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Post by: Ouze
Probably not (source). In my effort to post less political stuff in the O-tizzle, here is some important research.
Could you outrun a Tyrannosaurus rex?
Just how quick was the great tyrant lizard, exactly? Experts in biomechanics think she was pretty damn quick – but still probably not as fast as you think.
Researchers have been debating over the speed of dinosaurs – and T. rex, specifically – for years. Reconstructions of dinosaurs toward the end of the 19th century often depicted them as fast-moving creatures, but by the mid-twentieth century, that vision had been turned on its head. Large, bipedal theropods like T. rex were often presented standing completely upright, their tails dragging along behind them in a manner suggestive of slow, lumbering locomotion.
Over the last few decades, however, the standard model of T. rex locomotion has been revised yet again. Some studies have pushed for a "fast-running" T. rex hypothesis, claiming that the tyrant lizard may have been capable of speeds in excess of 45 miles per hour – but more recent investigations now suggest that T. rex was neither sloth-like nor super-swift. According to John R. Hutchinson (who has published studies on T. rex biomechanics in scientific journals no less-esteemed than Nature), Tyrannosaur speeds likely topped out in the "moderate range" of 5–11 meters per second, or between 15 and 25 miles per hour. You might be able to outrun a T. rex on the low end of that spectrum – but the middle- to high-end? Unless you're an elite athlete, odds are you're a goner. (For reference: Usain Bolt holds the world record for fastest human footspeed, clocking in at just under 28 miles per hour.)
What about other Theropods?
One of the most significant studies to examine the speed of T. rex and other theropods was published in 2007 by William Sellers and Phillip Manning, paleontologists at the University of Manchester. The study was unique in that it relied on a computer program called GaitSym to model the top speed of five different dinosaurs: Compsognathus, Velociraptor, Dilophosaurus, Allosaurus and T. rex. (All of which, it bears mentioning, were bipedal and carnivorous.)
The pair used data from known fossil models to reconstruct the dinosaurs' locomotive anatomies and musculoskeletal features. These models were then pushed to their limits in the GaitSym program, which ran each dinosaur's model through different combinations of muscle activation patterns. Patterns that caused the models to falter were abandoned, while simulations where the dinosaur ran at least 15 meters were investigated more thoroughly.
Finally, Sellers and Manning simulated the running speeds of humans, emu and ostrich – species with documented top speeds – to help validate the accuracy of GaitSym. Here are the figures they came up with, as reported in Proceedings of the Royal Society B:
This is the table we used to create the infographic up top. You'll notice the estimated speed for T. rex (8.0 meters per second) is smack dab in the middle of the "moderate range" of 5–11 ms-1 cited by Hutchinson. Dromaius, Struthio and Homo correspond to emu, ostrich and human, respectively. These numbers corresponded well with top speed data for all three species, and helped demonstrate the accuracy of the GaitSym model.
The upshot: the smaller the bipedal theropod, the faster it runs (just look at that freaking Compy!). The good news is that according to Sellers and Manning's models, the monstrous T. rex would actually be the easiest of the simulated dinosaurs to outpace in a sprint for your life. The bad news? Considering the average T. rex clocked in at about .44 kilometers per hour faster than the average human, there's still a pretty good chance you're humped.
I suppose the only consolation hidden in these findings is that when Sellers and Manning performed these simulations in 2007, they were still using model predictions that put T. rex's weight at 6,000 kg, but a study published by Hutchinson in 2011 put this figure at over 8,000 kg. If we go by the rule of bigger = slower, there's a chance the newer, larger T. Rex model would lag just a bit behind your average human. Unless T. rex really did run closer to 11 meters per second, in which case you're probably doomed no matter what.
Top image by io9 graphics ninja Stephanie Fox; dinosaur speed table via Sellers and Manning. A version of this post appeared on io9 in 2011.
Posts that I, as OP, would consider on-topic for this thread:
Obviously, posts about the story
Discussion of evading and fighting dinosaurs with only melee weapons
Discussion of plot points in the Jurassic Park films
Opinions on what the coolest dinosaur is
Whether or not a velociraptor covered in feathers is more or less terrifying
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Post by: Kilkrazy
I read a thing a couple of years ago that said T Rex may not have run very much because if it fell over it would break its neck owing to its front limbs being so small.
Instead, it was an ambush hunter. (Which poses the question of what it hid behind.)
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Post by: SagesStone
Is that a cue for Creed to show up with a smug grin?
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Post by: dogma
Full text. Interesting stuff.
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Post by: Leigen_Zero
I don't need to be able to outrun the T-rex, as long as I can outrun some of my fellow Dakkanauts I'm safe 
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
 n0t_u wrote:Is that a cue for Creed to show up with a smug grin?
Wait, who could possibly be good enough to Outflank stuff retroactively? That'd take some kind of tactical gen...
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Post by: Sigvatr
The real questions is:
Why would I have to?
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Post by: Cheesecat
Because all our government leaders are reptilians and the only reason humans exist is because the reptilians wiped out the dinosaurs and are keeping the DNA of every dinosaur species in a secret lab just in case they need to reintroduce the dinosaurs back on this earth
because if the humans find out there leaders are secretly 5- to 12-foot (1.5–3.7 m) tall, blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system, that use human disguises. That's why.
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Post by: 4oursword
Of course I can. They're dead.
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Post by: nels1031
I wouldn't have to outrun a Trex, I'd just remain perfectly still. As long as I remain still and aren't seated on a toilet, I'm good to go.
I learned this from a Steven Spielberg amusement park documentary when I was little. Steven doesn't lie.
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Post by: KingCracker
 Kilkrazy wrote:I read a thing a couple of years ago that said T Rex may not have run very much because if it fell over it would break its neck owing to its front limbs being so small.
Instead, it was an ambush hunter. (Which poses the question of what it hid behind.)
2 answers KK.
Mountains. Mountains everywhere.
Creed.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
Kilkrazy wrote:
Instead, it was an ambush hunter. (Which poses the question of what it hid behind.)
I personally would think that, if it were an ambush predator, that this would mean it plays off the notion that dinosaurs were incapable of distinguishing shapes, etc. but instead relied on movement and vibrations (similar to snakes today?) in order to see their own doom. Automatically Appended Next Post:
but what about zombie t-rex?? could you outrun them then?
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Post by: Cheesecat
Depends if it's a fast or slow zombie T-rex.
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Post by: LordofHats
I would think that given environment, a human is small enough to get somewhere a Rex couldn't follow. Unless you're on the great plains or something, in which case:
 Leigen_Zero wrote:I don't need to be able to outrun the T-rex, as long as I can outrun some of my fellow Dakkanauts I'm safe
My plan XD
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Post by: whembly
Or if he's possessed by Bob! (Dresden reference)
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Post by: Dark Apostle 666
I would have thought the T-Rex would go for "aggressive scavenging" - essentially let other dinos do the hunting, then muscle in and steal the kill. Sure I read that someplace.
But anyway, Hiding would be better than running, I'd say.
Zombie T-Rex is another matter!
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Post by: Rysaer
What to do if you find yourself being chased by a T-Rex with no hope of outrunning or escaping it:
Consider yourself lucky that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far — which, given your present circumstances, seems more likely — consider yourself lucky that it won't be troubling you much longer.
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Post by: Grey Templar
If it was an Ambush predator it was probably capable of short fast bursts of speed but would quickly tire out.
And it wouldn't be all that hard for it to hide. a stand of trees would be sufficient. Its not like it only lived on open savanna where everything could see it coming from miles away.
Humans would have several advantages over the T-rex.
1) a little too small to be worth the effort.
2) can hide in places the T-rex couldn't reach.
The Lion is perfectly capable of killing a Mongoose, but its too small to be a worthwhile food source.
Humans would need to worry about things like Raptors. Allosaurus maybe would prey on humans but it would be a rarity.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Actually it depends entirely on how fast the polka-guy on it's back is playing the bass drum.
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Post by: azazel the cat
I think a Human would generally be okay against a T-Rex, because when running from a much larger, heavier adversary, the smaller, more lithe prey has the advantage of being more able to make rapid, 90-degree turns that the much larger T-Rex cannot match or compensate for. Those top speeds assume running in a straight line, which -unless you are Usain Bolt- is a bad idea.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
I don't need to outrun that Rex, I got me a gun.
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Post by: Cheesecat
 azazel the cat wrote:I think a Human would generally be okay against a T-Rex, because when running from a much larger, heavier adversary, the smaller, more lithe prey has the advantage of being more able to make rapid, 90-degree turns that the much larger T-Rex cannot match or compensate for. Those top speeds assume running in a straight line, which -unless you are Usain Bolt- is a bad idea.
Usian Bolt has to be the coolest name for a runner, it's like the parents knew he was going to be the fastest man ever.
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Post by: BolingbrokeIV
Bolt could almost outrun the raptor over 200m. He'd be neck and neck with the dilophosaurus...probably not where you want to be when trying to run away from it.
 Cheesecat wrote: azazel the cat wrote:I think a Human would generally be okay against a T-Rex, because when running from a much larger, heavier adversary, the smaller, more lithe prey has the advantage of being more able to make rapid, 90-degree turns that the much larger T-Rex cannot match or compensate for. Those top speeds assume running in a straight line, which -unless you are Usain Bolt- is a bad idea.
Usian Bolt has to be the coolest name for a runner, it's like the parents knew he was going to be the fastest man ever.
It's unfortunate he's more likely to have inherited that name from a slave owner.
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Post by: Cheesecat
 BolingbrokeIV wrote:Bolt could almost outrun the raptor over 200m. He'd be neck and neck with the dilophosaurus...probably not where you want to be when trying to run away from it.
Cheesecat wrote: azazel the cat wrote:I think a Human would generally be okay against a T-Rex, because when running from a much larger, heavier adversary, the smaller, more lithe prey has the advantage of being more able to make rapid, 90-degree turns that the much larger T-Rex cannot match or compensate for. Those top speeds assume running in a straight line, which -unless you are Usain Bolt- is a bad idea.
Usian Bolt has to be the coolest name for a runner, it's like the parents knew he was going to be the fastest man ever.
It's unfortunate he's more likely to have inherited that name from a slave owner.
Wow, you just had to turn his awesome name into a depressing story.
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Post by: Grey Templar
How big?
A 9mm probably won't do much besides annoy him.
You'd probably need to get a shotgun, AR-15, or .45 caliber something before you starting being dangerous to it. And then you may not kill it right away.
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Post by: Coolyo294
Clearly it is the Carnotaurus.
Just look at that thing.
It could probably kill you with those eyebrows alone.
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Post by: timetowaste85
 Coolyo294 wrote:Clearly it is the Carnotaurus.
Just look at that thing.
It could probably kill you with those eyebrows alone.
The only death that thing is causing is expiration from split sides. That's hilarious! No wonder it went extinct*-too ugly to attract a mate.
*I assume it died before the comet/aliens/ice-age/Adam and Eve hit earth
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Post by: Ma55ter_fett
I think if you lived exclusively in heavily wooded areas you could outrun it by virtue of being able to maneuver better around tree's.
Or you could challange it to see who could do the most pushups in a minute.
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Post by: azazel the cat
While the T-Rex is probably the coolest dinosaur, I think that the Triceratops shold be given an honourable mention, simply because it would be the most likely dinosaur that could be rode with a saddle.
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Post by: motyak
This whole family are the coolest.
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Post by: Avatar 720
I don't understand why people assume they'll be chased by T-Rexes, when everyone knows they only eat coconuts.
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Post by: martian_jo
azazel the cat wrote:While the T-Rex is probably the coolest dinosaur, I think that the Triceratops shold be given an honourable mention, simply because it would be the most likely dinosaur that could be rode with a saddle.
And oh how we wish we could. With lasers on the saddle. Excuse me while I go look for a DinoRiders dvd on ebay...
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Post by: Ouze
azazel the cat wrote:While the T-Rex is probably the coolest dinosaur, I think that the Triceratops shold be given an honourable mention, simply because it would be the most likely dinosaur that could be rode with a saddle.
The Trike was always my favorite when I was a kid. No reason, just was. Automatically Appended Next Post: Coolyo294 wrote:Clearly it is the Carnotaurus.
Just look at that thing.
It could probably kill you with those eyebrows alone.
I do like the Carnatosaurus, though.
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Post by: xxmatt85
What about dodging it?
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball, if you can dodge a ball you can dodge a bullet, if you can dodge a bullet you can dodge a t-rex.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Easy. T-rex meet Mr. Train 
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Post by: Grey Templar
"Stay right there Mr T. Now let me get this train up to speed so I can hit you with it."
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Post by: d-usa
Coolest dinosaurs?
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Post by: Frazzled
Exactly. In Texas, TRex tastes like chicken. Why would you be running? TRexes are vegetarians. They have the peg teeth to eat coconuts. Thats why early Frenchmen hunted them to extinction. Poor TRex, killed by the French.
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Post by: Chongara
Wouldn't be my approach anyway. Let's face if you're in a dinosaur wilderness, you've got play to your strengths.
Personally I'd go with the "Is mammal, digs hole", method of survival. T-Rex ain't fitting in my burrow, and with legs & arms like that he certainly ain't diggin' me out.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
 Ouze wrote:[url=http://io9.com/could-you-outrun-a-tyrannosaurus-rex-470867213]Posts that I, as OP, would consider on-topic for this thread: Obviously, posts about the story Discussion of evading and fighting dinosaurs with only melee weapons Discussion of plot points in the Jurassic Park films Opinions on what the coolest dinosaur is Whether or not a velociraptor covered in feathers is more or less terrifying
Thanks for this - I found it good reading  Most of us still couldn't outrun it though - Warhammer not normally being a good sprint speed determiner. Although if we taught it to read and then how to play, we could probably baffle it with RAW vs RAI arguments. I do like the idea of a Trex being an ambush predator - like Rambo. Sneaking up behind people, getting them in headlocks with its tiny arms and snapping necks. While rocking camo face paint. IIRC - Triceratops is now being looked at as a potential juvenile Torosaurus (larger version of triceratops) I also watched some tv program where they proved that if the triceratops charged at something at full pelt, it'd break it's own face. So they now think the spikes were purely defensive. Brontosaurus used to be my favourite, then I found out it was made from an incorrect build - it had the wrong head, thus my favourite dinobot is now invalid. Did anyone read the book jurassic park 2? there was a part in there about T rex's vision not being based on movement, as that would be dumb (prey animals natural response being to freeze before running. They also said anything larger than a goat would fill it for ages and thats why it didn't just eat them all in the first film) Sure beats the film...where a trex can get out of a cargo hold, eat everyone while doing no damage to the ship then lock itself back in. In the meantime, the only people who can find the trex on the mainland are the heroes. It knocks down a wall, roars, eats a dog and the kid goes to warn his parents - who havent woken up yet? The velociraptors shrunk (they were oversized in the first film to make them better on screen villains - then a short while after they'd made it up, they found the utahraptor, which was an oversized variant) In the first book/film, the kids roles were reversed too - The boy was the older computer geek and the girl was about 6. Random... The coolest dinosaur - I like Baryonyx. No idea why. Velociraptor - dressed in feathers doesn't seem as bad. Without feathers - It'd be like being chased by a naked lizard/chicken. Thinks thats as on topic as I could get
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
Clearly this is the most awesome dinosaur related thing
Also on the whole "trex was an ambush predator" there is only one answer
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Post by: ExNoctemNacimur
Please
Look at the majesty of this melon-fether
Imagine seeing a whole herd of them grazing in your park
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Post by: whembly
 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Please
Look at the majesty of this melon-fether
Imagine seeing a whole herd of them grazing in your park
Just imagine the size of it's poo pile!
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Post by: Earthbeard
Out of everything you could've picked to either outpace or kill it? You pick a train?
Stegosaurus are cool too, especially MLRS ones
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Post by: Kilkrazy
I'm that hungry tonight it's more a question of if a T Rex could outrun me.
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Post by: whembly
Kilkrazy wrote:I'm that hungry tonight it's more a question of if a T Rex could outrun me.
If you're that hungry... think of the number of T-Rex "tastes like chicken" dishes you can have...
Better get that Barrett .50 primed and ready.
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Post by: Ouze
If dinosaurs are related to birds... what if they taste like turkeys?
6 tons of pure deliciousness.
We're gonna need a bigger smoker.
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Post by: Frazzled
Ouze wrote:If dinosaurs are related to birds... what if they taste like turkeys?
6 tons of pure deliciousness.
We're gonna need a bigger smoker.
Dude, smoked turkey is awesome....we must now intersplice Rex DNA with Turkey DNA to make the world's largest smoked trukery breast. Quick Robin, to the Bat DNA Splicer! Automatically Appended Next Post: OT question but, you always hear the phrase "ambush predator." Outside of a pack of wolves or lions, is there anything not an "ambush predator?"
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Post by: whembly
Ouze wrote:If dinosaurs are related to birds... what if they taste like turkeys?
6 tons of pure deliciousness.
We're gonna need a bigger smoker.
Naw man... we gonna need a bigger FRYER!
Turn this:
Into something like THIS:
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Post by: Mr Nobody
That's a lot of muscle and very little brain for a bullet, unless it's a very big bullet.
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Post by: Grey Templar
 Mr Nobody wrote:
That's a lot of muscle and very little brain for a bullet, unless it's a very big bullet.
You'd be better off going for a torso shot. I'm not sure what the resistance of a skull that thick to a bullet would be, but if Bison skulls are practically bullet proof then I'm betting the T-rex is probably in the same vicinity.
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
That's why you hunt it with an anti material rifle silly!
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
 Frazzled wrote:
OT question but, you always hear the phrase "ambush predator." Outside of a pack of wolves or lions, is there anything not an "ambush predator?"
Sharks, killer whales, and possibly polar bears? I know that polar bears do ambush their prey, but not always, right?
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Post by: d-usa
 Ensis Ferrae wrote: Frazzled wrote:
OT question but, you always hear the phrase "ambush predator." Outside of a pack of wolves or lions, is there anything not an "ambush predator?"
Sharks, killer whales, and possibly polar bears? I know that polar bears do ambush their prey, but not always, right?
What is the difference between an ambush predator and a 'regular' predator?
I would think that all predators rely on at least some element of surprise. Does it depend on just how sneaky and/or how long they chase?
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Post by: Coolyo294
 Grey Templar wrote: Mr Nobody wrote:
That's a lot of muscle and very little brain for a bullet, unless it's a very big bullet.
You'd be better off going for a torso shot. I'm not sure what the resistance of a skull that thick to a bullet would be, but if Bison skulls are practically bullet proof then I'm betting the T-rex is probably in the same vicinity.
And that's why you always hunt dinosaurs with the .577 T-Rex!
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Post by: Ouze
 d-usa wrote:What is the difference between an ambush predator and a 'regular' predator?
I would think that all predators rely on at least some element of surprise. Does it depend on just how sneaky and/or how long they chase?
You already know the difference, if you think about it. While all predators do depend on the element of surprise, consider the difference between a lion attack (where it actively, and stealthily, tracks down it's prey) and, say, a crocodile, which will pick a nice spot, wait motionless for as long as it takes for some creature to come up and take a drink, and then attack it.
I imagine for a creature as large as a T-Rex, being an active predator is impossible - just soo much energy cost for risky, possible unsuccessful hunting. I wonder if they even stayed submerged frequently.
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Post by: Grey Templar
An Ambush predator is one that lays in wait until its prey comes very close, close enough for it to grab it before it escapes.
Other predators chase their prey down, usually after stalking as close as they can get.
T-rex probably did some chasing down, but more closer to a Croc than a Lion. Close enough as hundred ton animals can get anyway.
Allosaurus was probably more akin to a lion as a predator that tracked down and stalked its prey. Possibly in packs.
T-rex may have also followed other large predators, that were still smaller than it, around and stole their kills. Or eaten mostly carrion. Or a combination of all three. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:
I imagine for a creature as large as a T-Rex, being an active predator is impossible - just soo much energy cost for risky, possible unsuccessful hunting. I wonder if they even stayed submerged frequently.
Really?
Is there any thought they may have been semi-aquatic?
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Post by: Ouze
Probably not, actually. It looks like Spinosaurus was and had totally different teeth. Probably hung out near water though, streams and such.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Being semi-aquatic could explain how it survived with such tiny arms.
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Post by: Orlanth
Being able to outrun a T-Rex or not is moot. The buggers are known to cheat as much as we do:
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Post by: Ratbarf
On topic Primal Carnage is on sale on Steam today. Who wants to go and hunt some Dinos?
And personally I don't think it would be the dinos that really scares me about prehistoric creatures, it's the giant insects. A several hundred pound scorpian or cockroach and there goes my sanity.
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Post by: p_gray99
TBH I don't see outrunning a T-Rex as being all that difficult. All you have to do is go round a corner and suddenly you're ahead, as they'd just have far too much momentum.
And a velociraptor with feathers would look like a large, clawed chicken. Which wild chickens can sometimes look rather majestic, the old model of a scaley velociraptor would probably look more terrifying.
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Post by: Gorskar.da.Lost
I dunno, cassowaries are pretty intimidating when they're mad as hell.
A featherraptor is basically that, except with teeth and useable arms.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
Ouze wrote:I imagine for a creature as large as a T-Rex, being an active predator is impossible - just soo much energy cost for risky, possible unsuccessful hunting. I wonder if they even stayed submerged frequently.
There's research being done into dinosaur lungs. It's been theorised that if they had lungs like birds, they would be far more efficient with energy compared to us.
http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/news/2010/01/100114-alligators-dinosaurs-birds-lungs-breathing/
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Ouze wrote:Probably not, actually. It looks like Spinosaurus was and had totally different teeth. Probably hung out near water though, streams and such.
This is right IIRC
From wikipedia
As the foramina on the outside all communicated with a space on the inside of the snout, the authors speculated that Spinosaurus had pressure receptors inside the space that allowed it to hold its snout at the surface of the water to detect swimming prey species without seeing them.
A 2010 isotope analysis by Romain Amiot and colleagues found that oxygen isotope ratios of spinosaurid teeth, including teeth of Spinosaurus, indicate semiaquatic lifestyles.[41] Isotope ratios from tooth enamel and from other parts of Spinosaurus (found in Morocco and Tunisia) and of other predators from the same area such as Carcharodontosaurus were compared with isotopic compositions from contemporaneous theropods, turtles, and crocodilians.[41] The study found that Spinosaurus teeth from five of six sampled localities had oxygen isotope ratios closer to those of turtles and crocodilians when compared with other theropod teeth from the same localities.[41] The authors postulated that Spinosaurus switched between terrestrial and aquatic habitats to compete for food with large crocodilians and other large theropods
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 Gorskar.da.Lost wrote: Frazzled wrote: p_gray99 wrote:TBH I don't see outrunning a T-Rex as being all that difficult. All you have to do is go round a corner and suddenly you're ahead, as they'd just have far too much momentum.
And a velociraptor with feathers would look like a large, clawed chicken. Which wild chickens can sometimes look rather majestic, the old model of a scaley velociraptor would probably look more terrifying.
More like grackle of death to me.
I dunno, cassowaries are pretty intimidating when they're mad as hell.
A featherraptor is basically that, except with teeth and useable arms.
I'd run from a normal angry ostrich. Give it teeth and 6 inch claws...
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Post by: p_gray99
Yeah, those ostriches are scary, really...
On a more serious note, I'd be surprised if dinosaurs (at least the late ones) didn't have lungs like those of a bird. After all, they evolved into birds.
Heck, we know for certain that the latest dinosaurs have lungs like birds, given that they are birds. See that pidgeon out your window? Dinosaur. That magpie? Dinosaur. That blackbird? You guessed it, they're all Alpharius. But also dinosaurs.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
From
http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-an-Encounter-with-an-Ostrich
" An ostrich attack, however, is straight out of Jurassic Park. Like that movie's velociraptors, ostriches are fast--they can run at up to 45 mph--and they have a sharp nail on each of their feet that is capable of slicing a person open with one kick."
So yeah, scary!
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Post by: p_gray99
Well they did evolve from velociraptor-like things, so I'm unsurprised that they are similar. But really, I'm not particularly scared of either because, unlike in Jurassic Park, neither can open a door. And of course, there's my secret weapon for if they learn how to: The Doornob!
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Post by: Grey Templar
They can kill a lion in one kick just from blunt force, let alone any disembowlement caused by the claw. People have been literally disemboweled by ostrich before.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
p_gray99 wrote:Well they did evolve from velociraptor-like things, so I'm unsurprised that they are similar. But really, I'm not particularly scared of either because, unlike in Jurassic Park, neither can open a door. And of course, there's my secret weapon for if they learn how to: The Doornob!
lol - the dinsoaurs in Jurassic Park were buff!
By the end of the book, the raptors are chewing through metal bars...
Also IIRC, JP the book had the velociraptors doing 70mph.
Now I want a pet one to ride to work. Is there a speed limit for riding an animal?
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Post by: p_gray99
PredaKhaine wrote:Now I want a pet one to ride to work. Is there a speed limit for riding an animal?
IDK, but there might be a fine for one killing your neighbour...
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Post by: Grey Templar
p_gray99 wrote:PredaKhaine wrote:Now I want a pet one to ride to work. Is there a speed limit for riding an animal?
IDK, but there might be a fine for one killing your neighbour...
I don't see where owning a T-rex is illegal, but be prepared for a law to come quickly. Likely with your name on it
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Post by: PredaKhaine
It'd be worth it, just for the few days of awesome.
Although I was thinking of riding a velociraptor - I'd get to work so much faster at 70mph
Laughing at the speed cameras as I went.
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Post by: p_gray99
PredaKhaine wrote:Although I was thinking of riding a velociraptor - I'd get to work so much faster at 70mph Laughing at the speed cameras as I went.
"Excuse me sir, do you have a license to drive this Velociraptor? And when did it pass its last MOT?"
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Post by: PredaKhaine
'Hi, is that direct line? I want to add a velociraptor to my multi-car insurance'
and when I'm done with it?
Hi, I'd like to part ex this 6ft monster from the jurassic era against the yellow volkswagon polo in the corner...
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Post by: master of ordinance
Now i refuse to believe that i am the only one whom saw this and thought naughty thoughts   .
But seriously? Just napalm it and kill 2 birds with one stone-kill it and cook it in one go!
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Post by: Grey Templar
On the plus side, parallel parking shouldn't be as hard. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Using napalm to cook something is like using a cattleprod to wake up a kitten.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
But yeah - I think T-rex's top speed is theorised as 25mph give or take. So taking one to work would take longer.
I'm pretty sure everyone would move out of the way though...
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Post by: Grey Templar
PredaKhaine wrote:But yeah - I think T-rex's top speed is theorised as 25mph give or take. So taking one to work would take longer.
I'm pretty sure everyone would move out of the way though...
Not in the traffic around here
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Post by: dreamakuma
I think if life and limb are at a loss, I'll cheat and clock in at 22-23 mph. Can I count Prehistoric sharks? Megalodon is a fave. If not I'd pick Plesiosaur. and I'd like a 40k army of dinosaur men with guns.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
 dreamakuma wrote:I think if life and limb are at a loss, I'll cheat and clock in at 22-23 mph. Can I count Prehistoric sharks? Megalodon is a fave. If not I'd pick Plesiosaur. and I'd like a 40k army of dinosaur men with guns.
Eldar Exodites use dinosaurs...if they ever appear. Been waiting since 2nd ed. Some people have done custom flesh tearers - what with the home planet being 'cretacia' and having big 'not dinosaurs' roaming round on it. Ever wanted to see what wouild happen if Marines fought Godzilla? read 'flesh of cretacia'
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Post by: p_gray99
Fastest dinosaur is the peregrine falcon. And yes, it can go faster than a human 
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Post by: tyrant of loserville
 Rysaer wrote:What to do if you find yourself being chased by a T-Rex with no hope of outrunning or escaping it:
Consider yourself lucky that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far — which, given your present circumstances, seems more likely — consider yourself lucky that it won't be troubling you much longer.
sage like wisdom.
The O2 levels during the Cretaceous was 35% opposed to the ~21% now. The T Rex may pass out from hypoxia before the chase gets too far along.
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Post by: Vulcan
PredaKhaine wrote:It'd be worth it, just for the few days of awesome.
Although I was thinking of riding a velociraptor - I'd get to work so much faster at 70mph
Laughing at the speed cameras as I went.
Kinda hard to ride an animal the size of a turkey, don't you think?
That's my biggest beef with Jurrasic Park. They GROSSLY oversized the Velociraptor throughout the entire series. Even Velociraptor's big cousin Deinoychus wasn't that big.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Yeah, if you want a Raptor to ride try the Utahraptor. They were about the size of an SUV.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
 Vulcan wrote:PredaKhaine wrote:It'd be worth it, just for the few days of awesome. Although I was thinking of riding a velociraptor - I'd get to work so much faster at 70mph Laughing at the speed cameras as I went.
Kinda hard to ride an animal the size of a turkey, don't you think? That's my biggest beef with Jurrasic Park. They GROSSLY oversized the Velociraptor throughout the entire series. Even Velociraptor's big cousin Deinoychus wasn't that big. [/rant]
Yeah - as I said, the dinosaurs in the Jurassic park book were buff... They ran at 70mph and could chew through steel bars
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Post by: p_gray99
Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, if you want a Raptor to ride try the Utahraptor. They were about the size of an SUV.
Yeah, but they'd also quite happily kill and eat a human. Sure you want to try and ride it?
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Post by: Frazzled
Vulcan wrote:PredaKhaine wrote:It'd be worth it, just for the few days of awesome.
Although I was thinking of riding a velociraptor - I'd get to work so much faster at 70mph
Laughing at the speed cameras as I went.
Kinda hard to ride an animal the size of a turkey, don't you think?
That's my biggest beef with Jurrasic Park. They GROSSLY oversized the Velociraptor throughout the entire series. Even Velociraptor's big cousin Deinoychus wasn't that big.
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They were Utahraptors, conveniently discovered just in time for the movie. (The book had velocirprators, considerably smaller). Whats scary is look at the biggie sized Utahraptor. Thats Allasauris sized. YIKES!
http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&biw=1280&bih=823&tbm=isch&tbnid=dbIJKlTFVvh_pM:&imgrefurl=http://deadtimes.wikia.com/wiki/Utahraptor&docid=aScmam7xx_HnTM&imgurl=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100520202702/deadtimes/images/4/46/Dromaeosauridae_scale.jpg&w=1786&h=488&ei=fuBrUZ3hNIri2AXTpYHoDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=108&vpy=474&dur=859&hovh=117&hovw=430&tx=201&ty=71&page=1&tbnh=70&tbnw=256&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:14,s:0,i:124
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Post by: Grey Templar
p_gray99 wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, if you want a Raptor to ride try the Utahraptor. They were about the size of an SUV.
Yeah, but they'd also quite happily kill and eat a human. Sure you want to try and ride it?
Well so would wolves. And now we have dogs 
We will never know if dinosaurs were trainable or not, unless someone manages to clone something.
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Post by: p_gray99
DNA has too short a half-life to survive that long, unfortunately. It's possible we could reverse-engineer them from fossils and living birds, but it'd only be our best guess at what they were like.
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Post by: Vulcan
Frazz, that was pretty much my point. They are consistently referred to as 'Velociraptors', even though Velociraptors are only knee-high. Even Deinonychus is only hip-high (although definitely capable of killing a person). Utahraptor is too big, even the smaller one shown, to be the critter in the movie.
I'll grant you that there HAD to be a transitional form between Deinonychus and Utahraptor that would be that size... but we haven't found that one as yet.
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Post by: Frazzled
Vulcan wrote:Frazz, that was pretty much my point. They are consistently referred to as 'Velociraptors', even though Velociraptors are only knee-high. Even Deinonychus is only hip-high (although definitely capable of killing a person). Utahraptor is too big, even the smaller one shown, to be the critter in the movie.
I'll grant you that there HAD to be a transitional form between Deinonychus and Utahraptor that would be that size... but we haven't found that one as yet.
Well to be far, we don't know that.
But agreed Velos and Deins are smaller, much more "pissed off" vulture sized.
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Post by: p_gray99
A transition form might easily only have lasted a few dozen generations, so therefore practically not exist.
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Post by: Frazzled
p_gray99 wrote:A transition form might easily only have lasted a few dozen generations, so therefore practically not exist.
Deinonychus is perfect size. Oops it even says thats what they were thinking of:
http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/carnivorousdinosaurs/p/deinonychus.htm
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Post by: Grey Templar
Yeah, but who can pronounce that? Not the paying movie audience and certaintly not the actors
Dienyhhinkcuss???
Lets go with Velociraptor, so much easier to say
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Post by: Frazzled
Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, but who can pronounce that? Not the paying movie audience and certaintly not the actors
Dienyhhinkcuss???
Lets go with Velociraptor, so much easier to say
Ayah Deinonychus sounds like a gladiator or a Greek hoplite. They needed less greeky more scary.
"Nychuses? You bread deinononononich forget it killer screaming dinos?!?"
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Post by: kronk
I'd like a T-Rex to keep the neighbor kids off my lawn.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Deinonychus?
We're being chased by the greek god of wine and orgys?
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Post by: Frazzled
Hey whats scarier running at you? A killer chicken or a drunken sex god?
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Post by: Grey Templar
hmmm, meditate on this I must.
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Post by: p_gray99
It's basically a choice between an unevolved bird and slaanesh. A difficult choice indeed.
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Post by: Grey Templar
I may have to go with the bird, I like birds.
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Post by: Frazzled
p_gray99 wrote:It's basically a choice between an unevolved bird and slaanesh. A difficult choice indeed.
Eaten or  ed to death. Yikes!
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Post by: Grey Templar
I'll add it to the great philosophical questions Dakka has tackled.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
Erm... Dionysus - Greek god of wine and ecstasy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus Deinonychus = Terrible claw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinonychus But which is better? There's only one way to find out... FIGHT!
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Post by: LordofHats
My money is on the god of hard partying.
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Post by: master of ordinance
Im going with the wee birdy. Ive just got to reach the very local barracks in time....... (besides being ass-fethed to death is a miserable way to go but tackling a killer dino-hell yeah )
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Post by: Soladrin
Speaking of dinosaurs failing..
Spinosaurus would die if he fell over. His "sail" was connected to the spine, essentialy breaking his spine if it tripped badly.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
It might not even have been a sail - they've assumed it was. It could also have been a hump wikipedia wrote:
The distinctive spines of Spinosaurus, which were long extensions of the vertebrae, grew to at least 1.65 meters (5.4 ft) long and were likely to have had skin connecting them, forming a sail-like structure, although some authors have suggested that the spines were covered in fat and formed a hump.
I always thought that a strong wind would screw him over if it was a sail. He'd have to run by tacking into the wind
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Post by: Soladrin
Besides, we all know Ankilosaur is the best dinosaur. It's an armor plated battering ram with flail for a tail.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
I agree - It's definately better than triceratops - a study showed if triceratops charged something like a t-rex, he'd break his own face. Ank was a sturdy dino
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Post by: thedarksaint
Obviously the best dinosaur. It has it's own website.
http://www.thebestdinosaur.com/
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Post by: Grey Templar
 Soladrin wrote:Speaking of dinosaurs failing..
Spinosaurus would die if he fell over. His "sail" was connected to the spine, essentialy breaking his spine if it tripped badly.
Couldn't have been that big a deal. If it was that big a deal we probably wouldn't see much evidence of their existance.
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Post by: Soladrin
As opposed to the completele overflow of spinosaurus fossils, right?
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