Let's say every faction/nation/race from every sci-fi fiction universe decides to declare open war against everything else in a massive free for all. Who would you join? Who would you want destroyed first? What commander would you serve under? What would you do?

There seems be to tons of doomsday weapons in the star wars universe, I mean how would a space marine fleet take on a super star destroyer plus a death star?

Terra go boom

Necrons have an extraordinary amount of Doomsday gak. If they used the celestial orrery and their usual stuff, they could cleanse all life from this dimension, and having no imprint in the warp, daemons would die too. Problem solved.

I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

I put my money on the Daaliks -- EXTERMINATE!~!~!

 pities2004 wrote:
There seems be to tons of doomsday weapons in the star wars universe, I mean how would a space marine fleet take on a super star destroyer plus a death star?

Terra go boom

There's plenty of doomsday weapons in lots of universes. Man...that's a tough choice. I guess you could either hook up with some time-traveling folks and live out your life pre-free-for-all sci-fi war, but the free-for-all sci-fi war would probably encompass the entire multiverse and be waged across both time and space. At least in the United Federation of Planets you'd be comfortable before you died horribly...so that's a big plus, though you'd have to wear the worst clothes...at least there'd be a holodeck...

 guardpiper wrote:
I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

Yes. This thread comes up now and then, and with the exception of some 40K fanboys The Culture is always the favourite.

 guardpiper wrote:
I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

Yea, I guess you'd be really comfortable in the Culture, or also in Adamist society, or Higher. I think generally it might be a good idea to just go with some sort of post-physical existence and sit the whole darn thing out.

My money is on the Borg. I don't have a great analysis of their abilities to offer up, but it just seems like they would be able to overcome some of the scarier advanced weapon systems of other IPs and really muck things up. So I guess I am joining the Collective.

Resistance is Futile and all that jazz.

 guardpiper wrote:
I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

I think Lensmen might have a leg up over the Culture. By the end of their war, you had both sides using large planets as faster than light ballistic weapons... but that's also why these kinds of threads, the whole 'who would win?' are always so dumb, You rarely even have a common frame of reference, much less an easily identifiable yardstick to measure by.

weeble1000 wrote:

 guardpiper wrote:
I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

Yea, I guess you'd be really comfortable in the Culture, or also in Adamist society, or Higher. I think generally it might be a good idea to just go with some sort of post-physical existence and sit the whole darn thing out.

Huh, turns out I misread the question(s). I though it was about who was the most likely to win, rather than who we would join. In the case of the former, Necrons, in the case of the latter, The Culture.


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 Portugal Jones wrote:

 guardpiper wrote:
I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

I think Lensmen might have a leg up over the Culture. By the end of their war, you had both sides using large planets as faster than light ballistic weapons... but that's also why these kinds of threads, the whole 'who would win?' are always so dumb, You rarely even have a common frame of reference, much less an easily identifiable yardstick to measure by.

Necron celestial orrery. By snuffing out a light on this model, you've just made a star go supernova.

 pities2004 wrote:
There seems be to tons of doomsday weapons in the star wars universe, I mean how would a space marine fleet take on a super star destroyer plus a death star?

Terra go boom

In 40k fluff, they'd finish both off with just a single previously unheard of chapter which would die in the process except for a few token marines. GW has been there and done that. Or Draigo...

Necrons Vs Borg, man that would be fantastic

 pities2004 wrote:
Necrons Vs Borg, man that would be fantastic

"We are the Borg. We will assimilate your biologi....your technological distinctiveness into our collective. Resistance is futile."

 fishy bob wrote:

 guardpiper wrote:
I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

Yes. This thread comes up now and then, and with the exception of some 40K fanboys The Culture is always the favourite.

The Culture? Never heard of that one. What's it from?

Also, this thread comes up often? Erm...oops. Sorry for being repetitive.

DALEKS ARE THE SUPREME BEINGS! DALEKS ARE THE MASTERS OF ALL! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!

That is all I have to say. Any other questions, see 'Reality Bomb'.

That, or they'd just time travel back to when the most powerful civilisations were crawling from the oceans and exterminate all of them.

RESISTANCE IS USELESS! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

 guardpiper wrote:
I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

Yes definitely.. they will have seen the battle coming, predicted it, and know that the only way it could exist is if someone had suggested it on an open forum, early 21st century..

Or.. I think you could answer any other suggestion put forward with the word 'Draigo', which would instantly invalidate any other suggestion.

I have to bring up the Reapers from Mass Effect.

Assuming it's not the cycle period that Shephard's anomaly exists in, yeah... nuh night universe and everything in it. Reapers are the cosmic recyclers at it's finest.

The death star, sure it could give one a run for its money and vaporize it, but with the amount of time it takes to align for another shot, they'd get one, and then it'd be ripped apart by the others. The reapers are also fairly nimble for something so large, so even hitting one isn't a guarantee.

SkavenLord wrote:

 fishy bob wrote:

 guardpiper wrote:
I would think the Culture would stand a good chance being the last civilization standing.

Yes. This thread comes up now and then, and with the exception of some 40K fanboys The Culture is always the favourite.

The Culture? Never heard of that one. What's it from?

Also, this thread comes up often? Erm...oops. Sorry for being repetitive.

A series of novels by (recently deceased) British sci-fi writer Iain M. Banks. Start with The Player of Games - absolutely worth it!

The Culture, of course. They may not win (there's a few other universes that make them look pathetic), but it will be one hell of a party before the end.

In the end it would be The Necrons. The Celestial Orrery could be used as a weapon, they have the C'Tan shards on the battlefield, untold billions of durable troops, the best tacticians at their disposal, and combine all of that with chronomancers, future-seers, and crypteks - game over, Necrons win.

Why do people keep mentioning the lame-ass Death Star? Some donut pilots destroyed it because hmmm, they keep designing it with massive flaws. Send one Necron Cryptek in a tiny shuttle to infiltrate its computer systems, and he'd do it in five minutes and just self-destruct it. It would literally be a footnote task on his agenda for the day.

I'm having to go with necrons.

Minmei.

I am going to have to go on a limb here but, if given the right circumstances, the flood of Halo fame. Now, I know what you may be thinking. "But CustomLime, the flood was killed by the UNSC and by even modern standards they suck!". This maybe but I posit that the Flood is only ever as dangerous as the people they face.

The flood has this ability that, when the infect someone, every organism now has their skills and knowledge. So while a flood that had infected some Halo marines would be as easy to deal with as crappy guardsman flood that managed to get their hands on some Orks or even Space Marines would be far more lethal. I wonder what would happen should they infect a Psyker.. would the Gravemind learn to use warp powers or would he be possessed by a daemon?

And as the flood threat grows they only become more powerful and more capable of infection since they learn more and more about their enemy. This is why a super advanced civilization like the Forerunners had such trouble with them. So, to sum things up, the Flood can reasonably threaten any sci fi faction that has a central nervous system and penetrable armor.

HOWEVER. This assumes that the Flood isn't destroyed when it's still in it's feral stages which is pitifully easy to do. It's possible for any universe for the flood to become a threat but they'd have to be very unlucky.

Culture or Necrons? Is no one a Trekkie anymore? Join the Q continuum and just be a god, smash smash smash.

Or join forces with Chuck Norris

Qs are cheating.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
So while a flood that had infected some Halo marines would be as easy to deal with as crappy guardsman flood that managed to get their hands on some Orks or even Space Marines would be far more lethal.

Not really. Remember, you're talking about universes like the Culture, where a disarmed ex-warship considers "able to destroy a planet" an insultingly low estimate of its firepower. Dealing with guardsmen vs. space marines matters about as much as whether you're fighting your nuclear war against ancient Romans or medieval knights.

So, to sum things up, the Flood can reasonably threaten any sci fi faction that has a central nervous system and penetrable armor.

IOW, none of the high-end universes. Well, they might manage to infect the humans in the Culture, but that just interrupts the civilization-wide party. The Minds that control the warships and infrastructure don't care about trivial details like "central nervous systems". And it's a safe bet most other high-end factions are the same.

The Doctor.

I have no idea who the Culture is, so I'm gonna go with Star Wars. Space Marines might be able to leave a planet as a dead wasteland, but Vader can blow it into smithereens. No other universes are allowed to convert young, blonde haired farm boys with daddy's old laser sword or wavy haired sarcastic smugglers. Those are ours!!!


You can have our Gungans though. Free of charge.

40k.
Imperium:What's your death star going to do when executor turns out to be the entire imperial navy?(Taktikal jenius)Also STEEHL RHAIN.And spess muhrines!
Necrons:Trayzn the infinity troll would probably wipe out a galaxy just for the heck of it.
Tau:they all die.
Orkzey stompz everfing unda da inspirashun of warlord gorgutz!

I'm joining the Galaxy Police from the anime movie Tenchi Muyo in Love. They have a "dimensional cannon" which as the name suggests will destroy an entire dimension. In theory this would only leave species 8472 from Star Trek, only because they live in a dimension that is liquid.

The Browncoats from Firefly...
Because it's well known law of sci-fi, the cooler you are and the better your show, the more you win in the end.

And they are just too pretty to die.

Just look at that chiselled jaw..

Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat could take them all on, including Chuck Norris, and win, somehow.

Phule and his company.

Because awesome.


My personal vote has to be for the forces of the Emperor Seamus Murphy

Drop Commandos and especially Alicia DeVrais..

 Ugavine wrote:
The Doctor.

I second that thought. How about necrons vs replicator vs borg

Welsh_Furey wrote:

 Ugavine wrote:
The Doctor.

I second that thought. How about necrons vs replicator vs borg

You know, I think there's a Cybermen vs Borg comic that exists.

Edit: Scratch that, apparently it really does exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation/Doctor_Who:_Assimilation2

 Paradigm wrote:
DALEKS ARE THE SUPREME BEINGS! DALEKS ARE THE MASTERS OF ALL! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!

That is all I have to say. Any other questions, see 'Reality Bomb'.

That, or they'd just time travel back to when the most powerful civilisations were crawling from the oceans and exterminate all of them.

RESISTANCE IS USELESS! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

QFT

EXTERMINATE!!!

Although Daleks Vs. H.R Gigers Xenomorphs and Skynet would be a fun battle to watch...

/universe

I would put a lot of money on Star Wars just because they actually understand how to use their technology well also possessing a large scale military unlike say star trek.

pities2004 wrote:There seems be to tons of doomsday weapons in the star wars universe, I mean how would a space marine fleet take on a super star destroyer plus a death star?

Terra go boom

Sorry bro, death star is old school lol, almost every race in any sci-fi movie/novel can do the same.

TheCustomLime wrote:I am going to have to go on a limb here but, if given the right circumstances, the flood of Halo fame. Now, I know what you may be thinking. "But CustomLime, the flood was killed by the UNSC and by even modern standards they suck!". This maybe but I posit that the Flood is only ever as dangerous as the people they face.

The flood has this ability that, when the infect someone, every organism now has their skills and knowledge. So while a flood that had infected some Halo marines would be as easy to deal with as crappy guardsman flood that managed to get their hands on some Orks or even Space Marines would be far more lethal. I wonder what would happen should they infect a Psyker.. would the Gravemind learn to use warp powers or would he be possessed by a daemon?

And as the flood threat grows they only become more powerful and more capable of infection since they learn more and more about their enemy. This is why a super advanced civilization like the Forerunners had such trouble with them. So, to sum things up, the Flood can reasonably threaten any sci fi faction that has a central nervous system and penetrable armor.

HOWEVER. This assumes that the Flood isn't destroyed when it's still in it's feral stages which is pitifully easy to do. It's possible for any universe for the flood to become a threat but they'd have to be very unlucky.

What is the flood gonna do to robot? any robotic race will just be their downfall. If you have not noticed the entire halo facility used robots to keep the flood from escaping.



My race of choice got to be necrons. The thing about then that stand out is that we know nothing about the. We know the basics, we the thing we can comprehend but they got so many toys and gadgets compared to other races .

Hmm, no MTG players in the midst?

I'd Say the Phyrexians one up literally everyone...

Immortality and eternal existence trump anything I've seen here... The ability to corrupt both flesh and machine.

All will be one.

I am going to have to go with The Great Space Coaster. Clearly culture did not prevent its existence. It is a sci fi universe of unparalleled power. They have a spaceship that is a cross between a jaloppy, santas sleigh, and a rocket, that can travel between dimensions and allows humans to survive in outer space without the aid of a space suit.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Hmm, no MTG players in the midst?

I'd Say the Phyrexians one up literally everyone...

Immortality and eternal existence trump anything I've seen here... The ability to corrupt both flesh and machine.

All will be one.

Ideon destroys the universe... so there's that.

 Fafnir wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Hmm, no MTG players in the midst?

I'd Say the Phyrexians one up literally everyone...

Immortality and eternal existence trump anything I've seen here... The ability to corrupt both flesh and machine.

All will be one.

Ideon destroys the universe... so there's that.

MTG, of course! I forgot that 'Jace the Mindsculpter, better than all!'

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Immortality and eternal existence trump anything I've seen here...

Hardly. Phyrexians are on the level of all the other generic fantasy races in MTG, which means they're ants to be stepped on by even low-end scifi civilizations. Immortality doesn't protect you from having your entire planet vaporized, and their whole corruption thing is probably a lot less effective against civilizations with medical technology beyond the 1500s. Worst-case scenario their corruption spreads a bit before anyone realizes what's happening and then the scifi civilization quarantines the area and sterilizes everything inside.


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 Inflatable love badger wrote:
MTG, of course! I forgot that 'Jace the Mindsculpter, better than all!'

Well, better than some other fantasy telepaths maybe. Not very impressive compared to anyone important.

Mr. Spoon

 Peregrine wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
So while a flood that had infected some Halo marines would be as easy to deal with as crappy guardsman flood that managed to get their hands on some Orks or even Space Marines would be far more lethal.

Not really. Remember, you're talking about universes like the Culture, where a disarmed ex-warship considers "able to destroy a planet" an insultingly low estimate of its firepower. Dealing with guardsmen vs. space marines matters about as much as whether you're fighting your nuclear war against ancient Romans or medieval knights.

So, to sum things up, the Flood can reasonably threaten any sci fi faction that has a central nervous system and penetrable armor.

IOW, none of the high-end universes. Well, they might manage to infect the humans in the Culture, but that just interrupts the civilization-wide party. The Minds that control the warships and infrastructure don't care about trivial details like "central nervous systems". And it's a safe bet most other high-end factions are the same.

Wow, I really need to start reading some sci fi novels. Okay, I retract my statement. My vote then goes to the culture.

It's only cheating if you get caught, and I don't think a Q would get caught if it didn't want to. And they very much a well established sci-fi faction.

I mean, the power to change the universe around you, even create new ones, would pretty much trump anything the Flood or the Mass Effect Reapers could muster. "Oh, you have a moon-sized super laser wielding space station? That's nice *snaps fingers* but it's really just a cute kitten. Actually *snaps again* I'll let it keep the world-destroying super laser, that sounds like it could be fun!"

If we're counting Comics, the The One Above All wins all prizes ever (since he created them). He is literally God in every sense, he created all known and all possible realities. Ever. He's kind of like the comic-equivalent of a children's argument: "Mxyzptlk is the mostest powerful ever!" "Nuh-UH! because The One Above All is a googleplex times infinity TIMES INFINITY more powerful!". Arguably He isn't a faction, and almost certainly wouldn't get involved with such minor things as dimensions being destroyed.

Bringing it down a notch, The Empire is hardly the most powerful faction n Star Wars. The Death Star isn't even the most powerful super weapon, that would be the Sun Crusher, and I still think those would lose to the Yuzang Vong or Revan with the Star Forge assuming neither had split up. The Flood is a good contender since they were even able to kill the Forerunners and survive the galaxy-wide purge of the Halos. The Reapers were mentioned already, and are on a similar level to flood, possibly more powerful.

But really, the correct answer is clearly that alien kid in Men in Black that was playing marbles with the galaxies.

 Peregrine wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Immortality and eternal existence trump anything I've seen here...

Hardly. Phyrexians are on the level of all the other generic fantasy races in MTG, which means they're ants to be stepped on by even low-end scifi civilizations. Immortality doesn't protect you from having your entire planet vaporized, and their whole corruption thing is probably a lot less effective against civilizations with medical technology beyond the 1500s. Worst-case scenario their corruption spreads a bit before anyone realizes what's happening and then the scifi civilization quarantines the area and sterilizes everything inside.


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 Inflatable love badger wrote:
MTG, of course! I forgot that 'Jace the Mindsculpter, better than all!'

Well, better than some other fantasy telepaths maybe. Not very impressive compared to anyone important.

Seems to me you're not familiar with the Phyrexian Oil... The oil that contains the very knowledge of Phyrexia.

It doesn't really corrupt in the way you'd think, there's no nanites, etc that can be stopped, it transforms genetic material, mutates it. There's only ONE person in the known Multiverse who managed to find out how to reverse phyresis, but honestly, even for the entire plane, having the knowledge and learning to implement it, two very different things. Only Melira learned how to reverse phyresis, but apparently it's not something easy to teach, I.E you have to have access to certain kinds of magic and mana to do it.

Nid's win in my book. Endless hordes... They never get wited out, they go away, evolve and come back stronger, so eventually all is lost to them.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Seems to me you're not familiar with the Phyrexian Oil... The oil that contains the very knowledge of Phyrexia.

No, I am. I just don't buy the argument that a faction that has trouble dealing with your average sword and bow fantasy armies is going to last more than a few seconds against scifi civilizations that consider destroying planets effortlessly simple.

It doesn't really corrupt in the way you'd think, there's no nanites, etc that can be stopped, it transforms genetic material, mutates it. There's only ONE person in the known Multiverse who managed to find out how to reverse phyresis, but honestly, even for the entire plane, having the knowledge and learning to implement it, two very different things. Only Melira learned how to reverse phyresis, but apparently it's not something easy to teach, I.E you have to have access to certain kinds of magic and mana to do it.

You mean it attempts to transform it. Let's say a Culture human gets infected. They get aboard a ship, the ship detects the infection, removes the infected material, and drops it into the core of the nearest star where it is instantly reduced to its component atoms. That kind of plague only works when you're limited to 1500s medical technology, high-end scifi civilizations just don't care about things like that.


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 Kelly502 wrote:
Nid's win in my book. Endless hordes... They never get wited out, they go away, evolve and come back stronger, so eventually all is lost to them.

They never get stopped by 40k armies. 40k is on the low end of scifi power, there are plenty of civilizations that would laugh at the Tyranids and delegate the extermination process to a minor combat drone.

I see your culture and raise you John De lanice better known as Q


And to the person who said the flood... the flood are one of the weakest sci-fi races out there (as most factions in halo are terrible). Any competent Scifi faction can deal with them rather quickly.


I could also vote for Futurama, probably one of the strongest sci-fi verses out there.

 Ninjacommando wrote:
I see your culture and raise you John De lanice better known as Q

The unwritten rule in this kind of discussion is that you aren't allowed to use literal gods since it kills all discussion and replaces it with "my god is better than your god" with no hope of resolution.

I'd put my lot in with the Wing Commander universe. Best fighter craft of any universe, near perfect cloaking technology, fighters craft that can deliver planet busting weapons, skipper missiles that not only are cloaked but can use jump points to strike their foes. The Terran Confederation and Kilrathi waged over a 35 year war against one another, and yet beat a teched up Nid like race in the Nephilim in just over a year with help from Kilrathi defense force elements.

A fighter like the Dragon with a flash pack, could easily take out many other sci-fi universe's best capital ships without support.

 Peregrine wrote:


The unwritten rule in this kind of discussion is that you aren't allowed to use literal gods since it kills all discussion and replaces it with "my god is better than your god" with no hope of resolution.

But the Q aren't gods, they are just insanely powerful, the reason they watch humans is because the know that humanity has the potential to one day evolve beyond the Q and They wanted to understand how

 Peregrine wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:
I see your culture and raise you John De lanice better known as Q

The unwritten rule in this kind of discussion is that you aren't allowed to use literal gods since it kills all discussion and replaces it with "my god is better than your god" with no hope of resolution.

That's a shame, but probably saved me a lynching, as I was going to mention one the oldest fantacy universes of all time, immortals, tragedies, infinite power, omnipresence, etc. all from a book over 2000 years old! Give or take a few years.

Cthuhlu.

The Culture is one of the most advanced societies described by any (established) Sci-fi author or cannon, and in pure power could probably whip most other, non-godlike, Species or Factions. As long as we assume that hyper-evolved and godlike beings such as Q's and the various Ascendant Species that crop up are not getting involved.

However, the Culture Minds would not undertake any such action, in many of the books they quite deliberately fail to get involved with situations and seem to respect the requirement for a bio-diverse Universe of different cultures and that sort of thing. In some cases acting to preserve warlike Races, rather than smash them.

Therefore, I would go with (as my sensible, well, arguable) the Polity, from the Neal Asher books, very similar to the Culture but far more Human centric and Warlike. All the massive weapons of destruction and suchlike possessed by any self respecting Mega-Super Galactic power, with the ruthlessness of Us and Guiding Machine Minds.

There's already a game about this called Smash Up.

I think I am going to have to read about this "culture", it sounds cool.

I like how there is always a few poor souls that take these seriously thinking their arguments actually mean anything lol.

I'll go for a new guy. If everyone is fighting, the veer-myn numbers will go unchecked and unbalanced, and with so much interstellar and inter dimensional travel, they will spread like rats did on earth throughout the entire "super space" and destroy everything.

Squats.Someone had to say it.

Does each faction fight in their own make belief universe or they all meet in the real universe?

The more models a science fiction background is, the more possible it is to exist, the more probability it has to win in the real universe against a more impossible to exist background.

Most space opera fictional universes are prone to at best odd things that do not stand to reality and themselves are self contained and prone to conflicting background with each other.

I would really like to know the Physics behind the necron thingy that makes stars go Supernova, does it introduce a few solar masses or iron to the star in order to make it go Type 2?

Likewise what would the Q be in 40k? a lesser warp denizen race? what would 40k things be in another universes background, were firepower for example works as intended? how does a universe were psychic powers exist and a universe were the above mentioned are definitely not in existence compare with each other?

I usually try to avoid comparing Sci fi backgrounds with each-other or with reality because once you do that, they start falling apart.

To be honest if most of them met in the 'Real Universe' then they would kind of fall apart when all their FTL tech stopped working, it many years to reach other, inertia ripped ships and missiles and stuff apart etc etc

Assuming all factions are opposed to alliances, what would I do? I would beg the Culture for refuge and then try and avoid the fighting as long as possible. They might win but if they don't I might as well live out my last in style.

As for cool sci fi factions, I suggest people look up the Concordiat or more specifically their tanks, called bolos. They make baneblades look like kinder surprise toys. They're not major players and wouldn't win this scrap but they do have some cool toys.

my vote goes for the deathstalker universe
specifically, the baby that yawned or whatever and caused a section of the galaxy to go dark (at least, i think that was basically how it went, its been years since i read the books)

 Paradigm wrote:
DALEKS ARE THE SUPREME BEINGS! DALEKS ARE THE MASTERS OF ALL! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!

That is all I have to say. Any other questions, see 'Reality Bomb'.

That, or they'd just time travel back to when the most powerful civilisations were crawling from the oceans and exterminate all of them.

RESISTANCE IS USELESS! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

The Dalek Empire is temperamental as hell. It gets wiped out and reformed on the daily. In any case, the Reality bomb is not a valid argument as it was a one-off by Davros.

The current Dalek Empire is total trash too.

 Rayvon wrote:
I think I am going to have to read about this "culture", it sounds cool.

You won't regret it. Start with The Player of Games or Consider Phlebas.

 Peregrine wrote:


You mean it attempts to transform it. Let's say a Culture human gets infected. They get aboard a ship, the ship detects the infection, removes the infected material, and drops it into the core of the nearest star where it is instantly reduced to its component atoms. That kind of plague only works when you're limited to 1500s medical technology, high-end scifi civilizations just don't care about things like that.

Except Phyrexia dominated everything in its' path... it took the COMBINED efforts of godlike beings to stop it and even then, it was a 1 in a million chance that they'd prevail... They had to use a gigantic well of white mana to just eradicate Yawgmoth...

And Phyrexia conquered Mirrodin as well, Mutation is fairly quick actually.

Plus, The oil is kind of very, VERY difficult to get rid of, the only thing known to repel it is the Planeswalker Spark...

Also, Phyrexians have access to planar portal technology. They're not limited by space transport and thusly can conquer the known universe fairly quickly... There's a reason that by the time Phyrexians perfected portal tech, the Heroes of the story would beat them with plot armor... (A moon of white mana... Pure White Mana, think of it like using a nuclear missile to kill a cockroach..)

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Except Phyrexia dominated everything in its' path... it took the COMBINED efforts of godlike beings to stop it and even then, it was a 1 in a million chance that they'd prevail... They had to use a gigantic well of white mana to just eradicate Yawgmoth...

Again, you're talking about a world where generic sword and bow fantasy armies fight on equal terms with Phyrexia. They die in seconds against scifi civilizations that can obliterate entire planets with a trivial effort.

Plus, The oil is kind of very, VERY difficult to get rid of, the only thing known to repel it is the Planeswalker Spark...

It's only difficult to get rid of when you're limited to fantasy-level technology. When you consider atomic-scale construction/modification to be a trivial feat removing Phyrexian corruption is a joke. Physically take it out of the victim, isolate it in a force field where it has no contact with anything else, and drop it into the nearest star.

Also, Phyrexians have access to planar portal technology.

So what? Against a high-end scifi civilization that just means it saves them the trouble of having to chase after the Phyrexians before killing them. If they portal onto a Culture orbital or ship they'll be teleported into the core of the nearest star before their brains have time to process the fact that they've arrived at their destination.

Pure White Mana, think of it like using a nuclear missile to kill a cockroach..)

That's a pretty good analogy for what happens when Phyrexia encounters a high-end scifi civilization. Remember, a disarmed Culture ex-warship considers "able to destroy a planet" an insultingly low estimate of its firepower, and battles are fought at high FTL speeds within fractions of a second. You're talking about a civilization where the equivalent of a modern cruise ship is capable of destroying the entire 40k galaxy, and the only question is whether the ship will get bored of the whole thing and delegate it to a less-intelligent ship/fleet so it can go do something interesting instead.

Toss-up between the Culture and the Eschaton. One because it's in the best interest of everyone for them to win (and they have the tech to back it up), and the other because it's going to tear causality a new one and iron bomb your local star(s) when your politicians start deciding that war with it is a good idea.

So to the answer the question who would I join, well I'd join the Ancients. And then ascend. Job done I survive.

However since most of this discussion seems to be heading towards who would win, people have to realise that she you get the big boys of sci-fi together, there is no use in being the biggest army or the greatest warriors in all the universe, when every worthwhile battle will be fought in space, and any planet could just be vaporized.

The Culture has abandoned planets (and even orbitals) at its "current" incarnation, with most of its population living on General Systems Vehicles - large "spaceship worlds" akin to Eldar Craftworlds, but considerably larger and mainly composed of the sort of far-future high tech solid force fields the Culture likes to play around with. Oh yes, they can also convert themselves to factory world-ships or warships if necessary.

...it will probably come as no surprise to anyone that most Culture novels are set outside their own space on somewhate less advanced worlds, orbitals and ships...

Eldercaveman wrote:
So to the answer the question who would I join, well I'd join the Ancients. And then ascend. Job done I survive.

However since most of this discussion seems to be heading towards who would win, people have to realise that she you get the big boys of sci-fi together, there is no use in being the biggest army or the greatest warriors in all the universe, when every worthwhile battle will be fought in space, and any planet could just be vaporized.

Depends on the objective of the war, if it is to eradicate everything leaving a single system in existence then planets could be blown, but is the objective is to conquer everything, then planets cannot be blown because they are strategic assets, the reason why the war is done, and ground combat will happen, because regardless of what you do and how bad you bomb a planet there will be survivors ready to fight.

I still maintain that each make belief race cannot exist or combat outside their own make belief universe without falling apart.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
So to the answer the question who would I join, well I'd join the Ancients. And then ascend. Job done I survive.

However since most of this discussion seems to be heading towards who would win, people have to realise that she you get the big boys of sci-fi together, there is no use in being the biggest army or the greatest warriors in all the universe, when every worthwhile battle will be fought in space, and any planet could just be vaporized.

Depends on the objective of the war, if it is to eradicate everything leaving a single system in existence then planets could be blown, but is the objective is to conquer everything, then planets cannot be blown because they are strategic assets, the reason why the war is done, and ground combat will happen, because regardless of what you do and how bad you bomb a planet there will be survivors ready to fight.

I still maintain that each make belief race cannot exist or combat outside their own make belief universe without falling apart.

Like I said, I'll just ascend and leave the rest of you guys to it.

Farscape.

Just unleash your wormhole weapon. Profit.

Kaptajn Congoboy wrote:
The Culture has abandoned planets (and even orbitals) at its "current" incarnation, with most of its population living on General Systems Vehicles - large "spaceship worlds" akin to Eldar Craftworlds, but considerably larger and mainly composed of the sort of far-future high tech solid force fields the Culture likes to play around with. Oh yes, they can also convert themselves to factory world-ships or warships if necessary.

...it will probably come as no surprise to anyone that most Culture novels are set outside their own space on somewhate less advanced worlds, orbitals and ships...

Well, not entirely. Orbitals are still a big part of the Culture because they're aesthetically pleasing and an efficient use of materials if you want to provide a few square miles of living space to every single person. After all, it's just so tasteless to dismantle whole planets to build a ringworld or Dyson sphere when you can just take all the "waste" material in a system (comets, asteroids, etc) and build orbitals.

(Of course it's also stated that orbitals can act as giant ships if needed.)

I may have misremembered it, but I think Culture Orbitals are out by the time of Surface Detail (the next to last book, set around 3000AD), having been replaced by the largest mentioned GSVs entirely. They do use them earlier, of course.

 warboss wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:
There seems be to tons of doomsday weapons in the star wars universe, I mean how would a space marine fleet take on a super star destroyer plus a death star?

Terra go boom

In 40k fluff, they'd finish both off with just a single previously unheard of chapter which would die in the process except for a few token marines. GW has been there and done that. Or Draigo...

Wrong actually. Please remember that even the much dreaded Super Star Destroyer is only 1 mile long....... about half a mile shorter than the Cobra class Frigate, the smallest ship in the imperial navy.
The Imperium would line up and level the entirety of the Star Wars fleets in one.

As it is though I would like to see the Borg join. And the Tyranids and Necrons. Just for the sheer hell of a 3 way clash that would be.

I would join with the machine race that built v'ger in Star Trek motion picture if they knock that up for a lost little probe what could they do for war? Or I would hide in the slow zone from fire upon the deep where nobody's doomsday weapons or ftl drives work anyway

 wildphilldude wrote:
I would join with the machine race that built v'ger in Star Trek motion picture if they knock that up for a lost little probe what could they do for war? Or I would hide in the slow zone from fire upon the deep where nobody's doomsday weapons or ftl drives work anyway

I vaguely remember seeing some reference that there was, at least, an attempt to connect the V'ger aliens with one of the entities that eventually became the Borg.

Anyway, seems like this'd have to be divided into some weight-classes to be reasonable. At the top we have actual no-fooling 'gods', then 'galaxy-spanning civilizations' down to one-on-one combatants.

 Balance wrote:

 wildphilldude wrote:
I would join with the machine race that built v'ger in Star Trek motion picture if they knock that up for a lost little probe what could they do for war? Or I would hide in the slow zone from fire upon the deep where nobody's doomsday weapons or ftl drives work anyway

I vaguely remember seeing some reference that there was, at least, an attempt to connect the V'ger aliens with one of the entities that eventually became the Borg.

Yup, there's speculation by fans that they were proto-Borg or inspired by what they did with V'ger to create proto-Borg. Nothing I've seen official links them, though.

Factions?Does this mean da orkz are united.....WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA........AAAAAAAAGHH!All da orkz.

Spoiler because of huge image

That chart has the eclipse smaller then a super star destroyer.I don't trust it.

But? it shows it is bigger.

Shows those Wing Commander vessels though. A lot smaller, but their fighter craft is still universally superior. To any other fighter craft the others could bring. One dragon with a flash pack could ice the Eclipse and do it before it could even notice the dragon.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
But? it shows it is bigger.

It looks shorter.

Da krimson barun wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
But? it shows it is bigger.

It looks shorter.

It shows its shorter from Executor, which is true.

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
Shows those Wing Commander vessels though. A lot smaller, but their fighter craft is still universally superior. To any other fighter craft the others could bring. One dragon with a flash pack could ice the Eclipse and do it before it could even notice the dragon.

Well, at least against a low-end civilization where human-piloted fighters are relevant at all.

human-piloted fighters will ALWAYS be relevant.

Da krimson barun wrote:
That chart has the eclipse smaller then a super star destroyer.I don't trust it.

GW has pulled back on most their ridiculous superlative ship sizes from early fluff and FFG has resized almost all of them to be more reasonable. Since everything FFG does gets the blessing of GW, FFG sizes being most recent, they supercede the old BFG sizes.

DirkLoechel 4 days ago
Me too. Soon as FFG decides they release the new sizings (they resized all ships from BFG, and BL and GW go with it, so my hands are kinds tied there D: ) they'll be added. Same for 'cron, 'nid and Tau ships.

http://dirkloechel.deviantart.com/art/Size-Comparison-Science-Fiction-spaceships-398790051?offset=20#comments

He has a couple other images on there and is rather well versed in 40K fluff, so I dont think he is trying to short change 40K ship sizes in their general ridiculousness.

I was talking about star wars.

At least I should say 'humanoid' one-two man fighter craft will be relevant in any situation. High or low tech, the one with the best fighter and fighter/bomber craft win. This is way Star Trek universe would get wiped out hard and early.

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
At least I should say 'humanoid' one-two man fighter craft will be relevant in any situation. High or low tech, the one with the best fighter and fighter/bomber craft win. This is way Star Trek universe would get wiped out hard and early.

The Star Trek Universe has manned fighters. They show them during the Dominion Wars and cadets are trained on them in the Academy(there's even a TNG episode centered around an "accident" involving one, it's Wesley heavy).

The REAL reason Star Trek would be wiped out fast is because their ships are small and under gunned for their size(mostly due to Star Fleet not really being a military).

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
At least I should say 'humanoid' one-two man fighter craft will be relevant in any situation. High or low tech, the one with the best fighter and fighter/bomber craft win. This is way Star Trek universe would get wiped out hard and early.

Lol, no. When battles are fought at high-FTL speeds in fractions of a second a fighter becomes completely irrelevant. By the time the human pilot's brain can even process the fact that a battle is happening it's already over. Meanwhile a fighter doesn't have enough firepower to compete with bigger ships, and the whole "hard to hit" thing only works against mechanical turrets that care about having to aim at you. And of course in harder scifi universes a fighter is stupid because it has to spend mass on life support, fuel to return to base, etc. A missile of equivalent mass does everything better since it doesn't have to keep a pilot alive or return from its mission.

If a human brain can't hold together at high-FTL speeds in a fighter it sure as heck can't do it in a capital ship. The human mind will be the best at making split second decisions over a computer, because learned talent, and instinct are not programmable. I give the mind a lot more credit, then your seeming to give.

As far as firepower goes most fighters carry payloads of missiles and torpedoes that strike vulnerable spots or in numbers simply mass fire and overwhelm a larger ship. Or you have a fighter like the Black Lance Dragon, that is invisible to both sensors and visual, carries a one hit, one kill weapon against anything it attaches to, AND a main weapon in dual fission cannons that can destroy targets with ease.

Hard to hit applies also to the fact that a fighter can dink and dunk, jink and move away from threats that a missile couldn't do. (Though to be fair Wing Commander does have skipper missiles that are cloaked, and can jump like a fighter or cap ship) They usually have countermeasures to foil missiles and speed and maneuverability that large ships just don't have.

Fighters also can come in a range of different types for different roles, such as scouting, recon, bombing/torpedoing targets. The level of versatility is staggering.

Trying to read into it but.. whats the point of the culture? if everything is provided for you and you no longer have to do anything as everything is replaced with AI whats the point of organic life? why would the AI even bother with keeping it around when the AI could focus on more important matter than keeping a worthless organic being alive?

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
If a human brain can't hold together at high-FTL speeds in a fighter it sure as heck can't do it in a capital ship. The human mind will be the best at making split second decisions over a computer, because learned talent, and instinct are not programmable. I give the mind a lot more credit, then your seeming to give.

You're forgetting that most high-end scifi civilizations have AIs that make humans look like insects (or worse) in comparison. For example, a Culture warship is a god-like sentient ship whose Mind considers simulating entire universes from fundamental principles to be light entertainment and can handle space battles that happen in fractions of a second.

As far as firepower goes most fighters carry payloads of missiles and torpedoes that strike vulnerable spots or in numbers simply mass fire and overwhelm a larger ship.

You know what carries even more missiles? Replacing the fighter with more missiles and shooting the whole blob of them at the enemy.

Or you have a fighter like the Black Lance Dragon, that is invisible to both sensors and visual, carries a one hit, one kill weapon against anything it attaches to, AND a main weapon in dual fission cannons that can destroy targets with ease.

At least in its own universe. Against other civilizations you can't just declare a one-hit kill, especially when even civilian ships in those civilizations carry planet-destroying firepower (and can presumably defend against those guns).

Hard to hit applies also to the fact that a fighter can dink and dunk, jink and move away from threats that a missile couldn't do.

Why exactly is a fighter able to evade better than a missile that doesn't have to carry extra mass for the fuel to return home safely or worry about acceleration limits for its fragile human pilot?

Fighters also can come in a range of different types for different roles, such as scouting, recon, bombing/torpedoing targets. The level of versatility is staggering.

You know what's better than using a fighter for that? Using a battleship. Or better, a whole fleet of battleships. Remember, there are scifi civilizations that deploy squadrons of mile-long planet killer battleships as effortlessly as other civilizations deploy squadrons of fighters.


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 Ninjacommando wrote:
Trying to read into it but.. whats the point of the culture? if everything is provided for you and you no longer have to do anything as everything is replaced with AI whats the point of organic life? why would the AI even bother with keeping it around when the AI could focus on more important matter than keeping a worthless organic being alive?

One of the major themes of the books is answering that question.

The Q continium would win if they actually bothered to make war...

I still hold with the old BFG sizes.
And as such that chart is heresy and must :flame:
As it is though GWs sizes are the relevant ones as they are the actual ones in the fluff.
So the Cobra class are still 1.5-1.6 miles in length (which, when you think of what they carry, is reasonable. They can fit whole regiments inside themselves)

 Ninjacommando wrote:
Trying to read into it but.. whats the point of the culture? if everything is provided for you and you no longer have to do anything as everything is replaced with AI whats the point of organic life? why would the AI even bother with keeping it around when the AI could focus on more important matter than keeping a worthless organic being alive?

Living, experiencing stuff. What's the point of super-intelligent AI life, really?

The Culture AIs keep people around because killing them would be wrong, and they're as deserving of existence as everyone else. Plus we do funny/interesting stuff that amuses them. There is a certain amount of lip-service to humans doing the liaison-work with other races because making diplomatic deals with near-godlike AI starships is 'intimidating.'

Ennui is actually a problem in the Culture universe for both humans and Minds. There's a section in one book that mentions that Minds sometimes spend massive amounts of time in 'Infinite Fun Space', a VR world. Humans have occasional issues as well, with some taking long sojourns. There's a character in one book that was an outsider and chose to live in a remote outpost for decades. He was perfectly happy, despite probably being near-insane by a lot of standards.

Another aspect is that while everything is 'free' that doesn't mean it's easy. One notable example in one book is a tale told to an immigrant to the Culture to explain this: Some guy decided he wanted a bunch system of cable cars to make it more fun and interesting to cross a mountain range. The Mind that was the Orbital the mountain range was on didn't really see this as important, but didn't really see the need to block it either. He provided the materials: pre-fab supports, tools, cable, etc.The human had to put in the labor to build the cable-cars himself which involved a lot of hard work and getting other people on board with his idea.... And a few decades later, the system of cable-cars was failing due to neglect, as the guy who built it had long since moved on to something else.

Or to put it another way, any Culture citizen can certainly live like a king by our standards. Massive house, entertainment on-tap, etc. The big 'goals' tend to be either mega-projects, art and culture, or excitement. The last is most often seen by joining Contact (the Culture's "star fleet" that goes out and studies new life) or Special Circumstances (that kills the new life when necessary). If you ask for a bigger house, you'll probably get it. Food, no problem. Drugs? Sure... Destroying yourself is possible, although most Culture 'humans' are pretty sturdy and have drug glands that can dump various substances into the human's blood-stream on command.

Ask for something big, like a Starship: Here's where it gets interesting. Is a Culture Human capable of handling all the maintenance, astrogation, and other tasks without help? Unlikely... It would not surprise me if 'tin can' ships going on short trips through a solar system is common. However, a 'real' ship is going to need a lot more intelligence to control weapons (especially if we're talking combat at light speed) manage pulling power from another dimension, and countless other tasks. So you'd need a Mind to control it, and that likely does hit some of the Culture's rules, as the Mind controlling your new starship would be sentient, and thus 'controlling' it would be akin to slavery, so 'your' starship would now need to be an independent entity... So hopefully it agrees with you.

It's a weird system, but it works in context.

Please, the United Federation of Planets would win, clearly. They send in 'Ambassador' James T Kirk who proceeds to sleep with every intelligent life form (and some of the less intelligent ones, and some of the ones which may not be considered 'life forms'), and spread some unholy genetically modified STI forcing. Everyone to... Talk like. THIS

Communication breaks down, anarchy everywhere, Kirk takes over as Galactic Emperor.

In that scenario every robot enemy(Necrons etc) win because well...Where's he gonna stick it into?And I support the old battlefleet Gothic sizes.EMPIRE state building windows for everyone!

Dude it's Kirk...he will find something on a Cron to stick it into. Might even cause a massive upheaval of reprogramming to make it so they can get 'something' stuck in them afterwards because it's Kirk.

Though I did think about one thing, how would the Culture deal with Tenga Toppa Gurrenn Lagaan? Cause at its height it's....insane.

It's gunna be da Orkz dat come owt on da top of dis foit! Cuz da Orkz ur da bestest and dey haf da Powah of Mork AND Gork on der side!!


Honestly, I have found that brute force and ignorance usually sees you through any problem, so I will assume it will see da Orkz through universal domination...

 KingmanHighborn wrote:

Though I did think about one thing, how would the Culture deal with Tenga Toppa Gurrenn Lagaan? Cause at its height it's....insane.

Offer it membership? The Culture is pretty pro-life, despite the Minds being in control.

 davou wrote:
The Q continium would win if they actually bothered to make war...

The Q have made war. With themselves.

It damaged subspace and caused stars to go supernova in "real space".

Mantrid drones and insect form replicators would be my top two most dangerous lifeforms.
In SG-1 the replicators should have won. The ancient superweapon was only useful against replicators that were near planets with gates. replicator controlled ships in deep space would have survived to start again.

Nuzzgrund wrote:
It's gunna be da Orkz dat come owt on da top of dis foit! Cuz da Orkz ur da bestest and dey haf da Powah of Mork AND Gork on der side!!


Honestly, I have found that brute force and ignorance usually sees you through any problem, so I will assume it will see da Orkz through universal domination...

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!
Orkzalt!

One common method to measure the power level of a civilisation is the Kardashev scale, which looks at amount of energy under its control.

On this scale 40k's Imperium of Man would probably qualify as a Type II, while the Culture are a high Type III.

My personal (fairly obscure) suggestion would be the Xeelee from Stephen Baxter's novels - they're a Type IV with the ability to construct trans-galactic galactic-scale objects.

in that case the civilisations from the Orion's arm universe trump everything.

 Hedgehog wrote:
One common method to measure the power level of a civilisation is the Kardashev scale, which looks at amount of energy under its control.

On this scale 40k's Imperium of Man would probably qualify as a Type II, while the Culture are a high Type III.

My personal (fairly obscure) suggestion would be the Xeelee from Stephen Baxter's novels - they're a Type IV with the ability to construct trans-galactic galactic-scale objects.

That's a good assumption. But one of the distinguishing traits of the 40k universe is the lack of a deterministic drive towards progress. Societies can devolve. Mankind arguably reached Type III at some point in history, but the Age of Strife undid everything we had gained so far, sending the species back to level 0, I in some cases. From the Great Crusade onwards, the Imperium has been a Type II wielding the odd remants of a Type III and, despite it all, still facing the risk of devolving to a series of isolated Level I and 0 civilizations.

 Hedgehog wrote:
One common method to measure the power level of a civilisation is the Kardashev scale, which looks at amount of energy under its control.

On this scale 40k's Imperium of Man would probably qualify as a Type II, while the Culture are a high Type III.

My personal (fairly obscure) suggestion would be the Xeelee from Stephen Baxter's novels - they're a Type IV with the ability to construct trans-galactic galactic-scale objects.

Michio Kaku, in a lecture, said that in Star Trek: The Next Generation, the god-like Q Continuum could be considered above Type Ⅳ, drawing their energy from outside the universe.

Its not fair, but they have 'magic'.

I find it rather odd that nobody has yet to mention the Vorlons.

 judgedoug wrote:
Minmei.

Good choice.

Maybe Zapp Brannigan?

The Vogons would just tie everyone up in red tape then demolish all of the planets in the cosmos to make way for a Hyperspace Bypass.

Hallowed are the Ori!

I must put this one out there, as I feel they are a strong contender. They manage to take over most of the milky way galaxy, and a host of other galaxy's without using any force what so ever, they just land on a planet and use their technology to convert everyone. Only when they come against Earth do they feel they need to build warships capable of destroying planets (and they have a lot of these ships) After building a supergate they come past and destroy and scatter the allied fleet (cannot remember the names of all involved) It is only the Ancients who give the humans the technology to enable the humans to be slightly effective against the Ori.

So i'd join these dudes.

From Stargate if you're not sure

I'm going to have to say the Orks, simply because they can do excellent warfare with mere junk that other factions can do with technology. A few victories in, and da Boyz have got that nice technology as well. Game over, da greenskins win da WAAAGH!!!

 Smitty wrote:
I'm going to have to say the Orks, simply because they can do excellent warfare with mere junk that other factions can do with technology. A few victories in, and da Boyz have got that nice technology as well. Game over, da greenskins win da WAAAGH!!!

The major problem with the Orks is that, reproducing asexually, they very likely have a fairly low level of genetic diversity. Once they get into any universe with a faction that has anything resembling functional SCIENCE!, all it takes is for that universe's version of Monsanto to release RoundUp! For Orks (wipes away all alien fungi!).

Goobacks will win. They will come back in time and take your jobs.

 Magc8Ball wrote:

 Smitty wrote:
I'm going to have to say the Orks, simply because they can do excellent warfare with mere junk that other factions can do with technology. A few victories in, and da Boyz have got that nice technology as well. Game over, da greenskins win da WAAAGH!!!

The major problem with the Orks is that, reproducing asexually, they very likely have a fairly low level of genetic diversity. Once they get into any universe with a faction that has anything resembling functional SCIENCE!, all it takes is for that universe's version of Monsanto to release RoundUp! For Orks (wipes away all alien fungi!).

Even if one allows for their rather unlikely method of reproduction (for a sentient species) the Orks -and for that matter most of the 40k universe - are at such a pathetically low technological level to most of the "contenders" mentioned in this thread they aren't really relevant anyway. And of course, the only reason your scenario hasn't occurred in the 40k universe is that universes heavier emphasis on the Fantasy part of its Science Fantasy...

Kaptajn Congoboy wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:

 Smitty wrote:
I'm going to have to say the Orks, simply because they can do excellent warfare with mere junk that other factions can do with technology. A few victories in, and da Boyz have got that nice technology as well. Game over, da greenskins win da WAAAGH!!!

The major problem with the Orks is that, reproducing asexually, they very likely have a fairly low level of genetic diversity. Once they get into any universe with a faction that has anything resembling functional SCIENCE!, all it takes is for that universe's version of Monsanto to release RoundUp! For Orks (wipes away all alien fungi!).

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!Orkz win because dey is da best!

Fixed dat for you.You wouldn't want a visit from the grey nobs and the orko unorkius would you?

Most likely the zerg.

Alpha complex.
The computer is our friend.
The computer sees all.

Da krimson barun wrote:

Kaptajn Congoboy wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:

 Smitty wrote:
I'm going to have to say the Orks, simply because they can do excellent warfare with mere junk that other factions can do with technology. A few victories in, and da Boyz have got that nice technology as well. Game over, da greenskins win da WAAAGH!!!

The major problem with the Orks is that, reproducing asexually, they very likely have a fairly low level of genetic diversity. Once they get into any universe with a faction that has anything resembling functional SCIENCE!, all it takes is for that universe's version of Monsanto to release RoundUp! For Orks (wipes away all alien fungi!).

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!Orkz win because dey is da best!

Fixed dat for you.You wouldn't want a visit from the grey nobs and the orko unorkius would you?

I disagree that Orks would be so easily wiped out or else the Imperium would've done it already (Back when they were still pimpin' and all). Remember, Orkoids reproduce so fast and so prolifically that random mutations are bound to happen. All it takes is for one Ork to have the needed random mutation to survive and your anti-fungal weapon is bungled.

The Robotech Masters - (if we go back to their hayday). They had the power to convert entire planets into weapons. They technically ruled everything at one point.

Sadly like all great empires, it all came crashing down and spawned a bunch of smaller empires that fought and killed everything.


Also, can we include the entirety of the Marvel and or DC universes as a single faction? They all have their own demi-gods / gods and all powerful aliens / super humans. Or would you have to break them down individually?