[size=12]From a friend of mine who works at GWhq I have heard a troubling rumour about a new supplement coming out over the summer.
Apparently it's going to be a book of rules where you can play 40k armies against fantasy ones. From what I've heard the way it works is that all 40k weapons ignore fantasy armies armour where as 40k has no defence against magic. It sounds really cool I think it said it's called something like warp storm so I'm guessing it's something to do with the warp mixing the 2 words together.
Sounds like a pretty stupid supplement considering there are no ways in fantasy that would even be dangerous to a single space marine really. Conquering entire primitive worlds takes a day or so.
It's not an entirely unreasonable idea... GW did something similar with Warhammer Siege, which had rules for fortresses for both games, and rules for fighting on 'primitive' worlds.
Skullvane_pants wrote: My source is a good friend of mine at head office, he's been spot on about everything so far
Such as...?
Do tell!
Haha...yes, please tell us all the past releases that your mysterious source has been correct about mysterious new person, that will PROVE his reliability.
I heard this too! there was someone who I knew who used to work with the company and they said something very similar... it sounded like it could work after hearing a couple of the rules? it was to do with summoning monsters in 40k?
Back in 2nd edition Chaos Space Marines could take detachments of Warriors of Chaos, and the Imperial Guard had beastmen. It's not as crazy as it seems.
However, it's going to need more than "40k weapons ignore armour, Fantasy armies have magic" to make both systems compatible.
Kirasu wrote: Sounds like a pretty stupid supplement considering there are no ways in fantasy that would even be dangerous to a single space marine really. Conquering entire primitive worlds takes a day or so.
Well back in the long day you could actually have wars between the two back when the systems were together, the day when Fantasy was just another world in 40k.
And they gave nods to it too in one of the events, where the items were obviously stuff from 40k renamed by the primitive users.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Back in 2nd edition Chaos Space Marines could take detachments of Warriors of Chaos, and the Imperial Guard had beastmen. It's not as crazy as it seems.
However, it's going to need more than "40k weapons ignore armour, Fantasy armies have magic" to make both systems compatible.
Indeed. A lasgun being able to break through Chaos Armor? I know that lasguns supposedly have the stopping power of a .50, but Chaos Armor is all magical and nonsense.
Kirasu wrote: Sounds like a pretty stupid supplement considering there are no ways in fantasy that would even be dangerous to a single space marine really. Conquering entire primitive worlds takes a day or so.
Well back in the long day you could actually have wars between the two back when the systems were together, the day when Fantasy was just another world in 40k.
And they gave nods to it too in one of the events, where the items were obviously stuff from 40k renamed by the primitive users.
Ah yes, lizardmen had a few things like that.
The piranha blade, iirc was something like a chainsword, and the scepter of the lost sun had effects not too dissimilar from the staff of light.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Back in 2nd edition Chaos Space Marines could take detachments of Warriors of Chaos, and the Imperial Guard had beastmen. It's not as crazy as it seems.
Beastmen make sense within the 40K Lore as countless varieties of mutants exist.
insaniak wrote: It's not an entirely unreasonable idea... GW did something similar with Warhammer Siege, which had rules for fortresses for both games, and rules for fighting on 'primitive' worlds.
But erm..wasn't this during the Rogue Trader days?
AlexHolker wrote: It's a stupid idea, but it's a GWian sort of stupid.
Problem: 40k sells, Fantasy doesn't.
Solution: Fantasy is now a 40k army!
And an Exalt for you.
This will probably be digital only too. The warp storm that 's been keeping the Warhammer world hidden from the Imperium has subsided and now Imperial forces are coming to bring it into compliance...
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Back in 2nd edition Chaos Space Marines could take detachments of Warriors of Chaos, and the Imperial Guard had beastmen. It's not as crazy as it seems.
However, it's going to need more than "40k weapons ignore armour, Fantasy armies have magic" to make both systems compatible.
Indeed. A lasgun being able to break through Chaos Armor? I know that lasguns supposedly have the stopping power of a .50, but Chaos Armor is all magical and nonsense.
Yay, magic or not, even handcrafted sets of armor should offer some protection. Not to mention Dwarves seem to be better armored than, say, orks
But it doesn't stop there. Fantasy armies have punishing restrictions to movement, whereas 40k armies are far more mobile. They'll simply manoeuver around them shooting their formations down like fish in a barrel.
Well, it used to be possible, back in the days of RT & 3rd Ed WFB. Back when the systems were much closer aligned, rules wise, and you had the big daddy chaos books that spanned all three systems (including WFRP) with the ability for fantasy chaos warriors to end up with all sorts of 40k tech through random d1000 reward tables.
These days, the systems just aren't close enough together for a proper cross over.
However, if the supposed 7th ed is a full rewrite rather than just sticking escalation into the main rules, then it could be possible that they'd bring back the movement stat, and go back to the old way of doing shooting and saves. If that happened, then they could put out a crossover book without too many issues.
But changing the 40k mechanics that much isn't something I could see happening at this point in time. Maybe with 8th edition, once they've put out all the books in the current format and want a clean slate.
Skullvane_pants wrote: [size=12]From a friend of mine who works at GWhq I have heard a troubling rumour about a new supplement coming out over the summer.
Apparently it's going to be a book of rules where you can play 40k armies against fantasy ones. From what I've heard the way it works is that all 40k weapons ignore fantasy armies armour where as 40k has no defence against magic. It sounds really cool I think it said it's called something like warp storm so I'm guessing it's something to do with the warp mixing the 2 words together.
Skullvane_pants wrote: He told me about the imperial knight 6 months ago, when all the rumour sights were saying it was imperial guard
Why didn't you share?
Six months ago people were nervously eyeing Centurions and - oh those innocent days - blithely ignorant of things like Escalation, Dataslates, etc..,, much less anything in the new year.
You'd have had your chance to become a rumour god for the ages, right out of the gates.
I almost figure all these people who have friends at GWHQ probably do here these things- since they're the ones probably making it all up for a laugh or two.
It just feels at times like GW is deliberately trolling their target audience.
And why not? It just adds to the fun and madness of the internet!
Then again, back in the olden days we used to do this anyways. Why would I need to buy a supplement to do
I wonder if this is the same source that saw truckloads of metal figures being shipped out of GWHQ to be melted down? 'Cos we can't buy metal figs any more...oh wait...
"my 200 spearmen change your squad of tau firewarriors, nope, forget it they were all gunned down after the first two steps"
Yep, makes sense.
1 spearman would die for every 3 firewarriors firing (and I'm being generous). the rules really aren't all that different given that they are both based of the same source so technically its possible.
I very much doubt that this is in anyway true though.
Bolt gun bandito wrote: In not a clone I'm normally using BoLS and personal forums with friends
But I might just have to base a few marines on square bases just in case
Sure... And the fact that you posted just to support this thread and have the same poor grammar/spelling as the original poster have nothing to do with our assumptions...
It would be hilarious if this was someone from GW trying to make up a fake rumor to try to get everyone riled up and off the trail of other rumors, considering how butthurt they got over the Knight leak a few weeks ago.
Malika2 wrote: But erm..wasn't this during the Rogue Trader days?
Yes, and?
Given GW's current plundering of Rogue Trader and 2nd edition ideas for anything that might make them a few dollars more, that just makes it even more believable...
There have been several stores here in the US which have been doing "40k v. Fantasy" games, but they're not events that are being spawned from the GWHQ. It's from the managers talking amongst themselves and thinking "Hey this might be a way that we can get the people who play one system interested in another".
Well, it does sound like the kind of idiocy their logic tends to follow - People might have WHFB armies that they can't use in games of 40k, and vice versa. Since their approach seems to be whatever you have in your collection you should be able to use...
GW does some crazy things like renaming Imperial Guard to something noone can remember ("Hey IG still sells. Suggestions?").
But three Brits joining today to confirm the same nonsense ... there are limits.
VorpalBunny74 wrote: The scale differences will be explained by the 40k figures being magically made large via a new Chaos Sorceress special character:
That's a little silly. Clearly the Epic units would just represent units that are further away...
Introducing a new DE supplment to Warhammer 40k, Warhammer fantasy.
Finding it hard to break into Warhammer Fantasy after spending so long playing 40k, this new supplement is for you! You can now field your Warhammer Fantasy army along side you Warhammer 40k army.
Ever wanted to field your Chaos Daemons army with your Chaos Daemons army, well now you can!
Madcat87 wrote: Ever wanted to field your Chaos Daemons army with your Chaos Daemons army, well now you can!
Better yet: Orks vs. Orcs.
or Daemons vs Daemons.... wait a minute
Automatically Appended Next Post: I will say that chaos warrior as feral cultists is something I already do, so whatever if this happens.... which it won't.
Hm, if you could pit fantasy against 40k, fantasy sales would probably go down hard instead of spawning new buyers. Throw in a lord of war unit and the fantasy is out.
Throw in a flyer and fantasy is out.
There is simply no competition.
If anything, its gws way of "fixing" dreadnoughts -they would be great in this setting.
This could work.
We just need to add a bit of fluff...
The Fantasy worlds are so magical, existing in a slightly higher plane of reality, that our perception of physics is slightly alters. Those weedy little elves? They can bench 400 pounds. An Ogryn would stuggle to lift the weight of a suit of plate armour, such is the magical imbuement.
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When I was younger and more a part of GW's target audience, we did try a few games of 40k vs Fantasy. It can actually be quite suprising, depending on how you resolve Fantasy attack vs 40k armour and vice-versa. If you play it as fantasy strength modifies 40k saves, but 40k only beats fantasy saves with AP, then it can be quite brutal. Eg a unit of Chaos Knights of Khorne, relatively cheap compared to any 40k equivalent, in combat 2nd turn dealing 3-4 S5-6 attacks each, reducing Sv3 to Sv6, and having a 2+ armour save for themselves....
Thats pretty much what a fantasy armour would play like. An entire army of assault terminators which can move 16" per turn, for 20pts or less each.
Trasvi wrote: When I was younger and more a part of GW's target audience, we did try a few games of 40k vs Fantasy. It can actually be quite suprising, depending on how you resolve Fantasy attack vs 40k armour and vice-versa. If you play it as fantasy strength modifies 40k saves, but 40k only beats fantasy saves with AP, then it can be quite brutal. Eg a unit of Chaos Knights of Khorne, relatively cheap compared to any 40k equivalent, in combat 2nd turn dealing 3-4 S5-6 attacks each, reducing Sv3 to Sv6, and having a 2+ armour save for themselves....
Thats pretty much what a fantasy armour would play like. An entire army of assault terminators which can move 16" per turn, for 20pts or less each.
It worked better during 2nd edition 40K, when the two games were more or less identical. About the only change that was needed was to just treat 40K units as skirmishers.
Kosake wrote: The idea is too stupid, even by GW standards.
Not at all. It makes perfect sense in a GW manner; it's a bizarre way in which to try and boost Fantasy sales.
We considered the idea a few times as kids, and would probably have played it if we could figure out the weapons/armour differences, we've also got Fantasy and 40K armies.
I could see it being a fairly restricted mini-game where you pit a squad of guards against a tribe of Lizardmen. You'd need to ban things from 40K with 2/3+ armour, and allow the Fantasy stuff free movement.
It's really the sort of thing that'd have been on White Dwarf of old, but in a £30 e-book. I'd totally play it (if it was in WD).
I have played very several enjoyable 40k/?fantasy scenarios with mostly 40k rules (especially with movement) - but it did include King Kong (a manifested Warp entity) versus a Stompa
If it was Fantasy army lists for 40k I would be very interested as I have large armies for WFB but don't really like the rules.
Ye, this would be a very very strange thing for GW to do. I COULD however see it as some WD only rules, but now way would this be a proper supplement.
If we assume that the OP is not trolling, I would guess this could possibly have come from the rumor we had a while back that the new WHFB edition is going to be much closer to 40k. Perhaps someone has got the wrong end of the stick, or there will be a bit in WD with crossover rules one of the weeks around the release date?
VorpalBunny74 wrote: The scale differences will be explained by the 40k figures being magically made large via a new Chaos Sorceress special character:
That's a little silly. Clearly the Epic units would just represent units that are further away...
Now, I imagine a generic fantasy army. Do try and tell me that not every single one of the lot would crap their pants when the first imperial Knight arrives. Giants are one thing. Giants with metal armour, a screeching living sword the size of a house and a flamethrower that can incinerate two regiments at a time is something entirely different.
Fantasy units have to be closely packed if I am not mistaken. Anything that can spam even small templates will be utterly devastating.
That would literraly be a disaster. Probably not going to happen fortunately, since the source is dubious at best. Still, I'm a bit scared, since the rumour for the "Ogryn arrived early " rumours as even more dubious. yet was point on.
Well they always said Sigmar was a lost primarch, maybe nagash is as well and we will finally see space marine legions number 2 and 11. Nagash and the legion of the damned and Sigmar leading the howling griffons.
Skullvane_pants wrote: [size=12]From a friend of mine who works at GWhq I have heard a troubling rumour about a new supplement coming out over the summer.
Apparently it's going to be a book of rules where you can play 40k armies against fantasy ones. From what I've heard the way it works is that all 40k weapons ignore fantasy armies armour where as 40k has no defence against magic. It sounds really cool I think it said it's called something like warp storm so I'm guessing it's something to do with the warp mixing the 2 words together.
That makes sense, right? Since those things are evenly aligned. After all, every guardsman has a lasgun and every grot a blasta, while on the fantasy side, each and every dwarf and goblin is armed with a magical weapon! Oh! You mean they aren't?
Dakka is far too polite to some types of people. On a completely unrelated note. I wonder if the vomit spewed by these models would count as magic?
Skullvane_pants wrote: [size=12]From a friend of mine who works at GWhq I have heard a troubling rumour about a new supplement coming out over the summer.
Apparently it's going to be a book of rules where you can play 40k armies against fantasy ones. From what I've heard the way it works is that all 40k weapons ignore fantasy armies armour where as 40k has no defence against magic. It sounds really cool I think it said it's called something like warp storm so I'm guessing it's something to do with the warp mixing the 2 words together.
That makes sense, right? Since those things are evenly aligned. After all, every guardsman has a lasgun and every grot a blasta, while on the fantasy side, each and every dwarf and goblin is armed with a magical weapon! Oh! You mean they aren't?
Dakka is far too polite to some types of people. On a completely unrelated note. I wonder if the vomit spewed by these models would count as magic?
But you could forge the narrative. Jervis will tell us how to play if and when this supplement appears!
It's be another tip-of-the-hat to RT and the old ways:
"The first version of Realm of Chaos is a two-volume publication by Games Workshop concerning the forces of Chaos. The hardback books contain background material and rules for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (1st edition), Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader and Warhammer Fantasy Battle (3rd edition)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realm_of_Chaos_%28Warhammer%29
I remember Boltguns and power armour being on the gifts chart, for use in Fantasy.
But, that was when both 40k and WHFB had very similar stat-lines.
After the old WHFB Albion campaign, High Elves did get a power sword (ignored armor) and Dark Elves got a Power Claw (ignored armor, always struck last) as spoils
Personally I think this would be awesome. Not as a consistent change to the way the game is played (surprise! Any army can take units of skaven now) that shows up in tournaments, but a small supplement that proposes an interesting way to spend an afternoon or two.
One of my groups plays with the Death World mission rules all the time-- these rules are never played in tournaments are other "serious" games, but they HAVE created hilarious results for some of our casual games. I'm glad these rules were created. I would be glad to see a fantasy vs. 40k supplement because I think it would be hilarious to tank shock a rhino into a few ranks of high elves.
Theophony wrote: Well they always said Sigmar was a lost primarch, maybe nagash is as well and we will finally see space marine legions number 2 and 11. Nagash and the legion of the damned and Sigmar leading the howling griffons.
Theophony wrote: Well they always said Sigmar was a lost primarch, maybe nagash is as well and we will finally see space marine legions number 2 and 11. Nagash and the legion of the damned and Sigmar leading the howling griffons.
No they didn't.
and both those Chapters were never Legions.
Agreed
For starters- Howling Griffons are Ultramarines successors and Rowboat Girlyman is effectively their Primarch. Nagash is evil and Legion of the Damned are more than likely to be Fire Hawks chapter who again have Girlyman as their Primarch.
Theophony wrote: Well they always said Sigmar was a lost primarch, maybe nagash is as well and we will finally see space marine legions number 2 and 11. Nagash and the legion of the damned and Sigmar leading the howling griffons.
No they didn't.
and both those Chapters were never Legions.
Agreed
For starters- Howling Griffons are Ultramarines successors and Rowboat Girlyman is effectively their Primarch. Nagash is evil and Legion of the Damned are more than likely to be Fire Hawks chapter who again have Girlyman as their Primarch.
True, but there are 2 lost primary's so it is possible sigmas could be one.. His story of rising to power amongst the human of the whfb world would not be all that dissimilar from say Leman Russ on fenris. I agree that it sounds far fetched but from a business standpoint I could definitely see it happening. After all, look at Warmachine and Hordes. I would not be surprised if GW decided to at least create a link between the games to create more crossover business. Plus. Let's you get into the game without having to sink money into a new army, something you will probably end up doing anyway if you like. I doubt it will happen but if it did I don't think I would mind it as long as the rules weren't ridiculous.
Besides haven't they been trying to get the two rules sets to be more similar? I've been out of fantasy warhammer for years, but the little I heard were the rules were getting more like 40k. I could totally be off on this, but what if they make the rules work for both systems. Sure your not going to have marines phalanx up, but that's why there's skirmishing troops rules. This way GW can just have one rulebook to rule them all. It's far fetched, but so is this concept of fantasy and 40k blended on the table.
As for my aside on the two primarchs I just threw two chapters out there. Legion of the damned just felt right for nagash, and I really have no idea who would fit in with sigmar.
They could balance the game more by giving more points to the fantasy side. Easy to say that he 40k army is just the outriders that hav landed on he backwater world an have run into a formidable opponent.
They can just put a 2nd army lists in each codex/armybook. One for 40k and one for fantasy. Since they're adding in these new options they can even justify increasing the cost of each book to $75!
They'll add a fantasy detachment slot to go with your primary, secondary, ally, lord of war, fortification, Inquisition, legion of the damned, and knight detachments. If this rumor is true, I'll be a little disappointed.
Brother SRM wrote: I've been playing this game for 8 years and this is by far the silliest rumor I've ever heard in that time.
And yet once upon a time you could have Fantasy chaos gifts of 40K boltguns and and like, because there was crossover between the games. But this rumour today sounds utterly ridiculous as GW have spent years trying to make clear the Fantasy and 40K universes are entirely separate entities.
Theophony wrote: Well they always said Sigmar was a lost primarch, maybe nagash is as well and we will finally see space marine legions number 2 and 11. Nagash and the legion of the damned and Sigmar leading the howling griffons.
No they didn't.
and both those Chapters were never Legions.
Agreed on the Legions, however, for years it was the case that Sigmar was definitely not a Primarch (wink, wink) and remained so until around 3rd Ed 40KIIRC, and they began to distance themselves from it as they tried to separate the two systems and backgrounds.
It seems even the OP has taken to making a joke of this thread with additional accounts. I'm guessing this is a 12-year-old who is snickering that he got ol'Dakkadakka.
