It's the baseball World Series it has players from 9 different countries... They just happen to play in the biggest baseball league in the world that happens to be in America.
Automatically Appended Next Post: How did Lester get out of that? I'm watching on espn gamecast because of stupid work...
Wainwright 5 IP 5runs ouch ;(. Nice for the sox to get into STL's pen though. Should help the snowball effect, glad the cards seem to have settled in though. No one wants a 1 sided affair unless your a total homer haha.
Chancetragedy wrote: Wainwright 5 IP 5runs ouch ;(. Nice for the sox to get into STL's pen though. Should help the snowball effect, glad the cards seem to have settled in though. No one wants a 1 sided affair unless your a total homer haha.
Yah I agree the cards pen is a strength. But the sox want to grind that strength down. They're doing a good job by forcing them to start pitching in the 6th inning of game 1 though is all I meant.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah I agree the cards pen is a strength. But the sox want to grind that strength down. They're doing a good job by forcing them to start pitching in the 6th inning of game 1 though is all I meant.
According to my early morning radio host, he said "The former players I've spoken wiht don't htink it was Vaseline, pine tar, or sunscreen. They think it was a product called Firm Grip."
Meh... nothing will happen. Just wondering if ya'll are hearing about this.
Maybe that extra scrutiny on Lester for the next game will tell us something.
Automatically Appended Next Post: heh... the twitterverse is going ape gak over this now.
Why Arent you cards fans bringing up the fact wainwright and carpenter themselves have admitted to doing stuff like this? And if it's such a big deal don't you think matheny who was a CATCHER FOR 15 YEARS. Would have noticed it and brought it to the refs attention? And was this the reason the cards gave up 8 runs and made 5 errors? Honestly it makes cards fans that are screaming about this seem pretty petty.
Chancetragedy wrote: Why Arent you cards fans bringing up the fact wainwright and carpenter themselves have admitted to doing stuff like this? And if it's such a big deal don't you think matheny who was a CATCHER FOR 15 YEARS. Would have noticed it and brought it to the refs attention? And was this the reason the cards gave up 8 runs and made 5 errors? Honestly it makes cards fans that are screaming about this seem pretty petty.
Yeah... they're saying no biggie.
Even the GM stepped in saying he had no issues.
But, man that last gif where lester touches the ball? Looks bad.
Then again, if it's only to ensure "grip" on the ball in the cold weather. MLB said that's fine. In fact, if you want to cheat... the ball needs to be wet, not dry.
I only am rooting for the Sox because they beat Detroit, and the Cardinals are like the Yankees of the National League... always sniffing the post season. They practically live there.
Also, you have to admire the moxie of a team that lost almost 100 games last year to turn around and make it to the world series.
Alfndrate wrote: I only am rooting for the Sox because they beat Detroit, and the Cardinals are like the Yankees of the National League... always sniffing the post season. They practically live there.
Also, you have to admire the moxie of a team that lost almost 100 games last year to turn around and make it to the world series.
Yah and certain fans, but that would happen with Boston fans too if it came out the other way so it's to be expected. I'm just annoyed with fans that are completely ignoring the fact that multiple cardinals pitchers and TONS of other pitchers have come out and said they do the same and it has no effect on anything except giving the pitcher a better grip. Like it doesn't affect how the ball moves like scuffing, Vaseline, and spitballing. But it is what it is and those who feel it changed the game are mistaken haha.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah and certain fans, but that would happen with Boston fans too if it came out the other way so it's to be expected. I'm just annoyed with fans that are completely ignoring the fact that multiple cardinals pitchers and TONS of other pitchers have come out and said they do the same and it has no effect on anything except giving the pitcher a better grip. Like it doesn't affect how the ball moves like scuffing, Vaseline, and spitballing. But it is what it is and those who feel it changed the game are mistaken haha.
Besides... St. Louis wasn't going to win that game anyways...
They lost it themselves.
I've been watching baseball since the early 80s... and I've never seen the pitcher (waino) and ss (kozma) get so jittery.
Hopefully, its all out of their system and give Boston better competition!
I just heard wachas stats against American League teams and it's not exactly promising for the cards. Hope your right and he's hit a ballin stride or this could get ugly quick. ;(. I personally prefer a competitive series as opposed to sweeps. Those are just so boring. Anyways should be fun, 2 hours to go!
Chancetragedy wrote: I just heard wachas stats against American League teams and it's not exactly promising for the cards. Hope your right and he's hit a ballin stride or this could get ugly quick. ;(. I personally prefer a competitive series as opposed to sweeps. Those are just so boring. Anyways should be fun, 2 hours to go!
Huh?
Wacha is a rookie... I don't recall him playing in any of the inter-league series.
He played against KC and Seattle. KC in May was a good game for wacha(7ip 1 run?). But he played Seattle later last month and went 4 innings giving up 3 with like high 80's pitches. And those 2 lineups he faced aren't half as good as the sox. But wachas stat lines in the post season are unreal so i can totally see where the confidence in him is coming from.
Chancetragedy wrote: He played against KC and Seattle. KC in May was a good game for wacha(7ip 1 run?). But he played Seattle later last month and went 4 innings giving up 3 with like high 80's pitches. And those 2 lineups he faced aren't half as good as the sox. But wachas stat lines in the post season are unreal so i can totally see where the confidence in him is coming from.
Oh I see now... thanks! After that last game, they sent him back in AAA to work on his curve ball.
Wacha is the perfect pitcher to take advantage of Boston's grinding type batters. He throw strikes early and often... the kind of "swing and misses" type pitches.
However, I'm not taking anything for granted... especially since yesterday's fiasco.
Yah you never can haha. Anyways I'm still elated and in shock the sox are even playing. After last year I figured we had a few years of non contention and to be watching this year has been fun as hell.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah you never can haha. Anyways I'm still elated and in shock the sox are even playing. After last year I figured we had a few years of non contention and to be watching this year has been fun as hell.
Chance? That's how Wacha is right now... I'm hoping he can keep that up.
Yah I came to post much better start for the cards. I'm still on espn.com gamecast until 2am est. then I'll watch the DVR of this game. But 17 pitches for 3 pts is better than the 40 wainwright threw yesterday ;p
Automatically Appended Next Post: First time the Red Sox have trailed a World Series game in their last 10 games ;p
Great article on last Rosental's and Martinez's work last night:
Here’s something you might not have known about the Red Sox: they’re good, especially at the hitting part. Over the course of the regular season, they scored 853 runs in 1439 innings, or about 0.6 runs per. Pitchers facing the Red Sox posted a 5.02 ERA, nearly half a run higher than the next-highest mark. As the Red Sox demonstrated in Game 1, they’re capable of scoring runs in a hurry, which, incidentally, is the only thing they do in a hurry, and this is one of the reasons why the Sox are probably the best team in baseball. That statement should hold true no matter how this series ends up.
Much of the talk after Game 2 is focusing on the top of the seventh, when the Cardinals rallied and took advantage of some defensive lapses to establish a two-run lead. In that frame the Cardinals went ahead 4-2; by that score, the Cardinals were triumphant. But a two-run lead against the Red Sox in Fenway is precarious, no matter how it’s achieved. Better to be ahead than behind, of course, but the Cardinals couldn’t have considered their position safe. They still needed to keep the Red Sox off the board, and that’s where Carlos Martinez and Trevor Rosenthal came in handy.
The basic numbers themselves tell the story. Between them, Martinez and Rosenthal worked three scoreless innings, allowing a hit while striking out six. Just below the surface, we can observe that there was an error in there, too, but that the hit was basically an infield single. Look in the box score and you get the gist: Martinez and Rosenthal were dominant with the leverage indices glowing. But you’re probably not satisfied just looking at the box score. If you were, you wouldn’t be reading stuff on FanGraphs, and I think it’s worth getting deeper still into the Cardinals’ relief effort behind Michael Wacha.
To get right into it, Martinez handled the seventh with no trouble at all. Jarrod Saltalamacchia started with the rare swinging strikeout at a fastball in the dirt. That was followed by two grounders, and the teams proceeded to the eighth. It was in the eighth and ninth that Martinez and Rosenthal really got interesting. The seventh was over too soon, and minds were still occupied by what had taken place in the upper half to so significantly change the feel.
Martinez got ahead of the first batter in the eighth with a sinker, and the second pitch was a sinker to the other side of the plate, which Jacoby Ellsbury grounded to second. Yet he was able to reach on an error, and that’s when Fenway started considering the idea of a comeback. Shane Victorino walked up, and it hasn’t been long since the last time Victorino did something heroic. Yet, in an instant, Victorino found himself behind 0-and-2, having fouled consecutive low fastballs.
To that point, Martinez had thrown 14 pitches, and 13 of them had been fastballs, including ten in a row. Victorino had reason to expect more heat, and because the count was so lopsided in Martinez’s favor, Victorino might’ve been expecting something off the plate. Maybe a fastball away, or something to change the eye level. If Martinez were to throw a breaking ball, he might try to bounce it, with Yadier Molina behind home plate. The pitch Victorino probably wasn’t expecting was a breaking ball fully in the zone.
Dustin Pedroia was next, and Martinez started him off with a fastball inside the outer edge. Then he came in with a fastball to get a foul, and again Martinez was in front 0-and-2. This time, Pedroia was prepared for the breaking ball over the plate. Martinez threw it again, just like he had to Victorino, but Pedroia pulled the trigger and fouled the pitch off. So Martinez decided to follow that with a low fastball, which Pedroia also fouled off. Through four pitches, Pedroia had seen four pitches easily in the zone, and after consecutive fouls, it would’ve been reasonable for Martinez to try to get Pedroia to expand his zone. Just to try something different.
Martinez stayed in the zone, but this time he threw his breaking ball away, and Pedroia got himself out ahead of it. What that is, really, is a flawless breaking ball, just an example of good pitching beating good hitting, but you always do have to consider the mind games. There are different levels of being prepared for a pitch, and the more prepared a batter is, the greater his chances. From the looks of things, Pedroia didn’t have a chance.
That led to a controversial bit. The next batter was left-handed David Ortiz. Ortiz represented the tying run, and the Cardinals had Randy Choate warm. Statistically, it’s absolutely the right decision to bring in a lefty reliever in that circumstance. Should’ve been Choate. Realistically, should’ve been Kevin Siegrist, so perhaps Mike Matheny overreacted to what happened in Game 1. But he didn’t go to Choate. Unthinkably, Matheny stuck with the righty reliever, and he explained himself in the aftermath:
It’s not an easy decision. Knowing that we have a lefthander up and ready to go. A lot of it has to do with what we see, how the ball is coming out of Carlos’s hands at that time. We have two guys on base, one by an error and another by a ball that made it’s way kinda through the infield. Looked like he had real good life. And if we get through Ortiz, then we have an opportunity to use Carlos’s good life right there against a Napoli, where we don’t have to bring Trevor in more than one.
Not an easy call, but we liked the way Carlos was throwing the ball at that particular time.
I’m not going to say Matheny made the right call. That should’ve been a lefty. I will say it doesn’t not matter how Martinez looked. I will say we’re talking about small changes in percentages, so it’s not like the decision meant everything. Ortiz’s odds of going deep against anyone are low. Anyway, a point: when Ortiz was coming up, Martinez had thrown 16 of his previous 17 pitches in or below the lower half of the zone. Martinez said after the game his whole job was to work down, and he was working down effectively, and that gave Matheny some confidence that he’d stay down against Ortiz, too. And then even if Ortiz reached, Martinez would be in there to pitch to Mike Napoli afterward.
Martinez worked down and Ortiz put the first pitch in play.
He singled, but he barely singled, and so Martinez was still in there for Napoli. The first pitch was a perfect outer-third fastball. Then Martinez kind of lost his location. The next fastball buzzed Napoli’s tower. The third fastball was elevated and put into play, and it was in a similar location as the pitch Napoli hit for a three-run double in Game 1. But this fastball was faster and a little more inside, and Napoli popped out. That was the end of the Martinez assignment.
And what Rosenthal did was just laughable. I mean, in bullet-point form:
-Jonny Gomes strikeout
-Jarrod Saltalamacchia strikeout
-Daniel Nava strikeout
It all took 11 pitches, and the two balls were mighty close. Rosenthal threw nothing but fastballs. The thing that struck me about his performance was how he was able to remain near the edges. Eight of his 11 pitches were within two inches of the nearest strike-zone edge. Another was within three. The first of the two pitches that weren’t as close was an 0-and-2 fastball to Gomes a little away, off the plate. It was the perfect heater in that count. The second of the two pitches that weren’t as close was a 1-and-2 fastball to Nava over the outer third. It was also Rosenthal’s fastest pitch, at 99 miles per hour. Where Nava might’ve expected something off the plate after consecutive called strikes, Rosenthal and Yadier Molina elected to blow him away.
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Part of the story is that the Cardinals opportunistically seized the lead. The rest of the story is that they subsequently refused to give it up, thanks to brilliant relief work from a 22-year-old and a 23-year-old. A fact of the matter is that Martinez probably shouldn’t have been pitching to Ortiz when he did, but there are other facts of the matter, including the fact that Martinez survived, and including the fact that the bullpen didn’t allow a run. Martinez executed against Ortiz. Martinez and Rosenthal executed against everyone. In that way the Cardinals managed to even the series, and going forward the Red Sox can’t count on Martinez or Rosenthal throwing any softer. This flame-throwing stuff is kind of their thing.
That was a pretty good read, the cards pitching definately buckled down and handled the sox hitters when they had too. The one exception being ortiz's HR.
Losing Napoli or Ortiz? That's a weakness right there. Peavy has a career batting average of .173 (which isn't much better than Kelly's), but the loss of a bat like Napolis could seriously hurt the offense.
St. Louis is used to their pitcher just being an out. The Sox aren't.
We'll lose napolis bat which hasn't been as impressive as ortiz's. Napoli has been pretty bad this series besides that 3 run double game 1. He's what like 1/8 with 4 strike outs? Big loss... The loss of the DH hurts the sox about 100x less than never having that bat to begin with for the cards.
Should be a good game and I'm going to laugh when peavey gets a game winning hit just for irony!(ps I don't think this will happen)
Meh idk how legit it was but I'm not one to complain about that crap. But basically middlebrooks had a right to occupy that space the same as Craig. Craig tripped over his butt not his legs and was pushing down on him so he "couldn't" move out of the way(contact point in the rule). Joyce just happens to look over after Craig flopped and floundered past MWB and called it obstruction. Sucky ending but it is what it is and that's the call.
And whembly look up the rule it wasn't textbook obstruction. But like I said it is what it is and the cardinals won that game fair and square. I'm not even trying to deny that at all.
Edit : and you've been in the other sports threads enough to know I won't and don't whine even if I think the team I root for was slighted. If a team is in a position for a singular play to determine it then they didn't deserve to win. Plain and simple.
And whembly look up the rule it wasn't textbook obstruction. But like I said it is what it is and the cardinals won that game fair and square. I'm not even trying to deny that at all.
Edit : and you've been in the other sports threads enough to know I won't and don't whine even if I think the team I root for was slighted. If a team is in a position for a singular play to determine it then they didn't deserve to win. Plain and simple.
No worries.
Lackey? What's the deal? o.O Wouldn't the closer be better here??
For some reason Farrell has a deathly fear of using Uehara for more than 4 outs. I'm frankly confused as heck why her use lackey their. But he has a precedent using starters in relief as he did it in 2004/2007 with Wakefield
Automatically Appended Next Post: KOJI KOJI KOJI TIME!!!! Picked off!!! What a fricken series. Dog fight to the end.
Chancetragedy wrote: Why are the cardinals pitching to Ortiz at all? He's batting 750 with 2 HR's and a bunch of rbi's in the series...
I have no idea...
I'm okay with pitching to him when no one is on base... I'm also okay with walking him every time.
He's the series MVP so far for sure...
Waino is pitching tonight... I'm confident he'll hold Boston in check (despite game 1 ). I'm just concerned about our offence... and the, Lester is pitching... he's a lefty... that's the Card's kryptonite!
Yah no way someone as good as wainwright repeats game 1 I expect a repeat of every other game in the series. Close game till the end with the team who commits the critical error losing.
And yah Papi has to be MVP if the sox win. Dude is LOCKED in. It's crazy how good he gets at this time of year.
That's 2 exhilarating / heart-wrenching endings in a row, depending on which side you were rooting for (one for each).
And regarding last page, it was indeed "textbook" obstruction imo. Watch this video from 2:05 onwards from an excellent slow motion shot, showing the third baseman's feet going up in the air and blocking the runner from getting over him.
And on another note, could we have asked for a better World Series so far? There's drama and intrigue and it's about as even as possible.
We have 2 of the greatest post season hitters ever. One of which is possibly primed to become a babe Ruth like figure. Great pitching, great hitting(small ball and big boy shots), and my favorite team who I've unfortunately got tattoo'd on my body is in it!
Automatically Appended Next Post: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!
Who has 2 thumbs and is most likely going to game 6?
THIS GUY!!!
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Looks like the Cards is going to have their hands full on Wednesday... Boston fans are going to go ape gak to possibly seeing a WS victory at Fenway since, what... the 20's?
Haha, yah this whole season has been pretty unbelievable. I just found out today I have seats behind home plate on the left field side just inside the backing. 2nd row back.... My friends father is a season ticket holder and has to cancel because of a business thing. So me and my friend are going for game 6. And yes having been to a World Series game the last 2 times in Boston it is going to be absolute mayhem. I'm actually thinking about not going because of safety issues as I was less than a 1000 feet from that girl that got pepper balled and died in '04 after the Yankees series but that makes me feel old and lame.
Chancetragedy wrote: Haha, yah this whole season has been pretty unbelievable. I just found out today I have seats behind home plate on the left field side just inside the backing. 2nd row back.... My friends father is a season ticket holder and has to cancel because of a business thing. So me and my friend are going for game 6. And yes having been to a World Series game the last 2 times in Boston it is going to be absolute mayhem. I'm actually thinking about not going because of safety issues as I was less than a 1000 feet from that girl that got pepper balled and died in '04 after the Yankees series but that makes me feel old and lame.
Yah I'm so excited, except for 1 thing. I haven't been to a winning game in any sport since '07. So I'm a little nervous, but this Red Sox team fights so hard i don't think it'll matter it should still be awesome. This is the fifth time I've gotten these seats but first playoff game. I can't imagine how loud it's gonna be.
Gonna be interesting tonight. Wacha is pitching some ridiculous baseball right now (going for his 5th post season victory??!?) but I'm hoping the Red Sox can pull it out in 6. As a Reds fan, nothing makes me more sick to my stomach than the though of the Cards winning another one.
It'll be REALLY interesting to see how they pitch to Papi tonight. Personally, I wouldn't pitch to him at all were I the Cardinals. I think if there are any men on base, the chances of him getting a pitch to hit are about zero.
cincydooley wrote: Gonna be interesting tonight. Wacha is pitching some ridiculous baseball right now (going for his 5th post season victory??!?) but I'm hoping the Red Sox can pull it out in 6. As a Reds fan, nothing makes me more sick to my stomach than the though of the Cards winning another one.
It'll be REALLY interesting to see how they pitch to Papi tonight. Personally, I wouldn't pitch to him at all were I the Cardinals. I think if there are any men on base, the chances of him getting a pitch to hit are about zero.
It's going to be a good game.
-Wacha is sick.
-Don't fething pitch to big Papi! IBB everytime.
-Do Cards and Reds have a hated rivalry? o.O I mean... we hate Cueto... but I don't get the sense that teams hate each other.
-Do Cards and Reds have a hated rivalry? o.O I mean... we hate Cueto... but I don't get the sense that teams hate each other.
It's always been there since they're two of the oldest teams in baseball.
It got even worse since the brawl with Cueto.
I know the Cards get a lot of healthy boos in Cincy, moreso than any other team, and I know from watching the games on TV that Brandon Phillips has no love lost for him in St. Louis.
Then, there's this T-Shirt sold by Cincyshirts.com, which sorta highlights the overall feeling folks in Cincy have about the Cards:
-Do Cards and Reds have a hated rivalry? o.O I mean... we hate Cueto... but I don't get the sense that teams hate each other.
It's always been there since they're two of the oldest teams in baseball.
It got even worse since the brawl with Cueto.
I know the Cards get a lot of healthy boos in Cincy, moreso than any other team, and I know from watching the games on TV that Brandon Phillips has no love lost for him in St. Louis.
Then, there's this T-Shirt sold by Cincyshirts.com, which sorta highlights the overall feeling folks in Cincy have about the Cards:
cincydooley wrote: Gonna be interesting tonight. Wacha is pitching some ridiculous baseball right now (going for his 5th post season victory??!?) but I'm hoping the Red Sox can pull it out in 6. As a Reds fan, nothing makes me more sick to my stomach than the though of the Cards winning another one.
It'll be REALLY interesting to see how they pitch to Papi tonight. Personally, I wouldn't pitch to him at all were I the Cardinals. I think if there are any men on base, the chances of him getting a pitch to hit are about zero.
Agreed! I can't wait... really hoping for a Game 7, since I'm not tied to either team, and what's better in sports than a World Series Game 7?
I'm somewhat close (45 minutes) to Battleground Plainville, and a bit further away from their Abington (1 hour) place, so... at one of those, eventually!
Man. What the hell St. Louis? Not that I'm upset at all about them giving us game six and the first Fenway World Series clincher in just shy of a century, but feth man. At least fight for it. One run in the top of the seventh is JUST NOT looking good. No action in the 8th inning for St Lewis at all, though they do seem to be holding the Sox at six runs.
feth yes. Not to mention it's the first at home world series clincher for the Sox since what? 1918 or so? Since fething Babe Ruth himself was still pitching? And Ortiz! My goddess Freyja's finest high heeled battle boots that gak was INSANE! I don't think there's a drug on earth that can explain a .733 batting average. Haters can eat horse gak.
For Boston, for Boston
thy glory is our own
for Boston, for Boston
'tis here that truth is known
and ever with a right
shall our heirs be found
'til time shall be no more
and thy work is crowned
for Boston, for Boston
thy glory is our own
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!
ON TOP OF THE WORLD ON TOP OF THE WORLD!!!!!
What a magical night. To say Fenway was a madhouse is an understatement. It was so bonkers you could actually see wacha and other cards flinching and folding due to crowd hostility and noise. The sox would not be denied the crowd was incredible. And now the sox are WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!
Don't worry about a thing, because every little thing is gonna be alright. I say don't worry, about a thing.
They won it emphatically, very well deserved for the bearded Sox
But, I have to say one lowpoint... the Dropkick Murphys singing the national anthem at the beginning. Gosh, that's the worst one I've ever heard . Granted, they launched into their own song afterwards and that was good (for the brief moment it was televised). But the anthem... ugh!
And agreed, Ortiz was absolutely insane. Very happy for him! Do you think he'll retire on a high note, or is the feeling among the Red Sox that he'll be around another season... or two? He's got to be about ready to call it a career here... and as my wife said last night, it's better to retire a season too early than a season too late. And that's why I love her
Chancetragedy wrote: ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!
ON TOP OF THE WORLD ON TOP OF THE WORLD!!!!!
What a magical night. To say Fenway was a madhouse is an understatement. It was so bonkers you could actually see wacha and other cards flinching and folding due to crowd hostility and noise. The sox would not be denied the crowd was incredible. And now the sox are WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!
Don't worry about a thing, because every little thing is gonna be alright. I say don't worry, about a thing.
Congrats again man!
That's awesome that I psuedo-know someone who was at this game.
The drop kicks we're good but frankly I'm sort of burnt out on them as shipping out to Boston is played so much.
There were so many people at the stadium it was CRAZY. If you told certain security guards you were at the marathon they were letting people in in the 4th inning without tickets. 3 of my friends got into standing room only spots without tickets.
This was seriously the loudest event I've ever been too, my ears are still ringing. When the crowd started singing 3 little birdies for victorino you know it was something magical.
Some series notes MVP David Ortiz went 19-25 on base, hit .688 with 2 home runs, 6 rbi's, 2k's, and 8 walks..... That's fricken unreal!
The cards have some serious players wacha is an animal regardless of what happened last night.
KOJI KOJI KOJI KOJI TIME!!! What a magical season and my condolences to cardinals fans as you guys had an amazing season and a great series.
One last thing screw you Boston fans for flipping cars and rioting after the game. Really classy, especially wih the security lock downs because of the bombings in April.
Chancetragedy, University of Maryland fans around here went through a phase when they would trash cars after winning... utter nonsense, and I think the police cracked down and it hasn't happened in a while. Why in the world would you do that after a win... or after any game!?
Very happy for Ortiz, that was the best Series performance I've ever seen!
RiTides wrote: Chancetragedy, University of Maryland fans around here went through a phase when they would trash cars after winning... utter nonsense, and I think the police cracked down and it hasn't happened in a while. Why in the world would you do that after a win... or after any game!?
It stopped when a drunk student got his ass beat by some police a few years ago at a post game riot.
