If you were a human, (pysker, librarian , marine, guardsman, prostitute, doesn't matter) in the 40k verse, do you think you could resist chaos? or would you fall to it? If you would fall, which dark god do you think you would fall under?

I may be able to resist if I was a marine, but I would most likely fall to either slaanesh or tzeentch

I don't know, Slaanesh looks pretty great, not to mention Khorne.

Since a staggering number of Marines fall, I don't think any of us, if we were who we are IRL, just suddenly transferred to being a 40K character, would have a hope in Hell of resisting the lure of Chaos.

All of us here are too liberally-minded, too enamoured of personal freedoms, of representative democracies (or other forms of liberal, democratic political structures), our various freedoms of expression and belief, and all the things that make the vast majority of us citizens of Western liberal democracies to survive the reality of 40K for more than a minute.

Nurgle for family,Tzeentch for trollery or khorne so I can meet Kharn(hes a fun guy)So hard to choose...

Not going to lie, I'd probably be one of those people who thought they were staying strong but had actually fallen to the ruinous powers.

That's the worst kind...

 Psienesis wrote:
Since a staggering number of Marines fall, I don't think any of us, if we were who we are IRL, just suddenly transferred to being a 40K character, would have a hope in Hell of resisting the lure of Chaos.

All of us here are too liberally-minded, too enamoured of personal freedoms, of representative democracies (or other forms of liberal, democratic political structures), our various freedoms of expression and belief, and all the things that make the vast majority of us citizens of Western liberal democracies to survive the reality of 40K for more than a minute.

This is pretty much spot on.

 Psienesis wrote:
Since a staggering number of Marines fall, I don't think any of us, if we were who we are IRL, just suddenly transferred to being a 40K character, would have a hope in Hell of resisting the lure of Chaos.

All of us here are too liberally-minded, too enamoured of personal freedoms, of representative democracies (or other forms of liberal, democratic political structures), our various freedoms of expression and belief, and all the things that make the vast majority of us citizens of Western liberal democracies to survive the reality of 40K for more than a minute.

And if any of us somehow managed to resist, we'd be killed by the Arbites for heresy. :I

Khorne so I can troll Slaanesh and Nurgle so I can troll Tzeench.

Then again, Malal sounds like fun too.

Hmm, I get the choice of being a grinding slave of the imperium, or shut up and go back to your grinding, slave?

Lube me up, because orgying until I'm incapable of feeling anymore sounds like a lot better way to end my wretched existence rather than whatever else is being offered.

I'd rather not! Though considering the fact that those spankers can twist your mind, that might not count for much.

I guess I'd try to resist, and if I thought I was failing and still had the sanity to do so then I'd just self-martyr. I prefer my mind and body the way they are, thanks.

The way it works is you either die before you turn or you turn and then die haha. Both kinda suck... there's a lot of dying.

But I think i'd go for Tzeentch. Being able to mutate and learn stuff is cool. Plus, who knows when that extra tentacle will come in handy... ladies

Chances are I would be killed as a nameless gaurdsman before I got to choose.

In all honesty though I would probably stay with the Big E. I'm all about obeying the law and not questioning things that I'm told not to question.

I'd defect to the Tau.

 dementedwombat wrote:
Not going to lie, I'd probably be one of those people who thought they were staying strong but had actually fallen to the ruinous powers.

That's the worst kind...

Like Draigo

I'd gravitate toward the Dark Mechanicus with a bit of Tzeentch on the side. Crafting Daemon engines and learning to do them better? Hells yes.

I'd probably end up with Tzeentch, though I imagine if I could make it to being a Space Marine I could resist solely on the basis of aspiring to protect mankind and better it.

I'd surely end up in conflict with the Inquisition, but I don't think I would fall to chaos.

But as a regular citizen, totes would.

Emperors a false God anyway. So i'd probably fall to slaanesh or khorne

Da krimson barun wrote:
so I can meet Kharn(hes a fun guy)

Did you read what I posted here?

I'd be pretty vulnerable, I think. Especially if I suddenly started manifesting warp powers.

I'm a fairly angry dude, and while I struggle to control my temper, I think that if Khorne (or his agents) were to give me some direct attention, they could push me over the edge pretty quickly.

Thanks to Black Library fiction, I've got far too much distrust of Slaanesh or Tzeentchian forces to ever trust them enough to fall in their direction. I think that the lure of magical power might tempt me down Tzeentch's path, but I'd be far more likely to try and keep a neutral balance between two or more chaos gods if I were a chaos sorcerer.

Nurgle, though, Nurgle could get me. Immortality? Want that. Oh, rather than give me a bunch of cool things and make it to where I can't enjoy them, like all the other chaos powers, Nurgle will instead give me a bunch of terrible things but make it to where I'm happy with them? Awesome. So...immortality and happiness? At the cost of everyone else thinking I'm awful and a horrible monster (except other Nurglites)? If I was already down the rabbit hole of chaos taint and sorcery, I think I'd wind up in this direction, definitely.

 Happyjew wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
so I can meet Kharn(hes a fun guy)

Did you read what I posted here?

I read it on 14dchan.

I wouldn't be any more or less likely to than anyone else; I'm just some dude. As someone who isn't terribly devout or big on religious presence or being told what to think, I guess it's a decent possibility since I would just go for whatever Imperium alternatives there are. However,

 Very Superstitious wrote:
Chances are I would be killed as a nameless gaurdsman before I got to choose.[

This is probably the most likely answer, all things considered.

If you were a hotdog.....

I'd love to join Chaos. At least they appreciated liberal ideas and free religion.

Stay loyal, chaos sucks!

welshhoppo wrote:
I'd love to join Chaos. At least they appreciated liberal ideas and free religion.

Hardly. The abhor free thoughts that go against their ideals. And them being an alternative religion doesn't mean that they support free religion at all. They still hate other religions, and want to kill or convert anybody who doesn't worship Chaos.

Nurgle. Easily. He loves you, makes you immune to pain, and empowered by illnesses. And he's the only god to care for you, and guarantee daemonhood after death (as a lesser daemon, admittedly, but still daemonhood).

All of the gods could corrupt me.

I've always been a angry little man. So Khorne would corrupt me by giving me power to exact vengeance. And then probably only waste his gift and troll people on the internet.

Tzeench would corrupt me by feeding my child like curiosity about -EVERYTHING- And use this knowledge for nefarious ends. It also would be handy if he mutated my hands into bear paws. See above.

Nurgle....Well I think this guy would appeal to me the most. He's always happy. The smell wouldn't bother me. Have you -seen- the Wargamers in southern BC? I'd be fine. I'd also have my already high pain tolerance increased and Plague Marine armor is pretty fething sweet looking.

Slannesh. I like girls. Nuff said.

Hrm...think here for a second.
My steadfast nature, but latent pessimism would lean me towards nurgle most likely.
However, my inability to take criticism well, and persuit of perfection might send me towards slaanesh.

Its a toss up I suppose.

I somehow think that if I lived in the 40k universe and Slaanesh would come by my place offering me eternal youth... yeah I'd go for it.

 Troike wrote:

welshhoppo wrote:
I'd love to join Chaos. At least they appreciated liberal ideas and free religion.

Hardly. The abhor free thoughts that go against their ideals. And them being an alternative religion doesn't mean that they support free religion at all. They still hate other religions, and want to kill or convert anybody who doesn't worship Chaos.

Indeed! [burn the heretic I say]

 sing your life wrote:

 Troike wrote:

welshhoppo wrote:
I'd love to join Chaos. At least they appreciated liberal ideas and free religion.

Hardly. The abhor free thoughts that go against their ideals. And them being an alternative religion doesn't mean that they support free religion at all. They still hate other religions, and want to kill or convert anybody who doesn't worship Chaos.

Indeed! [burn the heretic I say]

I forget that sarcasm doesn't always translate into text.

But still, Chaos for the win! I'd love to be a cess-pit of nurgle, laughing as bullets enter my body but don't bother me.

Slannesh. Free drugs and sex?
It would be hard to resist that sirens song.

Would I fall? Oh, apocalyptically so.
Probably end up leaning towards Slaanesh - I mean, everyone wants to be adored, right?
Plus I could have drag races with Doomrider. Who is awesome.

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Would I fall? Oh, apocalyptically so.
Probably end up leaning towards Slaanesh - I mean, everyone wants to be adored, right?
Plus I could have drag races with Doomrider. Who is awesome.

So you would ware wigs and dresses while riding your bikes, I guess I can see why you chose Slaanesh.

I would probably fall to Tzeentch. I would get to hunt knowledge and screw with peoples' heads for the rest of my life. I would also be a psyker with a spell familiar.

I'd follow my own path, using chaos as a tool, maybe it would corrupt me, but then again I'm a sucker for logic and logic can't be corrupted.

I don't think I would... unless they were offering free miniatures

 TheDungen wrote:
I'd follow my own path, using chaos as a tool, maybe it would corrupt me, but then again I'm a sucker for logic and logic can't be corrupted.

Hahaha.... oh, ye of little faith. Of *course* logic can be corrupted! That's what Chaos is all about. Nothing is true, and everything is permitted. The agents of Chaos will show you vistas of reality far stranger than you could ever have conceived of as possible, sights that shatter the mind and shrivel the soul into a pain-maddened husk.

Khorne, hands down. I'd be drawn to the simplicity of it all, being given black and white answers to everything. No shades of grey, just red. Red everywhere.

Chaos worship has steep costs in the material realm, let alone the immaterial realm, where by all accounts your souls then belong to those gods to do with as they please.
- Nurgle worshipers become diseased and otherwise horrible. Not an acceptable cost.
- Khorne worshippers will likely die in his service, also become more focused purely on violence, losing who they are. Not an acceptable cost.
- Slaanesh worshippers constantly need stronger sensations, when they don't get them they feel horrible. Not an acceptable cost.
- Tzeentch worshippers get intertwined in his schemes. This can work out, but is more likely to just get you killed as Tzeentch doens't help you, he uses you.

No, it's not worth falling to chaos. The Imperium - and other main races that oppose chaos - are far from perfect, but they are still far better options than falling to chaos. Still a lot of fun to play as chaos though in games ; p

 TheDungen wrote:
I'd follow my own path, using chaos as a tool, maybe it would corrupt me, but then again I'm a sucker for logic and logic can't be corrupted.

Define logic

Logic only works if the logician is sane


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 Yonan wrote:
Chaos worship has steep costs in the material realm, let alone the immaterial realm, where by all accounts your souls then belong to those gods to do with as they please.
- Nurgle worshipers become diseased and otherwise horrible. Not an acceptable cost.
- Khorne worshippers will likely die in his service, also become more focused purely on violence, losing who they are. Not an acceptable cost.
- Slaanesh worshippers constantly need stronger sensations, when they don't get them they feel horrible. Not an acceptable cost.
- Tzeentch worshippers get intertwined in his schemes. This can work out, but is more likely to just get you killed as Tzeentch doens't help you, he uses you.

No, it's not worth falling to chaos. The Imperium - and other main races that oppose chaos - are far from perfect, but they are still far better options than falling to chaos. Still a lot of fun to play as chaos though in games ; p

Nurgle's cost: Everyone around you loves you, and you don't care that you're what mortals would abhor (win-win)
Khorne's cost: All you cared about is killing anyways, but you still probably die (meh)
Slaanesh's cost: Only acceptable cost if you become a daemon (pretty bad)
Tzeentch's cost: You'd have to be mad to join him, and most of them are.

I would probably fold like a bent playing card, given much of the Imperium's living conditions.

Heck, if they told me Chaos has free icecream I'd turn traitor in an instant.

Tzeentch take the wheel!

the Imperium and chaos! I'd rather be working for the Orks!

"Some slaves are chained to machines, serving as their perpetual operators. Others are forced to make weapons in Ork workshops under the beady eyes of Mekboyz and Gretchin overseers. Some rise rapidly in Ork status on account of their expertise and talent. In fact, a talented alien slave can often rise to a position of respect in Ork society more quickly than a free citizen can in his own society. This is due to the fact that a talented slave is a rare commodity. Orks are quick to recognise useful skills and are easily impressed by know-how, especially technical and administrative skills. Slaves with these talents get respect and rewards they might never get at home. In fact, some slaves willingly work for their Ork masters and become trusted advisors."

-Waargh the Orks

FOR THE WAAAAAGHHHH! (but really though thats awesome, orks are the good guys!)

Based on the books of Eisenhorn and many others, I would hold off as long as possible. I'd consider myself a Puritan through and through, until I realize after slaughtering tons of people to "better mankind" that I had become a Radical and started dipping into the forces of the Warp.
Usually, you won't even know you're a Chaos pawn until it's to late!

I'd instantly fall to the Chaos God of Fenris: ale. No seriously, I'd either become a Space wolf or drink myself to death trying.

I don't know, which one offers cookies?

If I were to suddenly become an Imperial citizen, I wouldn't even know about Chaos, would I? And if I did, I'd be killed for admitting it.. I'd be dead before I turned to Chaos

If I was a marine I'd stand tall but if I was any other human I'd probably go to the God of Chaos Khorne

I'll be honest.

Slaanesh,

Gargantuan wrote: the Imperium and chaos! I'd rather be working for the Orks!

"Some slaves are chained to machines, serving as their perpetual operators. Others are forced to make weapons in Ork workshops under the beady eyes of Mekboyz and Gretchin overseers. Some rise rapidly in Ork status on account of their expertise and talent. In fact, a talented alien slave can often rise to a position of respect in Ork society more quickly than a free citizen can in his own society. This is due to the fact that a talented slave is a rare commodity. Orks are quick to recognise useful skills and are easily impressed by know-how, especially technical and administrative skills. Slaves with these talents get respect and rewards they might never get at home. In fact, some slaves willingly work for their Ork masters and become trusted advisors."

-Waargh the Orks

raiden wrote:FOR THE WAAAAAGHHHH! (but really though thats awesome, orks are the good guys!)

While this is true, you must remember that first of all, you must have talent, and secondly, you must also be able to communicate in Orkish.

Which means being able to hand out and take hard thumps every few grunts, snorts, snarls and yellings of "WAAAGH!"

 Yonan wrote:
Chaos worship has steep costs in the material realm, let alone the immaterial realm, where by all accounts your souls then belong to those gods to do with as they please.
- Nurgle worshipers become diseased and otherwise horrible. Not an acceptable cost.
- Khorne worshippers will likely die in his service, also become more focused purely on violence, losing who they are. Not an acceptable cost.
- Slaanesh worshippers constantly need stronger sensations, when they don't get them they feel horrible. Not an acceptable cost.
- Tzeentch worshippers get intertwined in his schemes. This can work out, but is more likely to just get you killed as Tzeentch doens't help you, he uses you.

No, it's not worth falling to chaos. The Imperium - and other main races that oppose chaos - are far from perfect, but they are still far better options than falling to chaos. Still a lot of fun to play as chaos though in games ; p

Forgive me if the information is available, but I'm wondering what happens to a true believer in the Imperial cult after he or she dies. Do they join with the Emperor in the warp?

I never boast that I would be able to pass some test or trial of adversity, as you never know how you will react in a given situation until you have actually been tested. Can anyone here honestly say they have prior experience in resisting the temptations of Chaos?

I can however say that I wouldn't want to fall to Chaos. The Chaos gods are clearly evil in the classic sense, and don't particularly have your best interests at heart. You're just ants to squash and torment, or pawns on a chessboard. The only way you can possibly hope for a positive, desirable fate in the service of the Chaos Gods would be if you were nasty and evil yourself, and stronger than all the other Champions of Chaos vying for your God's favour.

But I can totally understand why one would wish to rebel against the Imperium. It is after all a brutal, bureaucratic, bigoted, totalitarian, superstitious, xenophobic Empire.

So I would either (hope) to be a loyal citizen of the Empire, or an indepedent-minded secessionist rebel who avoided the temptations of Chaos.

I think the latter is one of the possibilities to explain what happened to the two Unknown Primarchs and Legions. Maybe they didn't agree with the direction and ethos of the Imperium, and rebelled, seeking to secede from it but not to destroy it and throw in their lot with Chaos as Horus did. The Emperor couldn't risk a domino effect of Primarchs disobeying him, so ordered Leman Russ to execute them and their legions.

The only chaos god who doesn't completely mortify me is Khorne, since he believes in honoring worthy opponents and straight fights. And though Tzeentch's trollery seems pretty fun, he still lost a chess game against CREED, which I cannot ignore.

Has Switzerland gotten its own planet I can move to, or is that just the Tau?

Truth be told I would likely fall to Chaos. As a standard human I would likely find myself in a position that is not so incredible.

Beaten into submission by the overbearing Imperium and living life virtually (if not in actuality) as a slave would leave little of the positive emotions that might grant one strength to avoid the fall to chaos. Whether in the bowels of a ship or slaving away in an underhive life would be spent searching for any means to either avoid the pain of the lash or find an opportunity to fight back at the technologically uber-advanced overlords. In this environment chaos might not actually look so bad.

Nurgle has rot, but you are already rotting in the belly of the beast. Khorne is brutal, but so are your oppressors (Jim got lobotomized and turned into a servitor last week for stealing bread for his wife and kids -- they got lashed with nuero-whips publically). In this environment you not only find purpose in chaos, but a level of personal freedom that is otherwise lacking. That you can get a modicum of power from your deity if you do -really- well is only icing on the cake.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I never boast that I would be able to pass some test or trial of adversity, as you never know how you will react in a given situation until you have actually been tested. Can anyone here honestly say they have prior experience in resisting the temptations of Chaos?

I'm reminded of one of the early Horus Heresy novels, where a marine contracts a nurgle disease, and is left fighting it in horrible agony for days or weeks before he breaks down. Having experienced ~9's on the pain scale a couple times, if they were to continue unrelenting for a too long and I couldn't top myself... I'd no doubt cave to papa nurgle so he makes it better, regardless of the consequences. I'm not that strong willed ; p

Raiden, how old are you? There's something off about these polls.
Regardless, you never have a choice. If the gods want you to fall, they'll just make you.

 TheDungen wrote:
I'd follow my own path, using chaos as a tool, maybe it would corrupt me, but then again I'm a sucker for logic and logic can't be corrupted.

This would be a start on my path towards the Tzeentch.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Raiden, how old are you? There's something off about these polls.
Regardless, you never have a choice. If the gods want you to fall, they'll just make you.

I am not quite sure what you mean?

I would proberbly end up being an Inquisitor, however i guess i woudl be intregued into uncovering the next stone, and looking at more than the black and white, and look into the shades of grey - i guess ill be on the damned path to Tzeeentch before i even realised

This question is silly. Chaos is usually not something that assaults your mind directly or that you can be directly aware of, most fall without realizing it until they've gone so far they no longer care or they have no other option, that's the nature of Chaos.

You'd have to not only be aware that something like Chaos existed, but be aware of any sort of effect it might be having on you in order to even attempt to fight it, two things which likely would be rather lacking.

You also typically don't have much of a choice as to what faction (if any) you'd fall to, rather your state of mind and state of your physical being likely have more to do with it.

I keep falling to Chaos every time I purchase more 40k stuff from GW. I'm weak and would fall quickly.

I would like to think no, but odds are I would fall into papa nurgles arms considering my health is generally in some state of suck or another

I fell a long time ago

FALLING IS FOR THE WEAK!!!
marine captain or guards recruit i will stand against the tide of evil!!!!

(but i would be khorne, dont spread that i said that or i will get my models and hunt your models down with them!!!)

I think I would fit into the mindless drudgery of the Imperium pretty well. I think I could do about as well as your average Imperial citizen.

 dementedwombat wrote:
Not going to lie, I'd probably be one of those people who thought they were staying strong but had actually fallen to the ruinous powers.

That's the worst kind...

At first we would be the heretics speaking against the IoM. I would probably start doing the things I believe would be right, and then next thing k know tzeentch has already wormed his way in and next thing I know I'm taking a dive in the Eye of Terror.

Or maybe i get lucky and get recruited by the Alpha Legion (my pet CSM force which I believe is working for good in the shadows).

My wife would probably say that based on my general levels of motivation, questionable personal hygiene, problems with authority and affiliation to the generally weird, that I fell to chaos a long time ago.

 raiden wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Raiden, how old are you? There's something off about these polls.
Regardless, you never have a choice. If the gods want you to fall, they'll just make you.

I am not quite sure what you mean?

 Vaktathi wrote:
This question is silly. Chaos is usually not something that assaults your mind directly or that you can be directly aware of, most fall without realizing it until they've gone so far they no longer care or they have no other option, that's the nature of Chaos.

You'd have to not only be aware that something like Chaos existed, but be aware of any sort of effect it might be having on you in order to even attempt to fight it, two things which likely would be rather lacking.

You also typically don't have much of a choice as to what faction (if any) you'd fall to, rather your state of mind and state of your physical being likely have more to do with it.

Pretty much this, Raiden. Most parts of the IOM don't know about chaos, and easily fall despite their intentions, such as happens with several accounts of heresy in the fluff.

 IHateNids wrote:

Said the Necron

 blood ravens addiction wrote:
BLUHD FOAR THE BLUHD GAWD!

Calm down, boy!

 Selym wrote:

Said the Necron

Just remember, the Necron idea of exterminatus isn't "Let's blow up the planet/make it into a lifeless husk!"....it's "Let's make the local star go supernova and engulf the entire system in a fireball of nuclear fusion gone bonkers"

Chance to join chaos and potentially gain unlimited power (at the risk of your body and soul) or be a downtrodden, mistreated and faceless Imperial Citizen?

I would sign on the bloody line in a heartbeat!

you don't want to be that poor guardsman with the bionic arm fighting for his imperium with the heart of a hero?


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 raiden wrote:
you don't want to be that poor guardsman with the bionic arm fighting for his imperium with the heart of a hero?


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Eh, IOM propaganda seems to have you.

Many Guardsmen are forced to fight against their will, others were once hive scum that just don't give a feth, and most have no clue what's going on.

 Selym wrote:

 raiden wrote:
you don't want to be that poor guardsman with the bionic arm fighting for his imperium with the heart of a hero?


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Eh, IOM propaganda seems to have you.

Many Guardsmen are forced to fight against their will, others were once hive scum that just don't give a feth, and most have no clue what's going on.

shhh, don't tell the people that, there ARE some that go because they want to ya know

While I'd like to avoid internet toughgirlisms, I'd like to think my disdain and dislike of Chaos would help me resist the call.

 raiden wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 raiden wrote:
you don't want to be that poor guardsman with the bionic arm fighting for his imperium with the heart of a hero?


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You don't want to be that poor guardsman with the bionic arm fighting for his imperium with the heart of a hero?

Eh, IOM propaganda seems to have you.

Many Guardsmen are forced to fight against their will, others were once hive scum that just don't give a feth, and most have no clue what's going on.

shhh, don't tell the people that, there ARE some that go because they want to ya know

True

Some worlds even stage ritual combat for the right to be part of the guard


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 Melissia wrote:
While I'd like to avoid internet toughgirlisms, I'd like to think my disdain and dislike of Chaos would help me resist the call.

Could work in the right circumstances, but you'd have to know what exactly contributes to chaos.
Nigh-anything can be perverted into heresy by the whims of the warp. But blindly following Imperial Faith will usually lead humanity on the correct path

What if Chaos disguises itself as Imperial Faith?

Ever think about that.

Such an intriguing thread to spot potential puppets of chaos - heretics even!

But regarding the topic: Tzeentch and Slaanesh would most probably get the best of me. My morbid curiousity would be happy to get satisfied by forbidden secrets of both strings of time, and - oh boy - strings of-

*Chaplain walks past the room*

IMPERIUM STRONG! AVE IMPERATOR!

 Nerobellum wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Said the Necron

Just remember, the Necron idea of exterminatus isn't "Let's blow up the planet/make it into a lifeless husk!"....it's "Let's make the local star go supernova and engulf the entire system in a fireball of nuclear fusion gone bonkers"

Aye, and you mortals should remember that XD

Nero, Ill also have you know that I play Marines.

Actually Iron Hands, since before it was cool (literally..)

 Shadowbrand wrote:
What if Chaos disguises itself as Imperial Faith?

Ever think about that.

Dealing with this is the job of the Inquisition.

 Melissia wrote:

 Shadowbrand wrote:
What if Chaos disguises itself as Imperial Faith?

Ever think about that.

Dealing with this is the job of the Inquisition.

who are actually chaos, just like the high lord of terra is hearing the voice of the "emperor" (some dark god/deamon) and following its mandates :p

 raiden wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Shadowbrand wrote:
What if Chaos disguises itself as Imperial Faith?

Ever think about that.

Dealing with this is the job of the Inquisition.

who are actually chaos, just like the high lord of terra is hearing the voice of the "emperor" (some dark god/deamon) and following its mandates :p

The Imperium isn't secretly Chaos. The Tau Empire is secretly Chaos. You've been tricked by the blue people. "Greater good"? In the grimdark? You don't really believe that bs do you?

 Wilytank wrote:

 raiden wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Shadowbrand wrote:
What if Chaos disguises itself as Imperial Faith?

Ever think about that.

Dealing with this is the job of the Inquisition.

who are actually chaos, just like the high lord of terra is hearing the voice of the "emperor" (some dark god/deamon) and following its mandates :p

The Imperium isn't secretly Chaos. The Tau Empire is secretly Chaos. You've been tricked by the blue people. "Greater good"? In the grimdark? You don't really believe that bs do you?

The IoM is not chaos, just the inquisition, grey knights, and the high lord, (though they may not know it yet )

That's only what the Tau want you to think.

see, the tau want you to think that is what they want you to think so you dont think about the things they do not want you to think about so thinking that way is making it so you dont think the things they dont want you to think

 raiden wrote:
see, the tau want you to think that is what they want you to think so you dont think about the things they do not want you to think about so thinking that way is making it so you dont think the things they dont want you to think

And you end up thinking exactly as they don't want you to? Brilliant! Oh wait...

 Selym wrote:

Said the Necron

Nevermore.

 Melissia wrote:
While I'd like to avoid internet toughgirlisms, I'd like to think my disdain and dislike of Chaos would help me resist the call.

Thats what they all say before they fall.

Personally I think tzeentch and slaanesh would have a field day with me, but I think I would most likely fall to slaanesh. Pride and all that.

 Troike wrote:
I'd rather not! Though considering the fact that those spankers can twist your mind, that might not count for much.

I guess I'd try to resist, and if I thought I was failing and still had the sanity to do so then I'd just self-martyr. I prefer my mind and body the way they are, thanks.

This.I am so not into the whole mutating thing....eugh.

 KommissarKiln wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Said the Necron

Nevermore.

Yey, EAP references


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 Troike wrote:
I'd rather not! Though considering the fact that those spankers can twist your mind, that might not count for much.

I guess I'd try to resist, and if I thought I was failing and still had the sanity to do so then I'd just self-martyr. I prefer my mind and body the way they are, thanks.

This.I am so not into the whole mutating thing....eugh.

But... Some things get bigger!

And others can get smaller...

Or you might grow a wing out of your nose...

Or an elephant hedgehog mouse from your left ear...

Oh, I'd absolutely slip to chaos. Tzeentch would have my soul day one. There is no more powerful force that acts upon me in this world than the hopes, the aspirations, the fire within my most core parts.

MY FAITH IS MY SHIELD. I would never fall to Chaos, I'm far too loyal to ever even consider betraying my battle brothers! And if they fell to chaos, I would have to stop them, though I wouldn't enjoy it. Although if I did fall, it would be Malal. The Chaos god that hates Chaos? He might have a shot. I hate mindless bloodshed, excessive rapiness, excessive trolling, and excessive fatness, so none of that.

 Lord Gatlas wrote:
MY FAITH IS MY SHIELD. I would never fall to Chaos, I'm far too loyal to ever even consider betraying my battle brothers! And if they fell to chaos, I would have to stop them, though I wouldn't enjoy it. Although if I did fall, it would be Malal. The Chaos god that hates Chaos? He might have a shot. I hate mindless bloodshed, excessive rapiness, excessive trolling, and excessive fatness, so none of that.

Papa Nurgle wishes to extend his greatest gratitudes towards you for not mentioning the fact that many consider him ugly, and hopes that one day, you too will become a festering pusbag of virulent plagues

 Lord Gatlas wrote:
MY FAITH IS MY SHIELD. I would never fall to Chaos, I'm far too loyal to ever even consider betraying my battle brothers! And if they fell to chaos, I would have to stop them, though I wouldn't enjoy it. Although if I did fall, it would be Malal. The Chaos god that hates Chaos? He might have a shot. I hate mindless bloodshed, excessive rapiness, excessive trolling, and excessive fatness, so none of that.

It is your pride that will be the agent of your fall... that and your misplaced surety that your loyalty cannot change.

Coin-flip, really, between Slaanesh and Tzeentch becoming your patron.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Lord Gatlas wrote:
MY FAITH IS MY SHIELD. I would never fall to Chaos, I'm far too loyal to ever even consider betraying my battle brothers! And if they fell to chaos, I would have to stop them, though I wouldn't enjoy it. Although if I did fall, it would be Malal. The Chaos god that hates Chaos? He might have a shot. I hate mindless bloodshed, excessive rapiness, excessive trolling, and excessive fatness, so none of that.

It is your pride that will be the agent of your fall... that and your misplaced surety that your loyalty cannot change.

Coin-flip, really, between Slaanesh and Tzeentch becoming your patron.

That's true. While pride and intellect may protect you from Khorne and Nurgle, they are both paths to Slaanesh and Tzeentch.

The only assured way to avoid becoming corrupted by chaos is to be a null.

 Selym wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Lord Gatlas wrote:
MY FAITH IS MY SHIELD. I would never fall to Chaos, I'm far too loyal to ever even consider betraying my battle brothers! And if they fell to chaos, I would have to stop them, though I wouldn't enjoy it. Although if I did fall, it would be Malal. The Chaos god that hates Chaos? He might have a shot. I hate mindless bloodshed, excessive rapiness, excessive trolling, and excessive fatness, so none of that.

It is your pride that will be the agent of your fall... that and your misplaced surety that your loyalty cannot change.

Coin-flip, really, between Slaanesh and Tzeentch becoming your patron.

That's true. While pride and intellect may protect you from Khorne and Nurgle, they are both paths to Slaanesh and Tzeentch.

The only assured way to avoid becoming corrupted by chaos is to be a null.

And even then you can serve (e.g. serving slaanesh as a null could just be a priest showering you with various carnal rewards)

Id condem all of mankind to eternal damnation if I got even a hint of what I was promised. The world deserves notting but missery and grief. So yes, Id fall

On the subject of falling, if the chaos gods were real, I'd have already devoted myself to Nurgle.

Immune to pain, and strengthened by illness, with promise of becoming a lesser daemon of Nurgle, to live for all eternity?

Yes, fething, please.

 Swastakowey wrote:
No way would i ever fall to chaos. I LOVE LOOKING NORMAL!!!! and more importantly at least being with the imperium means i have a cause or goal thats more than myself. There are people at home who are actually relying on me and my buddies doing our jobs to protect them. With Chaos its all about being selfish and getting as much out of it as you can. I would probably devote myself to the eradication of chaos. Filthy animals they are

An argument has been made (often by myself), that followers of Nurgle actually aren't always as selfish as the IOM-followers may assume. Nurgle harbours a fatherly love for his followers, and most of his Daemons act like one big loving family. Many turn to Nurgle for the following reasons:

- They need family/someone to care for them, after the IOM leaves them in isolation/desolation, as the cruel and harsh regime that it is.
- They are about to die, and (rightfully) fear for their souls, and thus look to Nurgle to save them.
- They and those around them are wracked with illness (beacuse the IOM cares not about saving them), and need respite (given by accepting their ailments, and reveling in them until Nurgle notices, and takes you under his wing... erm.... rotting flab roll....).

Followers of Nurgle aren't necessarily seeking power, merely respite. It is fear/damnation that drives them to him.

Though, admittedly, those with power on their minds find themselves becoming great champions of the Plague Lord, and end up much better off than most.

 Swastakowey wrote:
No way would i ever fall to chaos. I LOVE LOOKING NORMAL!!!!

The perfection of the human form? Paging Slaanesh, She Who Thirsts, on line 6....

 Swastakowey wrote:
...and more importantly at least being with the imperium means i have a cause or goal thats more than myself. There are people at home who are actually relying on me and my buddies doing our jobs to protect them. With Chaos its all about being selfish and getting as much out of it as you can. I would probably devote myself to the eradication of chaos. Filthy animals they are

Ah, hopes, dreams and ambitions to "protect and serve", and "eradicate the filthy animals of Chaos". Mister Tzeentch, Mister Tzeentch, call holding on line 9...

 Psienesis wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
No way would i ever fall to chaos. I LOVE LOOKING NORMAL!!!!

The perfection of the human form? Paging Slaanesh, She Who Thirsts, on line 6....

 Swastakowey wrote:
...and more importantly at least being with the imperium means i have a cause or goal thats more than myself. There are people at home who are actually relying on me and my buddies doing our jobs to protect them. With Chaos its all about being selfish and getting as much out of it as you can. I would probably devote myself to the eradication of chaos. Filthy animals they are

Ah, hopes, dreams and ambitions to "protect and serve", and "eradicate the filthy animals of Chaos". Mister Tzeentch, Mister Tzeentch, call holding on line 9...

You mis-dialled, and were redirected to Malal, "patron god" of the Ordo Malleus...

 Swastakowey wrote:
Haha i know what you guys mean but still, ever since i started there have been 2 factions that i find absolutly horrid Chaos and Orks. So no matter what from then on my opinion on them will never change. To me Chaos needs nothing more than a decent amount of Las shots and some good old cleansing. orks are at least tollerable haha

If i ever came closs to coming under the influence of chaos id grab the nearest democharge (or similar explosiive or anything) and kill myself along with any traitors fortunate enough to be close by.

I see your point, and raise you a situation.

Chaos tends to make you go insane...

And you won't always be able to commit suicide...

How would you be sure to avoid chaos then?

See, that's the thing. By the time you realize that you're under the control and influence of Chaos, it is far, far, FAR too late to do anything about it, or do any good at all by your self-immolation... and, in fact, your explosive end might be the best thing you could possibly do.


Just as planned...

Fall? You have already Fallen. Welcome to the fold, my Horrors.

Sis? You're worrying me... please take the contacts out...

Aww... ok. Don't worry, only the truly faithful can afford to joke about Chaos.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Stop messing with my head!

safest bet would be to kill myself after coming into contact with it. just to be safe, but even then...

Even then you may have been irrevocably and unknowingly influenced by commanding officers to fight and serve chaos (Last chancers book 1 has a similar situation)

As much as I would love to stand tall and spit in Chaos' face...I am too weak-willed. I would fold almost instantaneously.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Wardragoon wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
Stop messing with my head!

safest bet would be to kill myself after coming into contact with it. just to be safe, but even then...

Even then you may have been irrevocably and unknowingly influenced by commanding officers to fight and serve chaos (Last chancers book 1 has a similar situation)

Yes but thats being mislead, i wouldnt consider that converting to Chaos really. Although they would still deserve to die for accidentally serving Chaos....

Just remember.....Papa nurgle loves his children, even the children who do not know who their spiritual father is.
Besides another problem with staying adamant is the whole plague zombie thing, whether you like it or not at that point you are going "Brainz for nurgle!"

 Wardragoon wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Wardragoon wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
Stop messing with my head!

safest bet would be to kill myself after coming into contact with it. just to be safe, but even then...

Even then you may have been irrevocably and unknowingly influenced by commanding officers to fight and serve chaos (Last chancers book 1 has a similar situation)

Yes but thats being mislead, i wouldnt consider that converting to Chaos really. Although they would still deserve to die for accidentally serving Chaos....

Just remember.....Papa nurgle loves his children, even the children who do not know who their spiritual father is.
Besides another problem with staying adamant is the whole plague zombie thing, whether you like it or not at that point you are going "Brainz for nurgle!"

Ah, my favourite song!

It really depends, where you start out, does it not?
A normal Imperial citizen may never come in contact with chaos, and if he does it is quite clear that they'll be dead or fallen. It could be quite different with an Imperial guardsman... they can be quite tough, or astonishingly weak.
An Astartes may be another case which I won't discuss.
People that have been taught at the Schola Progenitum should have a higher resistance to chaos, I presume (though I might be wrong), through the teachings.

In case of myself, I cannot be sure, since it depends on the situation that I'm thrown into. Though I like to say, I'd rather not fall to chaos, each of the ruinous powers may have some leverage against me, depending on the situation (though, I must say that Nurgle and Slaanesh are least likely).
If I had the choice (which I wouldn't have) I would like to be on the end of the flamer that has a trigger, with some of my trusted, fellow Inquisitorial acolytes having my back.
"Milk for the milk-god and cookies for his throne!" (that WAS the battle cry of the khornate forces wasn't it?) just doesn't sound as great as "Purge the unclean!"

A better question might be "Where in Chaos might you fall? If you fall?"

I certainly would, and I would likely fall to the lure of Tzeentch. Specifically, a part of Ahriman's cadre. If I had a choice in the matter though, I'd like to join either the Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion or even the Night Lords.

I'm a revolutionaire at heart. I would devote myself to the Architect of Fate in the blink of an eye. The power and the resources to enact significant, world-altering changes? Yes, prz.

 Atropamin wrote:

"Milk for the milk-god and cookies for his throne!" (that WAS the battle cry of the khornate forces wasn't it?) just doesn't sound as great as "Purge the unclean!"

We Nurgleites shall NOT take a shower, nor shall we be purged in a bath of fire!

We shall, however, invite you to have a nice, relaxing toxin bath with us

EDIT:
On the subject of where I would fall, it would undoubtedly be Nurgle.
He seems disgusting at first, but if you think about it, that one is all perks. All you have to do is go over to some living things, breathe a bit, and you get rewarded with a loving family, guaranteed immortality and safety for your soul, you need never fear pain or illness...

Yes, and if you accept that smart kids get bullied in school, you're happy with that, too... Nurgle's path disgusts even the part of me that follows Chaos.

Even though I like Nurgle in a way, since he's rather funny and fatherly, those tender feelings () would never override my disgust at the decay and illnesses carried by Nurgleites.
I don't like Khorne, by the way, but it still would be quite likely to fall to him...
Slaanesh is completely out of the question that little upstart
Tzeentch...well, I can live with change...

But still: The Emperor protects!^^

Probably Tzeentch or Nurgle, Slaanesh would get meh after a while, and Khorne sounds fun but isn't my thing. Whereas Nurgle would care for you give you immunity to pain, immortality etc. Tzeentch sounds fun, being a magic badass would be great.

Furyou Miko wrote:Yes, and if you accept that smart kids get bullied in school, you're happy with that, too...

I don't get it,..

Atropamin wrote:Even though I like Nurgle in a way, since he's rather funny and fatherly, those tender feelings () would never override my disgust at the decay and illnesses carried by Nurgleites.
I don't like Khorne, by the way, but it still would be quite likely to fall to him...
Slaanesh is completely out of the question that little upstart
Tzeentch...well, I can live with change...

But still: The Emperor protects!^^

I've always held a respect for Khorne, But it is all RAEGE and mindless killing with him.
Slaanesh always creeped me out, I've never even allowed slaaneshi units in my army.
I like Tzeentch, as I like magic, power and knowledge, but I can't quite get over the fact that he'd readily remove me from existence just to make one guardsman move his left hand at just the right moment to change the flight path of a fly, so that it flies over to an imperial planetary governor and annoy him for a few seconds.

On second thought, I would have been claimed by Khorne if not Tzeentch. While I think of my self as highly inquisitive and insightful, I know that my greatest weakness is my snap temper and rage.

Khorne would have me bound within a Daemon Weapon. @.@

Reason I chose nurgle is:
Tzeentch you are a pawn to his devices ready to be abandoned the moment things get hairy
Khorne: The thing with 'Blood for the Blood God!" is it doesnt matter whos blood is shed, he just wants blood
Slaanesh: He is a bit too rapey for my tastes, and I prefer my only addiction being plastic crack and cigarrettes
Nurgle: While being gross in general, he has the redeeming factor of being capable of positive emotions, granted in a very chaosy way, but heck he views his worshippers as family instead of fodder/pawns, and he even 'loves' a woman/eldar/goddess/whatever Isha is considered.

Oh might as well add...
Emperor:Generally uncaring to his billions-trillions of pawns, bit of a control freak, quite frankly about as bad as tzeentch.

 Wardragoon wrote:

Nurgle: While being gross in general, he has the redeeming factor of being capable of positive emotions, granted in a very chaosy way, but heck he views his worshippers as family instead of fodder/pawns, and he even 'loves' a woman/eldar/goddess/whatever Isha is considered.

Oh might as well add...
Emperor:Generally uncaring to his billions-trillions of pawns, bit of a control freak, quite frankly about as bad as tzeentch.

I feel I should point out, since Nurgle's "jovial nature" has been pointed out over and again, that he eats his favorite children, the Nurgling. ;>> Probably worse.... Plaguebearers are also generally unpleasant beings, which, I guess when we consider which Chaos God would claim us, we should also consider what we might be to that God.

So, if Khorne plucked me up, in the 40k universe, while I think I'd have ended up a Bloodletter, I think it more likely he would make me a Hound. Or perhaps I would just be molded in such a way. @.@

With Tzeentch, I'd like to be a Lord of Change, but I'd probably get no further than a Horror. ><!

I revise a previous statement. Unless I was a commissar, inquisitor or some high-ranking official, I'd probably give up on the political mess that is the Imperium and go to Khorne for honor and glory or Tzeentch for the lulz.

Mortal servants of Chaos rarely become Daemons. Usually, they just end up dead. Some of them get to be Spawn! One in a trillion might get Daemon Prince.

TheRedWingArmada wrote:


I feel I should point out, since Nurgle's "jovial nature" has been pointed out over and again, that he eats his favorite children, the Nurgling. ;>> Probably worse.... Plaguebearers are also generally unpleasant beings, which, I guess when we consider which Chaos God would claim us, we should also consider what we might be to that God.

Sure he eats them, as do most of his greater daemonic followers... only to vomit them out later, after empowering them with even more plagues...


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 Psienesis wrote:
Mortal servants of Chaos rarely become Daemons. Usually, they just end up dead. Some of them get to be Spawn! One in a trillion might get Daemon Prince.

Except in the case of Nurgle, who has the wonderful habit of making anything that gets either the destroyer hive or zombie virus the guarantee of becoming a plague bearer if they choose to accept their fate.

nurgle: turns me fatter than I already am, makes me vomit when I look at myself and when I die I get to become stinky
tzeench: I get my body parts chopped off and shoved into a blender (resulting in three left arms and half of a right arm)
slaneesh: I get to be emo and hentai mixed together (hentai x OVER 9000)
khorne: I get to kill stuff. lots of stuff. and fluffy puppies. I don't want to kill this: (pic 1)

so no, I would (pic 2)

I'd be taken by Slaanesh. One nod in my direction and I'd be his/hers.

I like the "if it feels good, do it"-attitude.

Although as a close second I do like the paternal caring of Father Nurgle. He's the only likable Chaos God.

 Psienesis wrote:
Mortal servants of Chaos rarely become Daemons. Usually, they just end up dead. Some of them get to be Spawn! One in a trillion might get Daemon Prince.

I believe you are the gent that I discussed Daemons with the other day. XD So you'll probably like this; As I pointed out before, it seems all is destined to return to the warp. Both Loyalist and Traitor alike. That said, the process of creating a daemon comes when the Chaos Gods themselves expend a measure of their power to charge a mortal soul with their Ruinous Energy. So in essence, what you have is a Soul (normal by all means) which is infused with Chaos and then becomes one of the Rank and File for the Gods.

Granted, when this happens, the Daemon created retains very little of the sentience that created it, as said sentience was basically cast into the Endless Wastes, only to be unravelled and stitched back together as a Daemon.

So those followers who die in service of Khorne, invariably do become Bloodletters. Consequently, if you were to run from the service of Khorne and still slain, then you'd be enslaved to his Soul Forges on the Osseus Peak.

Choas is indeed, fickle. +__+

Taken to your point though, it is very reasonable to assume that most "Spirits" cast into the Warp from Death, which are not strong enough one way or the other, or did not exalt a Chaos God, instead become remenants like the Furies...which are TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE (Wtf GW?) TERRIBLE units. NEVER GET A FURY. Even if you think they look cool, DON'T DO IT. BOYCOTT and tell GW to make that bastard at least comparable to a Tyranid Gargle. XD

Not quite. A Daemon is created when the Patron Power takes a mote of its own power and gives it sentience. There's not a requirement for a mortal soul to do that.

The creation of Plaguebearers has indicated that many of them come from the souls of those slain by Nurgle's most-special plagues, which makes some sense, as these Warp-born diseases are as much spiritual as they are physical... and, in this way, Nurgle is able to "steal" souls from other gods. It's a rather unique aspect of the Plague God, in that he can take your soul. regardless of what you believed in life, by giving you one of his plagues. Of course, this may explain the boring existence of a Plaguebearer, just standing around and counting.

This, though, might have changed from the RoC days.

The other gods don't require mortal souls to create daemons, and it is suggested that they reserve Daemonhood as a reward for favored servants, rather than a default state.

Khornate servants, especially, are noted to become nothing more than more skulls for the Skull Throne upon death, and blood for the ocean it floats upon, unless they do something to offend the Blood God and get turned into Spawn or something.

Those slain by his Daemons, likewise, don't end up becoming Khorne's pawns, just more blood and skulls. He's not Arioch. after all.

Daemonettes are like mini-Slaaneshes. Daemons of lust and carnal appetites, perversions of the natural order and the mortal form. Again, becoming one might be a reward for favored servants (or the results of some kind of sorcerous rite) but not the default reward. If you were just kind-of-OK as a servant, but not an exalted champion, but not so terrible that you got Spawned... you're not worthy of immortality. You just get eaten.

The mortal servants of Chaos are striving to prove themselves worthy of the attention of their Patron Power, of proving themselves worthy of the rewards of immortality. Most, however, fail, being that they are just wretched mortals, lacking the skill, strength, cunning and resolve required to achieve the heights of depravity that really interest the Ruinous Powers.

Immortality is a reward, not the default result of the Chaos 401(k).

I think anyone who says chaos has a lure after reading all of the fluff has a slate loose.

I read a short story, I forget which anthology, about a chaos SM who is really sick of it all, but he can't even die because he keeps getting brought back?

Basically chaos is just pure malevolence and loathing, to the point where the Gods even want to piss off their own followers. If you understand that, why would you ever turn to chaos in real life?

They enjoy your pain and suffering, so why would anyone want that?

Well in one of the ciphas cain novels a female psyker following slaanesh became a daemon? Or pseudo daemon(FFG has a gift of the god where you become one and you resemble one of the lesser daemons and instead of dying you are banished it requires a high roll on gift of the gods to get it though) since she is banished when she was killed in the book. Plus a female slave in storm of iron becoming a herald of khorne.

It seemed that khorne was getting annoyed with the iron warrior marine and told her to kill him with a power fist. I think that shows how fickle they are if he picked a female woman to be his champion, well she was kinda badass in the book even the CSM say it.

Lets not forget the male slave in the word bearers novel.

Plus they may have been one of the rare ones plus she is a pskyer. Funny enough its normally the psyker humans in fluff that normally gain favor with the gods. I still agree with Psienesis for a mortal its REALLY hard to gain favor and getting immortality is a reward most chaos servants know they are either going to become one with their god when they die it does not even really seem to bother them going by fluff. As I said before I think the reason why its normally psyker humans is because well psychic powers are strong in 40k depending how strong you are you can take on some of the scarier things in 40k. Along with chaos sorcery that powers you up even more.

 mattyrm wrote:
I think anyone who says chaos has a lure after reading all of the fluff has a slate loose.

I read a short story, I forget which anthology, about a chaos SM who is really sick of it all, but he can't even die because he keeps getting brought back?

Basically chaos is just pure malevolence and loathing, to the point where the Gods even want to piss off their own followers. If you understand that, why would you ever turn to chaos in real life?

They enjoy your pain and suffering, so why would anyone want that?

If chaos god keeps bringing you back to life most likely it means that you are good at bringing them souls and when someone is good at getting them souls they normally don't let them die that easily. Funny enough most chaos servants would kill to have that kind of favor lol most of the heralds typhus etc have something like that.

If Slaneesh's daemonettes took the form of the Norwegian Female Field Hockey Team or the Swedish Bikini Team, I'd be in trouble...

Yes, lots of funky things happen in BL novels. That doesn't mean they're matching studio text. BL is designed to tell a good story, not match what a Codex says, or even previously-published books.

Basically chaos is just pure malevolence and loathing, to the point where the Gods even want to piss off their own followers. If you understand that, why would you ever turn to chaos in real life?

Because, sometimes, you're willing to make that choice to hurt something else even more.

 Psienesis wrote:
Yes, lots of funky things happen in BL novels. That doesn't mean they're matching studio text. BL is designed to tell a good story, not match what a Codex says, or even previously-published books.

Basically chaos is just pure malevolence and loathing, to the point where the Gods even want to piss off their own followers. If you understand that, why would you ever turn to chaos in real life?

Because, sometimes, you're willing to make that choice to hurt something else even more.

And thus the Horus Heresy began.

 mattyrm wrote:

I read a short story, I forget which anthology, about a chaos SM who is really sick of it all, but he can't even die because he keeps getting brought back?

Honor Among Fiends, by Dylan Owen. Heroes of the Space Marines compilation. Nice story.

By the way, I will go undivided. I am unable to pick only one way to corrupt myself. Given that I also enjoy trying to corrupt others and that I feel the compulsion to say the truth if I know it, that means Word Bearers for you.

"All I want is the truth"

 Psienesis wrote:
Not quite. A Daemon is created when the Patron Power takes a mote of its own power and gives it sentience. There's not a requirement for a mortal soul to do that.

The creation of Plaguebearers has indicated that many of them come from the souls of those slain by Nurgle's most-special plagues, which makes some sense, as these Warp-born diseases are as much spiritual as they are physical... and, in this way, Nurgle is able to "steal" souls from other gods. It's a rather unique aspect of the Plague God, in that he can take your soul. regardless of what you believed in life, by giving you one of his plagues. Of course, this may explain the boring existence of a Plaguebearer, just standing around and counting.

This, though, might have changed from the RoC days.

The other gods don't require mortal souls to create daemons, and it is suggested that they reserve Daemonhood as a reward for favored servants, rather than a default state.

Khornate servants, especially, are noted to become nothing more than more skulls for the Skull Throne upon death, and blood for the ocean it floats upon, unless they do something to offend the Blood God and get turned into Spawn or something.

Those slain by his Daemons, likewise, don't end up becoming Khorne's pawns, just more blood and skulls. He's not Arioch. after all.

Daemonettes are like mini-Slaaneshes. Daemons of lust and carnal appetites, perversions of the natural order and the mortal form. Again, becoming one might be a reward for favored servants (or the results of some kind of sorcerous rite) but not the default reward. If you were just kind-of-OK as a servant, but not an exalted champion, but not so terrible that you got Spawned... you're not worthy of immortality. You just get eaten.

The mortal servants of Chaos are striving to prove themselves worthy of the attention of their Patron Power, of proving themselves worthy of the rewards of immortality. Most, however, fail, being that they are just wretched mortals, lacking the skill, strength, cunning and resolve required to achieve the heights of depravity that really interest the Ruinous Powers.

Immortality is a reward, not the default result of the Chaos 401(k).

Firstly, before I dig into the quoted above, I'd like to point out that the Warp is not just Malevolence and Hatred. In fact, it's not even that. It is everything and it is nothing. It is roiling emotion yet completely void of feeling. The Warp is Immaterial, fed by the energy of the living, no matter the Race, it seems. Whether it be Ork, Tyranid, Eldar or Space Marine, all seem affected by the Endless Wastes. So the question I've been kicking around for a few days (because Daemon talk has been popular for a hot minute, and I do love my Daemons Codex) doesn't this mean that Loyalist and Traitor alike are doomed to pour their Life Energy back into the warp when they die? Isn't the Emperor himself also subject to this Law? And if this is the case, then doesn't that make the Warp more real than Real Space, and Real Space is defiant to the reality of the Warp?

It's an interesting point to say the least.

That aside, if the above is correct, then it stands to reason that the Warp, and that which is and sustains the Ruinous Powers and their Infernal Legions, but the substance of the Soul? And so everything that dies is cast into the Warp, spirit and all? So then, from this point, my previously suggested still holds: That spirits cast into the warp, which are given to unraveling in whorls of blank emotion, are instead re-woven in the images of the Ruinous Powers themselves, thus giving birth to the Infernal Legions themselves?

This seems like a cyclical argument, but it really isn't when you consider the mechanics of the Ruinous Powers themselves. Nurgle, doesn't truly exist as the bloated figure of Nurgle. Instead, Nurgle is infact his Manse, Garden and all of his Legion as well. However, Nurgle, like all of the Ruinous Powers, are completely composed of Warp energy. This is why they cannot breach Real Space and why they expend a measure of their power to fuse with Real Space energies (i.e. Souls) in order for the Minions to be able to breach Real Space in their incursions.

Anyone ever watch Soul Eater? For those of you who have, you know the whole deal about Death can't leave his city because he's rooted his spirit to the city, and so if he were to try and leave the city, the whole thing would have to pick itself up and move? This is the same problem the Chaos Gods have, and why they are so adamant about breaching Real Space with Warp Space. Because if Abbadon succeeds on the Crimson Path, Warp Space will forever bleed over, and the Daemon Gods themselves will be able to cross over with the Daemon Primarchs, also largely sustained by warp energy.

While a Plaguebearer may not retain the psyche of Garviel Loken or Tarick Torgaddon, their essence must surely still exist in the warp, even if they have no memory of their original selves in the first place. :O


Two cents.

TheRedWingArmada wrote:

This seems like a cyclical argument, but it really isn't when you consider the mechanics of the Ruinous Powers themselves. Nurgle, doesn't truly exist as the bloated figure of Nurgle. Instead, Nurgle is infact his Manse, Garden and all of his Legion as well. However, Nurgle, like all of the Ruinous Powers, are completely composed of Warp energy. This is why they cannot breach Real Space and why they expend a measure of their power to fuse with Real Space energies (i.e. Souls) in order for the Minions to be able to breach Real Space in their incursions.

Two cents.

While some of that is true, the entities on the warp are "bodies" of consciousness of a level of power. Higher levels of power belong to greater daemons, lesser daemons are the lower levels. The Gods of Chaos are simply extremely high level daemons, with enough energy inside them to affect the universe as we know it.

Each entity is separate, though related to similar entities. An entity can gain power by consuming another entity.

Firstly, before I dig into the quoted above, I'd like to point out that the Warp is not just Malevolence and Hatred. In fact, it's not even that. It is everything and it is nothing. It is roiling emotion yet completely void of feeling. The Warp is Immaterial, fed by the energy of the living, no matter the Race, it seems. Whether it be Ork, Tyranid, Eldar or Space Marine, all seem affected by the Endless Wastes. So the question I've been kicking around for a few days (because Daemon talk has been popular for a hot minute, and I do love my Daemons Codex) doesn't this mean that Loyalist and Traitor alike are doomed to pour their Life Energy back into the warp when they die? Isn't the Emperor himself also subject to this Law? And if this is the case, then doesn't that make the Warp more real than Real Space, and Real Space is defiant to the reality of the Warp?

Correct... sort of. Currently, the Warp is *mostly* malevolence and hatred, because of the events going on in Realspace. It was not always this way, but the events of the last twenty, thirty thousand years have really done a job on the place.

No one is really sure what happens to the souls of Loyalists when they die. It is believed that they join the Emperor in some sort of heaven-like scenario where they are preparing to fight "the last battle" or something, but this is just Ecclesiarchal dogma. Whether the Emperor is subject to sinking back into the Warp is unknown, because whatever his soul is is not anything like anyone else's.

What is and is not "real" is very much a matter of perspective.

That aside, if the above is correct, then it stands to reason that the Warp, and that which is and sustains the Ruinous Powers and their Infernal Legions, but the substance of the Soul? And so everything that dies is cast into the Warp, spirit and all? So then, from this point, my previously suggested still holds: That spirits cast into the warp, which are given to unraveling in whorls of blank emotion, are instead re-woven in the images of the Ruinous Powers themselves, thus giving birth to the Infernal Legions themselves?

Not exactly, no. Eldar souls, for example, can remain in the Warp, conscious and alert, entirely separate from the "background noise" for *very* long periods of time.

Warpstuff is not exactly the same stuff that souls are made out of, though is in some ways similar, but is also defined as the raw stuff of creation, an energy form that contains all possible futures and pasts at once simultaneously. From it can be drawn anything imaginable, and anything that is not, and can be channeled by those who know how to affect alterations in physical space (this is how Sorcerers and Psykers work). The Warp itself, though consciousness can arise from it, is only proto-sentient. It reacts to emotions and thoughts, but does not actually appear to have any itself, only to reflect that which is predominant being fed into it.

The many "gods" of Chaos (and there are far more than just the Great Four) simply coalesce out of the raw stuff of the Warp when sufficient thoughts and feelings congregate within the Immaterium and clump together into a sentient thought-form. This is how you get your Zuvassins, your Necohos, your Cherubaels, your Prophantiis, your super-powerful, unaligned Daemons, your Malals. Whether or not they need some kind of mortal souls to be this "ignition energy" is simply not stated. Given the strangeness of certain Ruinous Powers, I don't believe this to be the case, though.

As far as their appearances go, we actually don't know if they exist as these forms within their realms in the Warp, or if this is just avatars they choose to appear as to their followers, though it is known that they can change this appearance to suit them.

The realms of the gods, such as Nurgle's garden or Tzeentch's maze, seem to be less parts of the god-form itself, and more the Warp surrounding it being aligned to its particular portfolio. It is said that the Brass Throne of Khorne sits atop a mountainous pile of skulls and bones amidst a lake of blood, bordered by vast, tractless wastes upon which his daemonic servants wage endless and unceasing war. While I am sure that Nurgle can reshape the appearance of his gardens, I believe that, were he to "die", somehow, the gardens would exist for a time, until the various emotions and things that comprise Nurgle's spheres of influence fade out into the "neutral" background noise of the Warp.

Of course, it is also mentioned that there are many kinds of "warp-predators" in the Immaterium, and that these things are more likely to damage or destroy ships in transit through the Warp, rather than any daemons aligned to a Chaos God.

The Enslavers are another example of a "race" of creatures that dwell in the Warp but are not daemons, nor aligned with any particular Chaos God.

I would apply to the Inquisition, therefore I am beyond temptation except what I need to keep humanity pure.... I can resist anything but temptation.
Changer of the ways or slaanesh ( As I have definitely got excessive Citadel minis and so many random armies)

Corporal_Chaos wrote:
I would apply to the Inquisition, therefore I am beyond temptation except what I need to keep humanity pure.... I can resist anything but temptation.
Changer of the ways or slaanesh ( As I have definitely got excessive Citadel minis and so many random armies)

Radical Inquisitors are a thing. Inquisitors "cross the line" all the time. Of all of humanity's servants, they are probably the ones most often tempted.

Unless the ruinous powers recruit their worshippers with the subtlety of a sledgehammer (Khorne's Witnesses, bashing in your door and telling you about the "Good News" is probbaly one of the less successful efforts), it is downright impossible to say how anyone would react in the face of temptation.

I will keep my answer to both you's guy's short, because I'd have to quote the Codex which is currently out of reach at the moment, and say that I agree with you both, and there is more. The interweaving that takes place between Warp Space and Real Space is very much important to understanding the Daemons themselves, but more importantly, to understanding their goals and how and why they can unite to further the Warp.

It's because of this relationship which, to me, hints at an even Greater and dominating presence which simply is Warp, that I created my Red Wing Armada.

The sentience that is lost when thought to be blasted into oblivion, which exists at Oblivions very heart. It is darkness cast a shadow onto darkness itself. It is reflection of reflection. It is where the Lost are ultimately Found, no matter their relationship or faction and they serve only one great purpose unknown to even the likes of Tzeentch and his brood. Here there is both Emperor and Warmaster. Brother and Soldier. Man and Xenos alike. All serving the Heart of the Warp. +__+

<__<; At least that was my great idea. lol

I would never. My will is unbreakable, my discipline superior. The Chaos gods would get exhausted attempting to corrupt me. I'd corrupt them.

 Psienesis wrote:
Yes, lots of funky things happen in BL novels. That doesn't mean they're matching studio text. BL is designed to tell a good story, not match what a Codex says, or even previously-published books.

Basically chaos is just pure malevolence and loathing, to the point where the Gods even want to piss off their own followers. If you understand that, why would you ever turn to chaos in real life?

Because, sometimes, you're willing to make that choice to hurt something else even more.

Or probably a strangely common reason would be the basic human emotion of love......if your wife was about to be slain by gang members and per se you were one of the few Imperial Guard retirees wouldnt you use your knowledge of Khorne's blessings to try and gain his favor to save them.

How about nurgle, lets say you are a low class hivemember, and a sickness strikes you (the sole provider for the family), and you have heard about a group that makes it possible to live through the worst of diseases, would you take it? How about if it was your family that was struck down with this plague.

Granted Slaanesh and tzeentch are probably chosen for a bit more selfish of reasons.


Heck....imagine if Dresden (from the Dresden files) was in 40k, EDIT: SERIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE NOT READ BOOK 13 DO NOT READ THE SPOILER!!!!

Honestly I would not likely fall to any of them as I am not extreme enough in any temperment to "ping the radar" of the chaos gods to be frank.

The only one I would really have a chance at falling too would be Slaanesh... and not for being a pervert. (though I do not deny that I can be one) More for the striving for perfection aspects. But even there I do not seek out the extremes in it.

I would more likely end up in the Inquisition as an acolyte, and possibly an inquisitor later on, or as part of the adeptus mechanicus. (The cult mechanicus calls to me with the cant of the pure code... I could never fall for the false desecration of the scrap code and the violation of the laws of science and the machine that the dark mechanicus utilizes... it just is abhorant to me.)

*chuckle* guess I would end up in the adeptus mechanicus' version of the inquisition.

sekerra wrote:
Honestly I would not likely fall to any of them as I am not extreme enough in any temperment to "ping the radar" of the chaos gods to be frank.

The only one I would really have a chance at falling too would be Slaanesh... and not for being a pervert. (though I do not deny that I can be one) More for the striving for perfection aspects. But even there I do not seek out the extremes in it.

I would more likely end up in the Inquisition as an acolyte, and possibly an inquisitor later on, or as part of the adeptus mechanicus. (The cult mechanicus calls to me with the cant of the pure code... I could never fall for the false desecration of the scrap code and the violation of the laws of science and the machine that the dark mechanicus utilizes... it just is abhorant to me.)

*chuckle* guess I would end up in the adeptus mechanicus' version of the inquisition.

*Turns out the Omnissiah is a chaos god too*

Nope, C'tan, not Chaos God

Nope not a chaos god... the Omnissiah is pretty much the exact opposite of a chaos god... pure order... As IHateNids said, more likely a C'tan.

Whole reason I could not go to the Dark Mechanicus is the warping and destroying of the pure code to make scrapcode and the violation of the natural laws that they do... *shudder*

It states in C:CSM that the AdMech desires to be able to acheive a level of combination identicle to the Dark Mech, but will fall short due to the Warp giving a 'yes, this can go into nowhere for now, a use will grow later' factor.

So theres not that muh between them, besides who they sell to

*chuckle* There is a difference between wanting to explore all the natural laws of warp technology in addition to the standard laws of physics (which is what the original mechanicum and the admech want) and binding sentient daemons into the pure code and creating an a screaming scrapcode that violates and corrupts all normal tech. (twisting the technology and perverting the code to the point that it destroys all the knowledge stored within and making non-reproducable results)

Mechanicum/admech ideals - like creating an akashic reader that uses technology to focus the power of psykers to read the source of all knowledge in the warp to gain information to advance knowledge. Or creating tech that amplifies and guards a character from warp born powers. Remember key point A.I. are not to be trusted, which goes along with creating any non-human intelligence machines are right out. (i.e. no binding daemons into a machine, as they become... unreliable)

Dark mechanicum - create a scrapcode virus that literally destroys all the knowledge in a temple of learning... burning out the computers, burns the books, and causes the reactor that powers the temple to overload, killing all the adepts that protect the knowledge. All the while laughing like a madman. Or bind the screaming twisting insane daemon into an engine of destruction and letting the pain and horror of this send it on a rampage.