i was just wandering about old models that need re-doing by gw soon, so i wanna know what yours are whether they are from one faction or many armies in the 40k universe whatever models you belive need re-doing or even another version or type of model (e.g. another c'tan shard), but here are min any way

another c'tan shard or two is needed for more variety rather than just the deciever or the nightbringer
all the greater daemons are now showing their age so they need to be re done along with skarbrand and ku'gath models to (big rumours for plastic ones mid next year are about )
tau vespids need re-done as they all look similar in just like a one dimensional pose
warp spiders again all look to similar in poses
new jakeoro models, more variety would be cool
deff koptas only have one available model so they need done along with warbuggies
old one eye, biovores

i think they are the major ones that gw need to get doing fast

Dreadnoughts.

The Grey Knight Dreadknight should've been the final proof that GW now has the technology and material to make proper walkers, even for Space Marines.

Those stupid "Mr. Strong" style washing machines on stumpy legs need to go the way of the Dodo. Fast.

I don't mind one-dimensional poses, and I honestly have trouble believing that Jokareo are popular enough to warrant new models.

I'd have to go for certain special characters, in particular
- Abaddon
- Kharn
- Logan Grimnar
- Bjorn
- Abaddon
- Vect
- Phoenix Lords
- Abaddon
- Old One Eye
and lastly, Abaddon, because he really needs it!

You forgot the old warbuggy orks got... it's one of the oldest.. if not THE oldest still in the shop.

I think the CSM box needs redoing, given the awesomeness that was the Raptors and the DV chosen. The new models are far more chaotic and detailed, and I can't be the only player put off by the poor quality (in contrast) of the core troops.

Seriously, GW, make a CSM box that looks like the new chaos stuff and I'll be all-out heretic in seconds!

 necronspurs2012 wrote:

all the greater daemons are now showing their age so they need to be re done along with skarbrand and ku'gath models to (big rumours for plastic ones mid next year are about )

Neither Skarbrand nor Ku'Gath have models. Unless you have dropped into Dakka from the future.

yea many characters need re-doing, and yea i mentioned the warbuggy cos it does need re-doing


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 Grimtuff wrote:

 necronspurs2012 wrote:

all the greater daemons are now showing their age so they need to be re done along with skarbrand and ku'gath models to (big rumours for plastic ones mid next year are about )

Neither Skarbrand nor Ku'Gath have models. Unless you have dropped into Dakka from the future.

yea i have only jokes no thats what i meant that they need models maybe i should have written that a bit better but no seriously they need models s only fateweaver has one for the named greater daemons

The SoB, of course.

Though I wouldn't want their basic appearence changed too much, mostly just them made into posable plastics.

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
yea many characters need re-doing, and yea i mentioned the warbuggy cos it does need re-doing


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 Grimtuff wrote:

 necronspurs2012 wrote:

all the greater daemons are now showing their age so they need to be re done along with skarbrand and ku'gath models to (big rumours for plastic ones mid next year are about )

Neither Skarbrand nor Ku'Gath have models. Unless you have dropped into Dakka from the future.

yea i have only jokes no thats what i meant that they need models maybe i should have written that a bit better but no seriously they need models s only fateweaver has one for the named greater daemons

I'm sorry, what? Put some punctuation in there. Please.

The SoB only really need plastics... and a complete re-do of the Sister Dialoguous... but outside of that, aesthetically, their model line is fine.

 Psienesis wrote:
The SoB only really need plastics... and a complete re-do of the Sister Dialoguous... but outside of that, aesthetically, their model line is fine.

Yeah, it's the all-metal bit that's bad. Apart from that, they're just like Eldar, CSM, etc.

I'd say a gak load of special characters, a huge chunk of the CSM line, the greater daemons, SoB and a load of Eldar stuff need redoing. I would say Tyranids, but I'll wait until January for that.

Priority: Sisters of Battle. Most of them.

Necron Flayed Ones.
Space Marines Centurions.
Daemon Fiends of Slaanesh.

Tau crisis suits. There's no excuse for the iconic unit being such an awful obsolete model.

 Peregrine wrote:
Tau crisis suits. There's no excuse for the iconic unit being such an awful obsolete model.

Completely agree. That size comparison thread with the FW versions really drove it home. The GW plastic one looks like a Happy Meal toy next to them.

In no particular order:

SOB
CSM Cult troops (Thousand Sons / Plague Marines / Noise Marines)
CSM Havocs.

i agree with most like the sob, flayed ones need better models than now and crisis suits could use re-do's too,

Eldar jetbikes
Eldar Warp spiders.

They updated the Wraithguard after 20-odd years.
Time to do the rest.

 chromedog wrote:
Eldar jetbikes
Eldar Warp spiders.

They updated the Wraithguard after 20-odd years.
Time to do the rest.

I just read an old White Dwarf from 1996 featuring the new plastic Eldar Jetbike. Kind of puts things into perspective when there's still a model that's a regular fixture of some armies that's older than many of the people who play this game.

Reeeworrrrk meeee!!!

a great example of one dimensional just standing there chainsword in one hand and bolt pistol in the other at each side legs aprt not much action at all

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
a great example of one dimensional just standing there chainsword in one hand and bolt pistol in the other at each side legs aprt not much action at all

Is your keyboard missing commas, periods, or any punctuation?

On topic, the IG stormtrooper models are pretty awful. The Kasrkin are pretty good, but the basic stormtrooper metal model just looks awful.

A good chunk of the Eldar Range needs redoing.

SOB need a full redo, pretty much like what the Necrons/DE had.

The GDs are really bad at this point.

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
a great example of one dimensional just standing there chainsword in one hand and bolt pistol in the other at each side legs aprt not much action at all

1: Punctuation. Please.
2: The word you are looking for is 2 dimensional. Ragnar is a perfectly fine sculpt, if a little boringly posed. Another example of a model that is older than many of the people that play this game.

Eldar have a good few models dating from second edition. I was flabbergasted that they did not redo the jetbikes with the 6th ed release. All the phoenix lords, swooping hawks and warp spiders as well. Jetbikes and vypers are both solid designs still, but the technical design of the models, the layout of the sprues, and the riders are all showing their age.

Actually for a person described as extremly agile even for a Space Marine he looks sluggish and lame. And the mini itself is way smaller than current models... And his rules are outdated too, he needs a total overhaul badly.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Dreadnoughts.

The Grey Knight Dreadknight should've been the final proof that GW now has the technology and material to make proper walkers, even for Space Marines.

Those stupid "Mr. Strong" style washing machines on stumpy legs need to go the way of the Dodo. Fast.

Are you trolling?Dreadknight and proper should not be in the same sentence.

Any model that is or was in metal (Finecast) pretty much needs to be redone. They're very two-dimensional and often come of as static and boring when compared to the other kits.

Orks could use new buggies, wartrakks and actually getting models for half their HQ'S! Maybe some new Big Gunz. Other than that they are pretty good.

DE are mostly good. New Drahzar please, and again some HQ's would be nice..

Daemons need GD, because the existing ones are just sad. Ku'gath and Skarbrand, new Fleshhounds and Beasts of Nurgle. New furies FFS! The existing ones are butt ugly.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Any model that is or was in metal (Finecast) pretty much needs to be redone. They're very two-dimensional and often come of as static and boring when compared to the other kits.

Not all of them, but the bulk of them i'd agree with. Especially the older casts.

Some of the newer Finecast/Metal scultps are a lot more dynamic, such as Lelith, the Lhamean and the Incubi from the DE range.

Some of the older metal sculpts still have an awesomeness to them also. Zagstrukk, for example, is a very active sculpt, which just radiates badass. PITA to put together, but awesome.

Da krimson barun wrote:
Are you trolling?Dreadknight and proper should not be in the same sentence.

Obviously the Dreadknight looks stupid from an aesthetic point of view, but it does establish that GW has the technical ability to make that kind of complex kit now (and then the Riptide/Wraithknight confirm it).

the C:SM Terminator Captain is on my short list... Sicarus wouldn't be bad either...

So. Many. Characters. Like, dozens of characters need new models.

SoB. Obliterators. Havocs. Cult troops. Bikes, both Eldar, SM, and CSM. Rough Riders. Ogryns. Ork Warbuggies and Wartrakks. Big Guns. Greater Daemons. Furies. Chaos Space Marines. Chaos Terminators. Storm Troopers. Necron Warriors. Beasts of Nurgle. Catachans. Vostroyans. Mordians. Tallarns. Techpriests and Techmarines. Pariahs. (I want them back!) Deffkoptas. Biovores. Spore Mines. Termagants. Kroot. Vespid. All Aspect Warriors.

To name a couple.

Sisters of Battle as a whole. I know some people say "Their bolters are fine" but.. I'd rather they have the standard Imperial boltgun except much, much more ornate.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
So. Many. Characters. Like, dozens of characters need new models.

SoB. Obliterators. Havocs. Cult troops. Bikes, both Eldar, SM, and CSM. Rough Riders. Ogryns. Ork Warbuggies and Wartrakks. Big Guns. Greater Daemons. Furies. Chaos Space Marines. Chaos Terminators. Storm Troopers. Necron Warriors. Beasts of Nurgle. Catachans. Vostroyans. Mordians. Tallarns. Techpriests and Techmarines. Pariahs. (I want them back!) Deffkoptas. Biovores. Spore Mines. Termagants. Kroot. Vespid. All Aspect Warriors.

To name a couple.

That looks like pretty much my list of "everything that is or was metal (was meaning it's Finecast now)".


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Sisters of Battle as a whole. I know some people say "Their bolters are fine" but.. I'd rather they have the standard Imperial boltgun except much, much more ornate.

The models are okay. Not GREAT, just okay. I noticed the other day that the face piece on the helmet isn't really symmetrical on at least one of the model types which threw me off a little.

I've taken to aiming to a table top standard with mine because of it. I just don't feel motivated to paint a couple hundred models to a high standard when there are all this little things about them that bug me.

Love the aesthetic, but only tolerate the models.

I don't even play sisters, but looking at their line of metal models that are just plain bad I feel bad for sisters players.

This off-topic, but i want guards-WOMEN... For variance and stuff, i'm sick of sausage fest tidal waves

 Blacksails wrote:


On topic, the IG stormtrooper models are pretty awful. The Kasrkin are pretty good, but the basic stormtrooper metal model just looks awful.

Take. That. Back.


They only need a plastic kit.

Catachans, Warbuggies/Trakkz and all of the Phoenix Lords.

 Banzaimash wrote:
Catachans, Warbuggies/Trakkz and all of the Phoenix Lords.

While I would agree wholeheartedly with the first two... what's wrong with the Phoenix Lords?

With the exception of Jain Zar being rather top-heavy, they're all pretty awesome sculpts. While there are some special characters that have been bypassed by the rest of their range (Looking at you, Abaddon!) the Phoenix Lords have aged rather well.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:


On topic, the IG stormtrooper models are pretty awful. The Kasrkin are pretty good, but the basic stormtrooper metal model just looks awful.

Take. That. Back.


They only need a plastic kit.

You think this



is a good sculpt? I mean, even just compared to the Kasrkin, I can't find a reason to ever buy them.

But I will not retract my statement!

Okay, but we can all agree the Rough Rider model needs some serious updating in the IG range.

SoB, indeed.

The Greater Daemons have been neglected for too long.

CSM squad deserves the care given to their loyalist counterparts. I don't expect DV Chosen level models for these guys, but give us something! Come to think of it, give us a DV-like Chosen box in the meantime

Obliterators. Oh, how I hate those models.

 Blacksails wrote:


Okay, but we can all agree the Rough Rider model needs some serious updating in the IG range.

That we can, and I only said the other thing because I spent my last week painting my Stormies. Also, I think they look more elite than the Kasrkin because they have a lot more gear on e'm Kasrkins look kinda naked.

Well, depends on how many grenades you need! Seriously, sarge has 5 just on his front. I dread to know how many he has elsewhere on his body.

Also, the guy on the bottom right has a derpy face. Something about him just feels off.

Don't have the sarge since I bought a 2nd hand random bunch of them, but the regular guys are anything to go by, he's got at least 3 smokes on this back pack of his.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Don't have the sarge since I bought a 2nd hand random bunch of them, but the regular guys are anything to go by, he's got at least 3 smokes on this back pack of his.

I'm...not even mad. That's just amazing.

Alright, well you've convinced me that the stormtroopers can stay if they become some sort of non-metal product.

I'll pass it along to the brass at GW.

Smoke grenades, that is

Probably has 2-3 Kraks hidden, too.

 Blacksails wrote:
Also, the guy on the bottom right has a derpy face. Something about him just feels off.

Every one of the guys have a derpy face. And those that have masks, have a very beaky one.

Also, seconding Ork Big Gunz. Wagon Wheels.

Given that Orks have kind of a WW1/WW2 tech vibe wagon wheels aren't unreasonable.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=world+war+1+artillery+pics&qpvt=world+war+1+artillery+pics&FORM=IGRE

The sculpts are a bit uninspiring though.

Eldar support platforms went from gakky metal to awesome plastic, so i'm hoping the ork ones do too.

 insaniak wrote:

 Banzaimash wrote:
Catachans, Warbuggies/Trakkz and all of the Phoenix Lords.

While I would agree wholeheartedly with the first two... what's wrong with the Phoenix Lords?

With the exception of Jain Zar being rather top-heavy, they're all pretty awesome sculpts. While there are some special characters that have been bypassed by the rest of their range (Looking at you, Abaddon!) the Phoenix Lords have aged rather well.

They are all two-dimensional. I do not like two-dimensional.

Also, a character with a helmet as tall as his body does not look plausible in the slightest.

That, is why they need fixing.

Except Maugan Ra. I love Maugan Ra.

 Ascalam wrote:
Given that Orks have kind of a WW1/WW2 tech vibe wagon wheels aren't unreasonable.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=world+war+1+artillery+pics&qpvt=world+war+1+artillery+pics&FORM=IGRE

The sculpts are a bit uninspiring though.

Eldar support platforms went from gakky metal to awesome plastic, so i'm hoping the ork ones do too.

Personally, I took forgeworld big gunz and put them on scratchbuilt trailers, with wheels from bikers, and hitches from the old trukk. The idea is, the trukks can pull the heavy artillery, just like the WWI/II artillery, or they have the grots push it! And also, the wheels look like all of the (modern, non-wagon) Ork wheels since 3rd edition. You could do something similar with the GW gunz.

Sounds pretty cool.

I wish i had the cash for all the FW ork goodies i would want...

But then if i had that kind of money i would just buy FW itself..

 Ascalam wrote:
Sounds pretty cool.

I wish i had the cash for all the FW ork goodies i would want...

But then if i had that kind of money i would just buy FW itself..

Luckily, in this case, the FW big gunz cost less (even with conversion rates) than the GW gunz, which are a whopping $30. I wish the same could be said about anything else.

Sadly I'm long since stocked on big gunz, so will have to find a way to justify overbuying them rather than expanding my other armies.

Eldar jetbikes. They're too static and with no posability in the riders. The DE ones show that they can look dynamic.

Tau Crisis Suits

Tau Sniper Drone squad

Lots of the older Space Wolf models

Thunderfire cannon

 Brother SRM wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
Eldar jetbikes
Eldar Warp spiders.

They updated the Wraithguard after 20-odd years.
Time to do the rest.

I just read an old White Dwarf from 1996 featuring the new plastic Eldar Jetbike. Kind of puts things into perspective when there's still a model that's a regular fixture of some armies that's older than many of the people who play this game.

More than 50% of the 1994 codex is till in production(just Fine Cast now). Not to mention the old Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, and Striking Scorpions form the 1994 codex still look decent.

 Blacksails wrote:

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
a great example of one dimensional just standing there chainsword in one hand and bolt pistol in the other at each side legs aprt not much action at all

Is your keyboard missing commas, periods, or any punctuation?

On topic, the IG stormtrooper models are pretty awful. The Kasrkin are pretty good, but the basic stormtrooper metal model just looks awful.

Yeah, I agree, but I think thats more because no one freaking uses them so there is no demand. They are amazingly over priced for what you get. Veterans are better point for point.

I agree with most of the suggestions I've seen, with Eldar and Chaos in particular needing *a lot* of love. Most of their core range is ancient and mediocre at best.

I'd like to add that pretty much all the 1st generation plastics need re-doing, their proprotions are poor, detail is lacking, and the kits often come with few bits. Cadians, most of the old marine kits, catachans, CSM and so on.

I'd love to see SoB and Steel Legion plastics. The metal ones look great despite their old age, but metal is kind of a pain to paint and of course the number of different poses are very limited. And well, the high prices.

There are plenty of models listed here that I don't agree with needing a re-do, but it's all subjective. Still, one the whole the GW model range has strangely few miniatures posed for "action." I should really model a marine and a terminator in 3D one of these days just to see what kind of funky poses I could come up with

Eldar Jet bikes. When I was looking at making an Eldar force to ally with Tau and Dark Eldar, I figured faster troops was something Tau lacked. In the end I didn't do it as I disliked the models.

Mostly its the way the rider is positioned and the helmet, it lacks the same look of speed as the reaver jet bikes have.

Again, but Crisis suits really need to be redone. If they made them more like the commander suit that would be amazing.

 R3YNO wrote:
Eldar Jet bikes. When I was looking at making an Eldar force to ally with Tau and Dark Eldar, I figured faster troops was something Tau lacked. In the end I didn't do it as I disliked the models.

Mostly its the way the rider is positioned and the helmet, it lacks the same look of speed as the reaver jet bikes have.

Games day 2007 (I think) had this sculpt on display for the jetbike which I got really excited about:
But I'm pretty sure they changed it and used it for the reaver jetbike.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Again, but Crisis suits really need to be redone. If they made them more like the commander suit that would be amazing.

 R3YNO wrote:
Eldar Jet bikes. When I was looking at making an Eldar force to ally with Tau and Dark Eldar, I figured faster troops was something Tau lacked. In the end I didn't do it as I disliked the models.

Mostly its the way the rider is positioned and the helmet, it lacks the same look of speed as the reaver jet bikes have.

Games day 2007 (I think) had this sculpt on display for the jetbike which I got really excited about:
But I'm pretty sure they changed it and used it for the reaver jetbike.

You can actually buy that model from a russian seller on ebay if you want to spend 15 bucks a pop plus the international shipping

im agree with most of the suggestions dont agree with necron warriors though as they are good sculpts, you can get alot of different poses (granted simiar but still) and they show how low in rank they are due to their small size compared to immortals etc// i also love the fact they look quite weak yet a unit of just 5 can glance a landraider to death,

also fiends of slaanesh and beasts of nurgle need re-doing to

For my two armies I would go with:

CSM - Special characters (Abbadon especially)
Cult troops (all of them except berzerkers as they are all plastic which the others need to be)
Dreadnoughts (or Helbrutes now)
Basic CSM - I like the kit as it has quite a lot of options but it could do with a facelift to look more like the DV chosen and raptors
Havocs - plastic kit would be nice
Obliterators/Mutilators - plastic kit like the centurions (but not as dumb looking)

Eldar

Updated phoenix lords
Plastic aspect warriors (updated models too especially for warp spiders)
New jetbikes with shuriken cannons included in the kit

Eldar Guardians. I still play with classic angry toasters because I cannot abide the anodyne current design. Where are their chainmail under the plates and their glam-punk haircuts?
So, GW, redo Guardians and go back to chainmail and crazy hair. Just keep the new shuriken catapults. I'm not trolling, I'm serious.

x13rads wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Again, but Crisis suits really need to be redone. If they made them more like the commander suit that would be amazing.

 R3YNO wrote:
Eldar Jet bikes. When I was looking at making an Eldar force to ally with Tau and Dark Eldar, I figured faster troops was something Tau lacked. In the end I didn't do it as I disliked the models.

Mostly its the way the rider is positioned and the helmet, it lacks the same look of speed as the reaver jet bikes have.

Games day 2007 (I think) had this sculpt on display for the jetbike which I got really excited about:
But I'm pretty sure they changed it and used it for the reaver jetbike.

You can actually buy that model from a russian seller on ebay if you want to spend 15 bucks a pop plus the international shipping

Hmm.. I wonder how much I can sell my brother for?

Mephiston needs re-doing aswell

 ThunderFury 2575 wrote:
This off-topic, but i want guards-WOMEN... For variance and stuff, i'm sick of sausage fest tidal waves

THIS. The same with Fire Warriors (You know, for the Shas'ui-face). How come that only the Dark Eldar and the Eldar get to have both men and women in their armies?

 Brother SRM wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
Eldar jetbikes
Eldar Warp spiders.

They updated the Wraithguard after 20-odd years.
Time to do the rest.

I just read an old White Dwarf from 1996 featuring the new plastic Eldar Jetbike. Kind of puts things into perspective when there's still a model that's a regular fixture of some armies that's older than many of the people who play this game.

I've been watching Star Trek: TNG episodes a lot lately. Some of them are still good. I'm 25, and the show started the year before I was born.

To quote LaForge: "Just because something's old doesn't mean you throw it away."

 Zweischneid wrote:
Dreadnoughts.

The Grey Knight Dreadknight should've been the final proof that GW now has the technology and material to make proper walkers, even for Space Marines.

Those stupid "Mr. Strong" style washing machines on stumpy legs need to go the way of the Dodo. Fast.

So now, everything in 40k has to make sense?

I object such aproach, how about leaving the ridiculous walking coffin be instead of making SF robot nr. 2345994 with a gothic flavor?

I think Khorne Berzerkers and plague marines would be nice...And a box for every cult troop rather than buying thousand son and noise marine bitz, that kind of stuff pisses me off no end

Phoenix Lords, Eldar Jetbikes, Tanith Scouts, Dreadnaughts, and Warp Spiders

Ork Buggies a new weirdboy hate that model, and Just having th Assault on Black reach Deftcoptas would be sweet.

 Blacksails wrote:
Well, depends on how many grenades you need! Seriously, sarge has 5 just on his front. I dread to know how many he has elsewhere on his body.

Also, the guy on the bottom right has a derpy face. Something about him just feels off.

Sarge also has a banolier of shotgun shells, despite carrying a las pistol.

Maybe they're really miniature shot glasses with whiskey?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Well, depends on how many grenades you need! Seriously, sarge has 5 just on his front. I dread to know how many he has elsewhere on his body.

Also, the guy on the bottom right has a derpy face. Something about him just feels off.

Sarge also has a banolier of shotgun shells, despite carrying a las pistol.

Maybe they're really miniature shot glasses with whiskey?

Killed a Heretic? Take a shot!

I would like to see better Catachan infantry box. The command squad box is great. With the recent releases of the new SM tactical squad and other kits, it could have everything needed for a vet squad (3 of each special weapon).

Eldar Jetbikes: HONESTLY, this is going on 10 years without a cosmetic update. Where the hell is the update for these guys?? They dont even use the current guardian model for the bodies.

Genestealers: I think these are the 2nd oldest models in the game. Are these still 3rd models? Sad that the OLD space hulk genestealers both look better and are the only way to get more than 1 pose.

Eldar Swooping Hawks: These models look pretty demented. Everyone is on their toes. I know they are supposed to be flying, but then put them on flying bases. They look like they are prancing.

Ogryns: A bit of a cosmetic update is in order for these guys. Old as heck, ugly, and very static poses.

 zephoid wrote:

Eldar Jetbikes: HONESTLY, this is going on 10 years without a cosmetic update. Where the hell is the update for these guys?? They dont even use the current guardian model for the bodies.

Sisters say hi from 1997.

 zephoid wrote:



Genestealers: I think these are the 2nd oldest models in the game. Are these still 3rd models?

buggy and wartrakk say hi from 2nd.

I would love to see them revamp the Tau Crisis suit. Almost all of the concept designs look infinitely better than it.

You can make them look good with a lot of converting, but out of the box they sure don't feel like a technical marvel or something you'd want to go to war in.

Sisters- Good concept but clearly showing their age and no plastics is a no go.
CSM- They started utterly uninspired and nowadays look like a bad joke next to DV Chosen or even the new sm box.
Eldar Bikers- Old, just old and ugly. Even the best paintjob can't realy help them anymore.
Greater Daemons- The 80s are over. If GW charges lots of money for a bunch of metal, then they better deliver quality. All but the at least bearable Lord of Change cause eyecancer.
Firewarriors- I like the concept and tbh, i like the miniatures despite their advanced age. What i don't like is the shockingly bad cast quality i have experienced with them.

Baron Sathonyx, Asdrubael Vect, Lady Malys, Duke Sliscus, Kheradruakh, Voidraven Bomber all need doing PERIOD. Drazhar needs a re-do, and a box of poseable plastic Grotesques would be a real boon.

As for CSM, definitely new troops, and new tanks! I realize the utility of GW being able to throw a crappy spike sprue in the box, but its not exactly satisfying from an aesthetic perspective.

#1 without question should be IG Rough Riders.



#2 should be the Ork Wartrakk/Wargbuggy.


While we still have a few old characters running around, and some of the Eldar range is pretty old, nothing is stuck in a different era like these models.


Regarding the actual "Stormtrooper" models, I quite like the masked models, it's the ones with faces that I really don't like.

 Roberkhan wrote:
Eldar Guardians. I still play with classic angry toasters because I cannot abide the anodyne current design. Where are their chainmail under the plates and their glam-punk haircuts?
So, GW, redo Guardians and go back to chainmail and crazy hair. Just keep the new shuriken catapults. I'm not trolling, I'm serious.

Could I disagree more? Hmm...no. Not really.
Also, yes to the guy that said female IG and Tau. Absolutely. Not a lot, just a sprinkling or so to reflect the fluff.

Seriously GW, the 80's are over. That's more hair that Def Leapord and White Snake combined. They went full hair metal. Never go full hair metal.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Roberkhan wrote:
Eldar Guardians. I still play with classic angry toasters because I cannot abide the anodyne current design. Where are their chainmail under the plates and their glam-punk haircuts?
So, GW, redo Guardians and go back to chainmail and crazy hair. Just keep the new shuriken catapults. I'm not trolling, I'm serious.

Could I disagree more? Hmm...no. Not really.
Also, yes to the guy that said female IG and Tau. Absolutely. Not a lot, just a sprinkling or so to reflect the fluff.

Seriously GW, the 80's are over. That's more hair that Def Leapord and White Snake combined. They went full hair metal. Never go full hair metal.

Thanks! People tend to look annoyed in my general direction when I mention it.

 Blacksails wrote:


On topic, the IG stormtrooper models are pretty awful. The Kasrkin are pretty good, but the basic stormtrooper metal model just looks awful.

Heretic!

 Las wrote:

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On topic, the IG stormtrooper models are pretty awful. The Kasrkin are pretty good, but the basic stormtrooper metal model just looks awful.

Heretic!

You forgot to BLAM him.So I'll kill both of you.*BLAM*BLAM*DOUBLE HERESY!*BLAM*.
Teh empra protects.

 zephoid wrote:


Genestealers: I think these are the 2nd oldest models in the game. Are these still 3rd models?.

Actually pantstealers are from 4th edition.Half the eldar and the entire SOB ranges are older then them.So you were a LITTLE off...By about 80ish minis.

I think the priority would be to do all the models that are missing, so that every unit has a model.

After that, Drazhar rather wants a new sculpt.

XV8's and Fire Warriors. FW kit is horrid IMO

What's wrong with fire warriors?

 Blacksails wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:


On topic, the IG stormtrooper models are pretty awful. The Kasrkin are pretty good, but the basic stormtrooper metal model just looks awful.

Take. That. Back.


They only need a plastic kit.

You think this



is a good sculpt? I mean, even just compared to the Kasrkin, I can't find a reason to ever buy them.

But I will not retract my statement!

Okay, but we can all agree the Rough Rider model needs some serious updating in the IG range.

The open faced models are quite horrible, the closed mask ones though I love. They could use some tweaks, but overall I still think they're some of GW's better models. Remove a few grenades, the bandoleers, and a few other minor tweaks and you have a winner.

Da krimson barun wrote:
What's wrong with fire warriors?

Awful cast quality, at least in the boxes i had. About 50% had some serious ( and for me completely unaceptable) flaws, ecspecialy on the leg armour.

I like them hellguns. : D

They look like they could do some damage.

I'm not sure why they put the co-axial laspistols- I mean, targeters, on the far side of the gun instead of on top.

Maybe so they could actually be seen, unlike my Sororitas' bolter-scopes which are on the side of the bolter facing the Sister herself.

Blood Angel Sanguinary Priest - they are supposed to have Blood Chalices according to the codex, but only Corbulo has one. Plus it would be nice to have a box set of 3 with some of the options they can take, instead of a single model with no options.

 phatonic wrote:
You forgot the old warbuggy orks got... it's one of the oldest.. if not THE oldest still in the shop.

And it's still effin boss!

Random rant on guard models and I would like to see them re-done. Catachans and cadians are "cut" differently at the waist. To mix the top and bottom halves, you either end up with no belt and looking funny or 2 belts and looking funny.

 Pouncey wrote:
I like them hellguns. : D

They look like they could do some damage.

I'm not sure why they put the co-axial laspistols- I mean, targeters, on the far side of the gun instead of on top.

Maybe so they could actually be seen, unlike my Sororitas' bolter-scopes which are on the side of the bolter facing the Sister herself.

Co-axial lasgun. Also known as a laser sight.

Phoenix Lords...and desperately so.

Azreal and Ezekiel need to be updated. GW, how are you going to release the new Dark Angels and not include the Grandmaster? Plus, I do not like the Ezekiel model....

I think necron scarabs could use a new model aswell

SOB, because without new models, GW can use the excuse that the existing molds wore out to discontinue the army.

Eldar Exarchs and jetbikes and HOW DID GW NOT ALREADY DO THIS? They just got a shiny new codex a few months back, with a stonking great new big plastic centerpiece model, and Eldar players still have to make due with static-posed SCs that have hats bigger than a Space Marine's entire body?

I'm not even an Eldar player and I'm honked off at this.

Hey, Geedubs... instead of wasting time making conceptually goofy sculpts like Mr. Space Marine Inside a Space Marine (Marineception?) how about re-sculpting some of the absolute dogs in your Special Character line? Or some of these models that are older than many of your players? Don't worry about us Marine players... we will manage without Centurions somehow.

As a 15+ year veteran, I honestly can't wrap my head around how GW can update all sorts of models but leaves the 2nd ed Eldar Jetbikes alone. My god, just recut the sprue similar to like they did with the Space Marine Bikes. Keep the exact same jetbike chassis, but add a rider that looks like a modern Guardian. I did that conversion to all of mine using the original legs and arms, and I think they look absolutely great.

Really how long are the elfdar going to go without getting the fundamentals rebuilt? I think the rise of the plastic aspects will concur with the ability to take more of them as troops choices.

Also, Mephiston.