I just had a conversation with my friends about creepy things that happen in video games and it eventually became a talk about really messed up decisions that can be made in video games that will haunt you for the rest of your life.
1. (Mass Effect) Who Lives? Kaden or Ashley? Really. This one will haunt you through two sequels and for those of us who were there 5 years. I honestly can't think of a better example because it literally follows you through the series even after having to figure out which of the two you hated the least and didn't mind letting die when both are viable candidates (/joke).
2. (Knights of the Old Republic) Going dark side in the end. Between all the insane horrible things you can do this one is pretty mess up as far as decisions can go.
3. (Dragon Age: Origins) Killing the Arl's son. I have a friend who jumped right at this. He just killed the kid and we have never let him live it down so this one is a little more personal for him because we still bring up how he killed the child
4. (Skyrim) Killing Parthenax. This one was a huge middle finger to anyone who actually liked both Delphine AND Parthenax (me) and was then forced into a position of having to choose which of them you preferred not dying/kicking you out of their club. Also a mention to the Civil War storyline which is kind of a mind screw between the racists revolutionary and the crumbling imperial power.
5. (Pokemon Red and Blue) Picking Charmander. Cause the first two gyms are gonna make you their , especially the first one.
6. (XCOM: Enemy Unknown) For all those times you sent a soldier forward only to see them get gunned down by over watch fire from an enemy you didn't even know was there. Praise to the Iron Men on this one.
HM (League of Legends). Face checking. Don't do it because your team sure as hell won't let you live it down
GTA 4
Killing Dwayne.
I had already played through the game once before killing 'Playboy X' because you get a neat crib but was annoyed by Dwayne's 'friendship', as he was protrayed as being really clingy and Pathetic. So on my second go i decided to kill him instead.
The mission to kill Playboy X involves an epic firefight and a tense footchase. In contrast the mission to kill Dwayne just feels like a murder. Instead of wasting a dozen armed thugs in a swanky penthouse you blow away a couple of dope fiends in a dingy project crack-house and Dwayne himself who puts up no resistance. Left a really bitter taste.
Skyrim.
Although it's technically the right decision morally, Choosing to Kill Astrid out of the Four in the Abandoned Shack was defo 'Haunting'. IIRC she whispers something like 'You passed, Thank you' as she dies, was actually quite moving. Of course every other playthrough i kill ALL the other three.
Fallout 1. Choosing to reveal the location of your vault. I did it just to see what would happen, and watching super mutants beat down and drop everyone you knew into a vat of toxin was pretty traumatizing for me at my age when I first experienced it.
Since then I don't think I'm capable of playing evil characters in games. I can try, like in KOTOR, but I really hate every minute of it.
While not a big decision, or really much of a decision at all, I had a friend who played morrowind on xbox. Whenever he found a cave with slaves in it, he would kill everyone inside, including the slaves. I asked him what was he doing, and his response was freeing them. Sheesh.
The only thing that really bothered me in a game was putting my controller down in mass effect 3 and missing the prompt to say goodbye to Garrus. The checkpoint before that is like an hour before so I was super disappointed.
I picked Charmander as my very first starter Pokémon, and never looked back. Sure, the first two gyms were tough as nails to beat, but it only made the Pokémon-trainer bond stronger when we finally pulled through!
That, and I just didn't use Charmander against Misty xD.
Dragon Age - my first play through I was a playing as a hardline victory at all costs type, but not evil or overly malicious. So Shale fit my personality pretty well, and she was my enforcer/tank (I was a ranged thief), so of course I had her with me while I fought my way through the lost thaigs and found the Anvil of the Void. Needless to say, I thought golems would be much more useful in containing the blight than dwarven warriors... it didn't end well, and I actually felt bad.
Pretty much every one in Heavy Rain. If you haven't played it (and you own a PS3), seriously, go try it. It's an incredibly powerful game. Some of the decisions you have to make are:
1. Drink a deadly poison, ensuring your own death (but getting 1/5 of an address to save your son)
2. Cut off one of your own fingers, with no tools other than some whiskey, bandages and a hacksaw (with the same consequence as above)
3. Kill a known drug dealer who has a wife and family that love him (same as above)
I don't think I've ever played a game that made me quite as uncomfortable as that one.
I don't think anything I've done in a video game haunts me. Saying that I was a bit miffed at how Skrim, in the Dark Brotherhood quests, makes you go kill a ton of people with no moral justification whatsoever. Don't get me wrong I killed them anyway, they were cluttering my quest list.
In Mass Effect 2, I botched up Tali's loyalty mission so she lost her rank in the fleet. I don't really give a care for her, but then ME:3 rolled around...
I cried.
I'm sorry Legion. I am so sorry. I hope there's a special spot in robot-heaven for you buddy.
There's a quest in World of Warcraft where you return an Undead woman's ring to her husband's grave not because she still loves him, but because she's fed up with him. You get to read his tombstone, and there really isn't anything else to it- but it still gets me every time, like I'm trespassing in a moment I have absolutely no business intruding upon. It's like breaking up with someone's husband for them.
I have never made a decision on a game that has haunted me...
Apart from KoToR 1 and 2 when I found out I didn't kill as many people as I could have done...
Is haunted the same as feel bad about? I think I may have to retract my earlier statement.
The only things that really haunted me in games were the things where you didn't really have a choice. Like in bioshock where you had to kill Andrew Ryan, for example.
@OP: Maybe you want to stick *possible spoilers* in your thread title.
I can't think of many decisions that haunt me mostly because I'll just replay the game and maybe try the other option... or sometimes I'm just so sure of the option I've picked (Ex: Kaiden will always... ALWAYS... die if I'm playing Mass Effect 1).
EDIT: You know what I take that back about not being able to think of haunting decisions. The decisions at the end of Bastion felt eerie to me in someway; no matter which one I chose. For some reason, it felt like no one 'won' or 'lost'... it just felt surreal.
In Mass Effect 1 the choice between Kaiden and Ashley, at that time they were my 2 favorite characters in the game (I didnt feel Garrus became awsome until 2) so it was a hard hitting decision.
I did go with Ashley and it was actually a no brainer decision but one of those "damn it"
In the Walking Dead EP.3 not being able to save the first character who dies in that episode. (Followed by letting that bastard join my group in EP.2, If I had any idea what would happen I would have called the zombies to his attention at the start)
I cant think of anything else but if I do Ill post it
I think my signature makes it apparent what video game descision "haunted" me the most. Having to choose between two entire races/awesome characters. When Tali stabbed legion, and he asked "Does this unit have a soul?" as he died, I literally paused the game to think about what I had done .
In my first play through of Mass Effect 3 with Wrex still alive
Though I did it in a heart beat, the argument with Moridin when I told him he couldnt cure the Genophage, he attempted to call my bluff and turn his back to me... except I wasnt bluffing and I would do whatever it took to stop the Krogan from being cured... god it was hard putting a round into his back.
My second play though I had killed Wrex so I was able to convince him to not do it.
I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
Dr H wrote: I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
Dr H wrote: I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
I didn't... feel like is deserved it.
You heartless murderer you...
Didn't mean I didn't enjoy the hunt as well as the rest of those quests...
Dr H wrote: I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
I didn't... feel like is deserved it.
You heartless murderer you...
Didn't mean I didn't enjoy the hunt as well as the rest of those quests...
I don't usually regret killing people in games. More often than not it's funny.
Dr H wrote: I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
I didn't... feel like is deserved it.
You heartless murderer you...
Didn't mean I didn't enjoy the hunt as well as the rest of those quests...
I don't usually regret killing people in games. More often than not it's funny.
Ditto. Especially when rag doll physics and dismemberment is involved.
Dr H wrote: I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
I didn't... feel like is deserved it.
You heartless murderer you...
Didn't mean I didn't enjoy the hunt as well as the rest of those quests...
I don't usually regret killing people in games. More often than not it's funny.
No, I don't either. I manage to remember that it is a game and what you do doesn't really matter / was what you were meant to do anyway. And yeah, often funny.
Oh, just thought of the end of Far Cry 2. Where you have a choice to take the briefcase with the diamonds and a handgun or climb the mountain and blow yourself up. That was quite a dark moment.
I never connected with Kaiden in ME1, partly because he was a Sentinel and they were completely useless at that time in ME history, but mostly because he lacked personality. As a result I chose him to die in every single game I played, Paragon or Renegade, Male Shep or Fem Shep. He was the one to die every time and I don't regret it.
The decision that haunted me most was in Mass Effect 2, taking a Renegade stance with EDI for the sake of a 100% Renegade playthrough. She is one of my most loved characters in the series and I will always regret alienating her during that game. I cannot recall the exact lines, but from what i remember after you dress her down during the Suicide Mission Briefing, she tells you that she assumed there was a mutual respect between you, and that she was wrong. That line hurt, and I have never made that choice in any playthrough since, even renegade.
Dr H wrote: I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
I always kill her last, i like the idea of her knowing that all her children are dead.
I always found that, as long as it does something (Or kills a lot of people) I'm never usually troubled by self-sacrifice in games.
Suicide when someone can still live does kinda disturb me somewhat... unless it's funny
Dr H wrote: I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
I always kill her last, i like the idea of her knowing that all her children are dead.
Lol. I always thought "well, while I'm here". I'm efficient like that...
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purplefood wrote: I always found that, as long as it does something (Or kills a lot of people) I'm never usually troubled by self-sacrifice in games.
Suicide when someone can still live does kinda disturb me somewhat... unless it's funny
It is for a good cause, but there's nowt funny about the end of Far Cry 2.
The Diamonds are to pay for refugees to cross the border and the handgun is for yourself afterwards, and the explosion up the mountain is to seal a valley to stop an army from recapturing the refugees.
The explosives can only be set off by hand and hence suicide and you can trust the other man to do the deed.
Or
You can take the briefcase, the other man blows himself up. Once the diamonds are handed over the screen fades to black and you hear a gunshot.
It's left up to you if you believe that you or him actually killed themselves.
The Diamonds are to pay for refugees to cross the border and the handgun is for yourself afterwards, and the explosion up the mountain is to seal a valley to stop an army from recapturing the refugees.
The explosives can only be set off by hand and hence suicide and you can trust the other man to do the deed.
Or
You can take the briefcase, the other man blows himself up. Once the diamonds are handed over the screen fades to black and you hear a gunshot.
It's left up to you if you believe that you or him actually killed themselves.
That's silly...why do you have to kill yourself? Sense this does not make.
The Diamonds are to pay for refugees to cross the border and the handgun is for yourself afterwards, and the explosion up the mountain is to seal a valley to stop an army from recapturing the refugees.
The explosives can only be set off by hand and hence suicide and you can trust the other man to do the deed.
Or
You can take the briefcase, the other man blows himself up. Once the diamonds are handed over the screen fades to black and you hear a gunshot.
It's left up to you if you believe that you or him actually killed themselves.
That's silly...why do you have to kill yourself? Sense this does not make.
It's all in the build up in the story. Difficult to explain as I haven't played it through to the end for ages. You're not meant to be able to live with yourself after what you have seen and done during the timeframe of the game.
5. (Pokemon Red and Blue) Picking Charmander. Cause the first two gyms are gonna make you their , especially the first one.
Charmander was actually the best choice. The 1st gym is easy (and you can skip the 2nd for a little while as I recall), because although they resist fire, it doesn't really matter since they lack magic defense. A huge benefit of going with Charmander is that you cross Viridian Forest early on and it's super easy training. Charmander ends up being very strong for most of the game with his good power, speed, fire attacks, and slash. You can play start to finish just using Charmander for battles with no power leveling. Bulbasaur is actually the worst choice by far. The game is full of bug/plant/poison types and one of the last places you go to is nothing but fire. Bulbasaur is pretty useless for most of the game.
Farcry 2, having to kill your best friends. Its the choice of you taking the moral high ground, or giving up and letting them all walk into the sunset to buy speedboats, or whatever. =/
Oh, and I only ever played through that game to the end once. The ending was just too haunting (though I had just watched Hotel Rwanda).
On Mass Effect. The choices I've made with that series haven't really impacted me to make me regret them. I've only ever played through the series as a paragon, thus the things that leave me feeling sad are out of my control. I would say though that Anderson's ending was something I thought about. That the only way to save him is to make the wrong decisions (people die all over the place, but this time they're people that cared and trusted you). That if you play the game as the perfect hero your friend dies, Bioware again saying "not everyone can be saved". ^^ Play the series choosing paragon every time, the third game is ridiculously emotional. My friend played it as a pure renegade and said that "you've already done so much bad stuff, seeing it happen to others by that point really doesn't phase you".
Anyhow, my point. The final choice you get. Despite playing that game as a complete paragon, I chose the "renegade" option. It shook me up as I'm still not sure over Bioware's handling of that last bit. Not so much over the resulting actions (killing the Reapers all the way), but that the paragon and renegade characters are reversed. That Anderson tells you to choose the renegade option, and The Illusive Man the Paragon one. Was the Red option really the Renegade one? Is saving the universe, but turning everyone into the things they hate really the good thing to do? I think Bioware was saying that in the end, everything has to be done for the greater good and all (thus Shepard being killed in the end. ...Bar in the Renegade ending).
Deus Ex: Human Revolution. That all of the endings are so well put across. Whichever one you take Jensen sells it to you as being the right choice. That in the end he has to sell the decision he has to make to himself as he really doesn't want to choose any of them. I played through the three big red shiny button ones before realizing that they were all false ones, valid options, but none of them were the right choice. A sad ending choosing not to pick any of them, but it seemed to have the least philosophical ramifications. Its the question of whether the world ends up the way it is in later descions because of the choice you made, or whether it would be a different place if one of the other ones were taken is a bit of a peeve.
Wyrmalla wrote: Farcry 2, having to kill your best friends. Its the choice of you taking the moral high ground, or giving up and letting them all walk into the sunset to buy speedboats, or whatever. =/
Oh, and I only ever played through that game to the end once. The ending was just too haunting (though I had just watched Hotel Rwanda).
On Mass Effect. The choices I've made with that series haven't really impacted me to make me regret them. I've only ever played through the series as a paragon, thus the things that leave me feeling sad are out of my control. I would say though that Anderson's ending was something I thought about. That the only way to save him is to make the wrong decisions (people die all over the place, but this time they're people that cared and trusted you). That if you play the game as the perfect hero your friend dies, Bioware again saying "not everyone can be saved". ^^ Play the series choosing paragon every time, the third game is ridiculously emotional. My friend played it as a pure renegade and said that "you've already done so much bad stuff, seeing it happen to others by that point really doesn't phase you".
Anyhow, my point. The final choice you get. Despite playing that game as a complete paragon, I chose the "renegade" option. It shook me up as I'm still not sure over Bioware's handling of that last bit. Not so much over the resulting actions (killing the Reapers all the way), but that the paragon and renegade characters are reversed. That Anderson tells you to choose the renegade option, and The Illusive Man the Paragon one. Was the Red option really the Renegade one? Is saving the universe, but turning everyone into the things they hate really the good thing to do? I think Bioware was saying that in the end, everything has to be done for the greater good and all (thus Shepard being killed in the end. ...Bar in the Renegade ending).
Deus Ex: Human Revolution. That all of the endings are so well put across. Whichever one you take Jensen sells it to you as being the right choice. That in the end he has to sell the decision he has to make to himself as he really doesn't want to choose any of them. I played through the three big red shiny button ones before realizing that they were all false ones, valid options, but none of them were the right choice. A sad ending choosing not to pick any of them, but it seemed to have the least philosophical ramifications. Its the question of whether the world ends up the way it is in later descions because of the choice you made, or whether it would be a different place if one of the other ones were taken is a bit of a peeve.
Thats not the "Renegade" option. In fact I would argue its the Paragon option.
Renegade would be to take control of a race and dominate it to your own will (Blue/control ending)
Paragorn is to kill these beings in a desperate act of self defense.
Dont get bogged down with the colors, the colors are simply there to make clear distinctions between each other and nothing more. None of the three actually represent things on the Paragorn/Renegade scale. (In fact, I got the impression most renegade players would pick control and most paragorn pick destroy)
Dr H wrote: I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.
You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.
Kind of a similar one in the same game, the Dark Brotherhood quest where you have to infiltrate a sort of party where everyone there is searching for a treasure. But what nobody else realizes is that you're there to kill everyone else in the house. As you pick them off, one by one, the others start getting angrier and more defensive, trying to figure out who's committing the murders. Then you get to the last one, and if you talk to the person, s/he just looks at you and goes, "Well...I guess that means you're the murderer, then." No anger, no hatred, no fear, just feeling resigned to their fate.
Locclo wrote:
Kind of a similar one in the same game, the Dark Brotherhood quest where you have to infiltrate a sort of party where everyone there is searching for a treasure. But what nobody else realizes is that you're there to kill everyone else in the house. As you pick them off, one by one, the others start getting angrier and more defensive, trying to figure out who's committing the murders. Then you get to the last one, and if you talk to the person, s/he just looks at you and goes, "Well...I guess that means you're the murderer, then." No anger, no hatred, no fear, just feeling resigned to their fate.
purplefood wrote:That one was funnier than the other one.
You could get them to kill each other.
Yeah, the locked house quest was a good one. You can play that in a few different ways, depending on the order that you kill them in, each one of them reacts differently as the last standing (some are resigned, some are agressive, some are petrified). You can keep them all relatively calm throughout or keep them all scared out of their wits...or you could just start swinging in a crowded room and chase the survivors around the house like a crazed axe-man (don't get the bonus for that though).
It's funny, that when people start dying, noone suspects the fully armed and armoured guest even a little.
thenoobbomb wrote:Lucian Lachence getting killed and castrated is still a horrible view.
Oh yeah, gruesome. but not entirely your fault, just too late.
djphranq wrote: @OP: Maybe you want to stick *possible spoilers* in your thread title.
All those games have been out for a least a year (Save XCOM but there's no spoilers there). If someone hasn't played them yet, the real question isn't why don't I have spoiler tags but rather wtf have some people been doing
It's funny, that when people start dying, noone suspects the fully armed and armoured guest even a little.
No one ever suspects the guy with the Blood Splattered Daedric Warhammer strapped to his back that bribed everyone when he first walked in. He gave you money, so he must not be the killer.
Whenever I did that quest, I would roll a d6 to see who I killed first and would try to pit them against one another.
5. (Pokemon Red and Blue) Picking Charmander. Cause the first two gyms are gonna make you their , especially the first one.
Charmander was actually the best choice. The 1st gym is easy (and you can skip the 2nd for a little while as I recall), because although they resist fire, it doesn't really matter since they lack magic defense. A huge benefit of going with Charmander is that you cross Viridian Forest early on and it's super easy training. Charmander ends up being very strong for most of the game with his good power, speed, fire attacks, and slash. You can play start to finish just using Charmander for battles with no power leveling. Bulbasaur is actually the worst choice by far. The game is full of bug/plant/poison types and one of the last places you go to is nothing but fire. Bulbasaur is pretty useless for most of the game.
Red and Blue had no special defense. There was just defense and in the original 150 back then Onix has one of the highest defense stats. Given that the only types you could gain access to early on were bug, normal, flying, and electric (and most of the attacks you had were normal type as well) the first Gym is very difficult to do as someone who picked Charmander without power leveling. The easiest solution was to train up a Butterfree who learned confusion at 10 for a neutral attack typing verses the Geodude's and Onix is Brock's team.
Misty is less difficult only because you can easily gain access to Oddish and Bellsprout in that area but those are pretty bad pokemon and I was never a fan of taking pokemon and training them when I was just going to dump them later on.
Bulbasaur was actually one of the best for the Gen 1 games (new attacks have brought him down) because for the gyms Bulbasaur can solo the first 3 easily and only 2 gyms present types that can defeat Bulbasaurs line (Sabrina and Blaine). Venasaur was also one of the only decent grass type in all of gen 1 along with Exeggutor). The rest were all trash. What you say is true of Fire Red and Leaf Green.
Fallout 3: First time I played I was really getting into the campaign. I return to Megaton and go into the bar, at which point I accidently pick up a fork. As this was considered stealing by the townsfolk they proceed to gun me down. Seeing as the game auto-saved when I left the bar, I would respawn in front of the people just to be gunned down again in an ongoing loop. Had to start a whole new campaign because of it.
Not a decision as such, but Mass Effect 3 when you are with Thane at the end, after you are told the prayer was for you, brings a tear to my eye....
Valkyrie wrote: Fallout 3: First time I played I was really getting into the campaign. I return to Megaton and go into the bar, at which point I accidently pick up a fork. As this was considered stealing by the townsfolk they proceed to gun me down. Seeing as the game auto-saved when I left the bar, I would respawn in front of the people just to be gunned down again in an ongoing loop. Had to start a whole new campaign because of it.
Hehe, been there my friend. Also tried to fix the bomb and cocked it up, thereby destroying Megaton by accident.....more annoying? I had planned on doing it anyway, but being not being there when it happened!
Only a few spring to mind as I try to play games as "morally" and carefully as possible.
Skyrim: Having to kill that imperial officer during the DB quest-line. Seeing him say goodbye to his family and him saying "ill be fine" knowing you are going to have to kill him.
Skyrim: Killing Pathunax. I only resolved to do this so I was sure I had the loyalty of the blades on my side. I kept thinking why cant you just lie to them and SAY you killed Pathunax? Its not like they can go up to the throat of the world and check.
Fallout New Vegas: Letting chief Hanlon kill himself. This annoys me no end because all the other endings I got were largely positive. How was I supposed to know he would react so badly to me alerting the authorities? His false reports were getting lots of soldiers killed.
Don't really think I had any "haunting" decisions. Fair enough theres a few choices I wish I didn't have to make.
Oh wait there is one.... helping Kirrahe in ME1. Pretty much because I didn't help with a few things Thane ended up dying. That has somewhat haunted me.
Fable is a nice example, kill Whisper for 10k gold? Yes please. I hated how she taunted me as a kid. Was even better we I killed Thunder haha.
johnscott10 wrote: Don't really think I had any "haunting" decisions. Fair enough theres a few choices I wish I didn't have to make.
Oh wait there is one.... helping Kirrahe in ME1. Pretty much because I didn't help with a few things Thane ended up dying. That has somewhat haunted me.
Fable is a nice example, kill Whisper for 10k gold? Yes please. I hated how she taunted me as a kid. Was even better we I killed Thunder haha.
johnscott10 wrote: Don't really think I had any "haunting" decisions. Fair enough theres a few choices I wish I didn't have to make.
Oh wait there is one.... helping Kirrahe in ME1. Pretty much because I didn't help with a few things Thane ended up dying. That has somewhat haunted me.
Fable is a nice example, kill Whisper for 10k gold? Yes please. I hated how she taunted me as a kid. Was even better we I killed Thunder haha.
Whisper deserved to die >> id have killed her for free dammit
Hmmm id say more so Cataclysm and RogueSurvivor than any "normal" game have that kind of effect on me, at least if its been a long run. Early Cataclysm had my dog becoming a thing monster, had to put him down T_T damn i miss that mutt. Same for roguesurvivor before they introduced insanity, holding out in a basement with a companion, low on food. Had to gun her down and eat her. I had waited till the food was gone, went on scavanging runs and couldnt find supplies...i was starving dammit
Valkyrie wrote: Fallout 3: First time I played I was really getting into the campaign. I return to Megaton and go into the bar, at which point I accidently pick up a fork. As this was considered stealing by the townsfolk they proceed to gun me down. Seeing as the game auto-saved when I left the bar, I would respawn in front of the people just to be gunned down again in an ongoing loop. Had to start a whole new campaign because of it.
The stealing system in those games always bugged the hell out of me. Steal a fork from someone's bar? You are hereby sentenced to death. There's no balance between stealing, say, something small and ripping off someone's house. It's just, if you steal, you're getting shot to death.
Then the Elder Scrolls games have a different problem, in that no matter what you steal, apparently every merchant knows that it's stolen. I mean, I think it's a cool idea that you can only sell stolen goods to fences, but it makes no sense that I can't steal a book from one town, fast travel to the opposite end of the map, and sell it there unless I'm doing it with a fence.
Although for that matter, Elder Scrolls had sort of the opposite problem as Fallout, in that any crime you commit, no matter how heinous, means jail time if you surrender, or just paying off the fine if you can afford it. Slaughtered half the population of the Imperial City? Well, throw a few gold coins (I know, more than a "few" ) at the guards and you can whistle a merry tune as you walk out of jail.
I generally take a path that I find morally acceptable. It's rare that I'll have a game character do something that I wouldn't. Yesterday in Skyrim I helped a Thalmar agent in Skyrim uncover a Talos worshipper. That man was going to get killed. I felt bad about it, even though the gold reward was pretty good.
Spiderman: Web of Shadows. I picked the red costume ending, which ended me up with Mary Jane in the end instead of the Black Cat. I usually prefer redheads over every other kind of girl...but Black Cat is better (sexier) than Mary Jane. Redhead in jeans and a t-shirt or blonde (white) haired girl with full cleavage showing and the tightest leather that shows off her camel toe and lack of panties? Yeah...it's not really a contest here...
Imaginos wrote:I regretted my decision on my "evil" play through of Fallout 3 to blow up Megaton. It was impressive, but I regretted it.
It's something you just HAVE to do though.
On my second play through that was right near the top of my "to do" list, although I made sure I did Moira's quests first...
I did feel sorry for Moira though, I liked her.
djones520 wrote:I generally take a path that I find morally acceptable. It's rare that I'll have a game character do something that I wouldn't. Yesterday in Skyrim I helped a Thalmar agent in Skyrim uncover a Talos worshipper. That man was going to get killed. I felt bad about it, even though the gold reward was pretty good.
However I'm playing Skyrim (whatever side I take...) I usually make a point of killing any Thalmor I come across, after a while you don't get a choice as they will attack you on sight...can't imagine why...
Whenever I play a good/bad computer game, the first playthrough I always try to keep my character in the grey area in the middle. Do a little good (rescue a damsel in distress) and then do a little bad to balance it (robbing the poor defenceless damsel). The second playthrough is usually Very EVIL. After that I'll probably do a good character.
I knew Joker was a bit off the rails to begin with but holy crap is he onto a whole new level in Arkham Asylum. Also annoying how it killed my FPS at a certain part. Good game so far though.
I was playing L4D2 Hard Rain on expert the finale with my brother. We had to restart many times due to the tank spawing at the end (during when the rescue boat arrives, that makes 3 tanks during the whole finale).
One of my friends join the game. He is a great player and with his help we finally get a lucky break with the last tank when it spawns away from the boat. My brother pushes me to make a rush to the boat (it's 20 meters from the diner roof, but the commons make it really difficult).
Me and and my brother make to the boat but my friend is slightly lagging behind, propably because he was covering for us. I pull the trigger. The boat leaves. I get an achievement.
There could have been many ways for my friend to die. Smoker choking him, commons beating him up, tank throwing a rock... but I know he could have made it safe.
Skyrim - Didn't see Lydia following me. Oh well, she's probably off trying to find a way to follow me as she usually does.
No.
She was dead
She was dead BECAUSE OF ME.
And I didn't save her.
I can never forgive myself. I'm still in mourning.
The CF wrote: Skyrim - Didn't see Lydia following me. Oh well, she's probably off trying to find a way to follow me as she usually does.
No.
She was dead
She was dead BECAUSE OF ME.
And I didn't save her.
I can never forgive myself. I'm still in mourning.
What really? That one has on several occations almost made me have a seisure. But aye I can see the issue with this
My biggest haunting decsions was at the end of Farcry 2&3, both left me rather in turmoil. Damnit why dose doing the rigth thing have to be so bloody harrowing.
The CF wrote: Skyrim - Didn't see Lydia following me. Oh well, she's probably off trying to find a way to follow me as she usually does.
No.
She was dead
She was dead BECAUSE OF ME.
And I didn't save her.
I can never forgive myself. I'm still in mourning.
That just happened to me.
I didn't realize she was dead until much later, and I didn't really know where she had died. It haunts me because I had her weilding Dawnbreaker.
The CF wrote: Skyrim - Didn't see Lydia following me. Oh well, she's probably off trying to find a way to follow me as she usually does.
No.
She was dead
She was dead BECAUSE OF ME.
And I didn't save her.
I can never forgive myself. I'm still in mourning.
I'm fairly sure I sacrificed Lydia to one of the Daedric gods...
I somehow managed to loose shaddowmere, more annoying than haunting cause I know she isn't dead. I have absolutely no idea where to look though, I think it must have been a bug when I tested using arvak.
Jedi Knight. Turning Dark Side. Immediately regretted it the moment it happened. There they are, holding Jan hostage, and rather than joining them to save her life you kill her yourself and then go after them.
The first Otis in Half-Life: Opposing Force. Guy's been with me for a while, and his Deagle is causing all sorts of damage. I reach a part where he can't follow me, so I hit in the head with a pipe-wrench and steal his gun. Why did I use the pipe-wrench? So I wouldn't waste pistol ammo. I felt bad afterwards.
The CF wrote: Skyrim - Didn't see Lydia following me. Oh well, she's probably off trying to find a way to follow me as she usually does.
No.
She was dead
She was dead BECAUSE OF ME.
And I didn't save her.
I can never forgive myself. I'm still in mourning.
I'm fairly sure I sacrificed Lydia to one of the Daedric gods...
I Fus Ro Dah'd her off a cliff once. To this day, I still could not find where she landed.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I killed Lydia by accident a couple of times. Always reloaded. I will not let her die.
I try, but last night I caved after having her die 3 times in the boss room of Volskygge. After leaving her there and walking out I was confronted by a Dragon Priest who proceeded to bend me over a few times. She would have died anyway. Now to get promoted to Thane in another hold...
The CF wrote: Skyrim - Didn't see Lydia following me. Oh well, she's probably off trying to find a way to follow me as she usually does.
No.
She was dead
She was dead BECAUSE OF ME.
And I didn't save her.
I can never forgive myself. I'm still in mourning.
I once found lydia in a crumpled heap with 3 ice spikes in her crotch surrounded by dead Falmer. I will never know what happened but all i know is that she did not die well.
Especially funny considering it was at the opposite end of the dungeon level and i was certain Followers could only die by the PC's hand.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I killed Lydia by accident a couple of times. Always reloaded. I will not let her die.
This is why I despise NPC's in Skyrim (And generally)
They are constantly running in front of you when you're fighting and you end up slicing them to pieces...
I got sick of friends on that game. I'd sneak round on the game, taking out people with my bow - well, I say take them out...more sort of shoot them as my stupid helper has alerted every man, woman, dog and on one occasion a really fiesty fox to our presence, launched him/herself into a fight they cannot possibly win, and now I have to keep them alive...again.
Lydia died so often and I got so sick of saving her I left her at home.
With myol the lioness. or whatever her name was (I got married). I haven't upgraded my house, so now the pair of them sit in an empty room and stair at the walls while I go and finish quests.
But they pale in comparison to the annoying little basket who follows you when you are arena grand champion on Oblivion. I tried leaving him in silly places. I made him tread water for a week in a pond. In the end, I asked him to wait while we were in oblivion.
And then closed all the gates.
PredaKhaine wrote: I got sick of friends on that game. I'd sneak round on the game, taking out people with my bow - well, I say take them out...more sort of shoot them as my stupid helper has alerted every man, woman, dog and on one occasion a really fiesty fox to our presence, launched him/herself into a fight they cannot possibly win, and now I have to keep them alive...again.
Lydia died so often and I got so sick of saving her I left her at home.
With myol the lioness. or whatever her name was (I got married). I haven't upgraded my house, so now the pair of them sit in an empty room and stair at the walls while I go and finish quests.
But they pale in comparison to the annoying little basket who follows you when you are arena grand champion on Oblivion. I tried leaving him in silly places. I made him tread water for a week in a pond. In the end, I asked him to wait while we were in oblivion.
And then closed all the gates.
You should have just shot him. Preferably off a cliff with a weapon that has strong knock-back.
But they pale in comparison to the annoying little basket who follows you when you are arena grand champion on Oblivion. I tried leaving him in silly places. I made him tread water for a week in a pond. In the end, I asked him to wait while we were in oblivion.
And then closed all the gates.
I regret killing Legate Rikke. Whilst it was unavoidable due to her decision to fight against Stormcloak rule, I can't help but feel sorry that she could not be made to see reason.
That said, on my Empire character, I most certainly do not regret beheading Galmar at the very start of the fight against him and Ulfric, with my very first swing. It flew off and landed in one of the bowls on the table in the middle of the throne room.
No matter what way I do, I always feel like I did the wrong thing.
Since I'm roleplaying as a Thalmor, I killed the Aliker and then killed the redguard wife too.
Never have any of the two remain.
Never.
But aye, I sacrificed Lydia to the Daedra Gods too.
Sheogorath actually. With a sweetroll.
No matter what way I do, I always feel like I did the wrong thing.
Since I'm roleplaying as a Thalmor, I killed the Aliker and then killed the redguard wife too.
Never have any of the two remain.
Never.
But aye, I sacrificed Lydia to the Daedra Gods too.
Sheogorath actually. With a sweetroll.
No matter what way I do, I always feel like I did the wrong thing.
Since I'm roleplaying as a Thalmor, I killed the Aliker and then killed the redguard wife too.
Never have any of the two remain.
Never.
But aye, I sacrificed Lydia to the Daedra Gods too.
Sheogorath actually. With a sweetroll.
Wabbajack?
No.
A very special weapon called a 'follower'
Automatically Appended Next Post: I also threw around cabbages.
No matter what way I do, I always feel like I did the wrong thing.
Since I'm roleplaying as a Thalmor, I killed the Aliker and then killed the redguard wife too.
Never have any of the two remain.
Never.
But aye, I sacrificed Lydia to the Daedra Gods too.
Sheogorath actually. With a sweetroll.
Wabbajack?
No.
A very special weapon called a 'follower'
Automatically Appended Next Post: I also threw around cabbages.
How did you turn Lydia into a sweetroll to give to Sheogorath then?
The thing is, she'd often wander away only to be back 20 minutes later, so I wasn't too worried. Until about 30 minutes later, when she still hadn't come back.
I'd always reload to let her live. But it was too late, my savefiles from before her death were overwritten. I felt so stupid.
I spent an hour dragging her around to find her a proper resting place for her final rest.
I was really quite attached to her.
I went home on skyrim. There was a man in the house, talking to my gamewife (Myoll the lioness). I butchered him in the alchemy cupboard, but the wife found him (no Idea how - it not like she tidies up or anything) and for some strange reason, wouldn't talk to me. I re-loaded my save. He is going to die again. Any suggestions? - Be as evil/inventive as possible - He's getting right on my nerves. He's ALWAYS in my house.
But back on topic - does anyone ever feel bad for killing tramps/randoms etc while you wander round on skyrim?
I'm not being haunted by major characters deaths, but the little people I've stepped on.
For example
I met a man outside a cave. He had a gammy leg and said his cave had been invaded by spiders. I killed the spiders. Then he only gave me about 5p for my trouble. To amuse myself, I wore his clothes on the way home.
Spoiler:
I actually do feel slightly bad for beheading him, but it serves him right for being tight/skint.
PredaKhaine wrote: I went home on skyrim. There was a man in the house, talking to my gamewife (Myoll the lioness). I butchered him in the alchemy cupboard, but the wife found him (no Idea how - it not like she tidies up or anything) and for some strange reason, wouldn't talk to me. I re-loaded my save. He is going to die again. Any suggestions? - Be as evil/inventive as possible - He's getting right on my nerves. He's ALWAYS in my house.
This is Aerin who you should remember as Mjoll's ever faithful companion from Riften (he saved her life) and is always with her. No matter where Mjoll goes he follows be it to your house or even to the Blades should you recruit Mjoll as a member (he dies insanely fast cause he'll follow her to a dragon fight has no armor and level caps at 10). As far as I know there's no way to be rid of him. Might be a mod for it idk.
PredaKhaine wrote: I went home on skyrim. There was a man in the house, talking to my gamewife (Myoll the lioness). I butchered him in the alchemy cupboard, but the wife found him (no Idea how - it not like she tidies up or anything) and for some strange reason, wouldn't talk to me. I re-loaded my save. He is going to die again. Any suggestions? - Be as evil/inventive as possible - He's getting right on my nerves. He's ALWAYS in my house.
But back on topic - does anyone ever feel bad for killing tramps/randoms etc while you wander round on skyrim?
I'm not being haunted by major characters deaths, but the little people I've stepped on.
For example
I met a man outside a cave. He had a gammy leg and said his cave had been invaded by spiders. I killed the spiders. Then he only gave me about 5p for my trouble. To amuse myself, I wore his clothes on the way home.
Spoiler:
I actually do feel slightly bad for beheading him, but it serves him right for being tight/skint.
That man is a close personal friend of Mjoll. He saved her life. I'm pretty sure he makes his way back to Riften once a day. If you follow him (don't take Mjoll with you) and wait until you're well clear of Whiterun and then you can kill him in the wilderness and she never finds out. I'm sure that's what I did when I married Mjoll.
As for little people, I do feel bad about killing them so I tend not to. I'll pick their pockets instead, they should feel lucky to be alive. And if they have a key to a house, I'll find the house and clear it out (you can find some interesting things like that).
Going back to the Lydia thing. I never got that attached to her. Her job is to defend my home and the tons of stuff I have collected there. I usually take Aranea Ienith as a follower as she casts spells and so stays out my way and I don't kill her by accident.
The main trouble I find with followers is them stepping on traps just as you are half way through them. I spend a great deal of time leading them carefully around pressure plates etc...
The worst follwer I had was Illia. She was fine until I did the companions quest and she automatically left my service. She then proceeded to wander off and get lost with all the stuff I had her carrying. I eventually found her (days later) swimming in a lake in the middle of nowhere. I retrieved her, took all my stuff back and killed her for stealing my stuff.
I then felt bad about killing her and laid her out next to the lake on the grass as if she was sunbathing. I came across her later on and thought to myself "maybe I shouldn't have killed her".
The one that haunts me at the moment is probably because I have just started playing ME3 and Ash is such a hotty.
So I feel like a real heel having bedded Miranda in ME2 when Ash just wouldn't talk to me. Bet that's going to bite me in the ass any time now!
P.S. Galdos, I got through with Thane alive in ME2 most times I played, just make sure you completed his loyalty mission and then it depends on who you choose to do what.
Conrad Turner wrote: The one that haunts me at the moment is probably because I have just started playing ME3 and Ash is such a hotty.
So I feel like a real heel having bedded Miranda in ME2 when Ash just wouldn't talk to me. Bet that's going to bite me in the ass any time now!
P.S. Galdos, I got through with Thane alive in ME2 most times I played, just make sure you completed his loyalty mission and then it depends on who you choose to do what.
Oh.... um. Finish the game and reply back to me later...
Ya I never lost Thane in ME2, I dont suffer any casulties in ME2, its kind of easy to do. Like you said, just do the loyalty missions and use common sense.
I was loyal to Ashley in my playthrough so I never had an issue (much to the confusion of my friends. They couldnt understand why i wouldnt sleep with Miranda/Tali) It all depends on what you say to her. In my playthrough she immediately replied apologizing for how aggressive she was on Horizon and said she wish me the best.
Allowing the Geth to live in Mass Effect 3... I thought what I was choosing would be a harmonious choice, netting me more people for my fight against the reapers...
Alfndrate wrote: Allowing the Geth to live in Mass Effect 3... I thought what I was choosing would be a harmonious choice, netting me more people for my fight against the reapers...
I'm still haunted by that choice :( I cried...
My friend had this happened to him also. I was so confused, I was able to convince them to work together and I was talking with him about it and he was like "Ya I lost all of the Qurians... I fethed up"
LordofHats wrote: I just had a conversation with my friends about creepy things that happen in video games and it eventually became a talk about really messed up decisions that can be made in video games that will haunt you for the rest of your life.
1. (Mass Effect) Who Lives? Kaden or Ashley? Really. This one will haunt you through two sequels and for those of us who were there 5 years. I honestly can't think of a better example because it literally follows you through the series even after having to figure out which of the two you hated the least and didn't mind letting die when both are viable candidates (/joke).
2. (Knights of the Old Republic) Going dark side in the end. Between all the insane horrible things you can do this one is pretty mess up as far as decisions can go.
3. (Dragon Age: Origins) Killing the Arl's son. I have a friend who jumped right at this. He just killed the kid and we have never let him live it down so this one is a little more personal for him because we still bring up how he killed the child
4. (Skyrim) Killing Parthenax. This one was a huge middle finger to anyone who actually liked both Delphine AND Parthenax (me) and was then forced into a position of having to choose which of them you preferred not dying/kicking you out of their club. Also a mention to the Civil War storyline which is kind of a mind screw between the racists revolutionary and the crumbling imperial power.
5. (Pokemon Red and Blue) Picking Charmander. Cause the first two gyms are gonna make you their , especially the first one.
6. (XCOM: Enemy Unknown) For all those times you sent a soldier forward only to see them get gunned down by over watch fire from an enemy you didn't even know was there. Praise to the Iron Men on this one.
HM (League of Legends). Face checking. Don't do it because your team sure as hell won't let you live it down
Who else has some?
I find your missing of the that infamous scene in Specs Ops the line when you...
Spoiler:
You kill 47 people with white phosphorous still haunts me to this day D:
Alfndrate wrote: Allowing the Geth to live in Mass Effect 3... I thought what I was choosing would be a harmonious choice, netting me more people for my fight against the reapers...
I'm still haunted by that choice :( I cried...
My friend had this happened to him also. I was so confused, I was able to convince them to work together and I was talking with him about it and he was like "Ya I lost all of the Qurians... I fethed up"
Oh well lol, Im glad I never made that mistake
My playthrough happened the other way round. I lost the Geth and saved the Quarians. I think it was down to not having had a high enough enough paragon rating to have used the paragon option after both their loyalty missions back in ME2. Other than that, I think I did pretty well. I got back with Ash, had something happen with Liara, and saved just about everyone else. Still consider it a major failure not to have brought peace to all the races before the end though.
Now I can't wait to go through again with some of my other characters and try some different choices.
, especially the first one.
.
