Commander Farsight = Horus?

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. Even though Comamnder Farsight is seen as radical I dont think that the Tau will ever fall into Chaos. Aren't the Tau uncorruptable because of their lack of psychic ability or something? You might just end up with pirate Tau in the Farsight case.

Well, that sword IS alien.

Chaos Tau would be like Doom Rider jumping his Bike of DOOM over a Catachan Devil Shark Devil.

That being said, everything is corruptible.

Who's to say the Tau empire isn't already corrupt? What is the true objective of the Ethereals? How do they inspire such unthinking loyalty from the Tau? Where do they come from, since they haven't always been among the Tau?  What is the "Greater Good", and who benefits from this objective, ultimately?

Farsight could be one of the few truly free Tau in existence, having escaped the influence of the Ethereals.

Yay Alpha Tau!

Lord Sutekh: I miss the flaming avatar.

On the note of being uncorruptable if you have read or played Fire Warrior then I direct you to Govener Severus near the end where he is trying to corrupt the etheral but can't because of no psychic ability. I recall Severus saying "A race with no potential for corruption, how boring."

Malfred: It's long since lost...  I haven't found anything worthy to replace it, recently.

I think O'Shova's Blade is of C'Tan Orgin.
but Chaos Tau? I think Tau Pirates is the right Idea. uh-oh, conversion Ideas coming up.

I remember reading a theory that the dawn blade was actually one of the blades that Vaul forged for Khaine for the battle with Nightbringer.

I don't think they will go chaotic, but capitalistic maybe. Tau Pirates/Mercenaries would definately be the way to go.

Selling tech to the highest bidder is not that far fetched.

And the Tau Empire is dry isn't it? I can totally see Tau Pirates raiding Imperial shipping lanes for kegs of amasec.

In the fluff mankind wasn't always psychic. I think the Emperor's creation was in reaction to humanity becoming a psychic race, but the old old fluff is hazy in my brain. Anyway, my point is that if races evolve or ascend into psychic ability, then maybe the Tau will one day. And on that day Tzeetch will laugh. Actually, he's probably laughing now as he can anticipate all. He's probably orchistrating the great Tau racial enlightenment as we speak, or type. So the answer is yes. There will be chaos Tau, and they will be dust filled crisis suits with two wounds.

Something I learned from my own post is that creation and reaction are the same word but with the c in a different place. Does that have any significance whatsoever? Probably not. But it might...

Posted By malfred on 03/29/2006 12:04 AM
Yay Alpha Tau!

Is that a sorority?

>>And the Tau Empire is dry isn't it? ...

No, in the early Codex the story of the Tal'Issera rite clearly shows they neck a glass of hard liquor to seal the knot.

I don't really see it. The lure of Chaos is a uniquely human threat. There aren't really Chaos Orks, or Chaos [Dark] Eldar, or Chaos Tyranids, or Chaos Necrons. The threat of the daemon, while occaisionaly combined with the threat of the xenos, is distinct thematically from the dangers presented by space aliens.

Chaos Tau would also undermine the Tau Empire's position as a socio-political foil to the Imperium. To sum up, it would just dilute the differences between the two races. Codex: Chaos Tau is basically just LatD with better equipment from a gameplay perspective.

Finally there's a lot of reasons within the fluff to discourage it. The Tau would never willingly or knowingly serve Chaos (though by attacking the Imperium they do indirectly further the aims of the Chaotic Legions, sometimes).

If Shovah is the thing you're interested in, I still think 8 man Crisis teams of "Blood Brothers" is a coincidence. It's unlike GW to resolve such ambiguities clearly-- Farsight's motives and reasons will probably never be made clear. The Dawn Blade is the Eldar Anaris, anyway.

By disbelieving Tzeetch's plan you just play into it. The Tausand Sons are coming. They even have birdlike minions already. And just because there isn't Codex:Chaos Orks, and Codex: Chaos Eldar, doesn't mean that there aren't orks and eldar that worship chaos. There are plenty of Khorne orks, and the eldar were chaotic enough to birth one of the chaos gods.

"The lure of Chaos is a uniquely human threat. There aren't really Chaos Orks, or Chaos [Dark] Eldar, or Chaos Tyranids, or Chaos Necrons."

Considering the Eldar's fall brought about Slaanesh, I disagree that Chaos ia a "uniquely human threat".

Remember the Genestealer cult from way back? Before Tim Huckellnuts got necroed the list, it was a Chaos/Genestealer cult allowing you to use demons and beastmen as well as options to mark your hybrids and what not. Basically, the Patriarch and/or Magus made a pact with the Devil.

I think Chaos Tau would be a long stretch gamin-wise. Basically, you'd enable the, arguably, shootiest army to get CC monsters, effectively cancelling the Tau's biggest weakness.

Pirates, on the other hand, not only sound like a good idea, but a great theme for the future.

I remember something about reasons for demon hunters to fight orcs, that orcs found a statue of nurgle and worshipped it, because they thought it was Gork (or Mork).
and, in the same Codex, there is a really nice picture of mutated Orcs, now look at that and tell me there isn't something as Chaos Orcs.
and if you play with the rules for adverseries in exactly this Codex, every Army fighting Demonhunters can have lesser and Greater Demons with them.
mmh...Chaos Orcs...

I say there aren't really Chaos Eldar/Orks/Tyranids not because such instances can't be found in the fluff (they can) but they simply aren't something that's focused on.

Humans > Chaos Humans

Humans > Xenos

Xenos > Chaos Xenos

You have time to fit Chaos Xenos in there? Think about how much the Imperium dominates all the fluff, then you have a good bit of Chaos and Xenos when we get bored with humans. A sidebar in an Inquisition codex and a couple of conversions posted online (there are actually some on GW's website, of Chaos-possessed Crisis Suits and Ethereals) does not a significant portion of the background make.

The defining characteristic of the Tau is 40k's version of futurist, utopian unity. The United Federation of Planets, The Republic, etc; a la the Grim Darkness of the Far Future.

We have Chaos Tau....Aun'Va, the power hungry megalomaniac geriatric.

O'shovah was a hero, loved primarily by the military, who he could have easily led a coupe with. He reports his ethereal is killed against unknown enemy....They send no help. O'shovah gets annoyed and rejects the empire, Aun'Va is suddenly safe in his position again.

Aun'Shi is worshipped by firewarriors for his actions by thier side, Aun'Va feels threatened once more and has him go on a mission to track farsight down getting him out of the picture too.

Now he has his puppet Shadowsun acting as his Shas Representative, an iron grip around the Empire.

Dead to the space pope, servant of Tzeentch!

Hmm the idea of chaso tau doesn't work cause of what most people have pointed out the lack of pyschic potential, basically the entire tau race or psychic blanks which means they will never become a pyschic race or if they will not for a very great period of time.

the idea that O'shavah is curropted by  chaos is not entirely unfounded the weapon for one thing... as weapons have been noted in 40k fluff to channel pyschic energy or a channel.which could lead to psychic potential in the recipient..
Although the likely thing seems to be its of either C'tan or Necrontyr origin...

one thing for sure is that there definetly is chaos Kroot

If they were completely blank psionically, then shouldn't they all have the Soulless rule like Necron Pariahs and Culexus Assassins?

Also, why must there be a connection between psychics and chaos worship? Khorne worshippers aren't psychic. They're just psycho. You don't have to have psychic powers to worship something. I think it is a small fraction of Jesus worshiping Christians who have psychic powers.

They're not souless, or complete blanks, they just have a very limited warp presence. To use the popular flame image, as viewed from the warp, your average human would have a presence that resembled something like a torch. A psyker's mind would, depending on your PoV either look like a bonfire, or a big neon sign announcing, "Here's lunch!" Next to those, a Tau's presence appears as no more than an dully glowing match head. Not much potential for warp power there, nor anything to attract the attention of warp entitites where there are so many bigger, brighter lights out there to distract them.

If you want some more info, check out the Xenology thread in this forum.

Spoiler (it's white, so highlight it to read):

In the book Xenology, evidence is that the Eldar created the Tau, presumably to have a non-corruptible opponent to fight against Chaos.  You won't be seeing Chaos Tau; there's no "handle" for Chaos to grab a hold of, so to speak.

I think I'm going to have to get that book, it sounds too cool.

It's interesting though, that it seems like Chaos has to seek people out, rather than people choosing Chaos. If that's the case, then it would make sense that Tau are incorruptible by Chaos, in their current unpsychic state. But it does seem strange to me that people can't go looking for Chaos without being invited or tempted first. I would think that there are some people who would choose to worship Chaos on their own, without the gods picking out their warp presence. If it's possible for the worshipper to initiate the "relationship" then I still think it should be possible for Tau to turn to chaos.

Also, Chaos mutates. So isn't it possible that Chaos baddies (probably Tzeentch) could mutate some Tau into psychic beings, and then corrupt them? Granted, that's a stretch, but Tzeentch's plans are grand and far reaching.

After all of this debating I may have to convert some Tausand Sons. But I have too many projects already! This is why I never finish armies...

While this might be a tad off topic, with Aun'va and Commander Shadowsun lining up to take on O'Shovah, there is TREMENDOUS potential for an enormous civil war within the Tau empire. In that sense, O'Shovah will become his own race's "Horus" (Or "Emperor", if he breaks his hoof off the collective *donkey*of Aun'va and Shadowsun)

How awsome would Tau civil war be! Especially if they make it a campaign! The chance for people to decide whether they want the happy facade of the Ethereals, or another grim darkness clone in the warlike Tau of O'Shovah.

my Vote on Ol' Farsight.
problem with tau civil war is... which of the other races would be interested. okay, orcs. and Chaos. but no Empire.
I defintly like the Idea of such a campaign

I just wanted to post a picture of this official GW conversion-




If that's not a chaos Tau, I don't know what is.

Looks like some poor old battlesuit got an implating attack from some nid monster.

Yay for Tau civil war...maybe then they might stop advancing with everything.

After some off-board discussion, I concede the point of Tau corruption.  I think it's possible (they have a very small warp presence), but it'll be much harder than the other races.

Problem with Chaos Tau isn't their lack of psychics, it's their inability to grasp the concept of deities. There's a story in an older WD about Tau fighting Slaanesh worshippers, with the Tau believing Slaanesh to be some sort of warlord they follow. When they sneak up on the Chaos worshippers in the middle of a ritual/mass/whathaveyou, they can't even comprehend what's going on. When they finally find out that Slaanesh isn't a warlord but some unseen spiritual entity, it's just written off by the Tau commander as a rediculous alien concept that further supports the belief all should be enveloped in the Greater Good.

Although, there's a section of the story where some Kroot eat some Chaos worshippers or Daemons(it's unclear which) and are corrupted into worshippers of Slaanesh, so it appears Kroot are even more susceptable to Chaos than humans.

yes, but that's only because humans don't eat everthing they find on the floor. especially if its pink with lots of tentacles

The Tau just need proper reeducating. We'll have to send chaos 'missionaries' to teach them about the true gods. Slaanesh cultists especially love missionary. Work. Missionary work. Yes.

In the 40K universe, gods aren't "spiritual beings" as such, they are an organised collection of forces existing within the warp space dimension. Perhaps like bundles of cosmic superstrings or something.

These forces can to some extent be manipulated by mechanical devices such as the Geller Field and Warp Drive, and by mental/biological abilities which are based on genetic, i.e. biological, organic structures presumably in the brain.

The Tau are therefore correct to dismiss the "Chaos Gods religion" as superstition, but they have not realised that the gods actually do exist in a physical sense. Once they realise that, it will be theoretically possible for them to develop anti-Chaos machinery to defend against such forces.

Of course, during the course of the research there could be an appalling accident...

Posted By The Crawling Chaos on 04/07/2006 5:58 PM
I just wanted to post a picture of this official GW conversion-




If that's not a chaos Tau, I don't know what is.

Looks like Chaos Spawn was cast on  the Tau. I don't think Chaos Spawn uses curruption, I think it just mutates.

This is an analogy from someone who worked on the codex....

"Think of the warp like a blanket. The presence of a soul is the size of the hole in the blanket. The power is the amount of light.

A human would be like a bullet hole with a normal bulb behind it.
An Eldar would be a baseball sized hole with a flouresent bulb behind it.
A Tau would be a pinprick with a Laser light shining through."

The Tau have a minimal warp presence, but they contain a great deal of power. The fact they live such short lives means this light is only on for the briefest of seconds, which makes it near impossible for Chaos to see (perhaps a safety measure put in place specifically to stop them being corrupted by chaos).

He also said the quote of Aun'Va "so short is the light of my children, but it Burns so bright" is reference to this, even though Aun'Va doesn't really know it.

I do remember in the book 'Fire Warrios' it did have a short segment toward the end where Kais started to fall to Chaos, even giving a "Blood for the Blood God" shout during the final controntation. From the bits and pieces in that book, it seems like they were alluding that Ethereals were incorruptible, but not your regular Tau.

-Hans

In the new Black Gobbo, there's a section on O'Shova that hypothesizes what happened to him. One of the writers/converters in the article thought that he might have been tainted not by chaos, but by the Necrons which would make a lot of sense. The reference to the ruins of a pre-human civilization where an unknown enemy killed all of the etherials does sound like it could be Necrons. And the technology of the Necrons would probably appeal to the Tau, and the lack of psionics wouldn't be an issue. It's an interesting theory. I wonder if the prehuman civilization could have been the Necrontyr's original homeworld, back when they still had fleshy parts.

which leads back to the question where he did get his sword. I still vote C'Tan.
but why would Necrons kill only the etherals? If there wasn't a C'Tan to guide them, the Necs would be on this whole destroy-all-living-things track. hmm, maybe Ol' Farsight sended the Etherals in first. "look, Aun. a new Race to integrate into the Empire. you should greet them, as a sign of peace."

back to that whole blanket hole theory. how big would be Ork holes?

I think Tau as an instrument of the C'tan falls in between chaos curruption and pirates. You know, the C'tan got tired of their overly nappy necron servants so they somehow got a handhold on the Tau, and its just a matter of time until the right one wakes up and sets them to work. A C'tan with servants who can interface with the warp *shudders*. Alternatively he just gives them FTL travel devices simiair to those used by necrons and has the ethereals put a more peoweful version of what necron obelisks do inside every Tau structure to the same affect as the Necrons Obelisk feilds. :0

this reminded me of this.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/tau/converting-farsight/3/

Cron-tau.

They would just get eaten by the Tyranids 10 years later, anyway.

interesting

............. no...

Lol, nice guy. Now all the Tau need to do is learn to dance!

Well ........ I'm working on a wee 1000 point "gently mutated but definitely spooky" tau army. Things are pretty tame so far, just suffering uninvited armor modifications and some distressing physical mutations. Their minds are unaffected, but they are getting pretty freaked out by the whole affair. Things get even spookier when I get the "OH MY CRAP THE TENTACLES!" ninja shas'o done ...

- Salvage

Seriously, is it necessary to revive 2-year old threads?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Ozymandias wrote:Seriously, is it necessary to revive 2-year old threads?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

maby.....

Every necromancer needs to start somewhere.

To quote GuyWithHorns, who came up with the greatest Chaos recruitment slogan I've ever heard of, "Come to Chaos... we have cookies..."

I doubt you'll get Chaos Tau in the same sense of the Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines. They haven't been subjected to the Warp so as yet can't be currupted in the same manner.

But I imagine they'll expand the whole Farsight theme and come up with something like Rebel Tau. Same models and stats, just different restrictions to units and wargear, possibly taking some wargear away and adding new stuff that normal Tau can't use.
(Farsight's Blade and his 7man Crisis bodyguard team but he can't take etherals for example)

As stated earlier the Tau were probably created as an uncorruptable force in the galaxy as a regulatory measure. Also it was said that Kroot can become corrupted by eating chaos victims. This makes a lot of sense since the Kroot have gaps in there DNA which allows them to be corrupted down to there very genetic structure. The Tau are fully aware of this and always hunt down and kill any Kroot involved in a Chaos battle. What I think is more realistic is that the Tau will eventually absorb a more psychic race into the Empire so they can utilize the warp for travel.

I think I'd call that converted battlesuit a crisis suit with daemonic possession. The pilot may not have been possessed (granted he most likely did'nt live either)Kinda like a defiler or the upcomming soulgrinder. Mutated hull anyone?

Chamleoneyes wrote:Mutated hull anyone?

Tau Shas'O Guy, reading a pamphlet printed on the skins of babies: "Am I reading this right? AV14 vehicles are part of the standard package?"
Chaos Guy With Horns & Skulls: "Yep. Cookie?"
Tau Shas'O Guy, chewing thoughtfully: "Hmm ..."

- Salvage

You know, it took thousands of years for humans to be affected by chaos, maybe Tau aren't spared the same but are simply too young a race to have been so dramatically affected.

maybe but that also goes back to the light behind a blanket analogy.

Yay chaos Tau lets kill them all.......hey........wait I play Tau DOH!

There already have been "chaos" Taus, that's before the ethereals arrived and Tau nearly destroyed themselves.

The greater good shall save all

thats chaos in a different sense of the word. there have never been warp-affected Tau.

I prefer Necron-Tau over Chaos-Tau. Especially with Iorek's spoiler.

Ya I agree. For the Tau to become the new Necrons seems much more plausible than them becoming agents of Chaos.

The Tau are the good guys of 40k!!!

The way i see it Tau aren't really that really that good of a race in the sense of them being "Good Guys." They tend to kill anything that doesn't conform to their idea of the Greater Good. Their greater good isn't really that good for anybody but the Tau as well. I remember my friend beating the Dawn of War Campaign with Tau and them preventing humans colonies under their control from reproducing and other stuff like that.....If i remember correctly. As far as them being susceptible to Chaos or not, either way its not fun to imagine a greater good that involves anything good for Chaos.

A pal of mine plays Tau and according to him Farsight has gone to the Necrons not Chaos.

I really enjoyed the idea that Farsight is a political tool of the empire, used to do jobs that the Ethereals can't for political reasons, and fight in a manner that goes against the Greater Good philosophy when needed. Who came up with that? Was it Kilkrazy?

Mazzicus wrote:The way i see it Tau aren't really that really that good of a race in the sense of them being "Good Guys." They tend to kill anything that doesn't conform to their idea of the Greater Good. Their greater good isn't really that good for anybody but the Tau as well.

Sound familiar? *cough* Imperium of Man *cough*

Besides the Tau only kill those who don't agree with them if it's necessary. The Tau always try negotiations first.

Hammerziet wrote:A pal of mine plays Tau and according to him Farsight has gone to the Necrons not Chaos.

He's getting that from another thread on here about who Farsight is really aligned with and that is completely speculation. The general consensus is that the Dawn Blade is either of Eldar or C'Tan origin.

Back on topic anyways I think in the end it will be up to GW to pull something stupid out of their a$$ as to the Tau and whether or not they go Chaos. IMHO I don't think they should let them go Chaos cuz to me anyways it kinda goes against the whole Tau being uncorruptable because of their lack of a warp presence. It would kinda ruin the feel of the Tau for me.

thesuperiorninja wrote:Sound familiar? *cough* Imperium of Man *cough*

Besides the Tau only kill those who don't agree with them if it's necessary. The Tau always try negotiations first.

Exactly, funny how so many people defends religious fundementalism, xenophobia and genocide culture of the Imperium, yet try to find everyway to demonise the Tau. I think the only way to prevent the human race from being wiped out by the Nidz or the necrons is by joining with the empire.

Tau doesn't even force you to live their way, Kroot are great examples.

I didn't need to demonise Tau.They are the "too good to be true guys" already. Sooner or later they will fall under the rule of C'Tan.
The only sure fact is: Chaos Tau = Cron Tau = :S at 50k ?

See, the necron will join with Tau,so Tau is not a secure place to stand against C'Tan.
The nids try to consume everything,but attack from multiple sides.No way for little empires to defend a vast galaxy.
Tau have not the numbers,ressources or space travel technology to achieve more than to rescue their own @$$.
Allies will be undefended if they cannot fight for themself.If they can,they don't need Tau.

not quite. The Tau will defend their allies if they can. And that was Gangsta's point. If they would all just join the Empire, or at least let it coexist with them, the Imperium would have a much better chance of fighting off the Nids or Crons.

The Imperium ignored the Tau,so they had the chance to rise and prosper.
(remember the explorators had already found the homeworld of Tau before the Tau used any form of technology.)

Coexistance is in no case a matter for the imperium,its way was even before heresy to take out any xenos.

And the chances of the imperium vs crons or nids doesn't depend on their relations to Tau.
If its necessary,the imperial forces concentrate on those 2 threats,something that happened when they redraw from Tau worlds
to go against nids.Also nids or cron care not whom to fight,the only relative clear on them is that nids evade cron tomb-worlds.

How a little uprising empire should help a imperium with over a million (inhabited) worlds is far from any realism.To even mention
that the imperium may "join" a organization so small (needs no FTL-drive to cross) is a bad joke. The ability to defend wide spread
allies or help to defend is not existent for Tau yet.As I've said before,you need: Warp-engines or tech like the webway to move in
time,the military strenght and ressources to support even decade-long campaigns,a reason to team up;

Sorry,but gangstas point doesn't cover any of the three.

IMHO there is enough unwanted expirience by imperial citizens of unfriendly xenos.
Try to convince someone that heard or witnessed Dark Eldar raids,Nids attacking,Necrons silently moving,a ork waagh,eldar tricks,
the ruinous powers and their slaves or any other nightmare of your good intentions.
The xenophobia is ingrained in humans,bad luck for Tau when sellin their "greater good" to them.


Where Tau stand for game-settings,thats another question.They may play the neutral part in a allies chart.
Many Tau players = own side. Few Tau players = get moved to smaller side.
Sometimes this will lead to combined forces of Tau and Humans.

The one advantage I could see of the Imperium fusing with the Tau is better technology. Now obviously that would never happen with their religious fanaticism towards the Machine Spirit. But it even says in the codex that Tau technology often matches and even surpasses Imperium tech.

So Tau hightech exceeds imperial lowtech?
Remember that the ritualism about the machine-god prevents humans from inventing anything.
The last 10k years were spent with use of misunderstood STC technology.
The STC is human lowtech to support colonists in need (stretched support lines) and not normal or hightech.
The only way to win against the surrounding threats will be recovery of own hightech.

Tau tech is nice but it supports their fighting style,not what humans are about.
As far i went into tau fluff,they add needed or compatible fighting types to their force.
Humans are to stubborn to obey orders from xenos,so any shas'o wouldn't have fun with them.
Humans also have some psykers,and the number of new psykers is said to be rising year by year.
Tau doesn't use psykers or have any concept of them.Any psyker using his abilities in combat surely would
look weird to tech-loving tau.
Humans have titan legions and astartes to fight for them.
Tau doesn't use oversized warmachines or gene-enhanced warriors.
Humans use FTL -drives,tau not.
Humans can use their faith to hold positions where others ran.Tau have no moral modifier.

Better technology? please make some examples

Codex smart one.

necron tau: dfinately possible
chaos tau: possible but unlikely

1hadhq wrote:
Tau tech is nice but it supports their fighting style,not what humans are about.
As far i went into tau fluff,they add needed or compatible fighting types to their force.
Humans are to stubborn to obey orders from xenos,so any shas'o wouldn't have fun with them.
Humans also have some psykers,and the number of new psykers is said to be rising year by year.
Tau doesn't use psykers or have any concept of them.Any psyker using his abilities in combat surely would
look weird to tech-loving tau.
Humans have titan legions and astartes to fight for them.
Tau doesn't use oversized warmachines or gene-enhanced warriors.
Humans use FTL -drives,tau not.
Humans can use their faith to hold positions where others ran.Tau have no moral modifier.

Better technology? please make some examples

The Tau use psykers, they are allied with a race who uses there psychic power to control their spaceships.
One simpele Tau Battlesuit is as strong as a couple of 'marines.
The Tau are so stubborn they don't want any help, except if they are in control.
The standard pulsrifle is stronger than a bolter.
Tau use small spaceships to fight against Titans and stuff.
Tau got the Ethereals as a moral modifier.
Tau Railrifles are so strong, the speed of the bullets can pierce most armour.
Tau Plasma Rifles don't overheat

Yes, the Tau have better tech.

Voron79 wrote:
The Tau use psykers, they are allied with a race who uses there psychic power to control their spaceships.

And theyre name is: ???

Tau use tech for their spacetravel not psykers.

One simpele Tau Battlesuit is as strong as a couple of 'marines.

Look at the statline of a battlesuit.

One of my captains killed 3 crisis-teams single handedly in ONE game.yes battlesuits are simple.

The Tau are so stubborn they don't want any help, except if they are in control.

Don't want or don't get? Who will help when nerfed by "greater good" all the time?

The standard pulsrifle is stronger than a bolter.

maybe bolter with standard ammo.

Tau use small spaceships to fight against Titans and stuff.

They fight stuff? With spaceships?
If the Imperial navy aims at Tau,the whole Tau planet is gone

Tau got the Ethereals as a moral modifier.

A negative modifier for loosing your etheral is good?

Tau Railrifles are so strong, the speed of the bullets can pierce most armour.
Tau Plasma Rifles don't overheat

Now he found his toys.
No, the Tau have better tech than kroot/orks/nids/traitors

Dude READ THE CODEX. The part that says Tau have better or equal tech is written by a HUMAN in the IMPERIUM. Thinking before posting can be a virtue.

thesuperiorninja wrote:Dude READ THE CODEX. The part that says Tau have better or equal tech is written by a HUMAN in the IMPERIUM. Thinking before posting can be a virtue.

Dear superiorninja,
the heretic genetor second class was already promoted to SERVITOR for his ideas.
Greetings

And theyre name is: ???

Tau use tech for their spacetravel not psykers.

The Nicassar are the Tau psyker allies. They use telekenicpowers to drive the spaceships.

Look at the statline of a battlesuit.

One of my captains killed 3 crisis-teams single handedly in ONE game.yes battlesuits are simple.

that's the diffrence between the game and the background

Don't want or don't get? Who will help when nerfed by "greater good" all the time?

Kroot, Demiurg(squats), Vespid and Nicassar to name just a few

They fight stuff? With spaceships?
If the Imperial navy aims at Tau,the whole Tau planet is gone

Manta's and Baracuda's

The Tau primary space ships are made for exploring not fighting. The got millions of smaller spaceships to destroy other ships.

A negative modifier for loosing your etheral is good?

A positive modifier for being killed by you boss is better?

Tau are better, deal with it

going back to the main point of this article, tau have a limited warp presence, true but that dosen't stop them form mutating. it is also possible that the etherals are pykers and possibly how they control the tau. thats my view.

Voron79 wrote:

The Nicassar are the Tau psyker allies. They use telekenicpowers to drive the spaceships.

they think their ship is moving....but its not
telecinesis won't move anything as big as a spaceship.

that's the difference between the game and the background

To kill in the game only 3 crisis teams and in fluff the whole cadre is a difference?
If you say so

Kroot, Demiurg(squats), Vespid and Nicassar to name just a few

demiurg are not in 40k today
Birds,insects and weird xenos as allies? No,thanks.

Manta's and Baracuda's

The Tau primary space ships are made for exploring not fighting. The got millions of smaller spaceships to destroy other ships

undefended explorers? now I know why the Tau empire is so small
Where do you get "millions" of ships from? Wishful thinking?
Wait....... you imagined to move and moved not,maybe you imagine also to have ships....

A positive modifier for being killed by your boss is better?

No,common at work

Don't forget our fearless units.

Tau are better for Voron79, deal with it

Tau are the best Victims for target practice,deal with that.

I must hand it to you. You do know how to put forth such senseless points so as there to be no response to them. Bravo my friend.

they think their ship is moving....but its not
telecinesis won't move anything as big as a spaceship.

A thousand alliens using telekinesis can move a ship

To kill in the game only 3 crisis teams and in fluff the whole cadre is a difference?
If you say so

Yes I say so

demiurg are not in 40k today
Birds,insects and weird xenos as allies? No,thanks.

I like birds over Apes...

undefended explorers? now I know why the Tau empire is so small
Where do you get "millions" of ships from? Wishful thinking?
Wait....... you imagined to move and moved not,maybe you imagine also to have ships....

No, Tau background. Read and learn

No,common at work

Don't forget our fearless units.

Fear? The Tau don't know fear, they only know tactical retreats.

Tau: the best at target practice

That being said, everything is corruptible.

i know its from the 1st page, but imperial custodes are not corruptable.


as for tau, i think it could be possible, but i see farsight as more of a rogue, he still believes in the greater good to some extent, just has a different way of imposing it.

Voron79 wrote:
A thousand alliens using telekinesis can move a ship
I like birds over Apes...
No, Tau background. Read and learn
Fear? The Tau don't know fear, they only know tactical retreats.

1. imagination rulez
2. there are no space-apes
3. learn from Tau? The most filled with "promotion by GW" fluff may find excited Tau-players,but .......me?
4. It doesn't matter if they "tactical retreat" or run off the table.

Tau: the best at target practice

cheating with marker lights

cheating with marker lights

nothing a few barbed shots from a few fex's cant fix

1hadhq wrote:
cheating with marker lights

So you try to call us out for "cheating" with markerlights when you yourself said you have fearless units? A little contradictory wouldn't ya say?

thesuperiorninja wrote:

1hadhq wrote:
cheating with marker lights

So you try to call us out for "cheating" with markerlights when you yourself said you have fearless units? A little contradictory wouldn't ya say?

I say: dear thesuperiorninja, don't be Mr contradiction himself.The fluff you have quoted has not the content you expected,sorry.
The codex Tau is renown for beeing almost incompatible with "imperial" codices.
In short: Your quoted fluff said => Tau tech is not as enlightened as Ad Mech stuff.In some fields it comes near or may be better.
Named fields for that : agriculture + construction.
If you take this fluff as point,your farmers may have better machines but your warriors have not.

So know the place for Tau and they may live undisturbed a while.Cry for superiority and get slaughtered by the older races.


Take postings in a fluff forum not too serious.

definitely, i can totally imagine a xv8 battlesuit with horns

on a more serious not, tau pirates is definitely possible

never. tau are noble people

Have thought about this since my original post have have thought that in actual fact ... Yes, it may be possible for the Tau to have an evil faction like Eldar/Dark Eldar.

All Tau are controlled by the Ethereals, all Tau Allies are not. As their empire expands they will need more and more Ethereals to help maintain control, the more Ethereals you have the more difference of opinion you would get from one side of the empire to the other.

So I guess that it could be possible that once the Tau empire reaches a certain size you could get rebel factions of Tau similar to that of Commander Farsight.

Maybe Tau will have a civil war? who knows

Arihiman wrote:never. tau are noble people

The same could have been said for the Eldar.

In Short, Yes, Chaos Tau are possible. Why do people always say "only Psychics can be corrupted"?

In long, If a Tank can be Chaos aligned then anything can. All it takes is for one of the Ethereals to fall to chaos, or be captured and turned to Chaos (torture, daemonic possession, corruption) and every tau warrior and artisan under their command will follow them. Such is the power of influence for an Ethereal.

Also, Farsights weapon...Eldar or C'tan? Its designs have no similarity with either. Now, artwork for the Thousand Suns shows them with Nigh-identical blades, plus Egyptian styles are generally their area and the Dawn Blade has quite the egyptian look to it. Either he's being corrupted by Tzeentch (The guy with all the overly intricate plots) or Farsight raided the Warhammer Fantasy world and stole himself a Tomb King weapon.

How about...So in 10 years time...the Tau don't exist and GW are denying they ever did?

more likely :S

however unlikely that is in the first place

Maybe someone could start a 3rd "chaos tau" thread ?

Seems DakkaDakka has fallen to chaos.

thesuperiorninja wrote:however unlikely that is in the first place

you ever heard of squats?

Nope, me neither.

Has anyone ever ventured to think that maybe the Tau were engineered by the last, hidden, remnants of the Old ones and thats why they are pretty much chaos proof.

Has anyone ever ventured to think that maybe the conversation in this thread has drawn to a close long ago as a moot point that can never come to a definite conclusion?

Yes, pls end this nonsense

lord_sutekh wrote:Who's to say the Tau empire isn't already corrupt? What is the true objective of the Ethereals? How do they inspire such unthinking loyalty from the Tau? Where do they come from, since they haven't always been among the Tau?  What is the "Greater Good", and who benefits from this objective, ultimately?

Farsight could be one of the few truly free Tau in existence, having escaped the influence of the Ethereals.

EXACTLY!!

Chaos Tau? No, not really.
The GW staff is too stupid to devise some new race.

nope no chaos tau as for the stupid part i agree fully

erm, aren't the Tau a New race?
Released 2005 IIRC (and i proberly don't )

@thesuperiorninja
@focusedfire
I agree. Please, let us end this madness!!!!! GW must specifically write the fluff in such a way that you can twist and turn it to suit whatever way you want it to be.
Using points of view you can make Chaos Marines appear the good guys and the Imperium the baddies. You can make the Etherals to appear they may have another agenda. Heck, you can easily find a reason why your marine army can fight another marine army.

So, as said by many people, there is no real definative answer and GW won't be giving anything to suggest otherwise, just like they won't be saying that the Emporer returns on this day for example, the mystery is part of the appeal.

Merry Christmas everyone btw

Wait, you think the Tau aren't already Chaos.

well my book hasn'yt been published but eventually Bllack library will give in.

Until that day though.......

hellsguardian316 wrote:erm, aren't the Tau a New race?
Released 2005 IIRC (and i proberly don't )

@thesuperiorninja
@focusedfire
I agree. Please, let us end this madness!!!!! GW must specifically write the fluff in such a way that you can twist and turn it to suit whatever way you want it to be.
Using points of view you can make Chaos Marines appear the good guys and the Imperium the baddies. You can make the Etherals to appear they may have another agenda. Heck, you can easily find a reason why your marine army can fight another marine army.

So, as said by many people, there is no real definative answer and GW won't be giving anything to suggest otherwise, just like they won't be saying that the Emporer returns on this day for example, the mystery is part of the appeal.

Merry Christmas everyone btw

Released 2003 and dude ya'll don't get sarcasm in the uk, pity.

yo there is chaos orks look at the daemon hunters codex

In the novel Fire Warrior the young Farsight comes under the influence of Khorne and even shouted "Blood for the Blood God!". Pretty clear to me where his true loyalities actually lie.

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Actually, if I recall correctly, that was a different commander and he immediately died right after.

Arihiman wrote:never. tau are noble people

Here Here!!!!

Green Blow Fly wrote:In the novel Fire Warrior the young Farsight comes under the influence of Khorne and even shouted "Blood for the Blood God!". Pretty clear to me where his true loyalities actually lie.

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Books written by anyone other than GW hardly qualify as canon. I don't think that book can be used as an example as to the Tau's susceptibility to chaos, if any.

I think the Tau could fall into Chaos. Maybe not the way we would normally think (e.g. lack of psychic ability) but perhaps a physical Nurgle-ish mutation and a twist on the greater good with more chaotic/individual leanings. I guess sort of a mix of pirate/freebooter/chaos corruption. True chaos? Maybe not but certainly currupt in the eyes of the pure Tau.

Then they wopuld be just like the Sace Wolves.