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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Well, this is sad news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492 In addition to that, Fox is reporting one has been captured, but I really hope they catch the missing one, scumbags is all I can say really without being banned.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
I guess some men just want to see the world burn...
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Post by: Frazzled
Some idiot on ABC was talking about how we need to revisit security, maybe put metal detectors up and all that gak. I say feth YOU PUSSY dill weed.
Two shooters, at least one with a rifle, and using gas. Sounds like Terror Terror to me.
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Post by: Medium of Death
I'd imagine he'll be falling up and down the station stairs right about now.
I'm surprised one of them got away.
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Post by: Frazzled
Reports are now saying it was one shooter. With that many hits though? I'll wait until more evidence comes in, but right now I don't believe it.
SOunds like seriously bad gak though. Gas thrown in and in confusion started firing away.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Yeah, when I first linked that this morning, it was about five lines of info. Much more information about it coming out now.
If i seemed a bit ticked off earlier by the way in the manner I posted it. well as a father, and the suggestion (not sure if its changed since) that children where among the victims. This kind of ego boosting 'I want to be famous' killing really gets under my skin.
Especially at a place like that, where families would be going to destress, relax or just have fun watching a movie for a few hours.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Frazzled wrote:Some idiot on ABC was talking about how we need to revisit security, maybe put metal detectors up and all that gak. I say feth YOU PUSSY dill weed.
Two shooters, at least one with a rifle, and using gas. Sounds like Terror Terror to me.
Well, plenty of people have a rifle, and there are plenty of mass shootings which are not politically terrorism related. For example, the Breikvik shooting was individual terrorism but really it was just a lone wolf. This was probably a lone wolf.
Unfortunately, a modern society cannot function with the level of security seen at airline departure lounges. It has been studied in the UK for use on the London Underground, and it simply is not logistically possible.
It would be even worse in the USA, where you need to allow for most people legitimately to be carrying guns.
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Post by: reds8n
ABC News have named one James Holmes, 24, of North Aurora, as the man arrested at the scene of the Denver cinema massacre during the midnight screening of the The Dark Knight Rises, wearing a a bullet-proof vest and riot helmet. He was captured in the car park outside the cinema with a gas mask, rifle, and handgun. And it is his apartment block which has been evacuated and searched as a result of fears of further action.
I am investigating whether a James Holmes of Denver, a friend of a Facebook friend of mine, is the same man.
It is also likely that questions about the Batman character and franchise itself will soon start to be asked publicly. One witness report that the shooting was timed to match shooting on the screen is a haunting one.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/07/20/dark-knight-massacre-suspect-named-as-james-holmes/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29
oh..
... Take a moment to consider what you're going to post please people. Bear in mind this is an as yet still unfolding tragedy, time and a place eh chaps/chappesses yes ? Thanks.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Hmmmmm... I wonder if some US politician will now demand a ban on bullets like a certain Toronto council member has demanded.
But seriously, this is just getting beyond stupid! First the TEC shooting last month, then the Danzig street mass shooting on Monday and now this mass shooting in Denver?! WTF is up with these useless idiot gakheads?!
I say the cops should have just shot him on sight and save the taxpayers the couple million that'll be blown on his trial.
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Post by: mattyrm
Bush had the right of it after the Virginia tech shootings, what the Americans need to do is make sure that MORE people have guns, so they can defend themselves better!
Or maybe, ignore the bible thumpers and the NRA and start to treat firearms like they do in the rest of the civilised world, and cut your shootings down by 90%
Either or, I'm happy with both personally, If I move, I'm getting a permit to carry and Ill wear body armour to the movies!
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Post by: Frazzled
And now people with their personal axes to grind start up. Automatically Appended Next Post: Wo there was a three month old baby there. Who the  brings a three month old to a Batman movie??? 
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Post by: snurl
Dontcha think maybe someone should have asked him why he was carrying a rifle into the theatre?
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Post by: Frazzled
snurl wrote:Dontcha think maybe someone should have asked him why he was carrying a rifle into the theatre?
Evidently:
1. He came in through the emergency entrance, wearing a gas mask. He threw in a tear gas bomb (no info if homemade but one report noteted "cannister" which opens a whole new bag of worms); and came in shooting along the main aisle especially at people trying to escape. At point of writing 20ish shots. Some witnesses thought he initially was targeting a specific area but this doesn't sound specific.
2. As an aside the theater was posted-no conceal carry. People legally carrying couldn't do so in that theater.
3. Again as an aside there were multiple kids in the theater. Again who brings elementary aged or under kids to a Nolan style Batman movie? Whats the encore - Deer Hunter?
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Post by: Testify
Things like these just shouldn't be reported at all. The motivations for these things are ALWAYS a desire for fame/to be understood and evaluated on tv by all the talking heads. Pyscologists are in no doubt about this.
The media is creating the market for this bs.
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Post by: Sturmtruppen
Experiment 626 wrote:Hmmmmm... I wonder if some US politician will now demand a ban on bullets like a certain Toronto council member has demanded.
But seriously, this is just getting beyond stupid! First the TEC shooting last month, then the Danzig street mass shooting on Monday and now this mass shooting in Denver?! WTF is up with these useless idiot gakheads?!
I say the cops should have just shot him on sight and save the taxpayers the couple million that'll be blown on his trial.
I find your shortsightedness discomforting.
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Post by: Jihadin
unbelieveable. I stand a better chance here in getting kill then overseas....and I'm unarmed here
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Post by: mattyrm
Frazzled wrote:And now people with their personal axes to grind start up.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Wo there was a three month old baby there. Who the brings a three month old to a Batman movie???
Was that addressed to me? I don't have an axe to grind.. I like guns!
I'm just saying, you know.. in the US every fether gets shot because there are guns everywhere. Common sense says to me that everyone being tooled up is fething stupid.
Its hardly an axe to grind, I like guns, and If I move to CA im getting myself one.
Well maybe two. Walking around in the US without a gun seems pretty dumb in this day and age!
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Post by: warpcrafter
Frazzled wrote:Some idiot on ABC was talking about how we need to revisit security, maybe put metal detectors up and all that gak. I say feth YOU PUSSY dill weed.
Two shooters, at least one with a rifle, and using gas. Sounds like Terror Terror to me.
What's that sound I hear? Oh, yeah, it's Alex Jones saying "I told you so!". This is a false flag two for one deal. More fedgov stormtroopers on the streets and another excuse to get rid of the second amendment. Yay.... 
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Post by: Kanluwen
Frazzled wrote:Reports are now saying it was one shooter. With that many hits though? I'll wait until more evidence comes in, but right now I don't believe it.
SOunds like seriously bad gak though. Gas thrown in and in confusion started firing away.
From the way reports are coming, it makes sense there was an assumption of an accomplice.
One witness stated that he saw an individual "appearing to talk upon a cell phone" and then walk out the emergency exit that the shooter used.
Another witness has stated that the shooter was very "calm and methodical", wearing a gas mask so he could continue to see and apparently only firing a shot when he had one.
Makes me fething sick to think about all this. This had to have been planned out far in advance, and the fact that seemingly the shooter stashed his equipment outside on the premises is worrying.
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Post by: Frazzled
Jihadin wrote:unbelieveable. I stand a better chance here in getting kill then overseas....and I'm unarmed here
"You just shot an unarmed man!"
"He should have armed himself."
-Unforgiven.
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Post by: BlueDagger
Yeah, that theater is about 15 mins from me, it's refered to as the Belmar movie theater. Been getting texts and PMs all morning.
The guys was very methodical from reports tossed tear gas canisters and went to town while wearing a Joker T-Shirt. The audience didn't have a chance to react as at first they though it was part of the show, until the canister explosions went off.
He was toting a "rifle", shotgun, and some pistols. The investigation at his place had no evidence of bomb materials, but there were a LOT of guns and "buckets of bullets".
Apparently in CO we breed crazy through stress? Dude was 24you with no prior criminal history.
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Post by: Frazzled
mattyrm wrote:Frazzled wrote:And now people with their personal axes to grind start up.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Wo there was a three month old baby there. Who the brings a three month old to a Batman movie???
Was that addressed to me? I don't have an axe to grind.. I like guns!
I'm just saying, you know.. in the US every fether gets shot because there are guns everywhere. Common sense says to me that everyone being tooled up is fething stupid.
Its hardly an axe to grind, I like guns, and If I move to CA im getting myself one.
Well maybe two. Walking around in the US without a gun seems pretty dumb in this day and age!
You won't ":get rid of the guns." All you'll do is restrict legal owners. Again, its already illegal to go around blowing stuff up, and the theater was being all PC with the No CC posting.
Frazzled resists the urge to note this stuff never seems to occur in police stations or at the local pistol competition. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kanluwen wrote:Frazzled wrote:Reports are now saying it was one shooter. With that many hits though? I'll wait until more evidence comes in, but right now I don't believe it.
SOunds like seriously bad gak though. Gas thrown in and in confusion started firing away.
From the way reports are coming, it makes sense there was an assumption of an accomplice.
One witness stated that he saw an individual "appearing to talk upon a cell phone" and then walk out the emergency exit that the shooter used.
Another witness has stated that the shooter was very "calm and methodical", wearing a gas mask so he could continue to see and apparently only firing a shot when he had one.
Makes me fething sick to think about all this. This had to have been planned out far in advance, and the fact that seemingly the shooter stashed his equipment outside on the premises is worrying.
yea thats crazy...organized. Right now we'll default to crazy.
Further reports note his residence was indeed boobytrapped when the police went to check it out.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Yup, there's going to be a big press conference in a bit apparently.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I'm just waiting for the people to start blaming the movie for everything, ala "He took inspiration from the Joker/Bane!!!!"
And then it will be a S**t-storm of an avalanche that ruins the movie (and all others like it) for the rest of use people who plan on seeing it like adults and then NOT planning on hurting anyone.
It'll be a case of blame something other than the crazy person who wronged everyone. In the same way that "spoons make me fat", lol.
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Post by: Breotan
The template isn't "the movie did it." The template is "right wing media" did it. Brian Ross of ABC News needs to do journalism a favor and quit. It's one thing to have a political agenda but trying to link the shooting to the Tea Party is just despicable. I would like to see news shows REPORT the news instead of trying to "spin" it.
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Post by: Easy E
That's interesting, because I saw this....
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Knight-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat
James Holmes, the suspect arrested in connection with the mass shootings at a screening of the new Batman movie early this morning in Aurora, CO, could be a registered Democrat, according to documents obtained by Breitbart News. Earlier, ABC News' Brian Ross and George Stephanopoulos speculated on Good Morning America that Holmes was a Tea Party member, based solely on a name appearing on a Tea Party website.
The James Holmes for whom Breitbart News has obtained documentation is 25 years old (the suspect has been reported as 24 years old). He has links to addresses in both Colorado and San Diego, where his mother has been reported to be from, according to news reports. He was issued a traffic citation in 2011--his sole run-in with the law. The same is true for the suspect arrested in connection with the shootings, according to reports. Update: Fox News reports that the suspect has a California-issued social security number, as does the man in the documents obtained by Breitbart News--a significant correlation, assuming the sources are independent.
Furthermore, the James Holmes for whom records were obtained by Breitbart News registered as a Democrat on June 14, 2011. He registered from an address in La Plata County, Colorado, and his status is listed as "inactive."
Breitbart News has not confirmed that this James Holmes is in fact the suspect, but the details above appear to match closely. There are certainly more facts in our documents than in ABC News' irresponsible speculations.
Is it too soon for all these stupid political games? Apparently not!
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Post by: Frazzled
Just look at the comments on the Washington Post. It was immediate.
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Post by: ChrisPatrickJones
RIP to those who have died, such a horrible thing to happen.
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Post by: reds8n
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
Way to blame the victim there.
.. I'm not entirely sure that more people firing -- bearing in mind the complete confusion, the darkness and that whole tear gas thing -- would really have helped matters here in any way whatsoever.
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Post by: kronk
Crazy people do crazy gak.
This one cost a lot of innocent people their lives.
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Post by: Portugal Jones
reds8n wrote:Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
Way to blame the victim there.
Unfortunately, Bulletproof Jesus, with his divine immunity to teargas and infallible ability to acquire a target and hit it in a dark and chaotic room, was six theaters down watching 'Magic Mike.'
Gohmert seems to be just another one of those ignorant yabbos who thinks guns are the peachiest thing ever, and since he's never actually held or been trained on how to use a gun, thinks that real life runs on hit scan mechanics.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Way to blame the victim there.
.. I'm not entirely sure that more people firing -- bearing in mind the complete confusion, the darkness and that whole tear gas thing -- would really have helped matters here in any way whatsoever.
Absolutely. Opening up in return fire in a crowded, insane mess of a dark and tear-gas filled room only works out well in an idiot's mind.
Hell, if there's an evil to action movies, it's that they promote the mindset that any Joe-everyman can pull off such things like they're friggin' Jason Bourne. Otherwise, action movies are just damn good entertainment.
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Post by: BlueDagger
reds8n wrote:Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
Way to blame the victim there.
.. I'm not entirely sure that more people firing -- bearing in mind the complete confusion, the darkness and that whole tear gas thing -- would really have helped matters here in any way whatsoever.
The audience didn't really even have time to react. Unless they were a hardcore trained shooter with a concealed carry and didn't observe the "no concealed carry" of the theater, there wasn't a chance. You are watching a premier and a dude in a gas mask with a Joker shirt comes walking through the emergency exit, the first reaction was it's a stunt as part of the show. They audience didn't realize it wasn't until the gas canisters went off and at that point you have a dark theater, full of panicking people, and tear gas blinding/disorienting you. If you have never been hit by tear gas or CS gas, I'll let you know that the last thing you are thinking is pulling out your gun and trying to draw sites on a dude at the front of a dark theater while people are screaming and running around.
Not to mention the fact that the guy had a "High Caliber AR15" and would have put a hole right through any cover you fired behind.
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Post by: kronk
reds8n wrote:Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
Way to blame the victim there. .. I'm not entirely sure that more people firing -- bearing in mind the complete confusion, the darkness and that whole tear gas thing -- would really have helped matters here in any way whatsoever.
As Frazz has mentioned, it was a no CC location. You aren't allowed to bring firearms in there with you. Of course no one was armed. This guy is a dumbass. Googled him. This is the Terror Baby Plot guy: On August 12, 2010, Gohmert appeared on Anderson Cooper 360° to defend recent comments he made on the floor of the House regarding "terror babies". Initially, Gohmert had claimed (in a speech made on the House floor in June 2010) that an ex-FBI agent had told him about "terror baby" plots. On Fox Business News, Gohmert had later claimed that an airline passenger with a relative in Hamas had a grandchild who was to be intentionally born in the United States.[14] In the interview, Gohmert asserted that pregnant women from the Middle East are traveling to the US on tourist visas, planning to deliver the child there. According to the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, this automatically grants citizenship to the child. Gohmert asserted that the child would then be returned to the mother's home country and be submitted to a life of terrorist training. When repeatedly asked by the host for any evidence of this, Gohmert did not provide substantiation for either the ex-FBI agent story or the airline passenger story, but gave a description of a Washington Post article,[15] which described so-called "birth tourism" packages, mainly directed at Chinese tourists. These packages (one was described in the article for $14,750) were described by Gohmert as a "gaping hole in the security of our country". When asked several times by Cooper for the connection and any corroborating evidence, Gohmert responded "If you don't think this is evidence, you have to believe that the terrorists are more stupid than these enterprising people".[16] The Daily Show later parodied this incident.[17]
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Post by: AegisGrimm
The real hero's in that movie theater are the ones that helped other people get out to safety rather than just themselves.
Someday when/if the gak hits the fan I hope I can pull it together enough to help other people and not just panic.
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Post by: reds8n
Opening up in return fire in a crowded, insane mess of a dark and tear-gas filled room only works out well in an idiot's mind.
.. the guy's a politician yeah...
..
Terrible event indeed.
I think if people had been armed -- and I have no idea of the likelihood of people simply ignoring the ban on CC weapon anyway -- and had fired back or responded the whole situation would have been much worse.
Must have been confusing enough for the Police, ambulances etc all arriving without also having to try and work out which one of the multiple people shooting was the spanker responsible for this.
The real hero's in that movie theater are the ones that helped other people get out to safety rather than just themselves.
Yup. 
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Post by: Manchu
Thinking about this, I keep asking "why?" What was his motivation? What was his worldview to do something like this? And I feel like those are the wrong questions. Maybe none of us should give a feth why anymore. Maybe the idea of us asking why is part of the why, like in Se7en. Guys like this want to be wondered about, talked about, analyzed. No one would care otherwise, I guess. Maybe he'd just be a troll on a message board otherwise.
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Post by: Frazzled
reds8n wrote:Opening up in return fire in a crowded, insane mess of a dark and tear-gas filled room only works out well in an idiot's mind.
.. the guy's a politician yeah...
..
Terrible event indeed.
I think if people had been armed -- and I have no idea of the likelihood of people simply ignoring the ban on CC weapon anyway -- and had fired back or responded the whole situation would have been much worse.
Must have been confusing enough for the Police, ambulances etc all arriving without also having to try and work out which one of the multiple people shooting was the spanker responsible for this.
The real hero's in that movie theater are the ones that helped other people get out to safety rather than just themselves.
Yup.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer puts six in his chest.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer starts trading fire, giving some people who have died a chance to get out of there.
I'd rather have an additional option in chaos than to wait for the executioner thank you very much. Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:Thinking about this, I keep asking "why?" What was his motivation? What was his worldview to do something like this? And I feel like those are the wrong questions. Maybe none of us should give a feth why anymore. Maybe the idea of us asking why is part of the why, like in Se7en. Guys like this want to be wondered about, talked about, analyzed. No one would care otherwise, I guess. Maybe he'd just be a troll on a message board otherwise.
Some people are just crazy. Some people just want to see the world burn. Some people are evil. Evil exists.
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Frazzled wrote:
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer puts six in his chest.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer starts trading fire, giving some people who have died a chance to get out of there.
I'd rather have an additional option in chaos than to wait for the executioner thank you very much.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer, not being immune to tear gas or being able to see very well shoots an entirely innocent person.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHler starts trading fire and even more people are killed in the crossfire.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer opens fire back and is then gunned down by police as an accomplice.
Or..
We can do this all night if you'd like.
But essentially you have to realise that you're not dirty harry and this is the real world.
.. which brings me nicely to..
http://www.bonfils.org/
is the site of a local bloodbank. Apparently they ahve donated and are looking for/want more donors.
" Blood banks are looking for (/u/srepetsk) O-, A-, and platelet donors. "
Reddit : http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wvimc/comprehensive_timeline_part_3_aurora_massacre/
has a good thorough timeline and also numbers you can use to contact people, check up etc etc.
Hope any and all Dakkanauts and their families are all hale and hearty.
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Post by: Ahtman
One also has to remember the slow reaction time was also due in part to the guy being dressed like one of the characters in the film. It would take a minute to catch on that this wasn't some elaborate hoax or part of the show. When I was at the show there where at least two people there dressed as Bane wearing masks and body armor, or a facsimile of body armor. If 30 minutes into the movie one of them had whipped out a gun I don't think anyone would have taken much notice initially.
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Post by: Frazzled
reds8n wrote:Frazzled wrote:
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer puts six in his chest.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer starts trading fire, giving some people who have died a chance to get out of there.
I'd rather have an additional option in chaos than to wait for the executioner thank you very much.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer, not being immune to tear gas or being able to see very well shoots an entirely innocent person.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHler starts trading fire and even more people are killed in the crossfire.
Or crazy starts shooting, and CHLer opens fire back and is then gunned down by police as an accomplice.
Or..
We can do this all night if you'd like.
But essentially you have to realise that you're not dirty harry and this is the real world.
NO one said they were (well except Dirty Harry). I'd rather have the option than try to go at him barehanded.
There have been several instances where shooters have stopped at churches, bars, etc. They just aren't reported much because, nothing much happens.
Would you feel safer in a movie theater knowing there were ten off duty cops sitting in it, or a theater there were none? Automatically Appended Next Post: Ahtman wrote:One also has to remember the slow reaction time was also due in part to the guy being dressed like one of the characters in the film. It would take a minute to catch on that this wasn't some elaborate hoax or part of the show. When I was at the show there where at least two people there dressed as Bane wearing masks and body armor, or a facsimile of body armor. If 30 minutes into the movie one of them had whipped out a gun I don't think anyone would have taken much notice initially.
Expecially during a loud movie scene.
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Post by: reds8n
Would you feel safer in a movie theater knowing there were ten off duty cops sitting in it, or a theater there were none?
Depends.. am I Ian Tomlinson or not ?
I do feel safer sitting in a cinema in a country where events like this are much rarer than they are in the USA, but, of course, YMMV.
... and bear in mind I've watched/read about you being outsmarted by a pair of dogs so... 
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Post by: Frazzled
reds8n wrote:Would you feel safer in a movie theater knowing there were ten off duty cops sitting in it, or a theater there were none?
Depends.. am I Ian Tomlinson or not ?
I do feel safer sitting in a cinema in a country where events like this are much rarer than they are in the USA, but, of course, YMMV.
... and bear in mind I've watched/read about you being outsmarted by a pair of dogs so...
I swear something like this happened in Northern Europe recently. Wasn't there also the matter of a bus bomb in Europe that has the Israelis getting all hot and bothered?
Also it took a pair of dogs to outsmart me.... 
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Post by: hotsauceman1
What turns someone who was close to a PHD into a killer?
This is just a sensless waste of life. All those people dead from one deranged man. Im really wondering what happened to that guy. Very few turn out ike that w/o some traumatic event or predisposition.
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Post by: Ahtman
hotsauceman1 wrote:What turns someone who was close to a PHD into a killer?
Psychotic breaks aren't just something for the uneducated. Insanity, or just being a huge donkey-cave, has no real correlation to education level.
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Edited by Manchu.
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Post by: Breotan
reds8n wrote:I do feel safer sitting in a cinema in a country where events like this are much rarer than they are in the USA, but, of course, YMMV.
Much rarer than in the USA? How many have there been in the USA? One? Is that really enough to make you feel unsafe? This alone indicates there is a much greater chance of getting hit by a car in England than getting shot in a cinema in the USA, but, of course, YMMV.
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Post by: Ahtman
Breotan wrote:reds8n wrote:I do feel safer sitting in a cinema in a country where events like this are much rarer than they are in the USA, but, of course, YMMV.
Much rarer than in the USA? How many have there been in the USA? One?
You think there has only been one shooting in the USA? The Tuscon shooter, Columbine, Fort Hood, several University shootings over the last few years, and on and on.
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Post by: Frazzled
Breotan wrote:reds8n wrote:I do feel safer sitting in a cinema in a country where events like this are much rarer than they are in the USA, but, of course, YMMV.
Much rarer than in the USA? How many have there been in the USA? One? Is that really enough to make you feel unsafe? This alone indicates there is a much greater chance of getting hit by a car in England than getting shot in a cinema in the USA, but, of course, YMMV.
I was remembering the car by the er...nutjob... a while back that mowed into a bunch of people. Running a car into a major premier crowd would be equally horrific. Too many ways for a wack job to go berserk if you start to think about it.
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Post by: kronk
Rent a u_haul, plow through a crowd.
Don't need a gun to kill or injure a lot of people.
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Post by: Ahtman
kronk wrote:Rent a u_haul, plow through a crowd.
Don't need a gun to kill or injure a lot of people.
Well of course, though I don't think that argument was put forth that there are no other ways to extinguish a human life. Still, it seems a bit odd to equate a U-haul truck and a firearm. One is made for the express purpose of killing, and the other is vehicle designed for transporting objects.
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Post by: Breotan
Frazzled wrote:Too many ways for a wack job to go berserk if you start to think about it.
Very true. And it's too tragic when it happens to tolerate anyone using incidents like this as a political tar ball.
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Post by: kronk
Ahtman wrote:kronk wrote:Rent a u_haul, plow through a crowd.
Don't need a gun to kill or injure a lot of people.
Well of course, though I don't think that argument was put forth that there are no other ways to extinguish a human life. Still, it seems a bit odd to equate a U-haul truck and a firearm. One is made for the express purpose of killing, and the other is vehicle designed for transporting objects.
I certainly wasn't equating the two so much as I was responding to reds8n's comment. He is right that an event such as the tragedy in Denver is less likely (perhaps not at all likely) to happen in the UK; however, I'm just pointing out that you aren't necessarily any safer in the UK from nut-jobs. If someone wants to hurt or kill a lot of people, they'll find a way.
But perhaps this isn't the time or place for that discussion.
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Post by: Breotan
Now everyone is worrying about copycats. :/
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Post by: reds8n
Breotan wrote:Much rarer than in the USA?
Yes.
Much much rarer.
2011 saw 51 gun related deaths in the UK.
The USA in that time saw over 30,000 -- with the vast majority of thse being accidental/non criminal related. It's about 8,ooo criminal deaths caused in the USA in that year.
Plus I know that I am far more unlikely to have a poorly trained -- being generous-- joe nobody sat with a gun who thinks he can be a hero and add to the carnage.
How many have there been in the USA? One? Is that really enough to make you feel unsafe?
In isolation, no of course not. Despite the tragic events I'd feel safe in Norway for example.
Far safer than I would feel in the USA, and that's without taking the attitude of much of the countries population over things like this into the equation as well.
This alone indicates there is a much greater chance of getting hit by a car in England than getting shot in a cinema in the USA, but, of course, YMMV.
What does ?
I have no idea what you're talking about. The UK has one of the best road safety records in the world
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15975720
"In 2010, the police recorded 1,850 deaths "
as far as I can tell in the same year the USA had 32,885
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year
.. so.. seems our roads and drivers are safer as well.
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Post by: Jihadin
Olny thing I would really like for them to clear up since its on everyone minds without knowing. Do we actaully have a killer or a homegrown terrorist. Even though no connection to known terrorist grps doesn't mean he didn't doodle some crazy anti gov't crap in his apartment
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Post by: Breotan
reds8n wrote:Breotan wrote:Much rarer than in the USA?
Yes.
Much much rarer.
2011 saw 51 gun related deaths in the UK.
The USA in that time saw over 30,000 -- with the vast majority of thse being accidental/non criminal related. It's about 8,ooo criminal deaths caused in the USA in that year.
In theaters? Really? I don't believe you.
Now, back on topic:
Jihadin wrote:Olny thing I would really like for them to clear up since its on everyone minds without knowing. Do we actaully have a killer or a homegrown terrorist. Even though no connection to known terrorist grps doesn't mean he didn't doodle some crazy anti gov't crap in his apartment
Last I heard, there were reports of bombs and boobytraps in his apartment. I'm guessing home grown nut job.
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Post by: Slarg232
AegisGrimm wrote:The real hero's in that movie theater are the ones that helped other people get out to safety rather than just themselves.
Someday when/if the gak hits the fan I hope I can pull it together enough to help other people and not just panic.
Agreed.
Also, to another point, can we get like five of these nut-jobs together and send them on their way to congress? Holy gak, the day of the attack and they are already pulling out the "Oh he was registered as a Democrat" bull . Makes me feel sick to my stomach.....
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Post by: BlueDagger
That's because in most UK cities you can go about 5mph due to traffic ;D. I'll agree though that we have more gun and vehicles deaths. As a whole I'd even agree that Americans are more violent. I would also agree that on average an American is under more stress and has more chemicals self injected into it (fast food, pop, energy drinks, etc).
One thing that we do that I don;t know if the UK does is we go through painstaking means to make sure Darwins Law doesn't take effect and the stupid can't kill themselves off. There is some days i wish we didn't
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Post by: Breotan
Slarg232 wrote:Holy gak, the day of the attack and they are already pulling out the "Oh he was registered as a Democrat" bull . Makes me feel sick to my stomach.....
Where have you been all day? ABC News said he was with the Tea Party early on. Political partisans have been slinging mud at each other over this all day.
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Post by: Slarg232
Breotan wrote:Slarg232 wrote:Holy gak, the day of the attack and they are already pulling out the "Oh he was registered as a Democrat" bull . Makes me feel sick to my stomach.....
Where have you been all day? ABC News said he was with the Tea Party early on. Political partisans have been slinging mud at each other over this all day.
I get up at 5 A.M. to get to work by 7:30 and work till 1:30 on a short day, then drive back.
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Post by: Frazzled
Jihadin wrote:Olny thing I would really like for them to clear up since its on everyone minds without knowing. Do we actaully have a killer or a homegrown terrorist. Even though no connection to known terrorist grps doesn't mean he didn't doodle some crazy anti gov't crap in his apartment
Reports are saying he did his hair like the Joker and told police he was said Joker. I'm thinking nutjob.
Whats the population of the UK statistic by the way? The US has 320mm people.
How many stabbings? It would be interesting to compare the number of stabbings and aggravated assaults with weaponry as a comparison.
Do we really want to get into this on this thread? Automatically Appended Next Post: Also why is there no discussion of the tear gas? I don't think a tear gas bomb is exactly legal.
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Post by: whembly
Frazzled wrote:Jihadin wrote:Olny thing I would really like for them to clear up since its on everyone minds without knowing. Do we actaully have a killer or a homegrown terrorist. Even though no connection to known terrorist grps doesn't mean he didn't doodle some crazy anti gov't crap in his apartment
Reports are saying he did his hair like the Joker and told police he was said Joker. I'm thinking nutjob.
Definately nutjob... I've got friends/family in that area.
Let's take a deep breath, pray for the victims and let the authority sort this out... there's a lot of misinformation going around.
Whats the population of the UK statistic by the way? The US has 320mm people.
How many stabbings? It would be interesting to compare the number of stabbings and aggravated assaults with weaponry as a comparison.
Do we really want to get into this on this thread?
My 2 cents when comparing stats from one country vs. another... the methodology of "counting" stats between countries are different, so keep that in mind.
Also why is there no discussion of the tear gas? I don't think a tear gas bomb is exactly legal.
There are different kinds of tear gas... but, yes they're legal up to a certain size. (they are regulated at a state-by-state basis).
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Post by: Ahtman
So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.
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Post by: Ouze
Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.
Nah, it's about normal: the media has passed from the "reporting the initial skimpy information" phase, and now they're in the "making gak up phase" since they have no real information to report.
In my experience with a large news event like this, you can't really read the news usefully for at least a day. The mandate was overturned, Giffords is dead, and so on; but hey, at least they reported it first right?
Also, 12 dead and 60 wounded? How the hell can you do that without an accomplice or an automatic weapon?? Incredible really.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.
Well not really.
Initial reports(and the majority of the reports the police have been passing along) had him simply dressed in all black.
A few of those reports mentioned Bane and the Joker, but not in the way that he was "dressed like him".
The majority of the reports of him in all black made note however of the fact that he had "no skin showing and a gas mask", but the few where the witnesses reported those two characters made it clear that they were referring to the SWAT team members on-screen during both kind of "confrontation" sequences who were wearing full tactical gear with helmet, kevlar, and gas masks/balacavas.
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Post by: CuddlySquig
Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.
He wore a gasmask (perhaps resembling Bane's) and dyed his hair red while calling himself the Joker. I'm no comic book but, but I'm pretty sure he got the costume wrong.
As for my opinions on this: Don't go crying for gun control or blaming this party or that politician. This guy's tired of life and, before he goes, he wants to be known as a real-life comic book villain. He wants to be the next Eric Harris, the next Dylan Klebold. Egocentric acts of self-defeating destruction are not a right wing or left wing idea, it's just an elaborate form of suicide. He's miserable, that's all there is to it.
Don't eternally attach this guy to Batman, that's what he wants. Forget this man's name, don't call what happened the "dark knight shooting" and forget it ever happened (unless it personally affected you). Go out tomorrow, tonight, or head out right now and watch The Dark Knight Rises and form memories around the film that have nothing to do with this shooting.
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Post by: Ahtman
Kanluwen wrote:Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.
Well not really.
I saw a few that did, so, yes really. Several news sites used language along the lines of "wearing body armor and a gas mask like the villain in the movie, Bane". Just because you didn't read those stories early this morning doesn't mean they didn't happen.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Ahtman wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.
Well not really.
I saw a few that did, so, yes really. Several news sites used language along the lines of "wearing body armor and a gas mask like the villain in the movie, Bane". Just because you didn't read those stories early this morning doesn't mean they didn't happen.
I'm meaning more that there's a jumble of reports coming in.
The majority of the semi-"confirmed" statements(notably: that of the police) make no reference to him having anything tied to the characters in question.
People try to relate things that are unfamiliar to them to the familiar. In a dark theater, when you're affected by tear gas, a standard issue police gas mask might look very similar to the mask you just saw on screen.
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Post by: Ahtman
Kanluwen wrote:Ahtman wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.
Well not really.
I saw a few that did, so, yes really. Several news sites used language along the lines of "wearing body armor and a gas mask like the villain in the movie, Bane". Just because you didn't read those stories early this morning doesn't mean they didn't happen.
I'm meaning more that there's a jumble of reports coming in.
The majority of the semi-"confirmed" statements(notably: that of the police) make no reference to him having anything tied to the characters in question.
People try to relate things that are unfamiliar to them to the familiar. In a dark theater, when you're affected by tear gas, a standard issue police gas mask might look very similar to the mask you just saw on screen.
I didn't say that he was connected to the film or that even the stories were connecting it to the film, just that the stories used Bane as a descriptor. I found it odd early reports were using Bane to describe it, and later, the Joker.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Ahtman wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Ahtman wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Ahtman wrote:So he was dressed like Bane in some reports, and in others like the Joker. How odd.
Well not really.
I saw a few that did, so, yes really. Several news sites used language along the lines of "wearing body armor and a gas mask like the villain in the movie, Bane". Just because you didn't read those stories early this morning doesn't mean they didn't happen.
I'm meaning more that there's a jumble of reports coming in.
The majority of the semi-"confirmed" statements(notably: that of the police) make no reference to him having anything tied to the characters in question.
People try to relate things that are unfamiliar to them to the familiar. In a dark theater, when you're affected by tear gas, a standard issue police gas mask might look very similar to the mask you just saw on screen.
I didn't say that he was connected to the film or that even the stories were connecting it to the film, just that the stories used Bane as a descriptor. I found it odd early reports were using Bane to describe it, and later, the Joker.
The Joker bit seems to be a new development.
Apparently, a "federal law enforcement source close to the investigation" informed news agencies that Holmes had dyed his hair red and told police upon his arrest that he was "The Joker".
Hadn't caught that bit yet, but there's going to clearly be a lot of developments coming.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Now this is really sad: http://news.sympatico.ctvnews.ca/home/colorado_shooting_victim_survived_toronto_eaton_centre_shooting/5ea17146
She barely avoided one tragic mass shooting, and ended up losing her life in another barely a month and a half later.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
Wow, talk about bad luck.
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Post by: mattyrm
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Wow, talk about bad luck.
That really is gak fething luck.
You know, the number one thing I always tell people that is the best about spending years of your life living in gak as a soldier is that you really start appreciate the little things, cold water, hot showers, ice cream.. but most importantly, gak luck. Sometimes a battle leaves the best among you dead and the most incompetent still kicking.
Life is not cruel, its just cold, hard, and pitiless. gak happens, and its all dumb luck. YMMV, but that gak always made me feel way better about my life. Far more than any Religion could. gak happens, and gak happens to good people and good things happen to gak people.
Baby rapers can live to a hundred and I might get a brain tumour tomorrow, but isn't that more comfortable a thought than the fact that there is a grand plan but it involves you dying really young?!
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Post by: Ouze
I read about that, and was reminded of this guy. Granted, to a lesser extent.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
Ouze wrote:
I read about that, and was reminded of this guy. Granted, to a lesser extent.
That's insane. Two atomic bombs and he only dies from cancer in 2010. Man must have had the constitution of tempered steel.
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Post by: CT GAMER
reds8n wrote:Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
Way to blame the victim there.
.. I'm not entirely sure that more people firing -- bearing in mind the complete confusion, the darkness and that whole tear gas thing -- would really have helped matters here in any way whatsoever.
I stopped reading at "R-Texas".
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Post by: Jihadin
Hey Frazz...when you go to the movies...how many attack weinres you have in your pants?
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Jihadin wrote:unbelieveable. I stand a better chance here in getting kill then overseas....and I'm unarmed here
Want really bad odds, be a returning Native American vet in New York state. There you can look forward to being shot in the back of New York State Police, left to bleed out while the police refuse to allow medevac to treat you, and then your family can be told that all the police radio and vehicle recording have vanished, so there's no evidence of a crime.
That said, I feel sorry for the victims of this business and their families. Sadly, it sounds like this guy put some planning and effort into this pointless act.
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Post by: CT GAMER
Jihadin wrote:Hey Frazz...when you go to the movies...how many attack weinres you have in your pants?
His weiner is usually OUT of his pants in a movie theatre... 
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Post by: BaronIveagh
CT GAMER wrote:
I stopped reading at "R-Texas".
Nothing wrong with R-Texas. The problem is the 'politician' part. A finding a politician from Texas is like finding a Welshman with Berber Arabs. You know he's not really from around there.
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Post by: purplefood
BaronIveagh wrote:CT GAMER wrote:
I stopped reading at "R-Texas".
Nothing wrong with R-Texas. The problem is the 'politician' part. A finding a politician from Texas is like finding a Welshman with Berber Arabs. You know he's not really from around there.
Finding a welshman anywhere outside of wales or the surrounding area is kinda weird...
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Post by: mattyrm
CT GAMER wrote:reds8n wrote:Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
Way to blame the victim there.
.. I'm not entirely sure that more people firing -- bearing in mind the complete confusion, the darkness and that whole tear gas thing -- would really have helped matters here in any way whatsoever.
I stopped reading at "R-Texas".
Yeah that's my interest about fethed as well by the T bit. 
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Post by: Mannahnin
Sad incident. The scale of it is pretty scary. 71 people shot by one guy; 12 of them dead.
Some crazies out there.
Frazzled wrote:Jihadin wrote:Olny thing I would really like for them to clear up since its on everyone minds without knowing. Do we actaully have a killer or a homegrown terrorist. Even though no connection to known terrorist grps doesn't mean he didn't doodle some crazy anti gov't crap in his apartment
Whats the population of the UK statistic by the way? The US has 320mm people.
You're right that a more apples-to-apples comparison would be the handgun fatality rate, rather than absolute numbers. According to..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
The US has the 12th highest rate of deaths from firearms, at 10.27/100,000 ; England/Wales is ~57th, with a rate of .46. So a rate about 5% of ours.
Frazzled wrote:[How many stabbings? It would be interesting to compare the number of stabbings and aggravated assaults with weaponry as a comparison.
Do we really want to get into this on this thread?
Those are two more legitimate questions. It would be an interesting comparison, but you're right that it's off-topic.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
purplefood wrote:
Finding a welshman anywhere outside of wales or the surrounding area is kinda weird...
Eh, finding a Welshman isn't so odd outside Wales. Now, find a group of Irishmen when you need them and are not the one with the last three cases of stout stowed next to the shot locker, however...
(Also, god help the damn fool that shoots at the tank with the beer) Automatically Appended Next Post: Mannahnin wrote:
Also why is there no discussion of the tear gas? I don't think a tear gas bomb is exactly legal.
As far as I know, tear gas canisters are legal in most states, exceptions being California and New York, as they're non-lethal ordinance.
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Post by: Jihadin
I don't think it was a military grade CS cannister. I could be wrong because "cannister" was mention in the news
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Jihadin wrote:I don't think it was a military grade CS cannister. I could be wrong because "cannister" was mention in the news
Doesn't matter, even milspec CS is legal in most states. Michigan, Mass, Washington DC, New York, Cali and Wisconsin are the only states with laws on the books about pepper or tear gas at all. There are however, local ordinances.
I will point out though that using a triple indoors is considered 'excessive force' Mostly because it will burn the place down.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Saw the Dark Knight today, went to have dinner with my mom in celebration of my birthday, only to find out about this tragedy. News sounds like it was one guy and he got away with so many attacks because people thought it was a publicity stunt at first for the movie. It's a sad world we live in. The trilogy really did have tragedy following it, huh? The injuries/deaths from the second one for the actors, now the ones for the fans...my condolences and prayers to all the families who have lost people during this dark day.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
timetowaste85 wrote:News sounds like it was one guy and he got away with so many attacks because people thought it was a publicity stunt at first for the movie. It's a sad world we live in.
As my father once said, no one is safe anywhere. No matter how good or through your guys are, the sudden appearance of a mad gunman is tough to prepare for with trained experts. Against a crowd of unarmed civvies...
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Post by: MrMerlin
Damn, I hate it when things like this happen. It's so sad. One moment you're sitting in a theatre watching a movie, next moment you're dead. Just like that, and for no reason at all. Scary thing is, it could happen to anyone.
And there's no way of preventing these shootings.... if you ban all guns, they'll just find another way of killing people.
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Post by: Platuan4th
For some reason, they're really playing up the whole "three victims were from Texas" thing.
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Post by: Jihadin
EOD going into the apartment and from whats being said the IED's in the apartments sounds quite sophistacated
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Post by: mattyrm
Jihadin wrote:EOD going into the apartment and from whats being said the IED's in the apartments sounds quite sophistacated
The bloke went to a good university and he had a phd or a doctorate in neuroscience or something didn't he?
Either way, making home made bombs isnt rocket science, I bet he is smart enough to make a pretty decent IED anyway!
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Post by: Jihadin
Trigger for the IED's would give an indicator. Also 6K rounds kinda give you quite a bit of blackpowder.
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Post by: Lone Cat
The man looks promising. Why did he turns rogue against the world?
and does the mask resembles the actual 'dark knight'?
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Post by: rockerbikie
Americans, trust me you don't want gun control. Look at Australia, it is nearly impossible for a law abiding citizen to get supplied with a gun. I'm lucky because my Uncle owns a farm and I can hunt on it but it took a year to get hold of one.
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Post by: Jihadin
If the words "Bath Salt" becomes involved in this......
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Post by: LoneLictor
rockerbikie wrote:Americans, trust me you don't want gun control. Look at Australia, it is nearly impossible for a law abiding citizen to get supplied with a gun. I'm lucky because my Uncle owns a farm and I can hunt on it but it took a year to get hold of one.
That's the whole point of gun control. It's hard for people to get guns.
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Post by: purplefood
LoneLictor wrote:rockerbikie wrote:Americans, trust me you don't want gun control. Look at Australia, it is nearly impossible for a law abiding citizen to get supplied with a gun. I'm lucky because my Uncle owns a farm and I can hunt on it but it took a year to get hold of one.
That's the whole point of gun control. It's hard for people to get guns.
It's almost as though gun control controls the sale of guns in some way...
There must be an investigation of Science into what manner of sorcery is afoot.
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Post by: Steve steveson
mattyrm wrote:Jihadin wrote:EOD going into the apartment and from whats being said the IED's in the apartments sounds quite sophistacated
The bloke went to a good university and he had a phd or a doctorate in neuroscience or something didn't he?
Either way, making home made bombs isnt rocket science, I bet he is smart enough to make a pretty decent IED anyway!
Hell some people manage to make them with little more than an old moble, a CG125 and two goats. If the talaban can manage to hold up the US and UK armys in the arse end of nowhere a guy in a major US city can sure as hell make something better, phd or no phd. The only thing he will find more difficult is getting hold of explosives. However, he didn't need to try and take on an APC. Unfortunatly causing lots of damage to people is far to easy if you want to.
Also, whilst I don't agree with the gun control policy in the US I don't think it is that which is at fault allot of the time. The US media seems to have a romantic view of the loan wolf killer and the final act of violence against a harsh world. Yes, more gun control would reduce gun deaths, but I don't think it would solve the violence.
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Post by: mattyrm
LoneLictor wrote:rockerbikie wrote:Americans, trust me you don't want gun control. Look at Australia, it is nearly impossible for a law abiding citizen to get supplied with a gun. I'm lucky because my Uncle owns a farm and I can hunt on it but it took a year to get hold of one.
That's the whole point of gun control. It's hard for people to get guns.
This statement is funnier because I've been here a long time and I know rockerbikie.
Do you think most Australians are happy knowing that dakkas resident neo-nazi is tooled up?
Seriously, Ive no axe to grind, I dont think Rocker is going to go on a rampage or anything, and I firmly believe everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But, if you were to ask me which member of the entire OT board I would be less inclined to let hold my machine gun while I popped into Home Depot, it would be him.
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Post by: Melissia
While it would be me that would be most likely, right? I mean, I'm never going to go on a murderous rampage killing fifty people before committing suicide by cop, slaying twenty of them before tehy finally take me down. Then my heartbeat monitor notices I'm dead and the whole building blows up.
Nope.
Never going to happen.
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Post by: rockerbikie
mattyrm wrote:LoneLictor wrote:rockerbikie wrote:Americans, trust me you don't want gun control. Look at Australia, it is nearly impossible for a law abiding citizen to get supplied with a gun. I'm lucky because my Uncle owns a farm and I can hunt on it but it took a year to get hold of one.
That's the whole point of gun control. It's hard for people to get guns.
This statement is funnier because I've been here a long time and I know rockerbikie.
Do you think most Australians are happy knowing that dakkas resident neo-nazi is tooled up?
Seriously, Ive no axe to grind, I dont think Rocker is going to go on a rampage or anything, and I firmly believe everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But, if you were to ask me which member of the entire OT board I would be less inclined to let hold my machine gun while I popped into Home Depot, it would be him.
I'm not really a neo-nazi anymore. I'm more of a patriot. I used to think it was cool because I listened to too much NSBM. I'm just a conservative patriot. I have slight concerns towards some ethnicies including my own.
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Post by: mattyrm
Hey whatever floats your boat.. I suppose being hot tempered and judgemental is a flaw of the young. Admittedly I don't think I used to see shades of grey when I was in my early twenties either.
What is NSBM anyway?
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Post by: Surtur
Melissia wrote:While it would be me that would be most likely, right? I mean, I'm never going to go on a murderous rampage killing fifty people before committing suicide by cop, slaying twenty of them before tehy finally take me down. Then my heartbeat monitor notices I'm dead and the whole building blows up.
Nope.
Never going to happen.
It's always the ones with the cutesy avatars you never suspect.
And back to related news: http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/21/colorado-shooting-james-holmes-death-threats/
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
mattyrm wrote:Hey whatever floats your boat.. I suppose being hot tempered and judgemental is a flaw of the young. Admittedly I don't think I used to see shades of grey when I was in my early twenties either.
What is NSBM anyway?
You should be glad you haven't seen shades of grey, it's a terrible book...
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Post by: mattyrm
Corpsesarefun wrote:
You should be glad you haven't seen shades of grey, it's a terrible book...
I knew someone would make a bad quip about that.. If I was a betting man I'd have went with you as well mate.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
As for NSBM, it's Nazi metal
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Post by: rockerbikie
mattyrm wrote:Hey whatever floats your boat.. I suppose being hot tempered and judgemental is a flaw of the young. Admittedly I don't think I used to see shades of grey when I was in my early twenties either.
What is NSBM anyway?
Nazi Black Metal.
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Post by: Jihadin
Taliban/Insurgents/AlQueda are using now photorecepter to set off the IED when being disarmed. EOD tech was killed when brushing dirt away from an IED. Also they are going away from using markers alongide the road to using laser lights to set off an IED. A water can with a hole punch it is also used as a trigger but it seems trip wires were being used in apartments which is better for us. Means to me he didn't get creative nor had a clue to making a "haji" trigger.
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Post by: deathholydeath
rockerbikie wrote:mattyrm wrote:Hey whatever floats your boat.. I suppose being hot tempered and judgemental is a flaw of the young. Admittedly I don't think I used to see shades of grey when I was in my early twenties either.
What is NSBM anyway?
Nazi Black Metal.
Yes. NSBM= National Socialist Black Metal, in case you were curious what the actual acronym stands for, matty.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
LoneLictor wrote:
That's the whole point of gun control. It's hard for people to get guns.
No, it just means the quality of the guns is lower. Some pipe, nails and springs, and you got a gun.
In japan they constantly have people rebuilding non functional repliguns (legal) into functional guns (illegal).
IEDs and mantrapping are both illegal already, but it does not sound like this guy had any problem getting his hands on materials for those, either.
I might further point out that madmen never seem to have a problem getting materials, regardless of their legality. After all, a boyscout once created a nuclear breeder reactor in his back yard (what badge is that, exactly?), and if there is one substance on Earth that the US government likes to keep under tight wraps, it's weapons grade Uranium and Plutonium.
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Post by: purplefood
I think it's the 'Suck it Iran' badge...
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Post by: BaronIveagh
purplefood wrote:I think it's the 'Suck it Iran' badge...
True, even the Boy Scouts have a more advanced Nuclear Program....
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Post by: Lone Cat
The first court case begins tomorrow (Bangkok time :p ). IF he found guilty. it is said that the fullest extent of the punishment is DEATH.
but how? what should execution methods be done?
a. Lethan injection
b. Electrocution
c. Firing squad
d. Hanging
e. Decapitation
f. Dismemberment by automotive vehicle
And if it is going to be carried out. Do you think that his dead should be made public to warn other would-be criminals?
And should the government deny him any funerals and instead place him in public. so honest citizen would mutilate his corpse further.
Because it is now accepted that he is public enemy.
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Post by: Melissia
Actually, a quiet death away from the public view would be better.
Don't want these guys who get off on attention to want to do this more.
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Post by: purplefood
It's either electrocution or lethal injection.
The other ways are fairly barbaric... especially that last one.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
purplefood wrote:It's either electrocution or lethal injection.
The other ways are fairly barbaric... especially that last one.
I'm fond of hangings myself. They're ecologically friendly as hemp rope is a renewable resource AND you can use the same rope for several executions.
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Post by: purplefood
BaronIveagh wrote:purplefood wrote:It's either electrocution or lethal injection.
The other ways are fairly barbaric... especially that last one.
I'm fond of hangings myself. They're ecologically friendly as hemp rope is a renewable resource AND you can use the same rope for several executions.
If you ever have to try and get it reintroduced use that in your presentation
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Post by: Lone Cat
Sire. i don't have malicious intentions upon forum and its member
1. Don't you think "Public Execution" will warn others of the horrible fate that is the consequences to this horrible crimes?
instead of causing outrageous attentions?
2. Don't you think that victim's family wants the extreme justice to be enforced upon the public enemy ?
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Post by: purplefood
Sire...
I like the sound of that...
1. No not really... it'd be nice if it did but it doesn't...
It won't cause more attention than locking him up would.
2. They probably have differing views on the matter.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Holmes made his first court appearance today, no formal sentencing until next Monday.
Guy looked completely out of it, commentators on ABC were already discussing whether or not he will be deemed competent to stand trial or if he is just acting.
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Post by: Iur_tae_mont
We got our first Copycat....Kinda.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/01/13067471-man-allegedly-yells-this-is-it-at-batman-showing-panic-ensues?lite
By NBCMiami.com
A Miami Beach man is in custody after he caused a panic in a theater during a showing of "The Dark Knight Rises," police said Tuesday.
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According to a Miami Beach Police arrest affidavit, 44-year-old David Martin Escamillo was at the Regal Movie Theater late Monday night when he got into an altercation with another moviegoer, left the theater and returned wearing black gloves and screamed "This is it!" from the back of the theater.
Escamillo's actions sent a hundred moviegoers fleeing for the exits, the affidavit said.
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When officers responded to the theater to a call of shots fired, they found three moviegoers detaining Escamillo, who was screaming, "I didn't shoot anybody," the affidavit said.
James Butler said he and his brother were two of them. They waited outside the theater and chased Escamillo down and held him until police arrived.
"My instincts kicked in, and I was like, let's get this guy. He was screaming, 'I never shot anyone, I never hurt anyone,'" Butler said.
Escamillo, who sounded irrational and had a strong smell of alcohol on his breath, was taken into custody, the affidavit noted.
"We were able to determine there was never any weapon, it was just this individual with the two black gloves saying, 'This is it,'" Miami Beach Police Sgt. Bobby Hernandez said.
Witnesses said Escamillo had left his seat during the movie and was going up and down the stairway several times, according to the affidavit.
The witnesses also said no shots were fired and no shell casings were found, the affidavit said.
When officers searched the theater, they found several sandals that were left behind by moviegoers who fled the scene.
Escamillo is facing disorderly conduct and affray charges in the incident and has a warrant for battery, jail records showed. He was being held on $8,000 bond and it was unknown whether he has an attorney.
The theater declined to comment Tuesday.
The incident comes just days after 12 people were killed and dozens injured in a shooting in an Aurora, Colo., theater during a showing of "The Dark Knight Rises."
Police said they responded with massive force here because of what happened in Colorado.
"We can't take any chances, and we also understand the sensitivity of that, everybody's thinking Colorado, it's on everybody's mind," Hernandez said.
He added, "Had that incident not happened in Colorado maybe none of this would've happened, maybe people would've just thought, here's another nut and let's just keep watching our movie."
While some may be thinking about the scare, other ticketholders say they aren't going to let it affect them.
"If we focus on the negative energy, we're giving more power to them, so I try to avoid that," moviegoer Jose Salaicez said.
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Post by: Jihadin
Whew good thing no one was carrying in there
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Post by: Hordini
purplefood wrote:BaronIveagh wrote:purplefood wrote:It's either electrocution or lethal injection.
The other ways are fairly barbaric... especially that last one.
I'm fond of hangings myself. They're ecologically friendly as hemp rope is a renewable resource AND you can use the same rope for several executions.
If you ever have to try and get it reintroduced use that in your presentation
Hanging is actually pretty humane as far as executions go. It's extremely quick if you do it right, and I certainly don't think it's any worse than electrocution. A couple states actually still technically allow it, although it hasn't been used for a long time.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Jihadin wrote:Whew good thing no one was carrying in there
Always check your targets.
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Post by: Jihadin
Always check your targets.
Only time I usually hear that is a range...check your targets....that way your not screwing yourself by shooting your buddy target in the left or right lane. Unless everyone wants to go home early and you purposedly helping your buddy to score marksman. Not that I um...condone or approve of that...um....method..
If your refering to me...I shoot em in the knee cap or shoulder. We want INTELL
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Jihadin wrote:
If your referring to me...I shoot em in the knee cap or shoulder. We want INTELL
Eh, I always make sure I'm firing at an actual hostile, not an unarmed target. 1) 105s are expensive. 2) It gives your organization a bad rep if you kill too many civies.
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