Besides ebay, games-workshop.com, and the dakkadakka section of the forum? I have checked my FLGS, the warstore.com, spikebits.com, and bunch of other places. None of them sell them. Where could I find them?

Update:


New SoB models in the works?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/08/rumors-gw-upcoming-miniatures-releases.html


ISTERS OF BATTLE
Prioress Lazarea Verata
Sister Superior Magdalenia
Canoness with Power Axe

Battle Sisters
Seraphim / Patronica Squad
Repentia Squad

Exorcist / Catafalque

Deathwatch Librarian
Deathwatch Kill Team
Enforcer with Heavy Stubber
Obsideo Assassin

That's really all there is, I've been adding sisters to my forces recently and yeah Ebay, GW Offical and Dakka Swap Shop/Bater town is pretty much it.

Makarov wrote:Besides ebay, gamesworkship.com, and the dakkadakka section of the forum? I have checked my FLGS, the warstore.com, spikebits.com, and bunch of other places. None of them sell them. Where could I find them?

What do you expect? SoB are metal, so direct only. Either buy them direct only or on something like ebay.

If you look into a mirror and say "Tom Kirby" three times, he shows up to sell them for you at $6 a miniature.

Brother SRM wrote:If you look into a mirror and say "Tom Kirby" three times, he shows up to sell them for you at $6 a miniature.

Will that work for a Red Gobbo? I really want one... cheap.

Brother SRM wrote:If you look into a mirror and say "Tom Kirby" three times, he shows up to sell them for you at $6 a miniature.

.... $6 a mini? I'd kill for those prices XD

Wait a while, they'll be in Finecast soon. Our Store Manager says almost - if not - all metal models will be gone by the end of 2012.

I doubt they'd bother the switch to Finecast for them.

phantommaster wrote:Wait a while, they'll be in Finecast soon. Our Store Manager says almost - if not - all metal models will be gone by the end of 2012.

Guess who those remaining, if not all minis are going to be.

We can always hope. But then GW isn't very good at exceeding expectations when you want something good.

I would argue that converting SoB to finecast would be a good thing and that's why it won't happen. It would also require attention to be paid to SoB.

phantommaster wrote:Wait a while, they'll be in Finecast soon. Our Store Manager says almost - if not - all metal models will be gone by the end of 2012.

I contacted GW Customer Services the other day before I purchased a load of Vostroyans just to check they were not going fine cast or being dropped. They said they had no plans on dropping them from the list or making them fine cast.

Customer Service knows less about upcoming releases than we do. I wouldn't use them as a source.

Kroothawk wrote:

Makarov wrote:Besides ebay, gamesworkship.com, and the dakkadakka section of the forum? I have checked my FLGS, the warstore.com, spikebits.com, and bunch of other places. None of them sell them. Where could I find them?

What do you expect? SoB are metal, so direct only. Either buy them direct only or on something like ebay.

I expected them to be like all the other 40k models. Where you can buy them off line from other stores.

A: I didn't even know that they were still metal (no one in my area plays them)
B: When if ever, will they be made in plastic.

Makarov wrote:I expected them to be like all the other 40k models. Where you can buy them off line from other stores.

A: I didn't even know that they were still metal (no one in my area plays them)
B: When if ever, will they be made in plastic.

You can buy them off line from other stores. Stores can buy direct-only items at a lesser discount, if they choose, and resell them to customers. They just choose not to.

A: yep, still metal.
B: Right after pigs fly.

I admit I really like my SoBs in metal... it's very satisfying to have the weight in your miniatures

Ebay is probably your best bet for now. Or GW direct.

Makarov wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Makarov wrote:Besides ebay, gamesworkship.com, and the dakkadakka section of the forum? I have checked my FLGS, the warstore.com, spikebits.com, and bunch of other places. None of them sell them. Where could I find them?

What do you expect? SoB are metal, so direct only. Either buy them direct only or on something like ebay.

I expected them to be like all the other 40k models. Where you can buy them off line from other stores.

A: I didn't even know that they were still metal (no one in my area plays them)
B: When if ever, will they be made in plastic.

They'll get squatted before they get made in plastic or resin.

Makarov wrote:Besides ebay, gamesworkship.com, and the dakkadakka section of the forum? I have checked my FLGS, the warstore.com, spikebits.com, and bunch of other places. None of them sell them. Where could I find them?

check games-workshop.com
They make pretty good stuff.

thenoobbomb wrote:

Makarov wrote:Besides ebay, gamesworkship.com, and the dakkadakka section of the forum? I have checked my FLGS, the warstore.com, spikebits.com, and bunch of other places. None of them sell them. Where could I find them?

check games-workshop.com
They make pretty good stuff.

Fixed

Fafnir wrote:They'll get squatted before they get made in plastic or resin.

Careful, I have fire and you can't regenerate from that!

Makarov wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:

Makarov wrote:Besides ebay, gamesworkship.com, and the dakkadakka section of the forum? I have checked my FLGS, the warstore.com, spikebits.com, and bunch of other places. None of them sell them. Where could I find them?

check games-workshop.com
They make pretty good stuff.

Fixed

No problem, it was just irresistable to do for me

pretre wrote:

Fafnir wrote:They'll get squatted before they get made in plastic or resin.

Careful, I have fire and you can't regenerate from that!

Ve shall never surrender! *loads a fresh canister into a meltagun*

I really doubt the Sisters are gonna go the way of the squats, the fact that people keep buying them at GW's "new" prices is proof they're still viable

So you're expecting GW to make a somewhat wise marketing decision?

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I admit I really like my SoBs in metal... it's very satisfying to have the weight in your miniatures

So true. It may sound silly, but they just "feel" like a proper warrior miniature instead of some cheap boardgame piece that weighs less than the blister they came packaged in. I've also seen enough Finecast to know that there's a certain "risk" involved in terms of quality. And lastly, it seems Finecast would not actually make SoB minis cheaper to acquire, so ... why would we want this again?

I for one would prefer the SoB either getting normal plastics, or remaining metal. Yes, it costs a hell to acquire the latter, but I still think they're worth it.

Plastic, posable SoBs with those stupid bowl-cuts fixed would be lovely.

Conversions. Converting SOB metals is a pain in the butt.

Lynata wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I admit I really like my SoBs in metal... it's very satisfying to have the weight in your miniatures

So true. It may sound silly, but they just "feel" like a proper warrior miniature instead of some cheap boardgame piece that weighs less than the blister they came packaged in. I've also seen enough Finecast to know that there's a certain "risk" involved in terms of quality. And lastly, it seems Finecast would not actually make SoB minis cheaper to acquire, so ... why would we want this again?

I for one would prefer the SoB either getting normal plastics, or remaining metal. Yes, it costs a hell to acquire the latter, but I still think they're worth it.

Very agreed. Normal plastic and especially poseable/convertable sisters would be awesome! Finecast would not.

Fafnir wrote:Plastic, posable SoBs with those stupid bowl-cuts fixed would be lovely.

Bowl-cuts are for boys in the mid to late 90's.

Sisters have a "Bob-cut" supposedly invented by Vidal Sassoon (or however you spell his name).

Sisters could easily be made in plastic. GW just doesn't want to do it.

They make excuses like "They are too detailed" which it a lie. The GK models are very detailed as is any model made after the fantasy giant.

I've even drawn up sketches of sprue and model design. I was hoping to enter them in the "Work for GW" contest a few years ago. Should have tried to get the job...

The due date was my birthday. Should have seen it as a sign.

DeffDred wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Plastic, posable SoBs with those stupid bowl-cuts fixed would be lovely.

Bowl-cuts are for boys in the mid to late 90's.

Sisters have a "Bob-cut" supposedly invented by Vidal Sassoon (or however you spell his name).

Viva Baboon I believe

Jes Goodwin once confirmed in a video that he is working on plastic Sororitas but that there were probems with sculpting the dynamic folds. Difficult to say when they will be released, but not in the near future.

Kroothawk wrote:Jes Goodwin once confirmed in a video that he is working on plastic Sororitas but that there were probems with sculpting the dynamic folds. Difficult to say when they will be released, but not in the near future.

Yeah, it's the same ol' same ol' though. I'm betting on half past 2020 before we see anything.

DeffDred wrote:
Bowl-cuts are for boys in the mid to late 90's.

Sisters have a "Bob-cut" supposedly invented by Vidal Sassoon (or however you spell his name).

I'd prefer them to be bald.



I really like the sisters, but converting is my favourite thing in this hobby, and converting metal is just utter pain. Multi-part plastics would be glorious.

pretre wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Jes Goodwin once confirmed in a video that he is working on plastic Sororitas but that there were probems with sculpting the dynamic folds. Difficult to say when they will be released, but not in the near future.

Yeah, it's the same ol' same ol' though. I'm betting on half past 2020 before we see anything.

Optimistic me thinks

Dear Santa,

all I want for Christmas is for GW to give me the option of buying awesome gak for my favorite army in a more convienent plastic format.

pretre wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Jes Goodwin once confirmed in a video that he is working on plastic Sororitas but that there were probems with sculpting the dynamic folds. Difficult to say when they will be released, but not in the near future.

Yeah, it's the same ol' same ol' though. I'm betting on half past 2020 before we see anything.

The year Half Life 3 will be anouncd for2030?

thenoobbomb wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Jes Goodwin once confirmed in a video that he is working on plastic Sororitas but that there were probems with sculpting the dynamic folds. Difficult to say when they will be released, but not in the near future.

Yeah, it's the same ol' same ol' though. I'm betting on half past 2020 before we see anything.

The year Half Life 3 will be anouncd for2030?

On Valve's new console

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Jes Goodwin once confirmed in a video that he is working on plastic Sororitas but that there were probems with sculpting the dynamic folds. Difficult to say when they will be released, but not in the near future.

Yeah, it's the same ol' same ol' though. I'm betting on half past 2020 before we see anything.

The year Half Life 3 will be anouncd for2030?

On Valve's new console

... running Android.

Purifier wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Jes Goodwin once confirmed in a video that he is working on plastic Sororitas but that there were probems with sculpting the dynamic folds. Difficult to say when they will be released, but not in the near future.

Yeah, it's the same ol' same ol' though. I'm betting on half past 2020 before we see anything.

The year Half Life 3 will be anouncd for2030?

On Valve's new console

... running Android.

.... with a Steam app..

thenoobbomb wrote:

Purifier wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Jes Goodwin once confirmed in a video that he is working on plastic Sororitas but that there were probems with sculpting the dynamic folds. Difficult to say when they will be released, but not in the near future.

Yeah, it's the same ol' same ol' though. I'm betting on half past 2020 before we see anything.

The year Half Life 3 will be anouncd for2030?

On Valve's new console

... running Android.

.... with a Steam app..

and a piece of the true cross and the Emperor's tears as part of the graphics card

I'd make a Duke Nukem Forever joke, but that would be passé. GW, FLGS, and ebay for me have been great sources for my SoB. In fact, I just ordered last Saturday the last two Immolator kits I needed along with the last few dual Bolt Pistol Seraphim I needed to make three full squads of 10. Good luck OP in your quest for Sisters.

Immolator kits are an awesome deal. Are they still cheaper than rhinos?

I suck so bad at hair and face painting so I tend to get death korps, and steel legion. All my marines wear helmets. Safety first!

If I go sisters, I really would like to take a dab at painting faces but I do wish they had better hair cuts.

What's so bad with the bob? It is iconic.

I was sitting on 1500 points of Sisters for a long time waiting for them to get a new codex and plastic models before expanding. I gave up. Most of mine have gone the way of ebay or are currently listed there to go away.

Sisters of Battle are a pipe dream that is not going to be realized in any manner which I would consider timely so I moved on. More power to you though!

Immolator kit is same price as Rhino.

Heh. Yeah, waiting for plastics is a fools game at this point. They do get fairly regular codex updates though. That's nice.

Oh, they did raise the price. Still, so many more bits than a rhino for the same price.

pretre wrote:Heh. Yeah, waiting for plastics is a fools game at this point. They do get fairly regular codex updates though. That's nice.

Oh, they did raise the price. Still, so many more bits than a rhino for the same price.

Agreed, the Immolator is a good deal.

I would not consider that travesty of a White Dwarf Codex as an update. More like a nail in the coffin.

I like the White Dwarf codex. I think it brought back a Sisters central list and 6th edition restored anything that was lost by allowing allies. Win-win.

The codex itself was... adequate and I always preferred sister centered lists. However, the fact that it was a White Dwarf release was appalling. I would have preferred to wait for a new (real) codex along with new miniatures. Getting a White Dwarf codex is similar to being an orphan and having a family start the adoption process. Only, like with the White Dwarf Codex, you soon realize that you are not getting anything concrete for your army (no new actual codex and no new actual miniatures) which is similar to how that orphan feels when the family decides they cannot afford to adopt.

Rivet wrote:The codex itself was... adequate and I always preferred sister centered lists. However, the fact that it was a White Dwarf release was appalling.

You do know that we have a history of this, right?
2nd Edition - Codex: Sisters of Battle (one of the last codexes before 3rd)
3rd Edition - Black Book List, Codex: Sisters of Battle in WD (Aka, Codex: Chapter Approved) , Codex: Witchhunters with WD Zealots add-on
4th Edition - Continued C:WH
5th Edition - Codex: Sisters of Battle in WD
6th Edition - Continued C:SOB in WD

So we've had one real codex in 6 editions. We also had one inquisition mixed codex. Codex: Chapter Approved was perhaps the best list out of the codexes we have had so far, in my opinion. C:SOB with 6th Edition allies is probably my second favorite.

I would have preferred to wait for a new (real) codex along with new miniatures. Getting a White Dwarf codex is similar to being an orphan and having a family start the adoption process. Only, like with the White Dwarf Codex, you soon realize that you are not getting anything concrete for your army (no new actual codex and no new actual miniatures) which is similar to how that orphan feels when the family decides they cannot afford to adopt.

I wouldn't go that far. Blood Angels got exactly the same treatment and they are fine now.

pretre wrote:I like the White Dwarf codex. I think it brought back a Sisters central list and 6th edition restored anything that was lost by allowing allies. Win-win.

Whilst I enjoy the Sisters-centric list, I am fairly sure we all agree on the lack of options, especially as far as the Canoness is concerned. And when I am forced to take allies to restore which was lost ... what's the difference to the Witch Hunter Codex, again?
Oh, wait, the WH Codex actually allowed me to field a pure SoB army as well, only that I did not have to rely on non-SoB special characters to make it competitive.

Lynata wrote:Whilst I enjoy the Sisters-centric list, I am fairly sure we all agree on the lack of options, especially as far as the Canoness is concerned.

The only lack of options is the Canoness and that is simply a return to her 3rd edition roots, pre-C:WH. As much as I liked the Jump Canoness of Doom, I'm sure we can agree that that was probably an unintended consequence.

And when I am forced to take allies to restore which was lost ... what's the difference to the Witch Hunter Codex, again?

That's the point. If you liked C:WH, which was an aberration in Sisters armies, you can still field it with allies. If you didn't? Welcome back to your roots.

Oh, wait, the WH Codex actually allowed me to field a pure SoB army as well, only that I did not have to rely on non-SoB special characters to make it competitive.

You don't need non-SOB characters to make the WD codex competitive. Celestine is plenty competitive and you only need one HQ. Also, Kyrinov and Uriah are basically SOB characters since they have been in SOB codexes going back to 2nd edition.

I know there is a history of it, however, it does not make me like or want to accept it any less. It just further proves my point of the orphan treatment analogy, only it has been going on for a long time.

Blood Angels got the same treatment, sure but they finally got adopted so to speak. They have their own codex.

@Lynata: I agree fully. I think one of the things that was the last straw so to speak was taking away my jump pack canoness, especially after I had just finished converting an amazing one from Celestine and Sanguinor + bits.

I dunno, I've just been doing this waaay too long to get upset over the loss of one type of unit or another. We have always been orphans. That combined with our metal models pretty much define SoB as an army.

To talk about the jump canoness, I always felt this was an oversight. I don't think I ever really thought 'GW certainly intended for Sisters of Battle to have the hardest to kill close combat character through a clever arrangement of wargear'. Add to that the fact that the JP Canoness never really appeared in previous versions of the list and I knew she wasn't long for the world. Don't get me wrong, I had one or two assembled for my army, but when they took it away, I just shrugged and moved on.

pretre wrote:The only lack of options is the Canoness and that is simply a return to her 3rd edition roots, pre-C:WH. As much as I liked the Jump Canoness of Doom, I'm sure we can agree that that was probably an unintended consequence.

Ah, I didn't even mean the jump-pack - whilst hilarious and effective, I always thought it was a bit unfluffy myself. Though I suppose this could have been dealt with by some custom background, like just fielding the Canoness as a special Seraphim heroine.

No, what is grinding my gears is that we've been robbed of stuff like the Blessed Weapon, the Mantle of Ophelia or the Cloak of St. Aspira. Having access to such items would go a long way to actually make the Canoness a viable choice again.
Whilst you may argue that this is a return to her pre-WH roots, I will argue that back in those days, everybody had the same lack of fancy special gear. These days, not doing so is a drawback, and one which makes it fairly hard to go for this option even if you are willing to make concessions.

pretre wrote:That's the point. If you liked C:WH, which was an aberration in Sisters armies, you can still field it with allies. If you didn't? Welcome back to your roots.

You could always field a pure SoB army. Well, not always. Actually, their roots are the WD 211 rules where you could take squads of Battle Sisters as backup for Space Marines or IG. But codexwise, it has gotten worse, since a C:WH pure SoB army arguably had more stuff than a 5E pure SoB army - and if you take them with 6E allies you do not gain anything that would make them superior to what was possible if you made use of everything in C:WH. Where's the win in that?

pretre wrote:You don't need non-SOB characters to make the WD codex competitive. Celestine is plenty competitive and you only need one HQ. Also, Kyrinov and Uriah are basically SOB characters since they have been in SOB codexes going back to 2nd edition.

Celestine isn't a Battle Sister, and neither are Kyrinov and Uriah. I just wanted to field a bunch of nuns with guns.

One of the many reasons why I like the fact that my buddy and I still play with 4th edition rules. It means that alongside my Kroot Mercs, Space Wolves 13th company, and Legion of the Damned cursed founding army, I can keep playing my Sisters of Battle in the way that they were the most fun, which is to either use the Chapter Approved Codex, or Codex: Witchhunters, and actually give my Canoness wargear.

I am insulted by GW and the fact that because I didn't hear about the Codex in White Dwarf until after it was out, I have to do so much work just to even use the models I spent so much money on in the current climate.

Lynata wrote:No, what is grinding my gears is that we've been robbed of stuff like the Blessed Weapon, the Mantle of Ophelia or the Cloak of St. Aspira. Having access to such items would go a long way to actually make the Canoness a viable choice again.

Fair enough, we have had those for quite some time (going back to C:CA)

since a C:WH pure SoB army arguably had more stuff than a 5E pure SoB army -

That's not true.
C:WH, pure SoB: Heroine, Celestine, Celestian, Repentia, BSS, Dominions, Seraphim, Retributors, Exorcist
C:SOB, pure SOB: Canoness, Celestine, Celestian Command Squad, Celestians, Repentia, BSS, Dominions, Seraphim, Retributors, Exorcist

So we got the CCS (which arguably we had with less rules in C:WH). It's pretty much a wash.

and if you take them with 6E allies you do not gain anything that would make them superior to what was possible if you made use of everything in C:WH. Where's the win in that?

You were severly restricted in what you could take from allied lists and SoB couldn't have allied SM in the same list before (although you could the other way around). Now you have more options that you didn't have in C:WH (Valks, Artillery, Manticores, all sorts of HQs, elites, etc).

Celestine isn't a Battle Sister, and neither are Kyrinov and Uriah. I just wanted to field a bunch of nuns with guns.

Of her life before she was declared a Living Saint, very little is known of
Celestine, other than that she was a Sister Repentia of the Order of Our
Martyred Lady.

Celestine is an SOB.


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AegisGrimm wrote:One of the many reasons why I like the fact that my buddy and I still play with 4th edition rules. It means that alongside my Kroot Mercs, Space Wolves 13th company, and Legion of the Damned cursed founding army, I can keep playing my Sisters of Battle in the way that they were the most fun, which is to either use the Chapter Approved Codex, or Codex: Witchhunters, and actually give my Canoness wargear.

I am insulted by GW and the fact that because I didn't hear about the Codex in White Dwarf until after it was out, I have to do so much work just to even use the models I spent so much money on in the current climate.

Yes, we get it. You love 4th edition. If you're house-ruling anyways, you could play any of those lists in 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th editions. Just pick the codex you want. If you are really hard up for the codex, PM me and I might know where you can find a copy.

Yes, we get it. You love 4th edition.

No need to get snappy......and to be truthful, I'm only "meh" about 4th. Some people can't pour money into the hobby just to tread water, though.


I think GW bould really help the army sell by putting their WD 'dex up on the website, and show people that are looking at the SOB for the first time that they can actually play them as an army in 6th edition. That at the least would go a long way.

pretre wrote:That's not true.
C:WH, pure SoB: Heroine, Celestine, Celestian, Repentia, BSS, Dominions, Seraphim, Retributors, Exorcist
C:SOB, pure SOB: Canoness, Celestine, Celestian Command Squad, Celestians, Repentia, BSS, Dominions, Seraphim, Retributors, Exorcist
So we got the CCS (which arguably we had with less rules in C:WH). It's pretty much a wash.

I was referring to the wargear.
Personally, I could even do with less types of units if I could just kit them out in a better way.

pretre wrote:You were severly restricted in what you could take from allied lists and SoB couldn't have allied SM in the same list before (although you could the other way around). Now you have more options that you didn't have in C:WH (Valks, Artillery, Manticores, all sorts of HQs, elites, etc).

You could take everything from the IG Codex if you used them as Inducted Allies to the WH army.
You could also field Sisters together with SM and all their variants if you used WH as allies to Marines (with exception of SoB Heavy Support).
There were some limitations, but I wouldn't call them "severe". You just had to juggle a bit and decide which Codex is the main force and which is its ally, as the limitations were different depending on which of the two options you picked.

pretre wrote:Of her life before she was declared a Living Saint, very little is known of Celestine, other than that she was a Sister Repentia of the Order of Our Martyred Lady.
Celestine is an SOB.

She was a SoB. Now she's a Living Saint. You should know that I am aware of her background.

I don't want my army to be commanded by some mythical angelic saint or an Ecclesiarchy priest. I just want a proper commander of the Orders Militant without any fancy space magic.

Personally, I could even do with less types of units if I could just kit them out in a better way....
I don't want my army to be commanded by some mythical angelic saint or an Ecclesiarchy priest. I just want a proper commander of the Orders Militant without any fancy space magic.

I agree. That's what seems to most lost to me about the current SoB.

Lynata wrote: I was referring to the wargear.
Personally, I could even do with less types of units if I could just kit them out in a better way.

Oh, fair enough. There's more wargear in C:WH.

pretre wrote:You could take everything from the IG Codex if you used them as Inducted Allies to the WH army.

That's not true. You could only take Infantry Platoons, Armoured Fists, Sentinels, Rough Riders and 0-1 LRBT.

You could also field Sisters together with SM and all their variants if you used WH as allies to Marines (with exception of SoB Heavy Support).

Right, but you couldn't bring SM to an SOB list. Now everything is available both ways.

There were some limitations, but I wouldn't call them "severe". You just had to juggle a bit and decide which Codex is the main force and which is its ally, as the limitations were different depending on which of the two options you picked.

Right, but less restrictions + more options = more availability now.

She was a SoB. Now she's a Living Saint. You should know that I am aware of her background.

Yeah, but I think you are quibbling. She's basically an advanced SOB. It is like saying Sanguinor or Meph aren't Blood Angels.

I don't want my army to be commanded by some mythical angelic saint or an Ecclesiarchy priest. I just want a proper commander of the Orders Militant without any fancy space magic.

You might be in the wrong army if you don't want fancy space magic. It is kinda our thing. Fancy Divine space magic, that is.


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AegisGrimm wrote:

Personally, I could even do with less types of units if I could just kit them out in a better way....
I don't want my army to be commanded by some mythical angelic saint or an Ecclesiarchy priest. I just want a proper commander of the Orders Militant without any fancy space magic.

I agree. That's what seems to most lost to me about the current SoB.

It isn't lost to you though. Field a canoness with two Plasma Pistols in a CCS with some multimeltas. Run around nuking the crud out of people. It may not be Jacobus or Celestine, but it is still good.

It isn't lost to you though. Field a canoness with two Plasma Pistols in a CCS with some multimeltas. Run around nuking the crud out of people. It may not be Jacobus or Celestine, but it is still good.

Unfortunately haven't bought a WD in years so I missed the Codex, meaning I can't even field my army in 6th edition without finding the rules somewhere, and i really don;t have any idea where to look.

pretre wrote:That's not true. You could only take Infantry Platoons, Armoured Fists, Sentinels, Rough Riders and 0-1 LRBT.

You're right on that - I was only looking on page 25 when these particular restrictions were in an additional textbox on page 26 next to the entry of the Canoness... I blame the layout!

Yeah, I suppose judging purely by Allies rules, 6E is the better edition. For a pure SoB army, I maintain that the lack of options is ... well, perhaps not crippling us, but putting us at a severe disadvantage that can only be partially overcome if we field a very particular type of force. The problem with SC seems to extend to all armies lately, but with the Sisters it feels even stronger because the SC aren't even "true" Sisters. I'd prolly complain less if they had also given us Praxedes back, but for some reason she's the one actual Sisters SC that is missing.

pretre wrote:Yeah, but I think you are quibbling. She's basically an advanced SOB. It is like saying Sanguinor or Meph aren't Blood Angels.

It's not quibbling. Regardless of her background, Celestine is not part of the Sororitas command structure. She holds no formal rank and isn't, indeed never even was, an officer of the Orders Militant. She is a Living Saint of the Ecclesiarchy as a whole. She doesn't lead an Order and she is not part of some squad, she just shows up and disappears again. For my Sisters, I want a proper leader - a mistress for their convent.

And yes, Sanguinor is not a true Blood Angel either. Meph is, however.

pretre wrote:You might be in the wrong army if you don't want fancy space magic. It is kinda our thing. Fancy Divine space magic, that is.

Not to me. Acts of Faith are borne of the Sisters conviction to their faith. That's not magical, it may only ... "appear miraculous to the unschooled", as our own Codex says.
In other words: To my Sisters, it undoubtedly appears as if the Emperor Himself is protecting them from harm and helps them overcome their foe. I as their player prefer to think that it is their own strength, focused and magnified by prayer and zeal, that lends them these abilities.

I have no problem with Celestine's magic (which I interpret as possession by a benign warp spirit conjured by the masses of the faithful) - I just prefer running my Order as a professional religious-military outfit, and as such they require a proper commander.

Plus, it is way easier to come up with a custom background for a random Canoness. SCs always feel a little too ... well, special (duh) to me. I don't want my army be that special, I want it to be a Minor Order amongst many.

Counts-as Celestine as a Canoness who came from the ranks of the Seraphim with a Jump Pack, Mantle and Blessed Weapon. Poof!

pretre wrote:Counts-as Celestine as a Canoness who came from the ranks of the Seraphim with a Jump Pack, Mantle and Blessed Weapon. Poof!

That would be a viable option if I hadn't earlier mentioned that I never deemed a Jumpy Canoness a very fluffy choice, and if Celestine didn't come with a whole bag of special rules that are a bit much for even the Sisters' Acts of Faith.

I get what you're trying to do and applaud your steadfast optimism, but as far as my own opinion is concerned, I deem it preferable to simply admit that the Minidex was screwing us and hope for better times (with a proper book). In the meantime, I'll continue fielding a proper commander for my Order (with Command Squad) and just have to learn to deal with the suckage and the resultant effect on gameplay efficiency.

If I weren't a style over substance kind of person I'd have probably taken another army, anyways. The good times of the E-Z bake oven were already long gone when I discovered my interest for the Sisters.

Lynata wrote:
I have no problem with Celestine's magic (which I interpret as possession by a benign warp spirit conjured by the masses of the faithful) - I just prefer running my Order as a professional religious-military outfit, and as such they require a proper commander.

Plus, it is way easier to come up with a custom background for a random Canoness. SCs always feel a little too ... well, special (duh) to me. I don't want my army be that special, I want it to be a Minor Order amongst many.

Well, Celestine doesn't necessarily have any 'space-magic' either. Her inability to die might be just willpower, luck, etc. Yarric has pretty similar rule and he has no space-magic, he's just a tough old geezer that refuses to die.

And you could run counts-as-Celestine as a character of your own creation, but I agree she might be a bit too special for that. It is just really hard to justify taking Canoness. Give her some wargear and she's as expensive as Celestine. Though she gives an access to a command squad. Are those any good?

Lynata wrote:

pretre wrote:Counts-as Celestine as a Canoness who came from the ranks of the Seraphim with a Jump Pack, Mantle and Blessed Weapon. Poof!

That would be a viable option if I hadn't earlier mentioned that I never deemed a Jumpy Canoness a very fluffy choice, and if Celestine didn't come with a whole bag of special rules that are a bit much for even the Sisters' Acts of Faith.

Ahh, but you did say an uppity Seraphim would be okay.

If I weren't a style over substance kind of person I'd have probably taken another army, anyways. The good times of the E-Z bake oven were already long gone when I discovered my interest for the Sisters.

Ahh, E-Z bakes. Those WERE a good time.


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Crimson wrote:And you could run counts-as-Celestine as a character of your own creation, but I agree she might be a bit too special for that. It is just really hard to justify taking Canoness. Give her some wargear and she's as expensive as Celestine. Though she gives an access to a command squad. Are those any good?

They aren't bad. Just spendy. I think you could do okay with a Dual PP Canoness with a couple multi-meltas in the CCS. Spendy, but puts down some nasty wounds.

Crimson wrote:Though she gives an access to a command squad. Are those any good?

Good, yes. Efficient for their points ... that's another matter entirely.
Though FNP is always nice to have, even if it was recently nerfed.

Crimson wrote:Yarric has pretty similar rule and he has no space-magic, he's just a tough old geezer that refuses to die.

That was indeed new to me. He really gets up again and again, even when he was hit by ... uh, a lance strike or a lascannon or whatever? That is impressive. A bit silly perhaps.

pretre wrote:Ahh, but you did say an uppity Seraphim would be okay.

Easier to justify! I myself still wouldn't do so, but that's the advice I would give a fellow SoB player.
Guess I'm hard to please when it comes to such details.

Last I heard, the SoB plastics are complete, on sprue, and in warehouses.

On the shelves next to them are the Eldar, Tau and several new models for a supposed "Codex: Allies".

Lynata wrote:That was indeed new to me. He really gets up again and again, even when he was hit by ... uh, a lance strike or a lascannon or whatever? That is impressive. A bit silly perhaps.

Yarrick's rule is a bit different from that of Celestine, but the basic idea is the same. When he loses his last wound he gets recovers with a single wound on 3+ at the beginning of the next IG turn. This can happen many times and instant death doesn't seem to affect it. However, if he fails the recovery roll, he is removed as casualty.

DeffDred wrote:Last I heard, the SoB plastics are complete, on sprue, and in warehouses.

On the shelves next to them are the Eldar, Tau and several new models for a supposed "Codex: Allies".

Where'd you hear this?

Because based on my experience over the last 15 years, I'll believe that when me gak turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

At this rate I am thinking of buying 3rd party models, and using them as SoB. I don't need that many since I am only planning on bringing them as Allies to my guard.

Yeah, there are a bunch of good standins for SOB if you aren't stuck on the 'official' models.

pretre wrote:

DeffDred wrote:Last I heard, the SoB plastics are complete, on sprue, and in warehouses.

On the shelves next to them are the Eldar, Tau and several new models for a supposed "Codex: Allies".

Where'd you hear this?

Because based on my experience over the last 15 years, I'll believe that when me gak turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

Just things I've heard over the past few months. Most things that sound too good to be true are... 5 years away.

5 years might be generous.

pretre wrote:Yeah, there are a bunch of good standins for SOB if you aren't stuck on the 'official' models.

Such as?

Protectorate of Menoth

Infinity crusader dudes from the previous page.

Arbites.

Crimson wrote:

pretre wrote:Yeah, there are a bunch of good standins for SOB if you aren't stuck on the 'official' models.

Such as?

I have a squad of ladies in power armour. I have no idea what game system they were for. They fit nicely to scale next to a marine.

If I had a camera I'd post a pic. Maybe then I'd know what they are and where they came from.

HE legs (dress/robes), DE Chests, Female Heads, Cadian Arms.

Crimson wrote:

pretre wrote:Yeah, there are a bunch of good standins for SOB if you aren't stuck on the 'official' models.

Such as?

They are out there you just got to look for them. I literal googled 28mm nuns with guns, and 28mm nuns

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/assassin/sku-down/50233

http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=204_207_220

http://shop.groundzerogames.net/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=97

http://www.sgmm.biz/PULP15-Nuns-with-Guns_p_169.html

Hell I even found Sister of Battle models that can be used with Blood Bowl
http://www.thewarstore.com/sistersnunsteam.html

Yeah okay... So instead of GW metal models you can use other company's metal models that look way worse and lack armour. I'm not seeing the appeal.

Huh, those Chosen Sisters don't look too bad - they even have power armour.

Makarov wrote:http://www.thewarstore.com/sistersnunsteam.html

Oh Emperor.

Crimson wrote:Yeah okay... So instead of GW metal models you can use other company's metal models that look way worse and lack armour. I'm not seeing the appeal.

Woah, down boy. Someone had mentioned using 3rd party models, so we gave him some suggestions.

I'm sure there's more to find if one were committed to a search, too. These are just the first results that popped up, right?

"Mix 'n match" might also be an option - taking plastic bodies of sci-fi armoured girls but give them nun heads or something. Could possibly still end up cheaper.

Lynata wrote:Huh, those Chosen Sisters don't look too bad - they even have power armour.

Well, they have the armour but the pic is way too small to judge the quality. I'm highly sceptical about manufacturers that don't have proper pictures of their products on their site.

Yeah those alternatives are awful. But it's always nice to have options. Also on the bit about saint Celestine. After she was resurrected she did indeed take the role of commander. She lead the sisters all over the sector even instructing them to find the armor of saint Katherine. ( I'm pretty sure it was Katherine). If Celestine isn't a sister of battle then neither are any of the other saint including Alicia and friends. You can be both a saint and a battle sister. And like was said if it really bothers you and want a different commander then take a canoness.

They aren't bad they just aren't as good as the insanely under priced special characters we have. If Celestine was appropriately costed she would make our plasma canoness seem affordable.

It seems that most bit sellers won't sell bits for sister tanks. Those come with plastic torsos, arms and heads, right? Would be good for conversions if one could order them separately.

Lynata wrote:I'm sure there's more to find if one were committed to a search, too. These are just the first results that popped up, right?

"Mix 'n match" might also be an option - taking plastic bodies of sci-fi armoured girls but give them nun heads or something. Could possibly still end up cheaper.

Those are the things I came up with, with a 1 minute Google search

The problem with the SoB bits from Immolators is that they are direct only, so bits sellers can't get their margin on those items.

IIRC, there's 3 heads, a torso and two hand/forearms on each immo sprue though.

Crimson wrote:Well, they have the armour but the pic is way too small to judge the quality. I'm highly sceptical about manufacturers that don't have proper pictures of their products on their site.

Agreed, though in all fairness that was a shop pic. They didn't even say which company makes them - on either of the two store sites I found selling them. :(
Maybe someone will be able to find a better photo...

Crimson wrote:Also on the bit about saint Celestine. After she was resurrected she did indeed take the role of commander. She lead the sisters all over the sector even instructing them to find the armor of saint Katherine. ( I'm pretty sure it was Katherine). If Celestine isn't a sister of battle then neither are any of the other saint including Alicia and friends. You can be both a saint and a battle sister.

I know of Celestine's backstory, but her leading an army of Sisters doesn't make her a Sororitas commander much like it doesn't make Kyrinov one. Fluffwise, the Sisters following her surely had their own commander seconded to Celestine?

As for Alicia, she was proclaimed a Living Saint as whe was still alive and already a commander of her Order. There was no change to her status and role of leadership towards her Sisters.
Celestine on the other hand was a lowly Repentia. Sainthood qualifies her for respect and obedience by the Sisterhood, but it does not come with some sort of commission of rank, and obviously she would only show up for an individual battle. I, however, wished to field an Order as it exists as a unit.

Crimson wrote:If Celestine was appropriately costed she would make our plasma canoness seem affordable.

From what I heard that seems to be a problem with SCs in most codices of 5E, not just SoB. I just hope this is going to change again - "generic" characters allow for so much more customisation.

IcedAnimals wrote:Yeah those alternatives are awful. But it's always nice to have options. Also on the bit about saint Celestine. After she was resurrected she did indeed take the role of commander. She lead the sisters all over the sector even instructing them to find the armor of saint Katherine. ( I'm pretty sure it was Katherine). If Celestine isn't a sister of battle then neither are any of the other saint including Alicia and friends. You can be both a saint and a battle sister. And like was said if it really bothers you and want a different commander then take a canoness.

They aren't bad they just aren't as good as the insanely under priced special characters we have. If Celestine was appropriately costed she would make our plasma canoness seem affordable.

Some better looking ones. Some of these could pass for St. Celestine


http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/02411



http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/50233

Others


http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/50146

Makarov wrote:

Spoiler:

Huh. With another head, a lasgun and a bit of green stuff that might actually be a good mini for my Sororitas Novice concept - the chest armour is quite close to my sketches. If only they had more than just this one!

That's another tricky thing for anyone looking to outfit a whole army of SoB with 3rd party minis, I guess ... finding a miniature that isn't just a unique character, but actually exists in several different poses.

Lynata wrote:

Makarov wrote:

Spoiler:

Huh. With another head, a lasgun and a bit of green stuff that might actually be a good mini for my Sororitas Novice concept - the chest armour is quite close to my sketches. If only they had more than just this one!

That's another tricky thing for anyone looking to outfit a whole army of SoB with 3rd party minis, I guess ... finding a miniature that isn't just a unique character, but actually exists in several different poses.

Here are some more if you are interested.

http://eurekamin.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=nun&x=13&y=14

Some better pics

Those I have seen, but they're "a bit much" on the skimpy side.

Thanks anyways, I appreciate the gesture.

Lynata wrote:Those I have seen, but they're "a bit much" on the skimpy side.

Thanks anyways, I appreciate the gesture.

Some less skimpy ones


http://www.nobleknight.com/ProductDetail.asp_Q_ProductID_E_2147370671_A_InventoryID_E_2147716773_A_ProductLineID_E_2137419223_A_ManufacturerID_E_311_A_CategoryID_E_5_A_GenreID_E_

Brother SRM wrote:If you look into a mirror and say "Tom Kirby" three times, he shows up to sell them for you at $6 a miniature.

Sweet lord, sigging this

New SoB models in the works?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/08/rumors-gw-upcoming-miniatures-releases.html


ISTERS OF BATTLE
Prioress Lazarea Verata
Sister Superior Magdalenia
Canoness with Power Axe

Battle Sisters
Seraphim / Patronica Squad
Repentia Squad

Exorcist / Catafalque

Deathwatch Librarian
Deathwatch Kill Team
Enforcer with Heavy Stubber
Obsideo Assassin

That's the rumor... but as we just found at plastic sisters have been a rumor for over a decade now.

Well, a rumour until Jes Goodwin confirmd it a year or so ago.

"Confirmed" is just another type of rumor till the product's on the shelves.

Totally unrelated but... is your Infinity army is based off Francis "Swamp Fox" Marion?

Why yes, yes it is ^^ I'm very pleased someone got that. I thought it'd be a fun set up for a general Ari list and one that incorporates the MRR

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Why yes, yes it is ^^ I'm very pleased someone got that. I thought it'd be a fun set up for a general Ari list and one that incorporates the MRR

I just ask because I use similar fluff for my Guard regiment. The regiment originated on agri world with a lot of swamps. Which was occupied by the Tau, they fought a guerrilla war, and weakened the Tau to the point where the Imperium could Invaded. They are the "Swamp Fox Regiment".

Ahhh! Yeah the 183rd Squadron of the Ariadna Rangers is mostly formed out of Merovingian and American troopers with a couple Russians and British specialists from point to point with a deep infiltration "hit and run" combat style. Given the history of the nations working together a couple centuries ago back on Earth they figured the positive example of the Swamp Fox as the "first" Ranger unit and the French contribution to the American Revolution that it would be an excellent unit history to take up.