Forgeworld just announced they will release a series of.books covering the Heresy. First book to be this fall. Hinted that Primarch models
will be included

Who's "Foreword"?

Do you mean "Forge World"? Where did they announce this?

Details are nice.

Nothing about this on their website, and you spelled it wrong.

False/10.

Harriticus wrote:Nothing about this on their website, and you spelled it wrong.

False/10.

Well no, he might be right and typing from an iPhone or something at Games Day Chicago.

Things like this though are why I've always advocated using a pen/paper to write things down asap and just keep a pocket notebook and transcribe notes later.

Alan made the announcement at the Forgeworld seminar at Todays Gamesday. He advised video showed during seminar to be posted in the next couple of days.

Seems quite obvious from a business standpoint

They already released tons of pre heresy/heresy era armor, weapons, and vehicles. All you got to do now is make a few books with primarchs/SC/specific rules/scenarios. Not too mention they already done the Badab War which is a bit like a small scale HH

Makes sense. Rumors have been pointing to this for some time. I kind of feel like Primarches have to be included, to separate the timelines. And then they have to make the rules work so it doesn't become P. vs P.

Should be a big moneymaker.

Cue the whining.

The GW website just had a video up that they tookk down talking about this. I went back to see it and it has been takin down. Someone on warseer copied what it said and posted it there under the CSM rumor thread. I know that it said something else from the eye of terror and something from games day about forgeworld.

dienekes96 wrote:Makes sense. Rumors have been pointing to this for some time. I kind of feel like Primarches have to be included, to separate the timelines. And then they have to make the rules work so it doesn't become P. vs P.

Should be a big moneymaker.

Cue the whining.

This is excellent news!

And hopefully the whining will be drowned out by the cheering!

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Having a Lion El'Jonson model would give me a great excuse to actually do an entire Dark Angels force in the original colors...

I have absolutely no interest in the HH, but I know a lot of you guys are, so I'm glad for you guys. So, 2 degrees of excited.

Back at the hotel, so a little more detail from seminar. As I said the Horus Heresy will be a series of books. The first to be released Fall 2012. Alan indicated the books will cover the equipment and forces involved. When asked about the primarchs he wouldn't give a yes but said the books would include personalities of the Heresy. The books will be battle focused, allowing for different forces to be featured in each book.

He indicated advance notice of what will be in each book, will be kept to a minimum to increase "excitement".

In other Forgeworld news expect the release of the remaining fantasy monsters covered in Arcanum to be released over the next six months.

Absolon wrote:

He indicated advance notice of what will be in each book, will be kept to a minimum to increase "excitement".

It has to be weird to hear such bass ackwards thinking spoken out loud.

Did everyone laugh, thinking it was a joke, only to realize that it wasn't, and then get uncomfortable in the awkward silence that followed?

Alpharius wrote:

Absolon wrote:

He indicated advance notice of what will be in each book, will be kept to a minimum to increase "excitement".

It has to be weird to hear such bass ackwards thinking spoken out loud.

Did everyone laugh, thinking it was a joke, only to realize that it wasn't, and then get uncomfortable in the awkward silence that followed?

He could have been more subtle that is for sure

Guess pre orders are out of the question for now, I want to see those table of contents

Absolon wrote:When asked about the primarchs he wouldn't give a yes but said the books would include personalities of the Heresy.

This statement seems to lean more towards "No on the Primarchs, but we'll compensate that by giving you your favorite characters from the BL series!"

Personally, I'd rather the Primarchs stay unplayable, as much as I'd love official Lion and Magnus models.

Seriously. This "tight-lipped until release" may generate small spurts of excitement, but between those nodes of interest is a wasteland of apathy. A rising tide lifts all boats, and all that.

And I'd bet CASH MONEY that Primarches will be included, as well as other named characters that have mattered in the BL series.

Happy to see the content, depressed to see FW stuck in the GW mode of advance hype.

Pre-Heresy Kharn and the other legion donkey-caves would be nice though.

I'd love to see some Primarchs figures, but could understand if there were no rules for them.

Also, this is the only thing from GD so far?

urgh, I hate this secrecy thing. If they said "Book one is out this year and will have X, Y and Z, and book two will be out next summer and have A, B and C" I could start saving now for things in book 2. As it is, that money's going on dropzone commander

It's pleasing news, but it still doesn't reignite my enthusiasm for Narrativehammer.

Primarchs would make for some cool models, and I'd love to see alternatives to the "not Primarchs" of varying quality you see coming out from third party manufacturers. I'd prefer they didn't have rules though, as having literal gods on the battlefield stretches far, far beyond the realms of Herohammer. I'd rather have my commander support my army, not the other way around.

If GW can crank out rules for a Daemon Angron, I'm sure they can do likewise for regular Primarchs.

Brother SRM wrote:Primarchs would make for some cool models, and I'd love to see alternatives to the "not Primarchs" of varying quality you see coming out from third party manufacturers. I'd prefer they didn't have rules though, as having literal gods on the battlefield stretches far, far beyond the realms of Herohammer. I'd rather have my commander support my army, not the other way around.

Then maybe a game set during the Horus Heresy isn't for you?

Now would be a good time to buy stock in GW

I would be all over this. I would even do Ultramarines so I can use 'the' spiritual liege.

If we can field titans, we should be able to play with primarchs I think.

They've just put up a video trailer too. Autumn 2012, it seems.

English Assassin wrote:They've just put up a video trailer too. Autumn 2012, it seems.

Link?

Here is the trailer!!!! AWESOME INCOMING.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxvPhsfqkfc&feature=player_embedded

I'd bet real money this book will be on sale at UK GD.

UltraPrime wrote:I'd bet real money this book will be on sale at UK GD.

Well, considering they're looking at a "September" publication date, it's very likely it will be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxvPh...ayer_embedded#!

here is link from warseer of video.

Oh in other news anyone wanna buy some used wheelchair or childern I need more money for models!

Yeah, that is a way to generate real interest in Games Day UK.

The books will be great and all, but I am interested in the kits that will be produced to support. Armor Marks II - IV work for the troops, but I expect we will see some new vehicles and honor guard type armor. Hopefully, they'll throw in proto-IG and maybe some early Eldar and Ork stuff as well. Maybe we will finally see Mechanicus and Dark Mechanicus rules and kits.

From Warseer:

vaughany86 wrote:Necrons are getting Imperial Armour 12 sometime around Christmas, people have been wanting Primarch models for literally years, this series should be awesome

AngelofSorrow wrote:It must also be stated that Alan was adamant that these are a seperate series to Imperial Armor. He also stated that every major race will have their time to shine in the Imperial Armor series of books. Necrons are up next to the stage where they will be taking on the Death Korps of Krieg and the Minotaurs chapter.

So there is hope that the next years are not only filled with the umpteenth versions of shoulder pads.

dienekes96 wrote: Maybe we will finally see Mechanicus and Dark Mechanicus rules and kits.

Yes. Please. PLEASE!

Was there ever really any doubt that it would be?

I mean really. We now have more authors than before working at Forge World, spread across Warhammer Forge and Forge World both.

If I had to hazard a guess:
Warwick and an "A Team" of sculptors are going to be doing the Horus Heresy series--which, I'd furthermore hazard will be expanded to be a kind of "Legendary Battles" line.

From there, we'll have a rotation of lesser known authors and some others doing the "Imperial Armour"/"Warhammer Forge" titles.

Platuan4th wrote:

Absolon wrote:When asked about the primarchs he wouldn't give a yes but said the books would include personalities of the Heresy.

This statement seems to lean more towards "No on the Primarchs, but we'll compensate that by giving you your favorite characters from the BL series!"

Personally, I'd rather the Primarchs stay unplayable, as much as I'd love official Lion and Magnus models.

They should be no more or less playable than a titan and should certainly have models. From a business point of view it would seem stupid not to make models of them.

My guess is you would automatically have 18 (or maybe 19) of the best selling character models Forgeworld has ever made.

http://youtu.be/fxvPhsfqkfc

Boom the vid

edit :Wow I'm a bit slow...
:(

crap trailer tho !
tbh all i think all they will releses for the first book will be a couple of named heresy charicters and some legion specific pads as they allready have pretty much everything else they need allready.

Alpharius wrote:
Then maybe a game set during the Horus Heresy isn't for you?

Well, I love the look of the era as established by artwork and Forgeworld's models, and pre/circa-heresy armies can look really awesome when done well. I'd even be cool seeing some of the major characters from the BL books as models with rules, like Kharne before he was Khorne's favorite little dude, or Garro or Typhus when he was still Typhon. That kind of stuff plus the scale of the setting get me excited, I just don't think gods should necessarily be walking around on the battlefield. Then again, they might end up with more sane rules as just really pumped up Space Marine captains, which is somewhat disappointing to some of the fluff but could do well. I'll trust Forgeworld with this one, I just hope that if Primarchs are in there they don't end up with rules like 99% of the fanrules you see for them.

dienekes96 wrote:Yeah, that is a way to generate real interest in Games Day UK.

The books will be great and all, but I am interested in the kits that will be produced to support. Armor Marks II - IV work for the troops, but I expect we will see some new vehicles and honor guard type armor. Hopefully, they'll throw in proto-IG and maybe some early Eldar and Ork stuff as well. Maybe we will finally see Mechanicus and Dark Mechanicus rules and kits.

I would really hope for some Interex troops. I know the Horus heresy is focused on Marine vs Marine but hopefully we get Sisters of Silence, Custodes, a new Imperial Guard regiment, and some of the Xenos that GW doesn't make. Probably some wishful thinking in there but it would be nice.


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Brother SRM wrote:

Alpharius wrote:
I just don't think gods should necessarily be walking around on the battlefield. Then again, they might end up with more sane rules as just really pumped up Space Marine captains, which is somewhat disappointing to some of the fluff but could do well. I'll trust Forgeworld with this one, I just hope that if Primarchs are in there they don't end up with rules like 99% of the fanrules you see for them.

I would say that space marines themselves, c'tan, greater demons, and the avatar don't have rules anywhere close to inline with their fluff so it seems likely and reasonable that the primarchs will just be bad ass captains or whatnot.

Didn't they flatly state that they were NOT doing this?

LOL

But who would have believed that anyways?

Any word on IA 12?

Maelstrom808 wrote:Any word on IA 12?

Did you skip Kroot's post?

Kroothawk wrote:From Warseer:

vaughany86 wrote:Necrons are getting Imperial Armour 12 sometime around Christmas, people have been wanting Primarch models for literally years, this series should be awesome

AngelofSorrow wrote:It must also be stated that Alan was adamant that these are a seperate series to Imperial Armor. He also stated that every major race will have their time to shine in the Imperial Armor series of books. Necrons are up next to the stage where they will be taking on the Death Korps of Krieg and the Minotaurs chapter.

So there is hope that the next years are not only filled with the umpteenth versions of shoulder pads.

I would like to see some primarchs models, even if just for display

dienekes96 wrote:Cue the whining.

Not from me. I think it's an awesome (and long-overdue) idea.

My body is prepared.

But my wallet weeps.

While cool, honestly, I would really like to see them spend some time integrating FW models into existing codexes.

New content is kind of neat, but I would like even more to have the exsiting content I read and paid for yesterday to be usable in more games today...

After all, please support those who have been supporting you...

davethepak wrote:While cool, honestly, I would really like to see them spend some time integrating FW models into existing codexes.

New content is kind of neat, but I would like even more to have the exsiting content I read and paid for yesterday to be usable in more games today...

After all, please support those who have been supporting you...

I dont think FW does that, I think that is GW's call on whether or not FW stuff gets in

kenshin620 wrote:

davethepak wrote:While cool, honestly, I would really like to see them spend some time integrating FW models into existing codexes.

New content is kind of neat, but I would like even more to have the exsiting content I read and paid for yesterday to be usable in more games today...

After all, please support those who have been supporting you...

I dont think FW does that, I think that is GW's call on whether or not FW stuff gets in

To me, thats not the issus - I don't care which side of the corporate bureaucracy the decision is on - somewhere someone is approving dividends and approving business decisions - and who ever that is, should say "hey, our customers want to spend money on some product....why don't we support that? Hmm...maybe, they would even spend more...."

dienekes96 wrote:Armor Marks II - IV work for the troops, but I expect we will see some new vehicles and honor guard type armor. Hopefully, they'll throw in proto-IG and maybe some early Eldar and Ork stuff as well. Maybe we will finally see Mechanicus and Dark Mechanicus rules and kits.

Or maybe - given how abundant they were back then compared to modern 40K - Adeptus Custodes!

Kanluwen wrote:I'm cautiously optimistic.

Having a Lion El'Jonson model would give me a great excuse to actually do an entire Dark Angels force in the original colors...

Must...restrain... from... linking... Penny Arcade...

*rolls a 1* Dammit!

davethepak wrote:While cool, honestly, I would really like to see them spend some time integrating FW models into existing codexes.

New content is kind of neat, but I would like even more to have the exsiting content I read and paid for yesterday to be usable in more games today...

After all, please support those who have been supporting you...

Well that's weird. No one I play with bans me from using my FW models in games. Didn't realize GW banned them!!! Thanks for the heads up.

cincydooley wrote:

davethepak wrote:While cool, honestly, I would really like to see them spend some time integrating FW models into existing codexes.

New content is kind of neat, but I would like even more to have the exsiting content I read and paid for yesterday to be usable in more games today...

After all, please support those who have been supporting you...

Well that's weird. No one I play with bans me from using my FW models in games. Didn't realize GW banned them!!! Thanks for the heads up.

They don't "ban them".

Tournaments, in general, have a "No Forge World" policy for a variety of reasons. These range from:
1) It's an independent tournament, where the organizers have decided "No Forge World".
to
2) It's an "official Games Workshop" tournament, where they are doing what could be considered "by the book" armies. Meaning: only things within your army book, no more no less.

In tournaments, Forge World stuff just becomes too much of a hassle unless you're used to playing against it all the time. Whether it's because you're worried someone might be cheating or simply because you don't want to let people with Cheeto fingers fondle your nice, expensive book--it just becomes too much for organizers and players both to deal with, especially in an environment where there's already time limits and various other stressful stimuli in event.

TL;DR version:
There's a time and place for FW. You will generally see no "friendly" games having problems with it, provided you be a bit more cautious than normal and inform them you'll be using "Suchandsuch" from Forge World. The more accepting and fun people to play with will generally jump at the chance to see something new introduced, while the hardcore tournament gamers are usually more wary.

Kan, just FYI, cincydooley was being facetious.

And, also FYI, most tournaments ban FW because people piss and moan about how 'unbalanced' they are, when they really aren't. Fear drives most FW bannings, not logic.

For the most part, Reaver Titan and other oddities aside--I've always found FW lists/units to be over priced rather than under.

Any bets on the much anticipated Primarch statline? That alone will be a big deal if only for internal consistency concerning the rules not the fluff.

They'll probably be around Mephiston, give or take a point here and there.

Amaya wrote:Any bets on the much anticipated Primarch statline? That alone will be a big deal if only for internal consistency concerning the rules not the fluff.

Well, what's Draigo's statline? They gotta be less than that right?

FWIW, A rather large national tournament called adepticon has allowed FW models for at least the past 2 years.

I'd love some Custodes models. Maybe not an army, but rather an Allied squad.

I love Marines and I want some cool Marine stuff, but I think the HH is a nice time to do some weirdness for other armies. Make it fun for everyone.

kenshin620 wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:Any word on IA 12?

Did you skip Kroot's post?

Kroothawk wrote:From Warseer:

vaughany86 wrote:Necrons are getting Imperial Armour 12 sometime around Christmas, people have been wanting Primarch models for literally years, this series should be awesome

AngelofSorrow wrote:It must also be stated that Alan was adamant that these are a seperate series to Imperial Armor. He also stated that every major race will have their time to shine in the Imperial Armor series of books. Necrons are up next to the stage where they will be taking on the Death Korps of Krieg and the Minotaurs chapter.

So there is hope that the next years are not only filled with the umpteenth versions of shoulder pads.

Must have scanned too quick past it. Sounds like an awesome year from FW.

I wonder ... will Heresey Era Angron be better or worse than the Demon Primarch they made stats for? Will Magnus the Red be able to blast an Ork Stompa into smithereens? Hm ...

WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could care less about rules, much more looking foreword to new models to use in my CSM army.

I can sadly see myself buying all the Primarch models, and probably the majority of the named character models, if/when they exist, for no reason other than to have them..

Well, you couldn't pay me to give less of a crap about the hours heresy. Primary models, maybe, but the horus heresy has been talked about to death and I have no interest in seeing it plastered everywhere again.

I am extremely excited for this myself, it gives me an excuse to field an Alpha Legion Force.

Damn, now I am torn between a pre-heresy army or a Badab war army. If Garviel Loken gets rules, I will have my decision made for me.

Honestly, I jumped out of my chair when it said Horus Heresy. I didn't expect that at all.

Happygrunt wrote:Damn, now I am torn between a pre-heresy army or a Badab war army. If Garviel Loken gets rules, I will have my decision made for me.

Honestly, I jumped out of my chair when it said Horus Heresy. I didn't expect that at all.

Well, if you want to do Pre-heresy army and a Badab war army, just go with Salamanders?

ShatteredBlade wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Damn, now I am torn between a pre-heresy army or a Badab war army. If Garviel Loken gets rules, I will have my decision made for me.

Honestly, I jumped out of my chair when it said Horus Heresy. I didn't expect that at all.

Well, if you want to do Pre-heresy army and a Badab war army, just go with Salamanders?

More like it is between Pre Heresy Ultra Marines or Luna Wolves and Badab War Executioners.

Happygrunt wrote:

ShatteredBlade wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Damn, now I am torn between a pre-heresy army or a Badab war army. If Garviel Loken gets rules, I will have my decision made for me.

Honestly, I jumped out of my chair when it said Horus Heresy. I didn't expect that at all.

Well, if you want to do Pre-heresy army and a Badab war army, just go with Salamanders?

More like it is between Pre Heresy Ultra Marines or Luna Wolves and Badab War Executioners.

Honestly, I would think it'd be awesome to have a Pre Heresy Luna Wolves. I myself plan on a Pre Heresy Raven Guard.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I wonder ... will Heresey Era Angron be better or worse than the Demon Primarch they made stats for? Will Magnus the Red be able to blast an Ork Stompa into smithereens? Hm ...

This is kinda why I don't want the Primarchs to have rules at all. Make miniatures by all means - I'd be interested to see FW's take on the Primarchs and the Emperor - but I don't want to see them in games.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:I wonder ... will Heresey Era Angron be better or worse than the Demon Primarch they made stats for? Will Magnus the Red be able to blast an Ork Stompa into smithereens? Hm ...

This is kinda why I don't want the Primarchs to have rules at all. Make miniatures by all means - I'd be interested to see FW's take on the Primarchs and the Emperor - but I don't want to see them in games.

I'm unsure how they would be able to include the Primarchs, if they're too strong everyone will be crying cheese and bringing up the rending pony. Too weak and they'll all complain. It'll be a mess.

Exactly. Representing Primarch's in the rules either means you have units that are so god-like in their power that the entire game revolves around them, or they're so nerfed that they're just Captain w/+1 W and +1WS, which doesn't do the fluff any justice.

Best leave them without rules. Period. Avoid the whole problem.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly. Representing Primarch's in the rules either means you have units that are so god-like in their power that the entire game revolves around them, or they're so nerfed that they're just Captain w/+1 W and +1WS, which doesn't do the fluff any justice.

Best leave them without rules. Period. Avoid the whole problem.

I would say that the best way to deal with this would to be that the players are going to be the company or "chapter" that is " off screen and to the left" for the campaigns. In so much as that during the Istvaan Drop sight Massacre the rules could be, " Your Legions primarch has taken to the field, your space marines are filled with * blab blah blah*" and each legion type would receive a bonus based upon their primarch as well as other stipulations.

ShatteredBlade wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly. Representing Primarch's in the rules either means you have units that are so god-like in their power that the entire game revolves around them, or they're so nerfed that they're just Captain w/+1 W and +1WS, which doesn't do the fluff any justice.

Best leave them without rules. Period. Avoid the whole problem.

I would say that the best way to deal with this would to be that the players are going to be the company or "chapter" that is " off screen and to the left" for the campaigns. In so much as that during the Istvaan Drop sight Massacre the rules could be, " Your Legions primarch has taken to the field, your space marines are filled with * blab blah blah*" and each legion type would receive a bonus based upon their primarch as well as other stipulations.

I want rules for Primarchs!!!!!!! All of them, even the two that are not spoken of!!!! H.B.M.C. is wrong!!! (That's as close to "polite" as I get.)

Kroothawk wrote:From Warseer:

vaughany86 wrote:Necrons are getting Imperial Armour 12 sometime around Christmas, people have been wanting Primarch models for literally years, this series should be awesome

AngelofSorrow wrote:It must also be stated that Alan was adamant that these are a seperate series to Imperial Armor. He also stated that every major race will have their time to shine in the Imperial Armor series of books. Necrons are up next to the stage where they will be taking on the Death Korps of Krieg and the Minotaurs chapter.

So there is hope that the next years are not only filled with the umpteenth versions of shoulder pads.

God i hope so

Noisy_Marine wrote:I wonder ... will Heresey Era Angron be better or worse than the Demon Primarch they made stats for? Will Magnus the Red be able to blast an Ork Stompa into smithereens? Hm ...

Worse.
Daemonically 'enhanced', Angron was around the height of a Warhound (Titan). Normally Primarchs are larger than your usual Astartes, but not hugely so and definitely no bigger than a Dreadnought.

Pretty sure Angron wasn't daemon-ificated by the HH though. However, IIRC Mortarion should've been by the Siege of Terra...

Marines are quite a bit more powerful in the fluff than their statlines might suggest. I don't see a reason why it should be different with primarchs.

If they make figures of Primarchs then I might actually buy some GW again! Hope they do, it's long overdue.

UltraPrime wrote:I'd bet real money this book will be on sale at UK GD.

So would I, notice the steady ramp up of HH era kit and armour for SM's in the last year ... just hope the Mechanicus/um gets a look in.

PhilB

Be fun to do a small HH army, but I'm not going to go mad buying things (probably)

Garro's loyal Death Guard maybe...

While I want the Dark Eldar to have their day in the Imperial Armour sun, and apparently there are rumors that a rough draft was sent back for being too dark (how cool is that?), I'm also really excited to see some HH shenanigans! With or without rules I say bring on the Primarch models!

Emperor's Scourge wrote:I asked him if there would be any Xenos armies covered in the HH series. He said no.
They will be covering all of the major battles though. Like Calth, Isstvan, and Prospero etc etc etc.

Frgt/10 wrote:The DE book got pushed until after the necron/minotaur one. The Tzeench/TSons/Penal Colony book got scraped and replaced by the necron/minotaur one

I can see these being an occasional series of books than one after the other, I'd expect perhaps one a year with supporting minis and them a more mainstream 40K IA book (or books) between the HH ones

PhilB

If they try and make rules for the Primarchs and such, it'll be a mess. Just like C'tan from the 3rd ed. Necron book, you'll never be able to do them justice on the table top without either throwing all balance to the wind, or putting their point costs so high that they simply aren't worth taking.

tree667 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxvPh...ayer_embedded#!

here is link from warseer of video.

Oh in other news anyone wanna buy some used wheelchair or childern I need more money for models!

Broken link?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Or maybe - given how abundant they were back then compared to modern 40K - Adeptus Custodes!

I hadn't even thought of that - but I hope you're right, and I'd bet you are!

Bring it all on, including Primarchs!

As d-usa already mentioned, if you can field Titans, surely they can figure out Primarchs, right?

To be honest I love how they were represented here

http://www.tempusfugitives.co.uk/pdf/40k/AotE%20Expansion.pdf

How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?

Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.'

Then you just try to balance them all against each other.

Has there been any update on the next Imperial Armors? Still waiting fro Tzeentch to get more love from FW.

Sorry Mahu but according to quote Kroothawk posted the Necron book replaces the Tzeentch one.

Kroothawk wrote:

Frgt/10 wrote:The DE book got pushed until after the necron/minotaur one. The Tzeench/TSons/Penal Colony book got scraped and replaced by the necron/minotaur one

Etharin wrote:Sorry Mahu but according to quote Kroothawk posted the Necron book replaces the Tzeentch one.

Kroothawk wrote:

Frgt/10 wrote:The DE book got pushed until after the necron/minotaur one. The Tzeench/TSons/Penal Colony book got scraped and replaced by the necron/minotaur one

Well that is disappointing. I was really looking forward to that book.

Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Kroothawk wrote:

Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Just ally with an Imperial army. Problem solved.

Primarchs seem like the obvious conclusion don't they? I fear a two-parter with a loyalist book and a second book of traitors, thought the smart money says they'll split them between the two volumes. That being said this is all speculation on my part. Please, no one quote this for truth.
Looking forward to a Mortarion model and a Magnus the Red model. I really hope they don't make an emperor model, though. Since the info around the guy is hazy at best it'll be nice to let the community keep cranking out customs, which more often than not look really good.

I think it would be a great idea if they started with Ullanor Crusade. This would allow them to;


Add some new 'super' Ork units (Considering the size that the Ork Nobz/Warboss were supposed to be)
Add a Xenos special Urrlak Urruk
Gives us a couple of Primarchs/Legions and Imperial Units
Is a natural start to the series
Opens up the possibility of a Ullanor novel(s)
etc.

They said they're only covering the HH I think, which rules out Xenos campaigns like Ullanor.

Just Dave wrote:They said they're only covering the HH I think, which rules out Xenos campaigns like Ullanor.

Xenos armies such as orks and eldar may be aloud since they are that old, but if they did allow xenos it would cause trouble due to the primarchs. What ork is going to take out a primarch? So they probably should keep it Heresy and Heresy armies only.

Kroothawk wrote:

Frgt/10 wrote:The Tzeench/TSons/Penal Colony book got scraped and replaced by the necron/minotaur one

feth you, Forgeworld.

feth you right in the ear.

Hmm, not just Custodes, but the possibility of Sisters of Silence too? They seem to be quite a prominent faction in the heresy.

Since the Word Bearers started the whole mess basically... I wonder how soon they will be addressed in the series. I'd love to see the models of them pre-Heresy after reading First Heretic! With Dark Apostles and all kinds of good cultists in the next CSM book, if you sprinkle in some Forgeworld lovin' it would be awesome. I do not own any forgeworld because I was never interested... but now... woohoo!

EDIT: kant spel 2 xeyeted!

(from the BL books anyway...)

I wonder how much this will overlap with the HH book series. FW books tend to be quite detailed, and cover everything from force composition to individual skirmishes within campaigns and battles. Will the BL guys find themselves with a book (or books) that cover the Siege of Terra before they have a chance to write their own?

H.B.M.C. wrote:I wonder how much this will overlap with the HH book series. FW books tend to be quite detailed, and cover everything from force composition to individual skirmishes within campaigns and battles. Will the BL guys find themselves with a book (or books) that cover the Siege of Terra before they have a chance to write their own?

Probably not. I have a feeling that the releases fro the HH books will be slower than people think so that FW is a little behind the BL series regarding the timeline of events. As is, they're already about 4-5 years behind and they'd be kind of stupid not to start at Istvaan III. It's just a matter of will both Istvaans be in the same book.

Well this puts a damper on my desire to start Dark Angels when the book comes out. Can't use the same models for both games since their armor changes color. Maybe if I just paint them black with green highlights to give the impression of green armor it will work out.

Hopefully the primarch models don't disappoint. They shouldn't be more than a head larger than normal marines, right?

Is there anything else major we need for the heresy books model wise? We already have land raider and rhino kits for pre-heresy. All the armor kits and weapons. Perhaps official jetbikes, which would make a Dark Angels player happy (please god let them have an actual jetbike unit!). An official custodian army would be a welcome site too.

Oh God I hadn't thought it that. Jetbikes! What a great idea!

The rules of the primarchs don't need to match their fluff. Look at drogo his fluff is crazy, he bests a demon primarch in single combat and he lives in the warp, but his rules don't reflect this

Has their been any new modles from forge world put on display this year at games day yet? Or is that a negative this year?

Very nice! I'm genuinely excited to see how this turns out.

Did no one ask if FW/GW are working on making FW legal in GW games?

'bout fething time they did this, only problem is they didn't start off with a great crusade era game. One day I will get the Interrex troops I so desire...

shank911 wrote:Did no one ask if FW/GW are working on making FW legal in GW games?

Why? This is covered in every IA book. With Opponent's permission.

What more are you wanting, man?

kronk wrote:

shank911 wrote:Did no one ask if FW/GW are working on making FW legal in GW games?

Why? This is covered in every IA book. With Opponent's permission.

What more are you wanting, man?

GW to come out with a statement of some sort, everyone I play with is one of those "I don't have it so you can't play it types"
But they have no problem playing GK list or Venom spam list.

kronk wrote:Why? This is covered in every IA book. With Opponent's permission.

'Cept that's not what it says in every IA book.

shank911 wrote:GW to come out with a statement of some sort, everyone I play with is one of those "I don't have it so you can't play it types"

There is no law forcing people to play with you. Sorry.

Kroothawk wrote:

shank911 wrote:GW to come out with a statement of some sort, everyone I play with is one of those "I don't have it so you can't play it types"

There is no law forcing people to play with you. Sorry.

It's not like that, many players (myself included) really enjoy the units put forth by Forge World and really want to be able to use these awesome models and rulesets they've put out.

I just want to see GW say that FW is on the same level as the old Codex: Armageddon and Codex: Eye of Terror. Y'know proper expansions that add to the flavor and depth of the game.

Instead alot of people in areas I've played in treat Forge World units with the same deniability as player created apoc units.

Personally I'm sick of this massive prick waving between Games Workshop, Black Library, and Forge World. I want Sergeant Rafen in the BA codex, Uriel Ventris in the SM codex. How about Honsou in the CSM book or Eisenhorn in one of the Inquisition codices. The Arch Arsonist would be a bad arse addition to the Orks and Kais would be an awesome character to have in a tau force.

For a long time I didn't get why these 3 groups didn't like making money until a friend who had lived in England explained that this is just an ego trip and is pretty inherent in the English mindset.

I just hope one day they realize the money they're missing out on and give us more awesomeness to throw money at. I mean don't they like money? Don't they realize they can profit from one another? Synergistic marketing would be so wonderful. New chaos model from FW when the new Chaos codex comes out. New Ork novel from Black Library after a new wave of green skinned models hits the shelves. But no, alas they're too busy competing for nerd's attention to realize their potential.

Kroothawk wrote:

Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Does the imprisoned Primarch count for Necrons?

Sigvatr wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Does the imprisoned Primarch count for Necrons?

Is it actually confirmed that it is a Primarch though?

Anyway, FW would be silly indeed not to include Primarch models and rules in their HH books - I strongly suspect we'll see them.

And I, for one, welcome our Primarch Overlords!

Imprisoned Primarch what?


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Imprisoned Primarch what?

Fluff in the new Necron Codex has one of the new wackadoodle Necron Lords keeping a really big marine in stasis, or something like that...

A large marine in "Baroque" armour. So yeah, someone in cool old school armour...

Lockark wrote:Has their been any new modles from forge world put on display this year at games day yet? Or is that a negative this year?

Nothing new was on display

Just Dave wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Just ally with an Imperial army. Problem solved.

Except Nids can't take allies, and if you are trying to be fluffy they certainly can't take a primarch. Just give them stats, wargear, rules, and a cost just like every other model, there have been rules for the most powerful greater daemons ever summoned there can be rules for primarchs.

Will there be a Stormbird? It features so heavily in the novels as the Thunderhawk is just getting deployed during the Heresy.

I'd love to finally have a visual of what the heck a Stormbird looks like. It'll be a BIG model if they do produce it, so I don't think I'd buy one... though maybe.

HungryTaz wrote:Will there be a Stormbird? It features so heavily in the novels as the Thunderhawk is just getting deployed during the Heresy.

I'd love to finally have a visual of what the heck a Stormbird looks like. It'll be a BIG model if they do produce it, so I don't think I'd buy one... though maybe.

The Stormbird would be the same size as a Manta--at least.

The likelihood of them doing a Stormbird is the same as porcine aviators clogging up skylanes.

shank911 wrote:Did no one ask if FW/GW are working on making FW legal in GW games?

From Alan's perspective the indicating if something is for Apoc or 40K, was intended to resolve that issue. His opinion was that we will not get a blanket statement though because that may cause more issues.

I'm excited; the HH is the only novels that I can actually get into. All the 40K novels feel very much like a stalemate because they can't have any universe changing events. The HH was the most recent, large scale event that actually changed something.

-cgmckenzie

Kroothawk wrote:

Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Guess they are going to have to make the MegaAracnid then

HungryTaz wrote:Will there be a Stormbird? It features so heavily in the novels as the Thunderhawk is just getting deployed during the Heresy.

I'd love to finally have a visual of what the heck a Stormbird looks like. It'll be a BIG model if they do produce it, so I don't think I'd buy one... though maybe.

It was brought up during the seminar. Alan indicated there is a division within the studio of exactly what a stormbird is, let alone what it should look like. Apparently some think it is a class of ships with many variants and sizes.

From what I hear behind the scenes that is exactly what is starting to happen.
The older guys with the Egos are getting to the age of retirement now and the new blood are rabid 40k fans like you and me.
Think of it as a Second Founding
I see ADB as being part of this,ther is no denying his books are great because you can tell he loves 40k and more importantly grew up with it.
I mean Black Library used to put out 28mm dioramas and they always go for a mint on E-bay

Nvs wrote:Well this puts a damper on my desire to start Dark Angels when the book comes out. Can't use the same models for both games since their armor changes color. Maybe if I just paint them black with green highlights to give the impression of green armor it will work out.

Hopefully the primarch models don't disappoint. They shouldn't be more than a head larger than normal marines, right?

Is there anything else major we need for the heresy books model wise? We already have land raider and rhino kits for pre-heresy. All the armor kits and weapons. Perhaps official jetbikes, which would make a Dark Angels player happy (please god let them have an actual jetbike unit!). An official custodian army would be a welcome site too.

sisters of silence, saber tank hunters, hunter aa tanks, mark 1 thunder armor, the imperial grav tank, the storm bird, fellblades, and Cataphractii terminator armor are all missing yet

Harry wrote:

Yeah I have it in my head there are only 3 books due?

Thats because I posted about this in the 2012 releases a while ago and said there were three books planned.

We will see the first book at GD UK this year.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Nvs wrote:Well this puts a damper on my desire to start Dark Angels when the book comes out. Can't use the same models for both games since their armor changes color. Maybe if I just paint them black with green highlights to give the impression of green armor it will work out.

Hopefully the primarch models don't disappoint. They shouldn't be more than a head larger than normal marines, right?

Is there anything else major we need for the heresy books model wise? We already have land raider and rhino kits for pre-heresy. All the armor kits and weapons. Perhaps official jetbikes, which would make a Dark Angels player happy (please god let them have an actual jetbike unit!). An official custodian army would be a welcome site too.

sisters of silence, saber tank hunters, hunter aa tanks, mark 1 thunder armor, the imperial grav tank, the storm bird, fellblades, and Cataphractii terminator armor are all missing yet

Don't forget HH landspeeders! Some of the older designs of drop pods would be cool to have as well.

Commander Cain wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Nvs wrote:Well this puts a damper on my desire to start Dark Angels when the book comes out. Can't use the same models for both games since their armor changes color. Maybe if I just paint them black with green highlights to give the impression of green armor it will work out.

Hopefully the primarch models don't disappoint. They shouldn't be more than a head larger than normal marines, right?

Is there anything else major we need for the heresy books model wise? We already have land raider and rhino kits for pre-heresy. All the armor kits and weapons. Perhaps official jetbikes, which would make a Dark Angels player happy (please god let them have an actual jetbike unit!). An official custodian army would be a welcome site too.

sisters of silence, saber tank hunters, hunter aa tanks, mark 1 thunder armor, the imperial grav tank, the storm bird, fellblades, and Cataphractii terminator armor are all missing yet

Don't forget HH landspeeders! Some of the older designs of drop pods would be cool to have as well.

yes them too, hopefully the mark 2 not the mark 1. also remember imperial army had the land raider, land speeder, and rhino. hopefully we'll also see the mechanicus and knights

Buttons wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Just ally with an Imperial army. Problem solved.

Except Nids can't take allies, and if you are trying to be fluffy they certainly can't take a primarch. Just give them stats, wargear, rules, and a cost just like every other model, there have been rules for the most powerful greater daemons ever summoned there can be rules for primarchs.

If you're trying to be fluffy, you wouldn't play Nids during the HH.

Says who the Heresy is large and many battles went unrecorded.
Who knows how far the scouts are from the hive splinter.
The Tyran incident is when the Hive splinter first arrived but the bulk of the hive arriving shortly after 40km999.
I can see FW making Nid upgrade kits to turn them into Mega-Aracnid.
Hell it would get me to buy a box of warriors

Platuan4th wrote:

Buttons wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Just ally with an Imperial army. Problem solved.

Except Nids can't take allies, and if you are trying to be fluffy they certainly can't take a primarch. Just give them stats, wargear, rules, and a cost just like every other model, there have been rules for the most powerful greater daemons ever summoned there can be rules for primarchs.

If you're trying to be fluffy, you wouldn't play Nids during the HH.

Actually, looking at the Swarmlord, it is probably the Tyranid equivalent to a primarch in fighting prowess. WS 9, I 6, 4 attacks, 5 wounds.

Absolon wrote:

Lockark wrote:Has their been any new modles from forge world put on display this year at games day yet? Or is that a negative this year?

Nothing new was on display

I just want to say thanks. I've been confused why we haven't gotten a flood of upcoming Forge world goodies this year.

=S

Lockark wrote:

Absolon wrote:

Lockark wrote:Has their been any new modles from forge world put on display this year at games day yet? Or is that a negative this year?

Nothing new was on display

I just want to say thanks. I've been confused why we haven't gotten a flood of upcoming Forge world goodies this year.

=S

Yeah regardless of the announcement or the fact that it's slated for only 1-3 months out I'd still like to see prototypes and examples on display at GD. Aside from Forge World displays and announcements there doesn't seem to be a point to paying attention to GD.

Platuan4th wrote:If you're trying to be fluffy, you wouldn't play Nids during the HH.

... or leave no enemy alive to tell

Anyway, from Warseer:

simonbeard wrote:Spoke with Alan Bligh at Games Day US (real nice chap), and he told me the following:

1. The deadline the fine folks at Forge World have given themselves is to have dolls for all the entries from the first Monstrous Arcanum book out by Summer 2013.

2. There's going to be a story-driven book like Tamurkhan released every one or two years with new dolls and rules and focusing on different armies (next one is Empire + Dwarves vs. Orcs + Goblins and it focuses on a single battle; but we already knew that). These story-driven scenario/campaign/rule books will come out alongside new Monstrous Arcanum books as they are finished.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

kronk wrote:Why? This is covered in every IA book. With Opponent's permission.

'Cept that's not what it says in every IA book.

Every IA book has something very similar to this in the front of the book.

"As with all our models these should be considered 'official', but owing to the fact they may be unknown to your opponent, it's best to make sure they are happy to play a game using Forge World models before you start. "

Tell me an IA book without something very similar to this sentence. FW is no different from planet strike or cities of death or any other expansion. Tournament Organizers can allow them or not, players can agree to play them or not. I can also turn down a game against your allied Tau and Ultramarines.

But we're way off-topic.

I'm certainly excited about this. However, I'm bummed there hasn't been any nice photos posted from Games Day of stuff in the Forgeworld case.

I had planned on attending Games Day and it looks like I made the wise decision to not travel halfway across the country.

kronk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

kronk wrote:Why? This is covered in every IA book. With Opponent's permission.

'Cept that's not what it says in every IA book.

Every IA book has something very similar to this in the front of the book.

"As with all our models these should be considered 'official', but owing to the fact they may be unknown to your opponent, it's best to make sure they are happy to play a game using Forge World models before you start. "

Tell me an IA book without something very similar to this sentence. FW is no different from planet strike or cities of death or any other expansion. Tournament Organizers can allow them or not, players can agree to play them or not. I can also turn down a game against your allied Tau and Ultramarines.

But we're way off-topic.

Doesn't Imperial Armour apoc vol.1:2ed say something along the lines that one should consider the "approved for normal 40k units" as officle as any codex? But because people may not be that familiar with the units, to make sure you have the book/unit entries on hand for your opponents convenience?

I seem to bassicly remember it out right saying that you shouldn't need your opponent's permission to use the units.

Other wise all the other IA books are bassicly "ask your opponents permission lul, k?"

Lockark, read my post. That quote is directly out of IA:Apocalypse 2nd Edition.

"As with all our models these should be considered 'official', but owing to the fact they may be unknown to your opponent, it's best to make sure they are happy to play a game using Forge World models before you start. "

This is not new. This doesn't change anything. These are more or less the same words used in all of the IA books.

I'm disappointed that there aren't more pictures coming out of Games Day. Weren't there tons of pictures last year of new stuff? The Video where they first unveiled the Contemptor Dreadnought, the IA11 book and contents preview?

kronk wrote:Lockark, read my post. That quote is directly out of IA:Apocalypse 2nd Edition.

I don't own any of the IA books. If I use something from one of them, it's because I photocopied the entry from a friend's book. You also didn't actually say were the quote came from in you post.
=U

I was legit asking a question, as that's why there is a question mark.... So don't go biting my head off now, because I didn't magically know were you got the quote from ok?

I wasn't biting your head off. If you're picking up hostility from my post, it wasn't what I was attempting to insert in it. You're inserting that perception yourself, I'm afraid.

Regardless, even before the post I put up:
"Every IA book has something very similar to this in the front of the book." IA: Apoc 2nd Edition (Horrible name, by the way), isn't any different in that regard.

This whole thing just sounds expensive...... For me....

logg_frogg wrote:This whole thing just sounds expensive...... For me....

This should be dropping around the time of the rumored Chaos codex, which I want to start. It will be a very expensive time at my house...

logg_frogg wrote:This whole thing just sounds expensive...... For me....

Time to buy lottery tickets.

kronk wrote:I wasn't biting your head off. If you're picking up hostility from my post, it wasn't what I was attempting to insert in it. You're inserting that perception yourself, I'm afraid.

Telling someone that they did not read their post carefully enough, is usely not meant meant to be taken in a polite manner.
=/

kronk wrote:
"Every IA book has something very similar to this in the front of the book." IA: Apoc 2nd Edition (Horrible name, by the way), isn't any different in that regard.

As I was saying I thought IA:vol1:2ed had different wording then most of the older AI books. I seemed to remember alot of buzz about it on the message boards and blogs when it came out.

There was a lot of buzz, mainly because they started using logos to show what was meant for a normal 40k game and what was meant for Apocalypse. However, a lot of those folks were missing the part at the start of the book that I quoted.

Either way, my group has been using the FW rules for some time, now. It was nice that they started labeling things for Apoc vs Standard play in our opinions.

Lockark wrote:

kronk wrote:I wasn't biting your head off. If you're picking up hostility from my post, it wasn't what I was attempting to insert in it. You're inserting that perception yourself, I'm afraid.

Telling someone that they did not read their post carefully enough, is usely not meant meant to be taken in a polite manner.
=/

logg_frogg wrote:This whole thing just sounds expensive...... For me....

19 miniature for the Primarchs alone, probably $59.99 EACH, is $1,140, then all the marines, we are looking at well over $2000


time to start saving I guess

kronk wrote:
I'm sorry. There is the apology you're fishing for. Can we move on?

I was letting you know why I took it as hostile, not fishing for a apology. You already said you didn't mean for it to be taken that way....

But if your going to apologize, then I might as well apologize for coming across that I was fishing for one.
O.o

@ Lockark: *hugs*

@DIDM: $1100? Sounds about right.

I'm glad Kronk and Lockark are buds again.

Now, more Brother on Brother Crime and less hugging - stat!

Where's the Games Day pictures? Last year there were tons, including videos of the Contemptor Dreadnought...

Or is that just for the UK Games Day? Remember this Epic Thread?

It's too bad the Tzeentch book was scrapped. I figured it was just moved back for the Necron book.

I'm really lookin forward to the Necron book, that's going to be awesome, I hope.

kronk wrote:Where's the Games Day pictures? Last year there were tons, including videos of the Contemptor Dreadnought...[/url]

I haven't seen a single 'review' or mention on this forum about somebody being at Games Day aside from on thread on the Golden Daemon. I guess FW had no new models on display.

Ah finally, I've been sitting on this rumour for quite some time. This has been a work in progress for a significant period of time, so I expect a large quantity of releases, but they hint at that with 'book 1'!

Sitting on a rumour lego? Have you got some sort of NDA you're not telling us about?

legoburner wrote:Ah finally, I've been sitting on this rumour for quite some time. This has been a work in progress for a significant period of time, so I expect a large quantity of releases, but they hint at that with 'book 1'!

What?!?!?

Good thing I'm Alpha Legion, or I'd have to go all World Eater on this place!

superdupermatt wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but forgeworld are planning to sell a few of the new HH books early at the GDUK Seminar...
This info came straight from FW, it's their plan as long as they do not have any issues. I'm going to be first in line for the Seminar now!!

Harry wrote:Reading the above posts it sounds like folks may be expecting more than one book.
I am pretty sure it is only the first book that will be available at GD

This was discussed on the 2012 rumours thread about 2 months ago.
SunTzu said this was coming at GD UK and he and I shared a joke as I knew he had nailed it.
No reason anyone would have seen this .... it was around page 40 of a 90 page thread! WTF

I went on to say:

"I can be more specific ....
There are three Heresy books coming .... the first one later this year. (at GD UK)
...and yes you are quite right there are some big and exciting things coming with them".

There had been no mention of Primachs back then but you can guess now what I was hinting at back then.
Again I am only expecting the first.

Sanguinius will likely be the first Forgeworld item I purchase.

He won't be the first one done. (I imagine. )

I have previously said there are 3 books planned.
The first IS Istavaan III.
There are three Primarchs in the first book.
Your names are good ... but theres are better.
The names are something like 'The Betrayal' and 'Retribution'.

If there are 3 books covering stages of the HH and there are Primarch models involved with each, I believe it would be something like; 3-4 Traitor Primarchs, 5-6 Traitor and 3-4 Loyal, and finally 4-5 more Loyalist.

Wasn't that the pattern of betrayal revealed?

Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, Death Guard, and the World Eaters on Istvaan III.

Then; Istvaan V for the Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, Word Bearers, and the Night Lords vs. Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard.

Then; Everyone else not listed as it was on to Terra after that. So Thousand Sons, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, White Scars, and Space Wolves

Although 3 of them were late to the party.

i really want to be able to run magnus with my 1k sons. that would be the best

I haven't bought any models for a year, I'm cutting back..

But I will of course have to get Robute.

mattyrm wrote: I haven't bought any models for a year, I'm cutting back..

But I will of course have to get Robute.

You, me and a whole lot of other people!

I'll take this as 'confirmation' that the Primarchs are going to be getting models AND rules - and I am VERY happy!

Makes sense on many levels:

1) This is about the HORUS HERESY - if there was ever a time to field Primarchs, this is it!
2) GW has been having their lunch money stolen for years via various Not-Primarchs - time for Daddy to Cash In!
3) It is about time!