I completely understand that people are racist, what I don't understand is how on this day and age they seem to think that it is fine to act out on that racism and to top it all of, they plaster it all on such a public place as the internet...
PhantomViper wrote: I completely understand that people are racist, what I don't understand is how on this day and age they seem to think that it is fine to act out on that racism and to top it all of, they plaster it all on such a public place as the internet...
Probably because he doesn't think he's being racist (although he certainly is).
I wonder if he'll categorically discount other stupid names like Apple and all the various aiden's like Caiden and braiden and all that crap. This just reeks of stupidity and racism. I bet he's the type that says "I'm not a racist but...." While looking around for an overtly racist statement.
Chancetragedy wrote: I wonder if he'll categorically discount other stupid names like Apple and all the various aiden's like Caiden and braiden and all that crap. This just reeks of stupidity and racism. I bet he's the type that says "I'm not a racist but...." While looking around for an overtly racist statement.
I just call everyone Bob. It has a nice ring to it, and its not too hard to spell.
Chancetragedy wrote: I wonder if he'll categorically discount other stupid names like Apple and all the various aiden's like Caiden and braiden and all that crap. This just reeks of stupidity and racism. I bet he's the type that says "I'm not a racist but...." While looking around for an overtly racist statement.
I just call everyone Bob. It has a nice ring to it, and its not too hard to spell.
It also has the side effect of reminding people you don't care enough to know about their personal lives. I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. It is one of the Ron Swanson techniques of Greatness.
Chancetragedy wrote: I wonder if he'll categorically discount other stupid names like Apple and all the various aiden's like Caiden and braiden and all that crap. This just reeks of stupidity and racism. I bet he's the type that says "I'm not a racist but...." While looking around for an overtly racist statement.
I just call everyone Bob. It has a nice ring to it, and its not too hard to spell.
It also has the side effect of reminding people you don't care enough to know about their personal lives. I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. It is one of the Ron Swanson techniques of Greatness.
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Haha this is cracking me up right now, great addition!
Chancetragedy wrote: I wonder if he'll categorically discount other stupid names like Apple and all the various aiden's like Caiden and braiden and all that crap. This just reeks of stupidity and racism. I bet he's the type that says "I'm not a racist but...." While looking around for an overtly racist statement.
I just call everyone Bob. It has a nice ring to it, and its not too hard to spell.
I just call everyone George Foreman.
This was about the dumbest thing you can say......except that he said it forever on the internet!. WE HAVE A WINNER. This guy makes the Barilla guy look like a hippy liberal!
Well, either the OP is one of those people who genuinely thinks we live in a "politically correct ashen Lieberal wasteland where True American Patriots are hunted for sport by the granola-munching monsters of the Lieberal Mainstream Media Elite", or the American Hero comment was sarcasm directed at such numpties.
Yodhrin wrote: Well, either the OP is one of those people who genuinely thinks we live in a "politically correct ashen Lieberal wasteland where True American Patriots are hunted for sport by the granola-munching monsters of the Lieberal Mainstream Media Elite"
I do ask a question. Why do people give thier kids names like "Tamisha" or "Lashonda" and other names like that? They are not realistic and people, subconsciously and consciously tend to skip over those names on applications and such
hotsauceman1 wrote: I do ask a question. Why do people give thier kids names like "Tamisha" or "Lashonda" and other names like that? They are not real and people, subconsciously and consciously tend to skip over those names on applications and such
Because people want their children to be special little snowflakes, which is stupid because people will read a name and will subconsciously assign a level of bias to it.
And technically a name because real the moment someone names their child that. So if I name my kid Abcde (ab-si-day), then it's a name and it's real. It's a terrible name to name your kid, but it's now real.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I do ask a question. Why do people give thier kids names like "Tamisha" or "Lashonda" and other names like that? They are not realistic and people, subconsciously and consciously tend to skip over those names on applications and such
What makes those names more or less real than "Johnathan" or "Sue"?
hotsauceman1 wrote: They just seem like fake names that where made up by random syllables
Aren't all names essentially that?
I mean my name has lost any of the meaning it may have once had.
Calling them 'fake' is just a bit silly. Now they may sound silly but that's a whole different kettle of fish, there are loads of names that sound silly.
hotsauceman1 wrote: They just seem like fake names that where made up by random syllables
Aren't all names essentially that?
I mean my name has lost any of the meaning it may have once had.
Calling them 'fake' is just a bit silly. Now they may sound silly but that's a whole different kettle of fish, there are loads of names that sound silly.
hotsauceman1 wrote: They just seem like fake names that where made up by random syllables
Aren't all names essentially that?
I mean my name has lost any of the meaning it may have once had.
Calling them 'fake' is just a bit silly. Now they may sound silly but that's a whole different kettle of fish, there are loads of names that sound silly.
hotsauceman1 wrote: They just seem like fake names that where made up by random syllables
Aren't all names essentially that? I mean my name has lost any of the meaning it may have once had. Calling them 'fake' is just a bit silly. Now they may sound silly but that's a whole different kettle of fish, there are loads of names that sound silly.
Rupert is one such name that sounds silly, so is Jos, Christopher, and Thomas.
hotsauceman1 wrote: They just seem like fake names that where made up by random syllables
Aren't all names essentially that? I mean my name has lost any of the meaning it may have once had. Calling them 'fake' is just a bit silly. Now they may sound silly but that's a whole different kettle of fish, there are loads of names that sound silly.
Rupert is one such name that sounds silly, so is Jos, Christopher, and Thomas.
And that is coming from a guy who has a sound effect for a name...
Gitzbitah wrote: There is actually a much more horrifying and pragmatic reason for many of those combo names. You put part of the father's name in there so you can keep the baby's daddy straight when you have 3 or 4 from different fathers.
Awful, isn't it?
I have tremendous sympathy for any kid with a name like that.
hotsauceman1 wrote: They just seem like fake names that where made up by random syllables
Aren't all names essentially that?
I mean my name has lost any of the meaning it may have once had.
Calling them 'fake' is just a bit silly. Now they may sound silly but that's a whole different kettle of fish, there are loads of names that sound silly.
Rupert is one such name that sounds silly, so is Jos, Christopher, and Thomas.
And that is coming from a guy who has a sound effect for a name...
Gitzbitah wrote: There is actually a much more horrifying and pragmatic reason for many of those combo names. You put part of the father's name in there so you can keep the baby's daddy straight when you have 3 or 4 from different fathers.
Awful, isn't it?
I have tremendous sympathy for any kid with a name like that.
I don't get what you're trying to say.
Black women don't have morals and sleep with whoever so they have many kids by many fathers, black fathers of course who don't stick around so you have to use tricks to remember their name because you only met them that day and got pregnant with their kid before they left the next morning.
Maybe I'm just reading too much into this and see casual racism when it isn't there.
Gitzbitah wrote: There is actually a much more horrifying and pragmatic reason for many of those combo names. You put part of the father's name in there so you can keep the baby's daddy straight when you have 3 or 4 from different fathers.
Awful, isn't it?
I have tremendous sympathy for any kid with a name like that.
I don't get what you're trying to say.
You know, I went looking for some articles to support my presumption, and found nothing. I am just wrong about this, and would urge you all to ignore my previous posts. I am deleting it for the good of us all. I apologize for my racist assumption.
hotsauceman1 wrote: The point is there are people who put those names into a negative context. Like in the OP. PArents should realize this and not give them non-names
There are people that will put people who watch shows about ponies in a negative context.
Parents should realize this and not let their children watch MLP.
Because when people judge you, it's your fault for doing something that they can judge you for.
Or you know, people need to not have a mindset that a certain name = negative person or negative attributes.
hotsauceman1 wrote: The point is there are people who put those names into a negative context. Like in the OP. PArents should realize this and not give them non-names
Yeah I guess there are but if you had to cross off a potential name for every person who had the same name and did something bad or stupid there'd be no names left to use.
They aren't exactly traditional names as far as I know but frankly who cares? As long as it isn't totally outlandish or will stop them from having a life then does it matter? The guy in the OP was saying he would pass over African sounding names specifically just to avoid having to deal with the complexity of spelling. Assuming he isn't a bigoted idiot that means he's probably gonna pass over a lot of other names because they are too complex.
Incidentally, you probably shouldn't judge a person based on their name. That is a genuinely stupid and probably won't get you far in life. It's not so bad if you just think a name is silly but don't use that as an excuse to judge the person.
gossipmeng wrote: Tamisha is actually a very simple name.... I work with people with wayyy more complexity in their names....
I was just thinking the same thing. Part of my job is to make people in 3 office towers passcards, and man, I will occasionally come across one with 20 characters or like 6 in a row without a vowel and my immediate (facetious) thought is "if I'm going to get through this without four typos I'm going to need more coffee".
Oh sure, it seems simple enough, and then you run into a Thanandathrananand...
Anyway, one culture's/society's 'normal name' is another's 'bat-gak crazy talk'.
d-usa wrote: To be fair, it's not just because of spelling.
He also implied that somebody with an African sounding name comes with "a certain attitude".
What if someone has a name like, say Vladimir... but they spell it something like Wlademyr, or something, by his logic, he should pass them over, because they have a "tribal sounding name". I mean, I get that the "tribe" in this case would be from Rus, not Africa.
d-usa wrote: To be fair, it's not just because of spelling.
He also implied that somebody with an African sounding name comes with "a certain attitude".
What if someone has a name like, say Vladimir... but they spell it something like Wlademyr, or something, by his logic, he should pass them over, because they have a "tribal sounding name". I mean, I get that the "tribe" in this case would be from Rus, not Africa.
No, in fairness he does specify Africa.
So it's just that one continent...
Assuming the name is genuinely African and not just American.
hotsauceman1 wrote:The point is there are people who put those names into a negative context. Like in the OP. PArents should realize this and not give them non-names
YEAH! feth all those people who aren't willing to name their children traditional English names, even when their heritage is a culture that is not English.
...seriously hotsaiceman1, consider your statement for a minute, and then decide if you want to delete it or not.
hotsauceman1 wrote:The point is there are people who put those names into a negative context. Like in the OP. PArents should realize this and not give them non-names
YEAH! feth all those people who aren't willing to name their children traditional English names, even when their heritage is a culture that is not English.
...seriously hotsaiceman1, consider your statement for a minute, and then decide if you want to delete it or not.
I maybe wrong but I think quite a few white people names aren't even European like I heard somewhere that the name "Ryan" is Arabic in origin.
hotsauceman1 wrote:The point is there are people who put those names into a negative context. Like in the OP. PArents should realize this and not give them non-names
YEAH! feth all those people who aren't willing to name their children traditional English names, even when their heritage is a culture that is not English.
...seriously hotsaiceman1, consider your statement for a minute, and then decide if you want to delete it or not.
I maybe wrong but I think quite a few white people names aren't even European like I heard somewhere that the name "Ryan" is Arabic in origin.
Probably.
Which makes the idea of 'white people' names really stupid.
hotsauceman1 wrote:The point is there are people who put those names into a negative context. Like in the OP. PArents should realize this and not give them non-names
YEAH! feth all those people who aren't willing to name their children traditional English names, even when their heritage is a culture that is not English.
...seriously hotsaiceman1, consider your statement for a minute, and then decide if you want to delete it or not.
Im not saying please don't try and bypass the language filter like this. reds8n hem. Im saying dont be surprised when your kid cannot get a job. This goes for all people who try to be unique with names. you try to make something individual for your child. but you end up making it harder for them later in life. Like the WHITE ANGLO SAXION girl I met named Dorcus.
Admittedly there is a difference between individual and absurd. However, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect equal treatment before a person has even seen you. At that stage all they know about you can be written on their hand. That is, they know your name. From that they are making a massive assumption about your character and background.
There's no reason anyone should have to put up with that.
To be honest the idea expressed is not new, or uncommon. Being the idiot that lets everyone know that they ascribe to it kind of is.
There is a whole chapter in Freakonomics about names and their impacts on ones future prospects in life. If I remember it goes something like this. People will say that it is wrong to judge based on a name,however everyone knows it happens. Parents who want their children to succeed will give them socially acceptable names and then guide them to be socially acceptable and productive members of society. Parents who don't really care about their own success rarely care about their children's success and will name them whatever they feel like, no matter how outlandish and most likely raise them in an environment where success is not a major priority. Therefore the name of a native (not foreign born, or 1st generation) is predictive of their success in the standard working establishment. Oddly enough this bias did not seam to effect foreigners as much, people actually expect them to have sounding foreign names.
And it isn't secondarily conscious is what im saying. It can be unconscious aswell. We humans tend to go with the familiar even if it is at a subconscious level. We like to surround ourselves with things that are like us.
The point is they are both stupid but both happen. And being a brony isnt going to affect my job prospects.
And My parents cant tell me what to watch at 21.
What im getting at is giving you kids a weird name is irresponsible because it affects their job aspects later in life. Like my name, It is unique and rarily seen, but it isnt odd
hotsauceman1 wrote: The point is they are both stupid but both happen. And being a brony isnt going to affect my job prospects.
And My parents cant tell me what to watch at 21.
What im getting at is giving you kids a weird name is irresponsible because it affects their job aspects later in life. Like my name, It is unique and rarily seen, but it isnt odd
Lots of judging going on by you here...
And I sense some hostility towards getting judged yourself...
I got judged alot, but nt for being a brony, but for wearing a cowboy hat to school. It was my choice to wear hat hat, I liked it alot. So i endured. Now If my mom stitched that hat to me when I was born, to where I would be mocked constantly and unable to get a job, that would be irresponsible. Catch my drift?
Its perception. Its not judging. Everyone perception on what they see or how they are view is influence by what they say and do. Example will be the word "Hero". Being called a "Hero" means your known to do something real risky. In the military getting called a "Hero" is another way of calling someone "Stupid"
Firstly, the manager in the OP is a moron. I like a little variety in the names. My last crew of a dozen guys had four Mikes and two Kevins. That was annoying. I would have welcomed a !Xobile.
I do get annoyed when parents give their kids names that they clearly chose because they wanted everyone to know how cool and edgy they are. Like my acquaintance who named her children Mercy Danger Smith and Scarlett Fever Smith. I wanted to punch her in the mouth.
hotsauceman1 wrote: And it isn't secondarily conscious is what im saying. It can be unconscious aswell. We humans tend to go with the familiar even if it is at a subconscious level. We like to surround ourselves with things that are like us.
The point surely being that the proper course of action is to encourage people to recognise when they're falling into those kinds of mental traps and work to overcome that obvious deficiency in rational thinking, not to shame parents for giving their children names which appeal to them or reflect a non-normative cultural heritage as you suggest.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I do ask a question. Why do people give thier kids names like "Tamisha" or "Lashonda" and other names like that? They are not realistic and people, subconsciously and consciously tend to skip over those names on applications and such
Because the parents are fething idiots.
And yeah, there was a fairly famous study that showed that names like that do get missed over in job applications. But what its interesting is that while the original study in to that assumed it was a racial bias causing those typically black names to be ignored, subsequent studies did the same with typically working class white names like Jayden and Mykynzy... and found the same result. What people were rejecting wasn't race, but class.
Point being, don't give your child a made up name, whether you're white or black. Not just because your kid will find it harder to get a job, but also because made up names are almost always lame.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: The point is there are people who put those names into a negative context. Like in the OP. PArents should realize this and not give them non-names
There's that, but there's also the point that names should sound pleasing to the ear. Most people can't make up a word with a lyrical quality, and so they think up stuff like Shaquanda, or play around with the spelling until you get Mykynzy.
At the end of the day very few of us can just make up words like Tolkien. So if you aren't a professor of linguistics, just use a normal name, please.
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d-usa wrote: There are people that will put people who watch shows about ponies in a negative context.
Parents should realize this and not let their children watch MLP.
No, but people probably shouldn't put it under the hobbies section of their resume.
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azazel the cat wrote: YEAH! feth all those people who aren't willing to name their children traditional English names, even when their heritage is a culture that is not English.
There's a difference between a non-traditional name, and something that was just made up. Mykynzy is just as bad as Shaquanda.
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Andrew1975 wrote: There is a whole chapter in Freakonomics about names and their impacts on ones future prospects in life. If I remember it goes something like this. People will say that it is wrong to judge based on a name,however everyone knows it happens. Parents who want their children to succeed will give them socially acceptable names and then guide them to be socially acceptable and productive members of society. Parents who don't really care about their own success rarely care about their children's success and will name them whatever they feel like, no matter how outlandish and most likely raise them in an environment where success is not a major priority. Therefore the name of a native (not foreign born, or 1st generation) is predictive of their success in the standard working establishment. Oddly enough this bias did not seam to effect foreigners as much, people actually expect them to have sounding foreign names.
I can't remember if Freakonomics over-reached on that point (as it did on plenty of others) or if you're reading too much in to that chapter. I remember them pointing out that lots of names, including all the made up names, have come to be associated with people in lower socio-economic groups, and noting that resumes with these names on them tended to be over-looked. Which, in combination with a tendency for the parents to come from lower socio-economic groups, would explain why these people tend to be in lower socio-economic groups themselves.
I don't recall anything about them being in environments where success is less important. That sounds very speculative.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I do ask a question. Why do people give thier kids names like "Tamisha" or "Lashonda" and other names like that? They are not realistic and people, subconsciously and consciously tend to skip over those names on applications and such
Because the parents are fething idiots.
And yeah, there was a fairly famous study that showed that names like that do get missed over in job applications. But what its interesting is that while the original study in to that assumed it was a racial bias causing those typically black names to be ignored, subsequent studies did the same with typically working class white names like Jayden and Mykynzy... and found the same result. What people were rejecting wasn't race, but class.
Seb, how do you feel about using a "traditional name" but using a more ethnic spelling of it? An example I can think of is, here in the States, many people who have this name spell it Ian, however there more spellings in Ireland, such as Iain. In similar vein, there's Shawn and Sean, with the occasional (and often viewed as lower class) Shon.
I agree that if you are going to give your kids a name like Mackenzie, don't spell it Mykynzy, as that is just idiotic.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Seb, how do you feel about using a "traditional name" but using a more ethnic spelling of it? An example I can think of is, here in the States, many people who have this name spell it Ian, however there more spellings in Ireland, such as Iain. In similar vein, there's Shawn and Sean, with the occasional (and often viewed as lower class) Shon.
We called our daughter is Amelia*. There's an Italian version, Emelia, which is really pretty, but we weren't going to use it because we're not really Italian and ultimately we'd just be playing around with spelling.
Now, to clarify, my wife's grandparent migrated from Italy, their first language was Italian. My wife's Mum speaks Italian as a second language, and my wife knows a few verbs but that's about it. So we're not Italian enough to use a traditional spelling. If my wife spoke fluent Italian and it was a name common in her family, that'd be different.
*Then there's the other thing, where you give your kid a flavour of the month name. There were three other Amelias born in the hospital the same week as ours. In our defence we had no idea
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Seb, how do you feel about using a "traditional name" but using a more ethnic spelling of it? An example I can think of is, here in the States, many people who have this name spell it Ian, however there more spellings in Ireland, such as Iain. In similar vein, there's Shawn and Sean, with the occasional (and often viewed as lower class) Shon.
We called our daughter is Amelia*. There's an Italian version, Emelia, which is really pretty, but we weren't going to use it because we're not really Italian and ultimately we'd just be playing around with spelling.
Now, to clarify, my wife's grandparent migrated from Italy, their first language was Italian. My wife's Mum speaks Italian as a second language, and my wife knows a few verbs but that's about it. So we're not Italian enough to use a traditional spelling. If my wife spoke fluent Italian and it was a name common in her family, that'd be different.
*Then there's the other thing, where you give your kid a flavour of the month name. There were three other Amelias born in the hospital the same week as ours. In our defence we had no idea
I knew a couple who did the exact opposite. Somehow they turned "Isabella" into "Yzzabella" I feel bad for that poor girl in the future.
He doesn't like "African" names? I guess he wouldn't like Pretorious or Kruger then - those have been on the continent for at least a couple hundred years.
Gitkikka wrote: He doesn't like "African" names? I guess he wouldn't like Pretorious or Kruger then - those have been on the continent for at least a couple hundred years.
Anyone else find it impossible to hear those names and not think, barrel chest, big moustache with curled tips, safari hat, maybe a monocle?
I have said it before. It was on reddit and CNN said it was unverified.
I dont believe it happened. OR if it did that guy did something else and didnt know what it was
hotsauceman1 wrote: The point is they are both stupid but both happen. And being a brony isnt going to affect my job prospects. And My parents cant tell me what to watch at 21.
What im getting at is giving you kids a weird name is irresponsible because it affects their job aspects later in life. Like my name, It is unique and rarily seen, but it isnt odd
almost anything could affect a job application process.
Like pulling up to the interview blasting punk rock, or if the interviewer found out I had a gun collection, or if I watched a show that would be considered odd for a man my age to watch (such as "kids'" shows)
Everything from the way you talk, to the way you sit in the chair affects your interview, whether the person hosting the interview realizes it or does it subconsciously. I had a job interview recently where the manager showed great concern when I stretched. It was stupid to do and instantly there was a dozen questions as the interviewer wanted to know if I got sore easy, or hurt easily, since this would be a very physical position.
I don't have a problem with bronies, but thinking that it wouldn't have an affect on you finding a job if the employer found out beforehand is a bit naive. Its the same reason I don't walk into a job interview with a Black Sabbath T Shirt on, or a 40K book in hand, or quote a South Park episode. Because it CAN affect the interview. In my case, it could imply I have issues with authority (them kids and their rock n roll music), imply I could be "unstable" (guns) or that I lack maturity (south park). To us, this is irrational profiling, but everyone does it on some level. If youve ever crossed the street when some "thugs" walked by, or locked your doors driving through certain neighborhoods, or made generalizations against any group of people, youve done it too. In your case, do you really think a person conducting a job interview won't find it odd that a grown man is watching a show targeted at 10 year old girls to push a line of toys? If I'm conducting an interview, I know it would trip a red flag. I'm not saying its fair, or even reasonable, just that this is life and it will happen.
hotsauceman1 wrote: The point is they are both stupid but both happen. And being a brony isnt going to affect my job prospects. And My parents cant tell me what to watch at 21.
What im getting at is giving you kids a weird name is irresponsible because it affects their job aspects later in life. Like my name, It is unique and rarily seen, but it isnt odd
Don't you have a Pony keychain? That could be enough.
One of the managers I work with wouldn't hire a guy because he was reading a romance novel in the lobby while waiting for him to come down to get the guy for the interview.
hotsauceman1 wrote:The point is there are people who put those names into a negative context. Like in the OP. PArents should realize this and not give them non-names
YEAH! feth all those people who aren't willing to name their children traditional English names, even when their heritage is a culture that is not English.
...seriously hotsaiceman1, consider your statement for a minute, and then decide if you want to delete it or not.
Im not saying please don't try and bypass the language filter like this. reds8n hem. Im saying dont be surprised when your kid cannot get a job. This goes for all people who try to be unique with names. you try to make something individual for your child. but you end up making it harder for them later in life. Like the WHITE ANGLO SAXION girl I met named Dorcus.
Um... I think Dorcus might just be a bit too traditional of a name. Not sure, I honestly think it's a type of flower or something. Whatever, off to make a bookshelf out of Duct Tape and cardboard.
hotsauceman1 wrote: The point is they are both stupid but both happen. And being a brony isnt going to affect my job prospects. And My parents cant tell me what to watch at 21.
What im getting at is giving you kids a weird name is irresponsible because it affects their job aspects later in life. Like my name, It is unique and rarily seen, but it isnt odd
Don't you have a Pony keychain? That could be enough.
One of the managers I work with wouldn't hire a guy because he was reading a romance novel in the lobby while waiting for him to come down to get the guy for the interview.
Illegal? Prove it happened.
Nope, All my pony/nerd paraphernalia are kept in my room. People tend to think is odd so I dont take my nerd out much. why? because I know people dont like it so I keep it away, Same reason I dont watch anime on campus or in a cafe.
Don't confuse being a Brony with being a nerd. There is a bit of crossover on the ven diagram, but in the hierarchy of sub cultures Brony falls somewhere near furry and Gem and The Holograms aficionados. Being a nerd is in vogue, being a brony is still a shameful, terrible thing.
What made me think of this thread was that I accidentally stumbled across that Alicia Silverstone named her child Bear Blu. Let that wash around a bit.
Ahtman wrote: There is a bit of crossover on the ven diagram, but in the hierarchy of sub cultures Brony falls somewhere near furry and Gem and The Holograms aficionados.
Fact 1: Jem's real name is Jerrica, and her Hologram costars are Aja, Shana, and Kimber, all of which which segue quite nicely into this thread.
Fact 2: Jem is truly outrageous.
Fact 3: So far today we've (organically) brought up Transformers, and Jem. I hope to see an Orko or maybe Thundercats reference soon as well. But... don't force it. Just let it come, all natural like.
Ahtman wrote: Don't confuse being a Brony with being a nerd. There is a bit of crossover on the ven diagram, but in the hierarchy of sub cultures Brony falls somewhere near furry and Gem and The Holograms aficionados. Being a nerd is in vogue, being a brony is still a shameful, terrible thing.
I would argue, but Im done trying to defend bronies
Ahtman wrote: Don't confuse being a Brony with being a nerd. There is a bit of crossover on the ven diagram, but in the hierarchy of sub cultures Brony falls somewhere near furry and Gem and The Holograms aficionados. Being a nerd is in vogue, being a brony is still a shameful, terrible thing.
I would argue, but Im done trying to defend bronies
1. Don't be so thin skinned. Just having a spot of fun.
2. There is no defense.*
I think bronyism is an outgrowth of the vacuum left behind when nerd became more mainstream. With the increase in nerd related activities and marketing something needed to fill the void of people being generally looked down on as well as being incredibly exasperating. Along came a cartoon for little girls and some grown ass man said "You know what, I'm not just going to like this, I am going to base my whole life around it. I will also be humorless about it and get upset when people don't understand why a grown man would be obsessed with fictional pre-teen ponies. Or why I am single. God mom, get off my back!" Nature, after all, abhors a vacuum.*
I know, you are a nice guy Ahtman and you dont seem insult someones. I will say this though. The "Base my whole life around it" is not specfics to bronys. And no matter what fandom it is it is creepy. I have seen it alot in every sort of hobby an it just makes my skin crawl.
Ouze wrote: Fact 1: Jem's real name is Jerrica, and her Hologram costars are Aja, Shana, and Kimber, all of which which segue quite nicely into this thread.
Fact 2: Jem is truly outrageous.
Fact 3: So far today we've (organically) brought up Transformers, and Jem. I hope to see an Orko or maybe Thundercats reference soon as well. But... don't force it. Just let it come, all natural like.
So Jem is responsible for all the start of this made up name nonsense? Maybe the Misfits were in the right all along.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: I know, you are a nice guy Ahtman and you dont seem insult someones. I will say this though. The "Base my whole life around it" is not specfics to bronys.
I'm not a nice guy and I do often mean to insult people... but Ahtman's theory, even in jest, actually makes a lot of sense.
There is a trend among nerds to seperate themselves from the rest of society, and as a lot of nerd turf has been taken over by the mainstream, I've seen nerds go searching for something even more obscure. And, well, it doesn't get much more obscure than a cartoon for little girls about talking ponies.
And no matter what fandom it is it is creepy. I have seen it alot in every sort of hobby an it just makes my skin crawl.
Andrew1975 wrote: I wonder how they got away with it. I guess maybe because the real band Misfits never really used the the. as in the were Misfits, not The Misfits.
Verve renamed themselves The Verve when they found out there was already a band called Verve, so I guess 'The' is enough of a difference.
Then again, The Killers named themselves after the band that played in the film clip of a New Order film clip... which got to be a problem because the band in that film clip were a real band and were really known as The Killers, and they were none too happy that some other act had taken their name and made it big, which meant they would have to change their name... but nothing came of it that I'm aware of, so maybe there's no real protection for band names?
Andrew1975 wrote: I wonder how they got away with it. I guess maybe because the real band Misfits never really used the the. as in the were Misfits, not The Misfits.
Verve renamed themselves The Verve when they found out there was already a band called Verve, so I guess 'The' is enough of a difference.
Then again, The Killers named themselves after the band that played in the film clip of a New Order film clip... which got to be a problem because the band in that film clip were a real band and were really known as The Killers, and they were none too happy that some other act had taken their name and made it big, which meant they would have to change their name... but nothing came of it that I'm aware of, so maybe there's no real protection for band names?
I believe most bands copyright their names or something like that. Skid Row (the hair metal band) had to buy their name from a blues rock guy who's name escapes me at the moment.
I maybe wrong but I think quite a few white people names aren't even European like I heard somewhere that the name "Ryan" is Arabic in origin.
Ryan is Irish.
A lot of European names are semitic in origin because they were taken from the bible. Names like John, Sam, Rachel, Sarah, Bethany, Elizabeth, Mathew, David etc.
Rupert is a variation of Robert, both of which come from the ancient German name Hrodebert which means bright fame. Robin is also from this name as is Bob.
I think the real problem with those made up African American names is that they are seen as ghetto names and are therfore associated with ghetto values. Many (most?) black americans continue to use the names that the early settlers from the British Isles brought with them.
They're also made up from random syllables, names are important and should have meaning beyond being a label for someone. Those people who call their kids Apple, Blanket, River etc do get criticized, but they also have money to ensure that their kids do well regardless of what doors are closed because of their names.
Reddit isn’t just a clearinghouse for interviews, animal pictures, and crazy stories. It’s also a place where people ask questions and have discussions. Yesterday, one user wondered about “black” names, posing a question to the “Black American parents of Reddit,” as he put it. “Before racism is called out, I have plenty of black friends,” he noted, raising the question of why he didn’t ask these alleged friends. “[I’m] just curious why you name your kids names like D’brickishaw, Barkevious D’quell and so on?”
Setting aside the many problems with this question—for one, “Black American parents” aren’t a monolith–there’s an actual answer here. In a 2003 paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research, economist Roland Fryer found two things. First, that names like Reginald and Kiara are far more likely among black children than names like Jake and Molly, and second, that this is a recent development. In the 1960s, Anglo-American names were common among African American children. It wasn’t until the 1970s and the rise of the Black Power movement that this shifted in the other direction. ”The underlying philosophy of the Black Power movement,“ writes Fryer, ”was to encourage Blacks to accentuate and affirm black culture and fight the claims of black inferiority.” The adoption of “black” names is consistent with other cultural changes—like “natural hair"—prompted by the movement. African Americans wanted to distinguish themselves from whites, and naming was an easy means to the end.
Of course, there are plenty of African Americans who give their kids Anglo names. The idea that they don’t—that all black parents use the same naming convention—is ridiculous. And popular culture notwithstanding, these distinctive names aren’t especially common. The most popular African American baby names—Aaliyah, Gabrielle, Kiara, Cameron, Jordan, and Nathan—are perfectly ordinary.
If there is a question worth asking about race and naming, it’s not “why do black people use these names?” it’s “why do we only focus on black people in these conversations?” Indeed, there’s a whole universe of (hacky) jokes premised on the assumed absurdity of so-called “ghetto” names. Derision for these names—and often, the people who have them—is culturally acceptable.
But black children aren’t the only ones with unusual names. It’s not hard to find white kids with names like Braelyn and Declyn. And while it’s tempting to chalk this up to poverty—in the Reddit thread, there was wide agreement that this was a phenomenon of poor blacks and poor whites—the wealthy are no strangers to unique names. The popular Netflix show Orange is the New Black, written by a Jenji Kohan (a white woman), was based on the experiences of a Piper Kerman (also a white woman). And in last year’s presidential election, nearly 61 million people voted for a Willard Mitt Romney, at the same time that the current head of the Republican National Committee was (and is) a Reince Priebus.
MrMoustaffa wrote: I believe most bands copyright their names or something like that. Skid Row (the hair metal band) had to buy their name from a blues rock guy who's name escapes me at the moment.
Interesting. I wonder if its a nationality thing, then, so that a band in the UK might copyright its name there, but that has no practical enforcement in the US (maybe it might have some legal enforcement, but in practice a small band trying to establish itself is unlikely to have the resources to enforce its copyright in another country).
But black children aren’t the only ones with unusual names. It’s not hard to find white kids with names like Braelyn and Declyn. And while it’s tempting to chalk this up to poverty—in the Reddit thread, there was wide agreement that this was a phenomenon of poor blacks and poor whites—the wealthy are no strangers to unique names. The popular Netflix show Orange is the New Black, written by a Jenji Kohan (a white woman), was based on the experiences of a Piper Kerman (also a white woman). And in last year’s presidential election, nearly 61 million people voted for a Willard Mitt Romney, at the same time that the current head of the Republican National Committee was (and is) a Reince Priebus.[/b]
Yeah, there's a lot of really stupid names in American politics. That seems the other side of the coin, the very rich give their children stupid names just like the very poor do.
MrMoustaffa wrote: I believe most bands copyright their names or something like that. Skid Row (the hair metal band) had to buy their name from a blues rock guy who's name escapes me at the moment.
Interesting. I wonder if its a nationality thing, then, so that a band in the UK might copyright its name there, but that has no practical enforcement in the US (maybe it might have some legal enforcement, but in practice a small band trying to establish itself is unlikely to have the resources to enforce its copyright in another country).
Yeah, when Bush made it big up here with Glycerine, they had to be called Bush X because we already had a band called Bush. But the UK act were still Bush everywhere else.
I wonder how, and if it happens, people will react when, say, our new Chinese overlords decline to interview potential employees because their names sound too "Anglo-Saxon."
But black children aren’t the only ones with unusual names. It’s not hard to find white kids with names like Braelyn and Declyn. And while it’s tempting to chalk this up to poverty—in the Reddit thread, there was wide agreement that this was a phenomenon of poor blacks and poor whites—the wealthy are no strangers to unique names. The popular Netflix show Orange is the New Black, written by a Jenji Kohan (a white woman), was based on the experiences of a Piper Kerman (also a white woman). And in last year’s presidential election, nearly 61 million people voted for a Willard Mitt Romney, at the same time that the current head of the Republican National Committee was (and is) a Reince Priebus.[/b]
Yeah, there's a lot of really stupid names in American politics. That seems the other side of the coin, the very rich give their children stupid names just like the very poor do.
Thing is though, Willard (as in Romney) isn't that weird of a name... It's just like Gertrude, or Helga... Old Fashioned, and not very popular any more.
