There is a drinking rhyme that goes:

Beer before liquor, never sicker.
Liquor before beer, all is clear.

True or complete BS? What is your experience?

 kronk wrote:

True or complete BS? What is your experience?

True and bad.

Mixing drinks never ends well, regardless of the order. I know this from personal work conducted in the field.

Never had a particular problem or success with one over the other, no matter which order you do it in you can always drink enough to be sick.

It's total BS.

Just drink, Susan.

It's false, it's not what you drink (unless you have allergies of course) it's how much alcohol you consume.

 Monster Rain wrote:
It's total BS.

Just drink, Susan.

Should I read that as

1. Just drink, Susan. (You're being a girl, Kronk)

or

2. Just drink. My name (Monster Rain) is Susan.

Definitely the second, Susan.

 kronk wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
It's total BS.

Just drink, Susan.

Should I read that as

1. Just drink, Susan. (You're being a girl, Kronk)

or

2. Just drink. My name (Monster Rain) is Susan.

My intent was the former, but the latter makes me feel rather pretty.

Just drink lots of water when having booze (the gakky effects of alcohol are due to dehydration) and you'll be fine.

Depends on the liquor.
The clearer the spirit and fewer congenors in it, the less harsh the effect.

Vodka and beer, no issues apart from a sore head in the morning - which can be prevented with a B-comp/C and lots of water before sleep.

Bourbon and anything and I'm blowing chunks, though.

 chromedog wrote:

Bourbon and anything and I'm blowing chunks, though.

Tonight is Bourbon followed by cider. We'll see.

 kronk wrote:

 chromedog wrote:

Bourbon and anything and I'm blowing chunks, though.

Tonight is Bourbon followed by cider. We'll see.

If I finish my assignment tonight is beer followed by beer and then since I only have 12 some nice scotch. I never want to think of this assignment again.

 chromedog wrote:
Depends on the liquor.
The clearer the spirit and fewer congenors in it, the less harsh the effect.

Vodka and beer, no issues apart from a sore head in the morning - which can be prevented with a B-comp/C and lots of water before sleep.

Bourbon and anything and I'm blowing chunks, though.

Who is Chunks?

Ba-dum-tish

 Monster Rain wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
Depends on the liquor.
The clearer the spirit and fewer congenors in it, the less harsh the effect.

Vodka and beer, no issues apart from a sore head in the morning - which can be prevented with a B-comp/C and lots of water before sleep.

Bourbon and anything and I'm blowing chunks, though.

Who is Chunks?

Ba-dum-tish

If you have to ask you can't afford her.

My experience is that this is 100% true. As previous posters pointed out, its about quantity, my experience tells me that drinking beer before liquor makes the quantity needed to hate yourself the next morning much much much lower than it would normally be.

 rubiksnoob wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
Depends on the liquor.
The clearer the spirit and fewer congenors in it, the less harsh the effect.

Vodka and beer, no issues apart from a sore head in the morning - which can be prevented with a B-comp/C and lots of water before sleep.

Bourbon and anything and I'm blowing chunks, though.

Who is Chunks?

Ba-dum-tish

If you have to ask you can't afford her.

Well played, sir.

Well played.

Well, to be honest, Bourbon alone will make me ill.

Whereas a good single malt Scotch or a good Irish will not have this effect.

I've gone shot for shot at a Polish Wedding with the best man (I was the Groom's proxy - he can't handle vodka, being a cider-drinking softy) and though the BM awoke the next day with the headache from hell, I didn't.

chaos0xomega wrote:
My experience is that this is 100% true. As previous posters pointed out, its about quantity, my experience tells me that drinking beer before liquor makes the quantity needed to hate yourself the next morning much much much lower than it would normally be.

This is my feeling as well.

That being said, I have only had a single hangover, ever. It was enough to teach me to drink a little water when I'm drinking heavily.

I put a big false. it doesn't matter at all; because for me, it's more like

Beer before liquor never sicker
Liquor before beer Oh Dear!?

As a recently graduated Uni student, i'm going to agree with this statement a crate of beer before a night out drinking vodka and gin is guaranteed to end you. If you get a kebab on the way home though you'll be right as rain in the morning though!

Get yourself kinda buzzed on beer, then use poor judgement to drink hard stuff in a bid to greatly increase the alcohol consumption at the end.

vs.

Get yourself buzzed on hard stuff, then use poor judgement to drink beer that you'll most likely just piss out anyway.



This one isn't rocket surgery.

Idk, I only drink liquor. Hate beer.

Personally Ive never had a problem so far with mixing drinks.

Beer with vodka, tons of different mixed drinks together, beers with b-52s.

Only time Ive ever had a problem was drinking one to many grateful deads (7), and even then I just felt a little sick the next day.

 kronk wrote:

 chromedog wrote:

Bourbon and anything and I'm blowing chunks, though.

Tonight is Bourbon followed by cider. We'll see.

Lightweights, real men drink without biscuits!

The only saying that is true with drinking is;

Eatin's Cheatin.

It's definitely false - provably so, in fact. Like much about drinking, it's all down to the individual and not only their base tolerance, but what they usually drink, how much of it they drink and how regularly in terms of building up tolerances.

Case study me, if you like - I'm 28 and spent the first few years of my adult life (18+ being UK) drinking shots, alcopops, funny-looking cocktails... basically anything I could get my hands on except beer since I didn't like the taste.
A few years ago I started drinking beer and ale more but still drink quite a few shots and cocktails too. At first I would get really ill but that would come from drinking lots of beer, even if I had no other drinks, since I wasn't used to them.
Now I can handle mixing both with no problems unless I go overboard.

Note that I'm decidedly not an alcoholic, either - I binge drank like a true student to begin with but now might only drink once a week, and rarely to excess.

Never mix the grape and the grain, the saying goes.
I stick by this as drinking wine then beer turns my stomsch.

My group do have a saying which is scientific fact. 'Burnings getting decimated' any night in which my first drink of the night involves the top shelf.

Surprisingly, I'm not an alcoholic.

Wimps. But yes generally speaking it is true. I have heard of a beer chaser, but not the other way around.

This on the other hand is a shot glass of liquor on top of a shot glass of soda, inside a larger glass that is filled with beer, and then you drink it.



Soju Bomb for the win!!!

Having a range of different drinks i.e. beer then vodka etc doesnt really have a different effect on me, its when I mix different spirits in the same drink, like I thought it would be an excellent idea to use a bit of lemonade and fill the rest with vodka and jagermeister. Tasted amazing but now I realise it was the worst decision of my life.

I GIVE YOU THE INCEPTION SHOT!


For $15 its a shot in a shot in a shot in a pitcher. High enough alcohol content t send a person my size ( 5'9", 170 lbs) in the hospital if done all at once.

Do the whole thing in less then 10 seconds and its free

 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:


I GIVE YOU THE INCEPTION SHOT!


For $15 its a shot in a shot in a shot in a pitcher. High enough alcohol content t send a person my size ( 5'9", 170 lbs) in the hospital if done all at once.

Do the whole thing in less then 10 seconds and its free

If my drinking experiences have taught me anything its that this challenge should be accepted. I drink these sort of things so you don't have to.

The cocktail, or the hospital visit?

chaos0xomega wrote:
My experience is that this is 100% true. As previous posters pointed out, its about quantity, my experience tells me that drinking beer before liquor makes the quantity needed to hate yourself the next morning much much much lower than it would normally be.

I call BS on this, the last time I blacked out and praised the golden throne (like a good member of the Imperium), I had consumed 9-12 shots of 151 in my mixed drink, and what did me in was the two Genesee I had after that, I was fine until that point .

And someone will call BS on my story, it boils down to personal tolerances and what you're used to drinking. Honestly my mantra is probably like this:

Beer before liquor, ain't gettin' drunk quicker
Liquor before beer, everyone get clear (of the area)
Wine before anything, Alf is fethed.

 Monster Rain wrote:
It's total BS.

Just drink, Susan.

I was confused by this as most of my university mates called me Susan...

Though after downing 2 pints of wine once I can confirm it's wine that feths you up.

Tequila is the only drink that's caused me to give tribute at the porcelain throne. That was a rough night.

 Corpsesarefun wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
It's total BS.

Just drink, Susan.

I was confused by this as most of my university mates called me Susan...

Though after downing 2 pints of wine once I can confirm it's wine that feths you up.

I was wine drunk on Saturday night, I find it to be a more emotional drunk than beer or liquor for me. The way I described (drunkenly) to my friend was, "I feel very emotional, like I want to punch everything and love everything at the same time. I feel like an Italian" (she's Italian, so while she told me to feth off, she knew what I meant ) I do not like wine drunk.

bs!

The real saying is beer before liquor never been drunker.

If we're onto the topic of sayings, there is one that is universally indisputable: wine's fine, but liquor's quicker.

Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker is my favorite saying.

Vice is nice, but incest is best?

There's got to be a way to turn this into a drinking game. . . I'm envisioning something like Rock Paper Scissors, but more along the lines of Wine Liquor Moonshine.

I don't care for mixing drinks like that. Ugh...

If you want a drinking game, there's a relatively simple one, but it won't reaaally work in a bar - you have to do it at a party. Simply have everyone bring some drink - shots, wine, beer, doesn't matter - and stick it all on the table.
Everyone is only allowed to drink something they haven't drunk yet that night.

Where it gets fun is, combinations count as a new drink. Works best with about half a dozen people, as it only takes a few before you're forced to mix up, and the smaller variety of drinks usually means you can't cheat by mixing two beers for long.

 chromedog wrote:
The cocktail, or the hospital visit?

Shouldn't one follow the other?


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 kronk wrote:
Tequila is the only drink that's caused me to give tribute at the porcelain throne. That was a rough night.

Tequila is prolly one of the better spirits for me for not fething my morning after up. You need a quality one though. Cuervo or the usual top shelf brands can be just plain nasty for hangovers and such, go pure, get buzzed.

http://www.alexanderandjames.com/tequila/tequila,default,sc.html?cm_mmc=google-_-paid%20search%20-%20Categories%20-%20Tequila%20%28Exact%29-_-Tequila%20-%20Core%20%28Exact%29-_-tequila%20uk-18015898047&gclid=CMnG8uS3ubcCFfMPtAodazEAMw

http://www.31dover.com/spirits/tequila.html/

100% agave is the best.

Ican drink anything in any order....

Provided I chug 2 tall glasses of water and take two tylenol pms before bed.

On the subject of hangovers, I can't stress enough how well Alkaseltzer morning relief works.

 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:


I GIVE YOU THE INCEPTION SHOT!


For $15 its a shot in a shot in a shot in a pitcher. High enough alcohol content t send a person my size ( 5'9", 170 lbs) in the hospital if done all at once.

Do the whole thing in less then 10 seconds and its free

Is that logistically possible?

I can't stand beer. It smells and tastes like something horrible to me.

Revy explains it best in Black Lagoon.

Liquor?!?! I've only just met her!!!!

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Liquor?!?! I've only just met her!!!!

All the more reason to do so

I find that I can get to the proper amount of drunk when I start on liquor, and then maintain/come down from that level with beer.

I've had nothing but terrible experiences when going the other way around

Most nights finish with hard liquor, only some start with beer. But I suppose if your young then drinking vast amounts of spirits when your already tanked up on beer is a common mistake.

My only rule for drinking.

"If you've had more than enough, avoid the puff"

 Bangbangboom wrote:
"If you've had more than enough, avoid the puff"

I'm usually way too drunk to know if weed is having an effect on me, then again the whole point of drugs for me is too have crazy or bizarre sensations, social drinking is too boring for me I like to be fethed up from drinking.

 Monster Rain wrote:
On the subject of hangovers, I can't stress enough how well Alkaseltzer morning relief works.

Gin rickeys. Mostly sparkling water and no sugar, so you don't get dehydrated, and you have one waiting in the fridge in the morning to mitigate the withdrawal symptoms of your body being upset that it's no longer drunk. Voila, no hangover! Preventative medicine in action!

 Bangbangboom wrote:

My only rule for drinking.

"If you've had more than enough, avoid the puff"

I stopped smoking for a quite a few years and forgot this rule a few years ago, as a result i ended up pantless in the little room talking to the porcelain. Lesson re-learned.

The myth of Beer before liquor, never sicker is just that, a myth.

 notprop wrote:


Lightweights, real men drink without biscuits!

That is not a biscuit, that is a cookie.

This is a biscuit...

We have a term used to describe me when I start drinking where I'm perfectly fine, seemingly tipsy, and then I have one more drink, and then I'm utterly helpless and irresponsible like a man on an ether binge. We call it "falling off the ethanol cliff". Thankfully, it doesn't happen nearly as often anymore.

To the topic, I've never had good experiences drinking beer and then switching up to hard alcohol. I think it's mostly behavioral though, nothing to do with chemistry. I think you're just already too drunk to realize how hard you're hitting the liquor at that point.

Also, how does a boiler maker or a cider and rum (or a car bomb) fit into the saying?

 Corpsesarefun wrote:

I was confused by this as most of my university mates called me Susan...

I thought they called you Shirley.

 dogma wrote:

 Corpsesarefun wrote:

I was confused by this as most of my university mates called me Susan...

I thought they called you Shirley.

Don't call him Shirley.

 daedalus wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 Corpsesarefun wrote:

I was confused by this as most of my university mates called me Susan...

I thought they called you Shirley.

Don't call him Shirley.

He's sirius...



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 DeathReaper wrote:
The myth of Beer before liquor, never sicker is just that, a myth.

 notprop wrote:


Lightweights, real men drink without biscuits!

That is not a biscuit, that is a cookie.

This is a biscuit...

Spoiler:

Fairly sure you couldn't be more wrong...

 DeathReaper wrote:
The myth of Beer before liquor, never sicker is just that, a myth.

 notprop wrote:


Lightweights, real men drink without biscuits!

That is not a biscuit, that is a cookie.

This is a biscuit...

Spoiler:

Heathen, Your biscuit is a scone.

This is why the Queen doesn't allow you to have the secrets of good beer, tis a punishment for naming things wrong.

Drinking lots of alcohol will feth you up.

I know, it's cool isn't it.

Unless you are a kid then it isn't. Just say no kids (cider/fortified wine in the park doesn't count)

.....or unless you are one of my kids then, in which case - what the hell are you doing on the internet reading about drinking? Back to work!

 notprop wrote:
I know, it's cool isn't it.

Unless you are a kid then it isn't. Just say no kids (cider/fortified wine in the park doesn't count)

.....or unless you are one of my kids then, in which case - what the hell are you doing on the internet reading about drinking? Back to work!

Isn't drinking in the park one of the many rites of passage we should all go through for a healthy, stable life? Bottles of 20/20, claymore whiskey. Diamond White Sitting in a aprk annoying the households situated around it until the threat of the rozzers causes panic.

Nowdays teens have it easy. Tesco value spirits now come in kid friendly plastic bottles providing solidarity with the local alcoholic.

K cider FTW.

Then getting chased by the Parky at dusk....great days!

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 notprop wrote:
I know, it's cool isn't it.

Unless you are a kid then it isn't. Just say no kids (cider/fortified wine in the park doesn't count)

.....or unless you are one of my kids then, in which case - what the hell are you doing on the internet reading about drinking? Back to work!

Isn't drinking in the park one of the many rites of passage we should all go through for a healthy, stable life? Bottles of 20/20, claymore whiskey. Diamond White Sitting in a aprk annoying the households situated around it until the threat of the rozzers causes panic.

Nowdays teens have it easy. Tesco value spirits now come in kid friendly plastic bottles providing solidarity with the local alcoholic.

I'm sure I can use 20/20 to strip my mini's.

Diamond White?! you had it easy all we had was white lightning...
I can't drink cider anymore .

Those in their big boy pants would select something like Breaker or Tennants.

Truly gods amongst men.

Tennants! I love that stuff it was 2 pounds a pint in scotland for two nights at some backpacker place I was at. Just awesome.

Yeah cider will mess you up...

 purplefood wrote:
Yeah cider will mess you up...

IT'LL GET YOU DRUNK!

I like cider, it doesn't quite do the job for me, but it's sweetness, tartness, and crispness is quite refreshing

I like Angry Orchard Cider a lot.

I love cider, nothing beats an ice cold magners on a summers day, although I was frequently called a woman by friends for not getting beer.

They will never understand.

edit: Draw the line at strongbow, after 2 or 3, it just becomes sickly and unbearable to continue drinking.

I don't like Strongbow.

I've had a dry cider before, not too bad, certainly felt like I was drinking an apple flavored wine rather than a cider.

I've got plans on making my own adult Apple Cider this winter, but I have a feeling that it's going to turn to apple cider vinegar.

Anyone tried Red Apple Ale?

My mum makes cider. Isn't too bad.

Eh feth it, more booze, I care not about the order, that is for lesser, puny livers to worry about

You people sound like you're drinking the wrong ciders. Try some proper scrumpy - actually tastes of apple instead of mildly fruity fizzy beer, and typically clocks in at anywhere between 8-20%.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I've had a dry cider before, not too bad, certainly felt like I was drinking an apple flavored wine rather than a cider.

I've got plans on making my own adult Apple Cider this winter, but I have a feeling that it's going to turn to apple cider vinegar.

Anyone tried Red Apple Ale?

Are you sure were taking about the same thing? I'm sure I've heard Americans say cider when talking about a type of apple juice rather than the 6% junior beer we enjoy here.

It's most suitable for getting smashed in the sunshine.

My preference is for Aspall, most excellent and it comes in a tarts bottle too. Ideal for drinking while sticking your pinky finger out like whot posh people do.

Also for the record Strongbow is for cleaning toilets not consuming.

 Super Ready wrote:
You people sound like you're drinking the wrong ciders. Try some proper scrumpy - actually tastes of apple instead of mildly fruity fizzy beer, and typically clocks in at anywhere between 8-20%.

Yeah, Cider's amazing.

There's a local orchard that makes Gravenstein apple cider and it's to die for.

I'm getting a thirst on reading this thread.

Cider isn't too bad but I find the darker it is the more of a headache I get.

I have been a convert to Magners pear, a delightful drink over ice.

Also had somewhat of a revelation on the weekend. I brought a Swedish mixed fruit cider on a whim. It was alcoholic fething Vimto. Vimto I tells you, the first bottle went down before I knew what was going on. 2nd and 3rd the same, before I paused and emptied my wallet to clear out the outdoors'* fridge.






* For non savvy dakkanauts Outdoor is another term for off licence or liquor store.

 notprop wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I've had a dry cider before, not too bad, certainly felt like I was drinking an apple flavored wine rather than a cider.

I've got plans on making my own adult Apple Cider this winter, but I have a feeling that it's going to turn to apple cider vinegar.

Anyone tried Red Apple Ale?

Are you sure were taking about the same thing? I'm sure I've heard Americans say cider when talking about a type of apple juice rather than the 6% junior beer we enjoy here.

It's most suitable for getting smashed in the sunshine.

My preference is for Aspall, most excellent and it comes in a tarts bottle too. Ideal for drinking while sticking your pinky finger out like whot posh people do.

Also for the record Strongbow is for cleaning toilets not consuming.

In America we have Apple Juice (which is squeezed juice from an apple, who knew!), Apple Cider (apparently called Soft Cider, which is similar to apple juice just with less babying), and Hard Apple Cider (implying booze). Everyone in this thread is talking about Hard Apple Ciders, I am talking about taking unpasteurized Apple Cider, putting some raisins, a little brown sugar, and something else (yeast maybe?) and putting an airtight seal on it. Then let it sit for a few weeks. My dad did this when he was in the seminary for two years (thankfully he left, or else I wouldn't be here ).

The difference between Soft Cider and Apple Juice is that soft cider is more akin to Orange Juice with "some pulp" It doesn't go through a filtration process like Apple Juice does, so there are "pulpy" pieces of Apple in it. There is an Apple Orchard about an hour and a half from where I live, they press their apple cider on an old wine press and don't pasteurize it, meaning there is just enough bacteria and organisms to feed on sugars and raisins in my cider for me to ferment it .

 kronk wrote:
I don't like Strongbow.

He's probably one of my favorite wrestlers from that era.

Damn this phone.

 Alfndrate wrote:

In America we have Apple Juice (which is squeezed juice from an apple, who knew!), Apple Cider (apparently called Soft Cider, which is similar to apple juice just with less babying), and Hard Apple Cider (implying booze). Everyone in this thread is talking about Hard Apple Ciders, I am talking about taking unpasteurized Apple Cider, putting some raisins, a little brown sugar, and something else (yeast maybe?) and putting an airtight seal on it. Then let it sit for a few weeks. My dad did this when he was in the seminary for two years (thankfully he left, or else I wouldn't be here ).

The difference between Soft Cider and Apple Juice is that soft cider is more akin to Orange Juice with "some pulp" It doesn't go through a filtration process like Apple Juice does, so there are "pulpy" pieces of Apple in it. There is an Apple Orchard about an hour and a half from where I live, they press their apple cider on an old wine press and don't pasteurize it, meaning there is just enough bacteria and organisms to feed on sugars and raisins in my cider for me to ferment it .

Okay this smacks of America renaming stuff to me but I'm gonna let it ride this time. You can have a Hard Cider on me you little scamp, but you have to drink it in a park!

Mr. Burning wrote:I'm getting a thirst on reading this thread.

Cider isn't too bad but I find the darker it is the more of a headache I get.

I have been a convert to Magners pear, a delightful drink over ice.

Also had somewhat of a revelation on the weekend. I brought a Swedish mixed fruit cider on a whim. It was alcoholic fething Vimto. Vimto I tells you, the first bottle went down before I knew what was going on. 2nd and 3rd the same, before I paused and emptied my wallet to clear out the outdoors'* fridge.






* For non savvy dakkanauts Outdoor is another term for off licence or liquor store.

Interesting and dangerous fact: half a pint of port mixed with a bottle of blue WKD tastes like vimto and is my Rugby Tour drink of choice. There really should be a vomit orkimotion.

 notprop wrote:
Okay this smacks of America renaming stuff to me but I'm gonna let it ride this time. You can have a Hard Cider on me you little scamp, but you have to drink it in a park!

I'm well over the legal US drinking age I'm not doing this to circumvent drinking laws, I'm doing this because I'm bored . And it's not just the US, it's also Canada.

For taste has anyone tried rekorderlig pear cider, its delicious, not strong or anything but it tastes like it was made for gods and then someone stole it from them to give to us.

 notprop wrote:
Interesting and dangerous fact: half a pint of port mixed with a bottle of blue WKD tastes like vimto and is my Rugby Tour drink of choice. There really should be a vomit orkimotion.

Sounds like a cheeky vimto, those things are lethal.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
For taste has anyone tried rekorderlig pear cider, its delicious, not strong or anything but it tastes like it was made for gods and then someone stole it from them to give to us.

Hah, i've tried it, not usually a fan of pear stuff but it was alright, Westons Stowford Press is my favourite cider, i live about 30 mins from the brewery

On the topic of apple-derived beverages. . .



It claims to be apple flavored on the bottle, but the taste is somewhat closer to rancid corn syrup cut with listerine.

That doesn't even look appetizing or appealing.

 kronk wrote:
That doesn't even look appetizing or appealing.

It's not. The appeal lies entirely in the fact that it's 2 bucks a bottle.

I think it's a good sign that given the choice between that substance and not drinking, I would choose the latter.

 notprop wrote:
Heathen, Your biscuit is a scone.

This is why the Queen doesn't allow you to have the secrets of good beer, tis a punishment for naming things wrong.

No this is a Scone:




The Biscuit is made with buttermilk, and you put butter on it and have it with breakfast.

Sometimes you smother it in sausage gravy and eat it for breakfast with a side of bacon.


And since we are talking about booze and breakfast. Behold the Epic Breakfast.

Gravy on a biscuit?

No wonder Gordon Ramsey spends his time over there swearing at you!

By the way you scone appears to be a cake?

 DeathReaper wrote:

And since we are talking about booze and breakfast. Behold the Epic Breakfast.

Spoiler:

I forgot about this. Classic stuff. I actually made pancakes with Jack Daniels syrup for a friend of mine for breakfast after his bachelor party. It took quite a while to mull the whisky, but the outcome was pretty amazing tasting, and I don't even like Jack.

 Monster Rain wrote:
I think it's a good sign that given the choice between that substance and not drinking, I would choose the latter.

Aha! That was a test; now we all know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are not a debased, bum wine-swilling alcoholic homeless man and/or destitute student. Your lack of a secret is out!

Well we know he's not wine swilling anyway, the rest still seems up for grabs to me.

 notprop wrote:
Well we know he's not wine swilling anyway, the rest still seems up for grabs to me.

On the other hand, you may want to swill some wine yourself if you're going to be grabbing that. But hey, I don't judge other guy's tastes in internet strangers.

 Alfndrate wrote:
In America we have Apple Juice (which is squeezed juice from an apple, who knew!), Apple Cider (apparently called Soft Cider, which is similar to apple juice just with less babying), and Hard Apple Cider (implying booze). Everyone in this thread is talking about Hard Apple Ciders, I am talking about taking unpasteurized Apple Cider, putting some raisins, a little brown sugar, and something else (yeast maybe?) and putting an airtight seal on it. Then let it sit for a few weeks. My dad did this when he was in the seminary for two years (thankfully he left, or else I wouldn't be here ).

The difference between Soft Cider and Apple Juice is that soft cider is more akin to Orange Juice with "some pulp" It doesn't go through a filtration process like Apple Juice does, so there are "pulpy" pieces of Apple in it. There is an Apple Orchard about an hour and a half from where I live, they press their apple cider on an old wine press and don't pasteurize it, meaning there is just enough bacteria and organisms to feed on sugars and raisins in my cider for me to ferment it .

Going by this description - you don't have anything approaching a proper (scrumpy) cider, and what you call "hard" cider is about as hard as Mike's Hard Lemonade, right...? If that's the case, I do feel sorry for what you're missing out on.
This is the kinda stuff I mean:

That reminds me of The Fantastic Mr. Fox.

You Brits may have cider, but we have something even better:

 Super Ready wrote:

Going by this description - you don't have anything approaching a proper (scrumpy) cider, and what you call "hard" cider is about as hard as Mike's Hard Lemonade, right...? If that's the case, I do feel sorry for what you're missing out on.
This is the kinda stuff I mean:

Spoiler:

Um... Not exactly. Hard doesn't mean no harder than a mike's hard lemonade. Hard generally means, "alcoholic". So if you look at that jug you linked, it's 7.5%ABV, or 15 proof. Compare that to the Hornsby's 5.5% average (between their three main brands), Woodchuck averages around 5.5% as well. *shrugs* It doesn't really matter, "chain" breweries in the US average around 5 (Budweiser, the "King of Beers" is 5.0%) The average beer I drink is 7+. So ciders are a little bit stronger than your average beer here in the states.

Ooh, you get beers upwards of 5% now? Either that's changed since I last checked or I've had a very cruel stereotyping trick played on me. Either way, NICE.

Speaking of nice beers, I can't wait to get to the uni holidays and make a trip (a few trips) into the city to reacquaint myself with...



Because they have nice beer. And lots of it.

We have a local company's apple cider that is 8% IIRC. Pretty good stuff, although I am sadly nowhere near a bottle to verify that percentage

A friend of my family once shared some of his homemade wine with us over Christmas. I swear that stuff had to have been at LEAST 30%. I about choked on it going down from the shock.

 Grey Templar wrote:
We have a local company's apple cider that is 8% IIRC. Pretty good stuff, although I am sadly nowhere near a bottle to verify that percentage

A friend of my family once shared some of his homemade wine with us over Christmas. I swear that stuff had to have been at LEAST 30%. I about choked on it going down from the shock.

We had a Ukranian neighbour who used to distill his own vodka. I was so young at the time (mid primary school) that I didn't know the differences in alcohol or anything, and my brother and I kept pestering dad to give us some because everyone was toasting and being loud. I have no proof of this but I'm pretty sure he gave us about 3 drops in a shot glass of water. Still enough to have us gasping (ahh to be young and innocent again). He gave me a bottle of it later in life and I drank it with my friends at some point during high school, and we finished about half of it and then kind of forgot about it in a friend's freezer. Cue 4 years later we are playing poker and run out of booze. He cracks open his freezer and way in the back is an old, familiar bottle...Jesus I don't know if alcohol like that can get worse over the years, or if my taste just improved, but it seemed more potent. It was ridiculous, practically rocket fuel.

My mom has an unopened bottle of corn liquor sitting in the kitchen that's going on 50 years old. Its really just decoration but its still full of liquid. I'm very tempted to open it and see what it tastes like. Or if it will immediately evaporate

 rubiksnoob wrote:
You Brits may have cider, but we have something even better:

Spoiler:

You've quite clearly never heard of what my dad likes to call 'Holy water'

Protip-Don't breathe near it.

 Super Ready wrote:
Ooh, you get beers upwards of 5% now? Either that's changed since I last checked or I've had a very cruel stereotyping trick played on me. Either way, NICE.

You're quite the cheeky donkey-cave tonight .

But yeah, the "average" American beer (i.e. found fething everywhere) averages at 5% or so. There are stronger beers here, in fact this bad boy would knock you on your arse:



A Russian Imperial stout that's 15%abv (30 proof), is a dark as night, thick as motor oil and tastes like glorious dark beer, chocolate, and red wine (due to the fact they age it for a bit in a wine cask).

I've only had it once in my life, it changed me... before I met the Dark Lord, I looked like this:


Now I look like this:


Seriously though, there is no need for beer, wine, or booze snobbery in general... Unless someone says they like Mike's Hard, Zima, or light beers... We all just enjoy booze.

[quote=Seriously though, there is no need for beer, wine, or booze snobbery in general... Unless someone says they like Mike's Hard, Zima, or light beers... We all just enjoy booze.

I've had a thought along the OP.

Beer before hooker , always a looker?

 Super Ready wrote:
Ooh, you get beers upwards of 5% now? Either that's changed since I last checked or I've had a very cruel stereotyping trick played on me. Either way, NICE.

The last 5-10 years here have seen an influx in microbeers, which is basically a fancy way of saying, "expensive good beer".

There's a bar two blocks from me that sells nothing weaker than 5.5%. Most of their beverages are in the 8%-15% range. I've woken up a couple times from going up there in my bed not remembering leaving.

Concerning cider, we have a thing here (mostly homemade) which involves a crockpot, everclear (90% alcohol), cinnamon sticks, and what is normally nonalcoholic cider, which is basically spiced non-pasturized pressed apples. The latter you can normally only get in the fall during apple season, but the entire concoction is divine, and something I make every year for Halloween. It is certainly not for either, the weak of heart, or those with low fortitude saves.

All this talk of strong ciders reminds me of a perry I had at a local beer festival.

Picture a hot summers sunday afternoon in a leafy pub garden and and Englishman and his South African friend trying to out drink each other. Progressively more diverse ales and ciders were chosen and quaffed until while chatting to the barmaid she revealed they still had a cask of perry from last year that was 18% when laid down the year before.

Man! that stuff was like a cross between acetone and pear drops, but because we were sort of competing at that point neither of us would admit it was foul and kept drinking it. Two pints we had, all i can remember is being served a fantastic rib and noodles dish and not being able to taste anything at all. I think I was asleep by tea time!

 Alfndrate wrote:
You're quite the cheeky donkey-cave tonight .

Generally - yes, absolutely. But that one comment was genuine. I'm really pleased you guys can get proper beer now. In fact, I've had Dark Lord once... and yeah, potent isn't it?!

Strongbow just is not very good for Hard Ciders, Angry Orchard is the way to go.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Strongbow just is not very good for Hard Ciders, Angry Orchard is the way to go.

I'm Kronk and I approve this message.

daedalus wrote:Concerning cider, we have a thing here (mostly homemade) which involves a crockpot, everclear (90% alcohol), cinnamon sticks, and what is normally nonalcoholic cider, which is basically spiced non-pasturized pressed apples. The latter you can normally only get in the fall during apple season, but the entire concoction is divine, and something I make every year for Halloween. It is certainly not for either, the weak of heart, or those with low fortitude saves.

We call it Apple Pie over here in Ohio... I don't get drunk off of it D: For my birthday, one of my fraternity brothers (a man who is on the verge of being a "good ole boy" if you know what I mean) made me a bottle of this stuff, I drank the whole bottle that night, and was stone cold sober (didn't drive, wouldn't think of driving after having more than a glass of booze just in case), and the only thing I had was a freaking sugar rush

Super Ready wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You're quite the cheeky donkey-cave tonight .

Generally - yes, absolutely. But that one comment was genuine. I'm really pleased you guys can get proper beer now. In fact, I've had Dark Lord once... and yeah, potent isn't it?!

You certainly haven't been to America recently In the past 6 years, I've been enjoying microbreweries, and they tend to not go below 5.5% but most of them average more than that. We Americans have certainly developed quite the beer culture in (I want to say) the past 15 years or so. Also, how the feth did you get Dark Lord? It's available once a year, I was only lucky enough to have it because I went to a beer tasting in Chicago at a web developer's conference I was attending .

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Strongbow just is not very good for Hard Ciders, Angry Orchard is the way to go.

That's the third one I was trying to think of .

My ex from the UK smuggled me a bottle of this once.




I don't remember much, but I think it was good...

 Alfndrate wrote:

daedalus wrote:Concerning cider, we have a thing here (mostly homemade) which involves a crockpot, everclear (90% alcohol), cinnamon sticks, and what is normally nonalcoholic cider, which is basically spiced non-pasturized pressed apples. The latter you can normally only get in the fall during apple season, but the entire concoction is divine, and something I make every year for Halloween. It is certainly not for either, the weak of heart, or those with low fortitude saves.

We call it Apple Pie over here in Ohio... I don't get drunk off of it D: For my birthday, one of my fraternity brothers (a man who is on the verge of being a "good ole boy" if you know what I mean) made me a bottle of this stuff, I drank the whole bottle that night, and was stone cold sober (didn't drive, wouldn't think of driving after having more than a glass of booze just in case), and the only thing I had was a freaking sugar rush

Maybe he mulled it too long? I had a galleon jug of the stuff that absolutely destroyed about 5 people at a party once. Admittedly, they weren't drinkers, but still...

 daedalus wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

daedalus wrote:Concerning cider, we have a thing here (mostly homemade) which involves a crockpot, everclear (90% alcohol), cinnamon sticks, and what is normally nonalcoholic cider, which is basically spiced non-pasturized pressed apples. The latter you can normally only get in the fall during apple season, but the entire concoction is divine, and something I make every year for Halloween. It is certainly not for either, the weak of heart, or those with low fortitude saves.

We call it Apple Pie over here in Ohio... I don't get drunk off of it D: For my birthday, one of my fraternity brothers (a man who is on the verge of being a "good ole boy" if you know what I mean) made me a bottle of this stuff, I drank the whole bottle that night, and was stone cold sober (didn't drive, wouldn't think of driving after having more than a glass of booze just in case), and the only thing I had was a freaking sugar rush

Maybe he mulled it too long? I had a galleon jug of the stuff that absolutely destroyed about 5 people at a party once. Admittedly, they weren't drinkers, but still...

Possibly, but he doesn't get drunk on it either (this is also a guy that passed field sobriety after 19 shots of Jack Daniels and blew a .08). There are other people that have a glass of it, and they're feeling pretty good... I'm not an Legendary drinker, but I can hold my own for awhile (2 summers, I could put down half a bottle of jack and then would find myself up until 6 in the morning), but I have seen people obliterated by the same batch that my bottle was in. And when I say bottle, I mean a fifth .

 Super Ready wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
In America we have Apple Juice (which is squeezed juice from an apple, who knew!), Apple Cider (apparently called Soft Cider, which is similar to apple juice just with less babying), and Hard Apple Cider (implying booze). Everyone in this thread is talking about Hard Apple Ciders, I am talking about taking unpasteurized Apple Cider, putting some raisins, a little brown sugar, and something else (yeast maybe?) and putting an airtight seal on it. Then let it sit for a few weeks. My dad did this when he was in the seminary for two years (thankfully he left, or else I wouldn't be here ).

The difference between Soft Cider and Apple Juice is that soft cider is more akin to Orange Juice with "some pulp" It doesn't go through a filtration process like Apple Juice does, so there are "pulpy" pieces of Apple in it. There is an Apple Orchard about an hour and a half from where I live, they press their apple cider on an old wine press and don't pasteurize it, meaning there is just enough bacteria and organisms to feed on sugars and raisins in my cider for me to ferment it .

Going by this description - you don't have anything approaching a proper (scrumpy) cider, and what you call "hard" cider is about as hard as Mike's Hard Lemonade, right...? If that's the case, I do feel sorry for what you're missing out on.
This is the kinda stuff I mean:

Wow, that looks amazing, I've never tried scrumpy, is it one of the best?

Alfndrate wrote:You certainly haven't been to America recently In the past 6 years, I've been enjoying microbreweries, and they tend to not go below 5.5% but most of them average more than that. We Americans have certainly developed quite the beer culture in (I want to say) the past 15 years or so. Also, how the feth did you get Dark Lord? It's available once a year, I was only lucky enough to have it because I went to a beer tasting in Chicago at a web developer's conference I was attending .

Actually, I've never been but I speak to American friends fairly regularly and my girlfriend moved here from the States about 14 years ago. So I can tell you it's not been as long as 15 years, at least not in Minnesota... but with conversations with those friends, booze doesn't exactly always get brought up, so yes I'd easily miss it.

I had Dark Lord here in the UK at a beer and ale festival - there's a body called CAMRA (CAMpaign for Real Ale) that runs them, and two week-long ones in particular, where there are a lot of guest beers and specialties, one-offs and yes, foreign beers that you just *cannot* find elsewhere in the country. I've also had its spiritual successor, Supreme Overlord, which is even worse better.

unmercifulconker wrote:Wow, that looks amazing, I've never tried scrumpy, is it one of the best?

It is indeed. "Scrumpy" is the type of cider, though there are a lot of sellers that use the word in their brand's name, "Scrumpy Jack" being probably the most widely-known here. It's cloudy and still, but also tastes much stronger (which can be more bitter and/or sweeter) so I guess you could say - scrumpy is to fizzy cider as cloudy lemonade is to Sprite.

 rubiksnoob wrote:
You Brits may have cider, but we have something even better:

Spoiler:

The American version of Poitín
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poit%C3%ADn

Did someone say poutine?

My cat made a pile of something that looked like that after eating his soft food too fast.

There's a place near us that does something similar called Disco Fries - fries, cheese, gravy, slices of roast beef and mushrooms. It's pretty good