Brett LoGiurato wrote:MSNBC Host Apologizes To Romney Family After Mocking Mitt Romney's Black Grandchild
MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry offered an apology to the Romney family on Tuesday after a panel on her show mocked the fact that one of Mitt Romney's grandchildren is black.
On Sunday's "Melissa Harris-Perry" show, Harris-Perry led a panel in discussing the "Photos of the Year," which included a Romney family Christmas photo. In the photo, Romney is seen holding his adopted grandchild, Kieran, who is black.
During the segment, guest panelist Pia Glenn sang, "One of these things is not like the others! One of these things just isn't the same," a reference to Kieran. "And that little baby, front and center, would be the one."
For her part, Harris-Perry imagined Kieran Romney and North West, the daughter of Kanye West and Kim Kardashian, marrying in the future.
When The Right Scoop first took note of the panel's comments Monday, it caused an uproar.
Early Tuesday morning, Harris-Perry tweeted an apology. She noted that she comes from a mixed-race family, and that she felt "familiarity" with the photograph.
Along with the usual "conservative" outlets voicing their outrage, CNN decided to attempt to gain viewers by taking a stand.
Lemon slams MSNBC for Romney photo joke CNN host Don Lemon on Monday slammed his MSNBC competitors during a heated debate about the network poking fun at Mitt Romney's black grandson.
Lemon took aim at MSNBC after Melissa Harris-Perry's panel, while showing a Romney family photo with the black grandson, joked that "one of these things is not like the other," and that the photo represented the diversity of the Republican Party.
"It's a bunch of people on the left who all agree with each other, and there's no diversity of opinion," Lemon said of MSNBC. "And they're saying mean, smug things about people who may disagree with them."
Lemon suggested there would be more outrage if a white Fox News panel made similar jokes about the black grandson.
Analyst Marc Lamont Hill said that was a false equivalent, but Republican Ana Navarro agreed with Lemon and said, by now, civil rights activist Jesse Jackson would already be protesting.
Except that Melissa Harris-Perry and her panel are die-hard liberals and MSNBC has had a number of... unfortunate "hater" moments on their network of late. And let's not forget that this segment of the show was about Mitt Romney's adopted grandchild's skin color.
It is a bit strange all the boys are in blue and the girls are in pink except for the woman at the back... does that mean she isn't sure what gender to identify as?
SilverMK2 wrote: It is a bit strange all the boys are in blue and the girls are in pink except for the woman at the back... does that mean she isn't sure what gender to identify as?
Oh! Maybe that's what the panelists where referring to.
Truly it is reassuring that there is nothing we can't congeal down to 'liberal vs conservative'. Certainly such a simplistic, binary mode of thinking couldn't possibly harm discourse on any given subject.
How did I miss this? Been back reading all this...
It's funny that despite their beliefs that they are "elevated and enlightened"... most media leftists are exactly like most other people... fairly crude and obvious in their thought, and frequently (or accidently) "offensive" when they're not watching their words carefully.
Wouldn't you chaulk this up somewhat close to what Todd Atkin did*? *(okay... it's not quite to par but close).
Heh... just read a Politico tweet that MSNBC is not a professional news operation... it's "Animal House for lefties."
"The face of liberal racism in the USA". 3 hours into the first day of the year and we already have the most overwrought trollish headline I suspect we'll see for months, which is most impressive. Can't lie, I laughed.
If you really think that an offhand joke by a television host on an opinion talk show represents the dark underbelly of institutionalized racism in the liberal party in this county, then I need to invest in fainting couches.
It's akin to arguing Megyn Kelly spoke for all conservatives in america when she made those white Santa\Jesus comments.
hotsauceman1 wrote: It looks like, to me, with the video that lady was just baiting someone to make a joke about race.
I don't give her that much credit. It's clear from the comments and laughter that everyone there were projecting their own racism onto Romney. I doubt they even saw their own comments as racist until all the blowback started.
hotsauceman1 wrote: It looks like, to me, with the video that lady was just baiting someone to make a joke about race.
I don't give her that much credit. It's clear from the comments and laughter that everyone there were projecting their own racism onto Romney. I doubt they even saw their own comments as racist until all the blowback started.
Medium of Death wrote: Good on his kids for adopting. Why is this even a story? Like before the comments were made, why were they commenting on this photo anyway?
Because MSNBC has no class?
To expand on that, there is no reason MSNBC would have brought this up, without the intention of mocking it.
Melissa-Harris Perry wrote:Good morning. I'm Melissa Harris-Perry. We have a lot of news and politics to discuss this morning. Before we get to that, I'm going to start with an apology.
Last Sunday, we invited a panel of comedians for a year in review program. It's what we call our look back in laughter. But in one of the segments, we looked at a number of photos that caught our attention over the course of the year. In that segment, I asked my guests to provide kind of off the cuff ideas for captions of the photos that we were seeing. Among the images we aired was one of the Romney family that showed Governor Mitt Romney's grandchildren, including his adopted grandson, who's African-American.
Now given my own family history, I identify with that picture and I intended to say positive and celebratory things about it, but whatever the intent was, the reality is that the segment proceeded in a way that was offensive. And showing the photo in that context, that segment, was poor judgment.
So without reservation or qualification, I apologize to the Romney family. Adults who enter into public life implicitly consent to having less privacy. But their families, and especially their children, should not be treated callously or thoughtlessly. My intention was not malicious, but I broke the ground rule that families are off-limits, and for that I am sorry.
Also, allow me to apologize to other families formed through transracial adoption, because I am deeply sorry that we suggested that interracial families are in any way funny or deserving of ridicule. On this program we are dedicated to advocating for a wide diversity of families. It is one of our core principles, and I am reminded that when we are doing so, it must always be with the utmost respect.
We're generally appreciative of everyone who offered serious criticisms of last Sunday's program, and I am reminded that our fiercest critics can sometimes be our best teachers.
I am always amazed that whenever anyone in America says sorry they have to put something in about one of their relatives or something to show that they can relate (perhaps this is where they get confused on the issue ) personally to those they have done something wrong to.
"My great aunt on my step uncles side had a dog who used to poop on the lawn of someone who looked a bit like the person/people I have annoyed, so I can totally get where they are coming from and actually have annoyed myself because of my deep and intimate connection with the annoyed group - of which I am clearly a member too guys - so it was not really that bad as I am one of you annoying myself!"
SilverMK2 wrote: I am always amazed that whenever anyone in America says sorry they have to put something in about one of their relatives or something to show that they can relate (perhaps this is where they get confused on the issue ) personally to those they have done something wrong to.
It goes with the "I'm not racist, I got a [minority] friend!'
MSNBC is a gakky wasteland, of course it does stuff like this.
Honestly, the only real surprise here is that there was someone watching this in order to be offended by it. "Person is actually watching MSNBC"... now that's a real news story.
Though I am fascinated by the sudden need for Republicans to report on every gakky thing that happens on MSNBC. I mean, it isn't like when gak things happen on FOX News, because people actually watch that and so when people on that station lie it actually has some kind of political relevance. When awful things happen on MSNBC its more like when your estranged uncle who runs a blog says something awful - it isn't really news in and of itself. But of course, this isn't about what's actually news, and more about making a point about MSNBC being equal to FOX News, and therefore excusing the terrible things that are said on FOX.
Jordan Chariton wrote:MSNBC Apologizes for Controversial Tweet About Conservatives and Cheerios
MSNBC’s official Twitter account deleted a tweet last night that suggested conservatives wouldn’t like a new Cheerios commercial featuring an interracial family set to air during the Super Bowl.
“Maybe the rightwing will hate it, but everyone else will go awww: the adorable new #Cheerios ad w/ biracial family,” read the tweet, which linked to an MSNBC.com story on the new ad.
MSNBC Twitter wrote:Earlier, this account tweeted an offensive line about the new Cheerios ad. We deeply regret it. It does not reflect the position of msnbc.
MSNBC Twitter wrote:We are deleting the earlier offensive tweet. It does not reflect msnbc's position and we apologize.
The tweet was playing off the 2013 firestorm created over a similar Cheerios ad with the same interracial family. That ad generated such vile reaction online, the YouTube comments section was closed.
We’ve reached out to MSNBC for comment, but did not immediately get a response.
>Update: RNC Chairman Reince Priebus has sent MSNBC President Phil Griffin a letter informing him he has banned RNC officials from appearing on MSNBC until Griffin personally and publicly apologizes.
Oh, one more thing. Apparently the RNC Chairman is calling for a boycott of MSNBC. The problem facing him is, how do you boycott something that nobody watches anyway?
djones520 wrote: They already apologized, and fired the guy responsible.
It took them less then 24 hours this time. I think the heads are starting to smarten up a bit about this.
And yet when someone writes a book calling all liberals treasonous, they get a regular show on Fox News.
I seriously disagree with the fact that MSNBC apologised for that, and the fact that Fox News et al. like to get all offended at tiny little statements like this is a massive hypocrisy.
djones520 wrote: They already apologized, and fired the guy responsible.
It took them less then 24 hours this time. I think the heads are starting to smarten up a bit about this.
And yet when someone writes a book calling all liberals treasonous, they get a regular show on Fox News.
I seriously disagree with the fact that MSNBC apologised for that, and the fact that Fox News et al. like to get all offended at tiny little statements like this is a massive hypocrisy.
You disagree with MSNBC calling right-wringers racist?
All I see from fox is the usual bombastic boilerplate crap that is politics. The MSNBC staff? Craptastic gak dude.
Fact of that matter is that MSNBC has a pattern of racial, intolerant views that very unbecoming to a supposedly news organization.
Everything from Melissa Harris-Perry making fun of the Romney family in adopting a black child...
to... Martin Bashir saying "that someone should defecate and urinate in Palin's mouth"...
to... the other progressive whackadoos, such as Ed Shultz, Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Matthews, Alec Baldwin, Al Sharpton, and Rachel Maddow... they should be an embarrassment to other progressives in the media.
Oh... and why should the RNC boycott them? Why not just appear on MSNBC and interrogate their ultrapartisan goons about their ridiculous view of the world? Make 'em own it.
Pretending that the two channels are not the exact same thing using the exact same tactics on the opposite end of the political spectrum is pretty indicative of people's own bias.
Kanluwen wrote: Is "boilerplate" the Republican Word of the Week?
its a legal phrase actually, unless you work in the boiler industry in which its...wait for it...plate steel!
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d-usa wrote: Pretending that the two channels are not the exact same thing using the exact same tactics on the opposite end of the political spectrum is pretty indicative of people's own bias.
Please cite actual racist remarks made by paid Feaux News members.
d-usa wrote: Pretending that the two channels are not the exact same thing using the exact same tactics on the opposite end of the political spectrum is pretty indicative of people's own bias.
Pretending that they are the same exact thing is just silly.
d-usa wrote: Pretending that the two channels are not the exact same thing using the exact same tactics on the opposite end of the political spectrum is pretty indicative of people's own bias.
Just out of curiosity, since the only way you can affirmatively make that statement, can you care to point out any FOX host saying similar things as:
A) Melissa Harris-Perry making fun of the fact that the Romneys adopted a black child
and
B) Martin Bashir's statement of defecating/urinating in your ideological opponent's mouth?
*Disclaimer: I don't watch FoxNews, but I'd be will to bet that had someone said that, there would be a massive, epic Please don't bypass the language filter like this. Reds8n
d-usa wrote: Pretending that the two channels are not the exact same thing using the exact same tactics on the opposite end of the political spectrum is pretty indicative of people's own bias.
Just out of curiosity, since the only way you can affirmatively make that statement, can you care to point out any FOX host saying similar things as:
So if I find a random hand-picked list of stupid crap said by people on FoxNews that doesn't have the exact same occurance on MSNBC FoxNews will be automatically worse?
A) Melissa Harris-Perry making fun of the fact that the Romneys adopted a black child
A vast variety of race-related statements come to mind:
Calling Michele Obama the President's "baby mama".
Telling people that Santa Clause and Jesus were white and non-white people just have to deal with that.
FoxNews isn't exactly known for their racial tolerance.
and
B) Martin Bashir's statement of defecating/urinating in your ideological opponent's mouth?
He got fired resigned. MSNBC punished him for the crap he said. Are you angry that MSNBC didn't get their broadcasting license pulled?
*Disclaimer: I don't watch FoxNews, but I'd be will to bet that had someone said that, there would be a massive, epic fallout.
"I don't watch FoxNews, but the conservative blogs I get my information from never complain about FoxNews so they must not be saying anything bad unlike MSNBC."
Ouze wrote: Hey guys, remember when Fox News greatly supported the idea that our first black President was probably not an American citizen?
I am sure there was absolutely, like.... zero racism in that idea.
Why would it have to be racism to suspect that he's not an American citizen? (obviously, he is since his mom is an American. It's the same crap the truthers tried to pull on McCain or Rubio).
Shouldn't it be, we're going to investigate the crap out of him because he's generally our ideological opponent?
Which is what all cables news show does.
Do I wish a news channel to be truly "fair and balanced"... of course. But, frankly that'll never happen because the business model won't allow it
Ouze wrote: Hey guys, remember when Fox News greatly supported the idea that our first black President was probably not an American citizen?
I am sure there was absolutely, like.... zero racism in that idea.
Why would it have to be racism to suspect that he's not an American citizen?
Does it have to be? Nope.
But when they keep on talking about how the black guy candidate is really from black country from black continent Kenya then you can make your own conclusion.
But then again I'm sure you know all about the exact motivations of the channel that you don't even watch.
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Ouze wrote: Hey guys, remember when Fox News greatly supported the idea that our first black President was probably not an American citizen?
I am sure there was absolutely, like.... zero racism in that idea.
Considering there's strong evidence Obama said the same earlier in his career -as evidenced by his book publisher et al- the argument is a little cloudy.
Additionally the same argument was tried against McCain but it was pre-empted by Congress as it was stupid.
Frazzled wrote: Considering there's strong evidence Obama said the same earlier in his career -as evidenced by his book publisher et al- the argument is a little cloudy.
Is it? Is it really a little cloudy, here in 2014? We're still arguing that perhaps he's actually not an American?
Frazzled wrote: Considering there's strong evidence Obama said the same earlier in his career -as evidenced by his book publisher et al- the argument is a little cloudy.
Is it? Is it really a little cloudy, here in 2014? We're still arguing that perhaps he's actually not an American?
Nope its not cloudy now. We know he used it in the past. Big whup. Others questioning him at the time doesn't make them racist, unless to question Obama is racist. EDIT: Personally I don't think that whole thing was racist, but it was looney. It was however stoked by the Obamas to make the teaparty look looney, and it worked wonders.
Again if thats all the poster has, the poster lost.
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Frazzled wrote: Others questioning him at the time doesn't make them racist, unless to question Obama is racist.
Talking about how Obama is trying to destroy the American way of life doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about Obama being a socialist doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about Obama hanging out with known terrorists doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about how Obama is all talk and zero game doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about how the black guy is not from here and really from Kenya...I'm going to put that in the "racially influenced" category of statements...
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Frazzled wrote: Others questioning him at the time doesn't make them racist, unless to question Obama is racist.
Talking about how Obama is trying to destroy the American way of life doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about Obama being a socialist doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about Obama hanging out with known terrorists doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about how Obama is all talk and zero game doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about how the black guy is not from here and really from Kenya...I'm going to put that in the "racially influenced" category of statements...
Then what do you call talking how McCain is not from here he's really from Panama?
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Frazzled wrote: Others questioning him at the time doesn't make them racist, unless to question Obama is racist.
Talking about how Obama is trying to destroy the American way of life doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about Obama being a socialist doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about Obama hanging out with known terrorists doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about how Obama is all talk and zero game doesn't have to mean that the person is racist.
Talking about how the black guy is not from here and really from Kenya...I'm going to put that in the "racially influenced" category of statements...
Then what do you call talking how McCain is not from here he's really from Panama?
A non-issue, because it wasn't nearly as big as the whole Birther thing.
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Frazzled wrote: Others questioning him at the time doesn't make them racist, unless to question Obama is racist.
But Frazz but forward a supposition, not a "rant". If it was ok to question McCain's citizenship then it should follow that his opponent should be open to the same line of questioning
And I, no I am not a birther, for anyone considering taking that avenue of argument.
d-usa wrote: Pretending that the two channels are not the exact same thing using the exact same tactics on the opposite end of the political spectrum is pretty indicative of people's own bias.
Well, if we take Pew at its word, they're not. Fox's opinion/factual reporting split is 55/45, while MSNBC's opinion/factual split 85/15.
You're going to find a lot more politically-motivated bs on MSNBC than you will on Fox. If Pew's to be taken at their word.
Then what do you call talking how McCain is not from here he's really from Panama?
I would say that he was actually born in Panama, so it's not stupid and racist to question if he was born there. I would also say that citizenship laws are also pretty clear on him being born to American parents and on American soil.
We also know that Obama was born in the United States and that one of his parents is American. There is zero evidence of him being born in Kenya, so to suggest that he is not a citizen because he was born there has zero evidence going for it. You are not even questioning the citizenship laws on a possible technicality like you might with McCain, now they are just making crap up.
The two situations are not the same, even T-Bone could see that.
If you think that "hey, we know for a fact that McCain was born on a base in Panama. Does that conflict at all with the 'natural born' requirement of the Constitution? No? OK then..." and "Hey, we have zero evidence that Obama was born in Kenya but we are going to say that he is really African and can't be president" are the same thing then I have a bridge connecting Panama and Kenya to sell you.
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Frazzled wrote: Others questioning him at the time doesn't make them racist, unless to question Obama is racist.
But Frazz but forward a supposition, not a "rant". If it was ok to question McCain's citizenship then it should follow that his opponent should be open to the same line of questioning
And I, no I am not a birther, for anyone considering taking that avenue of argument.
How much evidence do we have that McCain was born in Panama?
How much evidence do we have that Obama was born in Kenya?
And it's not racist to question someones citizenship. It can be racist if you are questioning someones citizenship with zero evidenced to do so.
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Frazzled wrote: Others questioning him at the time doesn't make them racist, unless to question Obama is racist.
But Frazz but forward a supposition, not a "rant". If it was ok to question McCain's citizenship then it should follow that his opponent should be open to the same line of questioning
And I, no I am not a birther, for anyone considering taking that avenue of argument.
How much evidence do we have that McCain was born in Panama?
How much evidence do we have that Obama was born in Kenya?
And it's not racist to question someones citizenship. It can be racist if you are questioning someones citizenship with zero evidenced to do so.
Its more likely xenocist or some such (fear of foreign devils). If it were racist the questioning would have been a lot different.
‘You fething borrowed a black family?’ Rep. Huelskamp’s photo draws out hate
@michellemalkin Have you seen the comments on @CongHuelskamp post accusing him of borrowing a black family for his post?
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C. Irwin (@Bookwormdearlor) January 30, 2014
Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-KS), responding to the #MyRightWingBiracialFamily hashtag that exploded after MSNBC’s hateful tweet about the Right and biracial families, tweeted this wonderful photo of his family:
It’s official–my ‘right-wing’ kids like the ad @MSNBC I think we know who the real bigots are. goo.gl/npIAt1 http://t.co/mi5cGyc1kP— Cong. Tim Huelskamp (@CongHuelskamp) January 30, 2014
[whembly: here's and older pic... can't grab that one above for some reason]
Many of the comments about Huelskamp’s photo were complimentary, but one vile respondent accused him of “borrowing” a black family:
@CongHuelskamp you fething borrowed a black family for a photo op? What a dick!—
Sarah (@ojc1234) January 30, 2014
Though that was the most hateful and idiotic comment, it didn’t stop there:
@CongHuelskamp @msnbc Huelskamp is an ignorant bigot—
John R. (@JrebstockR) January 30, 2014
@CongHuelskamp ur a pathetic person using your children as shields..I put up videos everyday how racist+bigoted your party is+we are attacked—
(@blubarycroc) January 30, 2014
So now you’re bigoted for simply showing a picture of your family? If it contributes to destroying a bogus lib stereotype of the Right, absolutely.
@CongHuelskamp @msnbc Seriously? Why bring your family into this? What are you trying to prove? No reason for this. It wasn't about you.—
Letzy Etienne (@Letzyetienne) January 30, 2014
A tweet from MSNBC claims the Right doesn’t like biracial families, and Rep. Huelskamp (and many others) had to go ruin the lie with pictures. How dare they!
djones520 wrote: They already apologized, and fired the guy responsible.
It took them less then 24 hours this time. I think the heads are starting to smarten up a bit about this.
And yet when someone writes a book calling all liberals treasonous, they get a regular show on Fox News.
I seriously disagree with the fact that MSNBC apologised for that, and the fact that Fox News et al. like to get all offended at tiny little statements like this is a massive hypocrisy.
You disagree with MSNBC calling right-wringers racist?
I disagree with the fact that they apologised for it.
They've done this massive overblown apology, with somone losing their livelihood over a tweet that probably took less than a minute to write, due to an overwhelming outrage at the mere notion that someone from the left might possibly be insulting the right wing, because the fact that a small social media worker for MSNBC made a slightly insulting tweet is unforgiveable, and she should be fired for insulting us because HOW DARE SHE!!
Ann Coulter writes a book, (over the course of months, one would assume) with the basic premise "all Liberals are, and have been for many years, treasonous and unpatriotic towards the US".
There is no backlash.
There are no calls for her to be fired.
There is no written apology from Fox News over the fact that she just called the entirety of the left treasonous.
Absolutely. Nothing. Happens.
Why? Does the right wing somehow have a monopoly on being allowed to insult their idealogical opponents? Do they have some sort of monopoly on being outraged? Because this crap happensfairly often, and it's ridiculous; somehow people like Fox News are allowed to get away with making statements or accusations that, had they been made by someone on the left such as MSNBC, they would be calling for firings or removals from public office.
Goliath wrote: Ann Coulter writes a book, (over the course of months, one would assume) with the basic premise "all Liberals are, and have been for many years, treasonous and unpatriotic towards the US".
There is no backlash.
There are no calls for her to be fired.
Meh, the way Sherman was called "thug" in the aftermath of the NFC Championship might have some racial connotations for some people (I'm sure some people were using it racially), but I think trying to turn thug into purely a racist term is too far.
For example I have a feeling people would, for example use a**, or sh*t****, fethinga-hole, to describe Sherman, but those aren't acceptable on TV, radio, or in print.
I know of plenty of people who called Sherman (and many other football players of all races) thugs because of how they acted on the football field towards other players. I called Sherman a thug well over a year ago, and it had nothing to do with skin color, and had everything to do with the fact that, from the moment the game started, he would:
- push and shove players after the play was over
- talk smack constantly
- then back off and pretend he was an innocent little angel when the receivers would start responding and pushing back
- oh and then there's the whole thing where he was taking adderall, escaped getting suspended because someone mishandled his pee, and yet the whole time he tells everyone who would listen that he was the best corner in the game, ALL WHILE EVERYONE KNEW HE WAS USING ADDERALL.
Sherman IS a dirty player on the field (he sounds like a nice person off the field though). Luckily for him, the man is ridiculously skilled too, so many people turn a blind eye to his antics.
And no one would call Bieber a thug because he's more often called something related to female genetalia and cats. Which in of itself is fairly sexist.
djones520 wrote: They already apologized, and fired the guy responsible.
It took them less then 24 hours this time. I think the heads are starting to smarten up a bit about this.
And yet when someone writes a book calling all liberals treasonous, they get a regular show on Fox News.
I seriously disagree with the fact that MSNBC apologised for that, and the fact that Fox News et al. like to get all offended at tiny little statements like this is a massive hypocrisy.
You disagree with MSNBC calling right-wringers racist?
I disagree with the fact that they apologised for it.
They've done this massive overblown apology, with somone losing their livelihood over a tweet that probably took less than a minute to write, due to an overwhelming outrage at the mere notion that someone from the left might possibly be insulting the right wing, because the fact that a small social media worker for MSNBC made a slightly insulting tweet is unforgiveable, and she should be fired for insulting us because HOW DARE SHE!!
Ann Coulter writes a book, (over the course of months, one would assume) with the basic premise "all Liberals are, and have been for many years, treasonous and unpatriotic towards the US".
There is no backlash.
There are no calls for her to be fired.
There is no written apology from Fox News over the fact that she just called the entirety of the left treasonous.
Absolutely. Nothing. Happens.
Why? Does the right wing somehow have a monopoly on being allowed to insult their idealogical opponents? Do they have some sort of monopoly on being outraged? Because this crap happensfairly often, and it's ridiculous; somehow people like Fox News are allowed to get away with making statements or accusations that, had they been made by someone on the left such as MSNBC, they would be calling for firings or removals from public office.
That is what I'm annoyed with.
So its ok to be racist? Like I said MSNBC is the bar where the lefty reporters hang out and get drunk at.
Goliath wrote: Ann Coulter writes a book, (over the course of months, one would assume) with the basic premise "all Liberals are, and have been for many years, treasonous and unpatriotic towards the US".
There is no backlash.
There are no calls for her to be fired.
You might want to fact check yourself a bit.
Well unfortunately my google search didn't find anything at all critical of her book, and I'm fairly moderate so don't really hang out on overly liberal sites, so didn't see any.
That doesn't change the fact that she still has a job...
Frazzled wrote: So its ok to be racist? Like I said MSNBC is the bar where the lefty reporters hang out and get drunk at.
How is that in any way what I wrote? I'm not saying it's okay to be racist. I'm saying that maybe there should be a bit more backlash when the right does something.
Goliath wrote: Well unfortunately my google search didn't find anything at all critical of her book, and I'm fairly moderate so don't really hang out on overly liberal sites, so didn't see any.
That doesn't change the fact that she still has a job...
She does still have a job, yes. It's not with Fox News, though.
She has, at various times, had her columns dropped, lost sponsors, etc. The claim that she never faces any backlash is hilariously, ludicrously incorrect.
Goliath wrote: Well unfortunately my google search didn't find anything at all critical of her book, and I'm fairly moderate so don't really hang out on overly liberal sites, so didn't see any.
That doesn't change the fact that she still has a job...
She does still have a job, yes. It's not with Fox News, though.
She has, at various times, had her columns dropped, lost sponsors, etc. The claim that she never faces any backlash is hilariously, ludicrously incorrect.
And did Fox News refuse to have her on? Because that's the point I'm making; that places like Fox News call for people on the left to be fired when they make these sorts of comments, but don't criticise people on their own side when they make the same sort of comment.
Goliath wrote: And did Fox News refuse to have her on? Because that's the point I'm making; that places like Fox News call for people on the left to be fired when they make these sorts of comments, but don't criticise people on their own side when they make the same sort of comment.
But you'd argue the MSNBC side of the aisle does? Come on, dude. I hope that, "I'm a moderate!" thing was satire.
And no, Fox likes controversial guests. So does MSNBC. So does CNN. Hell, so does PBS. Ratings are ratings. And when you get them while saying, "Hey, this person doesn't work for us, we're not responsible for what they say," the system works.
Frazzled wrote: So its ok to be racist? Like I said MSNBC is the bar where the lefty reporters hang out and get drunk at.
How is that in any way what I wrote? I'm not saying it's okay to be racist. I'm saying that maybe there should be a bit more backlash when the right does something.
Goliath wrote: And did Fox News refuse to have her on? Because that's the point I'm making; that places like Fox News call for people on the left to be fired when they make these sorts of comments, but don't criticise people on their own side when they make the same sort of comment.
But you'd argue the MSNBC side of the aisle does? Come on, dude. I hope that, "I'm a moderate!" thing was satire.
So MSNBC didn't fire the person that made the tweet? They didn't make a grovelling apology?
Frazzled wrote: So its ok to be racist? Like I said MSNBC is the bar where the lefty reporters hang out and get drunk at.
How is that in any way what I wrote? I'm not saying it's okay to be racist. I'm saying that maybe there should be a bit more backlash when the right does something.
You said they shouldn't apologize.
I said I was annoyed that they apologised but (and this is the important part) Fox News (and others) don't.
Do I think they should have apologised? Yes
Do I think the right wing should have to apologise sometimes? Also yes.
(also I'm not quite sure how that tweet was racist? as far as I'm aware "right wing" isn't a race)
Goliath wrote: And did Fox News refuse to have her on? Because that's the point I'm making; that places like Fox News call for people on the left to be fired when they make these sorts of comments, but don't criticise people on their own side when they make the same sort of comment.
But you'd argue the MSNBC side of the aisle does? Come on, dude. I hope that, "I'm a moderate!" thing was satire.
And no, Fox likes controversial guests. So does MSNBC. So does CNN. Hell, so does PBS. Ratings are ratings. And when you get them while saying, "Hey, this person doesn't work for us, we're not responsible for what they say," the system works.
But when the organization continues to hire people like that? Martin Bashir, Alec Baldwin, this tweet dude, Melissa Harris-Perry, those are people just this year who have been fired (sans Melissa, she grovelled in time to keep her job) over stuff like this. People who were permanent members of the staff.
Sometimes guests are being compared to the faces of the organization. That right there shows how weak this counter-argument to all of this is.
I said that I disagreed with them apologising then went on to explain that it was because fox doesn't.
I think they should have apologised.
I think that if Fox News doesn't have to, or get shouted at until they do then maybe they shouldn't be shouted at so much for not apologising.
I think it was a dick statement. I'm glad they apologised. I am not glad, however, that there is some sort of mandate that they must apologise.
If there was this massive outrage when the right wing did this sort of thing, and there was some sort of obligation that they had to apologise, then yes I would say that MSNBC must apologise.
Goliath wrote: So MSNBC didn't fire the person that made the tweet? They didn't make a grovelling apology?
Ah, I see. So you're not upset that people called on MSNBC to apologize, you're upset they actually did.
You should love a lot of Fox News talent, then. They're called on to apologize and don't all the time.
You'd also like this Ann Coulter chick. People demand her head for stuff she says nearly daily, and she never backs down.
Kinda? I mean, I'm not upset at the fact that they apologised. If the act of the tweet and the apology was taken in complete isolation, I'd be perfectly happy with the apology. It's the fact that there's this sort of obligation for them to apologise, and even when they do they get this sort of thread pop up in the aftermath. meanwhile, like you say, Fox News talent is happily annoying people and refusing to apologise. I'm almost annoyed at them for folding, if that makes sense? I think they should have apologised, but the fact that they didn't just tough it out and go "we stand by what we said", like Fox News does is kind of annoying, purely for showing that if you poke them enough, they'll fold.
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Goliath wrote: If there was this massive outrage when the right wing did this sort of thing
How many times must we tell you that there is, out of curiosity?
Sorry, I've been flitting back and forth between this, making models and Arrow, so I'm missing some points that are being made. My original response was to that specific book, as I couldn't find any about it. If you say there's a lot of criticism towards Fox News (of the kind in this thread) then I'll take your word for it, as I'm not in the habit of trawling left wing forums and such to find outrage.
Well two things stand out overall....Mitt Romney adopted black grandson...Obama insinuated by NBC trials and hardships is comparable to Remsburgs ten deployments and IED injuries...
Third be Fox Female news casters way hotter.
Fourth. My "Give a dammn" button busted on the race card being thrown around and how quickly is escalates out of control
Fifth. Watters on Fox News asking people if they watch the SOTU address and what they think about it during the day and way before the actual speech. I agree with Beckel from "The Five" he should have added more caucasians into the mix. Still though it was funny.
Six. I am voting for Grim just because he's was so willing to crush a reporter
Seventh. Catching up on Grimm.
Eight. Its not the end of the world
Nine. You young people in the US need to sign up on ObamaCare to make it work.
Ten. I'm racist against insurgents
Eleven. Your racist regardless of what you say. Racism covers a whole slew of "gotcha's"
Twelve. Fox Female News Reporters are way hotter....
? People were saying Bush wasn't born in the US? Que?
Nah, but liberals often acted as though Bush was history's greatest monster, and that approach drove the conservative response to Obama. The idea, in both cases, to rally political support for a given cause.
which is independent of party or ideological affiliation.
