If Vikings were here today, the sounding of a distinctive horn in York would have created chaos.
The ancient instrument, blown last night, signalled exactly 100 days until the end of the world, according to Norse mythology.
Legend has it that the Norse God, Heimdallr, would blow the mythical Gjallerhorn to warn of the Viking apocalypse, also known as 'Ragnarok'. Ragnarok, which translates to ‘Doom of the Gods’, is due to be preceded by the winter of winters.
Vikings believed, prior to the apocalypse, three freezing winters would follow each other with no summers in between.
All morality would disappear and fights would break out all over the world, signalling the beginning of the end.
The wolf Skoll would devour the sun, and his brother Hati would eat the moon, causing stars to vanish from the sky and the Earth to be thrown into eternal darkness.
Norse mythology experts have calculated that Vikings believed this will take place on February 22, 2014.
On this day, the god Odin will be killed by the wolf Fenrir and the other ‘creator’ gods.
There will be huge earthquakes, the sea will rear up and the soil and the sky will be stained with poison.
The sound of the horn is supposed to call the sons of Odin to the battlefield, where Odin will ultimately be killed.
After his death, the Earth was foretold to sink into the sea, paving the way for a new utopian world with endless supplies.
Danielle Daglan from the Norvik Viking Centre told MailOnline that a number of recent events spoken about in the legends of Ragnarok led them to believe that the end of the world may well be imminent.
The legend states that ‘the first to notice shall be man, brother will fight brother and all the boundaries that exist shall crumble.’
‘The idea that “boundaries that exist shall crumble” could be said to be about the Internet age, where you can communicate with millions of people simultaneously around the world thanks to the global rise of social media,’ said Ms Daglan.
Viking tradition also believes that a vast winter will appear before the apocalypse.
‘There are predictions that we are heading into a mini-ice age thanks to a fall in solar flare activity - what is a mini-ice age but several winters rolled into one?’ said Ms Daglan.
Another part of the legend claims that the Midgard Serpent, named Jormungand, shall free itself from its tail and rise up from the ocean.
Ms Dagland points to the two huge fish which appeared on a beach in California last month.
The giant oarfish were dead when they washed up on land, and some scientists believe they came ashore to die because they are ‘in distress’.
‘Traditionally, the Viking festival of Jolablot marked the end of the winter - if this winter truly does not end, then that feast may be given over to Ragnarok instead,’ said Ms Dagland.
The Jorvik Viking Centre predicted that Ragnarok would occur on 22 February because this is the end of the feast of Jolablot.
While not a scientific conclusion, they claim that Vikings loved to feast and wouldn't want to miss this event. For this reason, they argue that Vikings would believe the world would end in 100 days.
The end of the world is coincidently the start of the grand finale of the Viking festival in York.
‘Following a study published in 2010 that bearded men are more trustworthy than those without, we’re also looking for fantastic displays of facial hair, so that we can identify those with the potential to take us into the brave new world that is foretold to follow Ragnarok,’ said Danielle Daglan director of the JORVIK Viking Festival.
‘In the last couple of years, we’ve had predictions of the Mayan apocalypse, which passed without incident, and numerous other dates where the end of the world has been pencilled in by seers, fortune tellers and visionaries,’ she added.
‘But the sound of the horn is possibly the best indicator yet that the Viking version of the end of the world really will happen on 22 February next year.’
Ahhh. The chance to do battle with my brothers who have gone to join the hallowed ranks of the Einherjar. 100 days till the end begins. Time enough to prepare my weapons and purify my body for the end times. May Freyja find room for me in her company as the sons of Odin march to the final war!
I'm with Az on this. I prefer not to work up a sweat on close combat. My M4/AR15 will do nicely for a bit before I have to go 9mm. I be the Arse though that would shoot the rear guys and work my up to last guy standing and then have him turn around....
My experience from Too Human tells me that the best weapon for fighting the forces of Ragnarok are cyborgs with swords pretending to be Norse gods to give hope to humanity... This plan is gonna be expensive.
LordofHats wrote: My experience from Too Human tells me that the best weapon for fighting the forces of Ragnarok are cyborgs with swords pretending to be Norse gods to give hope to humanity... This plan is gonna be expensive.
Yeah but whoever is controlling those Norse gods has to deal with possibly the worst controller configuration in the history of controller configurations, so we are just boned. They'll give up and throw the controller at the wall before storming off, leaving the rest of us to our deaths.
LordofHats wrote: My experience from Too Human tells me that the best weapon for fighting the forces of Ragnarok are cyborgs with swords pretending to be Norse gods to give hope to humanity... This plan is gonna be expensive.
Yeah but whoever is controlling those Norse gods has to deal with possibly the worst controller configuration in the history of controller configurations, so we are just boned. They'll give up and throw the controller at the wall before storming off, leaving the rest of us to our deaths.
They'll have to watch the annoyingly long death cut scene every time too. Such a thing would be torture in a civilized society...
hotsauceman1 wrote: Y'know, If anything I would like the viking en of the world.
Very strange as I'm thinking thats about max TBone's remaining timeline. TBone standing on the prow of an astral longboat barking his way to battle appears quite appropriate.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Y'know, If anything I would like the viking en of the world.
Very strange as I'm thinking thats about max TBone's remaining timeline. TBone standing on the prow of an astral longboat barking his way to battle appears quite appropriate.
Full viking funeral - complete with longboat and fire. It would be the best send-off ever!
I was saddened to realize this is possibly even more spurious than the Mayan apocalypse. Nevertheless, I shall enjoy exhorting those around me to push on until the Odinson falls to the venom of the Midgard Serpent.
Legend has it that the Norse God, Heimdallr, would blow the mythical Gjallerhorn to warn of the Viking apocalypse, also known as 'Ragnarok'. Ragnarok, which translates to ‘Doom of the Gods’, is due to be preceded by the winter of winters.
Thats a relief. Keep calm and carry on folks. Its not Heimdall and his mythical horn, its just some guy in a fancy dress costume.
Legend has it that the Norse God, Heimdallr, would blow the mythical Gjallerhorn to warn of the Viking apocalypse, also known as 'Ragnarok'. Ragnarok, which translates to ‘Doom of the Gods’, is due to be preceded by the winter of winters.
Thats a relief. Keep calm and carry on folks. Its not Heimdall and his mythical horn, its just some guy in a fancy dress costume.
TheCustomLime wrote: If I don't believe in Viking mythology, will it not happen to me?
The Norns have fated us all, and our deaths are already spun in their threads. To the Norse, it is simply our job to live up to the fate chosen for us, even if it is to be a nonbeliever.
Really they called you a fool? The first guy who talked gak called me a violent drunk looking for religious justification, so I glassed him. Everyone else just said they respected my religious preference after that.
Ah, at long last. What better way to find our end than fighting side by side with the Gods against the forces of darkness? If some of you get earlier onto the battlefield than me, keep some Frost Giants for me, don't want to miss the fun. And dibs on a brunette Valkyrie.
TheCustomLime wrote: If I don't believe in Viking mythology, will it not happen to me?
You will come into the care of my sister Hel, as all who die come to Helheimr no matter their beliefs. Only those who met their end standing and proud shall be called to Valhala or Sessrúmnir. Sorry, but no exception for our little non-norse friends.
Legend has it that the Norse God, Heimdallr, would blow the mythical Gjallerhorn to warn of the Viking apocalypse, also known as 'Ragnarok'. Ragnarok, which translates to ‘Doom of the Gods’, is due to be preceded by the winter of winters.
Thats a relief. Keep calm and carry on folks. Its not Heimdall and his mythical horn, its just some guy in a fancy dress costume.
For Frost Giants I have Thermite Grenades. Pull pin. Yell "catch" and watch the fun....scanty clad Scandinavian women eh......tempted...but no...Bacchus of Wine and orgies
Im very confused. If jesus said not to worship other gods and one side of ragnarok is made up of pther gods does that mean jesus is on the serpents side?
Personally I know im ok for ragnarok , I sighned up GES as my body guard.
TheCustomLime wrote: If I don't believe in Viking mythology, will it not happen to me?
It won't happen to any of us! It's a heap of crap! Last year it was meant to end because the Azteces said so! And we're still here..
But Vikings are so much more awesome than Aztecs! That has to count for something!
Damn straight! Vikings have epic beards of awesomeness, mead and busty Valkyries!
I am now much more focused when it comes to my gym training: I need the extra strength to be able to hold 2 battle axes and cleave the skulls of my enemies!
TheCustomLime wrote: If I don't believe in Viking mythology, will it not happen to me?
It won't happen to any of us! It's a heap of crap! Last year it was meant to end because the Azteces said so! And we're still here..
Well somebody doesn't have a sense of humor. I hope that saves you when a frost giant crushes in your skull. You can righteously tell him he's a load of crap and not real while he's chomping on your bones.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Well, on the one hand, the article did get one thing about fighting "around the world" right: Black Friday is just around the corner
Ahem... Black Freya's Day. Mayans might have set up a calendar, but Vikings named our weekdays!
In 98 days now, there will be a hairy, drunken party across much of the world as every group of Viking enthusiasts attempts to simulate Valhalla on earth. The ER staffs will weep, the barkeeps will rejoice, and every remotely comely creature near these parties will develop a deep and abiding hatred of the question 'Are you a Valkyrie? Take me to Valhalla!".
In the lead up, someone will compile a large list of Norse pick up lines.
kronk wrote: Zombie Vikings, Vampire Vikings, Skeleton Vikings, or Minnesota Vikings? Are they coming for our brains, our blood, our skin, or our two year olds?
If the MN Vikings are involved; we are safe. They never win.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Well, on the one hand, the article did get one thing about fighting "around the world" right: Black Friday is just around the corner
Ahem... Black Freya's Day. Mayans might have set up a calendar, but Vikings named our weekdays!
In 98 days now, there will be a hairy, drunken party across much of the world as every group of Viking enthusiasts attempts to simulate Valhalla on earth. The ER staffs will weep, the barkeeps will rejoice, and every remotely comely creature near these parties will develop a deep and abiding hatred of the question 'Are you a Valkyrie? Take me to Valhalla!".
In the lead up, someone will compile a large list of Norse pick up lines.
"Your voice is as sweet as the music of Folkvang, and your lips as sweet as honey. Now let's take this party up to my sleep-steed." (That's a bed, if you don't grok kennings)
TheCustomLime wrote: If I don't believe in Viking mythology, will it not happen to me?
It won't happen to any of us! It's a heap of crap! Last year it was meant to end because the Azteces said so! And we're still here..
Well somebody doesn't have a sense of humor. I hope that saves you when a frost giant crushes in your skull. You can righteously tell him he's a load of crap and not real while he's chomping on your bones.
I can't help it!! I like bosting about the truth!
See you all on the 23/2/2014
TheCustomLime wrote: If I don't believe in Viking mythology, will it not happen to me?
It won't happen to any of us! It's a heap of crap! Last year it was meant to end because the Azteces said so! And we're still here..
Well somebody doesn't have a sense of humor. I hope that saves you when a frost giant crushes in your skull. You can righteously tell him he's a load of crap and not real while he's chomping on your bones.
I can't help it!! I like bosting about the truth!
See you all on the 23/2/2014
I mean I am not a crazy scholar or nothing, but I've never seen anything about a specific time or year when Ragnarok is set; so really this is probably just some guys trying to drum up interest and/or have some fun. Ragnarok will happen when it happens, no use trying to force the hand of fate. Really, quite different than those Mayan jerks - they took themselves way too seriously.
Just enjoy the fun and keep your axe sharp, because you never know when you'll need it.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: The true damage of Ragnorok will be to thousands of young women everyone, who would discover that Loki does not, in fact, look like Tom Hiddleston.
TheCustomLime wrote: If I don't believe in Viking mythology, will it not happen to me?
It won't happen to any of us! It's a heap of crap! Last year it was meant to end because the Azteces said so! And we're still here..
Well somebody doesn't have a sense of humor. I hope that saves you when a frost giant crushes in your skull. You can righteously tell him he's a load of crap and not real while he's chomping on your bones.
I can't help it!! I like bosting about the truth!
See you all on the 23/2/2014
I mean I am not a crazy scholar or nothing, but I've never seen anything about a specific time or year when Ragnarok is set; so really this is probably just some guys trying to drum up interest and/or have some fun. Ragnarok will happen when it happens, no use trying to force the hand of fate. Really, quite different than those Mayan jerks - they took themselves way too seriously.
Just enjoy the fun and keep your axe sharp, because you never know when you'll need it.
Yeah, only the norns know when Ragnarök will happen and why bother the old hags with useless questions about fate & future? Just live your life and when it comes, it comes. Just make sure your sword is at hand and you have a nice shield maiden at your side.
On a related note, I found a perfect steed on which to ride to battle. Ok, it's just an irish wolfhound with a shoulder height of nearly 1m, who's back will break when I try to ride it, but it would be a cool sight for around 1min.
On a related note, I found a perfect steed on which to ride to battle. Ok, it's just an irish wolfhound with a shoulder height of nearly 1m, who's back will break when I try to ride it, but it would be a cool sight for around 1min.
Just get ten of them and built a chariot/sleigh. Or if budget is a concern, some rollerblades. All set.
No use of firearms on Ragnarök! Think about the children! There may not be enough Frost Giants for all of us and how shall the little ones get their hands bloody if you shoot them all at range? Remember, only when you are near enough to feel the cold, you can be sure that its a Frost Giant, not just a generic Giant, and only the frosty ones count.
Ah well, compromises have to be made, so everybody can have some fun. So the Frost Giants for the adults and the Unrighteous Dead for the kids. Sounds fair, I'm going to acquire a MG42 to complement my sword. Feuer frei! I would say.
I also hereby call dibs on Fenrir, that wolfpelt will make a good addition to my bedroom.
bad move mate... while easy to aim, it takes far too long to load. If you must have a ranged weapon, a Longbow, or one of the Mongolian recurve bows is where you want to be.
bad move mate... while easy to aim, it takes far too long to load. If you must have a ranged weapon, a Longbow, or one of the Mongolian recurve bows is where you want to be.
Not only that, when you are dealing with giants - crossbows and bows in general aren't going to do enough tissue damage to be worth while. Imagine you were fighting someone and he was 18" tall and firing toothpicks at you with the fire rate a crossbow can maintain. Sound very threatening?
bad move mate... while easy to aim, it takes far too long to load. If you must have a ranged weapon, a Longbow, or one of the Mongolian recurve bows is where you want to be.
Not only that, when you are dealing with giants - crossbows and bows in general aren't going to do enough tissue damage to be worth while. Imagine you were fighting someone and he was 18" tall and firing toothpicks at you with the fire rate a crossbow can maintain. Sound very threatening?
Well, if I'm a good enough shot, I should be able to fire a ladder of arrows with which to climb the giant's body, thus allowing me to reach his head, and deliver the killing blow in the proper manner (It's all good, I've done it on some video games before )
On a related note, I found a perfect steed on which to ride to battle. Ok, it's just an irish wolfhound with a shoulder height of nearly 1m, who's back will break when I try to ride it, but it would be a cool sight for around 1min.
Just get ten of them and built a chariot/sleigh. Or if budget is a concern, some rollerblades. All set.
Are wolfhounds used at all for sledging?
Usually you want broad shoulders over tall height. Then again, you could probably still get good speed. Dogs are pound for pound by far the best hauling animals there is.
bad move mate... while easy to aim, it takes far too long to load. If you must have a ranged weapon, a Longbow, or one of the Mongolian recurve bows is where you want to be.
Not only that, when you are dealing with giants - crossbows and bows in general aren't going to do enough tissue damage to be worth while. Imagine you were fighting someone and he was 18" tall and firing toothpicks at you with the fire rate a crossbow can maintain. Sound very threatening?
Dude, if that toothpick got the penetration and speed of a quarrel, then yes, it sounds absolutely terrifying.
Well, if I'm a good enough shot, I should be able to fire a ladder of arrows with which to climb the giant's body, thus allowing me to reach his head, and deliver the killing blow in the proper manner (It's all good, I've done it on some video games before )
Not as far as I know but they were bred to pull people of horses and eat them. I'm sure that could come in handy during Ragnarock.
The secret to dealing with ice giants is to fight them in the middle of a desert, slush giants are much less impressive.
Sadly we won't get to choose our terrain - it's the fields of Vigrid. On the plus side though - we will also be fighting Surtur and the spawn of Muspelheim who would probably be stronger in a desert.
Not as far as I know but they were bred to pull people of horses and eat them.
Wait, really? That is so utterly badass. And surprising too, since the wolfhounds I've seen have been some of the most well behaved animals ever.
Modern wolfhound
Englishman Captain George Augustus Graham is responsible with a few other breeders for reaffirming the dogs' existence. In 1879 he wrote: "It has been ascertained beyond all question that there are few specimens of the breed still left in Ireland and England to be considered Irish wolfhounds, though falling short of the requisite dimensions. This blood is now in my possession." Captain Graham devoted his life to ensuring the survival of the Irish wolfhound. Owing to the small numbers of surviving specimens outcrossing was used in the breeding programme. It is believed that Borzoi, Great Dane, Scottish Deerhound and English Mastiff dogs all played their part in Graham's creation of the dog we currently know. The famous English Mastiff Garnier's Lion was bred to the Deerhound Lufra, and their offspring Marquis enters Wolfhound pedigrees through his granddaughter Young Donagh. Graham included "a single outcross of Tibetan Wolf Dog".[28] This was long assumed to have been a Tibetan Mastiff. However, a photograph of "Wolf" shows a bearded, long-coated dog - what would now be called a "Tibetan Kyi Apso" or "dokhyi apso". In 1885 Captain Graham with other breeders founded the Irish Wolfhound Club, and the Breed Standard of Points to establish and agree the ideal to which breeders should aspire.
So yeah, not the originals, but still pretty awesome.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: And What if I aim for the eyes of said giant...and the throat.
Cute, is that was americans consider guns? Sounds like an airsoft to me. Well thank you for showing me an Alternative, but i keep my Donnerstock. I learned to hate her, i learned to love her, 12kg of Finest german engineering
Cute, is that was americans consider guns? Sounds like an airsoft to me. Well thank you for showing me an Alternative, but i keep my Donnerstock. I learned to hate her, i learned to love her, 12kg of Finest german engineering
No, the 240s are basically sidearms. This is what we consider a gun.
I doubt I can stand by a MG42. I wasn't even around nor was my father born...well he was born 1944...so all I know is what I read about the MG42. The 240B I know real well and proven itself in combat with me multiple of times. I go with what I know
Jihadin wrote: I doubt I can stand by a MG42. I wasn't even around nor was my father born...well he was born 1944...so all I know is what I read about the MG42. The 240B I know real well and proven itself in combat with me multiple of times. I go with what I know
I'm not gonna lie though, if I had to pick between an MG 42 and a 240B, I'd also go MG 42. The 240 is just a touch smoother on a couple of points, maybe, after a few extra decades of engineering - but a 240 tops out at what 950 rpm, and the mg 42 at 1500? Plus from everything I've heard the MG 42 swaps barrels faster. Since you're mostly going for suppressing fire with a machine gun; yeah.
- of course if given the option I'd stick with a 249 because I'm so much more familiar, plus ammo is lighter and easier to get.
More terrifying than for example the belt fed grenade launcher I linked earlier, or any of the other modern weapons others have brought up?
Ah, no, of course. But then again, I don't think that is as terrifying to an Ice Giant as, say, a good central heating system.
Sadly we won't get to choose our terrain - it's the fields of Vigrid. On the plus side though - we will also be fighting Surtur and the spawn of Muspelheim who would probably be stronger in a desert.
Jihadin wrote: I doubt I can stand by a MG42. I wasn't even around nor was my father born...well he was born 1944...so all I know is what I read about the MG42. The 240B I know real well and proven itself in combat with me multiple of times. I go with what I know
I'm not gonna lie though, if I had to pick between an MG 42 and a 240B, I'd also go MG 42. The 240 is just a touch smoother on a couple of points, maybe, after a few extra decades of engineering - but a 240 tops out at what 950 rpm, and the mg 42 at 1500? Plus from everything I've heard the MG 42 swaps barrels faster. Since you're mostly going for suppressing fire with a machine gun; yeah.
1500rpm standard, there are front legends that you could bring the baby up to 1800rpm with a special spring. But that would use up the barrel even faster, one of the reasons, the MG 3 was brought down to 1200rpm. And the barrel changes Really fast, just pull the sideplug, burn your hand and insert the new Barrel. With Training That goes in under 10sec and the extra rpm comes always handy.
And While you already go through your next drum, your loader can piss on the old barrel to get it. back to working temperature.
Or just use the HK121, that's the 21th Century Version of the 42
More terrifying than for example the belt fed grenade launcher I linked earlier, or any of the other modern weapons others have brought up?
Ah, no, of course. But then again, I don't think that is as terrifying to an Ice Giant as, say, a good central heating system.
Sadly we won't get to choose our terrain - it's the fields of Vigrid. On the plus side though - we will also be fighting Surtur and the spawn of Muspelheim who would probably be stronger in a desert.
Really, and is Vigrid a real place?
It rather has to be, if we are discussing Ragnarok. The point still being; we are fighting the denizens of Jotunheim and Muspelheim - a temperate clime would be to our advantage as it suits us better than any of our enemies.
More terrifying than for example the belt fed grenade launcher I linked earlier, or any of the other modern weapons others have brought up?
Ah, no, of course. But then again, I don't think that is as terrifying to an Ice Giant as, say, a good central heating system.
Sadly we won't get to choose our terrain - it's the fields of Vigrid. On the plus side though - we will also be fighting Surtur and the spawn of Muspelheim who would probably be stronger in a desert.
Really, and is Vigrid a real place?
It rather has to be, if we are discussing Ragnarok.
Ah, no, I was wondering if it was an actual location, just like Armageddon is the Mount Megiddo.
More terrifying than for example the belt fed grenade launcher I linked earlier, or any of the other modern weapons others have brought up?
Ah, no, of course. But then again, I don't think that is as terrifying to an Ice Giant as, say, a good central heating system.
Sadly we won't get to choose our terrain - it's the fields of Vigrid. On the plus side though - we will also be fighting Surtur and the spawn of Muspelheim who would probably be stronger in a desert.
Really, and is Vigrid a real place?
It rather has to be, if we are discussing Ragnarok.
Ah, no, I was wondering if it was an actual location, just like Armageddon is the Mount Megiddo.
No, it's a mythic place. It is not Really Known where Wigrid lies, just that it is a Great plain, where the Last Battle is fought.
More terrifying than for example the belt fed grenade launcher I linked earlier, or any of the other modern weapons others have brought up?
Ah, no, of course. But then again, I don't think that is as terrifying to an Ice Giant as, say, a good central heating system.
Sadly we won't get to choose our terrain - it's the fields of Vigrid. On the plus side though - we will also be fighting Surtur and the spawn of Muspelheim who would probably be stronger in a desert.
Really, and is Vigrid a real place?
It rather has to be, if we are discussing Ragnarok.
Ah, no, I was wondering if it was an actual location, just like Armageddon is the Mount Megiddo.
I always assumed it was a place spun out by the Norns as needed specifically for the battle - as far as I know it isn't attributed to a specific place. After all, we do have plenty of worlds to choose from.
Alfndrate wrote: I seriously feel like this is a religion I can get behind, KM, where do I sign up?
Look up Asatru kindreds in your surrounding area. Or just read a lot and dedicate yourself as a personal choice. Opening a farm might be a good idea, because the Gods do love the occasional animal sacrifice, and they don't mind too much if you eat it afterwards.
If you actually do want to check it out I recommend reading up a bit, as some of the more 'folkish' Asatru groups can have a bit of white-supremacy or racism - as opposed the 'universalist' outlook. This isn't saying that every folkish person is a neo nazi, but they do tend to be a bit exclusionary at least.
Pfft, amateurs. Everyone knows the best way to kill giants is to use a specially designed harness with built in grappling hooks to scale it and cut apart its neck with a pair of really sharp swords....
Alfndrate wrote: I seriously feel like this is a religion I can get behind, KM, where do I sign up?
Look up Asatru kindreds in your surrounding area. Or just read a lot and dedicate yourself as a personal choice. Opening a farm might be a good idea, because the Gods do love the occasional animal sacrifice, and they don't mind too much if you eat it afterwards.
If you actually do want to check it out I recommend reading up a bit, as some of the more 'folkish' Asatru groups can have a bit of white-supremacy or racism - as opposed the 'universalist' outlook. This isn't saying that every folkish person is a neo nazi, but they do tend to be a bit exclusionary at least.
pities2004 wrote: Well unlike most people I'm not crazy, the worlds not gonna end and Ragnarok isn't gonna happen.
However I am looking forward to a new season of Doomsday Preppers Valhalla edition
Anyone who climbs into a bunker to try and 'survive' Ragnarok is a feckless coward who should be strung up, but everyone with an ounce of grit will be busy.
