National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase
Hollow point bullets designed to cause maximum organ damage
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Why would the National Weather Service need to purchase large quantities of powerful ammo? That’s the question many are asking after the federal agency followed in the footsteps of the Department of Homeland Security in putting out a solicitation for 46,000 rounds of hollow point bullets.
A solicitation which appears on the FedBizOpps website asks for 16,000 rounds of .40 S&W jacketed hollow point (JHP) bullets, noted for their strength, to be delivered to locations in Ellsworth, Maine, and New Bedford, Mass.
A further 6,000 rounds of S&W JHP will be sent to Wall, New Jersey, with another 24,000 rounds of the same bullets heading to the weather station in St. Petersburg, Florida.
The solicitation also asks for 500 paper targets to be delivered to the same locations in Maine, Massachusetts and New Jersey.
The National Weather Service is is one of six scientific agencies that make up the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
The solicitation requires a response by August 21.
A d v e are t i s e m e n t
The NWS is following its federal counterpart the DHS in securing large quantities of ammo. Back in March,Homeland Security purchased 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage, prompting questions as to why the DHS needed such a large amount of powerful bullets merely for training purposes.
As the Business Insider notes, hollow point bullets have been “illegal in international warfare since 1899.”
The DHS is also planning to purchase a further 750 million rounds of different types of ammo in a separate solicitation that also expires on August 20, including 357 mag rounds that are able to penetrate walls.
The DHS recently put out an order for riot gear in preparation for the upcoming DNC, RNC and presidential inauguration. The U.S. Army is also busy buying similar equipment.
The DHS also recently purchased a number of bullet-proof checkpoint booths that include ‘stop and go’ lights.
The federal government is clearly gearing up for the likelihood of civil unrest on a scale that could outstrip what we’ve already seen in countries across Europe.
While the establishment demonizes the second amendment in light of recent mass shootings and legislation is prepared to ban the sale of large quantities of ammunition online, the federal government is acquiring ammunition at levels necessary to fight a full scale domestic war.
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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a regular fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show and Infowars Nightly News.
purplefood wrote:Maybe they know something we don't?
And by that if you mean they have fat budgets with no one providing real oversight and asking simple questions like "wait, you're a bunch of weathermen and you want 50,000 rounds of ammunition? You guys are so funny. Denied."
LordofHats wrote:Maybe they want to shoot bullets into a hurricane and see where they come out?
Or maybe (as with the army) they're attempting to find some way to make up for budget shortfalls?
Mmm...creative budget supplemation. I like that.
Maybe they are just starting a new cartel out of weather vans. I think Ron Burgundy needs to look into this.
daedalus wrote:Isn't infowars a "crazy person site", or am I misinformed?
Reading the article that jumps to a conclusion that the government is getting ready to use the National Weather Service to put down civil disorder, I think the answer is yes
daedalus wrote:Isn't infowars a "crazy person site", or am I misinformed?
Reading the article that jumps to a conclusion that the government is getting ready to use the National Weather Service to put down civil disorder, I think the answer is yes
I think we all know weathermen are the ideal insertion unit for urban pacification.
daedalus wrote:Isn't infowars a "crazy person site", or am I misinformed?
It's very much a crazy person site, which makes you really wonder about the motivations of a person who would post tripe like this without any critical thinking. There are several law enforcement agencies under the purview of the NOAA, and the ammunition is undoubtedly a multiyear contract destined for one or the other.
daedalus wrote:Isn't infowars a "crazy person site", or am I misinformed?
It's very much a crazy person site, which makes you really wonder about the motivations of a person who would post tripe like this without any critical thinking. There are several law enforcement agencies under the purview of the NOAA, and the ammunition is undoubtedly a multiyear contract destined for one or the other.
daedalus wrote:Isn't infowars a "crazy person site", or am I misinformed?
It's very much a crazy person site, which makes you really wonder about the motivations of a person who would post tripe like this without any critical thinking. There are several law enforcement agencies under the purview of the NOAA, and the ammunition is undoubtedly a multiyear contract destined for one or the other.
The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.
They are the sacred upper class that deserve such privileges. We the filthy unwashed masses must be disarmed, pacified and given the mushroom treatment as quickly as possible.
Fun facts: An anti gun senator just defended his home with a firearm, killing an intruder. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) another rabid anti-gun liberal holds a CA concealed carry permit.
KalashnikovMarine wrote:The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.
Do you have a citation for the above, that they can carry armed on planes? Also, you know every single one of those departments you listed has a law enforcement element, right?
KalashnikovMarine wrote:The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.
Do you have a citation for the above, that they can carry armed on planes? Also, you know every single one of those departments you listed has a law enforcement element, right?
I know the IRS and EPA have armed agents. If the weather service does (in case those hurricanes get uppity I guess) I could definitely see the Sept. of Education.
And thats the problem. I posted this thread for the humor of it, but its a serious issue and really reflects both the incredibly nonexistent budget review procedures and priorities of our departments; and incredible expansion of criminalization of the regulation industry.
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Fun facts: An anti gun senator just defended his home with a firearm, killing an intruder.
This didn't "just" happen. It occurred in 2009, with the cases settling in 2011. This is a "local" story for me as well, so I do recall it playing out on the local affiliates.
Make of those what you will.
I "make of it" that you need to step back and find some facts before spouting off in a knee-jerk fashion, as is so sadly common with the pro-gun individuals.
I found this in barely two minutes of Google searching.
It's also worth noting that when Googling, every other result on the first page was a site which proclaimed it "Hypocritical anti-gun senator"...despite the NRA apparently liking this guy.
I have a friend who worked at the IRS. You most definitely do not get to carry a gun just by virtue of said employment, other then what a normal citizen would have, at least at the IRS. He did have the right to carry one since he was in an enforcement capacity, but chose not to.
His previous job was as a beta tester for Nintendo, which he hated. He's had some weird employment.
46,000 isnt really alot ( I usually have on hand 3,600 to 5k rounds of 556/223, 9mm, 8mm, 30/30, 22 and I shoot semi-regularly).
But thats not the point. What does NWS need with ammo? I
Exactly.
Wait thats the job of: The Coast Guard / Navy, Department of the Interior (FIshing and Wildlife). This is even crazier. WHY ARE THE WEATHERMEN BOARDING BOATS?!?!
Oh wait. I seem to have found some video of their last stop to review logs:
I am glad that for all the work NOAA does, the only thing people know about is "they predict the weather". I wouldn't expect to know infowars to be aware that there are legitimate reasons for NOAA to have bullets if they don't know that they do a lot more than that.
d-usa wrote:I am glad that for all the work NOAA does, the only thing people know about is "they predict the weather". I wouldn't expect to know infowars to be aware that there are legitimate reasons for NOAA to have bullets if they don't know that they do a lot more than that.
Still not seeing the legtimacy. There are other departments for that. This is duplication of effort in crazy land.
Ouze wrote:I have a friend who worked at the IRS. You most definitely do not get to carry a gun just by virtue of said employment, other then what a normal citizen would have, at least at the IRS. He did have the right to carry one since he was in an enforcement capacity, but chose not to.
His previous job was as a beta tester for Nintendo, which he hated. He's had some weird employment.
I actually work at the IRS, they are too smart to give all the employees guns... Criminal Investigators do have the option to carry side arms, but not as mentioned above, all Willie nilly and such. I am fairly certain they have to check their side arms if they are traveling, just like anyone else, its just a lot less paperwork because they carry as part of their official duty.
Secondly, its a little different with government organizations on where money comes from. Know where the IRS is housed budget wise? You guessed it, the Department of Agriculture!
Edit: by mentioned above I was referring to the post someone put about IRS agents carrying wherever they want with no checks, not to Ouze's post that I quoted :-)
d-usa wrote:I am glad that for all the work NOAA does, the only thing people know about is "they predict the weather". I wouldn't expect to know infowars to be aware that there are legitimate reasons for NOAA to have bullets if they don't know that they do a lot more than that.
Still not seeing the legtimacy. There are other departments for that. This is duplication of effort in crazy land.
They have to be able to shoot wienderdogs that run into federal water and try to catch fish there
While weather is a well knowm part of NOAA's responsibilities there are numerous branches within NOAA thay serve law enforcement and even military purposes. Seriously, 10 min on wiki will see why this story is a bunch of ignorant hand waving. NOAA is more than just the weather.
NASA has no pervue for ducks. NOAA has duties for the Ocean and many of the things that go on there. Different branches can share an area of interest but have differing duties and jurisdictions. We dont use the US Navy to go after illegal fishing groups after all...
Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.
d-usa wrote:I am glad that for all the work NOAA does, the only thing people know about is "they predict the weather".
Even fewer people know that the NOAA also CONTROLS the weather!!!
streamdragon wrote:NASA has no pervue for ducks
NASA, at least at the Johnson Space Center, is more interested in deer. There are several dozen deer on-site.
Here is one of their yearly reminders that they distribute to the workers on site. I used to live 3 miles from there and drove on NASA Rd 1 as part of my daily commute. I'd see these deer all of the time running around in the field out front...
streamdragon wrote:NASA has no pervue for ducks. NOAA has duties for the Ocean and many of the things that go on there. Different branches can share an area of interest but have differing duties and jurisdictions. We dont use the US Navy to go after illegal fishing groups after all...
Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.
Maybe not the Navy, but certainly the Coast Guard goes after ocean poachers...
streamdragon wrote:NASA has no pervue for ducks. NOAA has duties for the Ocean and many of the things that go on there. Different branches can share an area of interest but have differing duties and jurisdictions. We dont use the US Navy to go after illegal fishing groups after all...
Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.
Nonsense. How many other agencies are also doing the same thing? (evidently at least the Coast Guard as noted above). Also NASA handles the atmosphere, therefore it has federal jurisdiction over ducks. Send out the Spetznatz!
streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.
bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed. Im tired of every department thinking they need to have a SWAT team of their own. It's really gotten out of hand.
streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.
bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed.
I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...
streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.
bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed.
I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...
If thats where your money goes. I pay taxes, I dont want to see it wasted. So far, thats all government is proving it's good for.
streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.
bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed.
I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...
Agreed, and seeing how audits require multiple sources of results as to remain unbiased and to prove results are not tainted by one specific test site, I will join you in the audit and also volunteer.
streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.
bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed.
I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...
Spacemanvic wrote:
I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...
See, this is why I come to Dakka for my news. I get all the regular news -politics, world happenings etc.- but I also get rabid beavers and hollow point packin' weathermen!
KalashnikovMarine wrote:The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.
Do you have a citation for the above, that they can carry armed on planes? Also, you know every single one of those departments you listed has a law enforcement element, right?
I know the IRS and EPA have armed agents. If the weather service does (in case those hurricanes get uppity I guess) I could definitely see the Sept. of Education.
And thats the problem. I posted this thread for the humor of it, but its a serious issue and really reflects both the incredibly nonexistent budget review procedures and priorities of our departments; and incredible expansion of criminalization of the regulation industry.
The Weather Service does not have an enforcement arm. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency does. They protect marine life, and there isn't very many of them. That's why their purchase order is shopped by the NWS who actual has purchasing agents. If you actually read the request it says specifically it will be shipped to the OLE offices. Infowars is all about scaremongering, sometimes they have a point. In this case they are being deliberately obtuse.
Also 46,000 rounds is not a whole lot. It's enough to do an Army MP course of fire 920 times (which is 50 rounds BTW). Most of the guys that I know carry 2 spare magazines which puts the number of rounds on an agent at about 36, they also carry an extra 50-100 in thier car or duty bag, thats a minimum of 150(issued by the box) per agent.
TLDR. 46,000 rounds of 40SW fits in the trunk of most cars with room for a dead body or two.
rubiksnoob wrote:See, this is why I come to Dakka for my news. I get all the regular news -politics, world happenings etc.- but I also get rabid beavers and hollow point packin' weathermen!
And wiener dogs crew serving anti aircraft guns against the evil Red Squirrel Menace.
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Frazzled wrote:
Ouze wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.
Do you have a citation for the above, that they can carry armed on planes? Also, you know every single one of those departments you listed has a law enforcement element, right?
I know the IRS and EPA have armed agents. If the weather service does (in case those hurricanes get uppity I guess) I could definitely see the Sept. of Education.
And thats the problem. I posted this thread for the humor of it, but its a serious issue and really reflects both the incredibly nonexistent budget review procedures and priorities of our departments; and incredible expansion of criminalization of the regulation industry.
The Weather Service does not have an enforcement arm. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency does. They protect marine life, and there isn't very many of them. That's why their purchase order is shopped by the NWS who actual has purchasing agents. If you actually read the request it says specifically it will be shipped to the OLE offices. Infowars is all about scaremongering, sometimes they have a point. In this case they are being deliberately obtuse.
Also 46,000 rounds is not a whole lot. It's enough to do an Army MP course of fire 920 times (which is 50 rounds BTW). Most of the guys that I know carry 2 spare magazines which puts the number of rounds on an agent at about 36, they also carry an extra 50-100 in thier car or duty bag, thats a minimum of 150(issued by the box) per agent.
TLDR. 46,000 rounds of 40SW fits in the trunk of most cars with room for a dead body or two.
Its not the amount, its the sublimely stupid nature of it, and duplication of bureacracies/oversight.
Fire half the government and no one would notice a decline in "efficiency."
KalashnikovMarine wrote:The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.
Do you have a citation for the above, that they can carry armed on planes? Also, you know every single one of those departments you listed has a law enforcement element, right?
paper targets? so, what exactly will be left of these targets after a blow from a hollow point?
Let me do a little math. If it's an 1" round target (really small) and the bullet is a 40 Caliber, like the article says, and it's a hollow point, and they hit the center of the target. Then there will be a 0.3" ring that with a 0.4" diameter hole in the center, so more paper left than was cut by the bullet. So, if it's a standard 8.5x11" piece of paper, you will see an almost half inch hole in the paper.
For small-arms, like rifles and pistols, caliber is a reference to the width of the bullet (not the length) in relation to an Inch. So 40 caliber means 0.40 inches, 4 tenths of an inch, less than half an inch. Unless the bullet tumbles, which no modern firearm would be designed to do, it will make a hole the size of the bullet.
Hollow-Point means there is an empty cavity in the front of the bullet. This empty cavity should not deform "in flight", because if it did then the bullet would be wildly inaccurate. It is designed to mushroom out when it hits/travels through an object. Police Departments around the country use hollow-point bullets as standard issue. The Geneva Convention requires full-metal-jacket bullets that do not deform, instead they "poke holes in people" and continue on, which is not good if you are a police officer. You want the bullet to stay in your target and not go through and hit the kid down the street.
whembly wrote:'cuz they're watching the lunar schedules...
Anti-Zombie preparations?
Great minds think alike: bullets like this for "maximum damage" suggest preparation for a serious apocalypse, of zombie nature. If they were looking to put down civil unrest, they'd probably use rubber tips or tazers to knock people on their asses, not blow them to smithereens. So the leaders know the zombies are coming. Great. Time for a gun and it's time to put off my mace-building. I aim to misbehave.
I can shoot a paper target with a .22 for target practice
hell I can shoot it with a variety of loads, but a hollow point? These are ARMOR piercing rounds, and they are ORDERING PAPER TARGETS
I just don't get it, the NWS is protected by the military like all other federal programs, they don't need an arsenal of their own.
Hollow Points (HP) and Armor Piercing (AP) rounds are not the same. They are almost exact opposites. HP rounds are designed to "mushroom" when they hit something, so as to increase damage and reduce momentum of the round. AP rounds, on the other hand, are designed to maintain shape so as to keep as much kinetic energy as possible to break through armor plating, such as ballistic vests.
And they probably practice with .45 hollow point, because that is the standard round used by law enforcement. It is especially common on ships, as the mushroom effect of the hollow point serves to reduce the chance of ricochet in the confines of a ship.
And the reason they are practicing with them is the same reason a basketball player practices with the same type of ball he's going to use in a game. Ammunition is not magic, different powder amounts and bullet selections do different things and go different places, it's not a massive amount of difference by any means but when it comes to neutralizing a threat you want to know that round is going exactly where you want it to go.
I can shoot a paper target with a .22 for target practice
hell I can shoot it with a variety of loads, but a hollow point? These are ARMOR piercing rounds, and they are ORDERING PAPER TARGETS
I just don't get it, the NWS is protected by the military like all other federal programs, they don't need an arsenal of their own.
You must be kidding. Hollow points are decidedly not armor piercing. AP rounds are built around a steel penetrator. Kinda like a nail, not a hollow point. Speaking of 22s are you under the impression that 22 hollow points are armor piercing?
Of course they are shooting paper targets, what did you want them to use? Cadavers?
Some 6000 of these rounds are frangible, the ones for New Jersey where over penetration is a special concern. The implication is that these are duty rounds first and target rounds second. When shooting is a part of your job, and your life is on the line, you train as you fight. These are the rounds they use on the job.
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement protects fish stocks from depletion and marine mammals from extinction. We also protect the livelihoods of commercial fishers, the hobbies of recreational fishers, and the health of seafood consumers.
While scientists provide the research and councils provide the regulatory framework to manage our nation's fisheries, NOAA's mandate to end overfishing would be impossible without its Office of Law Enforcement to follow through on the rest of NOAA's hard work.
NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement is responsible for carrying out more than 35 federal statutes. The agency's jurisdiction spans more than 3 million square miles of open ocean, more than 85,000 miles of U.S. coastline, the country's 13 National Marine Sanctuaries and its Marine National Monuments. It's also responsible for enforcing U.S. treaties and international law governing the high seas and international trade.
Since its close to end of the fiscal year might be that they brought the rounds for another Dept. If some remember that if money is not spent at the end of the fiscal year then thats less money they receive for the next fiscal year.
You do realize a lot of goverment facilities have armed security correct? Even "civilian" types of operations like weather services and whatnot. 46,000 rounds is not that much at all, and is probably just enough for the main facilities to provide their security staff with ammunition for security and training.
Just because they're buying bullets does not mean they are secret police or preparing for a rebellion. Also, isn't it usually a good idea to practice with the rounds that you intend to shoot? Hollowpoints probably shoot a bit differently from a normal pistol round, even if it's not a huge difference, in a life or death situation that half inch of deviation could be very important.
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
It's not the weather men
But maybe they should use wiener dogs for security, with lasers attached to their heads. Bonus for no lethal shots, just a lot of shins being taken out.
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
It's not the weather men
But maybe they should use wiener dogs for security, with lasers attached to their heads. Bonus for no lethal shots, just a lot of shins being taken out.
The wiener legions are not security. They are predators. You can't use them for protection. You can only unleash them upon their prey!
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
I'm sure at least one idiot has tried to break in and steal the computers and equipment they have in there. I know around here (kentucky) people have stolen far stranger things.
Heck, if I remember correctly, people have even stolen the warning devices and parts from weather sirens in the past.
Also, holy crap, how many wiener dogs do you have??!?!?
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
I'm sure at least one idiot has tried to break in and steal the computers and equipment they have in there. I know around here (kentucky) people have stolen far stranger things.
Heck, if I remember correctly, people have even stolen the warning devices and parts from weather sirens in the past.
Also, holy crap, how many wiener dogs do you have??!?!?
Just call 911. You don't need your own personal police force.
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I am a professional.
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Also, holy crap, how many wiener dogs do you have??!?!?
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
I'm sure at least one idiot has tried to break in and steal the computers and equipment they have in there. I know around here (kentucky) people have stolen far stranger things.
Heck, if I remember correctly, people have even stolen the warning devices and parts from weather sirens in the past.
Also, holy crap, how many wiener dogs do you have??!?!?
Just call 911. You don't need your own personal police force.
So why do people have guns. Just call 911, you don't need your own personal arsenal
I can't speak for other people, but I live in a rural area with no local police service. As a result my policing and other emergency services come from the county. There have been situations previously where I have had to call 911, and the fastest they ever arrived was about 20 minutes.
While I do not own a gun, I absolutely understand why my neighbors might. I own a taser instead since the person most likely to burglarize my house is known to us, looking for painkillers, and I'd prefer not to kill him if possible.
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
I'm sure at least one idiot has tried to break in and steal the computers and equipment they have in there. I know around here (kentucky) people have stolen far stranger things.
Heck, if I remember correctly, people have even stolen the warning devices and parts from weather sirens in the past.
Also, holy crap, how many wiener dogs do you have??!?!?
Just call 911. You don't need your own personal police force.
So why do people have guns. Just call 911, you don't need your own personal arsenal
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also before Frazz gets on infowars again the Social Security Administration posted a PO for bullets today, yes they have cops. No its not a conspiracy.
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
I'm sure at least one idiot has tried to break in and steal the computers and equipment they have in there. I know around here (kentucky) people have stolen far stranger things.
Heck, if I remember correctly, people have even stolen the warning devices and parts from weather sirens in the past.
Also, holy crap, how many wiener dogs do you have??!?!?
Just call 911. You don't need your own personal police force.
So why do people have guns. Just call 911, you don't need your own personal arsenal
Why does the Obama administration wish greater control then? If its good enough for them it should be good enough for everyone. Seriously you don't need armed guards at every stinking government office. The Social Security one I can understand (another order) as they have to deal with irate people (doesn't keep me from being jealous though). This one is still stupid.
They are probably ordering the guns now because they have a secret memo from boss Obama that states that after the November election bullets will be outlawed.
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But on a serious note, I better stock up on bullets now. If this is going to be anything like 2008 there will be another run on the gun stores after the election if Obama wins a second term because everybody has to arm themselves before the evil democrats take away your guns. Took almost 2 years for things to return to normal.
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
I'm sure at least one idiot has tried to break in and steal the computers and equipment they have in there. I know around here (kentucky) people have stolen far stranger things.
Heck, if I remember correctly, people have even stolen the warning devices and parts from weather sirens in the past.
Also, holy crap, how many wiener dogs do you have??!?!?
Just call 911. You don't need your own personal police force.
So why do people have guns. Just call 911, you don't need your own personal arsenal
WHy does the Obama adminkstration wish greater control trhen? If its good enough for them it should be good enough for everyone. Seriously you don't need armed guards at every stinking government office. The Social Security one I can understand (another order) as they have to deal with irate people (doesn't keep me from being jealous though). This one is still stupid.
Oh look, a gun advocate is using a ridiculous absolutist argument. What a shock.
d-usa wrote:They are probably ordering the guns now because they have a secret memo from boss Obama that states that after the November election bullets will be outlawed.
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But on a serious note, I better stock up on bullets now. If this is going to be anything like 2008 there will be another run on the gun stores after the election if Obama wins a second term because everybody has to arm themselves before the evil democrats take away your guns. Took almost 2 years for things to return to normal.
I haven't seen cartridge prices on the rise more than inflation at this point. Having said that I've fully stocked up on magazines, just to be safe.
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AustonT wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:
Frazzled wrote:You need armed security for the Weathermen? Are your predictions that bad? What happened to just calling the police?
I'm sure at least one idiot has tried to break in and steal the computers and equipment they have in there. I know around here (kentucky) people have stolen far stranger things.
Heck, if I remember correctly, people have even stolen the warning devices and parts from weather sirens in the past.
Also, holy crap, how many wiener dogs do you have??!?!?
Just call 911. You don't need your own personal police force.
So why do people have guns. Just call 911, you don't need your own personal arsenal
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also before Frazz gets on infowars again the Social Security Administration posted a PO for bullets today, yes they have cops. No its not a conspiracy.
I can understand the SS office request. (I saw it too). I'm just jealous.
d-usa wrote:They are probably ordering the guns now because they have a secret memo from boss Obama that states that after the November election bullets will be outlawed.
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But on a serious note, I better stock up on bullets now. If this is going to be anything like 2008 there will be another run on the gun stores after the election if Obama wins a second term because everybody has to arm themselves before the evil democrats take away your guns. Took almost 2 years for things to return to normal.
I haven't seen cartridge prices on the rise more than inflation at this point. Having said that I've fully stocked up on magazines, just to be safe.
I don't know that prices went up after the 2008 elections, but it was hard to find certain calibers on the shelf because people were stockpiling them because they knew that Obama was just waiting to send in the military to take away their guns.
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Why does the Obama administration wish greater control then? If its good enough for them it should be good enough for everyone. Seriously you don't need armed guards at every stinking government office. The Social Security one I can understand (another order) as they have to deal with irate people (doesn't keep me from being jealous though). This one is still stupid.
You know as well as I do this was never for "armed guards" at a government office. It was for cops, weird basically unknown cops with a specific mandate to protect fisheries and manatees, but still just cops. For publicities sake they could roll the OLE into the USDAs law enforcement structure and leave those 60 some odd guys in a separate division. These guys were one of the "hundreds" of LEAs rolled into the DHS post-911, thank god the FBI can now count on interdepartmental cooperation from the fish cops.
I digress.
Why is nobody paying attention to the fact that 46,000 rounds is a very small quantity of ammo for such a large organization. While i'm beffudled as to why they would need bullets in the first place, why the heck would they not order more?
GalacticDefender wrote:Why is nobody paying attention to the fact that 46,000 rounds is a very small quantity of ammo for such a large organization. While i'm beffudled as to why they would need bullets in the first place, why the heck would they not order more?
And did they order guns as well? WTFlol
Several people did, it's just some people either didn't see the posts or didn't care. I know people who own 5,000 rounds of various types of ammunition, just because they can get it cheaper by buying it in bulk. Heck, I've probably got at least 2,000 rounds of .22 ammunition in my closet downstairs, and I haven't shot in ages. If they're being serious about training and practicing their aim, that probably won't last very long. Even if they're just for in the field in emergencies, once those rounds are distributed to the various sites, it's not all that much.
Ouze wrote:I like that one as well.
I can't speak for other people, but I live in a rural area with no local police service. As a result my policing and other emergency services come from the county. There have been situations previously where I have had to call 911, and the fastest they ever arrived was about 20 minutes.
While I do not own a gun, I absolutely understand why my neighbors might. I own a taser instead since the person most likely to burglarize my house is known to us, looking for painkillers, and I'd prefer not to kill him if possible.
I can sympathize with this. I live in a small town that is barely worth a dot on the map. Nearest police station is a good 20 minute drive away, and heaven forbid they get stuck behind a tractor or something. Add in that where I live in, some people are heavily addicted to meth (major problem in KY) and they'll do just about anything to get cash for it. My neighbor's house was ransacked just the other day, and she lives just up the road. Given that I live in a nicer house, and it's pretty well known that we have lots of music equipment, I fear it's only a matter of time till we're robbed as well. Add in the fact that we've had people murdered in their own home just a couple blocks over, and you'd realize why I'd rather have a firearm than a tazer.
When you live in an area like this, you realize why we have the 2nd amendment. I know the moment I'm 21 I'm applying for my concealed carry permit for this reason. I already work a lot at late hours in weird areas of town, and live near a crime infested neighborhood. I wish I didn't have to, but to be honest, it would be stupid not to have some measure of protection these days.
At the very least, I'll be safe at my FLGS. We have a prison guard and a local National Guard member who both carry a firearm at all times in a holster on their belt, and know how to use them. It's really funny to watch new players get nervous around them at tournaments
Sorry for all the off topic, but I just had to get that off my chest. And since this thread is probably going to get locked soon, may as well do it now
I can't speak for other people, but I live in a rural area with no local police service.
My city PD is about 2 minutes down the road. To recap: If I had my phone already in hand, called the police, and they magically knew my situation and location and instantly sent out people who did not have delays (Which road? Ah hell, wrong turn.) from that station, it will be two minutes before I get help. It does not take 2 minutes to get yourself beaten into the ICU or dead.
Ain't any practical difference between county and city. If someone decides they're going to screw you up, it'll almost certainly be over before the police arrive. You will, however, be able to have your statement taken or a chalk outline drawn much faster than a county department.
Back on topic though: 46,000 rounds? This was just so they could qualify officers, wasn't it? 50 people in some weekend/3day pistol classes will go through more ammo than that.
