rest of the content that this forum or any other has to bring. If you really have to comment on it then just remember that it’s their toys and they can do what they want. If you find it really offensive then point it out politely as maybe someone over looked the fact that a Nazi themed IG army might not go down so well and suggest that the fewer iconography the better.

DPBellathrom wrote:I like to think of myself as a mature person with a slightly immature sense of humour and the idea of someone cringing at models makes me cringe myself. Very few things faze me and I can happily say that I won’t be losing sleep over someones BDSM Nazi furry chaos pony themed tau with grey knight allies army. Hell, it's their toys; let them do what they want and if the above makes them happy then so be it. But in all seriousness though, if the idea of someone doing something different in their hobby offends you then maybe you need to go outside, have a walk through your local park, relax a little as you take in your surroundings. Take a few deep breaths and enjoy the sunlight as it shines down onto your face, gently warming your body in its glow……. and remember that this is just a game.

Ok, yeah I know, seeing ANOTHER pony army or ANOTHER chaos tau army thread might get tiring and no one likes having to read and respond to the same thread by a different person over and over again but just do what I do. Scroll past it and enjoy the rest of the content that this forum or any other has to bring. If you really have to comment on it then just remember that it’s their toys and they can do what they want. If you find it really offensive then point it out politely as maybe someone over looked the fact that a Nazi themed IG army might not go down so well and suggest that the fewer iconography the better.

exalted

I cringed at neither. As long as it's not half assed I seem fine with it for some reason. The thing I dislike though are when people do it simply looking for the hate, that will continually throw it out there until they get the angry reaction they expected. Most people couldn't care less.

Cryonicleech wrote:
I can't think of a single conversion army that would make me cringe.

Really? I seem to remember a certain Dakka poster who painted miniatures with his own body fluids and modeled them in... interesting (i.e., phallus-involving) situations.

That kind of stuff points 'chaos tau' and ponies to shame.

DPBellathrom wrote:. If you find it really offensive then point it out politely as maybe someone over looked the fact that a Nazi themed IG army might not go down so well and suggest that the fewer iconography the better.

As a Jew...I laugh my ass off seeing a little Hitler mod for Officer, and thought the great coats, and arm bands looked spot on. I didnt get to kill any of them Nancys, but I did think it looked very, very good. I even suggested the female Commisar model would look good added to it. We joked around that next he should do a KKK White Scares army.
The only way it would bother me, is if the player was talking trash in theme with the army.

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Daemonhammer wrote:Pony marines.
I read a post sometime ago about a guy who lost a match to a "little girl" who had CSM Painted in a similar manner and a sorcerer with a rainbow sword... *shrugs*
The concept of Pony-marines is wrong and horrifying, killing machines with armor styled like that is a proof of insanity, madness or even taint of chaos.
IMO Ponies represent something utterly evil, all efforts must be made to exterminate the treat and they must be "shot on sight" (like justin beiber )
But seriously now, i just think there is something wrong in the idea of "pony-marines".



"Thou shall smite the pony and its follower, wherever their foul taint shall be found"
-Litanies of the Alfa Legion Space Marine Chapter.

And pretty marines dont? Oh and angry marines too.

I suppose they do, but while Angry marines are something of a "Trollification" (just like the Alfa legion chapter mentioned above) and the pony marines... it just feels wrong.

RicBlasko wrote:[...]Nazi IG ( I seen a really well done army like that, and the player who was kicked out of a store for it) I just sort of shrug and move on.

I would never play against someone like that, its just shocking someone is enough to make something like that.

Personally I would like to see a Nazi themed IG army. Say what you want about them, their blitzkrieg tactics were undeniably effective. If someone was marching about, with a drawn on Hitler mousstache and doing the whole "Heil Hitler" gak that is a different story.

Daemonhammer wrote:

RicBlasko wrote:[...]Nazi IG ( I seen a really well done army like that, and the player who was kicked out of a store for it) I just sort of shrug and move on.

I would never play against someone like that, its just shocking someone is enough to make something like that.

See I am not seeing the "wrong" if I play Flames of War, or one of the WWII games I would see the same thing. I am sure people would get upset at "Commie Guard" or if someone's Blood Angels had the little hammer and sycle on them..but Warhammer 40K to me has always had a touch of those things. Even in the novels, Ciaphias Cain fought a gu that looked like Hitler.
But all of this talk does make me want to see a MLP Marine army vs Hello Kitty Marines.

Deadshot wrote:Personally I would like to see a Nazi themed IG army. Say what you want about them, their blitzkrieg tactics were undeniably effective. If someone was marching about, with a drawn on Hitler mousstache and doing the whole "Heil Hitler" gak that is a different story.

Fine, but instead of saying a 'Nazi' themed IG army, why not a 'Wehrmacht' or 'WWII German' themed army?

Seeing a bunch of models done up as Wehrmacht soldiers is fine, but you get over the line when you start breaking out the SS-iconography and Nazi-esque flags.

Good idea. Also, I didn't know what Werhmatcht was,.or even such a word existed. But yes, " WW2 German styled IG" would be a cool thing to see, as long as there is no "Heil Hitler" gak going on as I said.

I'm up for any conversion as long as it looks good and there's paint on the plastic/metal/resin/plasresin/ect.

Deadshot wrote:Good idea. Also, I didn't know what Werhmatcht was,.or even such a word existed. But yes, " WW2 German styled IG" would be a cool thing to see, as long as there is no "Heil Hitler" gak going on as I said.

Wehrmacht = the actual German army in WWII. If I wanted to be specific, someone would want to do a 'Heer' IG army. The 'Waffen-SS' were the SS soldiers that fought alongside the Wehrmacht as a separate entity.

So, a 'Heer' IG army? Ok, that's pretty cool, especially if the guys gone and used German tanks of the era. A Waffen-SS themed army would definitely be towing the 'acceptable' line.

Zweischneid wrote:Yes. Isn't the entire Farsight story a potential hook as well. He's got a mysterious, super-powerful sword of unknown origins (yeah... riiiight) and starts going all rebellious on his race and the established hierarchies.

I am not saying it has to be Chaos there, probably not, but it's ambiguous enough that a hobbyist who would like to have it that way, could very well interpret this a as a story hook for Tau-Corruption.

Yeah, I always assumed that Farsight was going a bit chaosy there. Chaos Tau are fine, they have a weak warp precence, but they're not incorruptible. Also, they're pretty clueless about chaos things, to that causes them to be careless.

As for MLP, well, even though I've nothing against the ponies, I'm never been much of a fan of complete joke armies. But then again, it's not my army, and if someone wants to make such a force, it's not skin off my nose. And as someone said, at least it way better than half assembled unpainted armies. I once saw someone playing with an army that had an unit of unpainted kroot legs. They were missing their upper bodies, arms and heads entierly. That is and army I'd refuse to play against.

Am I mistaken, or was there once, like on the books with GW, a Rainbow Warrior Chapter of Marines....

RicBlasko wrote:Am I mistaken, or was there once, like on the books with GW, a Rainbow Warrior Chapter of Marines....

Yes. They were in the Rogue Trader.

RicBlasko wrote:Am I mistaken, or was there once, like on the books with GW, a Rainbow Warrior Chapter of Marines....

back in the RT days the used to be a friends of the earth joke army but now, unless I'm wrong, their more of an aztec themed army :3

Ugh, no thank you to MLP marines. They should all meet my friends Mr. Zippo and Mr. Axe Bodyspray.

Semi-off topic, Nazi models are usually considered bad form, but if you are playing a game that is based off of WW2, such as Dust Tactics, is it okay to have models in Nazi uniforms? I was thinking of painting swastikas on my Axis zombies when I get them, as my understanding is that they are zombified Nazi soldiers-it would fit the background of the models completely. I'm not some racist douchebag, I'd never put it in an area that is inappropriate, but I feel in the DT instance, it makes a degree of sense and realism.

timetowaste85 wrote:Ugh, no thank you to MLP marines. They should all meet my friends Mr. Zippo and Mr. Axe Bodyspray.

Semi-off topic, Nazi models are usually considered bad form, but if you are playing a game that is based off of WW2, such as Dust Tactics, is it okay to have models in Nazi uniforms? I was thinking of painting swastikas on my Axis zombies when I get them, as my understanding is that they are zombified Nazi soldiers-it would fit the background of the models completely. I'm not some racist douchebag, I'd never put it in an area that is inappropriate, but I feel in the DT instance, it makes a degree of sense and realism.

I see no problem with this, but then again my IG is moddeld on the SS Viking divison from WW2, so I may be partial to just say good job if its a well done paintjob. People need to stop being so easly offended.

Could just put a X or something. I understand completely, but some people are very edgy about that sort of thing. Though even then I expect the same type to make a fuss regardless.

MLP.

But MLP makes me cringe, anyway. Not because of the bronies - MLP made me cringe long before they adopted it as their Cause célèbre.

Badly drawn caricatures of hellspawn, designed purely to sell toys to the naive and easily led. Rather like Transformers.

Did a Mod seriously just unleash the MLP beast!?! I thought there was only supposed to be one MLP thread in off topic because MLP is some sort of internet virus that will rabidly infect and spread throughout the forums unless contained. Is this the latest outbreak? Prepare yourselves for infection fellow users. They got one of the Mods.

I'm fine with MLP marines, pink flower-necrons, hello kitty marines, transformorks, angry marines and other silly conversions which totally break the 4th wall.

I'm also fine with Chaos Tau, Orkquisition, female Marines or khorne eldar which completely break the 40k fluff.

It's a game to have fun, if you have fun converting, painting and playing something that completely doesn't fit the 40k fluff, all power to you.

However, if you start putting swastika on red flags with white circels all over your IG, model your GK henchmen with white hoods and robes or use your army to make any other extremist or racist statement, that's not ok. The former one might even get you arrested in Germany (though you'll probably get away with calling your models "art"), but you'll get kicked out of any store for sure. There is a reason why German variants of WW2 pc games contain funky flags(usually WW1 flags), as well as silly greetings and names.

Crimson wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:Yes. Isn't the entire Farsight story a potential hook as well. He's got a mysterious, super-powerful sword of unknown origins (yeah... riiiight) and starts going all rebellious on his race and the established hierarchies.

I am not saying it has to be Chaos there, probably not, but it's ambiguous enough that a hobbyist who would like to have it that way, could very well interpret this a as a story hook for Tau-Corruption.

Yeah, I always assumed that Farsight was going a bit chaosy there. Chaos Tau are fine, they have a weak warp precence, but they're not incorruptible. Also, they're pretty clueless about chaos things, to that causes them to be careless.

This is your assumption,
There is nothing in the Tau fluff that supports such and actually a lot that would argue against.
Farsights sword is usually thought to be a C'tan relic, an artifact from an extinct race or a prank played by Ceggorach-the Laughing God.

The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Before you bring up Farsights extended life-span, I'd like to point out that the best/most thourough fluff concerning him suggest that Farsight himself (may be/most likely) is dead.
That his Battlesuit, the sword and his name have become a rank that is handed down through the generations.


I think it ironic, how people have no problem of suggesting major changes to the background of armies they don't play or like.
But, if someone suggested that something contridictory to the very essence of their army be allowed(Female SM's, BT, SW, GK, BA, DA or that they all get rolled back into one army), said individual would be very wroth with the those trying to bring about said change.


Now if someone wants to spend their money on a what-if/alternate reality and play some Chaos Tau House rule games.....no problem if both players are agreeable to said idea.
If they want to decorate their army as Chaos and play them by the Tau codex rules....no problem
If they want to convert a Tau army and use them as chaos proxies...no problem in casual games, problem in tournies.

If you are going around trying to get people to accept them and the backstory or are campaigning for them to become a recognized faction/part of 40k Tau background, then look elsewhere for your games and support.

To be perfectly honest, neither really bugs me all that much. Very few conversions have the power to actually make me uncomfortable/cringe.

That said, I think Chaos Tau bugs me a bit more than MLP marines. For me it comes down to the intent behind the conversion. With Chaos Tau, the intent almost always seems to be "I want Chaos bitz on my Tau and so I'm going to ham-fistedly retcon/remake the fluff to justify doing so," which is an attitude that's always struck me as kinda lame. If somebody wants to make "Corrupted Gues'va wearing the skin of Tau, wielding corrupted, stolen tau weaponry, then sure, but most of the Chaos Tau fluff I've read has been pretty boring/poorly written. I feel the same way about "Chaos Grey Knights," "Slaanesh (D)Eldar," Female Space Marines, etc, etc.

I generally lump MLP conversions in with all the other "deliberate trolling/joke/niche interest conversions" like Angry Marines, Pretty Marines, Hello-Kitty marines, models made of LEGO & pipe-cleaner, etc. With these kinds of conversions, I'm more inclined to judge based on the quality of the conversion (i.e. did the creator effectively bring their idea to life) rather than on any sort of justification. Even so, most of the time these conversions are just kinda "meh" for me.

/2cents

focusedfire wrote:

Crimson wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:Yes. Isn't the entire Farsight story a potential hook as well. He's got a mysterious, super-powerful sword of unknown origins (yeah... riiiight) and starts going all rebellious on his race and the established hierarchies.

I am not saying it has to be Chaos there, probably not, but it's ambiguous enough that a hobbyist who would like to have it that way, could very well interpret this a as a story hook for Tau-Corruption.

Yeah, I always assumed that Farsight was going a bit chaosy there. Chaos Tau are fine, they have a weak warp precence, but they're not incorruptible. Also, they're pretty clueless about chaos things, to that causes them to be careless.

This is your assumption,
There is nothing in the Tau fluff that supports such and actually a lot that would argue against.
Farsights sword is usually thought to be a C'tan relic, an artifact from an extinct race or a prank played by Ceggorach-the Laughing God.

The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Before you bring up Farsights extended life-span, I'd like to point out that the best/most thourough fluff concerning him suggest that Farsight himself (may be/most likely) is dead.
That his Battlesuit, the sword and his name have become a rank that is handed down through the generations.


I think it ironic, how people have no problem of suggesting major changes to the background of armies they don't play or like.
But, if someone suggested that something contridictory to the very essence of their army be allowed(Female SM's, BT, SW, GK, BA, DA or that they all get rolled back into one army), said individual would be very wroth with the those trying to bring about said change.


Now if someone wants to spend their money on a what-if/alternate reality and play some Chaos Tau House rule games.....no problem if both players are agreeable to said idea.
If they want to decorate their army as Chaos and play them by the Tau codex rules....no problem
If they want to convert a Tau army and use them as chaos proxies...no problem in casual games, problem in tournies.

If you are going around trying to get people to accept them and the backstory or are campaigning for them to become a recognized faction/part of 40k Tau background, then look elsewhere for your games and support.

A. I do play Tau

B. I know that most fan-theories would disagree with the Chaos theory and said so.

C. There is just as little actual support for C'Tan weapons or any of the other things you mentioned

D. The entire metaphysiology of "warp signatures" and whatever else isn't clearly defined in the first place. Corruption to Chaos comes from falling to certain vices. Show me a line in GW's work that absolutely rules out corruptions because of a lack of "warp signature" or whatever you have. The latter is not a free pass to indulge in whatever sin you have without risking corruption.

E. The Warp is a reflection of strong emotions, Tau do have emotions.

F. As said, even if it isn't the most probable explanation, Farsight as a chaos hook is a possible explanation. GW has purposfully kept alot of their background ambigious precisely so that there would not be just a single "true" explanation. The entire point is to allow scope for different people to piece in the gaps with different interpretations to make it "their own".

focusedfire wrote:


The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Everything is susceptible to Warp influence. If Chaos can turn the very soil and mundane plants and animals into twisted horrors, they can do it to the Tau. The Tau don't have a psyker gene, nor do most humans. Short lifespan is irrelevant.

If a warp storm erupts near a Tau world, there is nothing to say they'd be immune to it. Absolutely nothing. They just aren't very attractive targets it anything else is around.

The Tau are not some magical Warp-immune race. They just aren't flaming beacons to it as other races are. If exposed to the warp, there isn't a single shred of fluff, Tau or otherwise, that says they can't or won't be susceptible to its mutating (both physical and mental) effects.

Either. Hell, unconverted Tau make me cringe.

Gentlemen, I find this thread more cringe worthy then any of the four or so modeling designs or conversations being discussed. In the decades I've played this game I have seen two female players armies. Both of them are up in this thread for the worst things you can do. Both of them I would place in the best looking armies I have ever seen. It was apparent that a lot of time, love and effort was placed into building and painting the models, each and every one. I mention this because a couple days after my friends wife posted pics of her sparkle, rainbow deamon army. A lot of enthusiasm for doing warhammer vanished.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Either. Hell, unconverted Tau make me cringe.

Oh this made my day

Honestly, I don't see the problem with Chaos Tau.

Do the Tau want things?

Yes.

Can Daemons pretend to offer those things, in return for favours from the Tau?

Yes.

Therefore, the Tau can become the servants of Chaos.

Not having a significant warp process just means the forces of Chaos need to use an intermediary, like a cultist or someone.

The "My Little Pony" theme is worse by a long shot. It's in the same category as the "hello kitty" army that was making the rounds a few years back, the various "Angry Marines" projects I've seen, etc. Sorry. I just don't care for armies built around a joke. A little humor here and there is fine. But a whole (expensive) project? No way. This is especially the case when the source is a damned 4chan meme.

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I would love playing an MLP Marine army, either against or with, and especially more if I can revel in the tears of frustrations of fat neckbeards screaming 'HERESY' all around me. I would feed on all that misspent hatred all days, every days, if I could. Each time someone would refused to play me, I would grow bolder and stronger, until I finally ascended to the pantheon of Chaos Gods and unleashed the legions of sparkly hooves that would trample the Universe!

Honestly tho, I can't think of anything more dumb than caring enough about what shape the toy soldiers my opponent brings to play against me, that I'd refuse to play against him. (the Nazi IG would be bad taste, but hey, I get to kill nazis, so that's a plus)

Chaos Tau, fair enough. If they're well done and painted to a reasonable level.

Pony Marines. No. Just. No.

I've already been singled out by society as a "Geek/Nerd"; I don't need to sinble myself out even more by being associated with a bad cartoon for small children that revolves around multi-coloured horses.

focusedfire wrote:
This is your assumption,
There is nothing in the Tau fluff that supports such and actually a lot that would argue against.
Farsights sword is usually thought to be a C'tan relic, an artifact from an extinct race or a prank played by Ceggorach-the Laughing God.

And that is your assumption. I'm not saying GW totally intended it to be Chaos thing, merely that this was my first thought when I read Farsight fluff, and it would fit in a way.

The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Less suspectible. They're not immune.

Before you bring up Farsights extended life-span, I'd like to point out that the best/most thourough fluff concerning him suggest that Farsight himself (may be/most likely) is dead.
That his Battlesuit, the sword and his name have become a rank that is handed down through the generations.

Obviously other Tau who have no idea of what Chaos can do would think this.

I think it ironic, how people have no problem of suggesting major changes to the background of armies they don't play or like.
But, if someone suggested that something contridictory to the very essence of their army be allowed(Female SM's, BT, SW, GK, BA, DA or that they all get rolled back into one army), said individual would be very wroth with the those trying to bring about said change.

I like Tau, I'm just painting a litle bunch of Tau Mercenaries (yes, mercenaries, working for money, not for greater good!) as an allied detachment for my IG. And you can roll all marines into one codex for all I care, in fact, I'd prefer it. And I have no problem with people having female marines in their armies if they want.

If you are going around trying to get people to accept them and the backstory or are campaigning for them to become a recognized faction/part of 40k Tau background, then look elsewhere for your games and support.

I think it is silly to assume that because Tau are resilient to corruption, that there can be no any Chaos Tau ever. This is such a limited view of Chaos and makes it look way to human centric and in a way powerless. All alien races are immune or protected in a way, Chaos can only ever influence humans. I find this boring and unnecessarily weak. Similarly I find it odd that people think races to be this monolithic blocks of clones. If fluff says that race X usually behaves like this and that, does not mean that every member of said race everywhere always does so.

I'm more irked by fluff warping armies, myself. Yes, Chaos Tau could happen, but it's such a bloody obvious thing to to. New gamers often think that it'd be cool to take an army and make it 'Chaos' by sticking some spikes on it and painting it black. It's tedious, and it's trite, and it's been done to death. A genuinely well reasoned and well executed traitor army could be very cool, but 99% of them seem to be 'choas gray knitghs,' because kids think evil equals awesome. Blegh.

Obviously joke armies I have less of a problem with. I probably wouldn't want to play them - I like the setting and I want to play in the setting, not a parody of it - but they don't grate on me nearly as much. If someone wants to spend that much time and money on a novelty army, well, that's their call. I'll appreciate the humour, but I'd rather play against a 40K fluff based army. It just makes for a better narrative, IMO.

Brother SRM wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I find "The big bang theory tv show" cringe worthy. I know some really intelligent people whose opinion I respect love it a lot, and that’s ok… even intelligent people can be wrong at times.

The Big Bang Theory is nerd blackface. It's just a generic gakky sitcom with some random nerd references shoehorned in there. Loathsome program.

That's exactly it. You've really hit the nail on the head there. I hate that show.

htj wrote:I'm more irked by fluff warping armies, myself. Yes, Chaos Tau could happen, but it's such a bloody obvious thing to to. New gamers often think that it'd be cool to take an army and make it 'Chaos' by sticking some spikes on it and painting it black. It's tedious, and it's trite, and it's been done to death. A genuinely well reasoned and well executed traitor army could be very cool, but 99% of them seem to be 'choas gray knitghs,' because kids think evil equals awesome. Blegh.

But this is just because 90% of everything is crap. It does not mean the concept itself is unworkable.

Crimson wrote:

htj wrote:I'm more irked by fluff warping armies, myself. Yes, Chaos Tau could happen, but it's such a bloody obvious thing to to. New gamers often think that it'd be cool to take an army and make it 'Chaos' by sticking some spikes on it and painting it black. It's tedious, and it's trite, and it's been done to death. A genuinely well reasoned and well executed traitor army could be very cool, but 99% of them seem to be 'choas gray knitghs,' because kids think evil equals awesome. Blegh.

But this is just because 90% of everything is crap. It does not mean the concept itself is unworkable.

Hence why I said:

htj wrote:A genuinely well reasoned and well executed traitor army could be very cool

...but it rarely is. Most people who have the talent tend to put their time into other things, it seems.

htj wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I find "The big bang theory tv show" cringe worthy. I know some really intelligent people whose opinion I respect love it a lot, and that’s ok… even intelligent people can be wrong at times.

The Big Bang Theory is nerd blackface. It's just a generic gakky sitcom with some random nerd references shoehorned in there. Loathsome program.

That's exactly it. You've really hit the nail on the head there. I hate that show.

Add me on the list of people who hate that insult to physics.

As for the topic, I voted MLP, because whilst my reaction to chaos tau would probably be of the order of , my reaction to MLP would be more what the ?

This thread is a Troll Poll.

But still.

MLP is LAME! You wanna do a 'fun' army in the Grimdark far future...Orks. Nuff said.
These four-legged fools sully all that is Chaos!

Enough on the fluff.

Game wise, who cares? They all bleed red... or Rainbow... or whatever.

Brother SRM wrote:

these tau of the dishounerd sept are darkened by chaos like no tau have before them due to massive over exposure to the warp. they lost there honour by attacking a space marine world just to spite them to prove they were more powerful only did they not win they were banished into the warp by the ultramarines who had just been passing by. years spent in the warp changed them beyond belief there strength grew there weapons were stronger but at a cost little known to the tau the chaos gods had been gifting them making them stronger faster and giving them huge longevity whispering into there minds twisting them these "gifts" were not out of kindness i doubt chaos gods understand a thing but they tools to let the tau do what the chaos gods fed of pure and utter destruction and chaos to spite the world and after they came out of the eye of terror after 1000s of years they were unrecognisable to there kin
they existed only for "the greater good of the chaos gods!

MLP Marines annoy me a little, but honestly I couldn't care less if I don't have to see them. This ^ irritates me, the Punctuation Police should have got this one.

man i thought my 'hello kitty' chaos army was too much when i brought it to my GW store a few years back(hehe got so much hate for that ^_^)

I cringe at threads like this.

phantommaster wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

these tau of the dishounerd sept are darkened by chaos like no tau have before them due to massive over exposure to the warp. they lost there honour by attacking a space marine world just to spite them to prove they were more powerful only did they not win they were banished into the warp by the ultramarines who had just been passing by. years spent in the warp changed them beyond belief there strength grew there weapons were stronger but at a cost little known to the tau the chaos gods had been gifting them making them stronger faster and giving them huge longevity whispering into there minds twisting them these "gifts" were not out of kindness i doubt chaos gods understand a thing but they tools to let the tau do what the chaos gods fed of pure and utter destruction and chaos to spite the world and after they came out of the eye of terror after 1000s of years they were unrecognisable to there kin
they existed only for "the greater good of the chaos gods!

MLP Marines annoy me a little, but honestly I couldn't care less if I don't have to see them. This ^ irritates me, the Punctuation Police should have got this one.

I like some of the responses they got there.

It's about as likely as a Khorne bezerker sleeping with a pink fluffy bear with a love heart on it's chest.

Oh and should be worth noting that after being shot down by everyone they changed to being just the Tau's possessed armour.

Though cool chaos Tau exists out there... somewhere. There's just very little.


That's actually about it, there was one other picture but being on Photobucket it has vanished. Even then I think that may just be "Chaos, Tau" and not "Chaos Tau".

I voted MLP. Honestly, it would just be too weird. I think I would rather have my eye poked out by a pencil than have to look at and play against an army themed around My Little Pony.


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Testify wrote:Considering in the UK My Little Pony is regarded as a show aimed at 4 year old girls, it utterly baffles me.

Its an american thing.

Not really. There are enough supporters here.

I don't care quite honestly. Do what you want with your army; odds are, you're not in charge of GWs fluff department.

No one is.

infinite_array wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:
I can't think of a single conversion army that would make me cringe.

Really? I seem to remember a certain Dakka poster who painted miniatures with his own body fluids and modeled them in... interesting (i.e., phallus-involving) situations.

That kind of stuff points 'chaos tau' and ponies to shame.

WTF???????

Honestly? Are you telling me this guy used his own phallus fluid to paint his amry? Thats incredibly sick.


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RicBlasko wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote:. If you find it really offensive then point it out politely as maybe someone over looked the fact that a Nazi themed IG army might not go down so well and suggest that the fewer iconography the better.

As a Jew...I laugh my ass off seeing a little Hitler mod for Officer, and thought the great coats, and arm bands looked spot on. I didnt get to kill any of them Nancys, but I did think it looked very, very good. I even suggested the female Commisar model would look good added to it. We joked around that next he should do a KKK White Scares army.
The only way it would bother me, is if the player was talking trash in theme with the army.

Probably his way of trying to show how he thinks the imperium are like Nazi's.

Having a few Chaos Tau myself, it's gotta be MLP.

But, honestly, Chaos Tau is a tricky subject. Minimal warp presence means they won't get as noticed by Daemons and such, so tentacles and mutations are silly on them. But Tau that have simply gone completely insane (gazing into the truth of the Warp or what not), decorating their armour with skulls and spikes and following a Chaos Warlord into battle makes perfect sense to me. People say Tau are immune to Chaos, but they're just resistant to the Warp; they can still go insane, they can still fill with bloodlust, and they can still follow a Chaos Warband if they're truly crazy enough. Influence and possession and two different things that many seem to struggle with...

Really, I've got no issue with MLP. To each their own. But with the choice on offer, they twist my gears more than Chaos Tau.

I'm in the its hard to make me cringe dept.

I am also in the if they took the time and effort to model and paint each one appropriatly i can respect the effort put into the models. and as with others i will appreciate seeing a painted army on the table instead of poorly put together models with mold lines often not even base coated.

if somebody came into my flgs with nicely done mlp marines or hello kitty marines and somebody else came in and was railing on them abotu it i can pretty much guaruntee we'd all be on the side of the mlp /kitty marine or chaos tau players side. lert them paint and play with thier toys how they want to and i'd happily play them.. let my savae orks test thier metal agains sparkles and rainbows... sure why not.

Neither...

Tzeentch is crazy.

I personally would happily play with any of the crazy conventions above. I've seen everything from radioactive orks to gundam marines so hey w/e works.

Suffer not the ponies to live.

Either is better than the hordes of grey unpainted models I see often enough.

Either would have a uniform look and not look like you threw your models in various buckets of paint and hoped for the best.

Basically, as long as I don't have to listen to you prattle on about either I don't care. Joke armies are pretty funny. More so for me since I know I didn't spend the money doing it.


Oh and for those complaining about say: 'Nazi' IG, how do you feel about FoW players?

Anything involving grown males and My Little Pony is cringeworthy.

d3m01iti0n wrote:Anything involving grown males and My Little Pony is cringeworthy.

Sounds like someone is insecure about their masculinity...

Crimson wrote:

d3m01iti0n wrote:Anything involving grown males and My Little Pony is cringeworthy.

Sounds like someone is insecure about their masculinity...

I always wondered why I avoided the pink aisles at Toys R Us, but thanks to your keenly-honed psychiatric skills I now understand.

d3m01iti0n wrote:
I always wondered why I avoided the pink aisles at Toys R Us, but thanks to your keenly-honed psychiatric skills I now understand.

You're welcome!

Ailaros wrote:MLP is worse. Chaos tau are pretty bad, but at least it fits within the same game as 40k.

MLP is an awful crossover. It's about as bad as somebody modelling George W. Bush as their chapter master and saying that in a couple of years he will fall into the warp and in the far future go on to be a space marine.

That sounds... incredibly badass.

A) I want a Dubya head for a conversion bit now, and B) I voted for Pony Marines.

I think that the Chaos Tau represent a divergent view on the fluff, albeit one not shared by me (or, I believe, the majority of those who are familiar with the appropriate background). Nevertheless, still an in-universe idea.

The Pony Marines, on the other hand, represent a silly joke taken far too far. I just can't see spending that kind of money recreating an Internet joke that wasn't all that funny to begin with.

Jimsolo wrote:A) I want a Dubya head for a conversion bit now, and B) I voted for Pony Marines.

I think that the Chaos Tau represent a divergent view on the fluff, albeit one not shared by me (or, I believe, the majority of those who are familiar with the appropriate background). Nevertheless, still an in-universe idea.

The Pony Marines, on the other hand, represent a silly joke taken far too far. I just can't see spending that kind of money recreating an Internet joke that wasn't all that funny to begin with.

I can totally see a squad of pony marines, as kind of a troll thing to include in your army for fun.

A whole army of them though... ugh.

None of those conversions make me cringe, but what does make me cringe are conversions that are terribly made. I don't mind what it is so long as its well done.

I only cringe at crap conversions and poor painting.

Not a fan of MLP, but whatever - they're not my minis....

d3m01iti0n wrote:

Crimson wrote:

d3m01iti0n wrote:Anything involving grown males and My Little Pony is cringeworthy.

Sounds like someone is insecure about their masculinity...

I always wondered why I avoided the pink aisles at Toys R Us, but thanks to your keenly-honed psychiatric skills I now understand.

DarthOvious wrote:I voted MLP. Honestly, it would just be too weird. I think I would rather have my eye poked out by a pencil than have to look at and play against an army themed around My Little Pony.


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Testify wrote:Considering in the UK My Little Pony is regarded as a show aimed at 4 year old girls, it utterly baffles me.

Its an american thing.

No, in America My Little Pony is regarded as a show aimed at 4 year old girls as well.

DeathReaper wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:I voted MLP. Honestly, it would just be too weird. I think I would rather have my eye poked out by a pencil than have to look at and play against an army themed around My Little Pony.


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Testify wrote:Considering in the UK My Little Pony is regarded as a show aimed at 4 year old girls, it utterly baffles me.

Its an american thing.

No, in America My Little Pony is regarded as a show aimed at 4 year old girls as well.

True, but I know a lot more people from America who follow it than I do British people. I wasn't really clear in my reply there.

z6imm wrote: In the decades I've played this game I have seen two female players armies. Both of them are up in this thread for the worst things you can do.

So ... this is argument that women shouldn't play 40k? I have to disagree. Plenty of women are capable of making reasonable armies.

z6imm wrote:Both of them I would place in the best looking armies I have ever seen.

LOL sorry but that's an example of a self-invalidating opinion. The Chaos Tau thing is hard enough to buy but a MLP army is one of the best you've ever seen?

If my Tyranids weren't so painted, I could totally see doing a "My Little Tyranid" army.

Not a lot really, I think my limit would be something abhorrent, like SS themed guard with Concentration camp imagery, or over the top sexual themes.

Nazi symbols is a big turn off I'll admit. Stuff like MLP is like the Hello Kitty marines, I'd not do it, but its not something that would bother me.

The chibi Tyranids I've seen drawn would raise a chuckle mind.

I'm planning a MLP Chaos Tau army.

But it's on hold due to GW prices. And GO!

When I see a MLP army, I can't help but cringe at the money and time spent on something that I cannot conceive of as being valuable. Still, I can just tell myself "well, that's meaningful to somebody if not me." With Chaos Tau, I cringe hard because I know there is some wacky misunderstanding of fluff behind that. In other words, someone converting MLP marines isn't saying anything about the setting; it's not meant to be taken seriously. But there's probably a serious argument behind a Chaos Tau army. A dumb one to be sure but serious nonetheless. Another example is Slaaneshi armies where someone has modelled a huge penis on the front of a defiler or a Leman Russ (yes, it's happened) because I know they're going to snicker about being a hardcore troll out of one side of their face and argue that this is appropriate to the fluff out of the other side of the face. The Nazi stuff is about the same as that, IMO. The Nazi stuff is like the perfect storm of people making stupid assumptions about the fluff and smuggling in ideologies or preferences that have nothing to do with 40k.

Well I would find it hilarious if a guy came to play with a nazi themed army only to find that he is undone by facing an allied themed army in return.

A WW2 German themed Ork army, attacks.some Sisters of Battle's planet. Mordians come to help, but the incredibly fast vehicles and aggressive tactics push them back. Several years later an invasion.of Dakkajets, Blitzaboomers, Fightbommers and Fightas assail the Mordian homeworld. They fight back with Vultures, Lightnings, Vendettas, Valkeries, andba multitude of other aircraft. Meanwhile, the Orks try to use the same Blitzkrieg tactics on a Vestroyan planet but are defeated and pushed back to their border. The Mordians defeat the Dakkawaffe and fight back.

Meanwhile, accross the galaxy, the Ork's Tau allies take a cheap shot at Cadia. In retaliation, an allied force of Cadians and Elysians assail the Tau Empire, aiding the Mordians and Vestroyans. At the climax.of the battle, the Tau are defeated having been introduced to the newly developed method of Exterminatus via Cyclone Torpedo. A few months later, Vestroyan Stromtroopers board the Ork Killkruiser of the Warboss, and conquer it. They find the Warboss and his favourite Choppa, in a ship's bunker, suicide.



-WW2, the 40k way.

Well, that's interesting, I'll give it that much.

As long as someone has worked hard at something, I'm willing to play them.

I'm not easily offended, or gonna cringe at much; life is too short, and it's their toy soldiers to do with as they please.

Looking around, some of the conversions for "hello kitty" marines, and the accompanying paintjobs are pretty damn good. It would be a shame to throw away what could be a fun game just cause people have "issues" with the army theme.

I said that I am incapable of cringing over models, but that's not entirely true; proxies make me cringe. That's about it. Painted models are better than unpainted models, but I don't really care if they're painted or not (I still have loads of unpainted minis so it'd be very hypocritical of me to judge).

As much as I like the 40K background and universe, and contrary to how many people take the game, it is, in fact, not serious business. Nazi IG? Depending on how it's done it could be pretty tasteless, but eh. Let's play. MLP Marines? Let's play. Hello Kitty Marines? Let's play. Dick Cheney is your Chaos Lord/Chapter Master? Hilarious. Let's play. Frankly, if someone is modeling genitals onto their Leman Russes or adamantly and seriously defending a Chaos Tau army, that's their problem, not mine.

Back in my home town, one of the local Necron players was a pastor. He glued doilies and fake flowers to his Necrons and painted them pastel colours, and called them the "Church Lady Necrons", because "nothing is more terrifying than little old church ladies." They were utterly brilliant.

In summary: It's fine. U mad? Haters gonna hate. Come at me bro. Trololololololo. The butthurt is strong with this one (not meaning anyone in particular, but people who get mad at this kind of thing in general).

Now, if they're poorly modeled and painted conversions, that's a bummer, but if they're like the Optimus Prime or MLP Space Marines I've seen, or the aforementioned Church Lady Necrons, then I say bravo and well done!

They're your models, do as you wish, I frankly don't care.

I don't cringe awful conversions or awfully painted models. Pretty much I look at it this way, your models are like a dinner, you spend money on it, you spend time and effort making it tasty (spend money buying your models, and time and effort converting and painting them). If someone wants to take a dump on their own dinner (or make stupid conversions or paint jobs) that is their prerogative, it is their dinner (army) let them do what they want.

On-topic: I wouldn't mind playing against Chaos Tau if it was modeled well and to be honest I think that would apply to a MLP army. Provided it looked cool and it was easy to understand what each unit was I'd be fine with it.

Off-topic: I don't get this hate for The Big Bang Theory.

It's scientifically accurate. The characters are well thought out and it's funny a lot of the time.

Evilledz wrote:On-topic: I wouldn't mind playing against Chaos Tau if it was modeled well and to be honest I think that would apply to a MLP army. Provided it looked cool and it was easy to understand what each unit was I'd be fine with it.

Off-topic: I don't get this hate for The Big Bang Theory.

It's scientifically accurate. The characters are well thought out and it's funny a lot of the time.

Agreed. It's a terrific show.

Manchu wrote:When I see a MLP army, I can't help but cringe at the money and time spent on something that I cannot conceive of as being valuable. Still, I can just tell myself "well, that's meaningful to somebody if not me." With Chaos Tau, I cringe hard because I know there is some wacky misunderstanding of fluff behind that. In other words, someone converting MLP marines isn't saying anything about the setting; it's not meant to be taken seriously. But there's probably a serious argument behind a Chaos Tau army. A dumb one to be sure but serious nonetheless. Another example is Slaaneshi armies where someone has modelled a huge penis on the front of a defiler or a Leman Russ (yes, it's happened) because I know they're going to snicker about being a hardcore troll out of one side of their face and argue that this is appropriate to the fluff out of the other side of the face. The Nazi stuff is about the same as that, IMO. The Nazi stuff is like the perfect storm of people making stupid assumptions about the fluff and smuggling in ideologies or preferences that have nothing to do with 40k.

for the record, I payed about £40 for my 1750 pts army :3 then again thats because I bought some good joblots off ebay and MLP blindbag toys are pretty cheap anyway :/

and as for time, it's a lot quicker than people think and a better waste of time than what I normally do

as for people sticking a dick on a tank or boobs on a defiler, I just brush it off as immature. If they think it's funny then fine....just dont come crying when you get kicked out of the GW store/LGS

also, the battle suit posted a few pages back, I would really like to see an army done like that :3 zombie/mutant tau would be fun

RatBot wrote:I said that I am incapable of cringing over models, but that's not entirely true; proxies make me cringe. That's about it. Painted models are better than unpainted models, but I don't really care if they're painted or not (I still have loads of unpainted minis so it'd be very hypocritical of me to judge).

As much as I like the 40K background and universe, and contrary to how many people take the game, it is, in fact, not serious business. Nazi IG? Depending on how it's done it could be pretty tasteless, but eh. Let's play. MLP Marines? Let's play. Hello Kitty Marines? Let's play. Dick Cheney is your Chaos Lord/Chapter Master? Hilarious.

Amen! Praise be Ratbot and his clarity of understanding!

Burn the Butthurt!
Kill the Haters!
Purge the Neckbeards!

I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously* at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop? I don't really care about Chaos Tau, because Chaos and Tau are both things that are in 40k and are possible to take seriously, but Pony Marines are just a bad joke about the unintended maturity level of a show intended for 6 year old girls, that people are perpetuating endlessly and bringing into every aspect of life seemingly just to be ironic.

*What I mean by this is that the game is not a joke-not that we should dedicate our lives to it and all pray to the Emperor three times a day and execute Chaos and Xenos players for heresy.

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

This game is clunky, complicated without being complex, confusing, counter-intuitive, and if played for it's own merits is worthless.

However, if taken as a way to immerse one-self in the background, and forge a narrative between two forces, it becomes an enjoyable way to spend some time and throw some dice.

It is impossible, IMO, to enjoy a game playing against out-of-universe forces, especially ones that deliberately poke fun like MLP marines or hello kitty marines. As soon as you pull them out of the case, I'd rather be at home playing video games.

I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k.

I really don't like people taking this game too seriously. If you're really hardcore into the game, that's fine, so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40K.

This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least,

No, I don't think I will, thank you.

Pony marines don't really bother me as they are just a joke army, like Angry Marines.

I really do not like the idea of Chaos Tau though. Most of the time it is just an excuse for people to stick skulls and spikes on everything with no thought about the fluff. I also can't see any Tau willing following any Chaos Gods, and they aren't worth possessing.

Renegade Tau, i'm alright with if it makes sense with the fluff. (if all Ethereals die Firewarriors become more aggressive and don't think properly, probably what happened with Farsight)

Kaldor wrote:
This game is clunky, complicated without being complex, confusing, counter-intuitive, and if played for it's own merits is worthless.

Well yeah. At the very least that marks you as a reasonnable person

However, if taken as a way to immerse one-self in the background, and forge a narrative between two forces, it becomes an enjoyable way to spend some time and throw some dice.

It is impossible, IMO, to enjoy a game playing against out-of-universe forces, especially ones that deliberately poke fun like MLP marines or hello kitty marines. As soon as you pull them out of the case, I'd rather be at home playing video games.

Well, as long as it's about your ability to enjoy the narrative, I can understand why. A bit like playing a game of Vampire the Mascarade and then suddenly being trampled by unicorns. Humm, actually that might fare well with a Changeling crossover

I know some people that dislike playing a wargame in which theres female represented. Others that would break their own stuff after loosing against a Pony or Hello Kitty army. These people are butthurt because someone decided to make a joke out of something to which they simply attribute too much importance. If you truly, simply cannot enjoy the game, all the while not getting angry, than I guess that's the prerogative of a gamer ; no one should play a game they don't enjoy. But getting angry because someone else decided to poke fun at an IP... God there must be a hell somewhere for such people... A never-ending Matt Ward fluff seminary?

If someone had a pony army I wouldn't play them.

Buttons wrote:I don't cringe awful conversions or awfully painted models. Pretty much I look at it this way, your models are like a dinner, you spend money on it, you spend time and effort making it tasty (spend money buying your models, and time and effort converting and painting them). If someone wants to take a dump on their own dinner (or make stupid conversions or paint jobs) that is their prerogative, it is their dinner (army) let them do what they want.

Well lets test this theory shall we.

Would you sit down and eat with someone who took a dump in their own dinner? Your meal is OK, they've just taking a dump in their dinner, but I somehow think you wouldn't be sitting at the same table?


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DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't meaning it in that sort of context. He's not talking about taking the fluff seriously in terms of real life. He is talking about the game playability.


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Kaldor wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

This game is clunky, complicated without being complex, confusing, counter-intuitive, and if played for it's own merits is worthless.

However, if taken as a way to immerse one-self in the background, and forge a narrative between two forces, it becomes an enjoyable way to spend some time and throw some dice.

It is impossible, IMO, to enjoy a game playing against out-of-universe forces, especially ones that deliberately poke fun like MLP marines or hello kitty marines. As soon as you pull them out of the case, I'd rather be at home playing video games.

Thumbs up.

In my mind its nice to forge a narrative that fits the setting. Not saying I do this every game but If I know I'm coming up against another Marine player then its good to think of a general reason for the fight. If I see someone pull out Pony Marines to go up against then my reason for fighting them becomes useless except for one thing, that being "THEY ARE ABOMINATIONS AND MUST DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


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Mentlegen324 wrote:Pony marines don't really bother me as they are just a joke army, like Angry Marines.

I really do not like the idea of Chaos Tau though. Most of the time it is just an excuse for people to stick skulls and spikes on everything with no thought about the fluff. I also can't see any Tau willing following any Chaos Gods, and they aren't worth possessing.

Renegade Tau, i'm alright with if it makes sense with the fluff. (if all Ethereals die Firewarriors become more aggressive and don't think properly, probably what happened with Farsight)

In other words, just sticking skulls and spikey bits onto Tau is bad fluff justification but Pony Marines are OK.


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I know some people that dislike playing a wargame in which theres female represented. Others that would break their own stuff after loosing against a Pony or Hello Kitty army. These people are butthurt because someone decided to make a joke out of something to which they simply attribute too much importance. If you truly, simply cannot enjoy the game, all the while not getting angry, than I guess that's the prerogative of a gamer ; no one should play a game they don't enjoy. But getting angry because someone else decided to poke fun at an IP... God there must be a hell somewhere for such people... A never-ending Matt Ward fluff seminary?

I've got no problem with Women playing the game and I have no problem with female armies. Heck even Sisters of battle are female and some Eldar units are female and they are terrific. The problem is just bringing in some Random thing that doesn't fit the 40k universe into it. I would have the same problem with someone who thought it was funny to make a whole army around He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.

If you like MLP then fine, but theres no reason for you to bring it into 40k. I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan, but I'm not all of a sudden going to make an army in Red, White & Blue, stick the Rangers crest of their shoulder pads and paint their faces up to look like past Rangers football players. "Oh this is Brian Laudrup, he is my winger, That means a Librarian for your info".

If I did that I would expect somebody to find me certifiably insane and lock me away in a mental institution.

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

but what if i geniunly like bad jokes... such as

why did the hipster burn his mouth on pizza


what do you get when you cross a helicopter a elephant and a rhino


i just don't see the big deal abotu freakign out over modeling or panting. there are some people i play with who know how to airbrush, and have done all kinds of cool paintjobbs to thier minis to make them more thematic. I did my best but i'm not a good painter. my orks and marines look decent from a tabletop standard set but i'm not in danger of getting a golden demon award ever, but i did take the time and effort to dynamically pose and paint my orks if somebody chooses to ahve a little fun with thier painting and goes the extra mile on convertions of to paint each squad in a different my little pony theme kudos to them for having the patience to do that, now let throw some dice, drink some pop and pretend we are generals

If you like MLP then fine, but theres no reason for you to bring it into 40k. I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan, but I'm not all of a sudden going to make an army in Red, White & Blue, stick the Rangers crest of their shoulder pads and paint their faces up to look like past Rangers football players. "Oh this is Brian Laudrup, he is my winger, That means a Librarian for your info".

If I did that I would expect somebody to find me certifiably insane and lock me away in a mental institution.

I'd find that actually pretty cool to face, and nobody would really think your insane otherwise.

I just expect you to WYSIWYG and make sure things though. Personally I prefer the neat conversions compared to proxies and unpainted models.

@Manchu
This may not be to your taste but it did take skills.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63881627@N08/5810452007/sizes/l/in/pool-1606491@N21/

DarthOvious wrote:

Buttons wrote:I don't cringe awful conversions or awfully painted models. Pretty much I look at it this way, your models are like a dinner, you spend money on it, you spend time and effort making it tasty (spend money buying your models, and time and effort converting and painting them). If someone wants to take a dump on their own dinner (or make stupid conversions or paint jobs) that is their prerogative, it is their dinner (army) let them do what they want.

Well lets test this theory shall we.

Would you sit down and eat with someone who took a dump in their own dinner? Your meal is OK, they've just taking a dump in their dinner, but I somehow think you wouldn't be sitting at the same table?

With all due respect to Buttons, it's not a great analogy. A better example would be if they made a meal of roast chicken, strawberry jam, and gravy. It would seem to be utterly ruined by your tastes, but is still food, and appeals to them - no matter how unpalatable most people would find it. Defecating in a meal is like 'painting' miniatures with excrement.


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z6imm wrote:@Manchu
This may not be to your taste but it did take skills.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63881627@N08/5810452007/sizes/l/in/pool-1606491@N21/

I don't see how that contravenes fluff. Rainbow coloured LoCs are an old staple.

G00fySmiley wrote:
but what if i geniunly like bad jokes... such as

why did the hipster burn his mouth on pizza

Spoiler:

he ate it before it was cool

what do you get when you cross a helicopter a elephant and a rhino

Spoiler:

hell if i know

Those are some bad jokes. Expect to be banned for them.

i just don't see the big deal abotu freakign out over modeling or panting. there are some people i play with who know how to airbrush, and have done all kinds of cool paintjobbs to thier minis to make them more thematic. I did my best but i'm not a good painter. my orks and marines look decent from a tabletop standard set but i'm not in danger of getting a golden demon award ever, but i did take the time and effort to dynamically pose and paint my orks if somebody chooses to ahve a little fun with thier painting and goes the extra mile on convertions of to paint each squad in a different my little pony theme kudos to them for having the patience to do that, now let throw some dice, drink some pop and pretend we are generals

No problem with themeing your army, just as long as you do it properly and not make your Chapter Master Willy Wonka or something.

I notice that if you put 'Space Marines kill' into google, the top suggestion is 'Space Marines killing ponies'.


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ZebioLizard2 wrote:

If you like MLP then fine, but theres no reason for you to bring it into 40k. I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan, but I'm not all of a sudden going to make an army in Red, White & Blue, stick the Rangers crest of their shoulder pads and paint their faces up to look like past Rangers football players. "Oh this is Brian Laudrup, he is my winger, That means a Librarian for your info".

If I did that I would expect somebody to find me certifiably insane and lock me away in a mental institution.

I'd find that actually pretty cool to face, and nobody would really think your insane otherwise.

Er, no. I don't think it is cool to face and I certainly wouldn't torture any of my opponents by doing such a thing.

I just expect you to WYSIWYG and make sure things though. Personally I prefer the neat conversions compared to proxies and unpainted models.

Sorry but Brian Laudrup, Paul Gascoigne, Ally McCoist and Mark Hately will not be coming to a galaxy near you.

z6imm wrote:@Manchu
This may not be to your taste but it did take skills.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63881627@N08/5810452007/sizes/l/in/pool-1606491@N21/

No problem with that. Its a Lord of Change, it may be a very colourful Lord of CHange but it is still a Lord of Change.

Its the picture at the bottom of my post I have problems with. I feel dirty just looking at it.




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htj wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Buttons wrote:I don't cringe awful conversions or awfully painted models. Pretty much I look at it this way, your models are like a dinner, you spend money on it, you spend time and effort making it tasty (spend money buying your models, and time and effort converting and painting them). If someone wants to take a dump on their own dinner (or make stupid conversions or paint jobs) that is their prerogative, it is their dinner (army) let them do what they want.

Well lets test this theory shall we.

Would you sit down and eat with someone who took a dump in their own dinner? Your meal is OK, they've just taking a dump in their dinner, but I somehow think you wouldn't be sitting at the same table?

With all due respect to Buttons, it's not a great analogy. A better example would be if they made a meal of roast chicken, strawberry jam, and gravy. It would seem to be utterly ruined by your tastes, but is still food, and appeals to them - no matter how unpalatable most people would find it. Defecating in a meal is like 'painting' miniatures with excrement.

Thats why I tested the theory out.

But its still quite a similar point. When two players are playing a game together they have an understanding with each other to enjoy the game and they do share a table while playing. Some people will just not like playing against My Little Pony marines and I am one of those players. I will not play against something that quite frankly just doesn't belong in the 40k Universe. If you can justify what you have then fine but as far as I'm concerned MLP, He-Man, Hello Kitty, G.I. Joe, Willy Wonka, The Cat In The Hat, etc, etc, etc, don't belong in the 40k Universe.


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Henners91 wrote:I notice that if you put 'Space Marines kill' into google, the top suggestion is 'Space Marines killing ponies'.


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You see. Its not even original anymore. Its like an infection and it spreads. Soon the whole game will change and the whole army will literally be renamed Pony Marines.

Pacific wrote:I would take My Little Pony Marines, Chaos Tau, Nazi IG, Female Marines, and George Bush as chapter master (to use examples listed above) any day of the week over (unpainted armies). At least they indicate some form of effort or dedication on behalf of the owner.

Seriously, this. Someone that took the time and thought to put together a well-executed "oddball" army is far more preferable to play against than someone who has simply stuck some of "X new hotness army" together and can't be bothered to even perform a rudimentary spray-wash-drybrush paint job. Interesting armies start conversations, which is rather important as gaming is a social activity at its core. It's one of the reasons I'm so proud of my L5R-themed Eldar army: it draws attention, gets people asking questions about it, and starts people actually talking about hobby-related topics.

MLP Marines, Angry Marines, Cancer-Awareness Warmachine forces, Hello Kitty Marines, Blood Angels, Kinky Slaanesh Chaos Demons... they're all gimmicks, really, but they're still miles better than the Grey Legions.

Someone sets up across from you with pink Marines? Instead of scoffing, try talking. Might find some good ideas of your own to run with down the road.

EDIT: Wow... next time, I'll actually notice that I'm replying to a post on page 1 and there are FOUR MORE PAGES to read in the thread.

VikingScott wrote:Oh and for those complaining about say: 'Nazi' IG, how do you feel about FoW players?

As pointed out before, there is a difference between playing a German WW2 army and a Nazi army. You can usually tell quickly from the amount of swastikas painted on tanks.
From looking at the FOW page, at least they know that the German army used a different symbolism. Though you shouldn't use some of the army case patches they offer in public here, unless you are curious about German police stations.

Yes it is a Lord of Change thus fitting with the fuff. However the army design started with I want to do rainbows, sparkles, and gemstones. If the model given had been a land raider, the resulting paintjob would have been similar. If I saw those pony marines at my FLGS I totally would be trying to seek out a game. While the GW models are great, they have been getting old over the years. I miss seeing custom anything nowadays. For me the game is more about checking out the models others have made then actually playing it.

z6imm wrote:@Manchu
This may not be to your taste but it did take skills.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63881627@N08/5810452007/sizes/l/in/pool-1606491@N21/

Rainbows, sparkles, and gemstones are totally appropriate for a Tzeentchian army. Or an Eldar army. I'm not seeing a MLP Marine army or equivalent here ...

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

no......

it's because people involved in two or more fandoms like to mix them. someone on here did a clone wars army because he was a big fan of star wars and wanted to have them as a 40K army. I like MLP and 40K and thought it would be funny/cool to have them as a 40K army, same goes for the blazblue themed henchmen army I'm working on. in short, people like to mix fandoms; not because they think their being witty and ironic but because their bringing together two things that they enjoy.

what your thinking of is stuff like angry marines or pretty marines, where it is all just a joke, nothing more.

I just don't like it because the two don't seem to mix, while as someone pointed out about a Clone Wars army, works better as it's genre is more adaptable to 40k, but if your willing to spend money and properly convert models to a good standard but if people are just using toys on bases, no, I won't play. It's not my say on what you do with your money, or life, so do what you will, it's not my major concern.

Why do you need to bring together things that you enjoy? I get it when those things match. Like peanut butter and jelly. But peanut butter and horseradish? I mean, if you like Bugs Bunny and you also like Battlestar Galactica, why is your natural conclusion that Bugs Bunny should appear in Battlestar Galactica? Could it just maybe, possibly, conceivably be that the things you like about Bugs Bunny are different from the things you like about Battlestar Galactica and therefore just mashing them together won't actually result in something that you like twice as much as either thing alone? Again, ice cream is good. So is mac & cheese. But thanks very much I'll have them separately instead of mixing them up in one rotten bowl of gross.

Just a thought.

Manchu wrote:Why do you need to bring together things that you enjoy? I get it when those things match. Like peanut butter and jelly. But peanut butter and horseradish? I mean, if you like Bugs Bunny and you also like Battlestar Galactica, why is your natural conclusion that Bugs Bunny should appear in Battlestar Galactica? Could it just maybe, possibly, conceivably be that the things you like about Bugs Bunny are different from the things you like about Battlestar Galactica and therefore just mashing them together won't actually result in something that you like twice as much as either thing alone? Again, ice cream is good. So is mac & cheese. But thanks very much I'll have them separately instead of mixing them up in one rotten bowl of gross.

Just a thought.

because....well just because I guess. No one HAS to combined them and no one NEEDS to do it but some people just enjoy doing it. I suppose it's one of those "what if" things. what if ponies were a force in 40K? what if tau did fall to chaos? the resulting fluff might really appeal to some people or they might just have a lot of fun making that army. fandoms are always bound to cross sooner or later. it's not a case of enjoying it more, it's just another thing to enjoy. other people might not like the idea of anything crossing into their fandoms and that's fine too.

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blood reaper wrote:I just don't like it because the two don't seem to mix, while as someone pointed out about a Clone Wars army, works better as it's genre is more adaptable to 40k, but if your willing to spend money and properly convert models to a good standard but if people are just using toys on bases, no, I won't play. It's not my say on what you do with your money, or life, so do what you will, it's not my major concern.

this I do agree with to some extent. I would play them (I am a gaming whore though and will play just about anything :3) but I wouldnt enjoy all of the game as I like to see a good looking army infont of me when I fight. but if someone did just use a pony figure with no guns, no armour, no nothing it would be a little confusing and annoying at the same time as no effort had really been put into it and it would be hard to tell which unit was which. if they where wysiwyg then it would be fine by me

DPBellathrom wrote: in short, maybe some people like peanut butter and horseradish

It's my own fault for using that specific metaphor but this answer really doesn't address the main point: liking one thing and liking another thing doesn't automatically mean that combining those things will make a third thing that you will also like. You argument seems to have been: if Iike 40k and I like MLP, then it's only natural that I would like MLP done 40k style.

Manchu wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote: in short, maybe some people like peanut butter and horseradish

It's my own fault for using that specific metaphor but this answer really doesn't address the main point: liking one thing and liking another thing doesn't automatically mean that combining those things will make a third thing that you will also like. You argument seems to have been: if Iike 40k and I like MLP, then it's only natural that I would like MLP done 40k style.

oh I agree mixing two things wont always mean that the result will be good/better or enjoyable/more enjoyable, but some people will like the outcome of odd combos and others will think its terrible. it's just the way things work.

the outcome of the two doesnt have to be better than either of the inputs, it just has to be enjoyable to the person who made it and if others like it then great if others hate it then oh well :/

Henners91 wrote:I notice that if you put 'Space Marines kill' into google, the top suggestion is 'Space Marines killing ponies'.


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OMFG so much win. This is going into a sig. Offending basement neckbeards a non-issue.

RatBot wrote:I said that I am incapable of cringing over models, but that's not entirely true; proxies make me cringe. That's about it. Painted models are better than unpainted models, but I don't really care if they're painted or not (I still have loads of unpainted minis so it'd be very hypocritical of me to judge).

As much as I like the 40K background and universe, and contrary to how many people take the game, it is, in fact, not serious business. Nazi IG? Depending on how it's done it could be pretty tasteless, but eh. Let's play. MLP Marines? Let's play. Hello Kitty Marines? Let's play. Dick Cheney is your Chaos Lord/Chapter Master? Hilarious.

I agree with this completely. I would much rather see any of the above, than some of the proxying I have had used against me over the years, which includes (but is not limited to), WFB movement trays as warbikes, marines with no arms (sometimes just a pair of legs stuck to a base), and even a 'Coke can carnifex' (yes really! All cliches have some truth in there somewhere )

Pacific wrote:

RatBot wrote:I said that I am incapable of cringing over models, but that's not entirely true; proxies make me cringe. That's about it. Painted models are better than unpainted models, but I don't really care if they're painted or not (I still have loads of unpainted minis so it'd be very hypocritical of me to judge).

As much as I like the 40K background and universe, and contrary to how many people take the game, it is, in fact, not serious business. Nazi IG? Depending on how it's done it could be pretty tasteless, but eh. Let's play. MLP Marines? Let's play. Hello Kitty Marines? Let's play. Dick Cheney is your Chaos Lord/Chapter Master? Hilarious.

I agree with this completely. I would much rather see any of the above, than some of the proxying I have had used against me over the years, which includes (but is not limited to), WFB movement trays as warbikes, marines with no arms (sometimes just a pair of legs stuck to a base), and even a 'Coke can carnifex' (yes really! All cliches have some truth in there somewhere )

How the heck do you work out LoS issues with a pair of legs? They must've gotten cover saves from everything!

Jidmah wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Oh and for those complaining about say: 'Nazi' IG, how do you feel about FoW players?

As pointed out before, there is a difference between playing a German WW2 army and a Nazi army. You can usually tell quickly from the amount of swastikas painted on tanks.
From looking at the FOW page, at least they know that the German army used a different symbolism. Though you shouldn't use some of the army case patches they offer in public here, unless you are curious about German police stations.

Thanks for clearing me up on that. I didn't know that the german army used different symbolism in that time. Alright now I know the difference which clears up my question.

The only thing I'd add Vikingscott, would be with FoW it isn't out of place. I know from reading threads a fair few folks use SS units for FoW.

Now its easy to jump straight to distasteful stance of mind as a reaction to that, unfortuntely SS units played an active role in front line combat, especially where certain tank regiments where concerned.

So I see a big difference between playing FoW and 40K with the imagery.
If its on 40K you are making some kind of statement, either you like the symbol, want to stand out with an army that is bound to force a reaction (I think this is the most common) or troll your local gaming scene etc.

Where in FoW, its a historical game, and unless you want endless allied battles, someone needs to pick up the bad guy. It also feels slightly different due to the historical nature of the game.

On saying that mind, if I played FoW, I'd still not be interested in playing against certain German forces, the werewolves for example.

Zweischneid wrote:A. I do play Tau

B. I know that most fan-theories would disagree with the Chaos theory and said so.

C. There is just as little actual support for C'Tan weapons or any of the other things you mentioned

D. The entire metaphysiology of "warp signatures" and whatever else isn't clearly defined in the first place. Corruption to Chaos comes from falling to certain vices. Show me a line in GW's work that absolutely rules out corruptions because of a lack of "warp signature" or whatever you have. The latter is not a free pass to indulge in whatever sin you have without risking corruption.

E. The Warp is a reflection of strong emotions, Tau do have emotions.

F. As said, even if it isn't the most probable explanation, Farsight as a chaos hook is a possible explanation. GW has purposfully kept alot of their background ambigious precisely so that there would not be just a single "true" explanation. The entire point is to allow scope for different people to piece in the gaps with different interpretations to make it "their own".

A) OK, Most of my post was meant for crimson, sorry about the poor edit.

B)Never said otherwise. Check towards the end of the post you were referencing and you will see that I don't have any problem with the concept on a house rule/game basis.

C)I think the primary support for Farsight not being Chaos is a lack of mutation in himself, his army and that there are Imperial worlds openly trading with him. Aside from his being a break-away faction there are no other hints. Even his armies colour scheme predates his breaking away.
This is subjective but think that it supports the concept of Farsight not being Chaos.

D)Your statement about sin kinda goes against the Tau fluff of them living peaceful idyllic lives outside of war. That they desire only the greater good and as such there would be no sin.
Also, there are many references to the Imperium and Inquisition wanting to know the secret of how the Etherals maintain such a well disciplined/wellbehaved/loyal populace. This seems to hint that the Tau culture is not like human culture.
Remember, the Tau are a race whose leaders resolves their worst disputes with blood-less duels that would be much like sword dancing or a form competition in martial arts.

E)Yes the Tau have emotions but the warp is described as being shaped/reflecting the strong emotion of latent psykers.
Also, please cite from the codex where they normally have "strong" emotions. It mentions that certain septs are viewed as being more fiery and aggressive in nature than other Tau, but that could be like saying that oatmeal has more flavor than grits.
Farsight is probably the exception here and even then, I belive, he was described as more disillusioned/disappointed than out right furious.

F) I understand and agree that GW doesn't get into the details of xenos backstory. I also agree with your thoughts on why this is so.
Now go back to my original post and read near the bottom,...the part where I list the situations that are acceptable to me. I say that I would play such armies, just within certain parameters.

Vaktathi wrote:

focusedfire wrote:
The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Everything is susceptible to Warp influence. If Chaos can turn the very soil and mundane plants and animals into twisted horrors, they can do it to the Tau. The Tau don't have a psyker gene, nor do most humans. Short lifespan is irrelevant.

If a warp storm erupts near a Tau world, there is nothing to say they'd be immune to it. Absolutely nothing. They just aren't very attractive targets it anything else is around.

The Tau are not some magical Warp-immune race. They just aren't flaming beacons to it as other races are. If exposed to the warp, there isn't a single shred of fluff, Tau or otherwise, that says they can't or won't be susceptible to its mutating (both physical and mental) effects.

Actually, One of the longest warp storms ever mentioned, not only erupted near the Tau Homeworld, It actually surrounded the Tau space and kept the Imperium away for 6000 years. Yet the Tau emmerged unscathed.

I'd say that this makes for a pretty good case that the Tau are not susceptible.

Kaldor wrote:Honestly, I don't see the problem with Chaos Tau.

Do the Tau want things?

Yes.

Can Daemons pretend to offer those things, in return for favours from the Tau?

Yes.

Therefore, the Tau can become the servants of Chaos.

Not having a significant warp process just means the forces of Chaos need to use an intermediary, like a cultist or someone.

Except that it is noted that the Tau are brought-up/trained to desire only the greater good. Having personal wants and desires is a big no-no in the Tau society.

The only Tau to come close to having personal desires was Farsight and even then his situation would be better described as battle fatigue or a disagreement on how best to represent the Greater good.

BTW, There is also another theory that Farsight has been under Ethereal direction the whole time. That he is on an "unofficially" sanctioned campain that allows the Tau Empire to deny responsibility for treaty violations.

Crimson wrote:

focusedfire wrote:
This is your assumption,
There is nothing in the Tau fluff that supports such and actually a lot that would argue against.
Farsights sword is usually thought to be a C'tan relic, an artifact from an extinct race or a prank played by Ceggorach-the Laughing God.

And that is your assumption. I'm not saying GW totally intended it to be Chaos thing, merely that this was my first thought when I read Farsight fluff, and it would fit in a way.

The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Less suspectible. They're not immune.

True, though with out more from GW we could argue both ways until we bo expire from old age. I will say that the Tau fluff from their codicii tend to support the concept of their immunity to corruption. IMO, this would be good in that it would both make them unique and give the Tau a fundamental role in the 40K universe. Many players have a problem with the Tau due to a perception that they don't fit/have a purpose in the 40k setting. Making them immune to chaotic corruption would give them a more easily understood purpose for those that don't

Before you bring up Farsights extended life-span, I'd like to point out that the best/most thourough fluff concerning him suggest that Farsight himself (may be/most likely) is dead.
That his Battlesuit, the sword and his name have become a rank that is handed down through the generations.

Obviously other Tau who have no idea of what Chaos can do would think this.

This view/idea was actually written/postulated from the Imperial point of view, not the Tau. I think that if Farsight was Chaos, it would have been put forward in the fluff as an excuse to bring an inquistor into the area.

I think it ironic, how people have no problem of suggesting major changes to the background of armies they don't play or like.
But, if someone suggested that something contridictory to the very essence of their army be allowed(Female SM's, BT, SW, GK, BA, DA or that they all get rolled back into one army), said individual would be very wroth with the those trying to bring about said change.

I like Tau, I'm just painting a litle bunch of Tau Mercenaries (yes, mercenaries, working for money, not for greater good!) as an allied detachment for my IG. And you can roll all marines into one codex for all I care, in fact, I'd prefer it. And I have no problem with people having female marines in their armies if they want.

1) Your army is IG and the points you referenced were of other armies. The question would be then, if people were actively campaining for a change to the fundamental backstory of the IG?

2)It would depend on how you are doing the mercs(Kinda like I said in my first post). Personally, You do them in Fasight colors or at least stay away from established loyal Tau Septs, no problem. If you are painting them up as one of the established/well known septs, then I would view your motives as to possibly being intentionally antagonistic.

A stranger with well done models for a house game,...no problem.
A stranger with poorly done models and with a hint of dickishness.....will probably pass.
Good friend doing it to f- with me......take it as a joke/compliment and play
Anyone trying to run Homebrew rules in a competition/tourney.........I will pass.

If you are going around trying to get people to accept them and the backstory or are campaigning for them to become a recognized faction/part of 40k Tau background, then look elsewhere for your games and support.

I think it is silly to assume that because Tau are resilient to corruption, that there can be no any Chaos Tau ever. This is such a limited view of Chaos and makes it look way to human centric and in a way powerless. All alien races are immune or protected in a way, Chaos can only ever influence humans. I find this boring and unnecessarily weak. Similarly I find it odd that people think races to be this monolithic blocks of clones. If fluff says that race X usually behaves like this and that, does not mean that every member of said race everywhere always does so.

I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan, but I'm not all of a sudden going to make an army in Red, White & Blue, stick the Rangers crest of their shoulder pads and paint their faces up to look like past Rangers football players. "Oh this is Brian Laudrup, he is my winger, That means a Librarian for your info".

If I did that I would expect somebody to find me certifiably insane and lock me away in a mental institution.

I like how painting little plastic space mans and naming your Chapter Master something like "Davius Killington" or what have you=normal healthy activity

BUT

painting little plastic space mans like a football team and naming your chapter master "David Beckham" or what have you=someone's gonna lock me up in a mental institution!

Really, if done well, I'd think it brilliant and probably have a good laugh.

focusedfire wrote:the Tau are brought-up/trained to desire only the greater good. Having personal wants and desires is a big no-no in the Tau society.

It doesn't matter. Even if the only thing they want is the Greater Good, Daemons can pretend to offer it to them.

And I don't believe the Tau only desire the Greater Good. I believe from memory that this is a trained state, and they must repress their more base desires. It's not a case of them simply not having those desires in the first place.

Been away for awhile, just wanted to say "hey Manchu."

-Phanatik

Kaldor wrote:

focusedfire wrote:the Tau are brought-up/trained to desire only the greater good. Having personal wants and desires is a big no-no in the Tau society.

It doesn't matter. Even if the only thing they want is the Greater Good, Daemons can pretend to offer it to them.

Are you sure about that?

Remember how Chaos manefests as the desires/fears of latent psykers. For them to manifest within the Tau,

1) The Tau would need to be psykers

2)If you don't agree with the Psyker thing, then there are two more questions:
2a)How does Chaos offer something that the Tau already have?
2b) By manifesting as the greater good, wouldn't chaos cease to be chaos?

What I am getting at here is that GW has established the method and reason for chaos having and acquiring power. In order for there to be chaos tau, you have to break the method established for how chaos works.
I'm not denying that chaos could try to manfest to and corrupt the Tau.

I am proposing that there is nothing to be gained for the forces of chaos to do so and, that quite likely, to do so only weakens chaos or alters it back to its original peaceful dream state.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:


How the heck do you work out LoS issues with a pair of legs? They must've gotten cover saves from everything!

I'd be willing to bet they(as in the legs) couldn't shoot back . Since the Model didn't have any eyes.

Kaldor wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

This game is clunky, complicated without being complex, confusing, counter-intuitive, and if played for it's own merits is worthless.

However, if taken as a way to immerse one-self in the background, and forge a narrative between two forces, it becomes an enjoyable way to spend some time and throw some dice.

It is impossible, IMO, to enjoy a game playing against out-of-universe forces, especially ones that deliberately poke fun like MLP marines or hello kitty marines. As soon as you pull them out of the case, I'd rather be at home playing video games.

Thank you, Kaldor! I'm okay with bronies because some of them genuinely do like the show, but MLP marines are usually a bad ironic joke. Honestly, I can't imagine liking 40k just for the rules, which tend to favor armies that stick to a certain meta and ruin every other army. If I wanted good rules and game balance only, I'd play WHFB.

I really don't think that pony marines are some horrible crime, I just find them annoying.

focusedfire wrote:Remember how Chaos manefests as the desires/fears of latent psykers. For them to manifest within the Tau,

1) The Tau would need to be psykers

2)If you don't agree with the Psyker thing, then there are two more questions:
2a)How does Chaos offer something that the Tau already have?
2b) By manifesting as the greater good, wouldn't chaos cease to be chaos?

What I am getting at here is that GW has established the method and reason for chaos having and acquiring power. In order for there to be chaos tau, you have to break the method established for how chaos works.
I'm not denying that chaos could try to manfest to and corrupt the Tau.

I am proposing that there is nothing to be gained for the forces of chaos to do so and, that quite likely, to do so only weakens chaos or alters it back to its original peaceful dream state.

Erm, no?

Daemons can manifest in the material realm by porting directly into a warp-sensitive creature. Or by travelling through a daemonic warp portal. They often seek mortals to do things for them, to create those daemonic warp portals and lessen the military strength on the 'material' side of said portal.

All they would need to do is convince some Tau citizens that the Greater Good will be advanced by them doing X. And in return, they only need to do Y. When in fact, both X and Y will result in furthering the Daemons goals.

Now, due to the reduced warp sensitivity of the Tau, a Daemon would need to operate through an intermediary, either a possessed mortal or a cultist, but that's hardly a massive limitation.

Focusedfire, I think we interpret Tau fluff slightly differently. I agree that they're mostly as you say, but I see there to be more room for individual variation. Not every Tau everywhere is in constant zen-like state thinking only the Greater Good, even if vast majority is.

And this is what I mean by Chaos being limited and human centric:
Chaos does not affect the Orks as they're orky and have Gork and Mork.
Chaos does not affect Tyranids because they're too alien and have hive mind.
Chaos does not affect Necrons because they're machines.
Chaos could affect Eldar, but they've paranoid about protecting themselves from it, so it really doesn't happen.
Chaos does not affect Tau because they have weak warp precence and think only the Greater Good.

Every major race has some excuse for there not to be a Chaos version of them*. This makes Chaos seem weak and humans look stupid. Every other race seems to have either on purpose or by even accident developed a way to protect themselves from Chaos.

(* Granted, Chaos plays a big part in the Eldar background, and it is ineresting there, so this example is not really like the others.)

Now I personally do not clamour for a Chaos army of any of these races, but I do not see the idea absolutely ridiculous either. It is difference of someting being unlikely and being impossible. I think Chaos Tau are unlikely, but not impossible.

DPBellathrom wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

no......

it's because people involved in two or more fandoms like to mix them. someone on here did a clone wars army because he was a big fan of star wars and wanted to have them as a 40K army. I like MLP and 40K and thought it would be funny/cool to have them as a 40K army, same goes for the blazblue themed henchmen army I'm working on. in short, people like to mix fandoms; not because they think their being witty and ironic but because their bringing together two things that they enjoy.

what your thinking of is stuff like angry marines or pretty marines, where it is all just a joke, nothing more.

But MLP fanboyism stemmed ultimately from shock value, no? A lot of the jokes like 'I'm a 28 year old Navy S.E.A.L.... and I bloomin' love My Little Pony!' Bronies ultimately found it amusing and appealing that it was acceptable to retain masculinity despite seemingly obsessing over something considered to be effeminate. It was a form of counter-culture and yet it's just descended into a new level of conformity.

I wouldn't play against someone with MLP marines. I only play against my friends, not tournaments or pick-up games with strangers. None of my friends would ever consider doing that. It's a non-issue for me, then.

Chaos Tau? No, we wouldn't do that as it wouldn't be fluffy at all. Lame, really.

My group tries to keep their army fluffy and their orks orky.

Well, sure they're both lame Kronk. But which is lamer?

Henners91 wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

no......

it's because people involved in two or more fandoms like to mix them. someone on here did a clone wars army because he was a big fan of star wars and wanted to have them as a 40K army. I like MLP and 40K and thought it would be funny/cool to have them as a 40K army, same goes for the blazblue themed henchmen army I'm working on. in short, people like to mix fandoms; not because they think their being witty and ironic but because their bringing together two things that they enjoy.

what your thinking of is stuff like angry marines or pretty marines, where it is all just a joke, nothing more.

But MLP fanboyism stemmed ultimately from shock value, no? A lot of the jokes like 'I'm a 28 year old Navy S.E.A.L.... and I bloomin' love My Little Pony!' Bronies ultimately found it amusing and appealing that it was acceptable to retain masculinity despite seemingly obsessing over something considered to be effeminate. It was a form of counter-culture and yet it's just descended into a new level of conformity.

no, it came from this:

man: huh, nothing to watch on TV/my kid wants daddy to watch TV with her

events happen such as boredom, watching TV with his kid, etc. that lead to MLP being on TV

man:.....hey, this show's pretty good. hey guys, check this out *sends link to his mate via email, word of mouth or whatever*

mans friends: hey your right, this show is pretty good.

thats how it started, same way that any TV show gets watched and enjoyed by an audience

bronies then came about by people talking about the show online, like star wars, star trek or any other TV show with a cult following

It might seem like a strange concept to people but a TV show CAN be enjoyed by people simply because its a GOOD TV show.

Manchu wrote:Well, sure they're both lame Kronk. But which is lamer?

Why do you have to rank something like this? People will just get butt-hurt about it either way.

MLP guys and Chaos Tau guys, keep doing your thing man, if you enjoy it. I'm not going to play either.

Edit: Inappropriate comment removed.

kronk wrote:A kick to the jimmy and a poke in the eye with a sharp stick both suck. I don't need to rank them from least suck to most suck.

The analogy is inappropriate. As made clear in the OP, the point isn't to rank suck but to ask whether conversions that (1) get the fluff "wrong" or (2) don't bother with the fluff at all are more unsettling to you.

Both are unsettling.

I don't want to see a Black Templar and Ork allied army list any more than I want to see a Kermit the Frog Space Marine.

Henners91 wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

no......

it's because people involved in two or more fandoms like to mix them. someone on here did a clone wars army because he was a big fan of star wars and wanted to have them as a 40K army. I like MLP and 40K and thought it would be funny/cool to have them as a 40K army, same goes for the blazblue themed henchmen army I'm working on. in short, people like to mix fandoms; not because they think their being witty and ironic but because their bringing together two things that they enjoy.

what your thinking of is stuff like angry marines or pretty marines, where it is all just a joke, nothing more.

But MLP fanboyism stemmed ultimately from shock value, no? A lot of the jokes like 'I'm a 28 year old Navy S.E.A.L.... and I bloomin' love My Little Pony!' Bronies ultimately found it amusing and appealing that it was acceptable to retain masculinity despite seemingly obsessing over something considered to be effeminate. It was a form of counter-culture and yet it's just descended into a new level of conformity.

Or it's just a simply Fandom, like warhammers fandom, sitcom fandom.

kronk wrote:a Black Templar and Ork allied army list

LOL, excellent point. Good luck to us all in 6th Edition.


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ZebioLizard2 wrote:Or it's just a simply Fandom, like warhammers fandom, sitcom fandom.

Er being a part of the fandom and just liking something are two pretty different things.