http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2013/01/to-hell-with-your-fluff.html

To hell with your fluff, tell me a story with your miniatures.
Let’s face it, fluff is huge part of the draw to a game and should not be underestimated; when it comes time to play a game, what is more important the fluff or the visually striking miniatures that grace the gaming table.
There is only so much you can do with a base box set of miniatures before they start looking homogeneous. I love making special characters, miniatures that represent a scene or action, miniatures that tell a story through their pose or actions.
With this in mind I created the Stormtrooper accessory set. This kit contains a massive number of parts, packs, pouches, accessories, heads, arms, hands and equipment so that you can tell your personal story and unlock your creative genius.



Here are just a few examples of what can be done. Granted I will not win any modeling or hobby awards with what is featured here, my lack of cleanup and exuberant use of glue keep these from being show pieces, but this shows what can be achieved in just a few hours with only a moderate level of care.
Each of these custom figures used the arms, and hands from the accessory set to create unique figures and poses that simply could not be achieved with the normal ten and twenty man Stormtrooper sets.
We start with a Rifleman, equipped with binoculars; he holds his rifle as her surveys his surroundings for enemy action. Standing next to him is the ‘Old man’ a veteran officer, pistol at the ready and pointing at his objective, as all officers do



Next we have a Grenadier, his SMG with grenade launcher slung over his shoulder as he leans back to throw a stick grenade into the enemy ranks, while a rifleman behind him provides covering fire.



We finish up this line up with a platoon sergeant, running into action, two SMG’s blazing away ‘Neo style’. At his side a support specialist, carrying his Panzer Faust in a more traditional method rather than the RPG configuration, his SMG/grenade launcher tethered to his hip.



A couple more shots of the ‘Old man’ in action.




The Grenadier in all his glory.




My homage to the Matrix, this sergeant displays the Hollywood run and gun Neo style.




Hate painting eyes? I do The accessory set contains enough goggled heads to equip 10 troopers and four officers.
Don’t care for the RPG grip style of the anti-tank weapons? This conversion brings us a more old school configuration. Pardon the fish-eye lens effect... it makes the warhead look much larger than it is in the front view pic.




I really enjoyed building these, some of the parts were small and I had to take care with removing them from the sprue so they did not go scuttling across the table but all in all it was a simple job, everything fit as it should and even the little fiddly parts went together with no issues. I used a standard hobby clipper to remove the parts and a swipe from a sharp hobby knife to clean off the remnants of the sprue. Everything went together fast and easy with the use of Testors model cement (Stay away from superglue… the standard orange Testors cement works like a charm and will make a much better bond).

Next up? I need to build out the mechanical MULE’s that are included with this set.

Enjoy!
Mark

Jaw droppingly nice. I actually like that you left the mould lines on because I was wondering how pronounced they'd be. They're not bad at all and should clean up easily.

Very nice indeed

(and just think if you added about half a box worth of weapons onto a single mini you'll be able to use the figure as a standard SF RPG mini....... come on, we all know players tend to horde guns!)

Oh, wow. I really should have gotten in on this campaign, shouldn't I? The detail is amazing. How soon will these be available for general retail?

If I may make a suggestion: Drop the renders from the boxart.

I know it makes it easier/quicker to get the coverart done, but the renders really do not do the models justice. You should get some painted figures on the boxes, or at least stop using just colored polygons. The CG is just so bad that it was turning me off until I saw the actual models, which are fantastic!

 Cyporiean wrote:
If I may make a suggestion: Drop the renders from the boxart.

I know it makes it easier/quicker to get the coverart done, but the renders really do not do the models justice. You should get some painted figures on the boxes, or at least stop using just colored polygons. The CG is just so bad that it was turning me off until I saw the actual models, which are fantastic!

(slaps Cyporien) Sir, you have insulted me, I demand honor

I agree, but its one of those things when running a KS, we can address that with later re-prints but I did not want to hold delivery for 1-2 months whilst a painter worked their magic

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
If I may make a suggestion: Drop the renders from the boxart.

I know it makes it easier/quicker to get the coverart done, but the renders really do not do the models justice. You should get some painted figures on the boxes, or at least stop using just colored polygons. The CG is just so bad that it was turning me off until I saw the actual models, which are fantastic!

(slaps Cyporien) Sir, you have insulted me, I demand honor

I agree, but its one of those things when running a KS, we can address that with later re-prints but I did not want to hold delivery for 1-2 months whilst a painter worked their magic

Ma'am, and I studied computer graphics in college.. so these things bug me

I actually liked the box art for the Leviathan quite a bit! This one works but not sure about the coloring on the head

The models, though- wow

And so apparently plastic glue is the way to go?

 RiTides wrote:
I actually liked the box art for the Leviathan quite a bit! This one works but not sure about the coloring on the head

The models, though- wow

And so apparently plastic glue is the way to go?

Yep 100% model cement. just a dab of glue, put the part in place and let go, even less holding time than super-glue.. the thickness of the cement will keep it where you placed it and the bond is FAR superior to Super-glue.

When can we see somepainted models? I know you have a handful already, but have any made their way to painters?

I was literally just thinking this morning "I wish Mark would post up some more pics of the stormtroopers..." Lo and behold I get back from uni and there they are!

Everything looks fantastic of course, I can't wait to see it all in person next month.

Now get those Mule's built, I have a feeling that the renders do not do them justice!

Very very nice!

But...FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH

Sorry, I want to scrape them but I would scrape my computer screen

 kenshin620 wrote:
Very very nice!

But...FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH

Sorry, I want to scrape them but I would scrape my computer screen

Here, I fixed it for you

This is what you actually see when not blown up to the scale in the pics... The problem is I can only see the hint of flash with the naked eye, When blown up and the contrast sharpened you see what you cannot otherwise see. Granted, I could have done some photo manipulation to get rid of the lines but I did not have the time for that and it seems somehow dishonest to me.

Yea I suppose it is the giant resolution

Curse our non zooming HD eyes . Why must the 80-90's tell us we will have bionic eyes by now!

Cant wait for these to release

Hey mark, looks AWESOME!
I know i'm going to have a problem painting any of them when I'm so busy posing them all >.> lol

The following observations are my own and I'm likely in the extreme minority, so take my post for what it's (or isn't) worth.

Looking at all these pictures, I think I've finally figured out what I dislike about DreamForge's infantry. They're too clean. Now I know that an outstanding paint job and weathering powders will do incredible work toward making this stuff more gritty but right now they look like Imperial Storm Troopers from Star Wars less like Death Korps of Krieg even Cadians.

I'm seeing a lot of body armor but not much fabric. I'm seeing clearly defined and properly secured equipment with crisp, clean lines but not damaged, misused or improperly secured accessories that would suggest years of use. None of the equipment here has that "lived in" look to it. The models just seems so antiseptic. It's like we're all playing Imperial Guard armies but using Space Marine models. These figures certainly are the stuff of good science fiction stories but just don't really fit as infantry slogging through the suck of a backwater battlefield. Nothing here says these guys have had to improvise because they don't have the proper materials at hand.

Perhaps something to consider when you get around to designing your next human(oid) faction? Meh, then again maybe I'm wrong about all this. As I said before, these are just my observations and not any sort of critical assessment. I'll keep following this thread to see people pony up to prove me wrong.

 Breotan wrote:
The following observations are my own and I'm likely in the extreme minority, so take my post for what it's (or isn't) worth.

Looking at all these pictures, I think I've finally figured out what I dislike about DreamForge's infantry. They're too clean. Now I know that an outstanding paint job and weathering powders will do incredible work toward making this stuff more gritty but right now they look like Imperial Storm Troopers from Star Wars less like Death Korps of Krieg even Cadians.

I'm seeing a lot of body armor but not much fabric. I'm seeing clearly defined and properly secured equipment with crisp, clean lines but not damaged, misused or improperly secured accessories that would suggest years of use. None of the equipment here has that "lived in" look to it. The models just seems so antiseptic. It's like we're all playing Imperial Guard armies but using Space Marine models. These figures certainly are the stuff of good science fiction stories but just don't really fit as infantry slogging through the suck of a backwater battlefield. Nothing here says these guys have had to improvise because they don't have the proper materials at hand.

Perhaps something to consider when you get around to designing your next human(oid) faction? Meh, then again maybe I'm wrong about all this. As I said before, these are just my observations and not any sort of critical assessment. I'll keep following this thread to see people pony up to prove me wrong.

I think that is a great observation. but that issue is best solved when painting. If I put (model) a dent in, it will be there for every figure every pose... It would be far better for the modeler to scrape, ding, dent and weather the paint rather than me making a clone army of the same dented gear

Well, from the fluff I'd gather that Eisenkern are one of the, if not THE highest tech and best economy human factions.

Why wouldn't they have the best equipment, training, and resources to replace gear in the field or before deployment?

We're not talking IG regiments on decade long warfronts, slogging in the same trenches day in and day out.

Paint, accessories, and your own customization should help to bring these models to life in their own way.

 bbb wrote:
When can we see somepainted models? I know you have a handful already, but have any made their way to painters?

I seriously need to get a house painter, I am no artist with a brush. Part of the problem has been $$ and time. but there are a few key pieces such as a painter I need to start working on.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
The following observations are my own and I'm likely in the extreme minority, so take my post for what it's (or isn't) worth.

Looking at all these pictures, I think I've finally figured out what I dislike about DreamForge's infantry. They're too clean. Now I know that an outstanding paint job and weathering powders will do incredible work toward making this stuff more gritty but right now they look like Imperial Storm Troopers from Star Wars less like Death Korps of Krieg even Cadians.

I'm seeing a lot of body armor but not much fabric. I'm seeing clearly defined and properly secured equipment with crisp, clean lines but not damaged, misused or improperly secured accessories that would suggest years of use. None of the equipment here has that "lived in" look to it. The models just seems so antiseptic. It's like we're all playing Imperial Guard armies but using Space Marine models. These figures certainly are the stuff of good science fiction stories but just don't really fit as infantry slogging through the suck of a backwater battlefield. Nothing here says these guys have had to improvise because they don't have the proper materials at hand.

Perhaps something to consider when you get around to designing your next human(oid) faction? Meh, then again maybe I'm wrong about all this. As I said before, these are just my observations and not any sort of critical assessment. I'll keep following this thread to see people pony up to prove me wrong.

I think that is a great observation. but that issue is best solved when painting. If I put (model) a dent in, it will be there for every figure every pose... It would be far better for the modeler to scrape, ding, dent and weather the paint rather than me making a clone army of the same dented gear

I agree wholeheartedly with Mark: while there may be a market for "battle-damaged" armor pieces, the foundation of the line should be in top quality gear. If for no other reason then it's so easy to do a number of weathering/damage effects on plastic pieces.

What a great title for the new thread!
Already wondered why it was removed and put somewhre else...
(ach...we fanboys do strange thinge i guess... ...now i dirgress...)

So glad i took 4 boxes of them and also 3 of the heavy weapon sets!
...and i've not yet dreamed about the 7 "Keilerkopf" APC!!!!!! (Round 3 if anyone cares to know )
Now i just think about the possibilities these Afrika Korps...sorry, Stormtroopers migth have with all those gorgeous GW bits to support my Space Sharks at Badab...
...ach the possibilities!

Now... i've seen the fab Eisenkern Mecha ...the Puma....when is the next Kickstarter? I mean a serious one!
A Dropship (to be used for several factions [as it's been in service for some time on all fronts, or given as tithe by the Commonwealth to the Brotherhood and thereafter sold to all]) and some seriously bad and menacing alien? I mean no Bambi like the Sadokesh???? With a good gameplay...no antiquated "it's my turn, it's your turn"???

Ach...one can dream...and forge those dreams into reality...oh you already did that, din't you?

I know you're still serving the first kickstarter, which looks to be turning out fantastically btw, but when are you going to start working on the other races for your game system? Specifically the Shadokesh?

 NoseGoblin wrote:
http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2013/01/to-hell-with-your-fluff.html
My homage to the Matrix, this sergeant displays the Hollywood run and gun Neo style.

THIS!!! So much this! This one is a must!!! Long live Zion!!


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 Medium of Death wrote:
I know you're still serving the first kickstarter, which looks to be turning out fantastically btw, but when are you going to start working on the other races for your game system? Specifically the Shadokesh?

As far as i'm aware it's the second one! The first one IIRC was for the metal incarnation of the Stormtroopers and the Kriegsmarine (where's the Navy when you wan't them? )
Sensible guess is that the Shadokesh will be in the next Kickstarter as the Shadokesh promofigure in this one?

Just my 2 cents.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I know you're still serving the first kickstarter, which looks to be turning out fantastically btw, but when are you going to start working on the other races for your game system? Specifically the Shadokesh?

Yep, the Game release and the Shadokesh will be the next KS

Man, I want a refund.....from GW for all Yeh crap that I've bought from them over the years. Keep delivering stuff like this and we will definitely be the competition that GW has feared will arrive.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 bbb wrote:
When can we see somepainted models? I know you have a handful already, but have any made their way to painters?

I seriously need to get a house painter, I am no artist with a brush. Part of the problem has been $$ and time. but there are a few key pieces such as a painter I need to start working on.

im sure there must be some good painters near you who would do stuff for the bragging rights of being on the website/packageing ?
i mean it dosnt have to be gold deamon qraulity just neat clean and complementry.

Theophony wrote:
Man, I want a refund.....from GW for all the crap that I've bought from them over the years. Keep delivering stuff like this and we will definitely be the competition that GW has feared will arrive.

The models are definitely impressive. They make my current stock of GW power armor look outdated - which, hey!, they might actually be.

Dammit Mark, you are not making this wait any easier.

 CURNOW wrote:

im sure there must be some good painters near you who would do stuff for the bragging rights of being on the website/packageing ?
i mean it dosnt have to be gold deamon qraulity just neat clean and complementry.

I was just about to suggest that. Sure they might not be able to paint for you for free in the long run, but I bet many Dakkanauts and other painters wouldnt mind getting a a sample of these guys for some test painting

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I know you're still serving the first kickstarter, which looks to be turning out fantastically btw, but when are you going to start working on the other races for your game system? Specifically the Shadokesh?

Yep, the Game release and the Shadokesh will be the next KS

Excellent! Can't wait!

Yes, very awesome and not making the wait any easier. Still, I'm happy I went in for 120 of the stormtroopers (plus lots of other stuff).
As far as them looking too "clean" and/or "high tech," the Elysians and Mordians would like a word.

Still can't wait to see what you can do for an Eisenkern tank (you did mention they have a medium tank).

Awesome work, to say the least!

I saw the KS update and immediately started linking friends to it, whether they're wargamers or not, and every agrees they're cool.

I do think Breotan makes a solid point about overall look, but I think Mark has it right that it's easier to make something look beat up from being new than make something look new from being beat up. None of this makes the wait any shorter though; I'm just glad that I will have a nice fat addition to Mount Plasticrack soon.

 Grundz wrote:
Hey mark, looks AWESOME!
I know i'm going to have a problem painting any of them when I'm so busy posing them all >.> lol

Lol, you can tell I never paint a damn thing even when I should, I just never make the time, that and my painting skills are.....lacking....


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Dammit Mark, you are not making this wait any easier.

Sorry Moustaffa, these have been sitting on my desk for a week while I grind away at CAD files. I needed a break from that so I spent some time this weekend to have a little fun.

Mark, you have done it again I now whine because I got all mine coming with wave 3. Damn, sad gamer now the shots look great can not wait till wave 3 releases all I can do is stare at resin leviathan till his brothers get here.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
Hey mark, looks AWESOME!
I know i'm going to have a problem painting any of them when I'm so busy posing them all >.> lol

Lol, you can tell I never paint a damn thing even when I should, I just never make the time, that and my painting skills are.....lacking....

suggestion: airbrush for your base color/shading, then transparent paints to get other colors, its such cheating!

Grundz- What do you mean by transparent paints? I'm about to get an airbrush and if there are cheater methods using it I'd love to read about it.

Particularly I've been wondering since you can get a nice shaded basecoat with the airbrush, but then what to do on top of it that won't just cover up your nice shading?

So, if you can point me towards what you're talking about with "transparent paints" I'd appreciate it

Also, I think Mark's models will lend themselves VERY well to airbrushing.

 RiTides wrote:
Grundz- What do you mean by transparent paints? I'm about to get an airbrush and if there are cheater methods using it I'd love to read about it.

Particularly I've been wondering since you can get a nice shaded basecoat with the airbrush, but then what to do on top of it that won't just cover up your nice shading?

So, if you can point me towards what you're talking about with "transparent paints" I'd appreciate it

Also, I think Mark's models will lend themselves VERY well to airbrushing.

basically yes, you do the base coat really nice in a neutral color like black -> gunmetal -> steel -> mythril, and then use washes or transparent paints to maintain the nice shadowy shading:

I used these: until michaels stopped carrying them, the colors are hit and miss but the transparent green looks fantastic over gold, and the red isn't bad, I know tamija (or whatever) has a series of transparent paints too but haven't tried them, I graduated to washes/inks instead.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/createx/transparent-colors.aspx

see my gallery for grey knights (troops = lots of this effect, then airbrushing the blue for the weapon glow) and vehicles (purposly cloudly coloring, then transparent black to shade the panels)

in reality, you base coat the mini's (takes maybe half an hour to do a squad good) and then coloring is really quick, because its really watery stuff it is really easy to clean up mistakes too!

Got it (what you're talking about) and I'll check it out, thanks

Yep, I'm hoping to learn how to paint flecktarn so I can camo-up my power armor germans properly!

failing that, gunmetal it is, but here's hoping i can do it properly.

I'd have just hazarded to say thin coats over a white primer, like water colour techniques. If you don't go too dilute, it would go pretty fast.

Why would they wear all that armor and not a helmet?

 RiTides wrote:
Grundz- What do you mean by transparent paints? I'm about to get an airbrush and if there are cheater methods using it I'd love to read about it.

This video by Les Bursley shows the technique quite well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC2CYlmt09s&feature=em

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Why would they wear all that armor and not a helmet?

Because they are Bad Ass™.

As far as transparent paints, Reaper has six clear colors that might work, too.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Dammit Mark, you are not making this wait any easier.

Sorry Moustaffa, these have been sitting on my desk for a week while I grind away at CAD files. I needed a break from that so I spent some time this weekend to have a little fun.

What this entire thread translates into...

 NoseGoblin wrote:

HEY GUYS CHECK OUT ALL THESE AWESOME MINIS ON MY DESK THAT YOU WON'T BE GETTING TILL FEBRUARY! AREN'T THEY AMAZING? DON'T YOU WANT THEM? LIKE. RIGHT. FRIGGIN. NOW. I MEAN, LOOK AT HOW AWESOME THEY ARE! SO GLAD I HAVE THESE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, IN MY HANDS, IN THE FLESH! MAN, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THESE TILL FEBRUARY.

It's like taking a fat kid and dangling an entire German Chocolate cake over his head on a string and telling him he can have it in 3 hours. While you eat another one not 5 feet away and go "OH MY GOD THIS IS SOOOOOO GOOD! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS CAKE WHEN YOU GET TO EAT IT TOMORROW!"

You're an evil, evil man

*obviously this is all in jest. Loving the updates, can't wait to see these guys on my doorstep soon*

When will the stuff be finally for sale! i want that robot thingie!!!

Mark, any chance of doing a M.A.S.H. Accessory sprue? You could do a combat medic, a mule with the IV hanger, and bunches of injured body parts. You could also do a semi propped up body or one in a body bag being carried by the mule back to the retrieval site. Also a good chance for battle damaged parts for some. Not sure how many people would want it, but I'd love to convert one of my Ava's int a nurse.

Highest quality kits I've seen I think. Really looking forward to the stormtroopers arriving, even more than the leviathans. This is now the standard that I hold other kits up to.

Mark also has instructions for assembly on the www.dreamforge-games.blogspot.de website. How's how flexible the crusader is. I'm even more excited about that. Now I just need to figure out how to do the Cylon eye electronics for my crusader when it comes in.

Lol, Moustaffa . And thanks for all the tips, guys!

Theophony, aren't those instructions for the old resin Crusader, or are there updated ones for the plastic kit on there?

Theophony wrote:
Man, I want a refund.....from GW for all Yeh crap that I've bought from them over the years. Keep delivering stuff like this and we will definitely be the competition that GW has feared will arrive.

I agree, one of the main things keeping me away from using a majority of 3rd party miniatures is the fact that one of the only stores around me to play is a GW....but these excellent miniatures are making me want to start a whole army of them and throwing care to the wind.

When is the projected date for actually selling these and other Dreamforge models? For those of us who missed out on the KS, are you actually going to sell the product in the store or online or something?

The instructions are new, he just posted them on the 11th I believe. They show where all the articulated joints are. I can't wait to do a slideshow of my crusader dancing.

I hope im smart enough to put these guys together >.<

DarknessEternal wrote:Why would they wear all that armor and not a helmet?

The core trooper box set have the helmeted heads, as I was previewing the accessory pack I used the heads from that set. The reason for providing them was to allow for some variation and allow you to represent a Officer and NCO in your squad so that the miniatures are easily recognizable on the table.

Theophony wrote:Mark, any chance of doing a M.A.S.H. Accessory sprue? You could do a combat medic, a mule with the IV hanger, and bunches of injured body parts. You could also do a semi propped up body or one in a body bag being carried by the mule back to the retrieval site. Also a good chance for battle damaged parts for some. Not sure how many people would want it, but I'd love to convert one of my Ava's int a nurse.

Anything is possible! it all comes back to financial viability. If they sell like gang-busters I see no reason not to add more options... time will tell.

buckero0 wrote:When is the projected date for actually selling these and other Dreamforge models? For those of us who missed out on the KS, are you actually going to sell the product in the store or online or something?

General release will be sometime in February. Through DFG, Wargames Factory and eventually through all the major distributors to your FLGS.

ironicsilence wrote:I hope im smart enough to put these guys together >.<

You will do just fine If you can put together a Spes-Murheen, you can assemble these. The core troopers share the same configuration and number of parts, this is simply an add-on pack for more details such as packs and pouches and well as arm poses without hands so that you can combine those components for unique models.

im more concerned about putting the leviathans together, models are too cool looking to not take advantage of all sorts of fun things

Theophony wrote:
The instructions are new, he just posted them on the 11th I believe. They show where all the articulated joints are. I can't wait to do a slideshow of my crusader dancing.

Please do this

 RiTides wrote:

Theophony wrote:
The instructions are new, he just posted them on the 11th I believe. They show where all the articulated joints are. I can't wait to do a slideshow of my crusader dancing.

Please do this

I was originally joking, but now am tempted to put it together and have it either stomping a spes muhreen over and over, or hoping up and down on a rhino.

 NoseGoblin wrote:


General release will be sometime in February. Through DFG, Wargames Factory and eventually through all the major distributors to your FLGS.

Make it 11 February please, then i have a birthday excuse to order them!

Any shots of the Mule yet? This is one of the things I am looking forward to seeing the most!

Would you sell those m43 hat heads on a separate mini-sprue?

Do. Want.

I think my Imperial Guard veterans will have their special weapons rather unceremoniously removed, and given to shiny new, properly armoured troopers.

Mark, do we know if wgf will sell your models with 3x bundles and 7x bundle deals that they have on their other items?

Theophony wrote:
Mark, do we know if wgf will sell your models with 3x bundles and 7x bundle deals that they have on their other items?

I think that will still hold true, I am also talking with them about special packages (army deals), with a slightly better discount... but nothing is set in stone quite yet.

I'll tell you what's set in stone: those are going to sell like hotcakes. Do you have an inkling as to how many individual boxes of stormtroopers were in the container, outside of the KS requirements?

After seeing the finished models....not enough. I originally was only in for 4leviathans (2 of each), but changed to the one crusader so I could get troops. I didn't get enough troops or heavy weapons, or anything in the second or third tier except weapon arms.

Mark, I know in the ks you had mentioned not knowing if there were going to be selling the weapon arms separate after the kickstarter or not, has there been enough demand to keep making them or at least have some decent stock levels so we can get more? I got a couple extra for myself and another member to get the four for three deal, but will be getting more leviathans later and want moooooaaaaar guns.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'll tell you what's set in stone: those are going to sell like hotcakes. Do you have an inkling as to how many individual boxes of stormtroopers were in the container, outside of the KS requirements?

Good question! I think that Dakkanauts and others will be scrambling over each other to purchase what available stuff is not already allotted to KS backers. I know I'd love to have another box of troops and a mini-Mortis in addition to what I already ordered...

-C6

 catharsix wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'll tell you what's set in stone: those are going to sell like hotcakes. Do you have an inkling as to how many individual boxes of stormtroopers were in the container, outside of the KS requirements?

Good question! I think that Dakkanauts and others will be scrambling over each other to purchase what available stuff is not already allotted to KS backers. I know I'd love to have another box of troops and a mini-Mortis in addition to what I already ordered...

-C6

Mark should implement the Thunderdome pre order policy. 2 gamers enter, one gamer leaves...with a box of stormtroopers.

 tyrant of loserville wrote:

 catharsix wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'll tell you what's set in stone: those are going to sell like hotcakes. Do you have an inkling as to how many individual boxes of stormtroopers were in the container, outside of the KS requirements?

Good question! I think that Dakkanauts and others will be scrambling over each other to purchase what available stuff is not already allotted to KS backers. I know I'd love to have another box of troops and a mini-Mortis in addition to what I already ordered...

-C6

Mark should implement the Thunderdome pre order policy. 2 gamers enter, one gamer leaves...with a box of stormtroopers.

Except if two gamers enter only the leviathan would exit.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'll tell you what's set in stone: those are going to sell like hotcakes. Do you have an inkling as to how many individual boxes of stormtroopers were in the container, outside of the KS requirements?

No. These models, both troops and Leviathans, are going to make hot cakes look like yesterday's leftovers. You'll know it's happened when the head of GW spontaneously explodes in a fit of envy.

And, IIRC, Mark stated that there was another container right behind the KS one with the first of the retail stuff in it, giving the impression that there was no room in the first for anything but the KS requirements.

I am really chomping at the bit to get my Leviathan painted up and then see how quick I can get kicked out of my local GW when I show it off there, I may try and play it as an IG Titan just to see all the slack jaws at the quality of the model before I start painting it!

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I know you're still serving the first kickstarter, which looks to be turning out fantastically btw, but when are you going to start working on the other races for your game system? Specifically the Shadokesh?

Yep, the Game release and the Shadokesh will be the next KS

Awesome.

Can please be SOOON?

Is it February already?

 Conrad Turner wrote:


I am really chomping at the bit to get my Leviathan painted up and then see how quick I can get kicked out of my local GW when I show it off there, I may try and play it as an IG Titan just to see all the slack jaws at the quality of the model before I start painting it!

YES! I would love to do that as well! Unfortunately(or fortunately) I have no GW store local to me.

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2013/01/breaking-news-eisenkern-forces-invade.html

On Monday, January 21st Roughly 65,000 Eisenkern troopers supported by a legion of over 1200 Leviathans landed on US soil. Los Angeles California was rocked by an unstoppable wave of destruction. In related news, a fleet of transport ships have taken up position over Utah and appear to be waiting for the armored spearhead.



What do they want? Why are they here? The only transmission sent by this invading force: “We are the Eisenkern, we have come in peace”.



Cutting a clear path North East, at their current pace and trajectory they are anticipated to reach Utah and link up with their transports sometime next week. The only thing clear to us is that Utah is not their final destination….

A coded message has been sent to key personnel (Update# 86) with further instructions.

TO HELL WITH YOUR FLUFF! (sneak peak of the accessory pack) Upadate.. The Eisenkern have landed!

To hell with spelling too apparently. It's sneak p-e-e-k.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

TO HELL WITH YOUR FLUFF! (sneak peak of the accessory pack) Upadate.. The Eisenkern have landed!

To hell with spelling too apparently. It's sneak p-e-e-k.

Haha fixing now

Hooray for the (ironically very fluffy) announcement!

Soon we can all act out the comic: http://xkcd.com/281/

The Upadate is rather glaring as well

 Bolognesus wrote:
The Upadate is rather glaring as well

Apparently English is not my first language, I am however fluent in gibberish. I spotted that when I fixed the ‘peak’

If it makes you feel any better I could care less about your spelling. I want plastic toy soldiers. If you need a proof reader for the game I suggest someone not affiliated with the board, as I know no body here is perfect.

This looks amazing. My only concern is that the figs are a little large for 38-32mm scale. They look like they're on par with PP's stuff.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:
This looks amazing. My only concern is that the figs are a little large for 38-32mm scale. They look like they're on par with PP's stuff.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Indeed they are slightly larger than a true 28mm . When they are completely erect, they are 31mm to the eyes, when posed they range 28-30mm to the eyes. Mounted on the thinner base (included) they are shorter than a Spes-Murheen by about 1mm but taller than a Kay-d-hun by about 1 to 1.5mm. The thinner base allows me to cheat a little while keeping the bulk on the figure and more realistic human proportions. I have no idea how they scale vs PP but they are close to DUST figs if that helps?

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
The Upadate is rather glaring as well

Apparently English is not my first language, I am however fluent in gibberish. I spotted that when I fixed the ‘peak’

I can't wait to see what the back of the Stormtrooper boxes say.

Love the breaking news post . I know a FLGS that would just love to stock these, let me know when to give them the heads up that they can order them from a distributor (I'm guessing late February)

 RiTides wrote:
Love the breaking news post . I know a FLGS that would just love to stock these, let me know when to give them the heads up that they can order them from a distributor (I'm guessing late February)

Any FLGS that would like to stock these may go here: http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/p/stockists-and-retailers.html

As WGF will be my primary US distributor, I am having them collect the information and set the terms. They offer generous terms so there should be no surprises for the FLGS from what they are used to seeing. using the contact link in the page will drop them directly to the WGF retailer page and put them in contact with Daisy at WGF.

Mark since your on here, what size is the base or the leviathan? I too lazy to go check and see if you wrote it somewhere.

Theophony wrote:
Mark since your on here, what size is the base or the leviathan? I too lazy to go check and see if you wrote it somewhere.

That would be a whopping 160mm!

 NoseGoblin wrote:

Theophony wrote:
Mark since your on here, what size is the base or the leviathan? I too lazy to go check and see if you wrote it somewhere.

That would be a whopping 160mm!

Great now I just need to think about what GW stuff I will be littering the ground in bits

Am I getting confused or did DFG straight up steal screenshots from Battle: LA to advertise their material?

 ph34r wrote:
Am I getting confused or did DFG straight up steal screenshots from Battle: LA to advertise their material?

Yes.

Pfft... we didn't need those pot smoking surfer hippies anyways! Canada makes enough movies to pick up the slack and Wisconsin makes better cheese anyways. I for one welcome our new alien overlords...

 NoseGoblin wrote:
I have no idea how they scale vs PP but they are close to DUST figs if that helps?

Yeah, that's not really good news, as it means they're close to dust, but far larger than GW.

Shame though, they are really nice figures.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:

 NoseGoblin wrote:
I have no idea how they scale vs PP but they are close to DUST figs if that helps?

Yeah, that's not really good news, as it means they're close to dust, but far larger than GW.

Shame though, they are really nice figures.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Far larger than GW? Nahhhhh about .5mm taller if you based them on the same GW base




Far larger than a Kay-Dihun...yes but honestly, almost nothing compares to that. when it comes to more realistic proportions.

You are evil to keep posting pics of stuff we don't have our hands on yet. But let's see some more anyway.

@warboss, now we don't have to deal with how bankrupt California is anymore either

Nice looking troops, and the scale is Mass Market Miniatures Game friendly. I don't actually have a need for these guys, but I'm sure I can come up with one.

In before those pics were really an excuse to introduce the Eisenkarn's new hero, Arnie.

 NoseGoblin wrote:



Far larger than a Kay-Dihun...yes but honestly, almost nothing compares to that. when it comes to more realistic proportions.

Kay-Dihun, huh that would be a funny name to actually have in a game as an inside joke or parody

They need to land their plastic behinds on my doorstep already! Operation: Save Money For Two Leviathans was a success, Phase 2 of the operation cannot begin until said Leviathans reach its destination. The mission is in your hands, Mark!

 chris_valera wrote:
This looks amazing. My only concern is that the figs are a little large for 38-32mm scale. They look like they're on par with PP's stuff.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

It's okay. I ran out of cash at the time, but I'm sure we can coordinate some way with Mark for your troopers to be sent to me instead.


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 ph34r wrote:
Am I getting confused or did DFG straight up steal screenshots from Battle: LA to advertise their material?

It actually seems like Mark just googled some pics and had some fun with a (blog and forum) post. It's not quite a point of sale item for retail.

 tyrant of loserville wrote:
They need to land their plastic behinds on my doorstep already! Operation: Save Money For Two Leviathans was a success, Phase 2 of the operation cannot begin until said Leviathans reach its destination. The mission is in your hands, Mark!

Right on! Cannot wait to get my hands on these puppies. Troopers first for me, but then those Leviathans for SURE.

 SkaerKrow wrote:
Nice looking troops, and the scale is Mass Market Miniatures Game friendly. I don't actually have a need for these guys, but I'm sure I can come up with one.

Personally, as I don't play GW games and therefore am not thinking of proxying them as something else, and don't currently know where I would play, I don't actually have a USE for these guys, but I sure have a NEED for them!

 NoseGoblin wrote:

Far larger than GW? Nahhhhh about .5mm taller if you based them on the same GW base

They are not 28mm, even GW pushes that size to its limits and these are bigger. Humans should be smaller than space marines, not the same size or bigger. Cadians are oversized as is and these are taller than Cadians.

Beautiful minis, but too tall.

cadbren wrote:

They are not 28mm, even GW pushes that size to its limits and these are bigger. Humans should be smaller than space marines, not the same size or bigger. Cadians are oversized as is and these are taller than Cadians.

Beautiful minis, but too tall.

Nah, marines too short. Space Marines in 28mm should be like 35mm in height



But being larger than 28mm would make it difficult to be in cover designed for 28mm models

They are space marines! They shouldn't need cover, they wear it!

cadbren wrote:


They are not 28mm, even GW pushes that size to its limits and these are bigger. Humans should be smaller than space marines, not the same size or bigger. Cadians are oversized as is and these are taller than Cadians.

Beautiful minis, but too tall.

Oh good grief guys.... The Kadi-Hun in that picture is 26mm to the eyes...They shortened the IG to make the SM look taller. The SM in the pic is 29mm to the eyes and my trooper in the shot with the IG is 28.5 to the eyes. If you can pick out a .5mm difference when figures are on the table, you have far better eyes than mine.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Love the breaking news post . I know a FLGS that would just love to stock these, let me know when to give them the heads up that they can order them from a distributor (I'm guessing late February)

Any FLGS that would like to stock these may go here: http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/p/stockists-and-retailers.html

As WGF will be my primary US distributor, I am having them collect the information and set the terms. They offer generous terms so there should be no surprises for the FLGS from what they are used to seeing. using the contact link in the page will drop them directly to the WGF retailer page and put them in contact with Daisy at WGF.

I went by the store today and can't believe I forgot to mention this! I will point them to it though, thanks

Also, cadbren, as kenshin says stock marines are simply too short for what they represent. Hence the whole "truescale" movement to make taller marines... not shorter humans

 NoseGoblin wrote:

cadbren wrote:


They are not 28mm, even GW pushes that size to its limits and these are bigger. Humans should be smaller than space marines, not the same size or bigger. Cadians are oversized as is and these are taller than Cadians.

Beautiful minis, but too tall.

Oh good grief guys.... The Kadi-Hun in that picture is 26mm to the eyes...They shortened the IG to make the SM look taller. The SM in the pic is 29mm to the eyes and my trooper in the shot with the IG is 28.5 to the eyes. If you can pick out a .5mm difference when figures are on the table, you have far better eyes than mine.

Close, but just to be accurate, I measured a cadian using the bottom of sole to eye measurement. He is almost exactly 28mm to the eye. By comparison, the eisenkern looks to be two mm taller, and could probably be labeled 30mm. The different helmet style means that when on the same style base, you're looking at about a 3mm difference in overall height. This will be too much for alot of folks, and clearly these figs aren't going to mix well in the same unit. However, they will look fine on the tabletop together in opposing armies, and those wishing to GW-ify their Eisenkern should find that they look just fine with GW weapons.

Also, note that the plastic cadians are taller than the old metal cadians, and the plastic cadian kit is a number of years old. It is pretty likely that when a new plastic GW IG force comes out they will be even bigger as that's the way the sci-fi miniatures world seems to be heading.

As wonky as GW scale is, who cares if they are a little large? Remember the rule of cool...and these are much cooler than anything GW has out right now.

So a person who is 6 foot is 6 foot to the eye?
Stupid way to measure something.
Height is sole to top of head. Yeah that gets ignored these days and has led to scale creep.
Plastic Cadians are about 30-33mm in scale, marines are about 32-35mm.
The metal Cadians were smaller models and more appropriate for humans, that is the scale they should go back to.
Marines have more sets and more buyers. It makes sense to change the relatively few human lines by making them smaller than altering the marines.

A .5mm difference is negligible to the eye, that is why marines and guard look silly next to each other.
Sometimes things that are small have to be bigger to see them I understand. A hobbit/halfling would be the size of a 15mm figure if scaled correctly and also be hard to see.
Guard should be smaller because marines are the standard in 40k. Xenos don't matter as they're aliens, they can be any height and most seem to be taller and bigger than humans anyway.

The problem that I find is when hats get in the way.

When I was measuring the Dystopian Legions models that's what I really started noticing. The Prussians are about 38-40 mm tall, while the FSA infantry are 35 mm. The reason is because the Prussians wear helmets that sit high on their heads and are not meant to be a close fit because they're supposed to provide protection.
On the other hand, the FSA are just wearing cloth caps snug around their head, which are not nearly as tall.

On the same vein, the FSA character is around 40 mm tall because he is wearing a big top hat.

It's difficult to measure to the top of the head, because it can be difficult to determine what the top of the head is. If you start measuring to the top of a hat, then you will have some models representing 6 feet, other models being 5 feet, but somehow it would entirely be dependent on the size of their hat.

cadbren wrote:
So a person who is 6 foot is 6 foot to the eye?
Stupid way to measure something.
Height is sole to top of head. Yeah that gets ignored these days and has led to scale creep.

It's really not a stupid way.

Wargames miniatures have been measured "to the eye" for a long time. This is because, as Roadkizzle points out most military miniatures have some kinds of headgear and such headgear varries widely in height.

To the eye measurement makes it much easier to know how well a given miniature will look with your current army. This is especially important when folks mix ranges within an army, (very common in historical gaming) and makes it easier to reliably purchase compatible figures online or by mail.

Height in wargames miniatures is to the eye and it's not the reason for scale creep. Scale creep occurs when certain game companies up-size their figures to make them seem more impressive, or to make their miniatures compatible only with their own miniatures. See the GW transition from metal to plastic 99-04 for the clearest example of this.

Sum up, short of a pictorial or in-person comparison, accurate to-the-eye measurements are by far the most reliable way of judging the height and compatibility of various miniatures.