Moving from Dakka Polls: threads about non-wargaming topics should go in the Off-Topic sub-forum. Thanks ~ Manchu
To all you comic book junkies, My friends and I are in a bit of a tuff; the vote is currently 3-1 Thor-Superman.
I'm not a Superman fan, but he would totally destroy Thor, you know?
So vote and discuss your hearts away. Also, for those of you who say "Batman", I've included two voting options so you can cast your vote while casting your vote
And to make everything clear, this is a no holds barred fight; everything the "Modern Day" character is capable of is included (But no Superman-making-up-powers-as-he-goes.)
Superman. Outside of Kryptonite, can that cat even die?
When you can go so fast you go back and forth in time, lift mountains and suck down an entire Slurpee without getting an ice headache, some smelly dude with a hammer is going to get fethed San Quentin style.
What are the restrictions? If Thor had access to that Teleporter Bridge thing then he could technically teleport Superman to a Red Sun which would suck his energy and then kill him with his Supernova Hammer. Assuming the fight is on earth and stays on earth then Thor would only win by coming across Kryptonite, which would be unlikely as Thor probably doesn't know about it and how it affects Superman.
The reasoning for this is that Superman can withstand an attack equivalent to at least 14 supernovas, while Thor's Hammer only contains the equivalent energy of one supernova, so as long as Superman has access to an energy source ie a yellow Sun, he'll beat Thor hands down.
I think Thor has magical lightening powers. Superman's other weakness besides Krytonite is magic. So: Thor.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Apparently Mjorlnir is a magical weapon too. Anyway, Wizard Magazine back in the day ranked Superman the 3rd most powerful Superhero and Thor the 2nd most powerful. I go by that.
Superman's weakness is magic, yes: but Mjolnir's magical properties are limited. As in, Mjolnir cannot enchant Superman or anything like that, so the fact that it is a magical weapon is moot. it's not as if Mjolnir can bypass Superman's armour save.
It's already been said, but it comes down entirely to the location of the fight. If Superman has access to a yellow sun, then he wins, hands down. However, if he doesn't have access to a yellow sun, then Thor wins without difficulty.
Could superman lift Mjolnir? Or will all Thor have to do is drop it on Superman's stomach? It won't have killed him but it'd have pinned him to the floor.
*Sneaks out of a comic thread via the back door, not once ever having read a comic aside from The Beano and The Dandy*
Superman isn't 'weak' to lightning, he just isn't invulnerable to it. He has been zapped by lightning before by Black Adam (and Captain Marvel for that matter) and while it hurt, it didn't stop him.
I actually imagine Superman could lift Mjolnir, and not through strength, but through worthiness.
While I've already said that I think Superman would win, I also want to concur with Ahtman and KalaK that I think Superman would be able to lift Mjolnir, or indeed, simply catch it in air, and then assume all the powers of Thor, in addition to his own. Thor is both a person, and an office, and two individuals can simultaneously be Thor.
I think I will have to go with Batman.. he has after all beaten Superman and the entire Justice League. Pretty sure he could take Thor too, after all he is used to hanging out with gods, ala Wonder Woman and crew. Not exactly a lightweight.
Superman is so invincible that the stories are generally crap. You always need a plan to neutralize him, either by sending him elsewhere or getting some kryptonite. And ofc many stories end with Superman saying he recognized the plot from the start but just played along so the bad guy could hang himself.
Thor is only a god in our world, in the Marvel Universe he is an Alien as well.
No, in the Marvel world he is a God. In the Marvel Movie world he is some kind of alien.
That is debatable. I looked online and talked to others that are far more into it and can't get a straight answer on it, which is not unusual in comics as things change over the years, then change back as writer's tinker here or there. I'm pretty sure that 'god' has a specific meaning in the Marvel Universe (comic or otherwise) different from casual use of the term; Superman would most likely be considered a god in the Marvel Universe as well. I would proffer that Asgardians are still aliens, not in the sense of being from another planet in our universe, but in that they are from a different dimension/plane of existence.
It is still something of a silly debate because, unlike a lot of others of this nature, it has actually happened in the comics, and Superman won.
JLA/Avengers miniseries. There is even panels of it on the first page of the poll. Obliviously it depends on plot and such, but we actually have an instance where the companies agreed to allow the characters to cross over and had to decide what would happen. In the case of Thor and Superman it was decided Superman would win, though it was a rough fight to be sure.
Ahtman wrote: Superman isn't 'weak' to lightning, he just isn't invulnerable to it. He has been zapped by lightning before by Black Adam (and Captain Marvel for that matter) and while it hurt, it didn't stop him.
I actually imagine Superman could lift Mjolnir, and not through strength, but through worthiness.
Agreed. He's worthy.
The DC characters have generally been more powerful than Marvel's. Pre-Crisis, Superman used to push planets around. I don't think Thor's ever been shown doing things at that level. Granted, my example is pre-Crisis, but note that his abilities seem to be on an upswing again in the New 52. Besides, the real issue for Thor would be Superman's speed anyway.
I think a more even matchup for Thor would be Wonder Woman.
Superman the comic book character vs Thor the comic book character.
I dont care.
Superman the comic book character vs Thor of the Aesir as worshipped by the Norse.
Thor wins, because he is a god part of the culture of millenia and not the plagiarism of some nerdy 20th century artists. Thor of the Aesir steeped in the legends of the Norse wields Mjollnir, Thor the comic book character (TM) wields a cheap plastic copy with no more substance than himself. Superman can only be hurt by Kryptonite, within the rules of his own milieu, but those rules are trumped by ancient myth. Ancient Skalds say what Thor of the Aesir could accomplish, corporate nerds say what fake Thor and Superman can accomplish. There is no end of argument, the arguement doesnt even begin. Feed the souls of the spandex wearing fool and the fraudulent copy of Thor to Fenris
Its a bit like asking which one would win:
Aragorn, son of Arathorn vs a munchkins 30th level ranger character with ub3r stats
Aragorn wins. It doesnt come down to which has the most plusses but which has the most presence, the munchkins ranger doesn't matter, its +10 sword of uberdeath is irrelevant even if it is techically sharper than Anduril, flame of the West or does more damage and neither does any of the Marvel or DC comic characters compared to centuries old culture of Norse myth. Pissing contests between comic character especially ones plagiarised from ancient cultures are frankly an insult to the collective culture of humanity and are begging to be laughed at scornfully.
I have shown 'interest' in the thread concept and have a different, but not invalid opinion.
If it was Superman vs the Hulk or Spiderman or Batman I would have ignored it, the comic writers made the characters, they can do what they like with them. But the thread involved Thor ans thus was a continuation of the folklore theft of Nordic and Scandinavian culture.
If anyone wants to work out the limits of a Norse god ask an anthropologist of the Nordic peoples, not corporate writers for commercial comic books, or Dakka.
Er....but since it's Thor the comic character we're talking about I don't understand why you need to bother bringing up Thor the mythical Norse God. Like you said already you don't care and while you might want to bring up the idea of the original Thor to "provide additional perspective" it doesn't make sense to bring in him because they're in a different context and time-frame as well as the fact that we already made it clear we were talking about Thor as the comic character. Also just because he's the "original idea" does not by default make him the winner just because "he was there first". What feats did mythical Thor do that would one-up the crazy feats Superman has committed over the course of his fictional history anyways? Both are fictional characters regardless so your condescending tone seems a bit out of line just because you personally think that one is superior historically in its antiquity and "originality".
Orlanth wrote: If anyone wants to work out the limits of a Norse god ask an anthropologist of the Nordic peoples, not corporate writers for commercial comic books, or Dakka.
Says the Englishman who has, in the past, talked about an "Eastern mindset".
At any rate, the winner is Superman if for no other reason than the arbitrary expansion of his powers.
Orlanth wrote: If anyone wants to work out the limits of a Norse god ask an anthropologist of the Nordic peoples, not corporate writers for commercial comic books, or Dakka.
Says the Englishman who has, in the past, talked about an "Eastern mindset".
Whats the relevance of that?
For the record there is such a thing as western and eatern mindsets. You seriously going to tell me that peoples and governments on the Pacific Rim think the same as those in the western world. History, anthropology, politics and common observation will tell you different. And no I wasn't adding relative value either. Besides it was one post of two lines, not the culmination of all 7k plus posts on dakka. You really clutch at straws to troll.
/Threadjack.
Orlanth wrote: It doesnt come down to which has the most plusses but which has the most presence, the munchkins ranger doesn't matter, its +10 sword of uberdeath is irrelevant even if it is techically sharper than Anduril, flame of the West or does more damage and neither does any of the Marvel or DC comic characters compared to centuries old culture of Norse myth.
It doesn't work that way. There's no kind of 'my cultural concept is older and more refined and taken more seriously than yours, therefore it wins hahaha I'm taking my Gods and going home' rule. Doesn't exist. Not a thing.
What there is, is a God in an od religion who got co-opted into a comic book series that people enjoy reading, and talking about. Let them. You said you don't care... so don't care. Walk away.
I mean, Zoroastrianism is older than Judaism and is still practiced today (and not by neo-Zoroastrians, but people with continuous traditions of faith right through history), and yet Mazda decided to use the name of their God for their car company. When their God gets co-opted by a car company and they don't get to complain, you don't get to complain about your God getting co-opted by a comic book series that still portrays him as a kick ass hero.
I think Thor would win but that's down to personal opinion than any other reason . I think Thor should win since he is an actual hero who was granted his powers because he was worthy of them, superman to me just seems like some illegal alien who conviently crash landed on the planet that would make him basically invincible, heroes like superman just don't really interest me now if it was batman then it would be a different story .
I say we let these two sit back and enjoy with us watching their ladies fight. An all-out bikini mud wrestling competition between Jane Foster and Lois Lane. Bikinis optional.
Regrettably, Thor lacks the speed to keep up with Superman, assuming this is no-holds barred battle. Thor could be thrown into space with a single motion, given that his strength is vastly disproportionate to his weight.
azazel the cat wrote: Superman's weakness is magic, yes: but Mjolnir's magical properties are limited. As in, Mjolnir cannot enchant Superman or anything like that, so the fact that it is a magical weapon is moot. it's not as if Mjolnir can bypass Superman's armour save.
It's already been said, but it comes down entirely to the location of the fight. If Superman has access to a yellow sun, then he wins, hands down. However, if he doesn't have access to a yellow sun, then Thor wins without difficulty.
(Note: Didn't read the intervening posts between this one and mine. Don't care. ) The magic doesn't have to be able to somehow enchant Superman. It just has to be a magical object to be able to harm him. I mean, Wonder Woman frigging tore out Supes's throat with her tiara stabby-thing after killing Max Lord back in the pre-sucky New 52 DC era. Given that Thor is a god (which kinda makes him a magical being in itself) and Mjolnir is magical as well, I'm giving this to Thor.
azazel the cat wrote: Superman's weakness is magic, yes: but Mjolnir's magical properties are limited. As in, Mjolnir cannot enchant Superman or anything like that, so the fact that it is a magical weapon is moot. it's not as if Mjolnir can bypass Superman's armour save.
It's already been said, but it comes down entirely to the location of the fight. If Superman has access to a yellow sun, then he wins, hands down. However, if he doesn't have access to a yellow sun, then Thor wins without difficulty.
(Note: Didn't read the intervening posts between this one and mine. Don't care. ) The magic doesn't have to be able to somehow enchant Superman. It just has to be a magical object to be able to harm him. I mean, Wonder Woman frigging tore out Supes's throat with her tiara stabby-thing after killing Max Lord back in the pre-sucky New 52 DC era. Given that Thor is a god (which kinda makes him a magical being in itself) and Mjolnir is magical as well, I'm giving this to Thor.
Wonder Woman CUT superman in the throat, after using kryptonite on him. If this fight is set on earth, then superman can fly into the sun and come back with enough speed and force to simply throw thor out of orbit before he can make a move.
azazel the cat wrote: Superman's weakness is magic, yes: but Mjolnir's magical properties are limited. As in, Mjolnir cannot enchant Superman or anything like that, so the fact that it is a magical weapon is moot. it's not as if Mjolnir can bypass Superman's armour save.
It's already been said, but it comes down entirely to the location of the fight. If Superman has access to a yellow sun, then he wins, hands down. However, if he doesn't have access to a yellow sun, then Thor wins without difficulty.
(Note: Didn't read the intervening posts between this one and mine. Don't care. ) The magic doesn't have to be able to somehow enchant Superman. It just has to be a magical object to be able to harm him. I mean, Wonder Woman frigging tore out Supes's throat with her tiara stabby-thing after killing Max Lord back in the pre-sucky New 52 DC era. Given that Thor is a god (which kinda makes him a magical being in itself) and Mjolnir is magical as well, I'm giving this to Thor.
Wonder Woman CUT superman in the throat, after using kryptonite on him. If this fight is set on earth, then superman can fly into the sun and come back with enough speed and force to simply throw thor out of orbit before he can make a move.
But throwing Thor out of orbit wouldn't accomplish anything. In recent issues of Thor, it has been demonstrated that space travel is no big deal for him. Even if this somehow killed Thor, he's literally fought his way out of being dead in recent history, so at best they're at a standstill. I'm still saying that Thor's magical nature would afford him a major advantage over Superman.
You know, now that I'm thinking on it, we should establish which versions of Superman and Thor we're talking about. I mean, depending on the continuity or version you're discussing, this fight could vary wildly.
Melissia wrote: After all, that was one point in Superman history where he was strong enough to juggle planets.
Exactly. Hell, there was even a point when he could alter the way he looked because he had perfect control of his facial muscles and could alter the way they were shaped to the point that he looked different, and let's not forgot in Final Crisis (*shudder*) when he was somehow a super genius who could perfectly memorize how to build a miracle machine to save everything.
And let us not forget when Thor had that sweet flock of ravens....
My vote goes to Thor. He's a God, thus he's pretty strong. I also don't really feel superman is a really hero. I think a solider of any country is more heroic because he or she is risking their life, where superman does great deeds but a little to no risk to himself (unless there is Kryptonite, where he is fighting for his life).
On earth, normal day: Thor would smoke Supes, if only because of his unlimited use of magic. One huge blast of lightning, conducted through Mjolnir, would incapacitate Superman with or without the yellow sun. He'd get back up faster with the yellow, but all it would take is another blast to take him back down.
No yellow sun: Thor hands down, even without lightning.
No Mjolnir (barring the "60 seconds to Blake" thing), yellow sun: Supes has it. He'd be too fast for Thor to keep up with.
No Mjolnir, no yellow sun: That would be one heck of a fight, but I still think Thor would take it.
Really, it all depends on the writer and the story they're telling, like scanners and midi-chlorians all things are abstract ideas used to entertain and communicate.
But if you want to imperialise the characters:
Actually, I am of no help whatsoever here, but I would pick Chris Hemsworth over Henry Cavill any day of the week.
Thor would kick the crap out of Superman. One of Superman's weaknesses is magic, and Thor's hammer is completely magical. One hit or one lightning bolt would at least wind Superman, and after a whole fight, Superman would be down for the count for sure.
It's a problem with "Is there Kryptonite or not". I'm sure Lex Luthor would get involved to ensure there was, as he zapped Superman with a "red Sun beam" to depower him so Spider-Man could fight him. But then again, if Loki knew Thor was going to be fighting Superman one-on-one, he'd get involved to curse him.......blah blah blah
So I have to go off of concept to determine the winner since the story could easily be written for either to win:
Superman is one of the WORST concept characters ever created. He is a casual favortie more then a fan-favorite (traditionally. Haven't read too many comics recently, but have picked up a few newer books). The whole Phonebooth and glasses thing were rediculous. Thank god for Spider-man conpletely setting a new standard for storylines and how to handle juggling a secret identity with your real-life(this could be applied to virtually all comic charaters, including marvel characters, pre-spiderman). But he also yields the most recognizable symbol on the planet. Outside of one's own country, do you think the average person would recognize your country's flag or the superman symbol? Luckily people have already done the pollings and the answer is the Superman Symbol. Gotta give DC Comics props for pulling that off. The fact that he has so much power but holds so much restraint IS a continual testament that not every being is corrupted by power and is a concept we should all strive to achieve.
Thor is a completely unoriginal character directly stolen from Scandinavian Folklore. But that's also what makes the whole Norse mythology tie-in to Marvel comix awesome. Thor is a God that does have character flaws and has far more variable story-lines he's been apart of. He has a warrior's pride and ethos that keep him grounded from pummeling anyone he wants when they get his order wrong at a resturaunt, but gets him into trouble constantly as well as his arrogance really is beyond that of the worst of atheletes.
I have to give it to Thor to be written to win the fight. His undaunting Warrior Spirit should be written to overcome that of an opponent who isn't always the most resourceful, or intelligent when using his own powers (partly since they are nearly limitless in too many aspects). But before one could possibly finish off the other, their both smart enough to realize that they are essentially the same thing: Outsiders with phenominal powers who have taken it upon themselves to protect the planet from anyone who would mean to do it, or it's inhabitants, harm.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'd also like to add that Superman beating Hulk should NOT be counted as evidence in any manner.
That was a fan vote, and thus a self-fulfilling proficy. As we all know, voters will often vote for who they like more, not always who is more likely to win the fight, and since it was not a controlled vote (gathering 101 people who would vote in an educated manner) and if you look at the last two presidents of the United States, the average Joe's opinion shouldn't count for sh**
Clearly it's... AQUAMAN the best super hero ever! He can talk to fish and talk to fish and... oh yeah talk to fish! Sure superman can fly and thor can teleport, but aquamanhas got Southwest! So in the end it's clearly aquaman.
Just kidding all that above is bs and don't believe a word of it. In reality it would be thor kicking superman around with mjolnir.
epicwalrus wrote: Clearly it's... AQUAMAN the best super hero ever! He can talk to fish and talk to fish and... oh yeah talk to fish! Sure superman can fly and thor can teleport, but aquamanhas got Southwest! So in the end it's clearly aquaman.
Just kidding all that above is bs and don't believe a word of it. In reality it would be thor kicking superman around with mjolnir.
PS, Aquaman has been getting badass lately: Flashpoint, Injustice and there was one other thing I forgot...hmmm. Point is, he's not such a pansy anymore. I've heard he's making waves in The New 52.
Vincentz0r wrote: I think Captain Marvel and Black Adam are scarier for superman than Thor when it comes to lightning magic.
Well they definitely have him beat when it comes down to theatricality, nothing makes you gak your pants more from a thunder-clap than when either shout "SHAZAM!" at the top of their lungs and they're holding you up by the neck in the sky.
Thor no question . Super man can't stand up to magic .and is powerless against it hence why black Adam is such a terrible pain in his butt... Thor has a magic hammer ..ie Thor wins
I believe that Superman wins, so long as there is a yellow sun. Thor only really has power cause of a hammer, which he can lose grip on. Now, if both lost their powers:i.e. Thor has no Hammer and Superman no yellow sun. Well... that would be a different matter entirely.
Supes. If no access to yellow sun though... maybe Thor, supes would still have the charge left over from the sun Look at Death Battle: Goku vs Superman. I don't think Thor would understand the hurling him onto the sun would only make him stronger. Also remember: Super Man is Super Fast. Thor is not. Thor's lighting is still just lighting. There's a difference between a Magic Weapon and a Magic spell.
Provided he has access to a yellow sun - Superman. Without kryptonite Thor has nothing on him. The JLA/Marvel comics showed us Superman can block (if not pick up) Mjonir. And whilst Thor's got lightning it won't do any lasting damage.
As for the arguments of Thor's a god and Superman's just an alien, it's kind of irrelevant if the alien's more powerful than the god...
As for this, the fight pretty much got it, except that Superman's suit is made of kryptonite so it would get all shredded.
So yeah, hands down Superman
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also on the magic arguments - it's his mind that's weak to magic (ie. hypnosis and and all that), the fact that Mjonir is magic is irrelevant. On that note Professor X might have a chance...
Thor has many other gods to help him for one. (Unless your of the newest generation where Superman has tons and tons of lil friends) that makes Superman about equal or less to a actually in REAL LIFE worshiped god. So add Thor to his other IN REAL LIFE worshiped gods and their stories. Then you can count Super Man ass a tight wearing alien pansy. For instance his eyes and nearly indestructible form would pale against the Gods eyes and their TRULY immortal forms. According to people that worshiped them
If you are going on comic books, then Super Man, because everything in his story is fictional and the only who actually believe in him, make the cast of Big Bang Theory look like your average dude from brooklyn. then well yea, Superman is the big winner....Even saying that in sarcasm makes me sad.
PoisonWood wrote: Thor has many other gods to help him for one. (Unless your of the newest generation where Superman has tons and tons of lil friends) that makes Superman about equal or less to a actually in REAL LIFE worshiped god. So add Thor to his other IN REAL LIFE worshiped gods and their stories. Then you can count Super Man ass a tight wearing alien pansy. For instance his eyes and nearly indestructible form would pale against the Gods eyes and their TRULY immortal forms. According to people that worshiped them
If you are going on comic books, then Super Man, because everything in his story is fictional and the only who actually believe in him, make the cast of Big Bang Theory look like your average dude from brooklyn. then well yea, Superman is the big winner....Even saying that in sarcasm makes me sad.
For 1) it's Superman vs Thor, not Superman vs Asgard and 2) we are going by the comics, it's the Marvel Thor not the actual Thod from Norse mythology...
Depends primarily on where they fight. Superman has a lot of home-turf advantages, and the forces of mystical whatnots that empower Thor are less friendly in Supes' backyard.
Aix'Nyre wrote: Thor wins for the simple fact that Superman is not willing to do what it takes to win.
Depends on the writer.
For example, Superman in Whatever Happened to Truth, Justice, and the American Way is a billion times more clever and ruthless than Thor ever was, while still upholding his own moral standards.
its importent to consider DC villands and heroes are disgned to be overpowerd and perfect(save kryptonite, thats why marvels better because DC have unjustified duex ex machina defeats, in marvel there justified) marvel heroes have weaknesses and are justified in there powers
so all out fight is even, because hors hammer blocks anything, so supermans laser eyes included, and thor would be able to get kryptonite somewere in the nine realms, +je is generally tankier, look at the actors, chriss hemsworth, big buff, the superman one is skinny, so all his streagth comes from his unjustifeid power, so in a fist fight i say thor,
Marvel Comics made the shock reveal yesterday that Thor will be a WOMAN from October.
Marvel Editor Wil Moss says: "The inscription on Thor’s hammer reads ‘Whosoever holds this hammer, if HE be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.’ Well - it’s time to update that inscription...
"And this new Thor isn’t a temporary female substitute - she’s now the one and only Thor, and she is worthy!"
"This is not She-Thor," Jason Aaron, the writer of the new Thor series, said in a statement. "This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is Thor."
I agree with everyone else that we need to narrow down which Thor and Superman we are talking about.
The example of Thor using lightning to incapacitate Superman can be debated with the Red Son version of Superman, who can move faster than a human thought (its how he beat Luthor's Green Lanterns) and if Superman can move that fast then no matter what Thor does Superman will always win.
My vote goes to Superman only because of the way the character is written. Superman has always been strong enough to overcome any situation. Ill agree its a poor way to approach a character and that is exactly why they had him "die" after his fight with Doomsday. His character got stale and they wanted to try something new cause what else can you do with a Comic character that never loses?
The thing is though that this is the best thing about comics. This debate will go on forever and that is half the fun of reading them as long as everyone is an adult and no one becomes TFG. Stan Lee was once asked who would win in a fight between Hulk and Thor(Thor was brought about to give the Hulk someone who could challenge him, just a fyi) and Stan Lee only said that its for the reader to decide not him.
But in all reality Batman would win. Batman is even worse than Superman in that Superman almost always wins, Batman always ALWAYS, has a plan to win.
grayshadow87 wrote: and let's not forgot in Final Crisis (*shudder*) when he was somehow a super genius who could perfectly memorize how to build a miracle machine to save everything.
Supes being a super genius was established way before Final Crisis.
In fact, it's the entire basis for the "For Tomorrow" storyline. He's so smart, he builds things just to prove to himself that he can and then forgets he built them.
He actually mentions at some point that he could solve all of the world's problems if he actually had the time(ie. if he wasn't fighting so much).
unfortunately, the authors of superman have said for the last 30 years, that he is as strong as he needs to be. he literaly can never stop getting stronger. while I would like to say thor would win, he wont, just because of the nature of superman.
If you wanna get down the nitty gritty, Superman is vulnerable to magic, Thor is magic. Thus Thor has the advantage. And since Superman (traditionally) doesn't kill, and Thor is known for slaying frost giants and dragons, I give it to Thor.
Superman, because he is pretty much the first and worst American superhero.
They only invented kryptonite because the fething stories got so boring people had lost interest. I read a comic once where some bloke had Louis as a hostage and halfway through his sentence of "One wrong move and the girl gets..." Supes was in and out before the bloke got to "it" how can anything Thor can do compete with his speed?
And strength.. well, its not even close. Superman has gotten progressively more strong as the series went on, I believe in a more recent comic he moved some fething planets out of orbit or some stupid gak. Thor is capable of benching what.. a few hundred tons tops? Hulk always knocks the gak out of him, (Thor) but Superman is literally supposed to be capable of lifting millions of tons.
Im a big comic book fan and I always have been, dont for a second think that this is the fan-boy in me talking, I gave up buying Superman stuff in my early twenties (other than Jeph Loeb and Tim Sales run because I always loved their stuff) because I think he sucks. I hate the way he doesnt wear a mask, I hate how he can do absolutely everything, and I hate his ridiculous moral compass.
I infinately prefer all of the Marvel heros other than Batman precisely because they do tend to get the gak beat out of them and come back to win. I love all of the cmics like that, where Spiderman gets beaten to within an inch of his life and crawls back to bed in tattered rags, it makes it all far more convincing and exciting to me.
But seriously, anybody who thinks Thor would win, basically doesn't read enough comics. I can say with the certainty of comicbook guy in the Simpsons that on Superman would annihilate Thor if it was a simple case of kryptonite-less fistycuffs.
Yep, dials up to eleven. That panel pretty much ended the debate. Later on in that series Supes wielded Mjolnir and Cap's shield. And yes, Thor said later "now that I know thine score..." but talk is cheap.
Marvel pretty much acquiesced to the fact that DC's metahumans operate on higher power levels. There's also the "buried alien, the fastest man alive" who smoked Marvel's speedsters like they were standing still. I like that story.
Ouze wrote: Superman was able to beat the Hulk pretty easily during the DC/Marvel crossover.
Although Thor has defeated the Hulk before, generally speaking when they have fought the Hulk wins.
As such, I feel Superman would defeat Thor, generally speaking.
What you seem to forget is this. The hulk that superman fought in the crossover was the Professor Hulk, who is considered to be the WEAKEST of the hulks. And superman only JUST managed to defeat him.
Considering that the hulk has many stronger versions, I would imagine one like the Green Scar would destroy Superman.
It has been seen many times that Superman is vulnerable to lightening. To me, this makes Thor have the favour on his side. Otherwise, what's to stop Superman being knocked to the ground and then Thor just putting his hammer on Superman? Stopping Superman entirely.
On Earth in a fair fight Superman, as much as I hate to admit it. I hate DC comics, I used to collect and read Thor and The Avengers. As for Batman, unless he ambushed them he is outclassed in a fair fight. Batman would never take them on in a fair fight, since he's not a moron. Superman has a weakness that Batman knows. So batman wins everytime, hell he probably carries a kryptonite fragment in a lead container in the utility belt, at all times. Thor and Batman thats a little different. Thor has no obvious weakness aside from, not being worthy of the hamer on occasion, so whats he going to do to him after batman lays down some smackdown. Thor says 'Enough Mortal I say they Nah!'. Sure, we could argue about lightning and insulating against it, but look up lightning and resistance. It can be overcome. Thor could lose his hammer to some etra diensional hole, it has happened before. Depending on story arc that may or may not take away his powers. If it does remove his powers Batman fist pounds him. If it doesn't, just how long can he avoid Thors wrath. Batman has fallen to lesser enemies and its just a matter of time for Thor.
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CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Thor is a god, superman is a mere alien who gets turned into a weakling when shown green rock.
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Thor is not a God, he is an Asgardian who was worshiped as a god. He can be killed
Thor takes this one easily. Superman's two weaknesses are kryptonite and magic. Thor throws around lightning, but not just lightning, magic lightning.
Besides, Superman is the lamest most pointless superhero ever written. With basically no weakness he can never be defeated. That's not a hero. A hero is someone who has to overcome obstacles through self sacrifice for the benefit of others. Superman has no obstacles to overcome, hence he is not truly a hero and his story is stupid. Just mho of course.
Phiasco II wrote: Thor takes this one easily. Superman's two weaknesses are kryptonite and magic. Thor throws around lightning, but not just lightning, magic lightning.
Besides, Superman is the lamest most pointless superhero ever written. With basically no weakness he can never be defeated. That's not a hero. A hero is someone who has to overcome obstacles through self sacrifice for the benefit of others. Superman has no obstacles to overcome, hence he is not truly a hero and his story is stupid. Just mho of course.
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I never really liked superman, but Thor... Thor easily takes this. Especially if we're talking Rune-King Thor who can basically bend space and time to his will.
As has been mentioned, Supes is weak to magic. A magic sword would cut him just like a real sword would a normal man (and has been when Wonder Woman went after him with a sword). Arguably that means Thors hammer would hurt Supes as though he was a normal man being clubbed by a War Hammer. Plus the magical lightning from Cap Marvel yelling Shazam! has nearly killed Supes before.
Thor would beat Supes like a red headed step child.
What, no Deadpool? He did destroy the entire universe...... . Although, I'd go with Batman. He always wins. Always. FWIW - I'd say between those 2 in particular, Thor. And although he is a God, he is also mortal remember.....but as he's fated to die at Ragnarok (or is that 'in' Ragnarok?), then he must beat Supe's, right?
