The most common answer is WW2 allies with modern ascetics, but mostly Canadian solders ( probably because Canada and Cadia are not far in names... also the fact that Creed is based on Canadian general ).
But I do not think that this is true, to me at least they look like US army ( with all the regulations, professionalism, even their speech inside military is similar to US army corps ). I watched "We were solders" yesterday, and when I saw how Americans took the hill, form the line and defended themselves with concentrated fire the first thing that came to my mind while watching that was: Cadians!
And I think that they are actually not based on real but rather on fictional military: United States Colonial Marines from Aliens.
What are your thought on this, and is there any official note on who are they based of?
iirc Cadia also has a similar climate to Canada as well.
Uh.... Cadia is Earth-like planet, unless it is 1/3'rd under constant snow and if entire planet is not engulfed in snow during the winter months it doesn't have that kind of climate.
And judging from orbital pictures it is not the case here.
This is from GW official gallery site, the planet of Cadia:
It doesn't look like Ice World to me, Furthermore I found this quote in Malleus novel: "The planet's surface plays host to a variety of terrain types, from frozen tundras and wind-swept moorlands to axel-tree forests."
So planet is mostly like our Earth when it comes to climate, meaning that Cadia is moderate temperature world.
The exact source eludes me at the moment, but this is more or less the agreed upon source of the inspiration behind the Cadian regiments, their shock troopers in particular.
I thought Cadians were kind of the "generic" more plausible sci-fi style future army guys. As opposed to the Vostroyans, which are specifically Blanche-styled bizarro, and all the other factions (Mordians, Tallarn, Pretorians, Catachans) which are specifically modeled after various real world/fictionalized (Catachans in their t-shirts) militaries.
It doesn't look like Ice World to me, Furthermore I found this quote in Malleus novel: "The planet's surface plays host to a variety of terrain types, from frozen tundras and wind-swept moorlands to axel-tree forests."
So planet is mostly like our Earth when it comes to climate, meaning that Cadia is moderate temperature world.
Yeah, believe it or not, Canada isn't covered with snow everywhere every day of the year.
Cadians are actually the one regiment I can't see being based off of anything. Every regiment has a base unit, but part of me thinks GW left Cadians "inspiration independent" so that we don't feel shoehorned into a army style for our home made regiments. On the other hand, all the other GW models for Guardsmen have a very specific feel to them while Cadians can fit most any bill.
Fluff wise, Cadians also fight with a very generic warfare style that has no real distinguishing traits. I feel like they are just a mix of European and American military units and traits to form a fairly generic sci-fi trooper that didn't scream "Americans in space". Although, they do share most of their combat tactics with Canadian troops in WW1 and WW2 and most of their soldier culture with Americans.
washout77 wrote: Although, they do share most of their combat tactics with Canadian troops in WW1 and WW2 and most of their soldier culture with Americans.
This is an interesting comment, care to explain in greater detail?
Canada and the USA have a pretty small military tradition when compared to Europe, which is where my confusion originates.
Cadians are vanilla/generic guard in appearance. Their appearance is really just based on a futuristic but still steam punk-ish sci-fi human soldier concept, meant to look stylized but expendable.
In terms of culture, exaggerated versions of Sparta and Israel probably.
washout77 wrote: Although, they do share most of their combat tactics with Canadian troops in WW1 and WW2 and most of their soldier culture with Americans.
This is an interesting comment, care to explain in greater detail?
Canada and the USA have a pretty small military tradition when compared to Europe, which is where my confusion originates.
Gladly.
Not only between the name thing, Canadian Troops in WW1 were feared by Germans because the Canadians did the whole storm-trooper thing significantly better than they did. Hence, the Cadian Shock Troops. Also, the Cadian and Canadian (along with plenty of other militaries in this era, which is why they are so generic and open to interpretation) strategies both rely on shook troops, weight of fire and discipline among the soldiers thus connecting another line back to inspiration by the World War 1/2 Canadian army.
Soldier culture may have been bad phrasing. What I meant was that if you look at the different sayings, slang, and general actions the Cadians do it seems to reflect things that the US Army has very similar sayings for. Excuse me, but I can't think of an example at the moment without looking through books. It's not so much the military tradition like Cadia has (which, is a connection to Europe. This helps leave it open for multiple possibilities of regiments and backgrounds), but the informal sayings and slang among the ground pounders.
Hope I could clear some of the stuff I said up a bit
EDIT: Harritcus makes a good point. I never thought about it, but some of the traits of groups like the Kasrkin seem Spartan like.
I personally think GW did a good job of making a fairly generic Sci-Fi soldier by combining so many different things. I mean, you can argue where Cadians come from. No one can argue about Valhallans or the Steel Legion.
I'll just go with the Canadians. They're called Shock Troops, the guard as a whole is based on world war 2 armed forces with a few exceptions (Catachans, Elysians), and the Cadians are at the frontline, just as Canadians lead the charge on multiple occasions.
See Canada's 100 Days campaign in world war 1. They held out against a force roughly ten times their size making up nearly a quarter of the German army.
Arcsquad12 wrote: I'll just go with the Canadians. They're called Shock Troops, the guard as a whole is based on world war 2 armed forces with a few exceptions (Catachans, Elysians), and the Cadians are at the frontline, just as Canadians lead the charge on multiple occasions.
See Canada's 100 Days campaign in world war 1. They held out against a force roughly ten times their size making up nearly a quarter of the German army.
And the Vostroyans, Death Korps, Praetorians, Mordians, Tallarns, Steel Legion.
Really it's rather difficult to say any of the GW produced regiments are based on WW2 armed forces except the Valhallans.
Like others have said i see the Cadians as generic soldiers allowing the player to make his own theme, as compared to the other, more obviously inspired and thematic ranges.
Not only between the name thing, Canadian Troops in WW1 were feared by Germans because the Canadians did the whole storm-trooper thing significantly better than they did.
hmm [citation needed]
Sorry but this really needs something to back it up. Sure, they got kudos from their enemy for putting up a better fight than many other Commonwealth forces, but to extrapolate that into meaning they pioneered and perfected the tactic is just flat out wrong.
Hell the English word for Stormtrooper comes from the German Sturmtruppen, ditto the English term 'Shock troops' has it's origins in the German Stosstruppen
I agree though, by making a very generic line of models they can appeal to the greatest amount of gamers, while leaving things like Vostroya/Krieg/Tallarn for people who want that extra level of specificity.
I am going to have to agree that they seem to be an amalgam of different sources. There may be some WW2 Canadian influence, but there are other influences as well.
Heck, you could make an argument that their culture is based on Sparta: A warrior-society, where all children are trained in the one true profession (soldiering) from an early age. They look down on soldiers from other worlds, since no matter how good they are, they still aren't Cadians. And they are best known for defending a critical chokepoint (Cadian Gate/Thermopylae) from a numerically superior force.
Not only between the name thing, Canadian Troops in WW1 were feared by Germans because the Canadians did the whole storm-trooper thing significantly better than they did.
hmm [citation needed]
Sorry but this really needs something to back it up. Sure, they got kudos from their enemy for putting up a better fight than many other Commonwealth forces, but to extrapolate that into meaning they pioneered and perfected the tactic is just flat out wrong.
Hell the English word for Stormtrooper comes from the German Sturmtruppen, ditto the English term 'Shock troops' has it's origins in the German Stosstruppen
I agree though, by making a very generic line of models they can appeal to the greatest amount of gamers, while leaving things like Vostroya/Krieg/Tallarn for people who want that extra level of specificity.
Source: Source Records of the Great War, Vol. V, ed. Charles F. Horne, National Alumni 1923
"It need hardly be a matter of surprise that the Canadians by this time had the reputation of being the best shock troops in the Allied Armies. They had been pitted against the select guards and shock troops of Germany and the Canadian superiority was proven beyond question. They had the physique, the stamina, the initiative, the confidence between officers and men (so frequently of equal standing in civilian life) and happened to have the opportunity.
As Philip Gibbs said of the battle of Passchendaele:
The Canadians have had more luck than the English, New Zealand and Australian troops who fought the way up with most heroic endeavour, and not a man in the army will begrudge them the honour which they have gained, not easily, nor without the usual price of victory, which is some men's death and many men's pain.
After an heroic attack by the Canadians, they fought their way over the ruins of Passchendaele and into the ground beyond it.
Their gains held, the seal is set upon the most terrific achievement of war ever attempted and carried through by British arms."
Sir Douglas Haig's official report said:
"Night operations were undertaken this morning (November 6th, 1917) by Canadian troops with complete success against the enemy's defences in and around Passchendaele and on the spur north and north-west of the village. The assembly of our troops for the attack was carried out successfully, and at 6 a.m., the assault was launched as arranged.
The enemy had been ordered to hold this important position on the main ridge at all costs. Hard fighting took place at a number of points on the Goudberg Spur. None the less our troops made steady progress, and at an early hour the village of Passchendaele was captured with the hamlet of Mosselmarkt and Goudberg.
Before mid-day all our objectives had been gained, and a number of prisoners had been taken."
It is shown that multiple times throughout the war that Canadian troops fought better than their German counter-parts.
NOTE: I did NOT say they perfected the art! Nor did I say they pioneered it! That was def. the Germans! However, the Canadians ended up being slightly better at it compared to the Germans in World War 1. Also, the concept of the Shocktrooper really originated with Austrian and French Grenadiers and then formally made "Shock Troops" by the Germans in WW1 as said
It doesn't look like Ice World to me, Furthermore I found this quote in Malleus novel: "The planet's surface plays host to a variety of terrain types, from frozen tundras and wind-swept moorlands to axel-tree forests."
So planet is mostly like our Earth when it comes to climate, meaning that Cadia is moderate temperature world.
That, uh... That's Canada's climate. Canada, being on Earth, shares some of that with other places, but note Cadia's pointed lack of hot deserts, rainforests, savanah, ect. So yeah.
I don't think its got anything to do with Canada at all.
Cadians are the successor of the RT era plastic Imperial Guard.
Regiment on the front of the box? Necromundan 9th.
Regiment on the uniform guide on the side of the box? Arcadian 5th.
GW likely started with Arcadian, decided to drop the first syllable then come up with a good name to stick on the end.
I believe they're based on German military forces during ww2 seeing that they both had shock troopers. In addition, the Cadians have German names as well.
Like a few others have said they are most likely just a generic future sci fi soldier. They are similar to marines from aliens.
I don't know if I buy the Canadian thing, when you have to go into such detail about why they are based on Canadians I don't buy it. I can look at catachans and see right away what they are based on, same as other troops.
The most notable Cadians are Ursakar Creed and Jarran Kell. Those are made up first names and English surnames not German. Cadians live in fortified cities named Kasr's, which is a made up word, not German.
This wasn't always the case, but pretty much ever since the Starship Troopers movie, they've looked like...Marines from the Starship Troopers movie. The aesthetic inspiration is fairly obvious there.
That's just looks, though... I can't help in terms of doctrine etc.
Mordians - US Marines in dress blues.
Voystrians - Russian Cossacks
Tallarn - Taliban (pre-dates)
DKOK - WW I german
Vallhallans - WW II Soviet
Praetorians - British Colonial
Steel Legion - WW II German
Cadian - ??? British / US Modern
I think it is the look of the weapon the webbing pattern and the helmet that define it. The helmet suggests a modern US/British Kevlar helmet. The weapon looks more like an M16 than a britsh bullpup. The webbing though is not US and not sure of what else it could be.
Pretty much, although I would personally say 1915-1943. Lawrence of Arabia meets the Long Range Desert Group & the 7th Armoured Brigade.
As to the others...
The Mordian Iron Guard are based upon French & Prussian uniforms from the Franco-Prussian War (1870s) with a general European Imperial power vibe (close order drill and smart uniforms, iron discipline etc).
The Death Korp of Krieg are not solely based on WW1 Germans. Much of their uniform actually comes from French, German, British & Belgian uniforms - the greatcoats, which make up a large amount of their visual appearance, are copies of the ones worn by the French forces.
The current Cadians are visually similar to the Starship Trooper movie soldiers with adapted 'American Football' helmets.
SerQuintus wrote: I don't think its got anything to do with Canada at all.
Cadians are the successor of the RT era plastic Imperial Guard.
Regiment on the front of the box? Necromundan 9th.
Regiment on the uniform guide on the side of the box? Arcadian 5th.
GW likely started with Arcadian, decided to drop the first syllable then come up with a good name to stick on the end.
This is probably the best explanation I think, or at least the most likely in my eyes.
cadian
canadian
arcadian is kind of like the name marbo,basically its an anagram for canadian
arcadian=carcadian=canadian
btw canada is in fact a temperate climate... not some frozen wasteland where the snow never melts...
Brother Captain Alexander wrote: The most common answer is WW2 allies with modern ascetics, but mostly Canadian solders ( probably because Canada and Cadia are not far in names... also the fact that Creed is based on Canadian general ).
But I do not think that this is true, to me at least they look like US army ( with all the regulations, professionalism, even their speech inside military is similar to US army corps ). I watched "We were solders" yesterday, and when I saw how Americans took the hill, form the line and defended themselves with concentrated fire the first thing that came to my mind while watching that was: Cadians!
And I think that they are actually not based on real but rather on fictional military: United States Colonial Marines from Aliens.
What are your thought on this, and is there any official note on who are they based of?
canadains use proper military tactics as well.... and are kitted out the same as us/uk counter parts...
I know a few members of the canadian forces with cadianarmies done up to look like the canadian forces, takes no time at all since they already look the same for the most part
the veitnam movie you bring up makes me think of catachans more then cadians,
aesthetics wise modern infantry look fairly similar, body armour + kit + carbine/rifle, the germans dont look like death corps anymore, russians dont look like vostroyans, and dessert infantry dont look like tallarn anymore.
fluff wize, like you said creed is based of a canadian general, if you actually know canadian military history you see allusions to it in the fluff more often then you would think
none of them are 100% based off of real world armies though, there is always some mix and match and some fluff that is all 40k
easysauce wrote: cadian
canadian
arcadian is kind of like the name marbo,basically its an anagram for canadian
arcadian=carcadian=canadian
I really don't think so. Arcadia, in Greek mythology, was a pastoral utopia, as well as being the domain of the God Pan (there is also an actual Greek province called Arcadia), named after the character Arcas. In 40k the planet Arcadia is a Hive world - GW have always enjoyed displays of bitter irony in the background of 40k. A lot of the original GW names for characters, worlds & so on are based off of mythological or legendary people or places.
The look of Cadians is based on the soldiers from the movies Aliens and Starship Troopers. As for what else they are based on I don't know. Canadians can't help but think there's some relation because Canadians who have a bit of historical knowledge (which people who play wargames often do) are all familiar with the term "Canadian Shock Troops". You can see why, that's only two letters off. Probably just a coincidence but just trying to explain to non-Canadians out there why we can't help but notice that and wonder.
The Cadian figure line pre-dates the Starship Troopers movie by a decade or so. If any army is based on Starship Troopers, it's the Space Marines, since Starship Troopers (the book) is the first incarnation of "power armor" as a sci-fi thing.
The plastic Cadian line released with the 3rd Edition Imperial Guard Codex (2nd Codex) are blatantly inspired by the Starship Troopers soldiers (of the movie) & the Colonial Marines from Aliens. That's what was being referred to when talking about 'Starship Troopers', the visual appearance of the current range of Cadians.
The original white metal range of Cadians look utterly different and have been suggested in the past as having a NATO-meets sci-fi appearance. Not sure how true or not that may be.
A massive change, even though each individual part might appear similar when compared on its own, when put in proportion on a complete figure along with the colour change you can tell the difference.
And as for those Starship Troopers...! Granted, it's mostly in the helmet, the addition of sleeves makes a hell of a difference:
the veitnam movie you bring up makes me think of catachans more then cadians,
This is music video made from clips from "We were solders" movie:
And these are Catachan Jungle fighters:
Now tell me how in the name of God Emperor those two look alike? U.S. 7th Cavalry Regimen solders in their full battle gear look more like Cadians then Catachans.
Prussia had shock troops as well (Shusstrupp I think?) so it's hard to really say...
But I can definitely see them as being a mix of 1:1:1:1 Canadian military, marines from Aliens, and Prussian military, and WWII allies... maybe with a drop of flow improver, to... just to, you know, make it flow better.
EDIT: Catachans remind me of the Aliens vs. Predator arcade game by Capcom... and Contra. Yep, definitely Contra. And Ikari Warriors.
When it comes to Catachan's, do not think 'literally' US in Vietnam, more inspired by (jungle deathworld) with a huge dosage of 1970s/1980s action movies/heroes. Like Arnold & his team in Predator;
Starship Troopers, the movie, was released in 1997. 3rd Ed 40K came out in 1998. GW did not slap these models together, move them to mass production, and then ship them to stores in that short amount of time.
The original Cadian line was, what, five years previously? Eight?I think it more likely that Verhoeven was inspired by 40K than the other way around.
The plastic Cadian line was released in 2003 with the 2nd '3rd Edition' Guard Codex. That is the line of models we're discussing as having similarities/some resemblence to the armour/uniforms in the Starship Troopers movie.
Psienesis wrote: Starship Troopers, the movie, was released in 1997. 3rd Ed 40K came out in 1998. GW did not slap these models together, move them to mass production, and then ship them to stores in that short amount of time.
The original Cadian line was, what, five years previously? Eight?I think it more likely that Verhoeven was inspired by 40K than the other way around.
The plastic Cadians didn't come out until 2003 however.
When I think Catachan, I don't think literal US troops in Vietnam, I think more of the stereotype 70's/80's movie action hero (which, just so happened to fit in with the Vietnam/Jungle theme).
EDIT: Im kinda surprised GW hasn't added in fluff talking about a genestealer infestation on Catachan, the whole Predator theme would be interesting (although, Genestealers scream Alien more than Predator, but I can't think of another stealthy alien like creature that is famous enough to talk about)
Mordians - US Marines in dress blues.
Voystrians - Russian Cossacks
Tallarn - Taliban (pre-dates)
DKOK - WW I german
Vallhallans - WW II Soviet
Praetorians - British Colonial
Steel Legion - WW II German
Cadian - ??? British / US Modern
I think it is the look of the weapon the webbing pattern and the helmet that define it. The helmet suggests a modern US/British Kevlar helmet. The weapon looks more like an M16 than a britsh bullpup. The webbing though is not US and not sure of what else it could be.
The webbing... is kinda, sort of like the Wehrmacht. It's leather with a metal belt buckle that is used to hang ammo pouches, bayonets and canteens. On the back, it looks like there is webbing underneath the armor sort of like Y straps, yet it doesn't it connect to the front. The soviets had a similar system to the germans, though, so... again, hard to really pin down.
TheCustomLime wrote: The webbing... is kinda, sort of like the Wehrmacht. It's leather with a metal belt buckle that is used to hang ammo pouches, bayonets and canteens. On the back, it looks like there is webbing underneath the armor sort of like Y straps, yet it doesn't it connect to the front. The soviets had a similar system to the germans, though, so... again, hard to really pin down.
The webbing consists, essentially, of just a belt, a bit like the British PLCE, without the yoke over the shoulders. The strap at the back perhaps stops the armour from riding up, anchoring it to the belt?
-Loki-: Whilst Sly Marbo is drawn directly from Rambo & Stallone, the Catachan's predate the character (Marbo) by a long old while and are based pretty much on most of the action films/heroes/actors of the 70s/80s. Hence why they all have massive muscles (van Damme, Schwarzenegger, Stallone etc) and are considered to be the strongest & toughest of all the Imperial Guardsmen.
I meant the character Marbo, not Rambo. I'm well aware of which came first and in past posts when mentioning whom the Catachan's are based off of I normally cite Rambo as one of the main inspirations among many.
I've edited my previous post to make it a bit clearer.
Aside from being a real place Arcadia was also firmly established as a plane in the Dungeons & Dragons cosmology by the Manual of the Planes in 1987, when GW was still selling D&D.
The Death Korps may have a very German name, but when it comes to uniforms, they aren't German in any real fashion. Take a look at the below photo from the Boxer Rebellion, and notice the French chap in the middle with the pinned-back greatcoat, remind you of anyone?
Bonus points if you can name which nation each soldier represents. Without going to Wikipedia, because that's cheating.
Cadians have always been suitably generic; 40k has its origins in being very derivative, but they've made some serious efforts across the years, with varying degrees of commitment, to make 40k more distinct. Cadians are generic sci-fi soldiers, just distinct enough that they don't seem wholly equitable to any existent military, fictional or real, and have become the iconic 40k "Imperial Guard," to the point where GW has stated that the "Cadian Pattern" is the standard Imperial Guard style, doctrine and equipment model for the Guard across the galaxy. Many worlds have their own subset of Guard, but without a previously established military tradition, the Cadian model is what's followed.
MajorStoffer wrote: The Death Korps may have a very German name, but when it comes to uniforms, they aren't German in any real fashion. Take a look at the below photo from the Boxer Rebellion, and notice the French chap in the middle with the pinned-back greatcoat, remind you of anyone?
That's not the only element from the French army in the Death Korp uniforms. The greatcoat, which I've already mentioned on the previous page, was that used by the French from the 1860's, perhaps earlier, up to WW2 when it was issued in an olive green. The helmet is based loosely off of the German Stahlhelm with the 'flute' of the French M15 Adrian. British army puttee's are used on the models as are British gasmasks. Colour collar tabs indicate different units & come from the Belgian uniforms, while the webbing is distinctly drawn from the German webbing.
As for armour the cuirass worn by Command Squad members, as well as Death Riders, is a generic design whilst the trench armour worn by Grenadiers is inspired greatly by the German trench armour with its segmented pieces. That worn by the Combat engineers emulates the armour worn by some British engineers (although, unlike the British armour the Krieg one comes with shoulder pads. However like the British armour it only covers the front of the body).
As for the troops, best I can do are:
Britain (Troop Sergeant Major?), No idea, No idea (maybe US Marine or Russian?), Indian cavalryman, German, French, possibly Austrian?, Italian, Japanese. I think. Probably wrong on several of those.
Sparks_Havelock wrote: That's not the only element from the French army in the Death Korp uniforms. The greatcoat, which I've already mentioned on the previous page, was that used by the French from the 1860's, perhaps earlier, up to WW2 when it was issued in an olive green. The helmet is based loosely off of the German Stahlhelm with the 'flute' of the French M15 Adrian. British army puttee's are used on the models as are British gasmasks. Colour collar tabs indicate different units & come from the Belgian uniforms, while the webbing is distinctly drawn from the German webbing.
As for armour the cuirass worn by Command Squad members, as well as Death Riders, is a generic design whilst the trench armour worn by Grenadiers is inspired greatly by the German trench armour with its segmented pieces. That worn by the Combat engineers emulates the armour worn by some British engineers (although, unlike the British armour the Krieg one comes with shoulder pads. However like the British armour it only covers the front of the body).
As for the troops, best I can do are:
Britain (Troop Sergeant Major?), No idea, No idea (maybe US Marine or Russian?), Indian cavalryman, German, French, possibly Austrian?, Italian, Japanese. I think. Probably wrong on several of those.
Pretty good actually, you're right on the Austrian, but the 2nd and third are American and Russian marines, believe it or not.
Overall, I'm fond of the Death Korps for the above mentioned fact that they're an amalgam of absolutely everything, creating something distinct enough in its own right, and undeniably suited for trench warfare. Even though there's nothing unique about them, every little detail is borrowed from one source or another, the final conglomeration becomes a very unique aesthetic.
washout77 wrote: EDIT: Im kinda surprised GW hasn't added in fluff talking about a genestealer infestation on Catachan, the whole Predator theme would be interesting (although, Genestealers scream Alien more than Predator, but I can't think of another stealthy alien like creature that is famous enough to talk about)
Catachan Devils are supposedly all that's left of the Tyranid invasion of Catachan.
Lictors are a shoe-in for the Predator role though.
Personally I'm waiting for the Guard army based on the Church of Unitology and their long-running expertise at dealing with Genstealers on space hulks...
I've never heard the term Scotia Ultramarine and nothing comes up in google but even if what you're saying is true then it would be Calgary, Scotland not Alberta.
Somebody had mentioned the web gear. Looks pretty bang on to the crappy old Canadian webbing used in the 80s. While we're on that note the lasguns might even pass for looking close to the FN C1 used at the same time.
washout77 wrote: Although, they do share most of their combat tactics with Canadian troops in WW1 and WW2 and most of their soldier culture with Americans.
I don't want to burst any bubbles lads, but in the military, we don't actually do much different in any first world professional formation.
I've trained with, and helped train several African nations troops, worked with SEALs in Baghdad, USMC and recon in Iraq and ganners, The foreign legion, Spanish marines, cloggies (dutch commandos), Norweigen, swedes, danes, the full works.
Oh yeah, and some Italians during a joint exercise in Cadiz. I've not worked with Israeli troops due to our PC government not wanting to be seen helping them, but I admire their professionalism and am familiar with their tactics.
Enough of my CV, the point is, nobody does much different. Take clearing an apartment in an urban operation. You stack up, toss a grenade slap your oppos shoulder, and move in on alternative arcs, hard and aggressively double tapping into likely cover if needs be.
Nobody really does it any other way. There are tiny little nuances, but it's generally the same for any professional army anywhere in the world. There's only one way to fire and manoeuvre towards a fornication.
Same goes for soldier culture! Overpowering manliness, stoicism, not acknowledging your feminine side exists, a sense of humour in adversity and gallows humor, it doesn't matter what nation. It's the general attitude of the young fighting age male in group.
As 40k fanboys everyone might like to tell themselves that their favourite regiments are based on their nation of birth, but absolute nothing about the cadians is nation specific.
They are based on professional fighting human beings.
Mannahnin wrote: I thought Cadians were kind of the "generic" more plausible sci-fi style future army guys. As opposed to the Vostroyans, which are specifically Blanche-styled bizarro, and all the other factions (Mordians, Tallarn, Pretorians, Catachans) which are specifically modeled after various real world/fictionalized (Catachans in their t-shirts) militaries.
While I find it humorous that poorly trained disposable troops of 40K are based on Canadians, my brothers to the north might find it as funny.
Nobody really does it any other way. There are tiny little nuances, but it's generally the same for any professional army anywhere in the world. There's only one way to fire and manoeuvre towards a fornication.
Snicker. You might want to double-check your autocorrect, Mattyrm.
Nobody really does it any other way. There are tiny little nuances, but it's generally the same for any professional army anywhere in the world. There's only one way to fire and manoeuvre towards a fornication.
Snicker. You might want to double-check your autocorrect, Mattyrm.
I'm with Mattyrm. It seems pretty foolish to try and define the inspiration for the Cadians to any particular military or country. Almost all armed forces are using and have used similar tactics for a long time now.
You would need to go back to medieval times to find truly huge differences between cultures as firearms have pretty much defined what works and what doesn't.
It's especially funny to me that people want to attribute them to Canadians. I'm guessing these people have a tentative grasp on military history. Truth is that American, Canadian, Australian, and British armed forces have all been doing pretty much the same thing for quite a while now. Sure, there are differences in uniform styles, weapons used, and military formalities; but functionally they are using basically their own flavor of the same tactics.
Cadians are without a doubt just an amalgamation of most modern armed forces adapted into a futuristic version befitting of the 40k universe.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: I've never heard the term Scotia Ultramarine and nothing comes up in google but even if what you're saying is true then it would be Calgary, Scotland not Alberta.
It's 'Scotia Ultramarina', not 'Scotia Ultramarine'.
Scotia Ultramarina was a short lived name used to refer to the old kingdom of the Scots and Picts. It was being used to distinguish this northern area from what was becoming the Kingdom of Scotland (a kingdom made up of smaller kingdoms like Alba (Scotia), Mann, Strathclyde and areas like Lothian and Galloway).
Calgary in Scotland is a tiny hamlet with less than 100 people that is sited on a long sandy beach.
Calgary in Canada is named for Fort Calgary which was named for Calgary Castle in Calgary. A Scots-Canadian commissioner holidayed in Calgary Castle and suggested the Fort in Alberta be named after it. The name means 'Beach of the meadow pasture' in Gaelic.
SerQuintus wrote: I don't think its got anything to do with Canada at all.
Cadians are the successor of the RT era plastic Imperial Guard.
This really is the likely answer. Also, if you look at the older metal "Imperial Troopers" available before the plastics it is easy to see the Cadians are just updates of those figures.
I am not buying into the Canada theory at all, they are just generic future soldiers in the wh40k setting of a particular world.
Just checked that out. There is also a farseer named Caerys. She's from Ulthwe.
Yec'hed mat.
Trugarez ha yec'hed mat dit ivez.
It's funny, I played through that game a number of times and that name never clicked with me. Probably because it starts with a "c" and it's never used as a letter on its own in Breton.
As to the topic, I'm not buying the Canadian thing either. I think they're just generic sci fi troops with occasional references thrown in here and there.
"A Mordian Iron Guard regiment in battle is a solid wall of brightly-uniformed, perfectly-formed soldiers who cut through the enemy's ranks with precisely-timed volleys of fire behind a hedge of polished bayonets."
"A Mordian Iron Guard regiment in battle is a solid wall of brightly-uniformed, perfectly-formed soldiers who cut through the enemy's ranks with precisely-timed volleys of fire behind a hedge of polished bayonets."
more like European gunpowder warfare.
Maybe something French?
Btw Praetorian Guard is British for sure, but I'd go even with the Italian Bersaglieri:
It doesn't look like Ice World to me, Furthermore I found this quote in Malleus novel: "The planet's surface plays host to a variety of terrain types, from frozen tundras and wind-swept moorlands to axel-tree forests."
So planet is mostly like our Earth when it comes to climate, meaning that Cadia is moderate temperature world.
Yeah, believe it or not, Canada isn't covered with snow everywhere every day of the year.
It's sad how many people can't seem to figure this out.
Hell, some places in Canada almost get as hot as Texas summers (but they're usually drier).
Honestly, I dont think any of the Guard are specifically based off 1 army/country. I think they just piece meal each type of Guard from many different armies around the world or from movies.
I also agree that Cadians are pretty much just the generic future human soldier
Bonus points if you can name which nation each soldier represents. Without going to Wikipedia, because that's cheating.
British, American, Russian, Indian, German, French, Austro-Hungarian, Italian, Japanese
Cadians are the face of the imperial guard, so they have to be generic so that people don't see the flagship minis and say "All guardsmen are based off germans" or "All guardsmen are russians", cadians are a baseline that other ideas spring from
They're also a mix of generic sci fi with strong NATO/Western Allies undertones
It doesn't look like Ice World to me, Furthermore I found this quote in Malleus novel: "The planet's surface plays host to a variety of terrain types, from frozen tundras and wind-swept moorlands to axel-tree forests."
So planet is mostly like our Earth when it comes to climate, meaning that Cadia is moderate temperature world.
Yeah, believe it or not, Canada isn't covered with snow everywhere every day of the year.
It's sad how many people can't seem to figure this out.
Hell, some places in Canada almost get as hot as Texas summers (but they're usually drier).
Stop your lies. It's nothing but tundra, igloos and rabid penguins up here.
It doesn't look like Ice World to me, Furthermore I found this quote in Malleus novel: "The planet's surface plays host to a variety of terrain types, from frozen tundras and wind-swept moorlands to axel-tree forests."
So planet is mostly like our Earth when it comes to climate, meaning that Cadia is moderate temperature world.
You do know that Canada has very little arctic terrain right? we have every thing from tundra to rain forests (technically) to actual deserts, complete with sand dunes.
But if Cadians are Canadian than that would be awesome.
However Canadians invented fragging (a sergeant got a grenade down the pants during the Somme) so we would be more like a death world company.
Inquisitor Jex wrote: Cadia never lost a Black Crusade that vomitted forth from the Eye.
Canada never lost a war it joined.
easy to see why Cadians are Canadians after all..
Except the current one. Even if Cadia manages to push the forces of Chaos off the planet, its cities have been glassed, their soldiers have died by the tens of millions, the pylons are wrecked, and Creed's a broken man.
Probably becuase they didn't know what would happen. But old Necron lore stated that the pylons were holding open the Eye of Terror and that they were part of an abandoned Necron/C'tan project to cut off the Warp from Realspace entirely.
No clue what they've been retconned in to now though.
Even without Cadia the EoT is still porous. I going to go with the theory it basically forces Chaos through the Cadian Gate. Better to know where the enemy is coming from and put him through a meat grinder than not.
I always thought cadians looked like starship troopers. Either them or the elysian drop troops are starship troopers or aliens colonial marines. Basically any sci-fi standard trooper.
The Cadian pylons make space stable enough to have coherent existence without the eternal physics-shattering (and therefore unreality) of the Warp.
If the pylons were Destroyed, the only road from the unreality to reality would be shattered, and Chaos could not longer move easily from said unreality into realspace, while Imperials couldn't go into the eye of terror either.
Well not at the eye anyway. There are other warp storms where it is possible such as the Maelstrom. The Eye of Terror is just the biggest one, and the "Cadian Gate" is just the safest and most stable way to leave/enter the Eye of Terror
Inquisitor Jex wrote: Cadia never lost a Black Crusade that vomitted forth from the Eye.
Canada never lost a war it joined.
easy to see why Cadians are Canadians after all..
Except the current one. Even if Cadia manages to push the forces of Chaos off the planet, its cities have been glassed, their soldiers have died by the tens of millions, the pylons are wrecked, and Creed's a broken man.
When did that happened? Last time I read about it, Tylok fields was won by Creed and the Cadians, the Chaos fleet was pushed back and the only thing left to do was to whipe out the chaos ground forces who managed to land.
Oh and that one planet they blow up with that Blackstone fortress, but nothing like you're saying.
Brother Captain Alexander wrote: The most common answer is WW2 allies with modern ascetics, but mostly Canadian solders ( probably because Canada and Cadia are not far in names... also the fact that Creed is based on Canadian general ).
But I do not think that this is true, to me at least they look like US army ( with all the regulations, professionalism, even their speech inside military is similar to US army corps ). I watched "We were solders" yesterday, and when I saw how Americans took the hill, form the line and defended themselves with concentrated fire the first thing that came to my mind while watching that was: Cadians!
And I think that they are actually not based on real but rather on fictional military: United States Colonial Marines from Aliens.
What are your thought on this, and is there any official note on who are they based of?
The Cadians are essentially a grab bag of NATO styled armies shot into space with a little bit of Colonial Marine influence.
Melissia wrote: Yes, I like Cadians as well, so don't expect to see me openly insult them.
Well, usually. Sometimes I like to troll Kanluwen.
Yeah, well, you know. The entire Imperial Guard is made up entirely of regiments who use men like the USSR did in the desperate days of late 1941, and worse.
Y'know, because they're all really gakky commanders and stuff. Spess mahreens are waaaaaaaaaaaay cooler because they do things and stuff.
I see the Canadian link, now that I think about it.
Cadians, after all, are ruthless fascists. They're from the single most important planet in the Imperium outside of Terra itself. Their entire culture is devoted to war. Their soldiers are the ones everyone else looks up to, and their special operations forces are the most high-profile and galaxy-renowned in the Gothic-speaking diaspora.
If that doesn't sound like Canada in space, I don't know what does.
Seaward wrote: I see the Canadian link, now that I think about it.
Cadians, after all, are ruthless fascistsStalinists. They're from the single most important planet in the Imperium outside of Terra itself. Their entire culture is devoted to war. Their soldiers are the ones everyone else looks up to, and their special operations forces are the most high-profile and galaxy-renowned in the Gothic-speaking diaspora.
If that doesn't sound like Canada in space, I don't know what does.
Fixed that for you. I doubt the Cadians would tolerate capitalism getting in the way of efficient military operations!
Mannahnin wrote: I thought Cadians were kind of the "generic" more plausible sci-fi style future army guys. As opposed to the Vostroyans, which are specifically Blanche-styled bizarro, and all the other factions (Mordians, Tallarn, Pretorians, Catachans) which are specifically modeled after various real world/fictionalized (Catachans in their t-shirts) militaries.
Lol, blanche style bizarro hehe
I thought cadians were a mixture of colonial marines and starship troopers. All gw cultures seem to have a british accent, as seen in DOW. that sort of throws the american influence somewhat. The other regiment types are easier to identify as they seem to each be modelled on a distinctly real world example. Id be surprised if the cadians were based on canadians, canadians always seem really nice to me. Not that they werent one of the hardest fighting nations of both ww1 and 2, just doesnt strike me as the nation to fit into the grim future of the 41st millenium.
The aesthetic inspiration is fairly obvious there.
Exactly!
