I just sold my ig army it was around 2500 point. i didn't want to spend the money to buy 6to 9 vendattes to make my ig a good army. also i sold like most of sm army because with the new dex coming out i don't want to get stick with more useless units like my perds rhinos drop pods dreds my jumpmarines all useless in 6ed. so i got ride of them to strart over with nee dex. Any one else do this

No because I use two vendettas and mech guard and I'm 30-4 this edition

zilka86 wrote:
I just sold my ig army it was around 2500 point. i didn't want to spend the money to buy 6to 9 vendattes to make my ig a good army. also i sold like most of sm army because with the new dex coming out i don't want to get stick with more useless units like my perds rhinos drop pods dreds my jumpmarines all useless in 6ed. so i got ride of them to strart over with nee dex. Any one else do this

Wow. You might want to spend a minute to locate the shift key, maybe the comma key, etc.

As for the real question... Did I sell my armies due to edition changes? No. Over time everything is useful again (with a couple exceptions). My armies have weathered multiple edition changes and they will do so again.

I am tempted to do this with my nids. But ill just keep them for running practice lists against

Shouldn't you have at least waited for the SM codex to come out and look through all the rules before selling it? Seems kinda knee-jerk to me.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
I am tempted to do this with my nids. But ill just keep them for running practice lists against

Or shelf them until the new codex.

Nope.

No need to overreact. I don't know what rumors you where reading but the SM book seems pretty good towards the existing models. (except vanguard vets for some reason)

I also didn't overreact when the Tau book came out, and didn't feel it necessary to buy 6 riptides.

You should have waited, sounds like you do not have patience at all. SM gets a new codex, guard will come out eventually and you do not need 9 vendettas to actually play guard. Should have given the list more time...

Yes sell your army, and then kick yourself in the arse next year when the IG get a new codex.

Wow, My plastic toy soldiers suck so I had to sell it. Does winning with plastic toy soldiers really matter that much to you?

Would also help if you knew how to actually write properly as was mentioned before. Can't take you seriously when you can't spell properly. Hey wait, you can work for GW now.

Lol sell your army because it's not an auto win -face palm-

Oh well time to buy a cheap army in eBay.

 Desubot wrote:

I also didn't overreact when the Tau book came out, and didn't feel it necessary to buy 6 riptides.

I've been thinking of selling my Tau army, though.

The only reasons to sell an army are to sell it for more money than you paid for it, or you want to play something else. As for new codices that change your army. Well that comes with the Edition changes.

There is an opportunity for new conversion models, as you convert some older models into the new codex rules. So do not get discouraged. Use it as an opportunity to flex your modelling skills.

For a game i injoy playing I'm sick of not have a good army ever. I always get what i like and build my army how i want it to work for me to find i wasted mt money because i did a good army from the codex like my ig 3 platoons of 50 guys 12 ac and lc 6lrbt of all types. then i find out only good way to run ig is vets and vendattas. so i wasted my money on crap units why are they even in codex if they junk

zilka86 wrote:
i find out only good way to run ig is vets and vendattas.

There is no single good way to run IG. You should be mad because you sold your army without sufficient information.

Why would i be mad for saleing junk units and a junk army. it my loss for buying bad stuff so all only buy good stuff from now on buy reading what's good on line

Yes. Zilka, I think you should do exactly this. Sell off all your minis and start over. regardless of the fact that you'll be kicking your butt latter when you find that you want those Tanks and Droppods back.

I admit, that I've not always made the wisest choice. But to sell off your army and start over, Before seeing how the new codex changes the meta... kinda nutty.

As for IG: if you weren't having fun with the army then you should sell them off.

I wouldn't sell one of my armies unless I was getting completely out of the hobby, and my sons as well. I've put armies on the shelf due to loss of interest in playing them, but they're available to play, or play against at any time.

Don't feed him!

Also, in this age of internet research before you buy! (if all you care about is tabletop performance)

No, I would never sell my army if it became "bad". I play my Word Bearers because I love their fluff and more importantly I love MY Word Bearers specifically, I've had a lot of fun watching them grow as characters and expand their armoury and ability to wage war.

It's not anyone's place to tell you how to play 40k, but if you think the essence of the game is fielding the "best" units the internet tells you is good just so you can win consistently then I don't think you've discovered how much fun you can have with the game if you love what you have, even if they're not arranged in a cheese-list.

Seriously, just pick an army you love and stick with it. You and your opponents will have a much better time if you field a force you adore rather than "lol internet sez il winzorz!"

I liked my ig butt it was a bad army. i was told a lot that the only why to run ig is vets and vendattas i don't care for flyers our vets butt if that the only why to have good ig then i rather not play them. allso tanks are not good in 6ed and nother are droppods. Any vehicle is really no longer good because of hp only good tanks are av14 so I'm getting 5landriders

Obviously a troll stop feeding it

zilka86 wrote:
I liked my ig butt it was a bad army. i was told a lot that the only why to run ig is vets and vendattas i don't care for flyers our vets butt if that the only why to have good ig then i rather not play them. allso tanks are not good in 6ed and nother are droppods. Any vehicle is really no longer good because of hp only good tanks are av14 so I'm getting 5landriders

I disagree. My 1750 Eldar list consists of 3 Wave Serpents, and Crimson Hunter minimum. Last week I took 2 Fire Prisms. At the end of the game, one Serpent was Immobilized (stupid terrain), one was wrecked (which took 4 Turns of shooting) and that was it. I lost my Rangers who were hanging out in a forest, and I lost both 3-man squads of bikes. The damage to my opponent was even worse. In the end he had an untouched squad of Warriors, 1 Trueborn, and 1 Haemonculus.

zilka86 wrote:
I liked my ig butt it was a bad army. i was told a lot that the only why to run ig is vets and vendattas i don't care for flyers our vets butt if that the only why to have good ig then i rather not play them. allso tanks are not good in 6ed and nother are droppods. Any vehicle is really no longer good because of hp only good tanks are av14 so I'm getting 5landriders

Told by who? The internet? The medium of communication known universally for extremes of opinion? where one thing is either completely worthless or a must have?

If you think you had a hard time with your Guard then you'll have a harder time spamming land raiders. If you wanted an AV14 wall you should have stayed with IG.

Selling your army is a terrible idea. I can see doing an even trade for a different army, or doing so if you need the money for life circumstances (if you need to pay the bills etc.). I can also see possibly doing it to an army I was never going to play ever again (getting out of the hobby, or just don't like the faction etc.)

All that said selling your armies just because they are not currently good? Terrible idea. Things go in cycles, something that is great now might not be later, and something that is bad now might be awesome. Furthermore you are unlikely to ever get a good return on your investment. Models sold almost never make back what new models cost, so say you sell a tactical squad for 30 bucks, and then want to buy one when the new book comes out and it is not $40, you lose out. Throw in any time spent painting and modeling, and the return on your investment is just terrible.

Edition changes are always hard.

My Nid army is awful now. And I'm tempted to go buy some Tervigons just to make it good, but there's always the fear that Tervigons won't be very good in the next codex which can't be too far away.

If you've got other armies you enjoy playing with, just leave the "bad" ones be, I say and wait for a new codex. If in doubt, don't spend money. You can't waste it if you haven't spent it.

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
Obviously a troll stop feeding it

I will bet my entire Ork-army that he didn't even sell a single model.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
I am tempted to do this with my nids. But ill just keep them for running practice lists against

We got depressed by 5th. But all we need was to add wings to the tyrant, one tervigon - and we bought 18 gargoyles, which we fancied anyway. Poor old stealers went back in the box of course. Only one real new purchase and it's an army that quite a few people reckon is brutal.

So we say the glass is half full.

I've only ever sold 2 armies:

Sold my necrons (4th edition) simply because 7 years later they lost their appeal to me.

I also sold my 3.5 CSM army, it was 1k sons (this was partially due to the army being terrible and mostly because I wanted to go the death guard route).

Troll, for positive. It makes me wonder if these people actually try to type like their idiots. "If I don't spell words correctly and use no punctuation, theyll think im young maybe! or legitimately an idiot!"

ConsecratedIron wrote:
It makes me wonder if these people actually try to type like their idiots.

Whose idiots?

I could imagine that if someone had a Whitescars army , he would want to sell it , before the new codex arrives.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
I am tempted to do this with my nids. But ill just keep them for running practice lists against

We got depressed by 5th. But all we need was to add wings to the tyrant, one tervigon - and we bought 18 gargoyles, which we fancied anyway. Poor old stealers went back in the box of course. Only one real new purchase and it's an army that quite a few people reckon is brutal.

So we say the glass is half full.

I honestly felt like the hive mind was just talking to me and I felt bad for abandoning my first army.

Then I realized I have an undead vampire custom IG army. So sorry nids, while I will not be selling you, you must sit and wait for me to get board with killing things from across the table.

Maybe i just don't get this game then haveing ever army was bad. Now selling bad armys and units bad. what the heck does a need to do to just have a good army . ever army i build ends up being built wrong . i just trying to have a good army so people stop tilling me I'm building bad armys


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Vehicles are bad but then told ther not what one is it are they good our bad. Flyers are the only vehicle worth taking from what i read on line

I play BA and they are supposedly a "bad" army right now but I would NEVER think of selling them. I have put tons of time and effort into building and painting them. Not to mention they will be "good" again at some point. Also if you try to buy every new power build when it comes out, by the time you build and paint it, there will be something better to get, and then you will have to go get it. Just buy what you like and enjoy it.

How about you just play the army you want to play with the units you want to play and not let people tell you you're doing things wrong?

I have a couple of armies which I like because of the fluff and what they look like. I have other because they are competitive like my tyranids.

You will almost never make back what you spend on an army. Better to put it on a site like Bartertown and try and break even in trades.

Why would you keep a army that is bad i never seen a ba army and probably won't till assualt comes back same with assualty orks there dead now you just have shoot boyz abd lootas and nob bikers

Because for some people, infact the majority having a competative army is less fun than one you want. I keep my Dark Eldar army because they are awesome. The models are super cool and I've done quite a few conversions to make them my own. I see no reason to get rid of them becaus ether arnt currently a top tier army...

Play what you want. I play Sisters of Battle because I like them. If you like ____, then play them, get better with then and learn to win. Stop crying.

This is what i want my sm army to be but its a crapy army and will never really do good

Caption with company command squad in a razor back with asc
Jump chaplain

5Tac squad a ll in rhino heavy and special gun very
1scout bike squad max size
2ten man assualt squads

2dreads one in a pod other long range support
2dakka preds and one vin

Butt this is a bad army as vehicles suck and i have no flyers as they are king of the game

zilka86 wrote:
I liked my ig butt it was a bad army. i was told a lot that the only why to run ig is vets and vendattas i don't care for flyers our vets butt if that the only why to have good ig then i rather not play them. allso tanks are not good in 6ed and nother are droppods. Any vehicle is really no longer good because of hp only good tanks are av14 so I'm getting 5landriders

You speel like a ork.

Flyers are not "Kings of the game". Read Ailaros' recent battle report where he plays a footslogging berzerker horde - an army you and many would call junk - against a three heldrake list and not only wins but wins without firing a single shot at the drakes.

You can easily take advantage of a flyer's mobility issues and limit the damage they can do.

In the above list, I'd have swapped out scout bikers and the command squad for something else.

For the love of all that is sane.

Its but not butt

Unless you actually like imperial guard butt.

zilka86 wrote:
Why would you keep a army that is bad i never seen a ba army and probably won't till assualt comes back same with assualty orks there dead now you just have shoot boyz abd lootas and nob bikers

*sigh*

Maybe people don't sell armies that are "bad" because they'd like to have something to show for the large amount of money they spent on said "bad" armies, and/or they enjoy playing them regardless. Just because my marines don't have much success against my regular foes doesn't mean I now am obligated to pawn them off to fund a competitive cheese-fest army. Heck, I started CSM and am going with Thousand Sons because they are awesome, albiet not totally (according to the internet wisdom that you seem to go off of) efficient. I know what I'm getting into and play the game for the fun of a challenge, not to crush everything with the most gimmicky or spamy army/list. Based on what else of yours I've read, I can tell that this isn't why you play, and that is entirely up to you and ok. Just don't complain to the internet when you don't get satisfaction from it and get confused why people don't take you seriously.

zilka86 wrote:
Maybe i just don't get this game then haveing ever army was bad. Now selling bad armys and units bad.

You would need stupid amounts of money to get every army. One is expensive enough as is. I'm thinking your confusion stems from having far more disposable income than the vast majority of the people disagreeing with you, as you can seemingly afford to buy and sell armies at a whim. I know that I at least could not, and couldn't bring myself to sell what I've poured dozens upon dozens of hours into, as well. So, to sum up my view on this, I think it was hasty to sell both armies (especially as one is being updated in less than a month), and foolish to get into an expensive game thinking that it would be easy to steamroll everything then get exceedingly frustrated (based on other posts) when you fail in this.

Don't feed the troll, yada yada, but I felt the need to voice this after reading too many similar threads. No disrespect or insult intended, but if you wish to enjoy 40k, perhaps you should approach it differently.

View it different how i just like to have a good army for once. One that stands a chance and people will want to play me. i have many people not want to play me because my army wouldn't stand a chance . i have been truned away from trounys because my list was to bad

Hmmm...every army you've tried sucks. Have you tried to change the one factor that is common to all of them?

Backfire wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

I also didn't overreact when the Tau book came out, and didn't feel it necessary to buy 6 riptides.

I've been thinking of selling my Tau army, though.

Could probably make a tidy profit selling it to the OP.

Again guys, http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546841.page and the current thread are just the sort of things this user creates, he never listens to the other posters and just complains and complains. And he never improves his efforts at typing. Just let it die.

zilka86 wrote:
View it different how i just like to have a good army for once. One that stands a chance and people will want to play me. i have many people not want to play me because my army wouldn't stand a chance . i have been truned away from trounys because my list was to bad

If your list was bad, that's not the armies fault (especially if it was IG, which is not a bad army, though certainly possible to build a bad list from). Neither SM nor IG have ever been "bad armies", because both of these armies offer rather a lot in the way of options and builds that can be tailored to fit a particular narrative and meta, whether you go foot-slogging, armored fist, artillery, assault, whatever.

zilka86 wrote:
View it different how i just like to have a good army for once. One that stands a chance and people will want to play me. i have many people not want to play me because my army wouldn't stand a chance . i have been truned away from trounys because my list was to bad

Now I'm convinced you're trolling. No one get's turned away from a tournament for a bad list. No one refuses to play a bad list.

Well he could of had a bad "illegal list" probably full of spelling mistakes that no TO could read

 Sheokronath wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
View it different how i just like to have a good army for once. One that stands a chance and people will want to play me. i have many people not want to play me because my army wouldn't stand a chance . i have been truned away from trounys because my list was to bad

Now I'm convinced you're trolling. No one get's turned away from a tournament for a bad list. No one refuses to play a bad list.

agreed that's a blatant lie. I've never in my life witnessed any TO turn a list away because its too weak.

They probably just couldn't read his list.
"I'm not sure what 'SpasmAran' is. Never heard of it so I can't allow it."

I had a ig foot list at 1500pt. i was told that with all the flyers in trouny and i would have to face 2hellytrucky armies and a ig flyers spam

 Desubot wrote:
Well he could of had a bad "illegal list" probably full of spelling mistakes that no TO could read

Quoted for truth.

Edit: You could have just bought an Aegis Defence Line.

I had one but i guess its no good i need flyers in my armies and i don't like flyers

So your saying that they didn't allow you in the tournament because the opponents were taking flyers. Yeah I'm calling BS on that.

zilka86 wrote:
I had one but i guess its no good i need flyers in my armies and i don't like flyers

Then use allies. If you're unwilling to adapt then this thread is meaningless.

 Sheokronath wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
I had one but i guess its no good i need flyers in my armies and i don't like flyers

Then use allies. If you're unwilling to adapt then this thread is meaningless.

Like all of his other threads

Troll thread is a troll.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
Darn it guys! Zilka is a troll.

To be fair, I did bring this up last page

Can you guys just stop it?
His threads have shown us what we can expect and you are only making it worse by actually trying to have a serious discussion.

 motyak wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
Darn it guys! Zilka is a troll.

To be fair, I did bring this up last page

True enough

I had no good way to take out flyers and the helltrukyes would have eating my 100pluse troops easily. The ig player would also be able to pick me apart like nothing so why even try to play. so i just watched and relized that you need flyers our tau allies withskyfire to have a chance and ever one was saying at the trouny how bad my list is because i don't run vets and flyers in my ig and useing any vehicles is really a bad idea

HAHAHAH zilka's posts get worse and worse.

Seriously dude, stop posting. You complain about something, then TONS of awesome people take their time to give you quality advice and you respond with wining and complaining and the topic goes nowhere.

1 Helldrake will get 2-4 shots off a game with proper movement. 2 Helldrakes? 4-8. If you, as a footguard player, are losing to 8 templates (that are just as effective at killing you as regular flamers) then you're an idiot.

Maybe it's not the army, maybe it's *gasp* the general (or in this case, the troll).

I think I'm done here. A summary "ignore" is in order I believe...

Really sick of all beeps thinking i dam troll frist off I'm not so stop ok and i only been play from end of 5to now so sorry i don't get ever thing adopt to what all saying is i like to run a a good list so i sold all my stuff so one new sm codex comes out i can start over with them i will only get the codex at first all wait 3to six months after the been out be for i buy anything so ther will be plenty off info on how to build a good sm list

zilka86 wrote:
Really sick of all beeps thinking i dam troll frist off I'm not so stop ok and i only been play from end of 5to now so sorry i don't get ever thing adopt to what all saying is i like to run a a good list so i sold all my stuff so one new sm codex comes out i can start over with them i will only get the codex at first all wait 3to six months after the been out be for i buy anything so ther will be plenty off info on how to build a good sm list

What if everything you sold is amazing in the new dex?

Also, people will take you more seriously if you type in proper English. Your posts are incredibly difficult to understand.

All the units i have will be invadated once new codex comes out so why keep stuff i can't use

UnadoptedPuppy wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
Really sick of all beeps thinking i dam troll frist off I'm not so stop ok and i only been play from end of 5to now so sorry i don't get ever thing adopt to what all saying is i like to run a a good list so i sold all my stuff so one new sm codex comes out i can start over with them i will only get the codex at first all wait 3to six months after the been out be for i buy anything so ther will be plenty off info on how to build a good sm list

What if everything you sold is amazing in the new dex?

Also, people will take you more seriously if you type in proper English. Your posts are incredibly difficult to understand.

Let's just agree to give up. He's either or troll or someone completely incapable of forming an opinion of his own and taking advice from people is beyond him.

Someone delete this thread.Before I shoot this cave troll.

zilka86 wrote:
All the units i have will be invadated once new codex comes out so why keep stuff i can't use

You really believe this, don't you, wow.

I don't get why people think I'm a troll i guess i need to stop taking here our asking about any thing because I'm always wrong no matter what like tau are a bs 10army like ther only one good way to make a army and like why is ther so many junk units in a codex that shouldn't be ther

Here's a protip.

With your attitude, it doesn't matter if you have the best list in the world. You'll still probably lose.

zilka86 wrote:
All the units i have will be invadated once new codex comes out so why keep stuff i can't use

That's not how new editions work. If you have an IG or an SM army, all those TacMarines, regular IG infantry soldiers, tanks, artillery pieces, Devastator Marines, Heavy Weapon Squads, Storm Troopers, etc. are still going to be in the Codex. What might change is their points values, maybe their Special Rules (if any) and their *relative* value in the Army (time ago, an IG army featuring a large number of tanks and minimal troops was an almost sure-fire win... these days? Not so much, but tanks are not "worthless").

With SM, especially, you can always repaint them to be some new flavor of Marine. Gods know they release enough SM-related Codices to keep the minis and create an entirely new Space Marine army out of. Didn't like the Ultramarines? Paint those sons-of-guns grey and call them Space Wolves. Didn't like the Vikings? Paint them silver and now you have a GK army. Didn't like GK? Paint them green, now they're Salamanders. Yellow for Imperial Fists. Glue spikes on them and now you have a CSM army, etc.

Yes i believe that look at tau firewarris changed so you had to get new one same with rest of codex

zilka86 wrote:
Yes i believe that look at tau firewarris changed so you had to get new one same with rest of codex

And that is completely, and demonstrably wrong.

zilka86 wrote:
Yes i believe that look at tau firewarris changed so you had to get new one same with rest of codex

What are you trying to say? How is anyone supposed to understand such terribly written, illegible posts?

Ah I remember when the 6th edition CSM book came out and I had to melt down my army in to a new carrying case to hold my new, better, CSMs.

zilka86 wrote:
All the units i have will be invadated once new codex comes out so why keep stuff i can't use

I hate to lower myself to this, but... prove it.

Do you have the new codex? Do you know that your hundreds of dollars of miniatures are worthless before everyone that plays that army does?

Whoever commented about his attitude is 100% correct. There is no "win-button." You will never have a list that always wins. Even if you do, expect that to change with codex/edition releases. I have beaten "BS10 tauu" with friggin' Deathwing before. You can do anything with any army. It's all about how you play, and by the looks of it you don't want to play. You want to win.

We didn't win WWII by having superior numbers/firepower/etc.
We won it by using it all correctly.

zilka86 wrote:
Yes i believe that look at tau firewarris changed so you had to get new one same with rest of codex

Uh, no.

The rules regarding Fire Warriors changed, the models did not.

UnadoptedPuppy wrote:

We didn't win WWII by having superior numbers/firepower/etc.
We won it by using it all correctly.

/Cries a solitary, patriotic tear.

On a serious note, everything you said is correct, I couldn't agree more.

Let all of use spel like hime on tis thred.

Da krimson barun wrote:
Let all of use spel like hime on tis thred.

yis

Lets not and not bump the thread plzthx.

You can all feth off I'm done with the game and how stuck up the players are and how they hate new players and seem to no the best way to run all armies but won't let new people in on how this game really works. go to hell all of you sick of 40k gamers and ther we no evetr thing about 40k but won't let new people in

On behalf of the enlightened Illuminati of 40k:

OK.

He's gone!Come veterans let us hide the secret of how to play the game and never tell anyone and destroy our hobby by never having any new players.(Insert evil(sunz)laugh)

Everyone to my mansion for 40k after dark and oppression!

That is a shame because the secret to playing 40K and winning is....
To have fun playing it. This way you win in life.

I would still learn how to write properly though as that will help in everything you do.

zilka86 wrote:
You can all feth off I'm done with the game and how stuck up the players are and how they hate new players

I love playing against new players. Most vets want to play 1750-2000+ pt games and it is nice (and a bit of a challenge for me) to sit back and try to win with 500 pts of Nids.

and seem to no the best way to run all armies but won't let new people in on how this game really works.

I play two armies. Tyranids with no anti-air capabilities because we don't get to use quad-guns and I don't use Flyrants. Ulthwe Eldar, with only 1 AA choice - a single Flyer which half th time gets blown up the very next turn after it arrives, so maybe gets to shoot once. All I know about other armies is the different play styles and how to build a list suited for that play style. You want to run an armoured company of IG - CCS in Chimera, Vets in Chimeras, Hellhounds, Artillery, etc. You want to run a Green Tide - Big Mek with KFF (or two), 180 boys, 6 squads of 30. Every army has multiple different ways that it can be played and there is no "right" way or "best" way.

go to hell all of you sick of 40k gamers and ther we no evetr thing about 40k but won't let new people in

Wait, are you saying you wish us all to go to hell, and that you are sick of 40K gamers and their holier than thou attitude, or are you saying that you want people who are sick of 40K gamers (and their holier than thou attitutdes) to go to hell?

If the former, I sincerely hope you get into heaven, because when I die, I plan on chuckin' dice against the big red guy himself. If the latter, why do you wish to go to hell? We don't want your kind.

zilka86 wrote:
You can all feth off I'm done with the game and how stuck up the players are and how they hate new players and seem to no the best way to run all armies but won't let new people in on how this game really works. go to hell all of you sick of 40k gamers and ther we no evetr thing about 40k but won't let new people in

You're half-right....

We tend to not let people in who display a staggering ignorance of how the game is actually played, the rules by which it functions, and the conventions by which it operates and who also seem to express a decided unwillingness to listen when people are telling them how it actually works.

For example... no TO is going to refuse you access to a tourney simply because you don't have flyers in your army, provided you have a legal Army List in hand. Certain tournaments might restrict the use of proxied models, counts-as models, or place limits on certain characters/troop-types/vehicles, whatever, but it's on you to know the rules of the tournament before signing up to play. However, if your Army List is written as badly as your posts, it would not surprise me if the TO could not figure out WTH it was you were trying to say. The TO might also have said "no" if you brought a 4K points list to a 2500 points Tourney. Or if you had 4 HQ ICs in your build where you're capped at 2. Or if you were using random army men toys to represent 1500 points of IG. Or a pack of Hoyle playing cards for a Rhino.

And, around here, a *lot* of people *do* know the best way to run a given army, considering that many of these people have been playing this game for many, many years and have, in those years, stuck with a limited range of armies and have learned the ins and outs of those armies across multiple editions of the game. I'm certainly not such a person, having switched armies entirely several times in my life, but I'm familiar enough with the *themes* of any given army, given that, at some point in the last 20-some years, I have probably fielded at least 750 points worth of them for a few months of random games, that I can speak, in general terms, about what a given army-type is capable of doing and what it plays like. This is why I can tell you that you do not need to sell off all your SM figures just because a new SM codex is coming out, nor do you need to replace your entire Tau force simply because a new edition of Codex: Tau Empire was published.

4 pages of troll feeding... stop guys