So what is the best (or your favourite) weapon in 40k at the moment? I'm looking at direct shot, non-ordnance weapons, so no orbital bombardment or battle cannon, but flamestorm cannon and plasma cannon are ok.

I ask because of my personal favourite... the assault cannon. Back in 3rd edition it was a glorified heavy bolter, three shots, no rending, less range. Now, the extra shot and rending mean it is fantastic at thinning hordes but can also threaten power armour and terminators. Not only that but it can even be effective against armoured vehicles. Without spamming them, assault cannons can be extremely effective in numbers, but they are hampered by their range, but backed up by longer range weapons this isn't so bad.

To me it's the best all round weapon in the game.

Any thoughts?

I can't get enough of the twin-linked punisher cannons on the FW Vulture. Heavy 20 twin-linked makes for some fun times, it's just sort of a pain in the butt to have to ally with Elysians and have the IA books.

Asscannon is pretty good.

I'm going to go Pulse Submunitions cannons on the R'varna. S6AP4 with a 60" range, shooting up to 4 blasts per turn. Did I mention it gets 2 hits against certain targets? and 3 hits against others?

I put 58 attacks from four large blasts into one of my enemy's beast squads once. It was a turn 3 table against an opponent that, before that, I hadn't beaten in a long time.

If your allowing Flame Storms I'm just going to say the Bale flamer simply because its the same stats but has torrent in it. I'd swap out my LRC for LRR in a heartbeat if flamestorms could have the torrent rule.

The weapons listed here are contenders except for the assault cannon, which I find in practice to be a rather poor weapon for the points.

The humble Multi Melta. Salamanders in 5th made them easily the best weapon, and theyre FREE nonetheless. Now with Overwatch i cant tell you how many times ive melted special characters on the charge and saved my squad.

Martel732 wrote:
The weapons listed here are contenders except for the assault cannon, which I find in practice to be a rather poor weapon for the points.

We'll ignore the fact that most of the things that take assault cannons get them either for free or base.

Let's have a think of the main contenders, shall we?

Storm Talons, Storm Ravens, Land Raiders. Do we have any other commonly used tanks that have Assault Cannons on them? I mean, we can talk about land speeders or terminators, but both of those are wasteful to run assault cannons on. IS there any other meaningful unit with any access to assault cannons, that doesn't have them thrust upon them?

You yourself advocate storm talons. How can that be the case if you don't like the forced assault cannon? It's a very pricy caddy if all you're getting is two missiles, a lascannon or a triplet of autocannon shots.

With my very limited experience (only 9 games so far) my favorite weapon that I have used so far is the Frag Cannon on the Furioso Dread. This thing is a nightmare I love it! Rending, template assault 2 seems pretty good to me. However this is a "my favorite" kind of thing and I am not really qualified to say what the best one in the whole game is. I hear a lot about some gun that a Riptide has that like shoots around corners and hits like a brick s***house though...

For my money, it's hard to beat the humble demolition charge, so long as you can get the poor guy carrying it into range!

The Medusa artillery battery with bastion breacher shells. It's crewed by infantry, so can be given orders (Bring It Down!) to twin link it, and with a S10 AP1 small blast, 48" range, 2d6 armour penetration, it's pretty hard to not do some serious damage to enemy armour.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
The weapons listed here are contenders except for the assault cannon, which I find in practice to be a rather poor weapon for the points.

We'll ignore the fact that most of the things that take assault cannons get them either for free or base.

Let's have a think of the main contenders, shall we?

Storm Talons, Storm Ravens, Land Raiders. Do we have any other commonly used tanks that have Assault Cannons on them? I mean, we can talk about land speeders or terminators, but both of those are wasteful to run assault cannons on. IS there any other meaningful unit with any access to assault cannons, that doesn't have them thrust upon them?

You yourself advocate storm talons. How can that be the case if you don't like the forced assault cannon? It's a very pricy caddy if all you're getting is two missiles, a lascannon or a triplet of autocannon shots.

Razorbacks can take them, and I see them there occasionally. The BA Baal Predator can take it or a flamestorm cannon and I've seen both used pretty much evenly. Assault cannons on termis were everywhere in earlier editions, especially before the nerf to rending.

Twin-linked Tesla Destructor. Assault 4, Str 7, 6's add two more hits, has a chance to jump to other units.

Exitus Rifle is my favourite.
I also kind of like hotshot lasguns..

Conceptually - or if you'd rather, visually - I also like psylencers (terminator's, pa's and above all dk's gatling one) [and I'm thinking of using some on basic gk troops, but I digress]

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
The weapons listed here are contenders except for the assault cannon, which I find in practice to be a rather poor weapon for the points.

We'll ignore the fact that most of the things that take assault cannons get them either for free or base.

Let's have a think of the main contenders, shall we?

Storm Talons, Storm Ravens, Land Raiders. Do we have any other commonly used tanks that have Assault Cannons on them? I mean, we can talk about land speeders or terminators, but both of those are wasteful to run assault cannons on. IS there any other meaningful unit with any access to assault cannons, that doesn't have them thrust upon them?

You yourself advocate storm talons. How can that be the case if you don't like the forced assault cannon? It's a very pricy caddy if all you're getting is two missiles, a lascannon or a triplet of autocannon shots.

Razorbacks can take them, and I see them there occasionally. The BA Baal Predator can take it or a flamestorm cannon and I've seen both used pretty much evenly. Assault cannons on termis were everywhere in earlier editions, especially before the nerf to rending.

I know people hate on dreadnoughts, but I like the assault cannon on them. It’s a good TAC wandering around sorta gun. And for the topic of the thread, they are one of my favorite guns.

Also up there is the sternguard special ammo bolters.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
The weapons listed here are contenders except for the assault cannon, which I find in practice to be a rather poor weapon for the points.

We'll ignore the fact that most of the things that take assault cannons get them either for free or base.

Let's have a think of the main contenders, shall we?

Storm Talons, Storm Ravens, Land Raiders. Do we have any other commonly used tanks that have Assault Cannons on them? I mean, we can talk about land speeders or terminators, but both of those are wasteful to run assault cannons on. IS there any other meaningful unit with any access to assault cannons, that doesn't have them thrust upon them?

You yourself advocate storm talons. How can that be the case if you don't like the forced assault cannon? It's a very pricy caddy if all you're getting is two missiles, a lascannon or a triplet of autocannon shots.

If by "advocate" means that I'll use them under duress, then yes I "advocate" them. Both the Stormtalon and Stormraven are significantly inferior to the best fliers in 6th. But not having having AA is a really fast way to get all your expensive bikers barbequed by Helldrakes. 6th edition is literally TAC hell for marines. Also, I'd say the assault cannon is decent on fliers. But only decent, because against Helldrakes, you are still having to roll a "6" to do anything.

The assault cannon really suffers on ground units, imo. With a range of only 24", you have already suffered at least one salvo from something like multilasers or scatterlasers. Having to get within 24" to even begin firing opens up the assault cannon-bearing unit to all kinds of counter fire. And the damage output the way the Imperium fields these things is not that impressive. Single assault cannons here or there might as well not exist. If we had a warwalker equivalent AND if the weapon were fairly priced, they would be good, but as they exist now in cost and mode of deployment, they kinda suck, imo.

I think the scatterlaser is strictly better than than the assault cannon. AP 4 is not even that useful, since marines have few ways to confer ignores cover to an assault cannon unit.



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 Nevelon wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
The weapons listed here are contenders except for the assault cannon, which I find in practice to be a rather poor weapon for the points.

We'll ignore the fact that most of the things that take assault cannons get them either for free or base.

Let's have a think of the main contenders, shall we?

Storm Talons, Storm Ravens, Land Raiders. Do we have any other commonly used tanks that have Assault Cannons on them? I mean, we can talk about land speeders or terminators, but both of those are wasteful to run assault cannons on. IS there any other meaningful unit with any access to assault cannons, that doesn't have them thrust upon them?

You yourself advocate storm talons. How can that be the case if you don't like the forced assault cannon? It's a very pricy caddy if all you're getting is two missiles, a lascannon or a triplet of autocannon shots.

Razorbacks can take them, and I see them there occasionally. The BA Baal Predator can take it or a flamestorm cannon and I've seen both used pretty much evenly. Assault cannons on termis were everywhere in earlier editions, especially before the nerf to rending.

I know people hate on dreadnoughts, but I like the assault cannon on them. It’s a good TAC wandering around sorta gun. And for the topic of the thread, they are one of my favorite guns.

Also up there is the sternguard special ammo bolters.

Sternguard special ammo bolters are way better than assault cannons. The special bolters are definitely way up the chart.

 Spinner wrote:
For my money, it's hard to beat the humble demolition charge, so long as you can get the poor guy carrying it into range!

Marbo laughs at the concept of "carrying it into range," he makes that thing soooo deadly.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Asscannon is pretty good.

So....is that mounted on a donkey or does it fire them?

For me, Shokk attack gun, so much random, its fun (also, tends to get the goat of the local tfg, because of that). If I ever manage to roll box cars on a riptide, it'll make all the other times it killed my own guys (I also hope it with the local tfg's tau, and someone gets a vid of it, cause, it'd be some epic rage quittin)

In reg 40k, ion acc gets a special mention

For apoc my favorite would be the Vengeance Cannon from the emperor titan datasheet.
360" SD AP2 Heavy 4, 7" blast, Primary Weapon, Destroyer

 Jeeves wrote:
[Assault Cannon]
To me it's the best all round weapon in the game.

Then I give you the Psycannon: +1 strength, and it can fire as assault 2 vs. heavy 4 if you want.
However, my personal favorite is the exitus rifle (Vindicare assassin)with turbo-penetrator rounds.

I suppose for just statline potential the Ion Accelerator is pretty dang good.

Then you see the platform it's mounted on and its effectiveness goes down a little (I'm specifically talking about BS3 here, not trying to say the riptide is a bad platform...it's just not good for firing blast weapons)

Then you take into account the support it gets from the rest of the army/the wargear options available to the mounting platform...things go crazy and the needle breaks off the effectiveness meter.

5pt bolter acolytes en mass have to be contenders for anti horde. 180pts for 36 bolter shots above 12" and 72 bolter shots within 12". That's only 30pts more than 2 C:SM razorbacks with assault cannons which will only put out 8 shots, albeit bs4 s6 rending and tl. The assault cannons obviously have the AT capability as well.
TFC also have to be up there with anti troop, especially considering their sniping capabilities.
For AT 10pts is not a bad investment for a relentless, ignores cover, deepstiking multimelta on a LotD squad. Especially if twinlinked with Vulkans ability. Mobile multimeltas in general are brilliant for their points if you are thinking of closing the distance. 10pt upgrade on any landraider that can be fired with PotMS at a different target to the other weapons so synergy is not as much of an issue.
The 2 top weapons imo have to be: runner up - serpent shield, ignores cover, st7, d6 + 1 shots, tl with scatter, and 60" range is insane. The only reason it is not the winner is because it takes down the shield.
The winner however has to be the tesla destructor. 4 tl st7 shots which on average hit more often than the number of shots fired, lose little efficiency when snap firing and very often hurt nearby units to the target. On 90pt hard to kill skimmers (plus more tesla shots underslung), or 100pt flyers. That is german level efficiency for you right there! The only downside is the 24" range. Which tbf isnt much of a downside to crons as 12-24" is their preferred battle range.

When I played Salamanders I had a thing for Multimeltas, one on a single land speeder bouncing about from cover to cover and then destroying a much more expensive tank on side or rear armour was fun.

How do people feel about Eldar heavy weapons? My Flesh Tearers once got wiped out by Ulthwe Eldar star cannon spam at a 1000 point tournament. I wouldn't have minded but the guy was a real jerk about it, kind of put me off Eldar a bit.

Scatter laser uber alles. (For Eldar)

Psycannon, all the awesome of the assault cannon +1S.

The psycannon is significantly better than the assault cannon because it causes double the HP vs AV 12. The range still sucks, so I can't consider it for best weapon.

Railcannon.

Str10 AP1. Say what you will about its platform and its smaller cousins, the Railcannon is a beast.

The lasgun of course! Very point efficient. Its just too bad fielding large swarms of IG is unwieldy, difficult, and annoying.

For the same points you get a weapon with +1s and 1 better ap with inquisition.

The Riptide's Ion Accelerator is the best, followed very closely by the Heldrake's Baleflamer. Their statlines alone are crazy good, and they're also mounted on incredibly powerful, flexible units. These two are definite standouts, IMO.

A lot of the other stuff mentioned in this thread is also pretty excellent (Psycannons, the Hammerhead's Railgun, Eldar stuff in general).

I can't think of any stand-out Space Marine weapons. If you're running Salamanders with Vulkan (like I do), then the multi-melta is probably the best. If you're any other chapter, then... I dunno, maybe bike-mounted Gravguns? The OP mentioned the Assault Cannon; it's good, but not the best.

One of the hellhound variant cannons, they all have so much use it's hard to decide. But probably the chem cannon has given me the best results

ahzek wrote:
One of the hellhound variant cannons, they all have so much use it's hard to decide. But probably the chem cannon has given me the best results

Bane Wolf is my all time favorite tank in the game...and I play Eldar.

I think my enthusiasm for assault cannons comes from the availability on a wide variety of units and the fact that it's a good all round weapon that can threaten any unit, not necessarily destroy outright

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Railcannon.

Str10 AP1. Say what you will about its platform and its smaller cousins, the Railcannon is a beast.

Especially if you add in the submunition (BTW it's railgun, a lot of people seem to say cannon).
The apoc heavy railgun is also quite fun,
110" SD AP1 Ordnance 1, destroyer, primary weapon
and the submution is S7 AP3 Ordnance 1, primary weapon, 10" blast.

I like the high rate of fire from grav cannons and rifles, and I just love the grav amps. I always need help to re-roll to wound rolls.

Other than that: plasma talons from black knights.

Straight up best? its hard to say
for me:
General Duty: Tau HYMP great for pretty much everything + TL close tie with necron tesla

Just wanted to point out that this game has a gun that allows no cover or armor saves,
automatically hits and causes Instant Death on rolls of six.

D-Scythes.

That is all.

That sounds either stupidly expensive in points, a one off weapon, hard to use properly or just plain silly. I like the sound of a vulcan mega bolter but if I were allowed to spam them out I don't think I could bring myself to.

To change up the thread a little, what's your favourite weapon, not necessarily the most powerful? Or least favourite? Personally I can't stand grav weapons. Just made up out of nothing because I suppose space marines need something to wipe out riptides and wraithlords and so forth. Cannot stand them.

But might take a single grav gun just in case.

Just gonna say, my favourite weapon in the game is and always has been since 1997... the meltagun.

It's a gun. That melts things.

You do not need to be any more awesome than that.

The Heavy bolter, love rolling dice.
hot shot lasgun, just for being able to say HAWT SHAWT.

Favourite weapon: Flamestorm cannon. Not anywhere near the top of the list of effectiveness mind..

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Just gonna say, my favourite weapon in the game is and always has been since 1997... the meltagun.

It's a gun. That melts things.

You do not need to be any more awesome than that.

This man gets it!

Meltaguns are the best.

The only thing that gets almost on par with them for me is the aforementioned demo charge and plasma pistols (because nothing says 'back the frak off' like a sidearm that melts through Terminator armor).

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
The apoc heavy railgun is also quite fun,
110" SD AP1 Ordnance 1, destroyer, primary weapon
and the submution is S7 AP3 Ordnance 1, primary weapon, 10" blast.

Don't forget one of the best things about it...it flies!

Anyway, least favorite weapon? I suppose weapon doesn't have to equal gun. My least favorite is the Honor Blade...because it's equipped on Aun`Shi who is always sitting there in my special character section with a giant troll face whispering "come on, spend the points on me. You know you want to kill stuff in close combat with Tau. You can do it... just give me a devilfish and a squad of fire warriors...I can make them Stubborn..."

Well, in terms of actual best weapons that'll easily go to an apoc one, so bleh to that. In terms of my favourite weapons in game, it has to be the punisher cannon. It's not particularly useful for anything other than hordes (and seriously, who needs help killing hordes with IG?), but man is it cool as heck. In terms of weapons that deserve better, I'd have to say the humble flamer. Neither it nor the heavy flamer are ever taken seriously really, as they're so weak and far too much for maybe occasionally hitting an enemy once in a blue moon (barring deep strikers, but even then I don't see them much) but it's just such an awesome weapon. It's pretty ridiculous IMO that most stuff gets saves from a flamer - because, ya know, fire warriors and eldar almost-anythings are definitely mostly fireproof - but I guess that's more the fault of the AP system rather than anything else.

As for least favourite, again barring Str D which should just jump in a hole and disappear, I'm going to go with the Heavy Venom Cannon. It's an anti-tank weapon which is a blast at Str 9. Well, except it's AP4 and can only be bought by MCs. So, you fire a blast which is unlikely to do much to infantry (wounds on 2+, usually get armour save, small blast doesn't really cover more than a model or two at once) or at a tank which may, if you're lucky, chip off one hull point. All this for the cost of a lascannon, which is also overpriced and on only MCs which have an option for 6 Str 6 TL shots for 5 points less. It's the only gun I can think of which has been in the game for 4+ editions which has never once been good.

 rabidguineapig wrote:
I can't get enough of the twin-linked punisher cannons on the FW Vulture. Heavy 20 twin-linked makes for some fun times, it's just sort of a pain in the butt to have to ally with Elysians and have the IA books.

Wait...does it specifically state somewhere that it is exclusive to Elysians? Can't any IG army take Vultures? I've seen a few DKoK armies running with them & they never mentioned allying with Elysians.

Blaster, simply because it has the best name of any gun in the game. You keep your trans-dimension beamers, ion accelerator and plasma annihilators, I want a good old blaster. Nice, simply, available en-mass, cheap, can put a hole through a land raider as easy as a Falcon and instant deaths T4 characters. Add them to a 5 man unit in a double cannon venom and now they can handle ANYTHING for a 125pt unit, not bad son, not bad.

Commissar Benny wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:
I can't get enough of the twin-linked punisher cannons on the FW Vulture. Heavy 20 twin-linked makes for some fun times, it's just sort of a pain in the butt to have to ally with Elysians and have the IA books.

Wait...does it specifically state somewhere that it is exclusive to Elysians? Can't any IG army take Vultures? I've seen a few DKoK armies running with them & they never mentioned allying with Elysians.

Most up to date rules for the Vulture are in IA3SE, where it does not state that they are available to a Codex: Imperial Guard army as any choice, so no - standard Guard and DKoK can't take Vultures.

 Spinner wrote:


This man gets it!

Yesh. I shirtainly do.

The beard is fake, by the way. So is the Connery accent. Please don't call me a man.

I used to like Salamander tactical squads with two flamers or a meltagun/flamer combo. But now... two five man tactical squad stood near each other. And a combi-flamer in each. Good times.

Also I like that assault squads can have two flamers. Seems like a waste on bikes though.


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Oh and I meant 'gun' as well. To keep things seperate, why not start a thread on combat weapons? I'd definitely take a slice of that.


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Combat weapon.

Slice.

Ha.

Love the warbikers dakkaguns. Short ranged, brutal firepower that actually takes skill to use - yeah bro best weapon in the game for sure

If by best you mean strongest then that thing the revenant titan gets is stupidly overpowered. Fun stuff.

 Jeeves wrote:
That sounds either stupidly expensive in points, a one off weapon, hard to use properly or just plain silly. I like the sound of a vulcan mega bolter but if I were allowed to spam them out I don't think I could bring myself to.

Not sure of who was this addressed to. But in case in was for me, I'll give my answer now.
D-Scythes are a 10ppm uprgade for Wraithguard, so not too expensive for a T6 platform, but the whole squad must take it so it gets expensive real quickly.
The obvious drawback is the short range as it's a template weapon

To change up the thread a little, what's your favourite weapon, not necessarily the most powerful? Or least favourite? Personally I can't stand grav weapons. Just made up out of nothing because I suppose space marines need something to wipe out riptides and wraithlords and so forth. Cannot stand them.
But might take a single grav gun just in case.

Now this, I like.
For marines Plasma/Meltaguns are always proper, but my favourite gun just might be Hot-shot Lasgun.

And I don't even play IG.

Grav cannon with grav amp, oh lordy that things good.

Another vote for Hot shot (Hellgun, cheers) here.

DE splinter weapons!

soomemafia yes it was for you, I haven't got the hang of quotations yet. I suppose if it's expensive and short ranged then it's at least balanced

Martel732 wrote:

If by "advocate" means that I'll use them under duress, then yes I "advocate" them. Both the Stormtalon and Stormraven are significantly inferior to the best fliers in 6th. But not having having AA is a really fast way to get all your expensive bikers barbequed by Helldrakes. 6th edition is literally TAC hell for marines. Also, I'd say the assault cannon is decent on fliers. But only decent, because against Helldrakes, you are still having to roll a "6" to do anything.

I'd say the the Talon and Raven are middle-of-the-road Flyers. They aren't Vendettas, Night Scythes or Baledrakes, but by the same token, they aren't Nephilims or Dakkajets either.

As far as dealing with Drakes goes, here's a nifty trick for you: don't take shots at the front or side of it unless you have the TLLC equipped. Instead, manoeuvre to the rear and shoot it up the ass with the asscannon, even if that means missing out on shooting the Skyhammers/Typhoons. I say this because your chances of Exploding it or destroying the Baleflamer are better that way.

To me, it's the Blastmaster. Not necessarily the best in the entire game, but easily the most useful fancy piece of wargear in my army. Wanna kill a blob of 'Gants? Drop the bass. Wanna kill a Tactical Squad? Drop the bass. Wanna take out a wound from that MC? Drop the bass. Wanna shake up that vehicle?

Drop the bass.

Just remembered - haywire staff on a stormtek! Now THAT is my favourite! 25pts for a weapon that can gut almost any vehicle and due to scythes or a veiltek can be dropped almost anywhere. Boo-ya!

The humble pulse rifle is certainly my pick for 'best.'

The flamer is an easy choice for 'favorite.'

Close. Combat. Weapon.

I second the Pulse Rifle selection for favourite. Ion Accelerator for best. It's hard to beat 72" range, S8, AP2, Large Blast on a tough as nails platform that can be there and gone by the time you figure out which way is up again.

I'll cheat now since this is a Ordnance weapon, but I must say the Demolisher Cannon. It has made my humble Vindicator the terror of our local meta. Everything I point it at just dies. Last game it took down three Killa Kans, a Deff Dread, sniped a Big Mek with a Shokk Attack Gun from the ruin he was hiding in and created a 24" bubble of do-not-want for the enemy.

It is so blunt and strong so it's hilarious, a S10 AP2 Large Blast that rolls 2 D6 and chooses the highest against vehicles!

I looove firing it. I can imagine the bommmm it makes as things just fall apart before it.

In comparison, the LR Demolisher just feels... Impure.

BB Shells on a Medusa.

Short of anything Super-Heavy or Apoc, it's the single best anti-anything gun in the game. Tanks, Termies, Fortifications... it all crumbles under a single Bada** B***h Shell.

 Jeeves wrote:
To change up the thread a little, what's your favourite weapon, not necessarily the most powerful?

THE TEETH OF TERRA
A giant F-U relic chainsword which gives you extra attacks and other sweet bonuses. I love this thing on my bike captain, I just drive him solo into tactical squads and cackle while carves up fist-fulls of enemy models.

Scorpion's Claw: it's like a power fist with none of the drawbacks, plus a gun which shoots ninja stars.

Lasgun /thread

Hellgun

Bastion breacher shells are pretty awesome, too

Grav-Cannon w/ Grav Amp, coupled with MW libby, MURDER!!!

And to whoever said Grav weapons came out of nowhere, they're RT old IIRC.

For apoc I have to go with the gauss annihilator. Simple, effective, and can tackle any target with ease

For normal weapons I have to go with the tesla destructor, the potential amount of shots it can produce is just a stupid amount and is extremely reliable due to being twin linked. Also it can be brought en masse on cheap and durable BS4 platforms that also have more to them than just the one big gun (either another little gun or another unit)

 soomemafia wrote:
Just wanted to point out that this game has a gun that allows no cover or armor saves,
automatically hits and causes Instant Death on rolls of six.

D-Scythes.

That is all.

Are we playing this game then?

I raise you plasma guns and fusion blasters in a farsight bomb.

better range, better strength, can instant death most enemies, save for T5+.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:
Just wanted to point out that this game has a gun that allows no cover or armor saves,
automatically hits and causes Instant Death on rolls of six.

D-Scythes.

That is all.

Are we playing this game then?

I raise you plasma guns and fusion blasters in a farsight bomb.

better range, better strength, can instant death most enemies, save for T5+.

If its really the "well mine is bigger game" then I wager the emperor titan cannon thats a 4 shot 7" blast of D, ignore all damage mitigation of any kind, and will sure as hell kill its intended target (bar other titans)

Str 9 AP 2 Large Blast at 72" with Ignores Cover. Belongs to Tau ofc.

But my favorite has to be the Decimators Heavy Conversion Beamer. str 10 ap 1 up to 72" and very flexible. Hilarious when you Grimoire it and troll the battlefield with walking Bunring Fists of death. Punching transports and buildings while scortching the poor buggers inside.

The beard is fake, by the way. So is the Connery accent. Please don't call me a man.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:
Just wanted to point out that this game has a gun that allows no cover or armor saves,
automatically hits and causes Instant Death on rolls of six.

D-Scythes.

That is all.

Are we playing this game then?

I raise you plasma guns and fusion blasters in a farsight bomb.

better range, better strength, can instant death most enemies, save for T5+.

You have to roll to hit and I can get sweet cover save against it.

In a Farsight bomb? He'll be twin-linked and will ignore your cover save too.

I really like the tyranid gun S8 assault 2 that ignores cover and does not need land if sight. If other units could take that gun this would be very good.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:


In comparison, the LR Demolisher just feels... Impure.

No hankering for a LR Aries, then?

Serpent Shield comes to mind. That range and ignore cover? Str 7 comes in handy in a lot of situations as well. And you're going to take scatter lasers meaning you most likely have a twin-linked serpent shield anyways.

And did I mention if you ever decide not to fire it, it will save your wave serpent from a bright and expensive explosion?

 Bobthehero wrote:
In a Farsight bomb? He'll be twin-linked and will ignore your cover save too.

Oh, I'm sorry. I tough we were discussing about best weapons, instead of units using them.
I must have read the thread title wrong.

Read the post right, whoever mentionned fusion blaster said ''In a Farsight bomb''

 Bobthehero wrote:
Read the post right, whoever mentionned fusion blaster said ''In a Farsight bomb''

That being said, the fusion blaster is a pretty good weapon. It's an imperial fusion gun with an extra 6" range.

Might as well go with the multi-melta at that point top the Fusion Blaster by another 6''

Or even the Melta cannon, which is a blast on top of everything else.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Might as well go with the multi-melta at that point top the Fusion Blaster by another 6''

Or even the Melta cannon, which is a blast on top of everything else.

Fusion cannon then: 24" S8 AP1 Heavy1, blast, melta. And a hammerhead can mount two (two, not TL) of those on it's turret.

Speaking of FW 40k legal tau stuff, I love the XV9 weapons,
Phased ion gun: 18" S4 AP4 Assault4, rending
Fusion cascade: 12" S6 AP1 Assault d3, melta
Pulse submintions rifle: 24" S5 AP6 Assault1, Large blast, Ignores cover

Fusion cannon is a Melta cannon, silly Xeno.

Granted, can't have two of e'm on a vehicle, but you can squadron said vehicle.

My favorite regular sized weapon system is the Leman Russ Executuioner Plasma Cannon. Nothing like a 3 shot Plasma Cannon without the Gets Hot! rule. Its good for everything but AV 14 and Flyers.

Shokk attack gun.
It either makes you laugh your ass off or tears your opponent a new one

 Skarnir wrote:
Shokk attack gun.
It either makes you laugh your ass off or tears your opponent a new one

LOVE this weapon.


Surprised no one has mentioned the Deathstrike Missile. Unlimited range (maybe?), possible 10" blast, no saves, ignores EW. REMOVE YOUR gak FROM PLAY.

It's a crap delivery system, but if it was any better it'd be stupid broken.

For melee? Force sword. I absolutely love it to bits. Incredibly hilarious when one unsaved wound can bring down even commissionaire Yarrik...

 Dannyrulx wrote:
For melee? Force sword. I absolutely love it to bits. Incredibly hilarious when one unsaved wound can bring down even commissionaire Yarrik...

For a brief time, anyway, until he tells himself to stop being such a pussy and gets back up to tear your arms off, attach one to himself and kill you with his laser eyes.

SYKOJAK wrote:
My favorite regular sized weapon system is the Leman Russ Executuioner Plasma Cannon. Nothing like a 3 shot Plasma Cannon without the Gets Hot! rule. Its good for everything but AV 14 and Flyers.

+1. Very likely to remove a non-horde) squad a turn. It does look an awful lot like a chode though lol

BaalSNAFU wrote:

SYKOJAK wrote:
My favorite regular sized weapon system is the Leman Russ Executuioner Plasma Cannon. Nothing like a 3 shot Plasma Cannon without the Gets Hot! rule. Its good for everything but AV 14 and Flyers.

+1. Very likely to remove a non-horde) squad a turn. It does look an awful lot like a chode though lol

That thing is fun.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Dannyrulx wrote:
For melee? Force sword. I absolutely love it to bits. Incredibly hilarious when one unsaved wound can bring down even commissionaire Yarrik...

For a brief time, anyway, until he tells himself to stop being such a pussy and gets back up to tear your arms off, attach one to himself and kill you with his laser eyes.

Or it would, if Yarrick didn't have the "Manlier Than Other Men Because He Uses Old Spice" rule, occasionally known as "Eternal Warrior".

Admit it, my name's better

There are just so many great weapons, I cant decide! Part of the trouble is also having to consider the carrier of the weapon. There are plenty of great weapons, but they are wielded by such point inefficient models it makes them useless, or some guns that are extremely good because of their carrier. For example, twin linked lascannons on a Valkyrie surpass many weapons in the game, but twin linked lascannons on a land raider... not so much.

Overall though, I think I will have to go with the melta. It can destroy tanks, double out T4, and if you like you can assault or lay down rapid fire goodness. If your plan is to rush the enemy position then the range is not much of a drawback.

Beasthunter shells on a vanquisher. Instant death blast is nice.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

Or it would, if Yarrick didn't have the "Manlier Than Other Men Because He Uses Old Spice" rule, occasionally known as "Eternal Warrior".

Admit it, my name's better

~Nah... Eternal Warrior should just be renamed "Hard as Yarrick".